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Episode 443 - You Oughta Know About AI, Cyber Creeps & Wyze Eyes · TechtalkRadio

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  Speaker 1: The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: this is Adrian Barbo.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to tech Talk Radio and you're gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Learn a lot. Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Andy Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sean to weird and a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Happened this week. We talked a little bit about it
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  Speaker 1: last week for Apple and our Apple users. If you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to the show wondering what happened this week, what
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  Speaker 1: is the big takeaway from it? Uh, Sean, you have
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  Speaker 1: an Apple.
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  Speaker 3: Device thirteen pro, so you're able to put.
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  Speaker 1: This on there. So Apple had their big Worldwide Developers
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  Speaker 1: Conference and they this is where they talk not so
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  Speaker 1: much about hardware, but it's about the software, the operating systems,
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  Speaker 1: everything that's a part of it. And they've kind of
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  Speaker 1: gotten away from their iOS fifteen sixteen seventeen. They just
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  Speaker 1: jumped it all the way to to iOS twenty six right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think Apple hates the number nine at
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  Speaker 4: round ten, right. I just think those have been not
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  Speaker 4: good really necessarily good releases for that, like you're trying
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  Speaker 4: to avoid calling it iOS X, right, So I think
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  Speaker 4: just getting back to a you know, staying with gear
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  Speaker 4: makes it a little more simple.
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  Speaker 3: iOS twenty six, iOS twenty six.
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  Speaker 4: Basically updating all the iOS is so iPad OS twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: mac OS twenty six, which is going to be called
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  Speaker 4: mac OS twenty six, Tahoe, a lot of blue branding,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of blue color Lake branding, Watch OS twenty six, tvOS,
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  Speaker 4: and the Vision OS twenty six. Right, so just updating
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  Speaker 4: all of the OS is to streamline it across all
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  Speaker 4: the platforms, to get everything SYNCD across all your platforms.
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  Speaker 3: They started with AI.
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  Speaker 4: They started the keynote with Apple AI and said, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we're really not doing anything with it right now. Next Wow,
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  Speaker 4: whatever their new chip is for Apple Intelligence will allow
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  Speaker 4: it to do more on device processing of cloud. Right
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  Speaker 4: so the the it won't send it to the cloud.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like a lot more encryption and a lot
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  Speaker 4: more privacy focused. What I took away from this and
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  Speaker 4: as they went through the keynote, they're integrating chat GPT
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  Speaker 4: into a ton of this. Really yeah, Chat GPT is
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  Speaker 4: integrated into the OS in certain applications, in certain in
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  Speaker 4: certain places. Something that also caught me a little bit
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  Speaker 4: by surprise is how open they are making this with
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  Speaker 4: the APIs and the ability for developers to utilize the
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  Speaker 4: AI functionality.
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  Speaker 3: They're really opening it up.
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  Speaker 4: App was not necessarily known for doing, is opening up
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  Speaker 4: their platform for third party developers.
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  Speaker 3: To take to take advantage of that. So that was
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  Speaker 3: just something interesting.
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  Speaker 4: The other key takeaway was there was a big design
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  Speaker 4: change in terms of like they're calling it liquid glass.
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  Speaker 4: It's design elements fluid glass, like very shiny rounded corners.
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  Speaker 4: As you shift your device basically back and forth, it
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  Speaker 4: reflects the surface, so you can see the light reflecting
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  Speaker 4: differently off the app icons and stuff. So redesigned apps,
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  Speaker 4: updates to the camera app, Safari, the phone app specifically,
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  Speaker 4: some organizational changes, some changes on how you where you
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  Speaker 4: search from, battery management changes. What I thought was interesting
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  Speaker 4: is that iPhone eleven and later all the way back
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  Speaker 4: to iPhone eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, we'll we'll get support for iOS twenty six. It's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I downloaded the Developer beta right after the keynote, and
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting. The buttons are now round instead of square.
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  Speaker 4: In some places, the search bar is predominantly always on
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  Speaker 4: the screen at the bottom, which is weird for some places,
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  Speaker 4: like when I'm in the messaging app, always at the
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  Speaker 4: bottom now instead of being swiping.
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  Speaker 3: Down from the top to get to it.
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  Speaker 4: It's just some uy changes that really impact like how
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  Speaker 4: you use it.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a lot of people Sean talked about liquid
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  Speaker 1: glass and some compared it to my Windows Vista with
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  Speaker 1: that look. And you've had a chance with the developer
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  Speaker 1: model to take a look at it. I haven't had
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  Speaker 1: a chance to do anything with that yet. Did you
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  Speaker 1: get that feeling that it kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of well, so you remember right with the Windows Vista,
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  Speaker 4: they went to the circle icon, they went to the
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  Speaker 4: circle start menu, they went to they rounded a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the corners of things.
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  Speaker 3: They made it all.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say there's direct ties, there's definitely an influence.
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  Speaker 4: The toggle buttons are different shapes, menus open up differently.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a shocking change for some people.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people have talked about the fact that
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  Speaker 1: and I have experienced some of this, not as much
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  Speaker 1: as say maybe Justin has. When it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: camera system that is on like the pixel which I
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  Speaker 1: use currently, that the Apple needed to step up its
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  Speaker 1: game to compete with what Google was doing. Although I've
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  Speaker 1: always thought the camera system on the Apple the you know,
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  Speaker 1: iPhones and the iPads were phenomenal. I thought that they
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  Speaker 1: were great. Have they kind of addressed that and you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned there is going to be kind of a change
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  Speaker 1: to the camera system, but in what respects do we know?
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  Speaker 3: Not necessarily a change in terms of like what the
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  Speaker 3: cameras are capable of. It's just the UI of like
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  Speaker 3: simplifying the UI.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're watching the video, you can see how
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  Speaker 4: much more simplified this UI is compared to what it
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  Speaker 4: was before. Everything is they're they're utilizing a lot more
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  Speaker 4: transparent backgrounds for menus, so that your background follows through
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  Speaker 4: so it's it's not a translucent background and.
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  Speaker 1: You're not having a swipe and that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's like they got they made things more compact
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  Speaker 4: into the middle of the screen.
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  Speaker 3: They are using up more real estate for the actual
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  Speaker 3: videos portion.
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  Speaker 4: It's there's there are some significant UI changes and so
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  Speaker 4: in terms of camera functionality, like what it can do,
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  Speaker 4: what it can record, there was no there was no
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  Speaker 4: hardware or mechanical changes, but it's just all UI, all
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  Speaker 4: UI and experience.
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  Speaker 1: So now interesting. One of the pre you know, when
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of people speculating what was going
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  Speaker 1: to be announced.
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  Speaker 5: Well not.
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  Speaker 1: One of the other things that was mentioned was battery life.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, you get an iPhone and you may
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  Speaker 1: notice silver time the battery tens that degrade. It pretty
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  Speaker 1: much happens on most devices. As you use it, you
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  Speaker 1: put more apps and more stuff's running. They said that
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  Speaker 1: there was going to be significant changes to battery life.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't experienced that yet because you just got the
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  Speaker 1: developers addition on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I installed it. I think this morning.
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  Speaker 4: It's finally installed, and I mean I've gone the whole
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  Speaker 4: day and I'm at nine percent right now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna plug it in here in a second.
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  Speaker 3: But that's normal for me. I played a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Cookie Run.
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  Speaker 4: Which is Castle earlier, so I mean I was playing
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  Speaker 4: games with my phone earlier while the Max was played
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  Speaker 4: with Legos.
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  Speaker 3: We went to bed.
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  Speaker 4: But that eats up a lot of batteries, so I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's not an abnormal change. I did notice at first
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  Speaker 4: when I first did it, it got pretty sluggish, and I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh man, my.
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  Speaker 3: Phone's going to struggle with this.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
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  Speaker 3: Once I did a reboot, it's been fine.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're used to the way things look, wait,
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  Speaker 4: for a wild update when it comes out. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure when it launches, because this was just the keynotes yesday.
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  Speaker 4: Usually it's about three or four months post keynote.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe September or yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean usually it gives the developers a while to
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  Speaker 4: get things straightened out. I haven't found any broken apps yet,
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  Speaker 4: like all my apps seem to be working.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you want to catch maybe what you missed,
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  Speaker 1: you go to Apple dot com and I believe you
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  Speaker 1: could still watch the conference there where they talk about
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  Speaker 1: some of these significant changes, what liquid glasses and how
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  Speaker 1: they're rounding things and you know, all of that you
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  Speaker 1: should be able to find there. But I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: is this gonna make you maybe designed to upgrade for
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  Speaker 1: the next devices, which could be get announced maybe September October.
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  Speaker 3: They usually announce the hardware in September. I don't see
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  Speaker 3: a reason for me to, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, especially now you go back, right, I have no
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  Speaker 1: reasoned upgrade.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I've got I've got the one terriborted version of
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  Speaker 3: this phone. I have maybe less still less than half full. Right,
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  Speaker 3: there's no reason for me upgrade.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting to see, you know, uh again there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people I know that have moved over to Android
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  Speaker 1: that have said they want to move back to Apple, Well,
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  Speaker 1: how will they you know, how will they react when
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  Speaker 1: they come back? And maybe the interface is a little different.
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  Speaker 3: In the last decade.
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  Speaker 4: The thing that I've noticed is how frustrated people get
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  Speaker 4: with technology. And when you toss a new piece of
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  Speaker 4: technology in front of somebody that they use it every day,
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  Speaker 4: They have a routine, they have a way they want
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  Speaker 4: it to look, they have a color they want, and
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  Speaker 4: as soon as you make it not available to them
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  Speaker 4: for that color or that shape or the way they
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  Speaker 4: want it, people get frustrated. And then who do they blame, Well,
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  Speaker 4: they blame the developers. They feel like they're not in
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  Speaker 4: touch with their customer base. Or you have to be
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  Speaker 4: patient with technology. And that's something that I've really I
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  Speaker 4: struggled with when I was younger, with not being so
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  Speaker 4: super patient with technology.
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  Speaker 3: But as I've kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of worked with technology a lot more in high paced,
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  Speaker 4: high stress environments, I'm probably one of the most patient
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  Speaker 4: people with technology.
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  Speaker 1: Now you respect it, yeah, well, I have to.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's it's when you're in high stress
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  Speaker 4: live TV environments all the time, and I have been
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  Speaker 4: for a better part of two decades. Now I have
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  Speaker 4: to think of my feet, I have to think on
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  Speaker 4: the fly, and so small little UI changes. Yeah, they
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  Speaker 4: could be frustrating, but it's like, okay, I can see
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  Speaker 4: why they did it right. Yeah, maybe it's better. You
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  Speaker 4: don't know, like you have to give things a chance
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  Speaker 4: before you just throw it out the door and states crap.
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  Speaker 1: Not long ago we commented on Wise and how why
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  Speaker 1: has really been kind of quiet. Wise has been doing
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  Speaker 1: some things in the background, and they sent out an
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  Speaker 1: email this week that they're very overjoyed about and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: Costco.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, getting into Costco, well, you know why is partnered
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  Speaker 1: with I want to say, is it Roku? And Roku
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  Speaker 1: was selling the rise the Wise cameras branded as Roku,
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  Speaker 1: but they're basically Wise, which is good for them. One
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  Speaker 1: of the things they wanted to do. They're they're offices
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  Speaker 1: at Kirkland, Washington, so where Costco was founded. They pass
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  Speaker 1: their offices every day and one of the things they
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  Speaker 1: thought was that's the that's the you know, holy grail
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  Speaker 1: to get into costco because they get their products in
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  Speaker 1: front of everybody could be a good thing for them,
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  Speaker 1: and it looks like they finally have finally done it.
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  Speaker 1: And you actually saw saw some of this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, I saw it.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, wait, when did Why is coming to Costco?
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  Speaker 4: I don't need any more cameras? Right, But it's like, oh, good,
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  Speaker 4: good for them, Like that's great. They're gonna get a
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  Speaker 4: ton of traffic. They're gonna get a ton of like
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna sell a ton of cameras at Costco. They've
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  Speaker 4: been in some other big box stores. They've you know,
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  Speaker 4: I've seen him at Home Depot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm the best buy for a while out
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  Speaker 3: of nowhere.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: They announced this Costco deal and then earlier this week
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  Speaker 4: they announced a new camera.
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  Speaker 1: I want to find out about the camera, but for
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: the this new deal that they have in Costco, this
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  Speaker 1: deal is a Floodlight Pro which if you not seen that,
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  Speaker 1: it's basically, you know, three floodlights that can be mounted
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  Speaker 1: over your garage or you know, shed or wherever you
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  Speaker 1: want to have it with a camera that is just
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  Speaker 1: below that. So when that goes off, the motion detection
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  Speaker 1: will also set off the camera, so again you have
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  Speaker 1: that ability to capture what's going on in your driveway,
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  Speaker 1: your backyard, or wherever you decide to put this. I
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  Speaker 1: guess they're selling for under one hundred bucks. That's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty darn good deal. Now, this is CAM four. I noticed.
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  Speaker 1: I had gone online because I was thinking maybe I
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  Speaker 1: could buy one and featured on one of the TV segments.
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  Speaker 1: But there were seventy nine dollars for the Cam two.
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  Speaker 1: So the Camp four is their newest camera, at least
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  Speaker 1: with a floodlight pro. But then you were telling me
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  Speaker 1: they've got something completely different, and I want to get
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  Speaker 1: my hands on one of these.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this sort was unexpected, right.
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  Speaker 4: I get the beta invites for a lot of these things,
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  Speaker 4: and I never know what they are, but I can
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  Speaker 4: always guess, right based on the description of what they
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: want you to do with it, what they want you
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  Speaker 4: to try, where it could be mounted, et cetera. And
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  Speaker 4: I was expecting another like another light bulb or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, this is.
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  Speaker 4: A why bulb cam. It is a It is a
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  Speaker 4: camera that has a light bulb. Basically, it's the camera
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  Speaker 4: and then a cylinder with the light in it with
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  Speaker 4: an led in it that has the light.
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  Speaker 3: Bulb screw in it.
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  Speaker 4: So you can screw this into your light on this
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  Speaker 4: on your garage or on your outdoor shed or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and then you pull the camera down and so it
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  Speaker 4: can extend below the edge of whatever sconce or whatever
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  Speaker 4: you have in it, and it's there's.
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  Speaker 1: Your it's and it's powered by the bulb itself, by
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  Speaker 1: the light.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you just basically leave the light on. You
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  Speaker 4: can set and activate by motion, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: But it also can come with accessory bulbs, meaning you
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  Speaker 4: can pare it to be the camera with the bulb
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  Speaker 4: plus three additional bulbs that look like the can't like,
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: look like they're a bulb on top of the camera
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  Speaker 4: and tie them together so that it would trigger It
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  Speaker 4: would trigger the other lights to be on at the
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  Speaker 4: same time. If if that one comes on or trigger remotion,
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  Speaker 4: it would trigger the other ones and then all your
• 13:01
  Speaker 4: other basic triggers. Then basically it's just three bulbs that
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: look identical.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So it's a cool thing. Is it already available
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  Speaker 1: online on their website if people in order it right now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the BULBCAM plus one accessory bulb is sixty
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  Speaker 4: five bucks.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good price.
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  Speaker 4: And then the BULBCAM Plus the three bulbs is eighty
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  Speaker 4: five bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry for our listeners that decide, Okay, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get home security. I want to have a camera outside.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the things that people have told them is
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  Speaker 1: all you're going to pay through the nose for your monitoring,
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: because let's face it, there have been some of the
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: early cameras that came out when you updated and you,
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: whether it be Ring or some of the other ones,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: you suddenly get where we're paying quite a bit before
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  Speaker 1: you're monitoring. Wise also makes it available so you can
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  Speaker 1: record onto SD but also you can do a cloud
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: account and it's not that expensive.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I pay for the camp Plus unlimited, which
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  Speaker 4: is ninety nine bucks a year, right, and I get
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  Speaker 4: any number. Basically, if I can get a camera, I
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  Speaker 4: could subscribe it to Camplus. Now, I don't subscribe for
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  Speaker 4: the monitor the home monitoring, so like if the alarm
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  Speaker 4: goes off or a trigger's motion, it's gonna call the police.
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  Speaker 3: I don't pay for the data. Right, that's enough for me.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I get the unlimited cloud recording records to the
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  Speaker 4: SD card during events.
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  Speaker 3: It's satisfied my need.
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  Speaker 4: Now everybody's need or everybody wants is different, but that
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  Speaker 4: price for me is worth it for the one year.
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  Speaker 4: I think I've got eight cameras total. They're not all
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  Speaker 4: plugged in all the time. I move them around. I
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  Speaker 4: put one outside, you know, I've got two of the
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  Speaker 4: outdoor ones which I take when I'm traveling, which is
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  Speaker 4: nice because I can set it up, connect it to.
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  Speaker 3: My mobile TPE link router.
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  Speaker 4: It's to my phone and see and it'll record, and
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  Speaker 4: it'll record events if I needed to, like if I
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: had an issue, or if I wanted to be to
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  Speaker 4: feel a little more secure at my campsite.
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  Speaker 3: So that to me is okay. I know that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of.
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  Speaker 4: People, you know, if you're not paying for the product,
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  Speaker 4: you're the product kind of people like, yeah, what are
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  Speaker 4: they doing with your data?
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  Speaker 3: You're paying for what you get.
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  Speaker 4: Like, if you want high qualities, high you know, super
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  Speaker 4: quality POE powered cameras, go with ubiquity or go with
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: higher cost vendor. But then you're paying you know, one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty bucks a camera.
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  Speaker 4: This is an affordable solution. They look good. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm satisfied with it.
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  Speaker 1: Again, you can find out more at Wyze dot com.
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  Speaker 1: All right, listener email. We got an email in from
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Don in Phoenix, and this kind of ties in pretty
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: good to our discussion about Apple Too, which I thought
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: was good. Not Apple Too, but Apple also. It says, hey, crew.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: So I was wondering, is there a difference between me
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: popping into Walgreens and getting a charging cord from my
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: iPhone or spending more at best Buy and signed Don
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix? Because yeah, I've been in that situation too,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: where like you suddenly are looking at the shelves, you
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: might see a mark down of a you know, lightning
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: cord or even USBC you could find there, and I
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: always say, well that's pretty good. You know, five bucks,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: six bucks. You go into you know, a big buck
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: store that sells them, or an electronics store or even
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: your phone vendor itself, and you might find you're spending
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: twenty five bucks on it. Is there a difference in
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: these cords?
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: Do you think there can be?
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, more often than not, the cheap ones are
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: just here's power there you go.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Some of the more expensive ones might have a smart
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: chip inside that allows it to change the voltage based
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: on what you're plugged into.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Right, if it's USBC d USBC and you plug into USBC.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Charger that has variable voltage requirements or you know, can
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: do you know, twelve volts at two amps or nineteen
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: volts at whatever the whatever the power ratings are on
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: some smart plugs, those cords may be able to handle that, right,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: So your device is gonna be smart enough to handle it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: It's not gonna hurt you to buy the seven dollar
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: k Litt Walgreens.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: If it works, it works right.
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: It might not be high quality, and if you have
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: your car by tear apart, it might break, it might
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: get beat up relatively quickly.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I've always had success buying like a balcon yeahs, you.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Know, a not a not no name brand, but a
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: you know, a brand name that's somewhat reliable. And if
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: you buy like the braided ones that are a little
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: bit more stiffer. I bought a two pack for me
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: and k and one for each of our cars, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: they've been in there for a couple of months and
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: they've been fine. Like if you buy, if you know
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the Apple ones, they have that the rubbery material that
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: they're made out of that breaks down over time, starts
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: to crack, as it bends and then you know a
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: phrase at the end, and then it kind of just
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: deteriorates after that. So there's no difference in buying from
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Walgreens or a big box store. Just the quality. M h,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna get a little bit better quality.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: It's just like anything else, right, if if you pay
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: a couple more bucks, you're gonna get better quality and
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: if you paid less.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: All right. The other thing though to consider also on
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the flip side of that, and we've talked about this before,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: if you find one, don't use it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: If you just yeah, we though, yeah, we've mentioned that before.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Don't don't use other people's USB cables. Take a power
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: break if you're traveling that you can plug into the wall.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Don't just plug into random USB spots along the airports
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: or car whatever. Ubers and all that stuff. You never
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: know who's yagging your data with that, right, because it
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: takes two seconds for somebody to have a malicious could
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: be plugging your plug it into a Raspberry Pie that
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: somebody maliciously putting into that USB port and it's yanking
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: all your data. So, just just like thumb drives, never
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: plug random thumb drives into your computer.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Don't plug your phone into random USB ports.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Not good at all. And we didn't get a chance
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to ask Justin about that because I know he has
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: been a Nintendo switch, you know, Fan, I believe his
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: son has a switch switch to is now out? Uh,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't did you get one? Did you order one?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: No interest? It kind of some people, right, their price
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: plaint was.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: A little high, a little it was, yes, I think.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: It's five point forty nine.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: For like the Mario Kart bundle, they peeve some people
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: with some of their user agreement changes. They peeps some
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: people with their virtual game cartridge right, stuff where if
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: you buy a virtual game, you have to download the
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: virtual game cartridge for it to play to work broken.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Some of people's games that have transferred their data over.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: The Mario Kart game looks incredible. I'm gonna get a
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: chance to play it this weekend. My buddy Steve got
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: one and we're going camping this weekend, I told him
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: because it's probably gonna rain bringer switch, so we'll probably
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: play some Mario Kart this weekend.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping he gets to the Donkey Kong. I want
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to know how that one is because I was always
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Donkey Kong.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: But I mean, other than that, it's been interesting to
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: see how the product was delivered because a lot of
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: people were people delivered Apparently it wasn't Apparently it wasn't
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: packed very well. Green was face up against the back
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: of the cardboard right, So like people were reporting, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: dings and knicks and stuff in terms of like if
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: the cardboard box I hit just right, it could break
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: the screen.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Or they were stapling invoices to the box.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: That's game stop and in the bag and like stapling
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: the stapling the receipt to the bag. They were just
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: stapled to the front of the box. But so when
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: people opened up their box, there's two little fang marks
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: in their screen.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: That's now ruined.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Not good.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: It was a game stop in somewhere in Stanon Island,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: New York, or somewhere in New York, New Jersey. Yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: a dozen or z customers or more, I don't even
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: know how many. Here's the box, stabled it right to
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the box, not thinking anything. No, nobody, who would have
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: known that, nobody, So there's it's it's it's yeah, why
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: would you stable to the box? That's silly, but again,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: no fault of the people at game Stop.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: It's just an unfortunate that made really good Internet.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: All right, here's one see we fit one more question
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: before we go to break. Here from Steven and Tucson,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping you might have a solution for me. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was thinking about putting together a system and wondered, is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: it better to partition a large IDE drive, because I mean,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you can get ID drives now Spinney's for pretty good
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: price into sections or several SSDs.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: If you're using an IDE drive at this point in
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: your life, get out of technology.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: There's Yeah. I hope it's a typo. I hope he doesn't.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I hope he's just a misunderstanding on the heat built
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: computers twenty years ago.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he was the standard.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Please please upgrade to a Stata drive.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: All right, Steven, we're gonna assume that maybe you meant Sata.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: All right, So if he's talking about a large STA drive, yeah,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: so you're talking.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, they make sixteen twenty terrible drives now right, Yeah,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I've never I just build one partition for my drives.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never I've never felt a need to partition
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: it for something different. Now, if you're into virtual machines,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: or if you're into that type of stuff where you
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: need dedicated space for certain virtual machines, then yeah, but
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: there's there's no reason. Like I've got six drives in
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: this machine. I think between my games, photos, videos, they're
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: all just one separate drive.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Aren't you using an ASS as well?
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I have an ass I've got a four Bay s
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Analogy DS two nine something. It's populated with four Western
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Digital red four four Western Digital reds, and I think
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: it's running. I think a total capacity is like ten
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: terabytes one drive or done, so I can have one
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: drive fail and get get it back. So, I mean,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: if you're I have I backed up all my stuff.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: I went through all when I got it I back,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I went through. I literally I documented here's the hard drive,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: here's what was on it, Here's what size it was,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: here's the serial number. Did I back it up? Yes,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: now it's stored. It's in storage. It's just a bin
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: with all my other drives.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think I've got about six terribies total
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So he doesn't need to partition off that SATA or why.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I mean unless unless another listener that maybe works with
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: hard drives sees why he should partition it. I mean
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Windows and Mac and some linuxes, some Linux builds will
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: automatically partition drives for certain things. So for like, I've
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: not ever partitioned it for something other than just ross storage.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: There you go, all right? Coming up, we have got
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: special guests with us. Selena Fergassi is a music columnist
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: who has written a book all about Alanis Morisset. It's
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: called Alana's Thirty Years of Jagged Little Pill. This week
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: mark the thirty year anniversary of the release of her
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: album Jagged Little Pill, which has been turned into a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Broadway play, And of course so many songs came off
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that album, and we wanted to talk about the passion
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of wanting to write a book and how easy is
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: it really these days with being able to now if
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: she's been around a long time, she has a couple
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: other books under her belt, But how easy it is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: if you have an idea and a passion you can
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: write a book about it. Also, Tom Arnold going to
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: be joining us. Tom Arnold, who is a cybersecurity expert,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is going to talk about the downsides to giving your
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: kid a tablet, whether it be an iPad or an Android,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: and while you're cooking in the kitchen or cleaning giving
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: them the tablet saying here, go ahead and entertain yourself,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: amuse yourself, and why that is so dangerous. So we're
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: gonna talk to Tom Arnold about that when it comes
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to your kids as well. You have kids, I mean,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I've got the grand kid that comes over tablets. Do
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: you do you use those at all?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: So we've decided as a family unit to not do
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: any tablets at all.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: There's a small scenario when we're traveling or we're camping, we'll.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Put movies on the iPads that we can watch them
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: in the camper, so that when Max is getting waited
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: for bad we can say, here, you can just watch
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: this little you know, watch this video for a little while.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But we're not we're not giving it to him in
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the car. We're not giving it to.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Him on a on you know, unabated at home where
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: he doesn't have access to it on his own, and
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: we think that there are other things he can do
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: with this time. If we're doing something. He's interested in legos,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: he loves puzzles. You can read a book. There are
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: other things that are just much more mentally stimulating than watching.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: A tablet, absolutely and a lot of parents do that.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So hopefully Tom Arnold will shed some line on why
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: this is not a good idea that is coming up
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: their security issues as well for yourself and the family
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that we'll talk about with more of tech talk Radio.
• 25:29
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• 25:31
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• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Movie right back now, back to tech talk Radio. Being
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a parent, gosh six times over and being a grandparent
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: is a lot of fun. And you know, we've seen
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: technology come around. When you know was first a parent,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: we really didn't have any kind of super technology, not
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like we have today, and that has changed quite a bit.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And with that though, there are also some things to consider.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: And Tom Arnold is the author of a book, a
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: best selling book on Amazon, The Digital Detective First Intervention,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and joined us on tech talk Radio. Tom it's great
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to talk to.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: You, Thank you very much, thank you for having me on.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: You know, we've seen technology really grow in the last
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty twenty five years. But it's also grown
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: with the dangers that we bring into our homes. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that is something that you have taken a look at.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: You said, something needs to change. Parentcyed to understand.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, And you know it really has evolved. I mean,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: the concept of cybercrime in its own right. Back in
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: nineteen ninety two, when the first Internet sites were starting
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: to sell things online didn't even exist. It was assumed
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: that if somebody had a credit card and could give
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: us a valid credit card, well it must be them, right, Yeah, exactly,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: And you know that led to a very famous Peter
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Steiner a cartoon in The New Yorker in nineteen ninety
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: three that says, on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Good point, right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Just the flat out reality both sides. Yeah, the customer
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: and the merchant, nobody knows you're a dog. The customer
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: and the person they're communicating with, nobody knows you're a dog.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: If you would now, Tom, you're a cybersecurity expert and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: digital forensics educator as well, and you've actually advised the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: United States Secret Service on some of these things as
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: they were learning as well. What made you decide that
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you wanted to get into this line of work.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Well, in the earliest days, when I took you back
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: to nineteen ninety two, friends of mine and colleagues had
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: this great concept of selling software online and providing digital
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: downloads of software. It seems very straightforward today, we wouldn't
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: bat an eye at everything comes that way. Yeah, okay,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: But back then it was quite a problem, and it
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: was quite a problem to you know, you had the
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: problem of piracy. You'd sell one piece of software, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: that piece of software was used fifty times.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: You had the problem with fraud. You didn't know that
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: it was a dog you were. You know, you sold
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: a piece of software thinking you're making money and it's not.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: And in my earliest career, way back when I was
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: a policeman, I actually arrested people for fraud and so
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: I said, I am going to try to solve that.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Six patents later then all assigned to other companies on
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: fraud detection and the like. That was sort of the
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: genesis of getting involved with the earliest days of cybercrime.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: To answer your question, were you still a LEO when
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the Internet was growing? I mean, did you still see
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: fraud or No, they hadn't come about till years later.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: No, I left law enforcement in nineteen eighty six. So
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: computers were big, they had punch cards to program them,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: and all that sort of wonderful stuff. The concept of
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: the Internet. I did work for NASA during the earliest
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: days of the ARPINET, and the team that was building
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: the ARPAET was in my building and I worked in
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: an ancillary project with them, So Milele Medine and several
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: people I could name that were doing the ARPINET, which
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: of course evolved into the Internet.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Now, Tom, I know that you decided to put together
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the Digital Detective first intervention after having an experience where
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you didn't think it was all that dangerous and then
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you found out a little differently.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there were really sort of two events that came
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: up that caused me to think about a better way
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: to educate. One is I've been teaching at University in Nevada,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Las Vegas and at cal State University at the time,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: and I've always been, you know, teaching the topic of cybercrime,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: cybercrime detection, those sorts of things, and a lot of
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: times I felt that I was shouting at a wall.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: And so the concept evolved when roughly two and a
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: half years ago, now, my seven year old grandson was
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: playing a very popular video game. Now, both of his
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: parents are very high in the cybersecurity field. One of
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: them is a director for one of the big companies
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: in Washington in Washington State in cybersecurity, and the other
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: one is well educated in cybersecurity as well. So all
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: the parental controls were active on this game. And it's
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: really not the fault the game. But if you think
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: about it, what makes cybercrimes so unique is the ability
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: of a criminal to look orthogonally at a problem to
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: solve it. And in this situation, during the game, an
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: avatar appeared to my grandson held up a sign that said,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: what's your name? And where are you? Wow? Holding up
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: a sign?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, And you know who would have thunk at that
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: point in time. Now, my grandson was smart enough to
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: run to mom at that point because they had a
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: very close bonded relationship and Mom's not going to get
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: pissed off at the kid. You know, this is not
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: necessarily the kid's fault, and it's a game that is
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: really commonly used. So that was the number one event
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: that I said, hmmm, how do I try to get
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: that bond between parents their children over cybersecurity. The next
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: event that took place that led me to start the
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Digital Detective was basically another family We're at a Halloween
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: sort of family gathering sort of thingy. She makes the
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: comment to me that she finds it easier to talk
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: to her kids about sex than cybersecurity. Wow, and I thought, okay,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: he was needed here, absolutely. So my concept was to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: develop a story, develop characters that might be likable by
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: the kids, and to build a book structure that was
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: a nine and over reader sort of a first chapter reader.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: So it's a first chapter reader. You know, it's pretty
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: big in size physical size, but it's all double space,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: so it makes it really easy and believe it or not,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: you know, I would say eighty percent of the reviews.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: There's forty reviews on Amazon right now on it, and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: if you read those, they love the fact that it's
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: double space for their old tired eyes.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: That's perfect.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I think, Okay, that's not my primary audience, but.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's not where I was going, But hey,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that's good where I'm going.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: You know, if I'm educating the parents and the grandparents.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: That's okay if I try to tie. My objective is
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: really to try to tighten that bond with the kids
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: and help educate the kids. The kids find it fun
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: reading about the topics, and so the book really is
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: an introduction to the digital detective, a fourteen year old
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: hero and a fourteen year old heroin as well with
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: him a real powerful girl. And so there they end
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: up taking on cyber terrorism, which is a category that
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: is way out there. Okay. The next story, which I
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: hope to have out in January is believe it or not,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to do it as lightly as
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: I can, is going to take on sex stores and
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: human trafficking.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something we don't like to talk about that, but
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the fact is it happens, and it happens every day.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. That if somebody can find a way to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: make money off somebody else's downfall, they will, And that's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: absolutely yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Oh boy no, And it's almost like an extension of
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: cyber bullying. I'm sorry to talk over you there, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: no of cyber bullying. You know, there's two other concepts
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: that I'm really trying to profess, and that is that
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: there's two different things you have friends online, and in
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: one of your earlier shows you actually talked about this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: You're in a chat group on Instagram with your five
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: known friends. Yep, it's really them. That's friends online. Then
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: there's this thing called online friends. You're in a larger forum.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Call it TikTok, call it whatever you want, It doesn't
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: matter the tool. Yeah, but you're in a much larger forum,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: and people who profess to be your friends are online
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: with you. You have no actual idea as to who
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: they actually are. Now, both groups can be very dangerous.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: In the friends online, where you know everybody, you don't
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: know if one of the friends' computers or mobile phones
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: has been taken over by someone else, and that someone
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: else is actually behaving like them online.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You don't know that I have assumed their identity. Possibly
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that's correct.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: You assume they're a friend online friends, you have to
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: believe that they're strangers. So when I see in a
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: restaurant the parents doling out the iPads to the kids
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: to keep them quiet at the dinner table during the
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: restaurant meal, I really have to think about this and go.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: You know, there's a similarity to my own childhood. When
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: I was a kid and my mom wanted to go
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: to the grocery store for an hour. She would drop
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: me off at a park and say, go have fun. Well,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: I go to the store and when the street lights
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: turn on, come home for dinner.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of us went through that time.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Standard in the sixties, okay, but nowadays, no parent would
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: do that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Even just riding your bike around the street, you wouldn't
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: even do that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: So same thing handing out the iPads. It's kind of
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: the virtual playground.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So you're putting it a kin to, you know, giving
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: your kid a tablet. You say, okay, here, I've got.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: To go do the dish.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to go put the groceries away or whatnot.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And then that's like sending him to the playground and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: just saying here, go go ahead. But we wouldn't even
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: think about doing that today, correct, Wow, And it is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it is dangerous and a lot of you know, we've
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: talked about smartphones because we think of phones, we think
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: of communication. But within the games, within some of the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: apps that are available on our tablets or iPads or whatnot,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: there is that communication process that some parents, grandparents, aunts
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and uncles that are maybe watching younger. Younger kids have
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: no idea that people can communicate. I do words with friends.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: People send me no notifications on that. Now they don't
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: know how old I am. So again, people can still
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: communicate within some of these games.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can create a complete sort of false identity
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: of yourself. And that's why I refer to them as avatars.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: It's an avatar of you. It doesn't mean that you're
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: doing something wrong. I mean, that's sort of the intent.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Here's my avatar. Okay, it's my alter ego. Whatever.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: When we had Tatiana Jordan on talking about her bark
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: technologies and stuff, we think about parental controls. Justin uses
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: one of those services as well. That is not the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: end all, is it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: No, what's my point about holding up the sun? Yeah,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: you're talking about an avatar in a game who's going
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: to hold up a sign, which is an alloud sort
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: of feature of the game.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Well, now, Tom, what can parents do? Obviously they can
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: get the digital Detective the first intervention this and this
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: is not just for parents. This is really for, as
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, for people of all ages to kind of understand,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: because it can be a little daunting. I've talked with
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, our listeners that have called
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in the radio station when I'm when I'm here, that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: have said, you know, I don't I don't understand it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you explain it? What can a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: parent or somebody that is a caregiver do to help
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: understand this.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: I think there's a few major points in this. Even
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: though you, yourself or the person themselves, the parent may
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: not be you know, super technically adepts if you would,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I think private information is still private information and still
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: sort of teaching kids what that term actually means. Okay,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: it can mean the name of the family dog, that
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: can be utilized by a bullier who wants to bully someone. Okay,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: all of that information gets built up. So maintaining private
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: information private and sort of always enforcing the kids what
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: exactly that is. It's not just you name and password,
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: it's not just their name and address. It's much more
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: than that, and they have to really be conscious of that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: If they're on a game or in a chat session,
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: what sort of information they release into the chat session. Oh,
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: my family, we're all away on a vacation. It's so boring,
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: my parents, blah blah, blah, and what a boring time.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: I'm happy all my buddies here. You know, all of
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: those things can be used against someone. So the second
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: one is definitely be careful the type of information that
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: they actually release, even if they're upset. The third thing
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: I think is major and where technology is concerned. I
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: actually believe that the parents and the kids have to
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: have an agreement between them that this is open territory
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: for them to talk in. The parents are not going
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: to overreact, okay, and in turn, the kid's not going
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: to try to hide things necessarily, so if something bad
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: shows up. I mean, artificial intelligence today is a whole
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: other topic as to how it's affecting things like sextortion.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: You're able to actually build images that really do look
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: like the person, yeah, and use that for sextortion. If
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: the kids know that they didn't pose for that picture
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: and they didn't do that, and going to mom and
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: dad is extremely important, and it's tough as a parent
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: to maintain that calm so that you don't destroy that
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: relationship that brought it to your attention, that's now protecting
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: your kid.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: It was the point, Well, Tom, I want to say
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: something too, and I've thought about this as well. You know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: we as parents tend to share a lot sometimes on
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: We'll just use one of the biggest ones, of course Facebook,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in Instagram, but of course you may share on Snap
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But when the parents share this information on
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: social media, those that you know, stranger danger that want
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: to do harm and want to bring kids in or
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: find kids to traffic, they can use that information. Oh look,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: they lost a dog back some years ago. Let's talk
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: about how I lived down the street and I remember
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: their dog, and they create they create that that that bond,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that bond with that child, and suddenly the child thinks
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it's a friend that knew mom and dad and has
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: been around for a while. That information we put as
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: parents online can also be dangerous for our children.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Absolutely true. And don't underestimate the fact that the parents
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: are at risk as well by themselves. We're talking about kids, okay,
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: and the bond with kids okay, because they're neophytes in
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: the woods. There's a significant percentage of neophytes in the
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: woods that are also parents, true, which is also you know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: a challenge. I guess. The final thing to state is
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: saying close to what's happening in general as far as
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: the games and making certain parental controls are extremely important,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: and having those controls up, knowing how to reach the
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: game provider in some way, shape or form, knowing that
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: video game, video game, I call them video games, but
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: games can actually be used to recruit people for fringe organizations.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: It's well documented that al Qaida even uses this.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: YEP, cartels have been using them as well.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: Cartels use it, and right wing groups are just as
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: bad the fringe groups on either side. Okay, So having
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: to sort of educate the kids to this so they
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: don't get pulled into that situation as a whole another problem,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: and that's what they need to keep up on as
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: sort of my fourth.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, Tom, this has been a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: great discussion. I want our listeners to check it out,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: The Digital Detective First Intervention. I want to get you
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: back on the show again because really you provide so much
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: great information and I definitely want to check out the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: book available on Amazon. Tom Arnold, thank you so much
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: for coming on Tech Talk Radio.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: And Hey, thank you very much for having me on. Today.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: We will be back with Selena Fergasi, an author who's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: written a great book about a lot us more set.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: That's standing by on tech Talk Radio. And now back
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to tech talk Radio. All right, people pick out your
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: notebooks and pencils and trib roles.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: You're listening to to tech Talk Radio with true geeks.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm beast Eider and I'm a geek.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Though we've had many people over the years that have
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: told us I how to write a book, we tell
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: them you should go for it. It's I think it's
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: been Honestly, I think it's been made a lot easier
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: to put your your passion, to put your ideas to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: paper or to digital then it has been in the past.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And writing a book is I think a lot easier,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: not only to get that book pub but also to
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: get that book seen. Before the internet, if you had
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a book, you went to one of the big you know, publishers.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: You went there and you told them, you know, here's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: my book idea. They saw how viable it would be,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and then they would send it off to Walden Books
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: or get it into bookstores. You only found out about
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it by generally reading a paper or stopping into a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: bookstore and finding that. And there are so many different
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: books about different passions that people have and one of
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: those that I think a lot of us all share
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: is the passion of music. And Selena Fergossi is an
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: author who has been a music columnist for so many years,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: has decided to put together a book about a lot
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: of moreris set. It's called a Lot of thirty Years
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of Jagged Little Pill and joined us here on tech
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Talk Radio. Selena, great to talk to you.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you was well, Thanks so much for having me.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Now what made you decide to put together a book
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: about a lot of us more set.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: She's been one of my favorites since I was a
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: teenager and when I was looking up big milestones that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: were coming up in the future. This was a couple
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: of years ago. I saw that Jack a Little Pill
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: was turning thirty, and first I couldn't believe it in
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: thirty years. But then I was obsessed with having to
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: write this book, and I put a pitch together for
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: my publisher and here we are.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: What will we find in this book that you've put together,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: which is now at Amazon dot Com and at bookstores.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really take a deep dive into this album,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: in particular, Jagged Little Pill obviously her biggest album she's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: ever had that sold thirty three million copies worldwide. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: really dive into how this album was made Alanis's pop
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: star past and how that kind of developed turned away
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: for what she did on Jacked Little Pill, her really
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: amazing collaborator, Glenn Ballad, of trying to get any record
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: label to pay attention to her, and it really wasn't
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: until Madonna came along. As well as how this album
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: became just such a huge part of the cultural zeitgeist
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: in the nineties and what it meant to so many people.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: In addition to that, I talk about the Broadway play
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: that was based on the album and all the other
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: big points in Alans's career as well.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: When you look at some of the artists today like
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift or Olivia Rodrigo, how do they differ from
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Alana's and how you know, her upcoming upcoming you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: hit status became.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I think there's actually a really strong through line of
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: what Alanis did and how that begat the Taylor's and
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the Olivia's. In fact, in the book, I have quotes
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: from each of them where they talk about how impactful
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Alantis was to their own career, and they really pay
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: homage to her kind of opening up the gates for
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: confessional singer songwriters. I think nowadays it's a bit more accepted,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: it's applauded. In Alantis's day, it was not. She really had.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: She struggled to get people to pay attention and to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: respect her craft.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Well, it was very tough. I think for female artists.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that that's been made easier because
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: of movements that alanis more you know made.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and I think really, you know, Atlantis of
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: course wasn't the first. There were incredible female singer songwriters
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: before her in the nineties like Tree, mimus Let's Sair PJ. Harvey.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: But I think with Alani's she really made it more commercial,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: she made it accessible, and I really do link that
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: back to her pop star pass of creating the song
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: she did that had the rawness but also the commercialness,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and so I think, you know, we're seeing that really
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: with today's genre of singer generation of singer songwriters, but
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Alana's she really kind of set the pathway for them.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: When putting this book together, Selena, it's Alana's thirty years
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of Jagged Little Pill. Did you talk to fans or
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: maybe some of the fan base that is out there,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: because I know there are there are fan groups, there
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: are discussion groups on Reddit and of course social media.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Did you talk to some of them to find out
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like why they were attracted to her music and which
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: ones really rang truth for them?
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I definitely looked at a ton of Reddit boards
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: and social media to kind of get the pulse on,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you know, what, how Alanus is perceived today and even
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: like what I could dig up in terms of video
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: interviews there. MTV did a few fan videos of what
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Alanta's meant people back in the nineties, and they were
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: all really poignant, and I think for my book in particular,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I interviewed several colleagues of mine, female music journalist about
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: their thoughts on Atlanta and they were fans as well,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and the impacts of this album, and so there's a
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: lot of really insightful perspectives beyond just my own in
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: this book.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Well, plus, you've put together some really really cool photos,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: some of these that are rarely seen. In putting this together,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that had to be being a fan yourself of Atlanta,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: So they had to be kind of a lot of
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: fun to go through and decide, Okay, we're gonna put
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: this in, put this in. But then you get to
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: a point you go, oh gosh, maybe I'll do a
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: second book. How do you decide like, yeah, yeah, how
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: do you decide like what to include in it?
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I have to give big props to the team at
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: my publisher's quarto they put together to the design of
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the book. I absolutely love what they did, including that cover.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: It's just it's a total road map. It's a you know,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: magic eye kind of. It's an incredible cover. I highly
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: suggest people check that out and in itself before digging
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: into the book. But you know, they kind of we
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: through the photos together and just made sure that it
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: was really representative of what was being talked about in
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: the book. And like you said, some photos that you
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: know are kind of rarer. But I think there could
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: be so many follow ups on this topic. For sure.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Do you have a song, Selena that kind of like mine?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, My favorite has got to be ironic.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite that stand out for you?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I do, you know? And it's changed since doing this book.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I think I probably would have said you want to know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: like many people before writing this book. After writing this book,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: my favorite is right through you. And I'll tell you why.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: It's because that song actually, to me has the most
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: passionate delivery and songwriting even more than you want to know.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Everyone kind of pins you how to know is crazy
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: out of the canon songs, but right through you. She
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: really takes record label executives, the male record label executives,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: attack who didn't want to find her, who dismissed her,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: who wanted to change her, or just think of her
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: as you know, a trophy. And it's an incredible song
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: that just really shows the power of her songwriting.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Now, you have been writing for many years. You have
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you know, bylines that have been in spin. You've interviewed
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: so many artists, everybody from Gosh, Debbie, Harry, Jack White,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the Black Keys, and many others. When somebody says, hey,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I want to come up with a book, what advice
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: would you give them they want to maybe follow the
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  Speaker 1: path that you're following.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question. I would say, believe in yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I think everyone gets imposter syndrome or thinks that they
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  Speaker 2: can't do it. It is a daunting task to write
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  Speaker 2: a book. I won't you know, sugarcoat it, but it
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  Speaker 2: is so rewarding in that end, and I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you are really passionate about a topic, that will
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  Speaker 2: come through in the writing. And the other piece of
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  Speaker 2: advice I would say is plan ahead and take your
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  Speaker 2: time writing a book and not something even do in
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  Speaker 2: a short window. So really kind of do it every
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  Speaker 2: single day and get you'll get it done towards them.
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  Speaker 1: And what about getting to the publisher? Was that was
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  Speaker 1: that a bit of a challenge for you or did
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  Speaker 1: you have that set up before you really started putting.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say pen to paper, but I know
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  Speaker 1: that's not how it works anymore.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Actually I had a relationship with this publisher before the
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  Speaker 2: Atlantis book. I have two other books out previous and
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  Speaker 2: they actually approached me and so we had book this relationship.
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  Speaker 2: But with every book I want to do, I have
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  Speaker 2: to give a very detailed pitch to them. So you
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  Speaker 2: kind of have to sell the story for someone else
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  Speaker 2: to care about it and give you the green light.
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  Speaker 2: So really that's where that kind of passion comes in.
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  Speaker 1: All right, given that this book is now available, matter
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  Speaker 1: of fact, it came out earlier this week, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's also the anniversary back in nineteen ninety five of
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  Speaker 1: the release of Jagged Little Pill. So it's a big week.
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  Speaker 1: Have you been able to get word back from Alanis
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  Speaker 1: as far as how she's felt about the book as
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  Speaker 1: she's been able to preread it.
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  Speaker 2: Her teen does have copies. They requested it and I
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  Speaker 2: haven't heard back since. So I hope she likes it.
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  Speaker 2: I hope she really, you know, takes it in the
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  Speaker 2: intent it was, which was to celebrate her and this
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  Speaker 2: incredible album that is still so renate so much with
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  Speaker 2: so many people, including myself.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have a feeling that she really will and
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  Speaker 1: our listeners can definitely check this out. It's available on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon dot com, It's in the bookstores. Alanis thirty years
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  Speaker 1: of Jagged Little Pill. So, Lena Fergotci, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for coming on the show and some great advice
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  Speaker 1: though for those budding writers out there and for those
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  Speaker 1: that love music, they definitely want to check this one out.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you again, Thank you so much, Andy, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Harold Parano, and you listen to the
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  Speaker 1: We were supposed to have this week on the show,
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  Speaker 1: the filmmakers behind a brand new documentary called Going Postal
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  Speaker 1: The Legacy Foretold. And I know you tried the game.
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  Speaker 1: You tried what the latest one? Did you do the
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  Speaker 1: original when it came out?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think Justin and I had played
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: it together at some point. It's just one of those
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: quirky shooter games.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: It really is first person shooter game, but it at
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the time it's one everybody was talking about some of
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the violence and video games and how bad it was.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: And Vince it's Deisi who is from Tucson as a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, who had his offices based here. They
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  Speaker 1: were interviewed. Even put out a movie. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you know that, there's a movie called Postal, and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: it was I went to the premiere of it. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't one of the greatest films of all time. But
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: his company, Running with Scissors put this game out. And
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it's cool because Rick Hunter is a friend of mine. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: three of the voices we know, Corey Cruz, Rick Hunter,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: and John Saint James of course, the voice of Duke
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: nukam Our voices in the most recent Postal game. I
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: asked Rick if he's in the documentary and he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I am. He said it was taped about a half
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: a year and a half ago and he had an
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds mustache. He said with a curly he said,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I look like an idiot either way. The movie is
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  Speaker 1: now available for you to check out on Apple and Amazon.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: You could rent it there. I believe it's out on
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Blu Ray as well, so if you want to find
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: it you could do that. Just do a search for
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Going Postal. But hopefully we'll get the filmmakers on so
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that they could talk about this. I don't know if
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: there's any still photos of us from because we broadcast
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: from the screening of the movie, so I mean there.
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  Speaker 1: We could always end up in there because we were
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: out there broadcasting live, So that could be pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of movies, Happy Gilmore too. The trailer is out
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  Speaker 1: the movie with Adams Sendler. It's gonna be good. The
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: movie will be out July twenty fifth on Netflix.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of movies and TV shows, Yeah, learned something very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever watch Firefly.
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  Speaker 1: Firefly, Firefly, yeah with oh what's his name?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Disney Plus is putting out new episodes this fall.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: So they're going into production and making new ones.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: My understanding is that it's gonna be this fall Disney Plus.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Will Nathan Fillion be back?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Oh I like it, taking a break from the rookie Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought that was pretty interesting. So it's it's
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: all on the internet, so it's got to be true.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Sure, we'll keep an eye out for that one.
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  Speaker 1: That's it for this week's tech Talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's Father's Day. So Happy Father's Day to you, dad.
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  Speaker 4: Happy Father's Day to me, Happy Father's Day to you,
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  Speaker 4: and Happy Father's d to all the other great, wonderful
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  Speaker 4: father's out there.
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