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- 0:04Speaker 1: Peace out.
- 0:04Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
- 0:07Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
- 0:11Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
- 0:13Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
- 0:14Speaker 2: Come for the hoops.
- 0:15Speaker 1: Talk, Stay for its list of the day, Our list today.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Here's oc with basketball savon Gordy Chiaysa on the Sean
- 0:22Speaker 2: O'Connell Show.
- 0:27Speaker 3: Oh, we welcome in Gordon Chiasa, our resident NBA guru
- 0:30Speaker 3: for a conversation about these NBA Finals.
- 0:34Speaker 1: Things got a lot more interesting.
- 0:37Speaker 3: After a surprising first couple of games in San Antonio,
- 0:41Speaker 3: the circus packs up, returns to Madison Square Garden. What
- 0:46Speaker 3: an epic night, and the San Antonio Spurs go to
- 0:50Speaker 3: MSG and beat the New York Knicks one fifteen, one eleven,
- 0:55Speaker 3: Game three to make it two to one in favor
- 0:58Speaker 3: of the Knicks. They still have home court advantage here,
- 1:02Speaker 3: but it shows you that when this Spurs team turns
- 1:06Speaker 3: it on and plays right, the series can be exactly
- 1:10Speaker 3: what we hope it will be.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Gordi Chiezo, welcome to the show.
- 1:13Speaker 4: How are you, sir, Sean? I'm doing well. And add
- 1:16Speaker 4: to that, it was a garden party and the Spurs
- 1:20Speaker 4: were the crasher of the party. And this showed you
- 1:23Speaker 4: the ability to get yourself focused from the opening tap,
- 1:28Speaker 4: and that's what the Spurs did. They were ready to
- 1:31Speaker 4: play and a nicrobox is to their credit, they tried
- 1:34Speaker 4: to battle hard, but they had it was almost like
- 1:37Speaker 4: self inflicting those costly turnovers and they're absolutely was off fouling,
- 1:42Speaker 4: and that was the big controversy Sewan as far as
- 1:45Speaker 4: the day. Half a day later was the foul discrepancy
- 1:49Speaker 4: where Mike Brown was complaining to the lead official, Mark Davis,
- 1:53Speaker 4: who was a crew chief that in the second half
- 1:56Speaker 4: that the Spurs shot twenty four to three throws and
- 1:59Speaker 4: Nicks only shot eight. And part of the reason was
- 2:02Speaker 4: was that absolutely the Spurs were the aggressor and that
- 2:06Speaker 4: the nicrobackers I called Sean were playing a machete defense
- 2:11Speaker 4: chop chop where they were they were physical, but these
- 2:14Speaker 4: last split second they were absolutely fouling the the Spurs
- 2:19Speaker 4: rolling to the basket being when beyonber or just in
- 2:22Speaker 4: the act of shooting. So the Knicks have to clean
- 2:24Speaker 4: that up as far as in game four.
- 2:28Speaker 3: So I think I'm interpreting correctly the foul discrepancy for
- 2:33Speaker 3: you was justified. There's no there's no home cooking, or
- 2:37Speaker 3: I guess it would be the opposite of home cooking here.
- 2:40Speaker 3: There's no real gripe about the officiating, not at all my.
- 2:45Speaker 4: Point of view objectively. Yeah, right now, that's conspiracy theory.
- 2:49Speaker 4: Oh where they wanted when Beyonmba to go another game
- 2:52Speaker 4: or so too. As far as the NBA Finals, it
- 2:55Speaker 4: doesn't work like that, absolutely not. This is the big
- 2:58Speaker 4: League exists, is prime time. It's to the global an
- 3:02Speaker 4: event and that Wenbyyamba and his crew, they outplayed the
- 3:07Speaker 4: Knicks as far as the physicality of the game, and
- 3:11Speaker 4: that's why it's so important. Wemby was absolutely great last night.
- 3:15Speaker 4: He made the he made the Nikobocker's foul. It's how
- 3:20Speaker 4: he got it. He got it on runs to the basket,
- 3:22Speaker 4: on a high pick and roll. He got it as
- 3:24Speaker 4: far as broken plays, and most of all, he got
- 3:27Speaker 4: it when they had to and that fourth quarter when
- 3:29Speaker 4: he gets up ten points in a quarter and he
- 3:33Speaker 4: got to the foul line and he stuck his fouth
- 3:34Speaker 4: shot eight for nine. But it with Wemby, it's the
- 3:37Speaker 4: biggest thing about it against unbelievable physical defense by the
- 3:43Speaker 4: Knicks and all the focal point of guarding him. He
- 3:46Speaker 4: only has one turnover last night handling that ball, and
- 3:49Speaker 4: there's so much pressure of the game. That's commendable by him.
- 3:52Speaker 4: He played absolutely great.
- 3:56Speaker 3: So now that the Spurs have sort of doused the
- 4:01Speaker 3: flame of this red hot New York Knicks team, you
- 4:04Speaker 3: go in and you spoiled. Like you said, you crashed
- 4:07Speaker 3: that garden party. It was expected to be this triumphant
- 4:12Speaker 3: return championship level basketball beam played at the Garden for
- 4:16Speaker 3: the first time in twenty seven years or whatever, and
- 4:20Speaker 3: San Antonio comes out with the win. It had been
- 4:23Speaker 3: such a role through the playoffs for this New York
- 4:25Speaker 3: Knicks team. Does does Game three and that sort of
- 4:30Speaker 3: calming effect on that momentum carry over into Game four.
- 4:35Speaker 4: Yes the Spurs, yes very much, and the boat teams
- 4:39Speaker 4: and sense where the first two games in San Antonio
- 4:44Speaker 4: it was the tail of two cities, meaning Charles Dickens,
- 4:47Speaker 4: where in Game one the Spurs collapsed and had a
- 4:52Speaker 4: fourteenth point lead in the third quarter and they lost.
- 4:56Speaker 4: And then in game two that the Knicks had the
- 4:59Speaker 4: lead in the fourth quarter and they almost gave it away.
- 5:03Speaker 4: If Wenby's missed a jump shot from the elbow seventeen
- 5:06Speaker 4: foot or so, makeable shot goes in, then there's a
- 5:09Speaker 4: different discussion. So every game has been close, and both
- 5:14Speaker 4: teams have had moments where they were the ones where
- 5:17Speaker 4: the aggressor and with victorious going away in style. So
- 5:22Speaker 4: now game four it comes down to, as always, who
- 5:27Speaker 4: can play physical defense without overly fouling, who controls the backboards,
- 5:33Speaker 4: and who can make plays out of chaos. So last
- 5:37Speaker 4: night's game, Deanon Fox, who struggled in game one, came
- 5:42Speaker 4: back and he made that pull up jump shot where
- 5:45Speaker 4: they had to get a basket. That nine year veteran
- 5:49Speaker 4: sticks that shot to put them up, and then Stephan Castle,
- 5:52Speaker 4: age twenty one, he sticks two to three throws in
- 5:56Speaker 4: front of an unbelievable chanting crowd, and that gave them
- 6:01Speaker 4: a chance to hold off the Nikobokers. So that's what
- 6:04Speaker 4: happens in game will happen in game four? What team
- 6:07Speaker 4: can do things like that to go away? Now, as
- 6:10Speaker 4: far as mathematically, big difference being three to one if
- 6:13Speaker 4: you're the Knickerbockers up or the Spurs to two, let's
- 6:17Speaker 4: go home.
- 6:20Speaker 3: Gordy chez Our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show
- 6:22Speaker 3: talking game three.
- 6:23Speaker 1: In game four to come in this NBA.
- 6:27Speaker 3: Finals series, a lot of us are looking now not
- 6:30Speaker 3: only need the team matchup, but how the stars play
- 6:33Speaker 3: and cancel one another out with their production. You've got
- 6:38Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson, who is very obviously the lead dog for
- 6:40Speaker 3: this New York Knicks team. He had thirty two points
- 6:43Speaker 3: last night. Whim Binyama had the exact same number of points.
- 6:45Speaker 3: So I guess on the score sheet they did effectively
- 6:49Speaker 3: cancel one another out there. If you're coaching up Wemby
- 6:53Speaker 3: for this game four versus how you're coaching up Brunson
- 6:56Speaker 3: for this game four, what does.
- 6:57Speaker 1: It look like?
- 6:59Speaker 4: Well, I some Brunson is that his Nickerbocker players, teammates'
- 7:03Speaker 4: allies have to score the ball. So last night, in
- 7:06Speaker 4: a very hard four game by the Knicks, the kel
- 7:09Speaker 4: Bridgers and Landry Shammitt, who played well throughout the whole playoffs,
- 7:13Speaker 4: they can blind shooting from the field two to thirteen,
- 7:17Speaker 4: so they couldn't make a shot, and the company Towns
- 7:20Speaker 4: in the second half was passive. He wasn't involved offensively.
- 7:25Speaker 4: Some of his teammate's fault. Most of it's his fault.
- 7:28Speaker 4: When you don't get the ball offensively, you've got it,
- 7:31Speaker 4: demand it by velocity, cutting or crashing the offensive boards
- 7:36Speaker 4: or running the floor to get yourself going. You just
- 7:39Speaker 4: can't rely on your teammates to give you the ball
- 7:42Speaker 4: on time in space. And with that said, it was
- 7:46Speaker 4: still an unbelievable close game. That's how both teams are
- 7:49Speaker 4: going to view it, where if we do a certain
- 7:51Speaker 4: few things better, we can be victorious in the next game.
- 7:55Speaker 4: And so from the Spurs point of view is that
- 8:00Speaker 4: they've got to continue to be physical and get after
- 8:04Speaker 4: all the secondary players I just mentioned and make them
- 8:07Speaker 4: have to play basketball through physicality. So as always, there's
- 8:14Speaker 4: nothing regular about the postseason. In the regular season, it's
- 8:18Speaker 4: a love fest. Everybody shoots three point shots. The world
- 8:21Speaker 4: is perfect. The metrics come about. If we take fifty
- 8:25Speaker 4: one to three point shots, we can win. When's the
- 8:28Speaker 4: last time showing the playoff basketball you heard about the metrics.
- 8:33Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's some people who are always obsessed
- 8:35Speaker 1: with the metrics. That's not me though, I know.
- 8:38Speaker 4: And the learning point about that is that there isn't
- 8:41Speaker 4: any It's all based on mono A mono, it shun
- 8:45Speaker 4: as always when someone puts a body on you on
- 8:48Speaker 4: it in a sporting event, how do you respond when
- 8:52Speaker 4: someone goes to do numbers on numbers? How do you respond?
- 8:56Speaker 4: Most winning players will respond by what tenacity but also
- 9:01Speaker 4: technique you need both. You just can't push the guy
- 9:04Speaker 4: off and give them a forearm shiver. That is a foul.
- 9:06Speaker 4: But you've got to have enough tenacity and courage to
- 9:11Speaker 4: get that guy off you within the framework of the
- 9:13Speaker 4: game and then keep your head about yourself. So usually
- 9:16Speaker 4: speaking in games four, five, and six, is that the
- 9:20Speaker 4: team that plays the smartest and the most aggressive will
- 9:24Speaker 4: come out the victor. And that's what and that's the
- 9:28Speaker 4: great unknown is that you think you know, but you
- 9:31Speaker 4: don't know until you lace them up in the under court.
- 9:34Speaker 4: And you've got to be able to be played forward.
- 9:37Speaker 4: You can't miss a shot backwards and then let it
- 9:39Speaker 4: affect you the next three to four possession. You've got
- 9:42Speaker 4: to look at the viewpoint forward. And that's the mental
- 9:46Speaker 4: focus that is based on what your own personality but sean,
- 9:50Speaker 4: but also based on your teammates and what's the dynamics
- 9:54Speaker 4: of the court. And that makes it so interesting, this
- 9:57Speaker 4: thing called the playoffs.
- 10:00Speaker 3: Making of those team dynamics for a jazz fan, maybe
- 10:04Speaker 3: a silver lining. You saw Jordan Clarkson, beloved jazz Man
- 10:08Speaker 3: for a time in his career. He got thirteen minutes
- 10:12Speaker 3: in Game three, He scored ten points, He had a
- 10:14Speaker 3: nice little contribution. He didn't turn the ball over a
- 10:17Speaker 3: couple of times, but you know, grab some rebounds, grabbed
- 10:20Speaker 3: the steel. So I think on balance, right, he ended
- 10:23Speaker 3: up better than you know, gave more than he got.
- 10:28Speaker 3: It was plus eight on the night, and that's good
- 10:32Speaker 3: for thirteen minutes and a guy who has obviously seen
- 10:34Speaker 3: his role reduced over what the expectation probably was. The
- 10:37Speaker 3: reason I'm bringing that up is my question is you
- 10:40Speaker 3: just mentioned these team dynamics. You're all the way into
- 10:44Speaker 3: this playoff series. You're all the way in to this run.
- 10:48Speaker 3: And I imagine the roles that these guys are going
- 10:51Speaker 3: to play it. They're relatively well established. You don't want
- 10:54Speaker 3: to mess with it too much if you're either of
- 10:56Speaker 3: these coaches. But if you get a Jordan Clarkson or
- 11:00Speaker 3: a Landry Shamman or whomever, right, Harrison Barnes, who all
- 11:04Speaker 3: of a sudden comes off the bench and does something
- 11:07Speaker 3: really really nice. Does it change your approach for Game four?
- 11:13Speaker 4: Yes, very much, because there's no hard feelings. This is
- 11:16Speaker 4: the NBA Finals and that whoever the hot hand is
- 11:20Speaker 4: going to play in that game. Jordan Clarkson messy four.
- 11:24Speaker 4: He's beloved by the Jazz fans. He was the sixth
- 11:26Speaker 4: Men of the Year back in twenty twenty one, which
- 11:29Speaker 4: seems such a long time ago. Yes, it is. That's
- 11:31Speaker 4: five years ago already. So Jordan Clachton is a he's
- 11:35Speaker 4: a lightning rod. You put him in the game, and
- 11:38Speaker 4: last night he performed. He made those three point shots,
- 11:41Speaker 4: and he was aggressive offensively and he did a lot
- 11:44Speaker 4: of good things in that Also, by the way, he's
- 11:47Speaker 4: a native of San Antonio who's going back home. And
- 11:50Speaker 4: so these are all parts of the players how they think.
- 11:53Speaker 4: And I play in Game three, usually in the second
- 11:57Speaker 4: quarter with the nyfting to do. They need to get
- 12:00Speaker 4: Jellen brunts in a mental health break. There's so much
- 12:03Speaker 4: missed up. Again, he's only six to two people, you know.
- 12:08Speaker 4: Philan Harper is six foot five and a half. Stefan
- 12:12Speaker 4: Tasseled six five and a half with a whole bunch
- 12:14Speaker 4: of muscle on him and Champenny. So in fantasy to
- 12:18Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson, he needs some of his teammates to come
- 12:22Speaker 4: in the game and every once in a while have
- 12:26Speaker 4: him not be the point guard, play him off the
- 12:28Speaker 4: ball on the baseline so that does not have to
- 12:30Speaker 4: advance the ball against pressure defense, and then use them
- 12:33Speaker 4: on the second side to be more offensive minded. But
- 12:37Speaker 4: also let him go in space versus he's coming down
- 12:41Speaker 4: the floor shown and they're trapping him and they're bidying him,
- 12:44Speaker 4: which is perfectly legal. In the playoffs, and mentally he's
- 12:48Speaker 4: almost like exhausted and the possession and in the last
- 12:51Speaker 4: five seconds he has to square the chaos. It's so
- 12:54Speaker 4: hard to do that. He needs helping his teammates.
- 12:58Speaker 3: If you're giving the bulk of that respet responsibility to
- 13:01Speaker 3: one teammate, if you're saying, hey, you pull a guy
- 13:04Speaker 3: aside after a shoot around after practice and you say, look,
- 13:08Speaker 3: we're going to get Brunson an extra three four minutes
- 13:12Speaker 3: tomorrow night, and we're going to let him reset. We're
- 13:14Speaker 3: going to take a little stress off him. And that
- 13:16Speaker 3: means I need more from you. Who are you giving
- 13:19Speaker 3: that duty?
- 13:21Speaker 4: Ernobi Narnobi's quiet. He got twenty eight last night. He
- 13:25Speaker 4: was quiet, and so nnob I would try to get
- 13:28Speaker 4: him and once in a while, besides not as the
- 13:31Speaker 4: primary port handler, but on the first side of the floor,
- 13:34Speaker 4: almost like this, once in a while get him in
- 13:36Speaker 4: a mid post up game where and then spread the
- 13:39Speaker 4: floor with the shooters they have and make Ren Beyonber
- 13:43Speaker 4: make a decision. Do I double team him in the
- 13:46Speaker 4: lane and then expose the back line as far as
- 13:49Speaker 4: a kickout pass, or do I let him back down
- 13:52Speaker 4: and I call it a shoulder to shoulder and then
- 13:54Speaker 4: elevate over the top because when because he can score
- 13:58Speaker 4: the ball, and that he is also a good three
- 14:00Speaker 4: point shooter, and he's an effective, a clever velocity driver,
- 14:05Speaker 4: and so that would give brunts and again not all
- 14:07Speaker 4: the time, but will say three to five possessions a game,
- 14:12Speaker 4: especially in the fourth early fourth quarter. They give brunts
- 14:16Speaker 4: and the chance to write, to recalibrate this thing. That's
- 14:19Speaker 4: so much the mental part of this. That's why these
- 14:21Speaker 4: guys are so amazing. Let's not forget Victor went beyond
- 14:24Speaker 4: the Seawan is twenty two years old, Castle is twenty one.
- 14:28Speaker 4: These guys are so young as far as living on Earth,
- 14:32Speaker 4: and now they're trying to do something that's spectacular that
- 14:36Speaker 4: will be one for the ages. And that's how unique
- 14:39Speaker 4: this thing called the NBA Playoffs says, there's nothing like it.
- 14:43Speaker 4: I had the pleasure to be involved in coaching a
- 14:45Speaker 4: one hundred and forty nine playoff games, so I say,
- 14:48Speaker 4: with all sincerity firsthand, there's like nothing like this.
- 14:51Speaker 1: Shaun, Who's gonna win Game four?
- 14:59Speaker 4: Nickt Knicks? And then Game five back in back in
- 15:05Speaker 4: San Antonio, and then game six. I'll tell you, in
- 15:08Speaker 4: a few days, we'll we'll let.
- 15:11Speaker 1: It play out at least that far. Gordy, what's your
- 15:14Speaker 1: list to think about this?
- 15:15Speaker 4: By game? About Michael Jordan? All right, so here's the
- 15:19Speaker 4: beauty of this thing called again the playoffs. So the
- 15:24Speaker 4: lesson this happened show was nineteen ninety three, okay, nineteen
- 15:28Speaker 4: ninety three, where three straight playoff as far as final games,
- 15:35Speaker 4: the visiting team won. So the last time it happened
- 15:39Speaker 4: was thirty three years ago. That was the iconic series
- 15:43Speaker 4: with Phoenix Suns and Chicago Bulls. And that's what Jordan
- 15:48Speaker 4: scored fifty five points in a playoff game, which was
- 15:51Speaker 4: not his playoff high. One time, Jordan scored fifty three
- 15:54Speaker 4: points inst the Celtics in a playoff game. And so
- 15:57Speaker 4: both teams in that series, Charles Balky versus Michael Jordan,
- 16:01Speaker 4: the visiting team won the first three games. So this
- 16:04Speaker 4: shows you right now that it really happens. But it's
- 16:07Speaker 4: happening right now in front of us with the Spurs
- 16:10Speaker 4: and the Nickelbockers.
- 16:13Speaker 1: What's your list today, Gordon?
- 16:15Speaker 4: The list today, Sean, Again, this is about three point shooting,
- 16:21Speaker 4: both for you and against you. The most Korea made
- 16:25Speaker 4: three point shots in NBA Finals history. So it's only
- 16:30Speaker 4: twelve players listed here, So most Korea made three point
- 16:34Speaker 4: shots in NBA Finals history. Remember now, most of these
- 16:38Speaker 4: three point shots are hotly contested by challenging defense d'uring
- 16:43Speaker 4: the playoffs, and you're a three point shooter, there's very
- 16:46Speaker 4: few rhythm threes that trying to make you make a
- 16:49Speaker 4: shot in the contested hand, which is so remarkable. Here
- 16:53Speaker 4: we go eleventh all time, Michael Jordan and Mono Janobili.
- 16:57Speaker 4: They made forty two threes in NBA Finals. Number ten,
- 17:03Speaker 4: Kevin Durant made forty three threes NBA Finals, tied for eighth.
- 17:08Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher made forty eight threes NBA
- 17:13Speaker 4: Finals Number seven at the privese to coach this guy,
- 17:17Speaker 4: Ray Allen made fifty five threes, including the one start
- 17:22Speaker 4: in two thousand and fourteen where he backpedaled and made
- 17:25Speaker 4: the three for the Mammy Heat. Number six, Big Shot
- 17:29Speaker 4: Rob Robert Horry has made fifty six final three point shots,
- 17:34Speaker 4: number four all time. Both these guys were specialists. They
- 17:38Speaker 4: excelled in it. J R. Smith and Danny Green made
- 17:42Speaker 4: fifty nine to three point shots Number three. He plays
- 17:46Speaker 4: for the Lakers as we speak. He's been in ten
- 17:49Speaker 4: NBA finals, the last time was in the Bubble and
- 17:53Speaker 4: twenty twenty Lebron James. He has made one hundred and
- 17:56Speaker 4: one three point shots the last two sean We know
- 18:00Speaker 4: very well. They did it with the Golden State Warriors.
- 18:04Speaker 4: They're called the Splash Brothers. You can make a discussion
- 18:07Speaker 4: the best ever shooting duo history of basketball as a
- 18:11Speaker 4: as A as A as a twosome. Klay Thompson second
- 18:15Speaker 4: old time. He made one hundred and six three point
- 18:18Speaker 4: shots in the finals and the number one player of
- 18:21Speaker 4: all time to make the most ever finals Three is
- 18:24Speaker 4: Steph Curry with one hundred and fifty two three point shots.
- 18:30Speaker 4: That's my list of today and at this Steph Curry
- 18:33Speaker 4: one time. Steph Curry made ninety three point shots in
- 18:37Speaker 4: the finals game against the Cleveland Cavaliers in twenty eighteen.
- 18:43Speaker 4: So out of that one fifty two he made one time,
- 18:46Speaker 4: he made nine against the Cats. Thus that's my list
- 18:49Speaker 4: of today.
- 18:50Speaker 1: Nine is that the record in the finals?
- 18:53Speaker 2: Yes?
- 18:54Speaker 4: Nine? Yet nine?
- 18:55Speaker 1: Did Dan Marley hit eight one time in the list? Okay?
- 19:00Speaker 4: Yeah? It just shows you how how brilliant these guys are.
- 19:03Speaker 4: So the question is always this is you want to
- 19:06Speaker 4: shoot threes by out of the rhythm and that the
- 19:08Speaker 4: defense is so unbelievable fierce against you. You've got to
- 19:13Speaker 4: stay true to your form. And it all starts with footwork.
- 19:16Speaker 4: I just described perfectly Klay Thompson and Steph Curry how
- 19:20Speaker 4: this guy's really do it. There's nothing like it as
- 19:23Speaker 4: far as making rainbow freese.
- 19:27Speaker 3: Gordia, you're the man. I always appreciate your time. We'll
- 19:29Speaker 3: see you on Thursday.
- 19:29Speaker 4: All right, Thanks Sean peased out.
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