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SkyDemon v two new apps. - The FLYER Show - 26 February 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to the flight show from Watts Week where it's uncharacteristically sunny outside.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: People are aviating.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: My name is Ian Seeger.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_05: My name's Ed Higgs, and I'm Dave Cordovitt.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_03: Later on in the show we'll be taking a look at kind of pre-flight briefing.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_03: Not too much of the heavy, serious stuff that you learn about with all those things, but about how you can inform yourself about the place you're going to.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: There's a couple of options that have come along, so we'll be taking a look.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: But first, huge thank you to Sky Demon.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much, Sky Demon, for supporting the show.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: And here is this week's top tip.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, I'm Rob from Sky Demon, and here's another top tip.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: The radio tab is designed so that in flight you always have a list of frequencies you can talk to based on your current position and direction of flight.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: Under Frequencies Now, you should nearly always see at least one green entry, which is for flight information services.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: You may also see pink entries for frequency monitoring codes and entries for other airspace you're inside.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Under Frequencies Next, you'll see frequencies for any airspace that you're flying towards or for the next flight information service.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: You'll also see the frequencies for your takeoff airfield, if you're still close to it, and your landing airfield.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: Finally, the top of the list is the latest QH available from a meter issued by a nearby airfield.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: For more information, check out our website www.skydemon.ero.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_03: Everything you ever wanted to know about the radio tab.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm always useful.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_04: And especially of course, if you're really lucky and you have the um you have one of the blue if you have a radio.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_04: If you have a radio with a Bluetooth device, then you can do the brilliant thing of pushing the frequency from your iPad to your radio.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: That is very good.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think I'd like to be able to do that.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's not entirely legit on a certified aircraft.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but um certainly in a in in my world of permit, I I've enjoyed that on many aeroplanes recently.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I think it's a great thing.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um should we uh should we see what Simon has in store for us with the weather?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_04: Because I am really hopeful of something a little bit better.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: Me too.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, Simon.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Evening everyone.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Hope that you are well this evening and getting ready for the weekend.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've got some good news for you.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Now, it may be that it's next week before we see a big improvement in the weather, but things are looking better next week.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: But let's get the weekend out of the way first of all.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm gonna show you the detailed charts from the icon EU model.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna start off with tomorrow, and uh the times are here, top right hand corner.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see how it's wet across many parts of England and Wales first thing on Friday morning.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: But notice that rain clears away very slowly eastwards and then kind of rejuvenates again into the afternoon.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I think for many parts of the Midlands, for southern England, for central, southern parts of Wales, we are going to be in with rather a uh a wet day, periods of rain throughout, generally non-ver.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: A few showers across central and western parts of Scotland, but in between, not too bad.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Just need to watch out for one or two showers.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: But northern England, east and southern Scotland faring best.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: And apart from a few showers for the far south-east of England, better here, but some heavy showers getting into the far south west of England too.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a bit of a mess through Friday.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, Saturday.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Still got the remnants of that rain around, as you can see there on Saturday morning across central and eastern areas, but it does finally get a bit of a kick and through the afternoon generally clears away towards the east.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: However, I do think that eastern Scotland, northeast England, central and eastern parts of England are going to be seeing some heavy showers through the afternoon.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: They will fade much later towards the evening.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: More western areas look as if they are going to fare better.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Typical bases in the west, three to four thousand feet, tops at about 10,000 feet.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: Eastern areas probably non-ver, then becoming marginal in the afternoon.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: Bases that are a thousand to two thousand feet, tops at 15 to 20,000 feet in those heavy showers, but as I say, tending to ease later on in the day.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Now on Sunday, we're going to be finding more rain coming into the west through the course of Sunday.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: That spreads its way eastwards.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: There is, excuse me, some uncertainty over the timing of this, so just be aware of that.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that rain does spread eastward, weakening and turning more showery as it goes.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that East Angler and South East England actually get away with it and stay dry.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: And probably central and northeastern areas to see the rain fading into the afternoon.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: So by the end of the afternoon, it's probably just going to be western Scotland, northwest England, Wales, but to see showers elsewhere, broken cloud.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: And bases in the afternoon around two to three thousand feet, tops at eight to ten thousand feet in the west, they are going to be lower because of those showers.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sunday really is one of those you need to watch the forecast carefully for because the weather changes during the day and those bases change significantly.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I do feel that probably it's one of those that even Saturday and Sunday both days probably are best only for local flying.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: But like I say, things are getting better as we get into next week.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Pressure is building and a far better situation ahead.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, I'll have more of that for you next week.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm just about to announce my next uh Aviation Weather School online part one date.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: So if you want me to let you know about those, use the QR code you see on the screen there or go to weatherschool.co.uk, use the contact form and just let me know that you want me to tell you when the dates are announced.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no commitment, nothing at all.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just let you know as soon as those dates are announced.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll leave you with that for now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you're doing, have a great, have a safe flying weekend, and uh I'll be back with you next week.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Bye for now.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's a mixed bag.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: Seems to be the way at the moment.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: It is, isn't it?
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: Should we have some news?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, it must be time for news.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: Who's up for Dave?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: You're yes.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_05: Well, unfortunately, I've got some bad news.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_05: Last Thursday we heard uh a rumour that Andrews Aviation, the company that runs Andrewsfield Airfield, uh was closing.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_05: And on by Friday morning we'd had that confirmed.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um so the Andrews Andrewsfield Aviation is the business that runs the office, the cafe, the flight school, the clubhouse, uh, and operates the airfield.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_05: The runway was actually already closed because it's waterlogged and was having some maintenance done to it, but it's going to remain closed under under no TAM.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh they have said that based aircraft can stay there for the moment, but anyone flying in or out is doing it at their own risk.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_05: There's no reason given yet for the closure.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Mike Rowland, one of the directors, told us that uh sadly we cannot say any more at this time.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_05: We are looking at all options.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_05: The company says it will work with students currently in training to identify suitable alternatives.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_05: Not good.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I haven't and I must admit, normally when when this kind of thing happens, there's lots of rumours and lots of stuff talked about this.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: This is they've done a really good job of keeping the lid on things.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_05: There's nothing appearing on any forums or places we normally look, yeah.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_05: Did you know I I when I was doing a little bit of background research on Andrewsfield, I found out that it was actually once, well, in World War II, it was a huge American base with six hard runways.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_05: Six.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_05: Six.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_05: And the longest of which was six thousand three hundred feet long.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_05: It had s uh fifty aircraft hard standings.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_05: And it was the first of fourteen uh uh airfields built built by the US to uh class A bomber status.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it was a big, big um B-17 bomber base during the war, wasn't it?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_05: Well I well I I'd seen something there, but I hadn't realised it was such a huge place.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_04: And obviously it'll I I think nowadays you don't necess necessarily see the full extent of what the airfield was, because I'm guessing some of it has has been dug up, some of it's buried.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_05: Well, after the war, these 14 airfields apparently were built temporarily for war duration.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um and the the runways were were dug up.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah um but there's probably signs here and there.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, almost certainly.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it's it's it's it's part of the part of the fascinating airfield heritage of the UK.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_04: Especially over in that air in the east of east of the UK.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_03: Around Norfolk and Lincolnshire, like you can't move without bumping into an old airfield.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_03: Into an old bomber base.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_05: Actually, it's the same in Gloucestershire, where I'm I now know it as Bloucestershire as we know, but uh it's the same there.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_05: There's airfields everywhere.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_05: There are old ones, rather.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I know.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: There's yeah, the the the the traces of old airfields linger, don't they?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_04: So um yeah, one of the fun things to fly around.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely right.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_04: From uh from from things of old um to uh things very new, um TechNam have uh have created a mosaic.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: And that must be nice.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_04: Was that in their reception?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, no, no, it's a it's a whole range of aeroplanes uh spelt with a K, Mosaic 59, is their response to the um uh the mosaic package from the FAA last year, which was the the big revolutionary modernization of special airworthiness certification regulations.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um and basically TechNam have gone, you know, let's take all our airplanes, because you can have a range of aeroplanes, but sometimes, especially if you're a foreign manufacturer, actually making it clear to people that all of this stuff fits the regs can be a bit confusing.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: So they've just gone, actually, all of these, the whole the whole Mosaic 59 reg range, all built to meet the mosaic requirements, including uh do you remember the Astore, the very beautiful um, which was there was it was a low-wing two seat side-by-side aeroplane.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um originally had 100 horsepower, I think.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: Now, so they're making that for mosaic with the Rotex 916.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_04: I bet that's that's that's that's that'll be a real fun machine, I think.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: So and it's a great look at one of the best looking things on the Technam fleet.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: Where does the what does the 59 come into it then?
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, it's the stall speed.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_05: Ah under mosaic.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know why they used a K though for their spelling, apart from to be different.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_05: Well, they they they've always got a reason, Technam.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_05: They don't do anything.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: They are.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: I mean uh I think um Technam are just that they have never you've never been shy of driving things forward, have they?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: They are all they're always there with a product, always there with something new and exciting.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_03: I reckon they're probably also one of the most efficient manufacturers around, because they they they've got that nailed.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it's obviously exciting, yeah, because of it's there, it's one of the it's the the the TechNam era arrow, isn't it?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: So we should see a whole bunch of exciting technical at Bridgers Haven.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: Good coffee arrow on the TechNam stand, we just won't be able to sleep for three days.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah, it's pretty soon.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: That will come in on the arrow anyway, won't it?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um right, okay.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: So it's that time of the year where we get the figures for 2025 from Gamma, the shipment figures.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Now, this is not really the whole industry, because there are some people who don't play with gamma.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: And if they don't play with gamma, they don't have to report the results.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_04: And Gamma, Gamma is the General Aviation Manufacturers Association.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's it's a it's a lobbying industry body in Washington, and they probably have lots of power breakfasts, I imagine.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_03: They're the kind of people who would have power breakfasts.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, sometimes you need a big shoulders.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're that kind of people really.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: But they do they do loads of good stuff as well as that.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, so they've released their annual figures of 2025.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: We normally have a bit of a quiz.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: Something a little bit different this year.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: We'll just run through a few things.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um first of all, bizjets in value grew the market more than j more than pistons and General Avian.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: Unsurprisingly, because you know there are some bizjets out there that cost an awful lot of money.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_03: More than we could muster.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: I I I am I I I'm guessing some of the business, some of the big busjets probably represent the entire spend on GA piston aircraft in one single cycle.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Probably not far off.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: Probably not far off.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: So basically it was up 14%, which is a chunk of change.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: So that's taking it to just over 31 billion dollars.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: So the world spent clearly spent more because there's other people who aren't involved, but through the gamma companies, 31 billion dollars on buying their airplanes.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Which is pretty damn impressive, I thought.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: But what about little aeroplanes?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: The ones that we're interested in.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, a couple of questions, first of all.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_03: How do you reckon the piston singles and piston twins mix in terms, you know, what how how many piston singles do you think were sold in totality in 2025?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: I'm guess I'm gonna say uh twenty twenty percent were piston twins, the remainder were singles.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: I've got to do a quick calculation now, haven't I?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: Did you want absolute numbers?
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: You're wrong.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't know.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Just give me a ballpark figure.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not expecting it.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: This is not closest to the ball's eye or anything.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_05: Uh 1700.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: 1700?
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: What what's that relate to?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that piston aircraft.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: Piston aircraft.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, not too not a million miles away.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_03: There were 1,585 singles and 197 twins.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_05: I do have to acknowledge the fact that I've wrote the thing, so I didn't think.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: So that's called cheating.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's called cheating.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: Interestingly, interestingly, um out of that 197 twins, how many do you think were delivered or were manufactured in the US?
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's a good point because probably Diamond are the ones who are making the most used by flight schools at the moment.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna say oh well, I was gonna say did Beech make one baron or two barons?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_04: But of course then you're forgetting that actually Piper make a lot of seminols.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_04: Seminoles, yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_04: So um I'm guessing 50% of those were US?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, out of the uh 197 twins delivered, 32 were from the US.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: And 165 were from Europe.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: Uh which I'm guessing we're saying well done diamond.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well done diamond and Technam, not for the time.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, yeah.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: The P2012.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_03: And the twenty and the two thousand and six.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: The little training market.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's yeah, Europe is leading the way when it comes to piston twins.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, right, moving on.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: The big four.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: I want you to tell me.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: And Dave's written this and had a look through the figures, but you may or may not remember.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: Out of the big who would you say is the biggest per the biggest number of pistoning piston?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: Easy Cirrus.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_03: Easy Cirrus, yep, correct.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: Cirrus delivered 797 aircraft.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: Although there were, excuse me, 100.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, that I was right on 797.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's a really good total.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: It is a good total, isn't it?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: And uh are people still buying mostly range toppers?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the SR22T turbo version is by far the biggest seller in terms of volume.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: And uh who so who came second behind Seras Then?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um Textron.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: 639 for Textron.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well and then third place, we're gonna keep going for a little while.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_05: I would say Piper.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Piper, correct.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_03: 291 for Piper.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then two more.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow, now we're getting into the weeds.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh call them weeds.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: Diamond?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: Diamond, yeah.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Technam.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Diamond and Technam.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: You got it.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: Diamond uh 235, Technam 216.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: In terms of the single type, yeah.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um which which type delivered the most?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: We're talking we're talking about the single type, not not overall.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um again, it's got to be the 2022 T, isn't it?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: SR22.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: The SR22, I mixed up together the 22 and the 22T.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's uh 539, which is you know, good number.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: On the basis that most of those they're like eight or nine hundred thousand dollars upwards?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, they're upwards, yeah.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: They're not most of those.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Sirius don't tell us what the average price is, of course.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: But um it's got to be north of a million dollars.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_05: And not many of those would be going to flight schools, they'd be individuals.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's pretty good.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then if you drop it goes down quite away from the five hundred and thirty-nine, um, and the one seven two is the next one.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: What do you reckon the one seven two did?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh a couple hundred?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, not bad, 191.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Well that is and I I would be very surprised if any of those went to actual Did you reckon any private owners actually went out and bought a 172 of their own?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: Uh there might be one or two.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: Might be one or two.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_04: Probably not that many.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think I would I would guess if you were buying something of that L, you'd probably end up buying a 182, wouldn't you?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: And you would.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, don't forget the 172 and the 182.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: I've got the new modern interior that Dave reviewed for us at Oshcrosh a couple of years ago.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Get really excited about the it's amazing.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like plastic cards and everything.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then uh coming down from there, the one below that is PA28, the venerable PA28, they sold 188.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: So it's not a million miles off the 191.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm guessing that.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: If I sell another three, you'd have like is that the I'm guessing most of those were probably that they they do that real The Cadet 100.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_04: The Cadet 100, don't they?
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Which is trading seats only.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: They they m the numbers are blended, so you can't tell which are the PA28s and which is the 100i.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: The 100i is factory only, you can't buy there's not enough margin in it to go through a dealer, even.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um right.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: Last last but least on this, yeah.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: There were some surprising numbers in there, I thought.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: On the there would the good apart from Boeing Biz Jets who didn't deliver any, there were no one list there's no one listed that sort of scored a duck this year.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: Presumably because a bunch of the people you scored a duck in the past are no longer represented.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um unfortunately.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um but let's have a c a couple of people.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: What do you reckon icon sold?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: In 2025, delivered, I should say.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_05: Well, they got a new owner and they're sort of like.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: And they're certified.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_04: And they're certified.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_05: So I'd say probably about I would say about twenty.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: Twenty?
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I would would have gone somewhere around.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Nope.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Three! Three! Three three! One, two, three.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, cracky.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_05: There's not, there's not, no.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder how that pays the bills.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh not very well.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: Scratch all the surface.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: Game bird.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Very specialist market.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but they are really they are I'd say they're really doing really well.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm I think they've they've sold their I want to say they've sold their 200 therapy.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: No, 100 therapy.
• 19:03
  unknown: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not giving it away.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_04: Great face, poker face.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm gonna go 50 aeroplanes.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_05: I I wouldn't say it's as many as that.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_05: I'd I would have said around 30.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_05: 13.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_05: 13.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, lower than I thought it would be as well.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but they I mean extra was something like twenty-four.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_04: That is a surprise.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: I d well, I I guess if anything, then that that shows the power of power of good social media, because I I've all I ever seem to see is game birds.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: So there you go.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_04: And last, the last kid Joanna Bell's not here.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: Make myself laugh.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: And then the last question: how many Venice Electros in 2025 were delivered?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_05: I think the steam has got out of that a bit.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: Six.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: Steam?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_05: So the energy has gone out of that that bit.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_05: I I'd have said two.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: You're both wrong.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: One.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_05: All right, all right.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_04: Do we think that's dead?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's kind of it's the certified electric aircraft, it's out there, there's a lot of people doing a lot of work, but it's it's got a very, very limited endurance.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: It has.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: That is the problem with it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: And it really needs if it doubled its endurance, but I could it would be a winner.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: But okay, it might have limited endurance, but it's like there's nothing else has come along and you go, I'll have this instead now, because this is the new choice, is it?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: There is no No, well it's answering a question that not many people want need need answering at the moment, really, isn't it?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: No or not many people need answering at the cost at which it answers that question.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder what yeah, I wonder what is going to be the next one.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we'll be off to Aero soon.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm sure there's gonna be lots of things there.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um we'll be talking about that before we're gonna be able to do that.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's a diamond year as well.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: So so hopefully we'll see they're usually electrically innovative, aren't they?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_05: That hall's gonna be pegged.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: A4.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Looking forward to it.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_03: Looking forward to it.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's the end of that's the end of the news, because not a huge amount of news at the moment.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um partly because I think a whole load of people are going, I'm gonna save this for Aero and Sun and Fun and stuff like that.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:17
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• 21:32
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• 21:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um Do you want to do landing fees?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Let's do landing fees.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_04: We've got what we've got the last couple of days of February.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we've got last couple of days of February, um, which is uh Chroma uh Cape Beck Farm and Netherhorpe.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: Hombeck.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: Nether yes, Holmbeck.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: And Netherhorpe and Sherbin and Albert.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_04: And in March.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_05: Wait ne in March we've got confirmed Oaksey Park.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: That's a great one.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_04: That is good.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_04: And there and Oaksey are in because they want to make a big noise about the fact that they've got UL94.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um they were getting last I heard they were on the cusp of having that ready, though it was still wasn't quite saleable, but they've got their set their browsers set up.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: So hopefully maybe by the time fly club members fly in there, you might be able to buy UL94.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: And hopefully the weather's going to get better, so that will be good.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_05: Then we've got Cumbernaud.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um we want to mention that it's their 60th anniversary this year.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: Happy birthday, Cumbernauld.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_05: There's Dornock, which is right up in the northeast of Scotland.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um we've been asked to mention Dornock has begun a revival under the manage of local GA enthusiast and professional pilot Huey Urkutt.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_05: I looked it up.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_05: How you pronounce it.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: Very good.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, what's what's Huey up to?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_05: He's got the easiest PPR system for no notice dropping in.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_05: That sounds to me like no notice.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: Come in, eat and stay, it says here.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_05: And also Stra Straven.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_05: Straven.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_05: Do you know?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_05: I never know how do I say that one.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know the other thing about Dornock?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's I I looked, I did look it up.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's good.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's um I think it's something like five miles from Easter.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, so you're not going to Dornock and not going to Easter, right?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_03: If I went to Dornock and I didn't make it to Easter, that would be I would expect David Eads to come around and remove you from physically from his Christmas card list.
• 23:56
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• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: So I think I think a script a script a strip a trip to Scotland is well overdrew anyway.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: 2026, it's happening.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: So and I think I think I remember rightly, Annabelle, who organized this for us, said that the value if you land at all of them, the value is something like 79 quid.
• 24:19
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• 24:20
  SPEAKER_05: £74?
• 24:21
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• 24:21
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• 24:25
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• 24:26
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• 24:27
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• 24:27
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• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's time to get into the meat of the show.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Which is which is there's been a there's been a few apps that have kind of appeared and have become a little bit established recently to help in kind of briefing, not so much in the the official flight planning stage of it, but in the knowing a bit about your destination.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you Google for flight planning, then you'll just get a very boring CIA document.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we should probably mention the boring.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: We'll mention that at the beginning, but at the moment, I want you all to just close your eyes while we magically get our computers out and come back to you and talk to you about all of that stuff.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Go just like magic, we're back.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: We've got our laptops, we're kind of almost ready to go.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: Ed's there with an iPad, the venerable Sky Demon, which you all know and love.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: So let's take a quick look at this.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm up first, but before I go into that, I think it's probably worth saying, just to save too many people saying it in the comments, that the official source for airfields is really the AIP.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: You can go onto the AIP, you can look at that's where you're going to get the stuff in the way of these things.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: It is not the most helpfully presented document.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of stuff to wade through.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: But once you kind of get to know your way around it, it's actually pretty damn useful to be honest.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you can download the AIP for any country to to sort of like Sky Demon so you always have access to it.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: There, that is the place to look.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: If you're looking at something that's a bit critical, maybe trusting a website is not the best plan.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: So uh that's the proper side of it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: Then you've got what we can call, I don't want to call it the unproper side of it, let's call it the supplementary side of it, shall we?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: The the kind of places that you might go.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I'm up first on this one.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: Having said to everybody, please don't tap on your laptops because it will make a noise on the table.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: I've just typed on the laptops.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: And that is uh it's called a the web address is airfieldfinder.app.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's not actually an app that you can install on your phone, but it's a website, or at least I mean if it is, I couldn't find it.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it effectively, yeah.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let me see if I can organize to record the screen here.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so here you go.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh this this works in a way where you have plan your next land away and you type into the box the kind of air where you're leaving from.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I happen to be at Wadswick, I'm gonna put in Wadswick.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and it brings up uh some sliders, as you can see, and you can decide, okay, how far do I want to fly?
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: You can set it anywhere from between 15 minutes up to five hours.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll go for I don't know, two and a half hours.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: We can only go two and a half hours.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Then you can set a cruise speed, let's say 120 knots.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Seems like a decent speed, doesn't it?
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um what kind of runways do you want?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want all hardened grass or do you just want hard or grass?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Whatever.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go for hard in this particular think I think winter.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: I think winter, and I'm gonna go, I don't know, I want uh sixty six hundred metres or more.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: And there it gives you the list of all of the airfields.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: So and it it orders them in in terms of distance.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: So you've got Gloucestershire, Bournemouth, Cardiff, Oxford, Southampton.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: You can look through and go, oh, I fancy going to those places.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: If you want to know a little bit more about it, you click on there.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um and as you can see, it gives you a nice little map of the airfield, gives you a web address, gives you some phone numbers, gives you the Metar, uh, some pilot tips.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: In this particular case, there are no pilot tips because no one's shared one, and tells you about the restaurants, not at St.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: Athen necessarily, but in and around St.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: Athen and some hotels and stuff like that.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: And so other things to do.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: Here's a competition, who knows?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Apparently, things to do near St.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Athen.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: There's a place 12 kilometres away called Stacy's House.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: Don't know what's going on at Stacy's House.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm guessing that might be to do with the BBC TV series Gavin and Stacy.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: Because St Athens over in Wales and Barry Island?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if I um maybe maybe someone in the comments can confirm, but I think that's what that might be.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_04: Have you been to Stacy's house?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_04: But so basically, so you've got yours is a uh like a web um web uh what's the word?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_04: Accumulate it's like website.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's uh an aggregator.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_03: Aggregator, there we go, yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: So Yeah, aggregate some stuff, and it has I mean, there's a couple of things that I find a little bit strange about it, to be perfectly honest.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: We're we're going from Wurzbick, we've got for two and a half hours, and it should list all of the airfields that you can go to.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, for some reason, for example, Henstridge doesn't appear here.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: And Henstridge is probably 20, 25 minutes south.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, useful.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_04: Has fuel, has hard runway.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: Has fuel, has hard runway, has has all sorts of things.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it it's a little bit strange for for stuff like that.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um but there you go.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it that's it is what it is.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's it's kind of not a so you got have you got weather on there?
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: So it's got weather on there.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: Any webcams?
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: No that I could find.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um it does give you the the website of the airfield, so you might be able to find it from there.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I think it's I would say it's an interesting app that you can go to, take a look, learn some stuff, maybe find some other stuff about.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Probably if you're getting that, where should I go?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Kind of thing.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um I probably wouldn't use it for sort of serious pre-flow.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: And to be fair, it does say this is a destination finding tool.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Always use official published sources for flight planning.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: Because that's what people do.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, worth a look.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: And but need perhaps need some more contributions.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_05: Well, all of these what all of these ones that uh rely on pilot contributions, they need a while to get going, don't they need to get a critical mass.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's the problem, because there's now quite a few places that you can do that kind of thing, yeah.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: So the critical mass side of things is a little bit tricky.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I sometimes wonder whether you get with with many of these things, uh there's there's there's options out there, but someone says, Well, I think I could do it better.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_05: Well.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_04: And then you end up with another one.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's precisely what I found, really.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_04: So what have you found?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: I found a a German one called uh Airfield Directory.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's been launched by a chap called Thomas Witt, who's a member of AOPA in Germany.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's free.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_05: It says it's open, non-commercial, and it's built around pilot-contributed reports.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_05: The idea is to make essential flight planning intelligence easily accessible to European pilots.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_05: So it covers all of Europe.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_05: That's the idea.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_05: It launched just four months ago, and so far, apparently, there are more than 540 pilot-written airfield reports covering various destinations.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: It also includes practical data such as landing fees, fuel availability, fuel prices, and notes, runway conditions, noise abatement, and stuff like that.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_05: And interestingly, it's multilingual.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_05: It automatically translates uh any contributions into German, English, Spanish, French, Italian, and Dutch.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_05: I'm guessing it's using uh Google Translate or something like that to do that.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_05: And it all operates under an open creative license, uh similar to Wikipedia.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_05: This one, Airfield Directory.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, I went um looking to use it, and it's got a simple search box.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: You'd put in the name of the airfield or airport you're looking for.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: And in this case, uh I've gone for Gap Tallard, um, and it's one of those airfields which absolutely everything is going on.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's got um helicopter operations, it's got single-engine piston aircraft going in and out, it's got gliders, it's got parachuting, absolutely everything.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_05: On the approach, uh there's a blinking great lump of rock, which is what limits the uh the operations there.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_05: You have to dodge around that on the way on the approach, and obviously on the way out, you have to do the same.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_05: But anyway, this is Gap and it's Does he mention that loop, that rock in that in the app?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh because that seems like a fairly critical piece of information.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_05: Well, unfortunately, there's no pile up comments as yet being added, but I could certainly add it at some point.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_05: You could see it if you blow up the if you blow up the map, you could probably see it quite easily.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_05: So just pressing this bit here and then scrolling back down again, and the blinking great lap of rock is just around there.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's a shame that there's no pilot comments as yet, and I'm not I'm a bit surprised there's none as yet because that is such a popular place to go.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Is this a relatively new site though?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, it's only been up there four months.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay, right.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_03: So it's been I I I took a look at that as well, and I I have to say it it looks quite nice, and there's some some good stuff in it.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: It I think I'm right in saying one of the statements was it opened up by saying that you know the trouble is these days you have to go to websites here, websites there, PPR here, PPR there.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and this is the place that brings it all together.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: So this is like yet another place that you have to get.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like because it doesn't actually do it fully for everywhere either.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: So places like Big In Hill, for example, I'm pretty sure you have to go and get an account on the Big In Hill website to get all the PPR and stuff there.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: Right and other bits and pieces.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I think as with all of these things, a little bit like EC, isn't it?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: It keeps popping up all over the place with slightly different versions that don't all cover everything, which is really what you want.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_04: I did see that I I think there was an AeroOps PPR option.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, um so I'm guessing there's there's there's a there's a link there.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_04: If if an airfield I guess if an airfield uses AeroOps.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um But if you yeah, if so the things here, like there's fuel fuel availability.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_05: It's got a place for airport webcams.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: If you look at Popham, for example, on there.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_05: Let's have a quick look at Popham.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: What does it say about fuel availability at Popham?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_05: It says uh have gas 100 LL.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: So no mention of the fact that you have UL91.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_04: And that's a pretty well-known film, yeah.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, sounds missing.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_04: I do see they've there's uh a couple of webcams there.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, which looks quite nice there, actually, at the moment.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_05: It does, doesn't it?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go flying.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_05: No, it's it it's yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's a bit of a shame they haven't got the unleaded uh thing in there.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_05: Do you think that's because AirOps aren't who are supplying the diesel here?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, they haven't.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but um You can see again, they haven't got any pilot comments as yet for Popum, uh, but they do have a description of it.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_05: And they've got nearby airfields, which uh quite useful.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of useful links.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh there's an uh an online PPR form you could add here, tick here.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_03: You don't need PPR Popum.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean not to say that's a good point, yeah.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_05: That's cause it yes, you're right, it's very they're very open about that, aren't they?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_05: Very easy.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_04: So in a way that's made it more complex.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: Or confusing at least.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_05: But if you were looking for an airfield, say somewhere where you had no idea what was there.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: Let's go to a place I know in France called Pamier.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_05: So it'd be quite hard to find out about this it this this airport, I think.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_05: It's Pamier le Poujol.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_05: It's on the it's on the road from Pamier le Town to Carcassonne, yeah.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: Um which is a nice area of France.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um no pilot comments there yet either.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_04: I know it could be that could just be because it's new.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: It is.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_05: If it's only been going four months, it's only been going over the winter, really.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: So no it's uh and I see on that, and it doesn't there's no fuel information.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_04: There is a webcam at least.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: It if you're planning a if you're planning a trip big trip around Europe, it could be a useful place to go.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean I think for for all of these all of these websites add a certain amount, don't they?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: But um none of them at the moment.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh for me anyway, none of them are going, okay, this is this is where you get everything you need to know.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: But let's let's let's have a look and see what see what else there is then.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I d and for me, um there was one answer, and I know this one is obviously this one isn't free and is a subscription, but Sky Demon actually do a really good job of just putting everything in the power of your tablet.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um so uh obviously uh you can get weather, frequencies, runway info, uh, and what Sky Demon does have is a frequently updated pilot notes section because obviously there's a good user base.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and obviously they've been running a long time.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_04: So um so there is there's lots of up-to-date pilots notes.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um I guess we should run a screen record, should we?
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, so uh obviously lots to look at.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_04: So obviously our favourite uh we could go uh Wadswick.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um we can draw uh pull up information for the airfield.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so we've got um obviously you've got Pooley's subscription, so you've got a Poolies plate there.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um but there's also if you haven't got that, there is a Sky Demon plate which has got up-to-date information.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and that does look to be very up-to-date.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's that's yeah, that's that is pretty accurate.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um but usefully, pilot's notes.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um, lots of notes from pilots about things that are going on at the airfield, people's experiences.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I th I always find those pretty useful um if I'm going somewhere new.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_04: Uh another really handy thing, um, there's an aerial photography section um that allows you to uh view the the site, um which if you're flying in, I think that's pretty pretty handy.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_04: I can't get that to zoom, weirdly.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um but I n something I do like, uh there is the Sky Demon measuring tool.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_04: So you can make an accurate assessment of whether the figures for the airfield are right.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I've looked on Google Maps versus Sky Demon, and I'm guessing they run some very similar bits of uh bits of kind of uh processing uh because the numbers are accurate and the same.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_04: So uh but yeah, so Sky Demon I think is pretty helpful.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_04: And if you are of the thought of it's like I don't know where to fly, I need a destination, then they have this really great tool called Find a Destination, which is down the bottom.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so you can highlight um things like it's like fuel availability.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: What do I want?
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'd like 100 LL, I'd like some UL91 as well, uh runaway availability.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: I it's you go actually I'd like at least 600 meters and it's winter, so I'd like a hard service surface right now.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um also uh I can look at um ratings, uh landing fees and facilities, and you'll see that they pop up on screen.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and again the ratings are derived from um I guess user comments and things.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and basically, so there we go, we've got various places that we can choose from um according to the things we've selected from find a destination.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's got a five.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_04: I know, yeah.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_04: And there we go, we can uh opt in and we can go, I'd like some food as well.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'd like disabled access.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: And that's that is I yeah, I know it's a paid subscription, but I think this is the most powerful and helpful tool.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_05: How is it across Europe?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh probably equally good, I would imagine.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'll tell you what, let's do do this search and see if we can put in Dave's gap.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_05: Oh it's there.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's there.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_04: And uh gap tallard.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_04: And we have we have aerial photography and we have uh approach information, lots of useful stuff there, and all the VRPs.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we've also got um there.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_04: We've got Sky Demon's own plate.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: So that looks pretty helpful.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um and obviously pilot notes.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um lots of useful notes um and recent and up to date.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_04: So yes, it's a subscription thing, but I would say and it obviously brings you not only do you have all the data there, but actually it's a very very powerful flight planning thing as well.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Of course the other thing in Sky Demon is you as I said earlier, you can download the ARP for the UK for France and get the official information there.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: As well.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_04: There's the power power of integrating so many things, I think.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it's official sources, isn't it?
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_05: All right.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: So interestingly, what's what's your kind of process if you're going somewhere somewhere new?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, personally, if it's if it's somewhere in the UK that that I'm fairly confident about, I'll definitely take a look at the Sky Demon user comments to see what people have said there.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: If it's a strip or something, which it tends to be these days, I'll obviously PPO and get a chat and a briefing from someone there.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um and if it's a if I was flying to Blackpool or something, I'd take a quick look at the AIP.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: Although, to be honest, you can get most of the information from place's official websites as well.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um But I think I don't want to be discouraging to the other people because I think there's some really good benefits in there.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: But unless you've got another official source, you're always going to have to go to the source itself.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: Be that the ARP or the Black Blackpool Airport's website, if you like, to get the information, aren't you?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_04: I guess it the th with uh websites that need uh that are driven by uh crowd comments, um then they need time.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um so that's a that's a kind of critical thing.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um that's a critical kind of thing, isn't it?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it is the it's you know, like you say, it's the it's the the aggregating thing, isn't it?
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's like so it's yes, it is useful if you only have to go to one location to get all your data, but you don't want to be qu you don't want to be questioning you know, am I getting the right data?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: The bottom line is if you only want to go to one location to get all of your data, you need to be very, very confident that that is one properly amalg properly uh amalgamated piece of information that you're getting from official sources and everything else.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: And if that's not the case, you're always gonna need to go somewhere else as well.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and and I I I think it's worth reminding people that actually there's probably still people who use the paper guides.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_04: Don't be silly.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no, there's still people who you do do a paper plug, don't you?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_04: My all my plugs are digital.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_04: I can't.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_04: In a museum, yeah.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_04: For flicking through.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um I I've got my poolies in your floor.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_04: You have got your poolies in digital flight.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_04: So um yeah, there's there's a lot there's a lot to say, a lot to like about.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean I think that that's an interesting point just to bring it up very briefly.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I've got the poolies in there, and Poolies has got, you know, Poolies is not the official source.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: But Poolies will has has and the same for AFE as well, yeah.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Has uh collected an awful lot of really good information.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: But it's got an editor who's put it all together, checked everything, and it's been proofread, etcetera, etc.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: And they all have restaurants and things like that.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and they run regular updates.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: And they run regular updates, but which is which means you some cost it's costing you whatever it costs you for a poolies these days.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_03: I can't remember how much I pay on there for it.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um but a chunk of change.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: Not a huge amount, but it and and if you've got a free website, the the thing is the free website's not being put together by an editor who's checking everything, who's looking at everything, double checking everything, phoning out and going, Are you sure about this?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: etc.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_03: etc.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so that's the issue.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um and ultimately the decision is whether you've got to that point where you're happy to trust that crowdsourced information or not.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: So I guess the question is, uh, what uh sources do you use?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um, do you use any particular website to help you decide on a destination or for flight planning?
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: And have you been to Stacy's house?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: That was on my that was not on my bingo list for today.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: We're back, laptops are gone.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's now onto you.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_04: What caught your eye?
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: And what did catch your eye this week?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Ian, I'm gonna turn to you first.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: I've got I've got I've got quite a short one.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: Funnily enough, it's pun intended.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's Stollfest.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_03: Stollfest is back on the 19th and 21st of June this year.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: It was at Brayton last year, and they had 75 amazing Stoll machines according to the PR.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: And this year it was a big it was a big thing.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_04: But no competition.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_03: No, but this year there is a competition run by Stoll UK, who to be honest, I don't I know nothing about we could find nothing about them either.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but hopefully we will find more out about them this year.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if you know more about Stoll UK, let us know.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_03: Give us a pointer.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, there should be running a competition there, and I didn't make I didn't make it there, but I know someone who did, and apparently it was absolutely great time.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, lots of socializing, lots of camping, lots of flying, lots of people I know, lots of celebration of which there were a number, said it was great fun.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: So hopefully with a competition as well.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_04: There was a stole flying event going on.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_03: That would be even better.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_03: A good warm-up for slate kosh, wouldn't it?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: I would like to get your tent out and test your camping stuff for sure.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, good one, that.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_04: Dave.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I spotted um something called the TMX Turbine Murphy Moose.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_05: A few years ago, quite a few years ago, actually, 20 or years ago, I went out to uh Chiliwack in British Columbia and flew the the Murphy Moose Moose at the Murphy factory.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_05: And I really loved the airplane, it's a huge, you know, four or six-seater um high wing.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_05: It was powered then by the Vedinev M14P.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's a nine-cylinder radial.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_05: And what TMX do, um, they take out the radio and replace it with a PT620.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_05: This is a version of the Pratt and Whitney turbine engine, uh, producing 550 uh shaft horsepower.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um it's got a it's got a useful load of uh 624 kilos, it's a fair chunk.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: And well, after that you won't need much of it to keep your money left in after you bought a PT6, will you?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's got a cruise speed of 160 miles an hour, max of 190.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_05: But most of all, it takes off in next to nothing.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_05: One, two, three, and you're away.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_04: And you can reverse.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, we have a little video which I'm hoping we can show.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it shows the uh it makes a great noise as well.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, turbines are brilliant, aren't they?
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_03: They are, but turbines are brilliant, but fiercely expensive.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_03: Fiercely, fiercely.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, a PT6, even you need like a hot section inspection and stuff like that.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it you could in a blink of an eye, your maintenance bill on a turbine can be quarter to a quarter of a million quid.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's not oh bloody up.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: You see how much it costs to buy a get an overhauled Lycame on Continental these things?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: Hold my beer.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_03: Quarter of a million quid.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_04: But overhaul costs for turbines probably aren't a big uh aren't aren't a big sticking point for people who go, you know, I've got one of these and I quite fancy a turbine conversion.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's true.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_05: There seem to be no shortage of customers anyway.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: It seems to be a really popular thing.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_04: Very popular.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_04: So um yeah, so uh TMX uh breathing new turbine life into uh existing mooses.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_05: And also they've just taken on the Helio Helio Courier as well.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: Which uh there is a turbine version of that.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: The Helio Stallion.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: I still haven't flown a Helio Courier.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_04: Is that is that on your uh it's on my wish list, yeah.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's uh yeah.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: I think we yeah, I mean I think there is one in the UK, but I think it was probably easier to make it happen outside of the UK.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_03: I suspect, yeah.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: Do you own a Helio courier?
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_04: Do you like the idea of taking in flying?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_04: Call us.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: Do you like the idea of going, hey in, have a go, see what you think.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_04: And that just leaves me.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_04: And um I'm gonna ask the question what do you think is the oldest aeroplane in the Piper aircraft inventory?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_05: An old cub, something like that?
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, close.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the oldest thing is probably some kind of old press to make wing ribs or something.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_04: Probably so.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_04: But they're also, besides that, you might be interested to learn that Piper have the second production E2 cub, which takes them all the way back to 1931.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um and I only discovered this because um the aeroplane has been on loan to the Vero Beach uh airport.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_04: It's hung up in their terminal.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_04: They've recently been redeveloping, so Piper have had to uh wander over there, take it apart, and take it back.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um uh but yeah, so it's been on loan for ages, uh, but yeah, it's actually part of Piper's heritage.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_04: And who knew?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_04: I I respect any company that keeps a link to their to their old stuff.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_04: And um I'm personally, I'm kind of hoping they're the end says basically this was handled by their experimental team.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I'd like to think that there's some guys in there going, you know, we need to get this flying.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_04: So that would be good.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think I know where you mean, because that's that's just before the entrance to the museum, isn't it?
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh sorry, to the restaurant, I mean.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: To the restaurant, yeah.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: To the restaurant, yeah.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_04: So um and we've been there, but I don't remember I don't w I know I've probably walked under it in the past, but um probably not taken too much notice.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, but yeah, second up um second production e2 cub.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_04: So uh well done, Piper.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: I could be older than most of the people in the restaurant, which is which is which which which would say something if you go to that restaurant, I can tell you.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so um yeah, so Piper preserving some of their heritage.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_04: Nice to see.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_03: Good job, Piper.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: Good job, Piper.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just gonna say uh big thank you to Sky Demon again for supporting this.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, team.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for watching.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_03: Have a great weekend if you get to go flying.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: Fly safe.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_03: But before that, we're gonna do some events.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oops.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: This weekend.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_05: There's a fly in St.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_05: David's fly at Swansea Airport.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the vol at the volunteers airport.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_05: Um did you hear that Snoop Dogg was at Swansea last night?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_04: Sloop Dog.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_05: Snoop Dogg.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_05: He's he's co-owner of Swansea uh football club.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_05: And uh he popped in last night.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_05: Snoop he's a he's a rapper, American rapper.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: What's what's a rapper?
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_04: Is that some is that some is that like as is that that that's the thing round of chocolate, isn't it?
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_05: I have to put up with.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, from the 1st to the 31st of March, there's an aerial treasure hunt all month uh at Gamston.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um and it must be really difficult to find Gamston.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: Still can't find it.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and the 9th to the 12th of March, there's a trade show called Verticon.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_05: This used to be known as HAI Heli Expo, uh, but now because helicopters are being challenged by EV tools and drones, they decided to mix it all up.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_05: Uh is that Atlanta in the USA?
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_03: Did I say thank you to Sky Demon?
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Sky Demon, for supporting this.
• 52:43
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• 52:44
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• 52:44
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