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Tech Friday w/ Dave Hatter - Sponsored by Intrust IT - 5/8/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Six thirty one fifty five Kercity talk station Happy Friday,
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  Speaker 1: always made well. The information may not make you happy,
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  Speaker 1: but it's valuable. Interest it dot Com is where you
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  Speaker 1: find Dave Hatter and tech Friday. You can find Dave
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  Speaker 1: online get the resources he used in support of his
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  Speaker 1: comments on this segment at LinkedIn dot com to search
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  Speaker 1: for Dave. How do you find He's got his substack
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  Speaker 1: list and he'll tell you all about it in full detail.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter, welcome back in a very happy Friday to you,
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  Speaker 1: and thank you to interest it your company for sponsoring
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  Speaker 1: this segment. Business Career says you guys are the best
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  Speaker 1: in the business when it comes to business computer needs.
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  Speaker 1: Could you have you back on sir?
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  Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian. I look forward to it each week.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, people have lost billions to social media scams, consistent
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  Speaker 1: with literally everything you've told us every week for the
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  Speaker 1: past couple of years their Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, Brian. You know, I always hate to
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  Speaker 2: be the bear or bad news, but I think it's
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  Speaker 2: good to get some external validation of this sort of thing,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I do. We'll talk about this stuff a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I do a lot of in person presentations on this,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, talk to to medium and small businesses,
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  Speaker 2: and I fully understand why people don't believe the doom.
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  Speaker 2: I understand why people don't want to think about this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it right, But I think it's
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  Speaker 2: important for folks to be able to go out and
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  Speaker 2: see these government agencies that are collecting data about these
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  Speaker 2: incidents and attacks and threats and such that are out there.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's one thing to go to Microsoft or Google
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  Speaker 2: or any of these big tech companies who are ultimately
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  Speaker 2: trying to sell you something. You know, It's it's another
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  Speaker 2: thing to come talk to someone like me who ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is trying to sell
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  Speaker 2: you something. Right, But the FTC is not trying to
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  Speaker 2: sell you anything. Nor is the FBI. And you know
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  Speaker 2: there are two agencies that roll up a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this data. So in this FTC report, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: FBI every year, and we've talked about it many times,
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  Speaker 2: puts out a report. Maybe we'll talk about that one
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  Speaker 2: next week because it goes into a lot more detail
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  Speaker 2: than this. This is focused exclusively on social media. But
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  Speaker 2: just think about this for a second. Billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: just in social media a loon. You know, they're saying
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  Speaker 2: over two point one billion, and I need to remind
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  Speaker 2: folks that's just what was reported. Yeah, you know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these crimes are not there's no requirement to
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  Speaker 2: report them, especially if you're an individual. I saw an
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  Speaker 2: FBI agent. There's there's an agent organization called Infraguard. It's
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  Speaker 2: a public private partnership with the FBI and people like me,
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  Speaker 2: companies like Intrust and other companies around town. There's a
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati chapter. In fact, one of my colleagues runs it.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole idea is just information sharing, trying to
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  Speaker 2: share with the FBI what we're seeing, trying to hear
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  Speaker 2: from the FBI what they're seeing. Strong focus on critical infrastructure,
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  Speaker 2: which you and I talk about all the time, And
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  Speaker 2: I saw an FBI agent at one of these events
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  Speaker 2: say they believe that only maybe ten to twenty percent
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  Speaker 2: of all the actual crime that's happened is ever reported
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  Speaker 2: to them. So my point, yeah, my point, even with
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  Speaker 2: this FTC thing, Brian, is that you know, at two
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  Speaker 2: point one billion dollars for one year, they say an
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  Speaker 2: eight x increase since twenty twenty. That's just what they
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  Speaker 2: know about so I can guarantee you the number is
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  Speaker 2: a lot larger. And the point I'm trying to get
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  Speaker 2: to is folks need to be skeptical. They need to
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  Speaker 2: understand that social media is nothing more than a giant
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  Speaker 2: channel for bad guys to get in to get to you. Right,
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  Speaker 2: most of the criminals conducting this fraud are not super
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  Speaker 2: technical wizards. They're not the Elon Musks of cybercrime, if
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  Speaker 2: you will, They're con artists who are using technology to
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  Speaker 2: get to you and steal your money. And if I
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  Speaker 2: can get on Facebook and find, you know, several billion
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  Speaker 2: users or TikTok, Instagram, fill in the blank, even things
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't personally think of as much as social media discord, Reddit, Slack,
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  Speaker 2: even video games. Right, there are hundreds of thousands, millions,
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  Speaker 2: possibly billions of people in these virtual spaces. If I
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  Speaker 2: can get in there, create a fake profile, pretend to
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  Speaker 2: be someone else, whether it's a romance scam, which continue
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  Speaker 2: to be one of the top ways people lose money,
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  Speaker 2: or it's a hey, I made a bunch of money
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  Speaker 2: bitcoin or gold or whatever it is. Right, they're connors.
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  Speaker 2: They'll say whatever they need to say. Yeah, they'll they'll
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  Speaker 2: learn about you through your profile and the things you're
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  Speaker 2: posting online. They might you know, see look at your friends,
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  Speaker 2: and then create a fake profile as one of your
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  Speaker 2: so called friends that you don't really know. The point
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  Speaker 2: being they're professional on artists using social media to reach
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  Speaker 2: you and then unfortunately scam you, as this article.
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  Speaker 1: Points out, you know, Dave, and one thing that just
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  Speaker 1: popped on my head this is this is like a
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  Speaker 1: televangelists on steroids. You know, there's people that build people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you need to send in you know, X amount
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  Speaker 1: of money for Jesus or whatever, and you know, you
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  Speaker 1: find out that they're just spending on a lavish lifestyles.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't go to help people at all. This is
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  Speaker 1: like that just exponentially increased. The net that you cast
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  Speaker 1: is so much wider with billions of people in the world.
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  Speaker 1: What do you need some fraction of a percentage point
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  Speaker 1: to make yourself millions of dollars? That's what it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Brian. And it says in here most
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  Speaker 2: of these scams that they again that were reported, it's
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  Speaker 2: not all scams. They don't know about all scams.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I thought the religious minded out there because
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  Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't want to reveal that they have been
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  Speaker 1: ripped off with some religious scam going on out there.
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  Speaker 1: Exercise and abundance of caution.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I just remind folks, even though I get
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  Speaker 2: that it might be embarrassing if you fall and prey
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  Speaker 2: to one of these scams, it is valuable for you
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  Speaker 2: to report it to the FTC or the FBI. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's some novel new approach they haven't seen before. They
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  Speaker 2: can warrant about it. Plus it gives them more accurate
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  Speaker 2: statistics to help paint a stronger picture of what's really
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  Speaker 2: happening out there. But if you read this FTC article again,
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  Speaker 2: I'll post it on my substack and link it from
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  Speaker 2: LinkedIn and acts and such. You know, they talk about
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  Speaker 2: some of the main types of scams out there. They
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  Speaker 2: say that Facebook is by far the biggest mechanism for
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  Speaker 2: the scams that were reported, but it's it's everywhere, it's
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  Speaker 2: all the platforms. So yeah, folks, be skeptical that soulmate
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  Speaker 2: you found on Facebook or TikTok or whatever that seems
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  Speaker 2: to know everything about you and like has all the
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  Speaker 2: same interests as you. Well, that may be because they
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  Speaker 2: see everything you've posted, and they're just turning the dials,
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  Speaker 2: you know, based on what they know about you to
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  Speaker 2: create that rapport and relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go away. Modern headphones tracking more than just music,
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  Speaker 1: and I know kidding Dave had her on that next
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  Speaker 1: first butt overmotors cautation. Thanks to interest it dot com
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  Speaker 1: for bringing Dave Hatter here. I'm thinking about Theresey morning
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  Speaker 1: Shore every week to talk tech. Oh I laugh when
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  Speaker 1: I saw this one. No kidding, Modern headphones tracking more
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  Speaker 1: than just music, Dave. Internet of Things maybe, Ah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Brian, as you know, I'm not a huge fan
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  Speaker 2: of the Internet of Things. You talk about this all
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  Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, And for what it's worth, I created
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  Speaker 2: a separate substack where all I'm doing now is just
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  Speaker 2: collecting articles like this so people can see for themselves
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  Speaker 2: that when you hear me talk about why you don't
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  Speaker 2: want a room to sweeper or some kind of IoT
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  Speaker 2: doorbell or whatever. And again, folks, reminder, Internet of things,
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  Speaker 2: smart device, it's your or Internet connected coffee maker, doorbell, refrigerator,
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  Speaker 2: washer dryer, et cetera. But it's also your car now,
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  Speaker 2: I mean increasingly, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote it down. Sensors in automobiles, Joe, that's coming
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  Speaker 1: our way, sensors to detect your eye movements and your
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  Speaker 1: your focus on driving. Least, you have a choice if
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  Speaker 1: you want an Internet of Things device or you don't.
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  Speaker 1: You have an option to not get it. This is
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  Speaker 1: going to be mandated. We are not going to have
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  Speaker 1: the freedom to choose whether we want to get an
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  Speaker 1: Internet of Things device or not. That frankly pisses me off.
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  Speaker 2: We should we should make a point to talk about
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  Speaker 2: that as a separate topic, Brian, And you know Rush
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  Speaker 2: predicted this in nineteen eighty one with the song Red Barchetta.
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  Speaker 2: We can oh, yeah, yeah, we can have Joe queue
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  Speaker 2: that up and well we can that the whole car
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  Speaker 2: space could easily we could talk about it for the
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  Speaker 2: whole thirty minute.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a gleaning alloy aircar, not an
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  Speaker 1: electric vehicle in that in that song.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, a country place no one knows about anyhow.
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  Speaker 2: My problem was so much of the stuff is you
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  Speaker 2: get opted into things. If they're collecting data that you
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  Speaker 2: don't understand or even possibly believe they can be collecting.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know where it's going, you don't know who
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  Speaker 2: has access to it. You don't know who it's being
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  Speaker 2: sold to, you don't know what the consequences to you
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  Speaker 2: are of that. And so much of these so called
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  Speaker 2: smart devices, you know, as I say all the time,
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  Speaker 2: they're not geared towards your privacy and security. That's not
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  Speaker 2: the incentive for them to be in the market. The
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  Speaker 2: geared towards ease of use, market share, speed to market,
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  Speaker 2: and collecting as much of your data as possible, because
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  Speaker 2: the data is where the real money is. Look at
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  Speaker 2: the profit margins of companies like Google and Meta who
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  Speaker 2: basically make virtually nothing. They just provide so called free
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  Speaker 2: services to you, collect your data and turn in you know,
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  Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars a year. But this was
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  Speaker 2: an interesting art article came from the Wirecutter section of
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  Speaker 2: the Times. They focus exclusively on technology, and I just
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  Speaker 2: want to read a little bit of it here. So again,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't my opinion. This is what the report and
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  Speaker 2: the editors you know, have turned up from their research.
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  Speaker 2: Over time, they've added microphones, control buttons, and bluetooth chips,
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  Speaker 2: meaning of the headphones. Those chips have become increasingly advanced.
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  Speaker 2: In line manufacturers to add features like adaptive active noise cancelation,
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  Speaker 2: heart rate tracking, body temperature measurement, location tracking on BOYD,
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  Speaker 2: voice controls, AI power transcription and translation, audiogram based sound adjustment,
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  Speaker 2: and even brain wave monitoring activity. So you plug these
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  Speaker 2: things into your ears and they're potentially capturing all this
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  Speaker 2: and maybe more data depending on the advanced nature of
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  Speaker 2: the sensors that are in these things. Where is that
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  Speaker 2: data going? You know, if it's an Apple AirPod, is
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  Speaker 2: it only going to Apple? Do you care that Apple
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  Speaker 2: has all this information? Maybe not I do. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: use any of this. But if it's not Apple, if
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  Speaker 2: it's some third party brand, So now it's going to
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  Speaker 2: your phone, It's going to this third party who knows
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  Speaker 2: where it's going, who knows what they're doing with it,
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  Speaker 2: who knows who they might be selling it to. There's
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  Speaker 2: no hip or protection on any of this health related data.
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  Speaker 2: Are people making decisions about whether they should rent to
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  Speaker 2: you or whether they should provide insurance to you as
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  Speaker 2: a result of data like this that they're buying? Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: So again, I'm not inherently against this stuff, Brian, i'man
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  Speaker 2: against the fact that it's the capabilities are rapidly increasing,
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  Speaker 2: the data collection is rapidly increasing. People don't understand what
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  Speaker 2: data is collected, they don't understand how it can be used,
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  Speaker 2: they don't understand how to turn it off, and that
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  Speaker 2: it's almost always they opt you in as soon as
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  Speaker 2: you sign up. And if you don't want these sorts
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  Speaker 2: of capabilities, if they're even if they can even be disabled,
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  Speaker 2: you have to dig down into it and figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to turn it off. So I would encourage people
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  Speaker 2: before you buy any IoT device, but especially something that
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  Speaker 2: is touching your body and potentially collect this sort of
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  Speaker 2: very sensitive data about you with zero privacy protection outder
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  Speaker 2: than whatever they claim they'll do. Again, there's no hippo
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that. You should think about it. You
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  Speaker 2: should read the privacy policy, which will probably be an
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  Speaker 2: eighty page confuse optly of mumbo jumbo that will be
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  Speaker 2: completely incomprehensible, and then you know, choose accordingly. There's nothing
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  Speaker 2: wrong with getting headphones that have a cord plug into
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  Speaker 2: your device and don't do any of this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Got some of those on right now. Dave Hatter, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter. We'll continue with Dave. We'll talk about researchers tracking. Oh, look,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Hatter's on the phone Tech Friday with Dave Hatter
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  Speaker 1: Intrust dot Com and look compromise Credentials Dave Hatter.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty significant numbers, it is, Brian, And I want to
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  Speaker 2: want to just start out and tell you that you occasionally,
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  Speaker 2: because people see me out talking about this because I'm
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  Speaker 2: on the radio or TV or whatever, you know, people
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  Speaker 2: will just individuals will call at Intrust and want help
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  Speaker 2: with this, you know. And unfortunately, as a business, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we don't really come out and help individuals. It just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense financially. But I always try to be
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  Speaker 2: helpful for folks because again I understand how problematic some
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff can be. And I had a very
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  Speaker 2: nice lady call. She thinks that, you know, perhaps some
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  Speaker 2: of her devices, her Internet of Things devices we just
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  Speaker 2: talked about. And when I post my links, Brian, again,
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  Speaker 2: I'll post the links specifically to just the substack I've
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  Speaker 2: started on the Internet of Things and all I'm really
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  Speaker 2: doing is is just showing a list of all the
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  Speaker 2: different problems that are keep cropping up in the news,
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  Speaker 2: and think concerns you should have. She thinks her devices
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  Speaker 2: are compromised. So we have a conversation and we get
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  Speaker 2: back to passwords and multi factor authentication. Now, I want
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  Speaker 2: to be clear, multi factor authentication is not bulletproof. It's
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  Speaker 2: increasingly being defeated, but it still makes you way more
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  Speaker 2: secure than people who don't have it, especially when you've
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  Speaker 2: used the same password across all your devices. Then you
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  Speaker 2: know that's kind of what this article is talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Here another recent article from Security Week, a very well
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  Speaker 2: known magazine that nerds like me read, analysis of six
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  Speaker 2: billion passwords shows stagnant user behavior. Most common stolen passwords one, two, three, four,
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  Speaker 2: five six adminuted password. So not only do the bad
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  Speaker 2: guys know that people have these bad habits, and they'll
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  Speaker 2: use a week password on all their accounts for multiple accounts.
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  Speaker 2: Think about this for a second, Brian, do you think
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  Speaker 2: that it would be harder to hack through someone's firewall
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  Speaker 2: and get into their systems to do whatever nefarious teach
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  Speaker 2: you want, then it would be to guess crack or
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  Speaker 2: buy a password off the dark web and just walk
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  Speaker 2: right into your accounts.
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  Speaker 1: I think the latter is the obvious answer to that.
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  Speaker 1: But everybody should be using password one, two three as
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  Speaker 1: their password.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, make sure you do that. And when you do,
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  Speaker 2: just go ahead and take all your money. Put it
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  Speaker 2: in a pile on the front stoop with a sign
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  Speaker 2: in the front yard that says, this is steal my
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  Speaker 2: money if you're using these weak passwords real.
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  Speaker 1: Quick, Dave, going back to your point about information sharing,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. I've got nothing. I don't care if
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  Speaker 1: they take my information. What about your dog's name or
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  Speaker 1: what about something like that? People use their dog's name
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  Speaker 1: or their mother's name or whatever. Regular things that people
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  Speaker 1: can easily find on the internet will be tried. And
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  Speaker 1: the effort bole you made all the normal stuff that
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  Speaker 1: people kind of defall to. So do something, really, this
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  Speaker 1: isar and weird, and get a password manager right day.
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  Speaker 2: Atter, that's exactly right. Get a password manager. Turn on
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  Speaker 2: MFA for all your accounts. The password manager. I would
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  Speaker 2: recommend one password. It's number one password. I'll put this
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  Speaker 2: in the links today too. There are other good password
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  Speaker 2: managers out there Keeper you can use like c net,
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  Speaker 2: zd net, various magazines to see what their editors think
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  Speaker 2: of various password managers. But whether you get a password
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  Speaker 2: manager or not, which I recommend, you need strong unique
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  Speaker 2: passwords on all your accounts. Again, if I'm a criminal
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  Speaker 2: and I can use a tool that will just attempt
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  Speaker 2: to brute force your passwords until he guesses one, or
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  Speaker 2: to your point, I can see your dog's name, your
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  Speaker 2: kid's name, or whatever online. Again, six billion passwords shows
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  Speaker 2: these patterns. The bad guys know what People who aren't
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  Speaker 2: ten four hat nuts like me are doing. They know,
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  Speaker 2: And I want to make one last point before we
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  Speaker 2: run out of time. Folks, if you don't have strong
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  Speaker 2: unique passwords and MFA on your critical accounts like your
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  Speaker 2: bank account and so forth, you're going to get hacked.
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  Speaker 2: But I would also tell you, and I hear the
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  Speaker 2: all the time why I don't care. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: anything in my email, think about this for a second,
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  Speaker 2: prime and all your listeners. If you've had to reset
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  Speaker 2: a password on any account before, how does that typically work? Well?
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  Speaker 2: It sends an email to the email address on file
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  Speaker 2: for you, and then you click a link, you go in,
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  Speaker 2: you enter a new password, You're good to go. If
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  Speaker 2: I can get into your email, I can see every
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  Speaker 2: password reset you've done. I can see everyone you've done
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  Speaker 2: business with if you've ever gotten an email from them.
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  Speaker 2: If I can get into your email account, I can
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  Speaker 2: change your password, lock you out of the account, and
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  Speaker 2: now start resetting the passwords on all of your accounts,
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  Speaker 2: including your bank. I now own you. I can wreck
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  Speaker 2: your life. I can steal all of your money by
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  Speaker 2: taking over your email account. Happy. I must, Yes, you
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: must have a strong password, unique password on your email
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: account and any critical account. You must turn an MFA
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  Speaker 2: and year after year these password analysis like this of
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  Speaker 2: the data that's leaked again in the billion six billion
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  Speaker 2: in this one case, the bad guys know how to
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  Speaker 2: get your stuff. Strong unique password, MFA at minimum, Password manager,
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  Speaker 2: do it today.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Two factor authentication, yes, do it, do it. It can
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  Speaker 1: be a pain from time to time, but I really
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  Speaker 1: really get a lot of comfort from the two factor
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: authentication because I'm the only ones got the cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and keep in mind bran that and know itself again.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Not bulletproof, No, you can work around that, but it's
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: it's much much harder and in most cases, unless you
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: are being targeted. They're just gonna move on. They don't
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: want to spend to it. Three days there you go
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: attacking you when they can walk right into someone else's
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  Speaker 2: account and take whatever it is they want.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Right like speed bumps on a road, You're gonna drive
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: slower because you can't crash the speed bumps. Screw that,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on to something else and go after
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: someone who hasn't listened to Dave hat Or, interest it
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  Speaker 1: dot com and of course LinkedIn dot com. Search for
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Dave hat Or you'll find him, get the links to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: these stories and all the other things that he's doing
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: throughout the week. Keep up the great work and thanks
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to all the help you provide businesses in the Tri
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: State area through interest it. Find him again online interest
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: it dot com. We'll do it again next Friday. Dave Hatter,
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  Speaker 1: have a wonderful Mother's Day weekend.
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  Speaker 2: My friend,