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Episode 62: What It Really Takes to Run a Podcast as Busy Moms | Behind the Scenes of Pretty in Pink Again · Pretty In Pink Again

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  I'm Christina.
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  And I'm T.
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  And this is the"Pretty and Pink Again" podcast.
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  Where motherhood meets rediscovery.
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  Ugh.
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  I can't, guys- Do you wanna tell them or may I?
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  I I can't even explain how- What just happened in this house for the past two hours?
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  It- Ma'am so we were starting off with a very solid idea of, coming on here and lifting the veil of what goes on behind the scenes sometimes to get the podcast going.
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  We were gonna have, a very fun, playful, bantery episode because it's been a long time since we've had one of those.
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  We've had a lot of guests on.
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  We have new listeners.
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  We're like,"Let's sit in the chairs and just, yap." And...
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  My computer died.
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  And not only did my computer die, we had white noise.
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  The white noise was crazy in the background.
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  So we, when we went to listen to, anything that did record before the laptop died, it was like bzz.
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  Like in the...
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  And I'm like, we're like,"Where's that coming from?" Ah.
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  And what we were recording whilst this was happening was we were talking about what was going on behind the scenes, and sometimes we've had issues where we've recorded episodes, and we've lost them.
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  And basically how much of a shitshow this sometimes is behind the scenes.
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  It's not all the time.
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  We have, a very good workflow from the last, 60 something episodes of trial and error.
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  But, like, every once in a while, technology is just, like, not on our side.
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  And, this morning was one of those things.
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  We were almost close to, calling it and just being like,"We're throwing up an older episode, and, like, everyone's just gonna have to deal." Well, we can add this to the checks and balances part of podcasting.
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  Now we have to have extra backup chargers too.
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  And we have to make sure that your laptop is completely ch- or at least, like, semi-charged- Not dead because it was charging.
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  Like what I presented you with- It was- a dead laptop it was charging, but it was like- Not enough we, we run so much off of it that it was just like it's a very metaphor for,, like, a mother, where it's like there's nothing left to give.
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  And, you know, her cup needs to be full.
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  And not every charging block does the job.
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  Yeah.
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  We needed a super charging block.
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  Yeah, metaphor for motherhood.
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  And this is perfect because this episode is gonna come out right before Mother's Day, which is why we were like, no, we really wanna do, a rock solid episode and not just throw up an older episode, our rewind, which we've only had to do once or twice in, in case of emergencies.
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  But we were like,"No, we're gonna pull it together, and...
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  we're gonna record a new episode.
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  We wanna chat with our listeners, give them some updates of what's been going on, and, like, a little bit of behind the scenes." But, like, wow, was that a metaphor for what mothers go through.
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  Oh, my God, what mothers go through, what business owners go through.
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  I mean, I will still stand and say with conviction that I still want to do this ourselves- Mm-hmm and still produce it ourselves, and still film here in our house- Of course ourselves- Mm-hmm and not go to a studio where they would do all this other stuff- Yeah and we could just be the creative., The way we do this podcast is we are the creative, and then we are the producers.
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  We are the editors.
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  We do it all.
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  We do both parts- Mm-hmm and both parts the creative and the sound and everything are equal parts important.
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  And sometimes I, I don't know why it doesn't work, but- It's, it's so funny too what me and you, obviously, like, being business partners and, co-creatives in this, it's funny what both of us have gravitated towards in terms of, I don't wanna say caring,'cause we both care so deeply for, like, all aspects of the business.
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  But what, like, grinds each of our gears, and, for you, it's the sound.
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  T is...
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  So we film in T's house.
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  She has all of the equipment set up.
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  We have a studio in h- in her house.
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  So she is, quote-unquote, responsible for all of the studio equipment,'cause it's, literally in her house.
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  But that has been something that you've become so deeply passionate about, is, like, the sound- Ooh and all of our equipment, and, everything working and functioning correctly, and- I just don't like to listen to- It's a huge responsibility well, I just don't like to listen to something if it- I know you don't sounds fatiguing and if it doesn't sound good.
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  I personally don't like listening to something that way.
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  No, you turn, you turn it off.
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  And I'll turn it off.
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  I can't listen to a, the content.
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  The content could be excellent, but, this could be, like, an audiobook or another podcast.
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  If the sound quality isn't there, I can't listen to it.
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  You're like, that's your job.
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  Like, it's- So- You're, you're in audio.
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  So- Like, that's what your job is if ours doesn't sound great- I know we don't put it out, and there's- Mm been times where we didn't put stuff out.
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  I know, and T's been, like, the one- And it sucks that's like,"Absolutely not." She's the one- And it sucks that's like,"No." So that would've had to happen today.
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  But luckily, my computer died, so we picked up on it, so maybe it was a good thing the computer died.
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  I know.
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  But whatever.
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  And we've said- We're here now.
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  We made mistakes.
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  I know.
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  We fixed it.
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  Well, you know what?
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  Ugh, the worst.
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  No one's perfect, and we're, we s- it's just, like, one of those live and learn lessons.
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  And we've said that luckily this has a- happened when it's been me and you.
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  We've had one instance where it happened one, when a guest was here.
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  With a guest.
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  But luckily, it's one of our dear, dear friends and another creative, and so she was completely understanding.
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  We have to re-record that episode in the coming weeks, and we will re-release that one.
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  But it's just, it's one of those things, live and learn, but we're here.
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  We're gonna, we're gonna try to lighten up the mood a little bit- Oh my gosh'cause me and you get it, ugh.
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  I'm, who do you think gets ugh more?
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  I think it depends on what the issue is.
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  For you, you are like, you g- get very nutty about the sound quality and all of the, like, professional equipment, like, working, and, like, the, maybe the tech.
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  Like, I feel like it, you just, you put that weight on your shoulders, if you will.
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  For me, I'm much more, I think it gets social media is a little bit more my- Probably like category where, like, I get pissy if something's not working or if it's not going the way I want it to go, or if it doesn't reflect what I want it to, it to reflect.
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  I think that that's my area where I get, like, super annoying about, like- For sure the aesthetics and, like, the fonts and all, like, all of the stuff that, like the branding- Mm-hmm and all of that stuff.
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  Like, that's stuff that- Oh my God bothers me.
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  Like- I remember when we first started, you showed me how to work, I think was it InShot or CapCut?
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  I think that's what we were using.
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  One of the, I think- It was one of the two, and you were trying to talk me through how to edit a clip.
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  And I'm not even kidding, I worked on this the entire day.
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  Like, I worked on trying to edit this clip the entire day, trying to figure out where to put text, where to add the music, where to cut the video.
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  Like, I was like two thumbs trying to figure this out all day, back and forth, text back and forth, and then finally it was like 6:00 and I finally posted it, and you were like,"I thought we weren't posting today.
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  I thought we were posting tomorrow." And I was like,"Fuck! I hate you.
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  I finally figured this shit out," and you were like,"We're not even posting today." That wasn't supposed to happen yet.
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  So I feel like very early on- Oh my God we learned that is your lane- Yeah and you are staying in it.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm getting the fuck out of it.
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  Because I'm not good at it.
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  Now I know how to do it.
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  Now I can do it if I have to.
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  I know.
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  But like I'm not good at that, and I don't, I'm not gonna pretend like I am.
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  I'm good at other things.
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  I think that's I don't know if it's interesting.
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  I always find that, like, when I, you know, if I'm, like, invested in something I'm listening to, whether it's, like, a podcast or if it's, like, an influencer duo or something, like, I am always like, what goes on behind the scenes?
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  Like, how do you make it work between the two of you?
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  What's the workflow like?" Like, because you know that, partnerships in any capacity are never 50/50 all the time, right?
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  Like, there's moments where you probably come together and it's 50/50, but then there's some weeks where, like, y- you're not in it and someone else has to pick up the slack, or, like, you're not good at this part of the job so, someone else comes into- So I always find that dynamic is so interesting, like, when two people work together and it's done well and it's successful.
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  You're like,"How does that go on behind the scenes?" And I'm coming from a background where I've worked primarily for myself.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Like, I'm the point of view.
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  I'm my own boss, And I've done that for, it was 14 years before I started this with you.
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  And so it's so interesting to come into this business where we are 50/50, but we both have our own strengths and weaknesses, if you wanna call them weaknesses.
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  But it's like we come together, we make this work.
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  We have now a great workflow where it works 99% of the time, and then sometimes just, like, technology- Sometimes there's life noise and life just isn't on our side.
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  Sometimes there's life noise.
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  Sometimes we do everything right, and there's- white noise for no reason and you can't figure out why And a kid home with strep throat and a dog barking Ugh.
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  Just we try to make it work.
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  I mean, that is our work environment.
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  Yeah.
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  And- But to your point, we- we've made it work for, like, 60-something episodes, and there's trial and errors, but we have it down.
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  I think we have it down now, like, I think- If- if this episode ever sees the light of day- If it actually makes it- then yeah to Apple and Spotify and wherever else you listen to your podcasts, we have been successful in this episode.
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  And if it hasn't, then you don't even know that this happened, and we haven't been able to get the message out.
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  I just find it very funny that we, like, were trying to do an episode about what it's like behind the scenes, and then we had, like, the most chaotic- couple hours before we were actually able to sit down and record.
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  It's just, it- it's like life was laughing at us, like being like,"Ha, ha, ha.
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  What are you trying to do?
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  You're trying to make funny content about behind the scenes?
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  We're gonna give you a story today.""We're gonna make sure that nothing works- You're welcome so that you're just sitting at the chair fired up and like..." I didn't need that, okay?
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  I didn't need it either.
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  I have enough content on my own, thank you very much.
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  I know.
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  Thank you very much.
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  Sometimes we wanna sit in this chair and reflect and share the funny and not, like, have to have, like, another- Oh my God, well, we, we did that at lunch on Friday.
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  We did.
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  We had, we have enough of that.
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  So all right, so I also think what would be funny is, like, sharing all of the makings of what actually has to happen for us to sit in this chair other than, like, what happened today.
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  But, like, we, like, pick a date, right?
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  Especially if it's me and you or maybe we have an interview.
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  And we try to, obviously, when we have an interview, we try to be much more professional than when it's just me and you.
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  When it's just me and you, I'm normally running into this house.
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  I'm like,"Be there in five." You normally know that that means in 30.
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  Like, that's my timing because I have to leave my house with my kids home.
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  And normally, no matter- Oh, that sounds awful how my house is the way my house is, I ha- I feel like I just run into them leaving the house, no matter if I try to sneak out, if I try to say goodbye, and it just always adds, like, an extra 10 or 15 minutes.
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  Like, there's requests.
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  I have to make sure that I say the right things before I leave.
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  I have to make sure everybody knows, like, I'm leaving the nanny there with them.
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  And it's u- it's usually just, like, an adventure for me to exit the home.
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  And then I usually text to you when I'm on the way and I'm like,"Okay," like,"I'm- I'm here." Yeah, and I'm like,"Just let yourself in." She's like,"Come in.""Come in.""You know the garage code.""You have the code." And I just normally, like- But she waits for me to let her in sit out there for five seconds because I'm like,"This-'cause any mom knows that, like, when you leave your house and then you sit in a car, it's like a vacation.
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  So I, like, sit down.
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  I'm usually like, I have a few minutes to, like, get my thoughts together, meditate, because I'm like,"What the actual F was that just leaving my house?" You know?
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  Now I have to, transition into work mode, especially when we have, like s- a guest on, and I'm like Like I gotta get my shit together before we, like, sit down and start asking somebody questions, and I'm supposed to know what's going on.
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  I need a moment.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then I come in, and half the time you're not fucking ready.
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  You're, like, half doing your makeup.
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  Like- Every time you come in, I'm in- Phone chargers all over the place I'm in the bathroom still getting ready.
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  Do you- I'm like,"I'm up here." And she's like,"Oh, fuck.
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  She's still getting ready.
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  I'm recording, like, a get ready with me.
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  I'm, like, just doing some mascara." No big deal.
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  You come in here, it's like a bomb hit it.
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  Vincent's been watching TV in here.
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  There, before, actually I did tidy up a little in here, because there was, like, a lollipop and he had a bloody nose.
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  Ugh.
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  I'm like,"Can you not get a bloody nose on my white chair in my office?
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  You're so annoying.
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  Go find another room to sit in." We are really keeping it real around here.
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  We, like, film in the houses.
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  Oh my gosh, it's such a mess in here.
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  We, our, both of our houses are just like everyone else's house.
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  Well, no, because it's full of h- Yep it's full of kids.
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  Yep.
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  My house is full of kids all the time.
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  Yes.
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  Even when they're in school, it's full of kids.
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  So usually my mornings, I get the kids off by, like, 8:30, 9:00, somewhere in that- Yeah timeframe.
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  Yeah.
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  Sometimes it's earlier if everybody's off on time, but whatever.
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  And then I like to, like, do my walk, tidy up the house.
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  Because since we record here, it needs to be, like, tidied- I know especially if a guest is coming over.
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  I know.
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  You have, like, a lot of pressure.
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  So I like to tidy up a little bit.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And then, you know, have something to eat, because if I don't eat before I record, I get- Oh, she is- hangry and mad, and I'm so miserable if I don't eat.
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  She is nasty too.
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  I'm nasty.
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  I just grabbed hummus and pretzel.
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  Maybe that'll hold me over until we finish recording.
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  But I like to, like, listen to the notes.
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  I like to figure out what- Mm-hmm questions I'm gonna ask.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I actually prefer guest episodes, because I love to ask the questions.
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  When we do our episodes, I have to do 50%- More talking of the talking.
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  But when we do the guest episodes, I can just focus on listening and then getting the next question, and then it's kinda like pinging it back to them, and then they can do the talking.
• 13:23
  Yeah.
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  When we are recording, me and you, I have to do half the talking.
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  You have to be a little bit more on.
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  I feel like I have to be more on.
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  Yeah.
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  But you feel like when we have a guest you have to be more on?
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  I feel like it depends on who it is.
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  I feel like, it, there, and we've had a range.
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  I feel like when it's somebody that I know really well, and maybe the banter comes a little bit more easy.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I feel like maybe I don't have to, I don't wanna say I don't do much prep, because I'm always prepping.
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  I wanna make sure I know who the guest is.
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  I wanna make sure I know what questions I wanna ask.
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  But I sometimes feel like I wanna go through the guide.
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  T does the most amazing guides for us.
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  Like, sh- that is just one of her, like, rockstar specialties that I feel like you've grown with this podcast.
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  Thank you.
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  Like, your guides are insane.
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  We've shouted them out before- because even our guests, sometimes they get, like, an intro, and they're like,"Uh, damn, thanks." They're so good.
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  But I a- I wanna make sure that, like- I know the flow and I know, like, what our goals are of the episode- Right so that when I am listening,'cause it is almost easy sometimes when you have a guest on to, like, I don't- Well, you get so engrossed in their story- Yes you forget what to prompt next.
• 14:26
  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  And, like, you're kind of also like- I know, with the really good guests.
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  Yeah wait, did we, are, did we circle back?
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  Did we answer the question?
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  You know what I mean?
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  Like, you wanna be like, you wanna close the loop.
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  Right.
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  You wanna be like, okay- Right and then how do we move on to the next topic?
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  Do we address everything?
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  So I feel like if I know the goals are for each segment and section, then I feel a little bit more organized, but I can't just wing that, whereas I do feel like on our episodes, I'm like, we can kinda wing it.
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  Right.
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  You know?
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  Yeah.
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  Like, a- and I also feel I don't know, if we don't, if we don't close the loop, then, like, it's fine.
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  Right.
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  I don't know.
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  It's just a little less pressure when it's with us, but at the same time, I do understand your point, that it is more pressure because it's more on- Right when it's just me and you.
• 15:08
  I think there's, that's enough about the behind-the-scenes nonsense- Oh, we're done of what's happening in this- We're done in, in this office.
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  But what else do we wanna talk about?
• 15:17
  But you know what, though?
• 15:17
  Let's do that then.
• 15:18
  Every working mom, every, any mom- Mm-hmm that works from home, which I think is a lot of moms- A lot and a lot of people- Yeah like, they can relate to this.
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  Or, like, hybrid, you know?
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  Like, yeah.
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  Or hybrid.
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  Like, any, you don't think that any, I remember my mom works for Travelers- Mm-hmm and she was working from home a lot when I had the twins.
• 15:31
  Mm-hmm.
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  Because I just needed another person, I needed, like, a warm body in this house, and she was like,"Your Wi-Fi is down." I'm like,"Who fucking cares if my Wi-Fi is down?" And you're like-"Figure it out." And she was like,"I care.
• 15:41
  I can't work if the Wi-Fi is down." Yeah.
• 15:43
  "I can't not have Wi-Fi." And she would panic about that, but that's just part of what happens when- It is you, I don't know, work from home.
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  You rely on technology.
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  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work.
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  It's so true.
• 15:53
  But- It's so true it happens, but- But kind of like keeping with that theme, we're gonna talk about, like, other things.
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  Maybe, like, things that we don't say on the podcast.
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  We say a lot, but we can go into that.
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  Is there any topic that you think we've avoided?
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  One that comes to mind that both of us have, like, rarely talked about is our actual marriage.
• 16:17
  Mm-hmm.
• 16:17
  Like, I think we've explored a lot of topics very, like, kid-centric, mother-centric, friendship-centric, business-centric, and we haven't done, a ton of lifting the veil on, like, each of our marriages.
• 16:33
  I think we've said enough, but we've both been very respectful of our husbands, and it, we don't a, it's just, I think something that both of us are, like, protective of.
• 16:44
  Yeah.
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  And we don't want anything to get taken the wrong way, taken out of context, feeling like we're being- inappropriate, feeling like we're revealing too much.
• 16:54
  I also think it's not really fair because it's from one point of view.
• 16:58
  Mm-hmm.
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  And so I'm sensitive to that.
• 17:00
  It's tricky because if you think about how many episodes we've done, in, like, 60 ep- something episodes, all the topics.
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  We've done, like, girl-on-girl crime.
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  We've done the mental load of motherhood.
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  We've done how to resolve conflicts, like, all these things, and I've personally, like, woven my husband into those things.
• 17:19
  But it's like all of those things could be about anybody, right?
• 17:24
  Right.
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  You know what I mean?
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  This is specific to just one person.
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  This, when, when you start talking about your marriage there's one.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Like, for me, there's one marriage, so you know who I'm talking about.
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  Well, unless you live in Utah, there's usually- True just one.
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  True.
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  Valid.
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  But, like, I'm gonna give it away who I'm talking about, and it feels very exposing, if that makes sense.
• 17:44
  Right.
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  So, like, I weave it in, but it's not something that I could have, like, a full-on discussion where I feel like it's gonna be like a therapy session.
• 17:52
  You know what I mean?
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  So I'm a little bit more, I don't wanna say closed off, but, like, as far as, like, openness about a specific topic, it's just hard to go there.
• 18:01
  Right.
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  You know?
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  And it's also just from my point of view, so I don't think it's fair- Right in my point.
• 18:06
  I don't think...
• 18:06
  It's like, yeah, of course any woman listening is gonna be like,"Yeah, I get that." And it- but it just feels like- Right it's too much.
• 18:14
  Well, I think that's just one part of your life that maybe you don't wanna blast out- Yeah on this podcast.
• 18:19
  You don't have to put every single part- Yeah of your life on here.
• 18:22
  Exactly.
• 18:22
  I don't feel as uncomfortable talking about Nick and my relationship- Mm-hmm although Nick is very private, and he- Mm-hmm doesn't want to be, like, blasted about.
• 18:32
  Right.
• 18:33
  But he also knows that I talk about him a lot.
• 18:35
  Yeah.
• 18:35
  He makes great content.
• 18:36
  Yeah.
• 18:36
  And so I feel a little bit more comfortable- Yeah talking about him.
• 18:40
  Actually, Thursday is our 15-year wedding anniversary.
• 18:43
  Wild.
• 18:43
  So when this airs, it'll be our 15-year- Oh my God wedding anniversary.
• 18:46
  Well, happy anniversary.
• 18:48
  And I mean, I met him when I was in college.
• 18:49
  Wild.
• 18:49
  I was a senior in college- Mm-hmm like, doing my clinical rotation, and we just, like, met as two babies.
• 18:56
  I know.
• 18:56
  Babies.
• 18:57
  And now I'm not.
• 18:58
  Now I'm almost 40.
• 19:00
  I know.
• 19:00
  Raja and I have actually been together, it'll be 19 years this year.
• 19:04
  Wow.
• 19:04
  Well, actually, it, it i- it just passed in April.
• 19:07
  We've been together for 19 years.
• 19:08
  Oh my gosh.
• 19:09
  And so next year...
• 19:10
  Like, obviously we didn't get married.
• 19:12
  We were together for, like, seven or eight years before we got married, but our dating anniversary is 19 years.
• 19:17
  So you were a junior in college?
• 19:18
  I was going into senior year of college, so yeah, just finished- Okay my junior year and going into senior year of college.
• 19:24
  Wow.
• 19:25
  Isn't that crazy?
• 19:25
  Wild.
• 19:26
  So- Yep'cause we met in 2008, so you guys met in 2007?
• 19:28
  2007, yep.
• 19:29
  Okay.
• 19:30
  So crazy.
• 19:31
  So another thing is things that we cut.
• 19:33
  So what, where do you feel like we have to stop and start and cut?
• 19:38
  Well, it depends on the situation, and I think I've gotten a lot more comfortable over the course of the podcast.
• 19:44
  But I think when anything is too freshly happening, and I don't have my, h- I don't have, like, a full grasp on how I even feel about something yet, it's hard for me to talk about it.
• 19:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 19:55
  You know what I mean?
• 19:56
  In, like- In real time in real time especially when I'm not sure how I feel, I feel like I'm all over the place, you know?
• 20:03
  And so I can't really even gather a thought about it.
• 20:06
  That's, I feel like those are been the only times, when I'm, like, actively going through something, it's hard for me to talk about it.
• 20:12
  Right.
• 20:12
  When I'm, when it's in the past, I could talk about it all day.
• 20:15
  Right.
• 20:15
  You know?
• 20:16
  What about with you?
• 20:17
  Has there been anything?
• 20:19
  I think you're kinda the same.
• 20:20
  Sometimes I just can't find the right words.
• 20:23
  I think that if I don't know how I feel about a topic- Yes, yes like, if I don't, if I don't have, like, a gut reaction or if my gut reaction is something that I don't wanna really share on this podcast- Yes, yes then I have a hard time getting it out- Yes because I'm trying to find other words to describe the negative way that I feel about something.
• 20:38
  Yeah.
• 20:38
  I'm trying to find kind words to describe something that I'm having a negative, visceral reaction.
• 20:42
  Yeah.
• 20:42
  So I end up, like, talking in circles- Yes instead of just blurting it out.
• 20:46
  Yes.
• 20:46
  Yes,'cause you're trying to be, like, politically correct, too.
• 20:49
  I'm just trying to be- Yeah, yes yeah, I'm trying to sound eloquent, and what really I wanna say is, like- Yeah something not so nice.
• 20:54
  Yeah, and sometimes even with me with the kids, I do feel the same way.
• 20:58
  With my husband, Raja, and the kids, I get a little bit mama bear, where I wanna protect but also be, like, vulnerable and share.
• 21:08
  But I always feel- nervous to do that when it's like, they're not asking for that.
• 21:14
  You know what I mean?
• 21:14
  So I'm trying to be protective of, their feelings, and I don't wanna put words in anybody's mouth, and I don't wanna embarrass anybody by sharing something.
• 21:23
  I get a little bit protective.
• 21:24
  I do think that's because I've been in this space entirely too long, and I've seen, the other side of things.
• 21:32
  And so I get nervous just about, sharing details about okay, well, where is Leo going to school?
• 21:37
  Or where...
• 21:37
  You know what I mean?
• 21:38
  Like, I just get, like, I'm like,"Did I reveal too much?
• 21:40
  Did I say too much?
• 21:41
  Does it..." I get weird, you know?
• 21:42
  So there's some things like that I'm, as much as I wanna say,"Oh, yes, I'm an open book," like, no, I'm very, very aware of my words when it comes to my husband and my kids for, their safety and, like, exposing, if that makes sense.
• 21:56
  I know.
• 21:58
  I think I came into this far too green and not realizing the impact that my words can have- Mm-hmm on my husband and my children when I didn't think that they cared at all what I did all day, and then they started asking questions.
• 22:11
  And like,"Do you talk about us on the podcast?
• 22:13
  Do you wanna be spoken about on the podcast?
• 22:14
  Do you wanna be shown on our Instagram?
• 22:16
  Do you feel like I'm exploiting you do you feel like you're, like, a character in my life?" Right.
• 22:20
  "Do you like this?
• 22:21
  Do you not like this?" You know?
• 22:22
  And so now I have to take their feelings into account- And you said- and- that everybody has different, you have four kids- And they all- but they all have different feelings they all have different feelings- Yep and they all, you know, like, I have to ask their permission- Yeah which I never thought I had to.
• 22:36
  As their mother, I never thought I had to really do that, but I've learned that I have to ask their permission- Right constantly.
• 22:42
  Right.
• 22:43
  Really, with anybody in my life, I have to ask their permission- Right because it's, it's just something that I've learned.
• 22:48
  Right.
• 22:49
  Yep.
• 22:49
  I feel like since we've been doing this, and we've, have shared so much, and we've had, an influx of new listeners from our recent guests and just from you guys sharing the podcast.
• 22:59
  We have had just a ton of new people listening in, which is really exciting, and then there's been a lot of people that have been here from the beginning, which is also, in my opinion, just as exciting if not more exciting that we've ha- been able to, like, build a community.
• 23:13
  And we feel like we share so much with those people.
• 23:16
  Like, we feel like a lot of people know us really well on what we share.
• 23:20
  But what do you think people get wrong about you?
• 23:23
  Or do you think that people maybe get something wrong about you?
• 23:26
  Okay, so I, I'm not sure if you get to know me on the podcast, I feel like if you listen, if you just listen- Mm-hmm I think you've gotten me pretty right.
• 23:37
  Yeah.
• 23:37
  I think if you follow my social media, you might think I'm a little more of a passenger princess.
• 23:42
  But I think if you listen, you've k- You get more of, yeah you've gotten the impression that I'm a doer, a worker.
• 23:48
  I like to have my hands in all the pots around here.
• 23:51
  Yeah.
• 23:51
  I think that I am, like, very deeply rooted to, like, my family, my sisters, my parents, my kids.
• 23:58
  Like, I think listening to the podcast- You see that you kind of get the whole picture.
• 24:01
  You share it, yes.
• 24:02
  Versus my social media is a little bit more, like, you know- It's highlight reel I, you know- Even if you don't try to have it be.
• 24:08
  Just something that ends up happening because of the format of social media.
• 24:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:13
  Quick clips.
• 24:14
  It's like, how much can you share on there?
• 24:16
  You know what I mean?
• 24:16
  Right.
• 24:17
  Even when you do, like, the day in the life, right?
• 24:19
  It's, it's such short s- pieces of the day that you're editing together.
• 24:26
  You know what I mean?
• 24:26
  It is a weird thing.
• 24:28
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:28
  That, yes, I'm sure it gives a glimpse into it, but it's really not the full picture, and there's only so much you can say from those, you know?
• 24:35
  Right, or show.
• 24:36
  And, like, reveal, share from those.
• 24:38
  So even if you don't w- want it or mean it to be a highlight reel, it still is.
• 24:43
  Right.
• 24:43
  You know?
• 24:44
  Which- I don't know.
• 24:44
  What do you think?
• 24:45
  Do you think there's anything on the podcast that, like, do you think that- For you?
• 24:50
  For me, yeah.
• 24:51
  No, I think that you do a really accurate job of portraying kind of every aspect of your life, in a good way.
• 25:00
  It's a very well-rounded view of you, I think that that's- Yeah it's a fair view.
• 25:05
  I would say the same for you.
• 25:06
  But I agree with social media.
• 25:08
  I think that us dabbling in some of the humor and some of that, and, like, I think that's a very, yes, it's a portrayal of you, but it's, like, one-side portrayal of you.
• 25:18
  Right.
• 25:18
  That, you know- Well, I thought even working with you,'cause you were always, like, fashion, beauty influencer, I thought that you would have, like, packages showing up at your doorstep every day- Mm with, like, tons of clothes and tons of makeup.
• 25:28
  Like, you like makeup and clothes- Mm-hmm but, like, that's only, like, a small- Yes piece of you.
• 25:33
  Yes, it is.
• 25:34
  Like, y- there are so many other things that- Yeah like, make you you.
• 25:37
  Yeah, and honestly- Like, you know?
• 25:38
  that's changed a lot.
• 25:40
  So I think that me, my online persona has grown with me- Right because that used to be the case for me.
• 25:48
  And then I hate to say this, but, like, when I became a mom, I just kind of, I don't know if it's not something I'm as passionate about or if I just don't have as much time, but it feels like a very small part of me now.
• 26:02
  I don't wanna say I don't care or I don't like those things,'cause I certainly do, but I used to thrive off of that, like being a big part of my personality, and it's just not anymore, and I'm okay with that, you know?
• 26:13
  I don't shop, like, all the time like I used to, and I don't...
• 26:17
  I kind of am, like, done trying all the new things, you know?
• 26:21
  Like, I used to be like,"Oh, I c- I wanna try this and I wanna try that." And you get to a point, I think, just in life and in age where you just like what you like.
• 26:30
  And you're like,"I don't need to keep up with the trends." But it's also wor- but it's also working for you.
• 26:34
  Well- this, whatever this new phase that you're in- Yeah I feel like the blend of, like, your classic style- Yeah and, like, a few trendy pieces here and there I feel like is working for you.
• 26:44
  Well, it's p- it has taken- I like it a load of pressure off of me.
• 26:48
  I could say that.
• 26:49
  I used to be, like, more,"Okay, I need this.
• 26:52
  I need this, and I need to keep up with this." And, like, it wasn't that I was trying, it just was, like, what happens, right?
• 26:58
  Like, I like trends and I like fashion and I like to keep up and I like to know what's new and I like to be involved in that.
• 27:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:05
  I wasn't trying to be something I wasn't.
• 27:07
  You know what I mean?
• 27:08
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:08
  It's just that's not all of who I am anymore.
• 27:11
  Yeah.
• 27:11
  So I've scaled that part back tremendously.
• 27:14
  It feels like a huge weight off of me to not care about the newest trend, right?
• 27:21
  Like, you just see these fashion trends or beauty trends or whatever trend go through.
• 27:27
  It's like you just see it, filter through Instagram- Right where it's just everywhere.
• 27:31
  Well, the wor- I mean, the word trend means that it's gonna be followed up with something else very quickly after.
• 27:35
  Right, right.
• 27:35
  So if you don't have the time to invest to follow them and keep going- eh.
• 27:40
  You know?
• 27:40
  Like, it's, it's, yes.
• 27:41
  It's, like, very tiring.
• 27:42
  It's tiring.
• 27:42
  You'd rather spend your time doing something else.
• 27:44
  Yeah.
• 27:44
  Investing in something that, is working for you.
• 27:46
  Yeah.
• 27:46
  You know?
• 27:47
  And just also being at peace with, I don't have to be, like, the trendiest girl on Instagram and, like- And also still look really good if I miss a trend, like- That's okay it's okay.
• 27:57
  Like, I don't need those pieces.
• 27:59
  Like, I feel like I just don't have the mental space to care- Yeah right now.
• 28:05
  I, and I don't wanna say that I, like, don't have it at all.
• 28:08
  I just don't have it- Right the same way I used to have it.
• 28:10
  Right.
• 28:10
  Like- I w- I went away with Mila for spring break.
• 28:13
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:13
  And I said I shopped my closet.
• 28:15
  Oh, wait.
• 28:15
  'Cause I didn't buy anything new for the trip.
• 28:17
  I shopped my closet.
• 28:18
  I wore all old bathing suits.
• 28:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:20
  And first of all I think we need to just all be okay with wearing the same bathing suits over and over again.
• 28:24
  I know.
• 28:24
  We live in a very short season- Mm-hmm of summer here in Connecticut.
• 28:27
  It's only three months.
• 28:28
  You can wear those same bathing suits for those three months, and then the next year for three months, and then the next year for three months.
• 28:33
  Like, who- Like- People probably won't even remember it's, it's not even, they're not even, swimsuits aren't even really that tr- Mm they don't even have to be that trendy.
• 28:39
  One piece, two piece, they don't even have to be that trendy.
• 28:42
  So I shopped my closet, and I was so happy to share my looks.
• 28:45
  I couldn't link them for anybody because they were old.
• 28:47
  Yeah.
• 28:47
  But I was happy to, like, just re-wear my stuff.
• 28:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 28:50
  So then Saturday, Nick and I went on a last-minute dinner, and he was like,"Just throw something on and let's go." And I was like,"I don't have any throw something on clothes-" Ah"ready to go." So I spent all day Sunday going through my closet-'Cause that's a bad feeling looking through,'cause I was like,"I'm not going shopping right now." No.
• 29:06
  But I think if you know me, you think,"Oh my God, she's got so many clothes.
• 29:09
  She's got so many things," whatever.
• 29:11
  But, like, I sometimes don't have anything to wear either.
• 29:14
  That, isn't that the worst feeling in the world?
• 29:16
  I was like,"I have nothing to wear." Oh my God.
• 29:18
  So I wore black silk pants, and this black top, and a leather jacket, and pointy shoes.
• 29:23
  Nick's like,"I said we were going to grab a quick bite down the road.
• 29:27
  Why are you so dressed up?" I was like,"I don't have any in-between clothes." This is the throw-on outfit.
• 29:31
  This, it's either this or I put on my Alo Yoga set.
• 29:34
  Athleisure, I know.
• 29:36
  I f- There's, I don't have anything in the middle.
• 29:37
  You know what?
• 29:38
  And that's, that is funny-'cause I have felt like that too, and that's honestly when I lose it, is when I'm like, I don't have anything in between.
• 29:44
  I either have, like, I'm going to a sporting event with my child- Mm-hmm or I'm actually going to a workout class, or I have, like, really dressed up holiday outfits.
• 29:54
  Like, I have a holiday event every freakin' day of the week, and, like, there's not a lot in between.
• 30:00
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• 31:10
  So how about like, all right, we wanna talk about something that, could cause tension between us- Oh or has caused tension between us- Hmm but we think we've maybe worked through.
• 31:22
  Hopefully.
• 31:22
  Or maybe we've just shut the fuck up.
• 31:25
  Hopefully we have worked through.
• 31:26
  So, but I wanted, I do wanna say this to you.
• 31:28
  What?
• 31:28
  I was at Sam's last week.
• 31:30
  Oh, God.
• 31:30
  No, where I do a lot of, whereas I'm sure you do a lot of your, like editing your podcast stuff or like creative stuff when you're sitting in the salon chair.
• 31:38
  Oh, yeah.
• 31:39
  Who doesn't get their best ideas- Oh, yeah when they're talking to their hairdresser?
• 31:42
  Right.
• 31:42
  Right.
• 31:42
  Like her and I, look, we could build an empire together- while we're sitting in that...
• 31:46
  It's like talking to the bartender over a few drinks.
• 31:48
  So true.
• 31:48
  Like so inspired.
• 31:49
  Anyways, but we were pinging back and forth and she goes,"Oh, what are you doing?" And I was like,"Oh, I'm just brain dumping for like an idea that I have." Yeah.
• 31:57
  And it reminded me that you never make me repeat my work.
• 32:00
  When I brain dump and I come to you with an idea- Hmm you've never said to me,"That's a bad idea.
• 32:06
  I don't like that idea." I've never said no.
• 32:08
  "We're not doing that." You never say no, and I was thinking, like I, you could make me repeat my work.
• 32:13
  But I feel like- But why would I make you?
• 32:14
  We're a partnership.
• 32:15
  I know, but if you didn't love the work that I, like the direction that I was going in- True you could say,"I don't like that direction." I think I just trust you so much, especially now.
• 32:24
  Right.
• 32:24
  It's coming na- Yeah it comes natural to you to trust me, but I'm saying that it could go a different way.
• 32:28
  Oh, it could go a different way.
• 32:29
  I could spend an hour on something and you could be like- Yeah"I don't care for that." You know, back to the drawing board, but you've never done that to me before.
• 32:35
  I think very early on when we were trying- We had some friction to get into a workflow- Mm-hmm there was friction because I am very stubborn and I like won't give up until I can do it, and I, there was just some areas that I just couldn't do.
• 32:49
  You just said it.
• 32:50
  You said that like you're a doer and you like to do everything, and- I've been in this business a long time, and I th- and you get to a point- Well, you are s- you're like that too, though.
• 33:01
  I am.
• 33:01
  That's a similarity of ours.
• 33:02
  But I also know when to let go of things, and when to let, when it makes sense to have someone else step in and do it.
• 33:10
  Right.
• 33:10
  Right.
• 33:11
  And that's a very live and learn business owning, content creation.
• 33:15
  You can't do everything.
• 33:17
  You physically can't do everything, but then it doesn't always make sense.
• 33:20
  Even if you could do it, it doesn't always make sense to time efficiently to do everything yourself.
• 33:26
  So there was friction between us at the beginning where I would be like,"First of all, let me handle this.
• 33:31
  I can get it done.
• 33:32
  You're telling me it's taking you all day to edit something." Right.
• 33:35
  "I could literally do it in my sleep, and you don't have to worry about it." And you're like,"No, you're, like, missing the point.
• 33:41
  I want to do it." Right.
• 33:43
  And there was friction.
• 33:44
  I was like,"Let it go." And you're like,"No, I wanna learn how to do this." And so there was tension between us and until we bo- I said,"You know what?
• 33:52
  If you wanna learn how to do it, then, like, learn how to do it.
• 33:55
  But it doesn't always mean that you have to do it." You know what I mean?
• 33:57
  Right.
• 33:58
  That's a g- a lesson.
• 33:59
  And it took us a while of us passing things back and forth, and then we finally both agreed to hire somebody because neither of us had the time or, like, mental bandwidth to keep up with all of the things that need to happen behind the scenes of this podcast in order for it to be any sort of successful and any s- any sort of, like, ability to even listen to it.
• 34:20
  We had to have somebody else come in and help us.
• 34:23
  But there was a lot of tension, I think, at the beginning, especially before we had a workflow.
• 34:28
  Right.
• 34:28
  I think that that's, like, our word, where we're like- Well, I think even before- we had a workflow we hired somebody to help be, like, a great addition to our workflow.
• 34:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:35
  We had figured out a workflow- Mm-hmm before we hired somebody.
• 34:38
  We both figured out, like, where our strengths were in this, where, you know, my weakness was in this, and where I could say,"You know what?
• 34:45
  You are so much better at this.
• 34:47
  I can confidently say you do this, and I'm gonna do something else." Yeah.
• 34:50
  But I think in the beginning when you're trying to do something, you wanna do everything.
• 34:53
  I- At least for me.
• 34:54
  I do.
• 34:54
  And I'm so stubborn.
• 34:55
  I think it's great.
• 34:56
  I think it's, like, a g- a good problem to have because I think that- it's a s- it's like learning skills is never a bad thing.
• 35:04
  Like, knowing how things work I remember listening to Conversations with Cam.
• 35:08
  I love Cameron Rogers.
• 35:09
  She's one of my favorite podcasters.
• 35:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:11
  I love her podcast, and I have tremendous respect for her- Mm-hmm as a content creator.
• 35:15
  And I remember she said that she w- was at the point where she had the ability to have someone else do the podcast for her and rejected that because she said,"What, am I gonna not know how to put out a podcast?
• 35:28
  Like, if I wanna h- put out a podcast-" I'm a podcaster"I wanna put out a po- I wanna put out a podcast." And so I do think that there's a good thing in knowing your skill and knowing it well, but then there's a point where you just have to, like, also let things go and, like, also know where you're needed and where your energy can serve things best.
• 35:47
  And that's a very, very hard, and also push and pull thing to do, and it's a growing pain, right?
• 35:55
  Mm-hmm.
• 35:55
  But I think we've worked through our workflow, and I'm very proud of, like, how far we've come.
• 36:04
  I feel like I listen to The Toast.
• 36:06
  I follow a ton of Instagrammers online that are duos, right?
• 36:11
  And I always find it fascinating.
• 36:14
  Like, how does that work?
• 36:15
  Do you each contribute in a specific way?
• 36:19
  Like- I know.
• 36:19
  Like, do you listen to Lipstick on the Rim with- Yes, yes Molly Sims and Emma Chamberlain?
• 36:23
  Yep.
• 36:23
  The podcast is called Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims.
• 36:26
  You're right.
• 36:26
  But if you listen- It's her and her co-host Emma Chamberlain is- Yes just as much a co- like, a, a host of that show as Molly Sims.
• 36:33
  Molly Sims, maybe because she has the bigger name- Yep maybe she gets that.
• 36:36
  Yep.
• 36:37
  But, like, if you listen- Yep Emma Chamberlain's, like, right in there with her.
• 36:42
  So yeah, so it's interesting, like- the dynamics when you try to dissect these dynamics of these, like, dual host podcasts.
• 36:48
  Yeah, and I like when- I don't have to dissect, and when they lift it and they're like,"This is how it works," like, I just, I feel like there's so many influencers where there's two influencers styling things, and it's like, how does that work?
• 37:01
  Like, you get campaigns, and, like, one takes a campaign and the other one's not involved in it, and I, I just find it fascinating.
• 37:08
  Well, you probably look- Like, I wanna know you probably look that way because of your, you know, history in content creation- Yeah, and I just find it- and doing solo campaigns.
• 37:16
  Yeah.
• 37:16
  So you're probably interested in how people split things.
• 37:18
  I'm like,"Huh, how does that work?" I'm also like, wow, I'm sure that makes it easier, because it's always easier when you have another brain to work with, when you have another set of hands to do things.
• 37:28
  It also, like, helps with your ability to, like, crank content out if you have someone else doing it with you.
• 37:33
  Yeah, but if you're in a right, good workflow, if you are too many cooks in the kitchen, and, like, when we first started and we couldn't get out of our own way- Yep then it could really slow you down- It can'cause you have to run something b- you have to run all your creative by somebody else.
• 37:45
  Yeah, you can't just, like, on the fly do something, make a decision, all of the things.
• 37:49
  So I just find it very interesting to hear.
• 37:53
  That's why I think I, I'm, I wanna talk about that today, because I just think it's interesting I don't know, like, behind the scenes of a duo or a group or anything.
• 38:02
  Right.
• 38:02
  So what are the behind the scenes of our duo?
• 38:05
  What would you tell our listeners, then?
• 38:06
  So we have, our studio is at T's house.
• 38:10
  So- Tita, I guess our workflow, T does a lot of like the prep work upfront.
• 38:15
  Like I feel like you do a lot of the like scheduling of the guests.
• 38:18
  Well, I feel like I'm always in work mode now.
• 38:20
  'Cause I'm always thinking- You got turned it on, yeah I'm always think- but this is in the best way possible.
• 38:25
  Like I'm always thinking like,"Oh my gosh, this is a really interesting story." Mm-hmm.
• 38:28
  I don't think just I should be limited to hearing this story.
• 38:31
  I think that like our audience should hear this story.
• 38:34
  Yeah, you have like your feelers out all the time.
• 38:36
  So I'm always like,"Oh my God, you would be such an interesting guest," or,"This is such a cool angle.
• 38:40
  Would you be willing to share your story- Mm-hmm on our podcast?" And a lot of times, like 30 something times, the answer has been,"Yes.
• 38:47
  Sure, I would love to." And then they think they're coming on for one thing, and then I'm like,"No, but I want it to be centered in rediscovery, in women, in evolution." And you know, like I want, you know, that's what Christina and I want at its core.
• 39:00
  You like, you hone the topic, right?
• 39:02
  Yeah.
• 39:02
  Like really well, and then you work on a lot of the, the flow of the episode and the goals of the episode.
• 39:10
  Yeah.
• 39:10
  And even if I come up with an idea, I always pass that to you because even if I'm the one that's like I was able to secure a guest or you know what I think would be a really amazing topic, this.
• 39:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:22
  I still ping it back to you, and then you finesse the flow, and the guide, and the questions, and the goal of the episode, and the angle, and the theme, and all of that.
• 39:32
  Yeah.
• 39:32
  And like you then come up with this guide that we kind of go off of that our Instagram people would probably see us like look down at our phones, and that's what we're referring to is kind of to stay on track.
• 39:43
  So you do a ton of that upfront.
• 39:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 39:46
  Then we like come in, we sit down, we record the episode.
• 39:49
  We have the equipment at your house.
• 39:51
  You th- handle a lot of the like recording logistics- Right like getting us set up.
• 39:54
  So when it, when it goes wrong, it's also my fault.
• 39:56
  No, it's both of us.
• 39:58
  But and then from there, I take a lot of the like back end.
• 40:03
  Yeah, you do the post editing stuff.
• 40:04
  The like, the post ed- so like the podcast has been recorded.
• 40:06
  I'm gonna finesse it, make sure everything sounds okay.
• 40:09
  I add the music.
• 40:11
  I add the ad if there's a sponsorship of the episode.
• 40:15
  I distribute it to all of the different net- podcast networks that pick it up that you listen to the episode on.
• 40:22
  And then we kind of both handle like some of the social media, although we do have our wonderful third Pippa, Angela, who helps us a ton with like behind the scenes stuff and all of our social media.
• 40:33
  But that's kind of like our workflow, and it took us a while to get to that point.
• 40:38
  Right.
• 40:38
  We can both do each other's jobs if we had to.
• 40:41
  Yes.
• 40:41
  But it's nice that we don't have to.
• 40:43
  Yes, and now it's, I think it's very efficient.
• 40:45
  But also allows, like I think when we started, we did an episode early on about like type A, type B.
• 40:50
  Mm-hmm.
• 40:50
  I think it's pretty obvious which one of us- is which person.
• 40:52
  And when I say a type B, like it's not that I'm a sloppy person.
• 40:55
  You're not.
• 40:56
  I just want- To get it done, and sometimes my creative gets stumped when I think about, like, the perfection that has to be handed in.
• 41:04
  Yeah.
• 41:04
  But if, but having this workflow, I'm able to be creative, ask the questions, get the whole story out, and then you can have it aesthetically look right, sound like- Fine-tune it ha- fine-tune it, so I think it's worked out well- Yeah to have this be the flow.
• 41:19
  Yes.
• 41:20
  And I don't even know if we ever really talked about it before until right now, but, like, that's really our personalities and how they've come to light in this podcast.
• 41:28
  Yeah, and also y- when you're part of a duo or part of any sort of group that's, like, hoping to achieve a goal, you know, you're, like, working towards something, it's very helpful to know what everyone's responsibilities are so that you know what's going on, like, what your tasks are to complete this.
• 41:44
  Right.
• 41:44
  And so at the beginning, you said"There's too many cooks in the kitchen." There were.
• 41:48
  We were both trying to do each other's jobs.
• 41:50
  Sometimes when you're both trying to do something, you, you can't get out of your own way, like you said, and that was happening to both of us, where it's like if we're both trying to do this, if we were both trying to make guides and compete with each other about what the epis- it's like, no, we got to a point where I just trust you, and I'm like,"You go, run with this," and, like, I'll be happy wi- you know what I mean?
• 42:10
  I know what the outcome will be because I know that we'll get to where we're going.
• 42:14
  Right, right.
• 42:15
  And it- We may or may not have white noise in the background.
• 42:18
  Who's to say?
• 42:20
  Who's to say?
• 42:21
  Stay tuned.
• 42:22
  What about any life updates?
• 42:23
  'Cause I said we've had so many new listeners, which is really exciting, and even just our old Pippa gals, like, anything, I feel like sometimes when we have, like, guest after guest and we haven't had, like, a chance to, like, update anything- Yeah like, anything going on that you wanna share?
• 42:38
  Life lately, so- Yeah, life lately okay, so my oldest is gonna be 13 in a few weeks.
• 42:43
  Insane.
• 42:43
  And my youngest is seven, and life lately is busy.
• 42:48
  Busy.
• 42:48
  But, like, busy because there's a lot of them, busy because they're in activities.
• 42:53
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:53
  Busy because everybody's healthy, feeling well- Yeah and, like, just doing- Yeah a lot of things.
• 42:58
  Good busy.
• 42:59
  Good busy.
• 43:00
  What I will say is not good is that Nick and I don't really get to hang out.
• 43:05
  We haven't, like, hung out lately.
• 43:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:07
  Like, we used to do, we used to get sitters a lot when they were younger and go out.
• 43:10
  I had, like, 10 babysitters, in my Rolodex when they were younger, and I would just call one, and one would come over every so often, and we would just go out.
• 43:19
  And now I cannot get out of my own way and- Is it because of the busyness?
• 43:22
  pull the trigger and have one come.
• 43:24
  And I think it's because of the busyness, but also, like, my kids are so much more needy of my face, and I, again, I don't wanna sound advicey, but, like, w- they didn't care as much when they were younger, and as, I feel like as they're getting older, it's getting harder- It's getting harder Which is crazy I feel like it was easier- Yeah when they were younger.
• 43:45
  We were just watching this movie last night, um, oh, God, it's like, no, it was a series, Margo's got money problems.
• 43:51
  Okay.
• 43:51
  And she, and it's real- it's, like, a funny show on, um, Prime, and she is a single mom.
• 43:56
  And she's like,"The baby's crying all night with colic and up all night." And Nick was like,"Do you remember that?" And I said,"I do, but, like, that to me looks easier than what I'm doing right now- Wow with the four of them." And it's just like, it's, like, a busy time in my life right now.
• 44:11
  Yeah.
• 44:11
  You're like, I mean, it's, you're like a manager- Like, my day- of everything is gonna start- Yeah in 20 minutes when this podcast is over, and we have, like, so much stuff to do.
• 44:20
  You're, I know- Like, it's a busy season you always would say that your day would start at, like, 2:00 or 3:00, and you're, like, running around until 10:00.
• 44:28
  And to me, that does sound very exhausting.
• 44:31
  Like, I can't- Yeah, it's a busy- My kids are little it's a busy season for me right now.
• 44:34
  But other than that, other than it being just, like, very busy- Mm-hmm and them requiring, they have a ton of questions.
• 44:40
  They ask me so many questions.
• 44:42
  When we were at lunch on Friday- Yep we were talking about- Yeah how two of our kids are very curious.
• 44:45
  Yep.
• 44:46
  And we have to be- You have to be on for the questions prepared with answers.
• 44:49
  Prepared.
• 44:49
  Whoo.
• 44:50
  And sometimes I'm not prepared, and I'm like,"I can't talk right now." I know.
• 44:55
  I was telling you off air, but we just started dabbling into, like, activities, right?
• 45:00
  Youth sports.
• 45:01
  They're starting.
• 45:02
  Youth sports.
• 45:03
  My daughter is, is two.
• 45:04
  She's been enrolled in gymnastics f- all year.
• 45:07
  That's just, like, an activity to get her and I out of the house.
• 45:10
  But we enrolled Leo in T-ball- Mm-hmm this year, so it was his first season doing T-ball.
• 45:16
  And- His first bout of, uh- Yeah organized sports.
• 45:20
  Yes, not just, like, we're showing up to get energy out.
• 45:23
  You know what I mean?
• 45:23
  Right, right, right.
• 45:23
  Like that type of thing.
• 45:24
  We're here to play a game.
• 45:25
  We're on a team.
• 45:25
  Yes, and- We're wearing matching uniforms.
• 45:27
  This is a thing.
• 45:27
  Yes.
• 45:28
  And so it's like they got the matching hat and the matching jersey, and they're playing a game.
• 45:34
  He's four.
• 45:35
  And it was honestly a little bit more intense than I thought.
• 45:41
  And we also had a little bit of anxiety going into it and anxiety afterwards about performance.
• 45:49
  Oh, my gosh.
• 45:50
  And it made me really sad.
• 45:51
  I was like,"Wow, We're already here, like we're four, and we're already worried about our performance- of w- of how we did at the game- with other four and five-year-olds.
• 46:03
  Like, it just, it seemed a little much for me.
• 46:06
  So I don't know.
• 46:07
  I kind of feel like we're, I'm just like dipping my toe into that world, and I hear all of you guys that are a little bit ahead with your kids, and I'm like, wow, this is, like this is really intense.
• 46:18
  Like you- Yeah, but I love that you were at that game and you weren't adding to it and adding to the anxiety.
• 46:24
  Yeah.
• 46:24
  Well- Because I do think that that you could have gone in that direction too.
• 46:28
  You could have done a,"You're fine.
• 46:30
  Forget it.
• 46:31
  It's just a game.
• 46:32
  You're only four.
• 46:33
  It's not a big deal." But instead you like, were like,"Wait a minute, this is like a lot- This is a lot for, for you.
• 46:39
  Like this is a lot.
• 46:40
  Yeah.
• 46:40
  You know?
• 46:40
  Like you poor thing.
• 46:41
  Let's- Yeah let's, you know- Yeah.
• 46:44
  Let's figure this out circle around this and figure this out together.
• 46:46
  Yeah.
• 46:46
  I needed to do a little bit more hand-holding, and I needed to be a little bit more involved because- Right I just don't feel like we were there yet.
• 46:54
  You know?
• 46:54
  There was too much pressure on him.
• 46:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:56
  And it made me sad.
• 46:58
  It just was a moment where I, I got very sad, and I was like, This is supposed to be fun.
• 47:03
  Mm-hmm.
• 47:03
  You know what I mean?
• 47:04
  And like w- the, there, the environment is already full of pressure.
• 47:09
  Right.
• 47:09
  And I'm kind of of the mind of like you have your whole life to feel like that.
• 47:14
  What I remembered being involved in activities is that- fun.
• 47:19
  See- And- I don't remember fun.
• 47:21
  I remember the pressure.
• 47:22
  Yeah.
• 47:23
  And so I think that it's amazing that you remembered the fun- Mm and that's what you want him to remember too.
• 47:28
  Yeah.
• 47:29
  'Cause I don't remember, like, I don't remember looking back on my childhood playing sports and thinking like,"That was so fun." I should say that I didn't play competitive sports though.
• 47:36
  I remember thinking like, that was so scary.
• 47:38
  Like, I had, was, I was riddled with anxiety about it.
• 47:41
  I was part of a dance team.
• 47:42
  I was part of a theater program.
• 47:43
  I did do some- Yeah, but dance team, that's competition It is, but I remember it being fun.
• 47:47
  I don't remember it being stressful.
• 47:50
  I remember loving it.
• 47:51
  I loved being part of theater.
• 47:53
  I did play I played softball one season.
• 47:55
  Like, I did some, but it was fun.
• 47:57
  It was like, to learn.
• 47:58
  Right.
• 47:58
  And it wasn't so much pressure.
• 48:00
  It felt intense for me, but it might have just been that I'm, like, so far removed from this, and we talk about how sports has been.
• 48:07
  It went from being rec to, like, very, very competitive.
• 48:11
  Mm-hmm.
• 48:11
  And I just feel like it felt a little early- Yeah for that, but I felt like I got a taste of it.
• 48:16
  Right.
• 48:16
  And I was like,"Holy shit." I-"I don't know if I'm ready for this-" My, um- parenting" my middle sister, Nicole, played softball.
• 48:23
  She played the competitive softball, in, like, a travel team.
• 48:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 48:26
  And her and my dad traveled every weekend from when she was in, like, seventh grade to high school.
• 48:31
  Maybe even younger.
• 48:32
  Maybe they started in fifth grade.
• 48:34
  And we were on the phone the other day, and she was like,"You know, like, I don't play softball anymore." Yeah.
• 48:38
  "It's not even a part of my life.
• 48:39
  It hasn't been a part of my life for so long." Yeah.
• 48:42
  And I said,"So when you look back, are you happy you did it?" Mm-hmm.
• 48:45
  And she said,"I am so happy I did it, because even though I'm not actively playing softball anymore, I had really good memories." Right.
• 48:52
  "It taught me really good time management skills." Yeah.
• 48:55
  "It taught me how to be responsible,'cause I would go with Dad, so Dad wasn't washing my uniform or packing my lunch.
• 48:59
  Like, it taught me all of these other things." So I think when you're looking at youth sports, you have to look at the whole picture, and ultimately, like, you want your kid to be having fun and have good- Memories memories.
• 49:12
  Yes, I agree.
• 49:13
  Yeah.
• 49:13
  It's wild.
• 49:13
  And I think it's good to kinda, like, your poor son was not making a good memory that day.
• 49:17
  No.
• 49:18
  He was like,"Ah." But since we had, we went back, and we had another day and a d- a little bit of a different experience.
• 49:24
  But I don't, I still don't know how I feel about it.
• 49:26
  Okay.
• 49:27
  All right.
• 49:27
  Well, you're, well, it's live.
• 49:29
  It's coming to you live.
• 49:30
  Yeah.
• 49:30
  I, that was- So you may, you may have to marinate on that a little bit.
• 49:33
  Yeah, I have to marinate on my thoughts about it.
• 49:34
  But your gut is probably like,"No, I don't like this." Yeah, and I also think I have, it was, like, a moment where I was like, oh, we're in this next level of parenting, you know?
• 49:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 49:45
  We've been in baby land, and then toddler land, and I'm like, now we're in this different, you know, like, activities where it, and it's, it's different.
• 49:54
  And then there's other- It's a different animal parents involved.
• 49:55
  Yes.
• 49:55
  And you hear other parents.
• 49:57
  Yes.
• 49:57
  Like, when Joseph first started hockey- I was baffled that other parents would yell at the players.
• 50:05
  I'm like,"You know that their parents are here somewhere.
• 50:07
  Like, this kid's just not on the ice.
• 50:09
  Like, he didn't just get dropped off here." Yeah, the intensity.
• 50:11
  Like, m- most likely- Yeah this seven-year-old has a grandma or grandpa or a mom- Yeah and dad somewhere in this stand.
• 50:17
  Yeah.
• 50:17
  And you can just freely yell, like,"You suck, number 10," like, but it happens all the time.
• 50:22
  Like, the level of intensity, you almost become numb to it- Yeah because it's so crazy.
• 50:28
  I have a lot of thoughts, and I think this would be a r- actually a really fun episode to talk to- Mm-hmm somebody about.
• 50:34
  Maybe if you Pippas know anybody that we could talk to that would, like, be a good third person in here.
• 50:39
  Mm-hmm.
• 50:39
  It doesn't have to be, like, a coach or anything, but it may- something.
• 50:42
  Well, like a sports psychologist?
• 50:44
  Something.
• 50:44
  I was on, like, a rant with some of my girlfriends over the weekend just because I was like, it's the millennial parents doing this, running this shit.
• 50:54
  What is wrong with us?
• 50:55
  We're that competitive and we always talk about, I don't, I'm gonna get myself on, like, a soapbox.
• 50:59
  No, it's okay.
• 51:00
  But, like- Tell me we are always on this whole, like, generational trauma rants about what was done to us.
• 51:07
  And, we have all this anxiety, and we're dealing with all this shit now as millennials, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 51:12
  And we're always just ranting about what was done to us, and this is what we're doing to our kids.
• 51:18
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:19
  It's too fucking intense.
• 51:20
  I'm sorry.
• 51:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:20
  Like, it's too intense.
• 51:21
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:21
  Like, so I have thoughts about it.
• 51:24
  Cool.
• 51:24
  And I would love to talk to somebody- I wanna hear your thoughts about it'cause I got it and I've heard glimmers and I, so it's not like, you know, but I saw it a little bit, and I was like,"This is all millennial parents." But you can, you're speaking from experience now.
• 51:35
  You saw it firsthand over the weekend.
• 51:37
  Yeah, and there wasn't like- You know?
• 51:37
  I saw anything wrong.
• 51:39
  It was just not an environment that I was like, I was just, like, a little, like, oof.
• 51:43
  Okay.
• 51:43
  Yeah.
• 51:43
  Wow.
• 51:43
  Yeah.
• 51:44
  Wow.
• 51:45
  It was just a little wow.
• 51:46
  Yeah.
• 51:46
  Me, I took, I went, so Mila, she's a therapist, and I've been seeing her.
• 51:50
  M- Mila Chan.
• 51:51
  Without Mila there.
• 51:52
  Yeah.
• 51:52
  I've been seeing her.
• 51:52
  Yeah.
• 51:53
  So I went last week, and I said to w- we went on this whole other tangent about how I'm afraid of I'm raising lazy kids- Mm-hmm because they won't bring up the trash, and they won't do this, and they won't do that.
• 52:04
  And she was like,"I have to stop you for a second.
• 52:07
  I think your generation is too intense." We are too intense.
• 52:11
  And she said it, she didn't maybe say it exactly like that.
• 52:14
  Well, we are.
• 52:14
  But she, I really much appreciated what she was trying to say.
• 52:17
  She's like,"So your kid doesn't bring up the trash can.
• 52:20
  It doesn't mean he's gonna be lazy." Mm-hmm.
• 52:22
  You, your generation needs to stop thinking that- People are lazy Mm-hmm It, they're, they're not.
• 52:27
  They're just not running themselves ragged the way you are We're just output, the output is nuts.
• 52:32
  Right.
• 52:32
  And the, like, we're not letting kids be kids.
• 52:35
  That's the vibe that I'm getting.
• 52:36
  You know what I'm saying?
• 52:37
  Like, I just think it, it's very intense.
• 52:39
  I could be wrong, and I might have people come at me for that point of view, for the very little point of view that I got, but that's the vibe that I'm getting, and I think- I think you need to go- we need to relax I think you need to go with your gut.
• 52:51
  And I think that you need to appreciate, I appreciate that.
• 52:54
  Yeah.
• 52:55
  I think if you walk away from something like that, like It wasn't eh.
• 52:59
  It was just- Oh, it wasn't?
• 53:00
  Okay.
• 53:00
  It wasn't eh.
• 53:02
  It was just wow.
• 53:04
  That's how I felt.
• 53:06
  So that's that.
• 53:09
  Okay.
• 53:09
  Hang on, I'm just texting the boys to grab the girls.
• 53:11
  I know, and I...
• 53:11
  Okay.
• 53:11
  So let's do a, a couple more, like, rapid fire questions- Mm-hmm maybe followed by a listener question or two that we've- Mm-hmm gotten in our DMs, and then we gotta wrap it up because- Mm-hmm we've been recording all day.
• 53:25
  Yeah.
• 53:26
  And hopefully this makes, hopefully this makes it out.
• 53:29
  Oh, my God.
• 53:29
  Um- I don't even understand what is something that we've recorded that we didn't release?
• 53:34
  Do you remember?
• 53:36
  Oh, Leah's episode.
• 53:38
  Well, we've had a few, but yeah, we had Leah Miceli back on, our favorite Pilates queen, and she was actually on to talk about her pregnancy and how exciting that is, and then she, and then she was- And all things nutrition gonna talk about nutrition, and she was completely understanding because she's a content creator and films herself all the time, and she's like,"Do you know how many times I've recorded an entire workout and it hasn't recorded?" And we were like,"Oh my God, please don't hate us." But she's gonna come back on'cause that was one.
• 54:06
  And then we did have another one that we recorded- We ran out of storage, remember?
• 54:09
  and it actually...
• 54:10
  Yes, but remember how happy we were that it actually- Yeah,'cause we re-recorded it and it was better we didn't even love it, and we were like, we knew that we weren't loving it while we were recording it, and it didn't record.
• 54:20
  And so then we were like,"Okay, we're gonna, like, rework this a little bit," and I think it was one about anxiety or something.
• 54:27
  It was one of, one of the ones- that it was just the two of us.
• 54:29
  It was very fitting.
• 54:30
  But we re- we re-recorded that one, and we were much happier with, like, the direction.
• 54:35
  Yeah, it performed well.
• 54:36
  And it performed really well.
• 54:38
  What's something that could actually cause tension between us?
• 54:43
  I think sometimes I'm more comfortable talking about one thing and you're not.
• 54:46
  Yes.
• 54:47
  And then you wanna talk about something, and I'm like,"Eh, I feel like that's dumb." Yeah.
• 54:51
  You know?
• 54:51
  Yeah.
• 54:51
  Like when we just don't wanna talk about- Yes the same things.
• 54:53
  Because we don't.
• 54:54
  Or I want to elaborate in one area and you don't.
• 54:56
  Yeah.
• 54:56
  But we can't, we can't do that.
• 54:58
  Because in a conversation- You need it to flow if you're having just, you're have, if you're having just a normal conversation, one person can just be quiet.
• 55:05
  Yeah.
• 55:05
  And the other person can let it go.
• 55:07
  Yeah.
• 55:07
  And vice versa, but when we're recording a podcast, we have to- It has to flow we ha- it has to flow.
• 55:11
  Yeah.
• 55:11
  And there has to be both points of view.
• 55:13
  Yep, yep, yep.
• 55:13
  And I think that can definitely cause conflict.
• 55:16
  Yep.
• 55:16
  Right?
• 55:16
  Yep.
• 55:17
  Or tension.
• 55:17
  I guess it could.
• 55:18
  Yeah, friction, tension.
• 55:19
  Yeah, I totally agree.
• 55:21
  Um- What do you think?
• 55:22
  No, I would totally agree with that.
• 55:24
  Yeah.
• 55:24
  What about what version of me do people see that isn't fully accurate?
• 55:30
  So I, I don't know, I think it's coming through Christina loves to eat.
• 55:33
  I do.
• 55:33
  She loves, she loves humor.
• 55:35
  I do.
• 55:36
  She loves a joke.
• 55:37
  If you read our text threads, like your texting is so funny.
• 55:42
  It is?
• 55:42
  Like, yes, it is.
• 55:44
  It's so funny.
• 55:44
  Like, you just have, like, the best- I'm a bad texter, but when I a- when I text- When you are- it comes through when you are, uh, in a mood- Ugh, which is a lot and you are texting, especially with Ange- Yeah.
• 55:55
  you, you go for it, and I, and you are very punchy and very funny.
• 55:59
  Ange is my ride or die, and I can say anything in front of her, so she does get the best version of me, so that's very true.
• 56:05
  Yeah.
• 56:06
  I feel like that.
• 56:07
  Th- that would be, like, my th- like, things about you.
• 56:09
  Okay.
• 56:09
  I like that.
• 56:10
  That you, that, uh, your humor comes through here.
• 56:13
  Oh, well, thank you.
• 56:14
  That's nice.
• 56:14
  And it's one of my favorite things about you.
• 56:16
  Oh, thank you.
• 56:17
  I feel like I've been doing a little bit more of the humor on my page too.
• 56:20
  It's my favorite.
• 56:21
  And it's been, yeah, it feels very organic to me, which I fe- feel like other people have been saying,"Well, that's interesting," and I'm like,"Well, then you don't know me." No.
• 56:31
  You know?
• 56:31
  Yeah, exactly.
• 56:32
  Exactly.
• 56:33
  Yeah.
• 56:33
  It's like what you- Yeah should be doing.
• 56:35
  Yes.
• 56:35
  The, I like acting, I like lip syncing, I like being silly, and it feels very me, and so if you think it doesn't feel very me, then you don't know me- Right very well.
• 56:47
  How about, I have one for you.
• 56:49
  Is there anything that you're irrationally annoyed by?
• 56:53
  Irrationally?
• 56:53
  Irrationally.
• 56:56
  Everything is irrational when you're annoyed, right?
• 56:59
  No.
• 57:00
  I don't know if I get...
• 57:01
  I do get- That's- fired up, but I don't get as fired- Yeah, that's actually not a good question for you.
• 57:05
  I don't get as fired up.
• 57:07
  That'd be a better question for you.
• 57:08
  I don't get as fired up, I think, like, as, like, Nick, my husband.
• 57:12
  Oh, I get...
• 57:12
  And like me.
• 57:13
  And like you.
• 57:14
  Yeah.
• 57:14
  Actually, the What?
• 57:16
  the other day, Nick comes in and he spilled his coffee in the car.
• 57:20
  He had an open container of coffee- Yeah and he spilled it in the car.
• 57:22
  Now, I bring an open container of coffee every morning- Ugh in the car.
• 57:26
  Nick doesn't.
• 57:26
  You pick me up in, with a open container and I'm about to have a heart attack.
• 57:30
  And so Nick spilled his hot coffee in the car, so he comes in the house and he's reciting these mantras to himself.
• 57:36
  And I go- It's not a big deal"What?" Don't ruin the day.
• 57:38
  "What is going on with you?" And he's like, I decided that when something bad happens, like I spill my coffee, I'm gonna tell myself three good things that happened." And so he's telling himself,"At least I still have hot coffee to drink.
• 57:49
  At least I'm still at home.
• 57:50
  At least it didn't get on my pants." Yeah, because he probably wants to scream and throw the thing.
• 57:55
  And I go,"If I spilled my coffee, I wouldn't even give it a second thought." I wish I could live like that.
• 58:01
  Or, or a first thought.
• 58:03
  Like, is my brain okay?
• 58:04
  Oh, I would be like,"Of course this happens to me." This is how I'm gonna start my day?
• 58:12
  How am I gonna recover from this?
• 58:14
  That's how, what would go through my mind just that way.
• 58:16
  So let's ping that question back to you.
• 58:17
  No,'cause I will be here- That's my mom- No that's my mom.
• 58:19
  We don't have time.
• 58:20
  We could have done that if our first episode recorded- but I don't have time today, so no, I can't sit here.
• 58:26
  What about something you judge but shouldn't?
• 58:29
  Sometimes I judge how people spend their time.
• 58:31
  Ooh.
• 58:31
  And I know I shouldn't.
• 58:32
  Like how, like what grinds your gears?
• 58:34
  Sometimes I judge how people spend their time.
• 58:35
  What would make you judgy?
• 58:37
  What time spent would make you judgy?
• 58:40
  Or side eye I think, I think because I'm so, maybe, and I don't try to be, but because I'm, like, productivity driven- You're, like, so busy and I'm busy, sometimes when other people aren't as busy, but then they, like, are like,"Oh, but I can't make time for that," I'm like,"Buck up." Yeah.
• 58:57
  Make time, bitch.
• 58:59
  Like, are you kidding?
• 59:00
  If I can figure this out, you can too.
• 59:03
  Honestly, sometimes I think the busier you are- And that's mean to say because, like, like, my therapist said to me, like, that's...
• 59:09
  We had this whole talk on this last week.
• 59:11
  Here we go, now I'm getting on my soapbox.
• 59:13
  We had this whole talk last week.
• 59:14
  She said it's not fair, and I told you this already.
• 59:17
  Yeah, you did tell me this.
• 59:18
  It is not fair that you put the same standards on your peers that you put on yourself.
• 59:22
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:22
  That's not fair.
• 59:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:23
  That would be like somebody saying to you that you have to do things my way.
• 59:26
  Right.
• 59:27
  Like, that's not fair.
• 59:27
  And you wouldn't like that.
• 59:28
  And I wouldn't like that.
• 59:29
  No.
• 59:29
  But sometimes I get a little judgey how pe- Mm people spend their time when I don't actually think they're that busy.
• 59:36
  Interesting.
• 59:37
  So.
• 59:37
  But I do think sometimes the more busy you are, the better you are at time managing yourself- I agree because it's just something that, like, almost becomes second nature'cause it has to.
• 59:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 59:48
  So you're better about, like, fitting littler things in- Mm-hmm because you're, like, so regimented and so busy.
• 59:55
  I almost think when you have too much time, that's what happens to me, I go, like, paralyzed where I'm like,"I don't even know where to start." So I almost do better on busy days than I do- Mm-hmm on non-busy days.
• 1:00:06
  Right.
• 1:00:06
  Because I feel like I'm more productive on busy days when, and then I get absolutely nothing done on days that are free, right?
• 1:00:13
  Right.
• 1:00:13
  Right.
• 1:00:13
  You know what I mean?
• 1:00:14
  No, you make- So I to- I agree with you that's a good counterargument to that.
• 1:00:16
  I agree with you.
• 1:00:17
  I agree with you.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah.
• 1:00:18
  What is your thing?
• 1:00:20
  Something I judge but shouldn't.
• 1:00:22
  She's got the judgey eyes right now.
• 1:00:25
  Um- Is she gonna tell us?
• 1:00:25
  I feel like, no, I will say I feel like I have become way less judgmental than I used to be before having kids and You've said that, like,"I have no business to judge anything." Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  I have no business judging how anybody does anything right now.
• 1:00:39
  I, and I feel like I'm a lot more compassionate and a lot more like, they must have something going on," you know?
• 1:00:45
  Like, I give people a lot more, like, free passes than I used to.
• 1:00:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:48
  I used to be, uh, not only hard on myself, and I still think I'm hard on myself, but I used to be hard on a lot of people d- in my own mind.
• 1:00:56
  So I think I give- Of course in your own mind.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah.
• 1:00:57
  You wouldn't, you're not gonna- Obviously cross the barrier and be confrontational.
• 1:01:01
  No,'cause I don't like to be confrontational all the time, but, like, in my own mind- Now, now it's getting weird.
• 1:01:06
  No, I- But in your mind, you're having a full out battle full on argument and full on judgment.
• 1:01:11
  And then I, but since I feel like the la- the last, like, handful of years and since just going through a lot of stuff on my own, I think, like, infertility and mental health struggles of my own since having kids and stuff, like, I kinda feel like I'm like, I'm a no- I am in no way, shape, or form- I wish I could get- approved to judge anybody I wish I can get to that point with the time management thing.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  But I'm not quite there yet.
• 1:01:33
  You will.
• 1:01:33
  Admitting it is the first step.
• 1:01:35
  You will.
• 1:01:35
  Okay, so I was checking, we've been checking the Pippa DM box, and q- couple questions for, like, each of us.
• 1:01:43
  I think because you've shown so much, like, your, like, day in the life videos, right?
• 1:01:47
  Like, you show how insanely busy your life is.
• 1:01:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:50
  So somebody asked,"Do you ever feel like you're being pulled in a million directions, and how do you actually handle that?" So, that's a good question.
• 1:01:58
  So I feel like I have a good foundation of mental health, so I'm able to do these things.
• 1:02:05
  I think that couple of years ago I didn't allow for such a full plate because I was mentally unstable.
• 1:02:11
  And I say that with a little bit of, like, laughter, but it's really not funny.
• 1:02:15
  I was always spiraling and thinking that, like, doomsday was coming, and that I couldn't handle things, and I would have a knot in my stomach like I couldn't get it done.
• 1:02:24
  And I think I built a little bit of confidence by doing these things.
• 1:02:27
  And resilience too.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, and I did it enough times that I was like,"All right.
• 1:02:32
  It's gonna be okay." Mm-hmm.
• 1:02:33
  "I can do this." And then I, from the, I don't know, I built some trust in, like, some allowing friends to carpool with my kids.
• 1:02:41
  Yep.
• 1:02:41
  I let my husband help me.
• 1:02:42
  You, like, accept help.
• 1:02:43
  Yep.
• 1:02:43
  I accepted some help.
• 1:02:45
  And I, yes, I'm busy with my kids, but I don't feel as if I'm being pulled in a million different directions.
• 1:02:52
  I feel like I'm just driving in, uh, in several directions, but, like, that's just- quite literally what I'm doing.
• 1:02:58
  I think from an outsider- I don't feel the pull as much perspective, I think that you have, like especially over the last few years, you have, like really allowed yourself to take care of yourself.
• 1:03:08
  Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  I think that, that has helped you too.
• 1:03:10
  I think with your anxiety, with just probably feeling pulled in a mil- like, you have, I don't wanna say put yourself first,'cause I don't think that you do.
• 1:03:19
  But like, I think that you've just allowed, you know what helps you.
• 1:03:24
  That's exactly right.
• 1:03:25
  Like, you know- I know what works now I need to do this so that I'm at a better version of myself for this.
• 1:03:31
  Right.
• 1:03:31
  And- another piece is that I would have anxiety if I like knew I w- had a lot coming up.
• 1:03:38
  Now I just know I have a lot coming up, and after I get it all done, I'm gonna be kinda wiped the next day, and then the next day needs to be like a chill day.
• 1:03:47
  Right.
• 1:03:47
  I can't burn the candle at both ends.
• 1:03:49
  Right.
• 1:03:49
  And so- That's a good, that's really good advice I think I can, I think I can do a lot- Mm-hmm and I think I can do a lot because I have like a better foundation- Yep for- Yep it all.
• 1:03:57
  Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  That was a really good question, and like I'm sure- Yeah, good question a lot of people feel like that.
• 1:04:01
  I think as people's kids are getting ur- like older and older, and like you're realizing all the things we talked about, like there's so much on everyone's plates.
• 1:04:09
  Like, that's such a relatable question.
• 1:04:11
  I'm sure so many people feel like that.
• 1:04:12
  And like I feel stretched thin with two, and I always look at you like,"I don't know how you have double the kids that I do." I can't imagine how stretched like I would be at that point, you know?
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, but I w- I felt more un- unstable when I had two kids- Mm-hmm than I do now with four.
• 1:04:28
  Wild.
• 1:04:28
  That's so crazy.
• 1:04:29
  I just somehow at this current moment- Mm-hmm I know I shared this earlier, I'm just trying to figure out like- Mm how I'm gonna get out of dodge with my husband.
• 1:04:38
  Like, stay tuned.
• 1:04:41
  Okay, so, uh, this is interesting.
• 1:04:44
  So I think our listeners also follow you closely on social media.
• 1:04:48
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:48
  So this question is, what has made you lean into mom humor on your social media and a little bit less fashion-centric?
• 1:04:59
  Oh we kind of talked about it, but I guess we didn't talk about the why.
• 1:05:03
  Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  But I ju- so I did f- I had felt a little bit disconnected from fashion content.
• 1:05:10
  It's not that it's not a part of my life, which we talked about, it's just that it's not, like, a humongous focal point, or, like, there's just so many other pillars that are more important to me.
• 1:05:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:20
  And it kind of became, like, the background of, like, who I actually am.
• 1:05:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:24
  And I still like to get dressed and all that, it just wa- it was feeling a little bit fraudulent.
• 1:05:29
  I can't explain what it was feeling like.
• 1:05:31
  And I did talk about this in a couple of other episodes, but, like, woven in.
• 1:05:36
  But I just it, I wasn't feeling like myself making that content.
• 1:05:41
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:41
  Like, I was, like, spinning around my room in, like, dresses and stuff, and I'm like,"Where the fuck am I going?" Like, I'm not...
• 1:05:48
  Like, it's like, six dresses for this, and it's like I, like, I don't, like, it just- I'm not even going to this Yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Like, it ju- it was really feeling like the content that was working for me for so long was, like, not working for me anymore.
• 1:06:00
  And I felt like I couldn't do it, like, where it felt like me.
• 1:06:05
  And I was, so I did take a little bit of a pause, and I ha- and I feel like this podcast helped me so much, like, identify what I wanted to do next.
• 1:06:15
  And I honestly debated quitting and just doing this podcast, but I was also like, no, I feel like I've built this.
• 1:06:21
  Like, I need a refresh for it to feel like me.
• 1:06:24
  And I've always done humor.
• 1:06:26
  Like, if you look back at my account, like, probably since Reels came out, I- I've done humor.
• 1:06:31
  You did a lot during COVID too.
• 1:06:32
  I wove, I did a lot during COVID.
• 1:06:33
  Do you remember?
• 1:06:34
  I just love watching your stuff during COVID.
• 1:06:35
  I did.
• 1:06:35
  I would always do, like, lip syncs and little skits- Mm-hmm and dancing and all that stuff.
• 1:06:39
  You're good at them.
• 1:06:40
  And I loved it, and it, it made me feel very happy.
• 1:06:43
  And so when I started, like, leaning into that a little bit more, even when I would dabble it resonated so well with my audience.
• 1:06:50
  Like, it, in terms of views, in terms of engagement, and then e- most importantly, in terms of, like, how I felt doing it.
• 1:06:57
  Like, I was like,"This gives me, like, a high.
• 1:07:00
  I feel great doing it.
• 1:07:01
  I feel light.
• 1:07:02
  I don't feel like there's pressure.
• 1:07:03
  I'm not stressed about it." And so I was like,"Why am I not making that the primary focal point of my content with, like, some fashion and beauty woven in?
• 1:07:13
  It feels like me." Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:15
  You know?
• 1:07:15
  And, like, it's my humor now.
• 1:07:17
  Well, it's also your way to keep- It light- Yeah and fun around here Yes And it- And it also- you know?
• 1:07:24
  I, I thought what you were gonna say,'cause it, that's one point.
• 1:07:26
  But it also keeps, back to my point about my family, them in it without me feeling like I'm exposing anybody.
• 1:07:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:35
  Like, I wasn't loving the vlogging, because I felt like everybody needed to participate, otherwise you were just following me around all day.
• 1:07:42
  And like, I'm like, no, I'm with my kids, you know?
• 1:07:44
  So I, this feels like you can get a glimpse into my world without anybody feeling exposed.
• 1:07:51
  Right.
• 1:07:51
  You know?
• 1:07:51
  And it also is just like, well, now you get my humor, you know?
• 1:07:54
  Right, yeah.
• 1:07:55
  That I think was very hidden before.
• 1:07:57
  And so yes, I think that wa- that was a really good question.
• 1:08:00
  What a nice transition, for you.
• 1:08:02
  Feels very good.
• 1:08:03
  And I feel like it's worked out p- just the way it was supposed to- Yeah for you- It took a long time in your journey of your career.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah.
• 1:08:09
  You know?
• 1:08:09
  I'm loving it.
• 1:08:10
  I really am.
• 1:08:11
  And I guess, uh, a lot of other people are too.
• 1:08:13
  I've had the views are crazy.
• 1:08:14
  You've had several viral videos.
• 1:08:15
  Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  And they're so fun and so lighthearted and very inspiring.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah, it's a good direction.
• 1:08:21
  And I, you know, I'm loving content creating again, and I feel like I couldn't say that a couple years ago, truly.
• 1:08:27
  So.
• 1:08:27
  Well, the best part of viewing this type of content is like sharing it with somebody.
• 1:08:31
  Yes.
• 1:08:31
  And your shares are crazy high.
• 1:08:33
  My shares are- thousands and t- sometimes tens of thousands.
• 1:08:36
  So I'm like, oh, peop- this is happening in other people's houses.
• 1:08:38
  Thank you for validating me.
• 1:08:40
  Aw.
• 1:08:40
  So it's been really fun.
• 1:08:41
  Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  So I'm really happy.
• 1:08:42
  But- Good guys, this was fun.
• 1:08:44
  But we're gonna- All right, well my k- We have to wrap it up.
• 1:08:46
  We're gonna go into our- All my kids are home pink spotlight.
• 1:08:48
  Okay.
• 1:08:48
  Very, very quickly.
• 1:08:50
  So our pink spotlight, if you're new, is our person, place, thing, tip, anything of the week that's making life a little bit better.
• 1:08:56
  What's up, T?
• 1:08:57
  So I'm gonna do a product.
• 1:08:58
  Mine is these jeans that I'm wearing.
• 1:09:00
  Oh.
• 1:09:00
  And Christina, hi, Mom, too.
• 1:09:01
  We have, we're twinsies today.
• 1:09:03
  So we can do a show-and-tell.
• 1:09:03
  They're the Mother Hustlers.
• 1:09:05
  Yep.
• 1:09:05
  They're so good.
• 1:09:06
  Get yourself a pair of Mother's, Mother, uh- Mother Je- jeans are- Mother Denim jeans for Mother's Day.
• 1:09:11
  So good.
• 1:09:11
  I saw this thing on Instagram that was like, every item bought between now and Sunday is your Mother's Day gift.
• 1:09:17
  Perfect.
• 1:09:17
  So.
• 1:09:17
  Invest in a new pair of jeans.
• 1:09:18
  I would agree with that.
• 1:09:19
  Like, jeans are like very- I know underrated.
• 1:09:22
  Like- No spend the money this makes the whole outfit look good.
• 1:09:25
  So these could be your go-to date night jean.
• 1:09:27
  Yep.
• 1:09:28
  Or this could be your like workday jean.
• 1:09:30
  But I'm short.
• 1:09:31
  I'm 5'2" and I have on like a very short heel.
• 1:09:34
  And these jeans, when you stand up, I'll stand up in a second, like just hit the ground.
• 1:09:38
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:39
  And you're taller than I am.
• 1:09:40
  No, no.
• 1:09:40
  And they like- They just graze me look similar.
• 1:09:42
  Yep, they're perfect.
• 1:09:43
  They just graze on you too.
• 1:09:43
  Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  So I feel like they work for ev- a lot of body Yeah a lot of different body types.
• 1:09:48
  I don't know how jeans do that- Well, also- how they work for- These are- different body types I'm also, like, very over the extremely rigid jeans, and these have, like, just enough shape but also stretch so you can sit in them, you're comfortable.
• 1:10:00
  They're- I'm so cozy in them.
• 1:10:01
  I love them.
• 1:10:01
  But here, I'll stand up.
• 1:10:02
  I'll show you.
• 1:10:02
  They're so cute.
• 1:10:03
  Yep.
• 1:10:04
  I love them.
• 1:10:04
  If you can see.
• 1:10:05
  Yep.
• 1:10:06
  So cute.
• 1:10:06
  So- Love them Okay, mine's gonna be quick'cause I have to go.
• 1:10:09
  I have 12 minutes till I have to be home.
• 1:10:11
  You have 12 minutes until your help is leaving.
• 1:10:14
  I have 12 minutes to be out of here.
• 1:10:16
  You guys know how I don't drink that much anymore.
• 1:10:19
  I think I've shared this on the podcast, but I am very, very into little drops that you add- Hmm to any sort of non-alcoholic drink.
• 1:10:27
  And I am telling you, these drops are called Tipsy by Equilibria.
• 1:10:32
  Hmm.
• 1:10:32
  I've worked with Equilibria for years and years, probably six or seven years now, and there's all sorts of, like, CBD, THC products that they make, and they came out with these Tipsy drops.
• 1:10:44
  And you can either get them in a bottle or they have these little snap packets that you can bring with you so you don't have to bring a dropper with you,'cause, like, how awkward is that?
• 1:10:53
  And I'm telling you, one of these, like, in my drink and I put it in, like, a seltzer or something- Hmm and I just feel, like, the slightest buzz.
• 1:11:03
  Zero hangover Zero sleep issues, zero, like, parched mouth.
• 1:11:09
  Like, literally- So what does it do?
• 1:11:11
  It's like a mood enhancer or- It's a CBD THC hybrid.
• 1:11:14
  Oh.
• 1:11:15
  And so you just feel like- Chilled and it's, like, so mild that you just feel the slightest buzzy feeling.
• 1:11:22
  Like how you would after a few sips of wine.
• 1:11:24
  Yes.
• 1:11:24
  But, like, no hangover.
• 1:11:26
  I am obsessed with them.
• 1:11:28
  Like, I bring them out when we have, like, a date night.
• 1:11:30
  I'm gonna bring them with me on my trip because I'm p- not planning to drink.
• 1:11:33
  I wanna come home, like, not feeling like I was run over by a bus.
• 1:11:36
  I didn't say this, but I'm going on a girls' 40s trip because a bunch of me and my girlfriends are turning 40- That's awesome this year and next year, so we're, like, starting the party early.
• 1:11:44
  Well, when we record next week, you're gonna tell us all about it.
• 1:11:45
  I'm gonna tell you all about it.
• 1:11:47
  And so I don't wanna come home feeling like I got run over by a tractor trailer.
• 1:11:50
  Like, that's not the vibe I'm going for.
• 1:11:52
  But I also wanna, like, let loose and have fun, and so these drink drops are phenomenal, and I am obsessed with them.
• 1:11:59
  I have a code because I've worked with Equilibria for forever, so I'll put them in the show notes for you guys.
• 1:12:04
  And we'll be back next week.
• 1:12:08
  T and I will be back?
• 1:12:09
  Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  We'll see you next week.
• 1:12:10
  Yeah, T and I.
• 1:12:10
  It'll be a, it'll be a T and I episode next week too, and we'll recap my trip.
• 1:12:15
  I can't wait for that.
• 1:12:16
  All right.
• 1:12:16
  Have a good week, guys.
• 1:12:18
  Bye.
• 1:12:18
  Bye.