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Twins eke out series vs. A's with trade deadline one week away · Twin Cities Territory

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Speaker 1: Just a reminder before we start. If you average two
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Speaker 1: wins in every three games throughout the course of the
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Speaker 1: season in Major League Baseball, that's a one hundred and
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Speaker 1: eight win team.
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Speaker 2: It's very good.
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Speaker 1: So in that regard a very successful weekend. This weekend
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Speaker 1: for the Minnesota Twins. They take two out of three
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Speaker 1: against the Athletics. Dan and I are going to argue
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Speaker 1: about whether we should be happy about that or not,
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Speaker 1: but they got the job done.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't always pretty.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I think the first line of Dan's story
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Speaker 1: on the Athletic is don't worry about the aesthetics or
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Speaker 1: something like that. But the Twins got the job done.
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan missed to start with arm fatigue. The trade
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Speaker 1: deadline is a week away as of today. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: about all that and more today on Twins Cities Territory
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Speaker 1: or Minnesota Twins Podcast here on the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 1: I am Zach Pearce of the Athletic Joint as always
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Speaker 1: by Dan Hayes, the Athletics, Minnesota Twins beat writer, and
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Speaker 1: Tyler Duffy, longtime Major leaguer and former Minnesota Twin Dane
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Speaker 1: I wasn't thrilled tell me, why I'm crazy.
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Speaker 3: Two out of three is exactly why. Guess what, baby,
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Speaker 3: they gained ground.
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Speaker 2: They ground. That's true.
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Speaker 3: There's why you're happy. They knocked three games off the schedule.
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Speaker 3: They didn't lose two of them. They didn't lose three
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Speaker 3: of them. They lost one of them. It was ugly.
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Speaker 3: Every bit of it was ugly. Scoring two runs in
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Speaker 3: the first eighteen innings against this athletics team, the Sacramento A's,
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Speaker 3: and then having a seven to nothing lead, and then
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Speaker 3: the game was sort of in question on Sunday. Oh man,
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Speaker 3: all of it makes you want to hold your nose
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Speaker 3: and cover up the stink. Doesn't matter. All that matters
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Speaker 3: is you get the victories. You move on. Look, that's
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Speaker 3: where the Twins are right now. They need to win.
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Speaker 3: They need to win. They need to win and convince
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Speaker 3: the front office that they are worthy. And look, I
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Speaker 3: will argue that they have done that by playing well
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Speaker 3: against good tas like they're not playing great against good teams,
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Speaker 3: but they played well enough against good teams. And if
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Speaker 3: you could add a bullpen arm or two to that
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Speaker 3: and give them a shot, if you could take away
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Speaker 3: that bullpen day, even though Kenry Rojas looked out standing
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Speaker 3: on Saturday night. But if you could take away that
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Speaker 3: bullpen day every fifth time and throw another starting pitcher
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Speaker 3: in there, this team looks suddenly a whole lot better
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Speaker 3: and has a better shot in those series against big teams.
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Speaker 3: But that's all it's about right now is wins, wins, wins.
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Speaker 3: Kansas City's coming up. Got to win two of three.
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Speaker 3: Sweeping would be awesome, but you got to win two
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Speaker 3: of three and get back to five hundred and keep
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Speaker 3: showing this front office, and that is really all the matters,
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Speaker 3: regardless how much I mean, look, it felt like there
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Speaker 3: was a malayis a general offensive malaise over this team
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Speaker 3: after being in Cleveland and facing that staff that just
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Speaker 3: knows them so well that they put them in funks.
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Speaker 3: And we saw a couple of those guys break out
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Speaker 3: of those funks, Like anybody look happier than brooks Lee
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Speaker 3: in the eighth inning when he broke his over for
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Speaker 3: sixteen was just a single. Cody Clemens had a monster day.
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Speaker 3: Ryan Kreibler had a monster day. Ryan Jeffers had a
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Speaker 3: monster day. Like so many key parts started getting some
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Speaker 3: hits in Sunday and breaking out of it. They had
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Speaker 3: thirteen hits. It's their most hits since July fifth. Byron
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Speaker 3: Buckson's still slumping right now, and that's noticeable when he goes,
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Speaker 3: they go Josh Bell hasn't had a big hit in
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Speaker 3: a little while. You can see it there too. But
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Speaker 3: it was just breakout of it, get wins, keep moving,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's what they did. And you could
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Speaker 3: say it was ugly. You can say it was ugly,
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Speaker 3: and it was just go for it exactly. That's here,
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Speaker 3: I because I agree with you on all of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was good, bad and ugly at times.
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Speaker 1: And you know, even people who never got higher than
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Speaker 1: junior varsity high school of baseball know that, like, sometimes
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Speaker 1: you play like crap against a bad team. Sometimes you
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Speaker 1: play out of your minds against a great team. And
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Speaker 1: that's kind of just depends where you want to look, right,
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Speaker 1: great efforts across the board from the starting pitchers and
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan and TODJ. Bradley did not pitch in the series,
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Speaker 1: and they won with three encouraging starts, but also the bats,
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Speaker 1: especially Friday, a very very poor effort two hits the
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Speaker 1: whole game against Jacob Lopez, who came into the game
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Speaker 1: with a gaudy e er, but has looked pretty good
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Speaker 1: since returning from a triple a stent. But Tyler, like
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Speaker 1: we talked about it a lot, but a long season,
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Speaker 1: you're going to have games that don't where you don't
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Speaker 1: get the emphatic you know, twelve nothing win that your
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Speaker 1: fans might want to see right.
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Speaker 4: Now, and that's on Sunday. I think I guarantee every
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Speaker 4: guy in that clubhouse, you know, all the guys that
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Speaker 4: had great days had their day. But to make sure
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Speaker 4: and when that series was big, that was a losing
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Speaker 4: that one would have been bad for the morale across
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Speaker 4: the board, you know, from the suites up in the
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Speaker 4: top offices down to the players inside, like that would
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Speaker 4: have been a one to it's hard to recover from,
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Speaker 4: you know. But like we said, Cleveland kind of pitched
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Speaker 4: him into a little mini slump there, you know. I
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Speaker 4: think Byron, just to me, it almost looks like a
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Speaker 4: little rest of you know, him coming straight off the
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Speaker 4: deal into games, which is hard to do. You know,
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Speaker 4: It's it's not talked about a lot when guys do
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Speaker 4: that in the big leagues. They take those two weeks
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Speaker 4: off and they get their work in and things like that.
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Speaker 4: But just jumping straight back into games sometimes isn't the
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Speaker 4: easiest thing to do. And you know, the guys, guys
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Speaker 4: are getting right, probably needed this off day again. You know,
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Speaker 4: it's it's one of those as a team sometimes you
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Speaker 4: need a little reset sometimes. And you know they they
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Speaker 4: needed to win yesterday. It was a good way to
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Speaker 4: go into an off day, have a night off, you know,
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Speaker 4: enjoy the day to day. You know, I know it
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Speaker 4: was hotter than hell, but you know, get outside, go
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Speaker 4: do some other than baseball, maybe think about something else.
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Speaker 4: It's always good for the group. And and it's like
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Speaker 4: you mentioned, playing playing up and down to the teams
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Speaker 4: you're playing is where you get into trouble. And and
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Speaker 4: I think Friday probably woke them up a little bit,
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Speaker 4: you know, getting no hit for however many innings or
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Speaker 4: you know, or the total was it three total for
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Speaker 4: the game. You know, it's it's it's something that will
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Speaker 4: open your eyes up as a player. And you know,
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Speaker 4: I think Sunday showed those guys were ready to get
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Speaker 4: after somebody, and you know, they took advantage and hits
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Speaker 4: the balls hard, made some good defensive plays, and you know,
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Speaker 4: it's a it's when they needed that going into this
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Speaker 4: royal series. You know, it's it's one of those teams.
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Speaker 4: They know you too, so just like Cleveland, you know,
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Speaker 4: they they see each other so often, they've seen each
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Speaker 4: other so many times. They better show up ready to play,
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Speaker 4: because Kansas City is looking to play. Spoiler, I guess
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Speaker 4: at this point, you know they there's young.
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Speaker 2: Guys Ran.
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Speaker 4: And the Dobber, the Dobber. I they were talking about
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Speaker 4: that on Area yesterday. That'll be pretty cool for him.
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Speaker 4: You know, I played with Randy for a lot of
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Speaker 4: a lot of games and such a great dude. I'm
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Speaker 4: glad he's back, and you know, hopefully he loses one. Nothing.
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Speaker 4: That's what I say about guys like that. You know,
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Speaker 4: I hope he gives up one and they lose, they
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Speaker 4: both throw shut outs. You know, it'll it'll be fine.
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Speaker 4: So you know, but this series, like we keep talking about,
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Speaker 4: they got it, they got get after it. Game one tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: They gotta come out and make a statement because if
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Speaker 4: they don't, it sends messages all the way up to
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Speaker 4: that top office.
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Speaker 1: Or even better, maybe seven shutout innings for Domnick and
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Speaker 1: then they take him out in the Twins score like
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Speaker 1: seven in the eighth and yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: He can have a zero.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't Yeah, he doesn't need it. We don't need
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Speaker 1: him to.
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Speaker 3: Take when we preview. We'll preview that series a little
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Speaker 3: bit later. And I'm gonna I'm gonna get def to
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Speaker 3: share the one of the greatest Randy Dobnack stories, just
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Speaker 3: because that guy had so many. But with this series,
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Speaker 3: look the soft tossing lefty Jacob Lopez that just that's
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Speaker 3: been there, the like this is a great, very good offense.
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Speaker 3: They've maybe like ops plus fives. They're not a great offense,
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Speaker 3: but they're the top run scoring offense for a reason.
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Speaker 3: And they just can't hit lefty pitchers like that. They
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Speaker 3: just have so much trouble with it, and it's been
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Speaker 3: a constant source. It basically took away a very good
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Speaker 3: start by Zebbi Matthews, who gave up two runs. I
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Speaker 3: can't he was hit. Listen to the fifth inning, I
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Speaker 3: believe or the fourth an he looked really good. And
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Speaker 3: that's a good offense on that side. That that just
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Speaker 3: has kind of I mean, even even as rough of
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Speaker 3: a month as they were having their averaging four runs
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Speaker 3: a game coming into this series, so and they've just
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Speaker 3: got Nick Kurtz back like that's he's just we saw
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Speaker 3: it right. He hit that monster home run off Cole
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Speaker 3: Sand's that's a good offense and Debbie that was a
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Speaker 3: good start for him. But man, that was a very
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Speaker 3: disappointing game on Friday. I mean, just to come in
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Speaker 3: with those kind of like after a huge win like
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Speaker 3: that in Cleveland, after two huge wins like that in
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Speaker 3: Cleveland and gets shut out for the third time all
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Speaker 3: year certainly puts a damper on any kind of good
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Speaker 3: feelings you have, and then to eke out some wins
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Speaker 3: after that is Look, I'm not saying you're not justified
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Speaker 3: in tempering your enthusiasm for its deck like it really
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Speaker 3: like there. It was painful at times, but there were
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Speaker 3: just so many goods signs that we saw throughout that
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Speaker 3: I think you look at those over it again. Alan
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Speaker 3: Roaden with the big hit. All he does is get
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Speaker 3: big hits because his overall number one that press four
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Speaker 3: or five just yeah and backtbreakers he's yeah, and Rojas
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Speaker 3: looked amazing, And it's so funny. I'm getting called in
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Speaker 3: the Varlin Trade apologist online because I can see that
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Speaker 3: twenty three year old Kendrey Rojas, who, by the way,
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Speaker 3: because the Twins didn't use him this whole year, is
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Speaker 3: going to have six full seasons of team control after this.
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Speaker 3: Like this is just his his kind of getting his
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Speaker 3: feet wet. Who knows, maybe the CBA changes free agency,
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Speaker 3: but Kendrey Rojas is just such a like for being
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Speaker 3: a work in progress. I like what I see so far.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the strikeouts are through the roof goose. I
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Speaker 3: think it's twenty nine and twenty five and two thirds.
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Speaker 3: The walks are unsightly, but one home run allowed in
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Speaker 3: twenty five and two thirds and just does not Nobody
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Speaker 3: looks comfortable against that guy when they step in. Connor
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Speaker 3: Prelift looked really good, Like there were so many good
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Speaker 3: things that happened in this series. Like you said, the
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Speaker 3: starting pitching was very good for the Twins. Throat series,
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Speaker 3: what they allow to starting pitching allowed three earned runs
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Speaker 3: in about let's see sixteen innings I think combined. And
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Speaker 3: that's and the two of you guys were on pitch counts.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, you're you're feeling pretty good about where
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Speaker 3: you are off that series in a number of ways.
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Speaker 3: Cole Sand's that was That was a rough debut, you know,
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Speaker 3: five runs and one third of an inning. But you know,
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Speaker 3: aside from that, there's a lot of good things that happened.
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Speaker 1: Dan mentioned some of the good stuff from the weekend,
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Speaker 1: which I will begrudgingly accept and allowed this conversation to
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Speaker 1: move forward towards. But that started with Saturday. It was
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Speaker 1: an interesting situation at the beginning. Derek Shelton had to
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Speaker 1: come out and tell AI's manager Mark Coott say that
13:16
Speaker 1: there was a last minute pitching change. It was supposed
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Speaker 1: to be Mike Parades, but he went to the il
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Speaker 1: with I forget oblique. Kendriy Rojas made the spots start
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Speaker 1: instead and looked again very promising Dan.
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Speaker 3: He does like, I just really like what you see there,
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Speaker 3: because looks he if he can throw strikes if he
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Speaker 3: can just be on the plate, nobody's hitting his stuff.
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Speaker 3: One home run in twenty five and two thirds he
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Speaker 3: just is on base or his average against upon it's
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Speaker 3: average against is not very high, like his hits are
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Speaker 3: under twenty five. He just has really great stuff. It
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Speaker 3: really the key is being on the plate, and I
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Speaker 3: think the more he gets used to that, the easier
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Speaker 3: it becomes. It's really weird. It's so funny because he
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Speaker 3: and Connor Prilip debut in the same game in April,
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Speaker 3: and Connor prelib seems unfazed by everything, right, and I
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Speaker 3: don't think that Rojas is phased by stuff, but I
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Speaker 3: think it's still just he's definitely adapting to new situations.
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Speaker 3: I thought that was outstanding for him to be called
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Speaker 3: upon last minute because it was my greatest He was
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Speaker 3: warming up on TV. You know, that's when when they're
14:28
Speaker 3: showing the starting picture warming up on TV, and to
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Speaker 3: get the last minute call where you are thrown into
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Speaker 3: it and you got to start. We saw Samean Woods
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Speaker 3: Richardson struggle in those same exact situation earlier this year
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Speaker 3: when Rojas got hurt in May. Rojas handled this so well,
14:47
Speaker 3: and the one thing that sticks out. And I know
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Speaker 3: I've mentioned it before, but asking Johann Santana about him
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Speaker 3: in spring training and talking to him because they'd had
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Speaker 3: some in depth conversations, and he said, this guy has
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Speaker 3: this stuff, but he's trying to become a pitcher already
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Speaker 3: and he's not just trying to be a thrower, and
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Speaker 3: you can tell he's trying to learn. And I think
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Speaker 3: that's very advanced for a twenty three year old guy
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Speaker 3: who very much looks the part in the clubhouse, looks
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Speaker 3: like he belongs. He just looks like a wide eyed kid,
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Speaker 3: but I mean like he's got some maturity to him,
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Speaker 3: and I think that helps him in these situations. If
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Speaker 3: he can be on the plate, that's a real force
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Speaker 3: for them. I mean, like just stuff wise, you can
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Speaker 3: kind of yeah, that's I saw.
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Speaker 4: It got me fired up about him. But there's a
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Speaker 4: X account that you know, does pitch pitch profilery is
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Speaker 4: But he's thrown out Turk Scooble junior comps. So anytime
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Speaker 4: that's something you're hearing from a guy, especially thrown from
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Speaker 4: that side of the plate, that's somebody you want to
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Speaker 4: take care of and manage correctly and keep bigly ready,
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Speaker 4: and he seems to be settling in, you know, to
15:52
Speaker 4: your point, Danny, he it's you know, guys come up,
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Speaker 4: and especially guys with velo and moving parts like sometimes
15:58
Speaker 4: it's you just got to yourself in to figure out
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Speaker 4: where that big league strike zone is. You know, big
16:03
Speaker 4: league hitters don't swing the same as guys in the
16:05
Speaker 4: miners things like that. You know, like you mentioned pre Lip,
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Speaker 4: you know, there's some pretty impressive arms that are kind
16:13
Speaker 4: of settling in for rotation spots for the Twins right
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Speaker 4: now that you know, looking forward even next year down
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Speaker 4: the road. For you know, you're in a short playoff
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Speaker 4: series and you can roll out two lefties touching ninety nine,
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Speaker 4: like that's that's some pretty good stuff to have on
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Speaker 4: top of Joe Ryan and TODs Bradley and the mix
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Speaker 4: of whoever else comes in. Like you, you're starting to
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Speaker 4: settle into a spot where you've got some really dominant
16:37
Speaker 4: choices coming out of the bullpen or shorter starts, whatever
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Speaker 4: you may need them to do. It's it's been fun
16:44
Speaker 4: to watch both of those guys, but Rojas to settle in,
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Speaker 4: and you know he's a little erradic at times, but
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Speaker 4: the stuff is it's unhittable at times. So that's you know,
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Speaker 4: when you've got a few toys like that to have
16:57
Speaker 4: to plug into a lineup, it makes it the pretty
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Speaker 4: pretty fun to watch, and I'm sure Shelty is starting
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Speaker 4: to really enjoy writing their names on some lineup cards.
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Speaker 3: Opponents are hitting one ninety five against him and slugging
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Speaker 3: two seventy six on base is three forty six because
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Speaker 3: the white the walks are unsightly. But when he throws
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Speaker 3: it in that zone, nobody's touching it there. It's like
17:20
Speaker 3: trying to hit with a boat or up there like
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Speaker 3: you got like you're not a full bat and it's
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Speaker 3: like the nineth hitter in the lineup.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be easier though wider.
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Speaker 4: If it turns sideway?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I don't call it an axe handle, No,
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Speaker 5: I've seen I've seen Francisco Lariano's name evoked with him
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Speaker 5: a few times, which will certainly get Twins fans.
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Speaker 2: We're out up so so yeah.
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Speaker 3: But look, the thing that these guys have to overcome
17:52
Speaker 3: that he's not Louis Varlin and they're all mad about that.
17:56
Speaker 3: And the funny part is not one of us like right,
17:58
Speaker 3: he's not one of us. So Twins have had plenty
18:01
Speaker 3: of one of us over the years. Okay, it's great.
18:04
Speaker 3: I love it when they come when guys, there.
18:06
Speaker 4: Are a lot of us in those all the minor
18:09
Speaker 4: league there are.
18:11
Speaker 3: And Louis Varlin, like it took a while for him
18:15
Speaker 3: to finally get to a good spot with the Twins.
18:18
Speaker 3: He had a ton of ups and downs early on,
18:21
Speaker 3: and he's taken another step with the Jase And it's
18:23
Speaker 3: awesome to see because Louie is a great dude. Like
18:26
Speaker 3: you want dudes to have success. He wasn't finding that
18:29
Speaker 3: success with the Twins. I mean, they gave him so
18:31
Speaker 3: many chances as a starter and it just didn't work out.
18:33
Speaker 3: He can't like he'd throw ninety five over the middle
18:36
Speaker 3: and give up a home run, and you give up
18:37
Speaker 3: a couple of home runs a game, and like his
18:39
Speaker 3: home run totals decreased significantly. He's the Jays worked on
18:43
Speaker 3: his pitch mix and cut down and like as a reliever,
18:46
Speaker 3: he's just kick ass now And you could see the
18:48
Speaker 3: parts there, but it wasn't happening with the Twins. He's
18:52
Speaker 3: twenty eight, Rojas is twenty three, and so Rojas is gonna,
18:56
Speaker 3: unfortunately have to live up to these just un real
19:00
Speaker 3: expectations because Varland's got this one oader la year and
19:03
Speaker 3: it's it's amazing. He's having an amazing season. But it
19:06
Speaker 3: took Varlan. Varland has been in the league since twenty
19:09
Speaker 3: twenty two, so this isn't like this happened overnight for
19:12
Speaker 3: Louis Varland, and it took go into a new team
19:15
Speaker 3: for it to happen to Farland. You know, Rojas like
19:19
Speaker 3: where he's starting right now is extremely promising. And it's
19:23
Speaker 3: unfortunate for Kendrick Rojas that he was included in that
19:26
Speaker 3: trade because if he'd come over in any other trade,
19:28
Speaker 3: fans would be super hyped, but they're so pissed about Varlin.
19:31
Speaker 3: And by the way, the Jays with Louis Arland are
19:34
Speaker 3: forty eight and fifty seven. They're in last place. The
19:37
Speaker 3: Twins won the season series against Louis Arland's team, they're
19:41
Speaker 3: in better spot. Like I get that having Louis Varland
19:44
Speaker 3: would probably help the Twins out at least two to
19:46
Speaker 3: three games, but also the Twins have figured out the
19:50
Speaker 3: ninth and the eighth innings between Andrew Morris and Yandros Gomez.
19:53
Speaker 3: So it's not like the Twins are in this spot
19:54
Speaker 3: where they don't have a guy closing out games. They
19:57
Speaker 3: have They've figured out those last two spots need two
20:00
Speaker 3: more relievers, there's no question. And having Varlin there all
20:04
Speaker 3: year would have made a huge difference. But I mean,
20:07
Speaker 3: there are you can have both teams come out of
20:10
Speaker 3: a trade doing well, like it is okay to have
20:13
Speaker 3: a trade that benefits both sides, and this looks like
20:16
Speaker 3: it has the potential to do that. You know, Rojas,
20:19
Speaker 3: there's so much we don't know about where he's gonna
20:21
Speaker 3: be over the next six years.
20:24
Speaker 1: Well, and the other piece of that trade was Alan Roden,
20:26
Speaker 1: who delivered the game winning hit in that same exact game.
20:29
Speaker 1: Is what third or fourth huge hit for this team
20:33
Speaker 1: since getting called up. Andrew Morris also nearly threw the
20:38
Speaker 1: game away literally in the eighth inning when he turned
20:40
Speaker 1: to second base to try to force a runner and
20:42
Speaker 1: through it in the center field, but then got out
20:44
Speaker 1: of a second second.
20:46
Speaker 4: Nobody too much, Yeah.
20:48
Speaker 3: But tried to play and through to third and let
20:52
Speaker 3: the time run get the second. Yeah.
20:57
Speaker 1: I was getting around a praising Andrew Morris for you know,
21:00
Speaker 1: I know you are standing in there and getting out
21:01
Speaker 1: of that because like, we gotta be.
21:04
Speaker 3: Fair on this show. That's what I'm just saying.
21:06
Speaker 1: We know, but you know, you talk about moments that
21:10
Speaker 1: could turn a season, like if the Twins blow that
21:12
Speaker 1: game on a play like that, yeah, and and lose
21:16
Speaker 1: the series? Yeah right, exactly. Also worse shouting out from Saturday.
21:24
Speaker 1: Ryan Kreidler thrilled the crowd on Ryan Day, not the
21:28
Speaker 1: Ohio State coach. It was a day for Ryan's people
21:30
Speaker 1: named Ryan. I did not know this was the thing.
21:33
Speaker 1: I admit I didn't either, But the Twins theoretically could
21:37
Speaker 1: have trotted out a three Ryan lineup with Joe Jeffers
21:40
Speaker 1: and Kridler. But obviously it wasn't Ryan's turn to pitch,
21:43
Speaker 1: and he had arm fatigue, and Jeffers did what did
21:45
Speaker 1: he just get a rest day on Saturday because he.
21:48
Speaker 3: Was back ud like?
21:53
Speaker 4: And then the day game and then yeah, but uh,
21:56
Speaker 4: Kreyler with with a double, a nice defensive play, stolen base,
22:00
Speaker 4: and every time he did anything the crowd was very happy.
22:04
Speaker 3: So I think there were nine hundred and seventy Ryan's
22:08
Speaker 3: nine hundred seventy dudes, dam Ryan.
22:10
Speaker 1: So I mean, really they track that we have to
22:12
Speaker 1: like declare at the gate when you get there.
22:14
Speaker 3: I guess like the group lets them. Interesting.
22:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's I believe.
22:23
Speaker 3: I believe it is very strict, Like the club is
22:26
Speaker 3: very strict. I think I don't know.
22:28
Speaker 2: That they probably true.
22:30
Speaker 3: No, No, it's like they know Brian curious. Yeah, some
22:37
Speaker 3: guy just holds his idea up and covers.
22:39
Speaker 2: The b This is the Homers crowd. We're allowed to
22:42
Speaker 2: have one.
22:44
Speaker 3: But like, uh, it's like I only learned about it
22:48
Speaker 3: from social media. Apparently they were the Rockies game last
22:50
Speaker 3: year and I loved it. So Ryan Kreidler gets on
22:53
Speaker 3: with that, that ground rule double steals third and the
22:56
Speaker 3: chance just going on, bring Ryan home, Bring Ryan home.
22:59
Speaker 3: It was it was pretty cool. But you're right, Ryan
23:02
Speaker 3: Jeffers missed opportunity there for the twins. But you know
23:06
Speaker 3: the hamate bone workload management. You gotta you gotta be
23:11
Speaker 3: adhere to it strictly. And but yeah, Ryan Krayler, great weekend.
23:16
Speaker 3: I mean, had the stone base on on Saturday, had
23:20
Speaker 3: the double on Saturday, had the great defensive play late
23:23
Speaker 3: in the game on Saturday, but then two doubles in
23:26
Speaker 3: a triple on Sunday, two more stone bases. One of
23:29
Speaker 3: those stone bases where the catcher overthrows man. Jonaheim talked
23:34
Speaker 3: about a rough you mentioned earlier. He did Shay Langliers
23:40
Speaker 3: getting hurt and tearing his meniscus and it looks like
23:44
Speaker 3: he's out for the season. Him steps in and Danny
23:47
Speaker 3: Gladden on the radio yesterday is talking about how Heim
23:49
Speaker 3: has just not thrown a runner out all season repeatedly,
23:53
Speaker 3: and the Twins ran like they knew he hadn't thrown.
23:56
Speaker 3: Kreyler still third base three times in that series, I believe,
24:00
Speaker 3: or maybe there was a second base in there, but
24:03
Speaker 3: but yeah, he stole third base on Saturday. He stole
24:05
Speaker 3: it yesterday. Like that was a very good series for
24:09
Speaker 3: those Ryan fans that were out there because it's, uh,
24:15
Speaker 3: you know, Ryan Kradler has been really good since he
24:17
Speaker 3: stepped in at short stop. They just, I mean, does
24:19
Speaker 3: it not seem defensively like they're so much more in
24:23
Speaker 3: lockstep when they have him up the middle making plays.
24:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good that's he's been great.
24:29
Speaker 4: We've always said, like I've said it forever, you know,
24:32
Speaker 4: we said it all coming up or even in the
24:33
Speaker 4: big leagues like, I don't care what my shortstop hits,
24:37
Speaker 4: what my center fielder hits. If they are good at defense,
24:40
Speaker 4: put them in the lineup every day because those guys
24:43
Speaker 4: are so important. They cover so much ground, and they
24:46
Speaker 4: they handle the baseball so many times, and it matters
24:49
Speaker 4: every time they touched the ball, you know, and them
24:51
Speaker 4: and then the catchers. Ultimately, like those three, you can
24:55
Speaker 4: hit a buck buck twenty and stay there.
24:58
Speaker 6: You know.
24:58
Speaker 4: Martin Maldonado is one of those. Or it's just like
25:01
Speaker 4: the Astros were willing to just let him not hit
25:04
Speaker 4: to catch games, you know, And that's that just shows
25:07
Speaker 4: you how valuable the defense is.
25:09
Speaker 3: Yadi Molina made a career of not hitting.
25:14
Speaker 2: Of course, the Patris.
25:19
Speaker 3: I know he puts the numbers on.
25:21
Speaker 1: We will take a quick break. We'll come back talk
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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan and the trade deadline and tee up the
25:26
Speaker 1: next series against the Kansas City Royals right after this.
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27:04
Speaker 1: Joe Ryan missed Sunday's start with arm fatigue. I feel you,
27:09
Speaker 1: Joe on that one. I have no excuse for it,
27:11
Speaker 1: but other than not being athletic or training for anything
27:15
Speaker 1: at all, anyway, it's interesting timing. Obviously, the trade deadline
27:19
Speaker 1: one week away from today. Certainly one bad start like
27:25
Speaker 1: he had last time out and arm fatigue may not
27:28
Speaker 1: be a huge red alert for some teams, But if
27:32
Speaker 1: you're trading for Joe Ryan, it's because you want him
27:34
Speaker 1: to help you right now, and so I'm sure any
27:37
Speaker 1: team thinking about it is going hmmm at the moment.
27:40
Speaker 1: Meaning his start this week against Kansas City could loom
27:42
Speaker 1: very large in that he's not the only twin who
27:45
Speaker 1: will be in talks over the next week, but we'll
27:47
Speaker 1: start with him. Obviously missed the game with arm fatigue, Dan,
27:50
Speaker 1: but coming back on Wednesday, and where do things stand
27:54
Speaker 1: with Joe Ryan right now?
27:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, full disclaimer, I was not in Minnesota over the weekend.
27:59
Speaker 3: Took this series off. Be back on Tuesday, but talking
28:02
Speaker 3: to the other reporters and Bobby Nightingale tweeted it out
28:06
Speaker 3: or Ski did it out on Blue Sky. Joe Ryan
28:09
Speaker 3: has zero concern about going on the aisle. That's what
28:12
Speaker 3: he said to Bobby into one of the other reporters.
28:16
Speaker 3: He threw a bullpen on Saturday. He said it was
28:18
Speaker 3: a step in the right direction gett him back on track.
28:21
Speaker 3: And look, it's interesting because that bullpen I think originally
28:25
Speaker 3: was supposed to happen on Friday, with him maybe going Sunday,
28:29
Speaker 3: and he was not able to throw the bullpen in
28:32
Speaker 3: between the All Star appearance and his start in Cleveland.
28:37
Speaker 3: So the idea that he had not been able to
28:40
Speaker 3: do his sidework is certainly speaks to the idea that
28:43
Speaker 3: the twins are like very concerned enough to at least
28:48
Speaker 3: slow him down and give him a little extra time,
28:50
Speaker 3: and that's why we're seeing them do this. But Ryan
28:53
Speaker 3: felt like it went well and was like making progress
28:57
Speaker 3: in the bullpen. I mean, the stuff that he gets
29:00
Speaker 3: done in his mid starts. You can tell how important
29:03
Speaker 3: it is to him. It's not just to get out
29:04
Speaker 3: there and make sure the arm feels good. He works
29:07
Speaker 3: on a lot of stuff and gets his next game
29:09
Speaker 3: plan ready. And this is a guy that hits so
29:11
Speaker 3: many quadrants with pitches. He needs to feel like he's
29:13
Speaker 3: going good. And so I guess Derek Shelton said that
29:17
Speaker 3: they got together Pete McKie, Nick Poparista, their their athletic trainer,
29:22
Speaker 3: Joe and decided an extra day would be good, and
29:24
Speaker 3: that meant he didn't start Sunday, and so he'll go
29:28
Speaker 3: from Monday last week when some of his velocites dipped
29:31
Speaker 3: those last two outings or the last two innings, going
29:35
Speaker 3: all the way till next till Wednesday. So that's a big, long,
29:39
Speaker 3: healthy break for him. But you know the fact that
29:43
Speaker 3: Joe said zero concern. I just talking to the guys.
29:46
Speaker 3: It didn't sound like this is worrisome. Guys go through
29:51
Speaker 3: this Connor prelip. We've seen him get days extra days
29:54
Speaker 3: to avoid this kind of stuff. Guys get arm fatigue
29:58
Speaker 3: all the time. So it doesn't shock me. But it's
30:02
Speaker 3: certainly not great time. And if you were looking to
30:04
Speaker 3: trade Joe Ryan. I particularly don't think the Twins are
30:07
Speaker 3: looking to trade Joe Ryan, but having an arm concern
30:11
Speaker 3: pop up, you know, it's like everything's riding on Wednesday
30:14
Speaker 3: if they were trying to trade him.
30:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it with six games to go until the deadline,
30:19
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that the narrative on the
30:22
Speaker 1: team is going to swing very much at this point.
30:24
Speaker 1: Barring a zero to six just disastrous week here could happen.
30:29
Speaker 1: But I think we've all felt like trading Joe Ryan
30:33
Speaker 1: feels like a very nuclear option for a team that
30:35
Speaker 1: suddenly looks competitive tilely, right.
30:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's pushing the big red button when you
30:41
Speaker 4: do that one for everyone involved. But you know, I
30:45
Speaker 4: talked about this earlier in the year. I can't remember
30:48
Speaker 4: who it was, but in the world of baseball now,
30:51
Speaker 4: you know, in Joe's defense, you know, it's a very
30:56
Speaker 4: recovery driven you know, daily like very guys are very
31:00
Speaker 4: cerebral about how their body feels and very in tune
31:03
Speaker 4: with their their routines and how they feel between the outings,
31:07
Speaker 4: even you know, the day after start, before start, you know,
31:11
Speaker 4: and who knows that, you know, he pitch in the
31:12
Speaker 4: All Star Game which you know that's probably probably had
31:15
Speaker 4: some extra adrenaline going, you know, let it rip. You know,
31:18
Speaker 4: he had a great, great day that day, but the
31:21
Speaker 4: carryover effect and then not being able to get a
31:24
Speaker 4: normal routine of your bullpen and your you know, whatever
31:27
Speaker 4: your recovery is after that to get ready for that
31:29
Speaker 4: next start, and it kind of you know, set him
31:31
Speaker 4: off kilter a little bit. And uh, you know, I
31:34
Speaker 4: think this will hopefully get him back on the tracks
31:37
Speaker 4: and you know, back to what he was doing on
31:39
Speaker 4: when he was on a roll, because it is it's
31:41
Speaker 4: it's just guys are so hyper aware and it could
31:44
Speaker 4: have been as something as simple as it just wasn't
31:46
Speaker 4: coming out right, and instead of forcing it maybe having
31:50
Speaker 4: a bad game, say he goes out and you know,
31:52
Speaker 4: gives up six runs in a start again, and you know,
31:56
Speaker 4: the Oakland's teeing off on him. Then we're sitting here like,
31:58
Speaker 4: what's you know, the sky's falling.
32:00
Speaker 3: You know.
32:00
Speaker 4: So instead they probably did the right thing. Give him
32:03
Speaker 4: a couple extra days, you know, make sure he is
32:05
Speaker 4: one thousand percent ready to go and hopefully comes out
32:09
Speaker 4: guns blazing, because that's you know, the if the boost
32:12
Speaker 4: is there, it's him you know, come in, shut somebody down,
32:15
Speaker 4: you know against Kansas City, you know, make a statement
32:18
Speaker 4: outing and put some more momentum behind this team. Because
32:21
Speaker 4: the more momentum they build, the front office has to
32:23
Speaker 4: respond to that. And you know, like we keep talking about,
32:26
Speaker 4: there's what move will be made. We don't know yet,
32:29
Speaker 4: but it's really easy to add when all your guys
32:32
Speaker 4: who are supposed to be your guys are doing what
32:34
Speaker 4: you're expecting of them. But when guys start getting shaky
32:37
Speaker 4: and you can't really predict or feel like you can
32:39
Speaker 4: predict what's going to happen, it's it's hard to throw
32:42
Speaker 4: money around or get rid of a prospect or anything
32:44
Speaker 4: like that. So it's this like we keep saying these
32:47
Speaker 4: next few or big games for very you know, many reasons.
32:52
Speaker 1: On one of our sister shows on the Foul Territory
32:55
Speaker 1: Network GM Territory, Jim Bowden, former MLBGM who also Right
33:01
Speaker 1: to the Athletic also podcasts for Foul Territory, said that
33:04
Speaker 1: he's being told that neither Joe Ryan nor Byron Buxton
33:08
Speaker 1: will be traded at the deadline. I think we had
33:10
Speaker 1: the Buxton talk had kind of cooled just because of
33:12
Speaker 1: his pretty strong comments as it was, but Dan, it
33:17
Speaker 1: certainly would make sense for that scenario to come to pass,
33:20
Speaker 1: and now we're starting to see reports of that.
33:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, with Buckston, I mean, we threw the turnoff meter
33:25
Speaker 3: in the garbage like a month ago, right. However, however,
33:30
Speaker 3: might have to sift that thing out if they trade
33:32
Speaker 3: Joe Ryan, Like, look, I agree, I've not gotten insight
33:37
Speaker 3: like that for sure. The Twins are doing a good
33:39
Speaker 3: job of like being right down the middle because they
33:41
Speaker 3: know it's really gonna go down to this. They got
33:43
Speaker 3: to play well against Kansas City. They got to win
33:45
Speaker 3: two or three against Kansas City. I mean, it seems
33:47
Speaker 3: weird to think got to win two of three and
33:50
Speaker 3: that determines which way they'll go. But they just need
33:53
Speaker 3: to keep seeing more evidence of wins and they're going
33:55
Speaker 3: to keep their options open. However, really, if you trade Joe,
34:00
Speaker 3: you're going to have to have some conversations with Byron
34:03
Speaker 3: Buckston that you don't want to have. And I don't
34:04
Speaker 3: think that's coming from the Twins asking Byron Buckson if
34:07
Speaker 3: he wants to be traded. I think that the plan
34:10
Speaker 3: looks like it starts to change, and Byron Buckston worries
34:13
Speaker 3: about pitching if they trade Joe Ryan. Like, it's a
34:17
Speaker 3: natural question, what are we doing here? If we're in
34:19
Speaker 3: the race, if we're right there and we trade Joe Ryan,
34:22
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? And that's what I think
34:24
Speaker 3: would be prominent on your three time All Star center
34:28
Speaker 3: fielder's mind. So I think that that's a conversation you're
34:32
Speaker 3: not going to have. I don't think that they have
34:34
Speaker 3: any interest in moving on from Byron buckson. If you
34:37
Speaker 3: trade Joe Ryan in the off season, you can say
34:40
Speaker 3: to Byron Bucks, then look, we have Pablo Lopez come back,
34:42
Speaker 3: but also we added this guy in free agency. You
34:45
Speaker 3: can find a w You're not going to replace Joe
34:48
Speaker 3: Ryan or even come close to replacing Joe Ryan at
34:51
Speaker 3: the trade deadline if you trade him, unless somehow you
34:54
Speaker 3: were able to swap him as like for Trek Scuobel, right, Like,
34:57
Speaker 3: if you go out, there's really very few pitchers, and
35:00
Speaker 3: obviously Schooble is better than Joe Ryan. I'm not trying
35:02
Speaker 3: to say that that's the same thing, but value wise,
35:06
Speaker 3: would Joe Ryan having the extra year that that's you know,
35:09
Speaker 3: that wouldn't be an absurd thing to see those two
35:12
Speaker 3: be in the same kind of trade because Detroit gets
35:15
Speaker 3: the guy for another year. But the Twins aren't gonna
35:17
Speaker 3: do that. The Tigers an't gonna do that. Never mind
35:19
Speaker 3: that anyways, The point is if you trade Joe Ryan,
35:22
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to have tough conversations that I don't
35:24
Speaker 3: think you'll want to have. And given that, they haven't
35:27
Speaker 3: said he's untradeable totally. But this is a team that
35:31
Speaker 3: loves Byron bucks and I think they want Byron Buckston
35:34
Speaker 3: to retire in a Twins uniform. And that makes me
35:36
Speaker 3: think Joe Ryan the chances of him being traded are
35:40
Speaker 3: basically zero at this point.
35:43
Speaker 1: Trek Scoogel better than Joe Ryan, says Dan Hayes. Just
35:46
Speaker 1: somebody somebody aggregate that print that on put it on
35:49
Speaker 1: Joe's locker. His loyalty has been refreshing and amazing to see.
35:57
Speaker 1: But at some point, yeah, unless you love you know,
36:01
Speaker 1: Lake Minitanta more than you love winning, like you're you're
36:04
Speaker 1: not going to stay loyal forever, so and like don't and.
36:08
Speaker 3: Also don't put him in that position, Like just don't
36:10
Speaker 3: put him in that position like he is he is
36:13
Speaker 3: giving you this.
36:15
Speaker 4: All next season right, not when they're in the in
36:18
Speaker 4: the hunt, you know, and it might be like it
36:21
Speaker 4: might make a lot more sense and be more reasonable
36:23
Speaker 4: than if Pablo is back, if Todge continues to be strung,
36:25
Speaker 4: if they have, if they have the pieces were leaving
36:27
Speaker 4: him right right, you've got it's.
36:31
Speaker 3: A lot easier to sell, like to put up a
36:34
Speaker 3: white flag, because that's what you're doing if you trade
36:36
Speaker 3: Joe Ryan, Like, even if you're right on the cusp,
36:39
Speaker 3: Look look at what this how flawed this team is
36:42
Speaker 3: and they're fifty three and fifty four. Still they are
36:44
Speaker 3: a game out of the final wild card spot. They
36:48
Speaker 3: just beat Cleveland, too, are they They split with Cleveland
36:51
Speaker 3: like they didn't. They didn't wilt in Cleveland they could
36:54
Speaker 3: have and they're right there again Cleveland got swept in Tampa.
36:59
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to think, like you can't raise
37:02
Speaker 3: the white flag at this point, Joe or Tom Pollad
37:05
Speaker 3: would be going against everything he wanted to do and
37:08
Speaker 3: accomplish with players, trust, with trying to win back fans
37:13
Speaker 3: if they were to sell at this point, Trading Joe
37:15
Speaker 3: Ryan is selling even like it's just I just don't
37:19
Speaker 3: know how you've solved that without screwing up team chemistry
37:23
Speaker 3: and what he means because right now, when he steps
37:25
Speaker 3: on the mound, it's the day they're going to win.
37:27
Speaker 3: And they have belief in him. He's been their guy
37:31
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty one. They love playing behind him. He's entertaining,
37:36
Speaker 3: he's got character like this that's just not the trader making.
37:42
Speaker 2: Well.
37:42
Speaker 1: This is going to be our longest episode ever, I think,
37:44
Speaker 1: but that's okay. It's good stuff. There's two other names
37:47
Speaker 1: on the chiron at the bottom of the screen that
37:49
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on. First is Ryan Jeffers, who
37:52
Speaker 1: still probably remains the most likely player on the way out,
37:55
Speaker 1: and that may have only gotten more likely this weekend. Ironically,
37:58
Speaker 1: at Target Field with shape Langlears the A's All star
38:02
Speaker 1: catcher getting hurt. Depending on what you read, it seemed
38:05
Speaker 1: like the A's were not particularly keen on trading him
38:08
Speaker 1: because he has a lot of team controlled and they
38:10
Speaker 1: want to have some good players when they open their
38:12
Speaker 1: Las Vegas stadium in a few years. But nevertheless, the
38:15
Speaker 1: right offer comes along, you never know, that's one less
38:18
Speaker 1: desirable catcher on the market. Jeffers was already at the
38:20
Speaker 1: top of the list, and now Dan it just seems
38:23
Speaker 1: even more likely.
38:25
Speaker 3: I mean, he's certainly the best catcher available, and he's
38:28
Speaker 3: hit and hit and hit. Teams that take a monograph
38:32
Speaker 3: to know that they're going to manage that hamate bone
38:36
Speaker 3: for a while, and you know, I like, that's something
38:39
Speaker 3: that's going to be part of the calculus. But he's
38:44
Speaker 3: easily the most valuable catcher, and he can make a
38:47
Speaker 3: team a winner. The thing is, do the Twins want
38:49
Speaker 3: to upset the balance of their chemistry? And I do.
38:52
Speaker 3: I recognize they have two catchers and Alex Jackson's continuing
38:55
Speaker 3: to hit for average and playing really well in a
38:58
Speaker 3: minimal role, but they do dip a lot losing Jeffers
39:03
Speaker 3: game calling knowledge, his ABS knowledge, and I mean, he's
39:07
Speaker 3: hitting for a ton of power. He's been a force
39:10
Speaker 3: in the middle of the lineup and the guy they
39:11
Speaker 3: can rely on because that first two months it was
39:14
Speaker 3: Byron Buckston and Ryan Jeffers were the guys hitting consistently
39:18
Speaker 3: in April and May when the rest of the lineup
39:20
Speaker 3: was kind of struggling. But if that solves a woe,
39:24
Speaker 3: if you've got a really good relief pitcher, if you've
39:26
Speaker 3: got I don't know what the market is for rental catcher.
39:30
Speaker 3: Rental players have had very stingy They've not gotten a
39:35
Speaker 3: ton of return in the last couple of years. But
39:37
Speaker 3: you're talking about the best player available at that position,
39:41
Speaker 3: and it makes you think like teams are going to
39:44
Speaker 3: overpay for Scooble. They are going to give the Tigers
39:47
Speaker 3: a ton I think if you are talking about a
39:50
Speaker 3: catcher that's such a thinned out position availability wise, the
39:55
Speaker 3: Yankees need him, the Rays could use him. The only
39:57
Speaker 3: thing is if you do that, you're feeding your some
40:00
Speaker 3: of your opponents, like the guys you the teams you
40:03
Speaker 3: might want to play in October. Right, It's a it's
40:06
Speaker 3: a tough line to dance, because he certainly can get
40:09
Speaker 3: you major league help back. I would think, what.
40:12
Speaker 1: What do you make of the clubhouse factor there, Tyler,
40:14
Speaker 1: Because obviously chemistry is legit, but also at some point
40:18
Speaker 1: players have to understand the logic of some of these
40:21
Speaker 1: moves and understand why this one, if you're trying to
40:24
Speaker 1: improve this team down the road, might make sense.
40:27
Speaker 4: That's that's why I've kind of I've been stuck on
40:29
Speaker 4: him as the one guy that is safe because of that.
40:33
Speaker 4: It's you know, yes, he's been there, he was drafted
40:35
Speaker 4: by the Twins, you know all the good stuff that
40:38
Speaker 4: comes along with that. But he's going to walk this year.
40:41
Speaker 4: He's a free agent. Like everyone knows he's leaving. He's
40:44
Speaker 4: going to get paid. He's going to be one of
40:46
Speaker 4: the highly sought after catchers on the market this year.
40:49
Speaker 4: And if you're Minnesota, we kind of talked about it
40:52
Speaker 4: as Kroteina and we found the ball of his kneecap.
40:55
Speaker 4: You know, Jackson's been serviceable when he's played. You have
40:59
Speaker 4: a bit of a C or plus. You know, he's
41:02
Speaker 4: a guy you could get a lot for, you know,
41:04
Speaker 4: other other than Joe who has you know, one year
41:07
Speaker 4: of control left, Like he's probably your next option to
41:10
Speaker 4: get the best return and if you're gonna lose him anyways,
41:14
Speaker 4: you know it's it's a move that makes sense. It's logical,
41:17
Speaker 4: and the players know that, like he knows that. You know,
41:20
Speaker 4: he's probably already got his agent, you know, in his ear,
41:23
Speaker 4: like you know, teams or whatever, you know, murmuring. You know,
41:27
Speaker 4: it's one. It's definitely a weird time. But as a
41:31
Speaker 4: player in that situation, you hear guys talk about it.
41:34
Speaker 4: You know, I was never traded, but it's it's nice
41:37
Speaker 4: sometimes to be that guy. You know, it tells you, like, hey,
41:41
Speaker 4: you are really good at baseball, Like you're a really
41:43
Speaker 4: good big leaguer. When a team wants you, like that
41:46
Speaker 4: does something for guys, and you know, to that point,
41:50
Speaker 4: he can go get traded to a big you know,
41:52
Speaker 4: big city somewhere, you go to New York or LA
41:55
Speaker 4: or you know, pick the place and and get a
41:57
Speaker 4: taste of that before he hits free agency. Like there's
41:59
Speaker 4: a lot of positives that come from it. You know,
42:02
Speaker 4: he's not a guy that needs to change the scenery.
42:04
Speaker 4: He's not a guy that needs to go anywhere. But
42:07
Speaker 4: for the Twins and the front office in particular, it's
42:10
Speaker 4: a chance to get something legitimate in return. You know,
42:13
Speaker 4: a lot of Farland last year, you know Jeffers. This year,
42:17
Speaker 4: you get something good in return, maybe a guy that
42:19
Speaker 4: can impact the team tomorrow. You know, it's one of
42:23
Speaker 4: those moves. It's good for everyone, and that's what you want.
42:26
Speaker 4: At the end of the day. They can as Dan
42:28
Speaker 4: said earlier, a trade can be good for both teams,
42:30
Speaker 4: and this is a situation where Brian Jeffers could land
42:33
Speaker 4: in a great spot go win a World Series potentially,
42:36
Speaker 4: and the Twins could get something back to help them
42:38
Speaker 4: make a playoff push.
42:39
Speaker 1: Right, that's a great point, Like it doesn't have to
42:41
Speaker 1: be just for prospects, you know, they they could they
42:44
Speaker 1: could get a return that helps them right now in
42:46
Speaker 1: a different different area. Victor Carroll, Yeah, that's easier to sell, yeap,
42:53
Speaker 1: Victor Victor Carrottini hitting two eighty three since late May.
42:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look more in twenty two when Jeffers was down,
43:01
Speaker 3: are the twins four and twenty two they more than
43:04
Speaker 3: held their own. It's not like it is just wondering
43:09
Speaker 3: what because because there is a difference between Alex Jackson's
43:13
Speaker 3: book of knowledge with writers, right, and clearly he is
43:18
Speaker 3: not the abs guy that Jeffers and kroteniar and we've
43:22
Speaker 3: seen that where he's his percentage is not as good
43:25
Speaker 3: on challenges you lose there. But Jackson's done a nice
43:28
Speaker 3: job thoughing it like it's they did a good job
43:31
Speaker 3: more than tread and water when you lost a guy
43:34
Speaker 3: like Jeffers. Yeah.
43:36
Speaker 1: A name that we that we haven't talked about as
43:39
Speaker 1: much lately, Matt Walner, who is shredding in TRIPA A
43:42
Speaker 1: two eighty four with nineteen homers since getting sent down
43:45
Speaker 1: to the Saints. The team just doesn't have room for
43:49
Speaker 1: him in the outfield. Guys and Dan, it seems like
43:52
Speaker 1: he could potentially get a return despite not playing in
43:54
Speaker 1: the big leagues for two months.
43:57
Speaker 3: Yes, first, I'm going to do the other side thing
43:59
Speaker 3: that I always do. Okay, Look, we never would have
44:01
Speaker 3: thought that Trevor Larnick was going to be a part
44:04
Speaker 3: of this team. Everybody in media, everybody in the area
44:08
Speaker 3: last year thought Trevor Larnik. They weren't going tender in
44:10
Speaker 3: a contract, and then when they did, it was like, wait,
44:12
Speaker 3: what are they doing. They're giving up four million, four
44:16
Speaker 3: point five million of their one hundred and seven million
44:18
Speaker 3: dollars to a guy that they has kind of redundant.
44:21
Speaker 3: And then Trevor Larnak basically just made us all look
44:24
Speaker 3: stupid all season long. Right, Matt Wallner, it doesn't look
44:29
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of spots coming going forward, and
44:32
Speaker 3: he's been outstanding, Like in July alone, it's he's hit
44:35
Speaker 3: in three oh seven, He's got seven homers in July.
44:37
Speaker 3: So you mentioned the two eighty four nineteen homers. It's
44:39
Speaker 3: been even better in July hit two the other day
44:43
Speaker 3: at TRIPAA, And yet I don't know where he's going
44:47
Speaker 3: to play for this team unless you traded Trevor Larnock
44:50
Speaker 3: and then maybe you brought up Matt Waalner. Maybe that's
44:52
Speaker 3: the play. I don't know. But when you look at
44:55
Speaker 3: the future and how clouded it is, Alan Rhoden's here,
44:59
Speaker 3: You've got Martin, you got Buston Clemens, takes some time
45:02
Speaker 3: in outfield, key Shaw's out there now, and it looks
45:05
Speaker 3: like Keyshaw's gonna be in the outfield, and Walker Jenkins
45:08
Speaker 3: is pretty much ready. So like, where does Matt Walner
45:11
Speaker 3: fit in this picture? And I don't know that a
45:15
Speaker 3: contending team is gonna go, yeah, we want Matt Walner.
45:17
Speaker 3: I don't think the Yankees are gonna look at it
45:19
Speaker 3: and go, yeah, we want Matt Walner. But does a
45:21
Speaker 3: team like the Rockies, does a team like the Reds,
45:24
Speaker 3: does a team like Los Angeles Angels look at Matt
45:27
Speaker 3: Walner and go, He's got three years a team control left.
45:30
Speaker 3: He's a one twenty eight ops plus guy. And like,
45:33
Speaker 3: if you're in a warmer spot, like what if maybe
45:37
Speaker 3: the early season slump is because he's going from ninety
45:41
Speaker 3: degree Florida, Minnesota. It's every year. Hey hey, let me
45:52
Speaker 3: just ask you this. How long when you moved? Because
45:55
Speaker 3: that how long did you live in southern California?
45:57
Speaker 7: Fourth?
46:00
Speaker 2: Almost twelve years?
46:01
Speaker 3: Okay, how long did it take the blood to get
46:03
Speaker 3: used to the cold weather again?
46:04
Speaker 2: When you day? One day?
46:06
Speaker 3: One day? One? Sure? Uh huh sure. Matt Walner lives
46:09
Speaker 3: in Mississippi. He went to southern miss He has a
46:12
Speaker 3: house right on the Gulf. Matt Waalner is not as
46:15
Speaker 3: as far as as far as one of us, which
46:19
Speaker 3: I'm not one of us, but as far as one
46:22
Speaker 3: of us, he is one of us during the baseball season.
46:25
Speaker 3: So that's a big man. Those are a lot of
46:27
Speaker 3: body parts that take time to get moving in the
46:29
Speaker 3: cold weather. If you're like the Twins, don't you say,
46:32
Speaker 3: look angels like, hey, we can, we can. It's so
46:36
Speaker 3: much warmer in southern California in April and May. It won't.
46:39
Speaker 3: He won't start in these massive slumps to start the season,
46:42
Speaker 3: because look, when the weather warms up. Matt Walner is
46:44
Speaker 3: amazing every year. This happened to him two years ago,
46:47
Speaker 3: This happened to him in twenty twenty three, he came
46:49
Speaker 3: up and was like a mid season edition and was
46:51
Speaker 3: just so clutch. He gets going in June and July
46:54
Speaker 3: every year it's it's like just his amo and he's
46:59
Speaker 3: a one to twenty eighth PS plus player for his
47:01
Speaker 3: career before this year, somebody might see value in that
47:04
Speaker 3: and say, we'll give you this intriguing arm, like a
47:08
Speaker 3: better version of last year as brock Stewart for James
47:10
Speaker 3: Outman swap where brock Stewart certainly was a good reliever
47:14
Speaker 3: when he's healthy, but when he's healthy is such a
47:16
Speaker 3: huge part of that that it only fetched them James
47:19
Speaker 3: Outman and James Outman. We like, if brock Stewart was
47:22
Speaker 3: even a little bit healthier, you might've got a pretty
47:25
Speaker 3: interesting player in that. So if Matt Wallner has this
47:28
Speaker 3: track record, we're not talking about like as struggling like
47:32
Speaker 3: Outman's like fifty percent as a bat's resultant strikeouts, it's
47:36
Speaker 3: not it's not there, and Walner has done this. So
47:40
Speaker 3: could one of those teams take a shot and give
47:42
Speaker 3: them back an intriguing arm that wouldn't be that'd be
47:46
Speaker 3: interesting to me. I mean, look, how's he going to
47:48
Speaker 3: replace the guy that saves fainting children. Like that's that's
47:52
Speaker 3: who's next in line. Walker Jenkins is the next guy
47:55
Speaker 3: to go. And Walker Jenkins plays a lot better defense.
47:58
Speaker 3: He just fits better. Yeah, that was kind of so
48:02
Speaker 3: like maybe if it was Larnick. Maybe if they traded
48:04
Speaker 3: Larnick and and you know, somebody mentioned that to me,
48:07
Speaker 3: is like, look, everybody looked at us and thought we
48:09
Speaker 3: were dumb for bringing back Trevor Larnick and get here
48:12
Speaker 3: he is, like if Larnick, they moved on from Larnick
48:15
Speaker 3: after this season, Walner still has three years of team
48:17
Speaker 3: control life. That's interesting. And I know we're running along.
48:20
Speaker 3: I can see the Zach face for running along, So
48:22
Speaker 3: I'll let you.
48:23
Speaker 1: No, I'm just gonna add if if you if you
48:27
Speaker 1: deal Walner and he ends up good somewhere else, you
48:31
Speaker 1: could you tease you could trade him for Aaron Judge
48:33
Speaker 1: and people will never let you forget that you traded
48:35
Speaker 1: away to local, local product.
48:37
Speaker 2: Who made one of us. One of us.
48:40
Speaker 4: They kept us Waldough Arcia forever because David Ortiz was
48:44
Speaker 4: haunting their dreams. Arius David Arius, That's right.
48:52
Speaker 1: David Ortiz does haunt the dreams, along with several other
48:56
Speaker 1: players in Minnesota sports history who we decided.
49:00
Speaker 2: Need anymore.
49:02
Speaker 1: Up next. We'll make this quick, but we've got three
49:04
Speaker 1: games with the Royals. Twins are off on Monday, back
49:07
Speaker 1: to work Tuesday before heading out to Seattle for the
49:10
Speaker 1: last series before the trade deadline. TOAJ Bradley, Joe Ryan,
49:14
Speaker 1: Bailey Ober the scheduled starters.
49:17
Speaker 2: In that order.
49:18
Speaker 1: Old friend Randy Dobnak will be on the mound against
49:21
Speaker 1: Joe Ryan on Wednesday. It's Seth Lugo on Tuesday against TODJ. Bradley,
49:25
Speaker 1: and then.
49:26
Speaker 2: In the h Did I get that right?
49:29
Speaker 4: Yes?
49:29
Speaker 1: And then Thursday, the day game, Noah Cameron takes on
49:32
Speaker 1: Bailly Over. Twins have not played well against the Royals
49:35
Speaker 1: this year, Tyler. But if ever there was a time
49:39
Speaker 1: to figure that out, it's now.
49:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. And the Royal I mean, the roads are down bad,
49:43
Speaker 4: Bobby's out. You know, they've had their struggles within, you know,
49:46
Speaker 4: things like that. But you know, those those pitchers going
49:49
Speaker 4: for them are guys that you know. Seth Lugo obviously
49:52
Speaker 4: I was there with them. He's the guy who he
49:54
Speaker 4: breaks down every hitter that's in that lineup, and he's
49:57
Speaker 4: going to attack their weak spots and if he's on,
50:00
Speaker 4: he can be a tough customer. You know, we know Randy,
50:03
Speaker 4: he's gonna get a lot of ground balls. You know,
50:06
Speaker 4: he's getting more swing and miss with his stuff. You
50:08
Speaker 4: know that Noah Cameron's another good lefty. Like it's not
50:11
Speaker 4: gonna be a slouch of a series by any means.
50:14
Speaker 4: You know, it's one you got to make sure and
50:16
Speaker 4: show up ready to play baseball because you know, you
50:19
Speaker 4: got to score runs to win, and if you get
50:20
Speaker 4: shut shut down like we did in that Friday game,
50:24
Speaker 4: you know it could go south pretty quickly. But you
50:26
Speaker 4: know this is another series where show up, put some
50:29
Speaker 4: pressure early, you know, get into the bullpen, you know,
50:32
Speaker 4: get those guys in the game and just keep attacking
50:36
Speaker 4: because it's you know, like yesterday's game, they kept applying
50:39
Speaker 4: a little bit of pressure. You know, a few errors
50:41
Speaker 4: obviously helped them get outlong. But you know, the more
50:44
Speaker 4: pressure you put on these teams and the more times
50:46
Speaker 4: you get into that bullpen, you know, it's it makes
50:48
Speaker 4: for a fun series. And you know the Royals are
50:51
Speaker 4: they're not in the mix, but they're they're looking for
50:53
Speaker 4: any sign of life. You know, get some momentum going
50:56
Speaker 4: in that locker room, and you know they still have salvy,
50:59
Speaker 4: They've still got some guys that can swing the bat
51:01
Speaker 4: and they can get you if you let them. So
51:02
Speaker 4: it's one you know, show up ready to play baseball
51:05
Speaker 4: because otherwise it can change. This whole conversation we just
51:08
Speaker 4: had turns into So next year is going to be
51:11
Speaker 4: this for the Twins, you know, instead of worrying about playoffs.
51:13
Speaker 4: So it's a it's definitely a big one. You know,
51:16
Speaker 4: getting the first one always matters the most, So take them,
51:19
Speaker 4: take full advantage of this off day, get ready and
51:21
Speaker 4: and you know, watch some video to get ready for
51:23
Speaker 4: these guys where you see him.
51:26
Speaker 1: Third worst team the Ale by winning percentage. They're eleven
51:30
Speaker 1: and a half out in the Central so eight games
51:32
Speaker 1: worse than the Twins. Now, are you gonna be there
51:35
Speaker 1: for this one?
51:36
Speaker 3: I am? And I can't wait to talk to Randy
51:38
Speaker 3: Dobnach real quick. Randy Dobnack story twenty nineteen, The Rookie
51:44
Speaker 3: dress up trip. Randy Dobnach was leaving Detroit Is after
51:48
Speaker 3: they clinched I believe and or maybe wedding. Yeah, I
51:53
Speaker 3: had to leave for his wedding and Rocco let him go.
51:55
Speaker 3: And now look, remember Randy Dobnack started that year in
51:58
Speaker 3: a ball and through the minor leagues. I think it
52:01
Speaker 3: was his fourth stop to get to the majors because
52:03
Speaker 3: the Twins were desperate for arms, and he had already
52:06
Speaker 3: planned his wedding because what is a minor leaguer doing
52:08
Speaker 3: at the end of September. They're not playing right, and
52:11
Speaker 3: especially when you're an a ball and your guy that
52:13
Speaker 3: got scouted off a computer, off YouTube videos or like
52:18
Speaker 3: like that's how they found him. Billy Mellose like longtime
52:21
Speaker 3: legendary Twins scout. Now he's with the Rockies as a scout,
52:25
Speaker 3: but Billy found him on video and was like, hey,
52:27
Speaker 3: this guy, there's something there. Anyways, he's supposed to get married,
52:31
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden he's in the majors
52:32
Speaker 3: and Rocco lets him go. But it's the rookie dress
52:35
Speaker 3: up trip on the flight, and Randy knew he couldn't
52:38
Speaker 3: get away with it, and so like he fully got
52:43
Speaker 3: through Detroit, he went to dtw dressed as Ben Steller's
52:50
Speaker 3: character from Dodgeball. The Global Gym, The The.
52:53
Speaker 4: Global Gym Guys.
52:56
Speaker 3: He he full on went through security dressed in dodgeball gear,
53:04
Speaker 3: and like, I I think that's like speaks so much
53:08
Speaker 3: to who this guy is, Like like he knew he
53:11
Speaker 3: was already getting a break, getting to go leave his
53:14
Speaker 3: team to get married in the middle of the season,
53:17
Speaker 3: but he dressed up like he he did not try
53:20
Speaker 3: to get out of Like how easy would it have
53:22
Speaker 3: been to get out of the rookie dress up and
53:25
Speaker 3: by himself, not a single Twins person with him just
53:28
Speaker 3: having to go through security. Can you imagine going, you know,
53:32
Speaker 3: and and talking to any of the security officers being
53:36
Speaker 3: like what what what is that in your bag? Sir?
53:41
Speaker 3: Like like he's like full on just like talking to people,
53:44
Speaker 3: having a great time, because that's Randy dob Maack And
53:47
Speaker 3: I just wanted to bring that story to light and
53:49
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: a really good one. We'll save it.
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Speaker 1: this point anyway. Twins once again off today evening games
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