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The Monster That Kept Little Girls In Dungeons - Serial Killer Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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  Speaker 1: Paper was light gold in medieval times.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what tobacco sugar.
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  Speaker 3: That everything we thought we knew about the world might
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  Speaker 3: turn out to be completely wrong.
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  Speaker 4: In the summer of nineteen ninety six, the whole of
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  Speaker 4: Belgium was in shock when two young girls who had
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  Speaker 4: been kidnapped, raped and tortured were rescued from a makeshift
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  Speaker 4: dungeon the lower house in Marcenelle. As the weeks passed,
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  Speaker 4: the bodies of four other young girls were found buried
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  Speaker 4: and properties linked to the same man.
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  Speaker 5: Some of them staff to death, others were buried life.
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  Speaker 5: These are some of the most horrendous crimes that any
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  Speaker 5: criminologists will ever come across.
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  Speaker 4: It was the beginning of a terrible nightmare for the
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  Speaker 4: entire nation.
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  Speaker 2: It was such a huge thing.
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  Speaker 6: No one could believe that such a person could exist
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  Speaker 6: in Belgians.
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  Speaker 2: It was unthinkable.
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  Speaker 4: With the help of his wife, Michelle Martin, convicted pedophile,
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  Speaker 4: marked a True's unhealthy desire for young girls had turned deadly.
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  Speaker 4: The youngest victims who died in his homemade dungeon were
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  Speaker 4: just eight years old.
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  Speaker 3: It is unimaginable cruelty and something that sets to true
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  Speaker 3: Apart from some other serial.
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  Speaker 4: Killers marked a True, the man dubbed the Monster of Marsonnel,
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  Speaker 4: had earned his place as one of the world's most
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  Speaker 4: evil killers. It was a case that sent yoch waves
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  Speaker 4: across Europe. For a year during the mid nineteen nineties,
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  Speaker 4: a Belgian killer had been abducting, torturing and raping young girls,
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  Speaker 4: keeping them chained inside his abandoned properties. It wasn't until
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  Speaker 4: the summer of nineteen ninety six, when two of the
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  Speaker 4: young girls were found alive inside a basement in Marceonel,
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  Speaker 4: that the Belgian public discovered the heenous crimes committed by
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  Speaker 4: Mark the Truth.
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  Speaker 7: Behind the facade of this perfectly ordinary looking house lay
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  Speaker 7: a chamber of horrors.
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  Speaker 2: Down in that cellar.
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  Speaker 7: It's alleged that the True built a cage to keep
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  Speaker 7: his victims. They were locked away like animals, raped, repeating
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  Speaker 7: and mentally tortured.
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  Speaker 4: But this killer's story begins over sixty years ago. Born
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  Speaker 4: in Excel on the sixth of November nineteen fifty six,
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  Speaker 4: Mark de True was the oldest of five children.
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  Speaker 3: His parents were teachers and at one point emigrated to
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  Speaker 3: the Belgian Congo, where they taught. But when the crisis
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  Speaker 3: erupted in that country. They bought Dutrue back to Belgium
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty.
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  Speaker 4: His parents eventually separated in nineteen seventy one, and fifteen
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  Speaker 4: year old that True stayed with his mother.
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  Speaker 5: We know that his mother was incredibly dominant, his father
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  Speaker 5: was very aggressive, so I think it was quite a
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  Speaker 5: hostile environment to grow up in, and I think those
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  Speaker 5: attachments or lack of attachments with his parents in those
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  Speaker 5: early years did play quite a role in the person
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  Speaker 5: He became.
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  Speaker 4: Trained as an elle pctrician, but often unemployed. Da True
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  Speaker 4: soon began a long criminal history, including convictions for car theft,
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  Speaker 4: mugging and drug dealing.
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  Speaker 1: Du True.
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  Speaker 3: Had a lot of contact with the police. He stepped
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  Speaker 3: up from car theft into a rather grand form of
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  Speaker 3: car theft, which involved shipping quite expensive luxury cars which
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  Speaker 3: had stolen in Belgium out of the country into czechoslovakir
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  Speaker 3: and Hungary.
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  Speaker 4: The profit from his crimes led to True owning seven
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  Speaker 4: properties in and around the city of Charleroois, forty five
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  Speaker 4: miles south of Brussels. By nineteen eighty three, twenty six
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  Speaker 4: year old d True was married with two children, but
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  Speaker 4: he'd begun an affair with a school teacher called Michelle Martin.
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  Speaker 4: The twenty three year old would eventually become D'true's partner
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  Speaker 4: in life and crime, with whom he also had three
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  Speaker 4: more children. The severity of Da Tru's crimes escalated from
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  Speaker 4: theft to sexual assault, and in nineteen eighty nine, he
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  Speaker 4: was found guilty of the abduction and rape of five
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  Speaker 4: young girls, one of who was just eleven years old.
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  Speaker 5: Marty True was a predator who selected his prey very carefully.
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  Speaker 5: He wanted to choose people who were easy to target
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  Speaker 5: in the first place, easy to abduct, but also easy
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  Speaker 5: to manipulate once he had them under his control, so
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  Speaker 5: he would go for the most vulnerable victims that he
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  Speaker 5: could find that fulfilled his desires.
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  Speaker 4: Dtru's now wife, Michelle, was found to be complicit in
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  Speaker 4: the abductions and served two years of a five years sentence.
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  Speaker 3: The psychiatrists suggest that Martine and du True husband and wife,
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  Speaker 3: are a classic example of foliadder that one egged the
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  Speaker 3: other on and that therefore the sum of the two
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  Speaker 3: of them was even more dangerous than one alone.
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  Speaker 5: I think when we look at the relationship between the
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  Speaker 5: True and his wife, who was implicated in many of
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  Speaker 5: his crimes. It is quite interesting. It's quite possible that
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  Speaker 5: some people see her as just another one of his victims,
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  Speaker 5: somebody else who was manipulated and coerced by him. And
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  Speaker 5: when we look at March the True and his behavior,
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  Speaker 5: he is incredibly charming at times, and he can be
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  Speaker 5: very persuasive. So it wouldn't surprise me if he'd set
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  Speaker 5: out with the intention of recruiting somebody to help him
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  Speaker 5: in his crimes. And this is somebody who fell for
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  Speaker 5: his charms and went along with it.
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  Speaker 4: The True was released on parole in nineteen ninety two
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  Speaker 4: after serving three years of a thirteen year sentence, having
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  Speaker 4: showed good behavior.
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  Speaker 3: I find that extraordinary. You can be convicted of the
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  Speaker 3: ape and abduction of five girls, the youngest of which
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  Speaker 3: is eleven, and you can walk out of jail after
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  Speaker 3: three years of a thirteen and a half year sentence.
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  Speaker 4: Georgeoircano, a Belgian investigative journalist, has spent over ten years
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  Speaker 4: reporting on the De True case.
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  Speaker 1: Is it da man de premiere?
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  Speaker 6: The True is an expert manipulator. He made everyone cry,
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  Speaker 6: He made everybody believe that his family had abandoned him
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  Speaker 6: as an exemporary prisoner. He came out very quickly. The
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  Speaker 6: prisons are overpopulated, and for authorities he was nothing more
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  Speaker 6: than a carthy.
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  Speaker 1: I bid for the old came.
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  Speaker 4: By the summer of nineteen ninety five, d True was
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  Speaker 4: a free man and living with his wife Michelle in
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  Speaker 4: one of his Charlois homes in the suburb of Marcenelle.
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  Speaker 4: On the twenty fourth of June, two eight year old girls,
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  Speaker 4: Julie le Jeerne and Melissa Russo, went missing from the
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  Speaker 4: town of grass Slange, just fifty five miles east of Charlois.
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  Speaker 1: I love badud Mondeonson.
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  Speaker 6: As there was no handsome request, no information about whether
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  Speaker 6: they had been kidnapped. Probably they had been abducted by
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  Speaker 6: a predator, a pedophar who has in most cases killed
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  Speaker 6: his victims to silence them. Yesmo, But who could imagine
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  Speaker 6: that a man was going to take away the girls
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  Speaker 6: to keep them alive, locked alive inside a cellar.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody person.
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  Speaker 4: True, with the help of his wife Michelle, had abducted
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  Speaker 4: the two children and were keeping them prisoner inside a
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  Speaker 4: homemade dungeon.
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  Speaker 3: True constructed a cell beneath his house and child which
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  Speaker 3: was seven feet long, three feet wide and approximately five
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  Speaker 3: feet high, hidden behind a very strong, elaborate door, which
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  Speaker 3: was then covered with concrete and was hidden in his basement.
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  Speaker 3: He put these two eight year old girls, Leisha and
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  Speaker 3: and Rousseau, into the cell and kept them there for
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  Speaker 3: the next three months.
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  Speaker 4: As Julie and Melissa remained locked up into True's dungeon,
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  Speaker 4: his sexual depravity was escalating, and just two months later
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  Speaker 4: he would have duck two more girls, but this time
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  Speaker 4: it would lead to murder. On August twenty third, over
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  Speaker 4: one hundred miles away on the Belgian coast, two more
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  Speaker 4: girls disappeared. Best friends, seventeen year old and Martial and
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  Speaker 4: nineteen year old Effia Lambrecks, had gone missing while on
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  Speaker 4: a camping trip. When the girls didn't return home, their
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  Speaker 4: friends instantly alerted Effia's father, Jean.
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  Speaker 8: Captain zu Meysetu if you need to dirty form.
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  Speaker 9: We immediately had the feeling that something was wrong because
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  Speaker 9: she was always open about things. She always said where
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  Speaker 9: she was going and who she had seen. She would
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  Speaker 9: never not anyone and just stay away. That was not
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  Speaker 9: what Effia would do all.
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  Speaker 1: And that was if you had to do it.
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  Speaker 4: The last reported sighting of Anne and Effia was at
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  Speaker 4: midnight in the central train station of Ostend, a coastal
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  Speaker 4: town in northern Belgium. Initially, the local police had dismissed
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  Speaker 4: the parents' concerns.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they did not draw up a report.
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  Speaker 9: They said they must have gone out, they'll return soon.
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  Speaker 9: But during those first days nothing was done. And afterwards
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  Speaker 9: their friends contacted us and we went to see the
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  Speaker 9: police at Hasselt. They did respond, and at that stage
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  Speaker 9: the police at the coast started investigating. The police then
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  Speaker 9: asked questions if she was, you know, if perhaps she
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  Speaker 9: was addicted to drugs or something. My response was that
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  Speaker 9: Efia did not approve of those things. She was against it.
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  Speaker 9: I did not believe anything like that. But anyway, you
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  Speaker 9: start doubting, well, sometimes you start wondering, did I miss something?
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  Speaker 8: Havoc dogis overaed in my other afterdam I mix Smith, Marg.
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  Speaker 4: And Martial's father Paul went to visit investigative journalist Douglas
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  Speaker 4: to Connig to see if he could help.
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  Speaker 8: I remember very well that poor Marschall came into the office.
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  Speaker 8: He pleaders, please please put a picture of my daughter
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  Speaker 8: on your front pitch, and I think you were laughing
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  Speaker 8: at him. And said, oh, oh God, God, this poor man.
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  Speaker 8: His daughter is sure somewhere partying with some friends, and
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  Speaker 8: she will show up in a few days.
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  Speaker 4: But and if you were not out partying. In fact,
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  Speaker 4: marked the True, with the help of a man called
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  Speaker 4: Michel Lilievre, had abducted, raped, and murdered the two young women.
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  Speaker 2: They were.
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  Speaker 3: Inveigled into the van that Dutreu used for the abductions.
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  Speaker 3: Because the dungeon beneath the house was full of the
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  Speaker 3: two eight year olds. They chained these two girls to
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  Speaker 3: a bed in the rest of the house when exactly
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  Speaker 3: Marshall and Lembrick died, and precisely how has always been
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  Speaker 3: a little mysterious. What is not in doubt is that
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  Speaker 3: they were tortured and raped and eventually strangled.
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  Speaker 4: In December nineteen ninety five, De True was arrested in
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  Speaker 4: relation to a car theft. He was convicted and served
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  Speaker 4: almost four months in prison. During this time, the police
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  Speaker 4: searched his Marcinelle home. They were agonizingly close to finding
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  Speaker 4: out da True's darkest secret.
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  Speaker 3: Twice the December nineteen ninety five, On the thirteenth and
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  Speaker 3: the ninth, police searched the house in shaha. One of
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  Speaker 3: the most poignant and tragic parts of that search, which
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  Speaker 3: included a search of the basement, was that the police
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  Speaker 3: failed to identify the dungeon. Even more horrifying, the two
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  Speaker 3: policemen who searched the house were accompanied by a locksmith
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  Speaker 3: who would help them. The locksmith told the policeman that
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  Speaker 3: he heard screams. The policeman said, oh, it must be
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  Speaker 3: from outside, and disregarded him. The terrible truth is that
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  Speaker 3: it was from the two eight year olds hidden in
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  Speaker 3: this cell as dungeon.
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  Speaker 4: At the True's house, officers had also found several VHS cassettapes.
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  Speaker 4: His investigators didn't watch them until much later.
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  Speaker 8: I was a video home video bearing made by market
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  Speaker 8: your True where he was filming the development into works
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  Speaker 8: in his child cage. This was essential proof that they
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  Speaker 8: were on the right track. But for some strange reason,
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  Speaker 8: they did this house search and they didn't exploit the
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  Speaker 8: information they got from it.
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  Speaker 4: The police mistakes came at a fatal cost. By the
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  Speaker 4: time the True arrived back home after his release from
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  Speaker 4: prison in March nineteen ninety six, Julie Lechern and Melissa
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  Speaker 4: Russo were dead. His wife, Michelle had allowed the two
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  Speaker 4: eight year old children to starve to death in the
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  Speaker 4: makeshift dungeon.
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  Speaker 3: The True had told her to feed their large German
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  Speaker 3: shepherd dog look after him. He neglected to tell Michell,
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  Speaker 3: apparently to feed the two eight year olds in the dungeon.
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  Speaker 3: Some say, in defensive due to his wife, that she
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  Speaker 3: was so terrified of the whole idea of the dungeon
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  Speaker 3: and the fact that they might do something or she
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to control them meant that she couldn't
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  Speaker 3: go in, and so she therefore allowed them to starve
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  Speaker 3: to death. I've always regarded that as an over benevolent
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  Speaker 3: description of what probably happened. But what I do believe
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  Speaker 3: is that between them, they allowed these children, eight year
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  Speaker 3: old girls, to suffer dreadfully, and there is no excuse
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  Speaker 3: in my mind for them.
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  Speaker 4: The True didn't wait long to find a replacement for
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  Speaker 4: the two girls. On the twenty eighth of May nineteen
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  Speaker 4: ninety six, he kidnapped twelve year olds Sabine Den on
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  Speaker 4: her way to school and locked her in his dungeon
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  Speaker 4: for the next three months. To True emotion tortured Sabine
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  Speaker 4: by making her think she was in contact with her
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  Speaker 4: mother and father.
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  Speaker 6: She wrote letters to her parents, but obviously he didn't
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  Speaker 6: send the letters. He read them. He used what was
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  Speaker 6: in the letters to manipulate her. Yet she resisted. Despite everything,
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  Speaker 6: she did not create that attachment with him.
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  Speaker 4: The True was still on the hunt for more girls.
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  Speaker 4: On August and ninth, he abducted fourteen year old Letitia
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  Speaker 4: Delay as she walked home from her local swimming pool,
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  Speaker 4: before taking her back to his Marcinelle home to join
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  Speaker 4: Sabine Darden in the underground dungeon. But Letitia's kidnapping would
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  Speaker 4: be the first step in the dramatic downfall of Mark
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  Speaker 4: de True.
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  Speaker 3: By accident, it was an eyewitness who saw her being
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  Speaker 3: bundled into a van on that day and got part
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  Speaker 3: of the number plate.
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  Speaker 4: The man had seen a suspicious white van driving away
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  Speaker 4: from the swimming pool where Letitia was last seen light
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  Speaker 4: reno traffic with a license plate beginning with the letters
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  Speaker 4: F F R. Prosecutor Michelle Boulat began to investigate.
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  Speaker 1: Vagi Adibi Black.
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  Speaker 10: I had the beginning of a license plate and a
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  Speaker 10: make of car to work with. There are twenty names
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  Speaker 10: that matched, and the police officer said, ah. Among these
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  Speaker 10: twenty names, there is a certain and he said that
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  Speaker 10: with a Flemish accent, because he was Flemish. The True,
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  Speaker 10: The True. This name sounds familiar, so I asked who
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  Speaker 10: is this to True? He's a man who lives in Charlerois,
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  Speaker 10: who owns a white fan with a license plate beginning
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  Speaker 10: with the letters F f R, who is sentenced in
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  Speaker 10: nineteen eighty nine on multiple abductions and rape charges to
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  Speaker 10: thirteen years in prison. So he has a high profile suspect.
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  Speaker 4: One of the police officers working with Michelle had been
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  Speaker 4: involved in a separate investigation called Operation Othello led where
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  Speaker 4: it is in Charlois looking into Da True's movements in.
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  Speaker 10: He provides us with all the information from that dossier,
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  Speaker 10: which he had been collecting since July nineteen ninety five.
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  Speaker 10: We are currently in August nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 4: Investigator Michelle and his partner Jean Mark Conrod found even
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  Speaker 4: more damning information in the Othello file, the testimony of
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  Speaker 4: a man who'd been approached by the True to help
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  Speaker 4: him kidnap girls.
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  Speaker 6: He had asked a certain Claude Thero from the Charalowar region,
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  Speaker 6: who is also a fugitive who needed money. He said
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  Speaker 6: to him I'll pay you to help me abduct girls.
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  Speaker 6: For this guy was a police informant, so he went
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  Speaker 6: and told the Gendarmerie there's a guy named Mark de
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  Speaker 6: True who lives there. He offered me money to kidnap children.
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  Speaker 10: With such strong evidence, obviously, mister Connor and I decided
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  Speaker 10: immediately to take major action concerning markd True.
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  Speaker 4: Michel and his team were planning a synchronized raid on
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  Speaker 4: all seven of Marked True's Charrois homes. If they could
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  Speaker 4: find him, it may lead them to missing fourteen year
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  Speaker 4: old Letitia del Haye, and there was a good chance
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  Speaker 4: that she may still be alive, but they needed to
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  Speaker 4: act fast. On the thirteenth of August, over forty special
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  Speaker 4: ops police officers took part in a synchronized raid on
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  Speaker 4: all seven of d True's properties in Charrois.
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  Speaker 10: At about one in the afternoon. I was at the
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  Speaker 10: headquarters of the Gendarmery of Charlois at the very moment
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  Speaker 10: when mister Connuart received the news that in one of
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  Speaker 10: the properties in Sa Le Bussier, the True was found
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  Speaker 10: with his wife and the vehicle. This was the time
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  Speaker 10: to act, as it seemed that the True was about
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  Speaker 10: to change the license plate on the Van.
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  Speaker 1: Di Vic.
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  Speaker 4: The True, his wife Michelle Martin, and an accomplished Michelle
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  Speaker 4: l'alievre were taken in for questioning. Over several hours of interrogations,
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  Speaker 4: all three maintained their innocence.
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  Speaker 10: He was consistent in his lies, following each lie by
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  Speaker 10: telling another lie. It was a manipulative behavior, but otherwise
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  Speaker 10: he stayed very, very calm.
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  Speaker 4: Belgian authorities had no choice but to eventually release l'aliev
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  Speaker 4: who denied being with the True on the day that
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  Speaker 4: Tissue was kidnapped. But moments after he left the police
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  Speaker 4: station in Charleois, a startling witness account came through Livois.
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  Speaker 10: The neighbors of his property in Marconete saw Mark de
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  Speaker 10: True and Nileev return on Friday evening carrying a child
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  Speaker 10: covered by a blanket. As they returned to his house
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  Speaker 10: to d Tru's house.
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  Speaker 3: She.
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  Speaker 4: Lulievre was immediately re arrested and taken back into custody.
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  Speaker 4: As his accomplices Alibi began to grumble. The True's interrogation
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  Speaker 4: took a drastic turn.
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  Speaker 1: Galldrid Joussi.
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  Speaker 10: The True knows that we had proof that Letitia was
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  Speaker 10: in the car, so he says, yes, I was in Beatrice,
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  Speaker 10: which he denied at the start. I met a young girl.
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  Speaker 10: I talked with her, and then she told me she
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  Speaker 10: was tired of her parents stories because there are parts
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  Speaker 10: against him, and he changes the stories to suit his
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  Speaker 10: narrative on the spot. Then at the same time Lileev
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  Speaker 10: said she was with the True, and finally on Thursday,
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  Speaker 10: he ends up telling us now that all of these
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  Speaker 10: parts of the story contradict each other, I will give
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  Speaker 10: you the two girls, not.
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  Speaker 1: That quilla contredie the jeveludni Lufi.
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  Speaker 4: The True pointed to a poster inside the interrogation room
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  Speaker 4: of another missing girl, Sabine Duden.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve year old.
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  Speaker 4: Sabine had been kidnapped by him in May.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Two days after his arrest, dou True confessed and took
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the police to the basement where Sabine and Letitia were
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: found alive.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: On the fifteenth of August nineteen ninety six, the True
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: led the investigators to his property in Marcinelle. Were hidden
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: behind a false wall in the basement was the dungeon
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: where he'd been keeping Sabine Dudden and Letitia del Hay
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: locked up.
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: He pulled down the wardrobe and inside the cage behind
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: was Sabine and Letitia.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And then we got this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: That moment, incredible news that to kidnapped girls had been
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: found alive in the cage of a person who had
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: been convicted before for this kind of crimes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: It was such a huge thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: All the journalists were on the scene at the time,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: the news magazines were there. It is as if there
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: had been a terrorist attack. No one could believe that
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: such a person could exist in Belgium.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: It was unthinkable.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Exc Douglas to coninc was one of the few journalists
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: who was allowed to enter the true's basement.
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: We had seen pictures, we had been seen images, but
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: being there, it's difficult to describe because it's it's it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: like constructed to You wouldn't even put a dog in
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: such a small place. This was really the the kind
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: of cage made to hide guns from the police.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: As Belgium woke in shock to the news that a
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: man from Marcinelle had abducted, raped, and tortured two girls
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: over several months, the families of Sabine Darden and Letitia
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: del Hay rejoiced that their daughters had been found alive.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I said Stark Or who they are.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: Rare occasions when we find the relatives and a policeman
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: or a magistrate has the opportunity to return a child
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: who have been kidnapped in such circumstances alive. It's fantastic, obviously,
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: it is a joy that can be shared with the parents.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Over the next forty eight hours, investigators continued to relentlessly
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: question the True. They were desperate to find the two
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: eight year old girls, Julie le Geerne and Melissa Russo,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: who'd been missing for more than a year.
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: Undtrue was playing a game with his investigators. Knew that
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: he never would get out of prison anymore. He knew
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: that he would be presented as the most famous criminal
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: we've ever had in Belgium, and he wanted to exploit
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: that situation.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It's put it up for.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: He had to be flattered. They had to make him
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: believe that they believed his pitiful story, make him believe
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: that things were not that bad for him. It's true that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: You were ingenious on this one.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: You were not caught, and you fooled the police and
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: here and there at that point, his ego, his ego
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: had been flattered, and little by little he let information slip.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: That's his attitude.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: After forty eight hours of this cat' and mouse game,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Mark the True finally revealed to investigators that he had
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: abducted the two eight year old girls. Officer Jean Pierre
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Adam was in the interrogation room come in buletpar As.
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: He did not say he had killed them. We hoped
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: they would be alive. We had to go fast. It
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: could have been a matter of life or death for them.
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: They could very well have been left there without food
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: or drink yet.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: But there was no happy ending this time. In the
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: back garden of the True's house in Marcinelle, police found
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: the bodies of Julie le Geerne and Melissa Russococo.
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: I remember all my life the moment that I learned
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: that we had found the bodies of Julie and Melissa.
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: It was disappointing because we always hoped to find them alive.
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: It was a great moment of solitude. Yeah, I put
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: myself in the place of the parents. For them, it
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: is one hundred thousand times worse. But even for me
• 26:41
  Speaker 11: and my colleagues who are looking for the right information, well,
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: we are extremely disappointed.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Extreme Modiciu.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine what the parents of Lejourn and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Rousseau Master felt. I mean, not only have their daughters disappeared,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: but they're allowed staff to death and are then unceremoniously
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: shoved in a bin bag and buried in the garden.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: It is unimaginable cruelty and something that sets to True
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: apart from some other serial killers.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Despite the bodies of both girls being found buried in
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the garden of his house, the True denied both abducting
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and killing them.
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: Well, it's not me who took them away. It's not
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: my fault if they died. I was in prison. Yes,
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: that's what he said to me. It's Martin who should
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: have fed them, who did not come to feed them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: The police also found the body of a Frenchman named
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Bernard Wainstein buried into True's garden. It's believed that he
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: helped the True kidnap Julie and Melissa in June nineteen
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: ninety five. Back in the police station, the pedophiles soon
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: confessed to abducting another two girls.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: In the meantime, we also had a fairly rapid confess
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: about the abduction of Anne and Effia on the Belgian coast.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Bene.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: It was the news that Effia's father, Jean had been dreading.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: To begin with, we were not told anything. Then the
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: police started asking questions if we had any more people children,
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: if he had been involved with more children. Finally, de
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: Troux also admitted that he had Anne Annaly.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Come through on the neth you hope.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: The True pointed investigators to a property in the Jumai
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: district of Charlois owned by Bernard Weinstein. The accomplice's body
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: had just been found in the True's back garden in Martinel.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: On September third, nineteen ninety six, near a shack not
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: far away from the house, police exhumed the bodies of
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Anne Martial and Effia Lambrecks. They had been missing for
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: over a year. Mortem results to reveal the pair had
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: been buried alive.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: At that time. It was only then that people began
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: to make more or less the connection between everything. No
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: one had made the link.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: The nation was completely stunned. Between nineteen ninety five even
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six marked a True, a convicted child abuser,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: had abducted and raped six young girls aged between eight
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: and nineteen years old. Four of them were now dead.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: That's conflict, useful thought, that's for him.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: His fantasy was to take youngers. He soon realized that
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: Julia and Melissa were sexually too young for him, so
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: he took ones that were a little older. That was
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: Anne and Effier. But he found that they were too
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: difficult to manage because they were older, stronger, more intelligent.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: There was one that escaped several times. He had to
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: catch her again and it became unmanageable for him, so
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: he killed them as well. In his crazy and depraved mind,
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: the first ones were too young, the others were too old.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: He chose in between, so he first took Sabine and
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: then Letitia.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: These are some of the most horrendous crimes that any
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: criminologists will ever come across. But this is somebody who
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: who just wouldn't have felt bad about his victims at all.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: He has no sense of connection to them or empathy
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: with them.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Due to the size of the ongoing investigation, it would
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: take seven and a half years before De True, Martin,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: and their accomplice Michelle Lalive were finally.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Taken to trial.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: During those years, the sheer gruesomeness of De True's crimes
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: couple with the major shortcomings of police investigations led to
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: widespread protests across the country.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So it comes to Yakuski.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: It's as if something falls on your head and you
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: say to yourself, but how did we not see it?
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: How did we not see it happen? Those events deeply
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: shuk society. You wondered what we're going to build tomorrow
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: on them?
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: All the True's case had grabbed the headlines of every
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: news outlet in Belgium and had become an international story.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: Belgian society was on the verge of breaking point. The
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: trial against Mark the True, his wife Michelle, and an
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: accomplished Michel Lariev was due to begin on the first
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: of March two thousand and four, nearly eight years after
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: the bodies of four girls had been found in two
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: properties linked to the True. By the time the trial arride,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: the story had become one of the biggest controversies in
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Belgian history.
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: Belgian society still remains deeply divided over whether they've got
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: the right people in the dock and just how thoroughly
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: the case has been investigated.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: On espir Con Truvill and Poula Viti onnesper certain Marker sepossible.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Lifton went to sleep. With this trial. It was like
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a no an addiction.
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: There were so many pages in the newspaper, so many
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: hours on television.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: The prosecution that brought over two hundred charges against the
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: True and his accomplices.
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: There was the kidnapping, the abduction, rape and murder of
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: young girls. So if you multiply that by four or five,
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: so there were roughly two hundred and thirty five two
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: hundred and fifty five charges attributable to him.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: The trial began on March the first, two thousand and
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: four at the Arl Honor Seis Court in southeast Belgium.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: The True pleaded guilty to the murder of his French
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: accomplice Bernard Weinstein, but denied kidnapping eight year olds Julie
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: la Gerne and Melissa Russo and killing camping friends Anne
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Martielle and Effia Lambrecks.
• 32:53
  Speaker 10: He continued to deny kidnapping Julian Melissa, and he also
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: denied the fact that he had killed Anne and but
• 33:01
  Speaker 10: the most important thing with regards to the kidnapping of
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: Julia and Melissa, he said, the death of Julie and
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: Melissa is not my fault. I was in prison kidding, he.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Said, one was already deceased and the other practically dead.
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: He tried, he said, that's what he said, to save her,
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: but he could not do it. He could not do it,
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: so he buried them.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: As the prosecution began to make its case, the most
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: gruesome details of the True's crimes were laid bare in
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: front of the eyes of the jury and of the
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: families of the girls.
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: They asked about the photos, how they had been found,
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: photos had been taken, and I left the cortees. I
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: did not look at those photos. They were too horrible.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: To good to us after it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: That.
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: It's very dramatical to be there, because we have to
• 34:02
  Speaker 12: see again everything that was not so so easy to
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: see and to accept.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: The testimony of kidnapped twelve year old Sabine Den now
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: age twenty, described how the True had repeatedly raped her
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: during the eighty days she was held prisoner inside the
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: trus Dungeon.
• 34:30
  Speaker 13: SMA potually if you if you see this, quos to Macriu.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: For fourteen weeks, the self obsessed psychopath used the court
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: room as his stage, communicating with his captive audience from
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: behind the glass cage where he was made to sit
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: for his own protection.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: I start to understand him better just by hearing talking
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: in direct For example, one of the moments I never
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: forget was the aircode didn't work anymore. That was just
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: terribly hot in that courtroom. And there were some people saying,
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: we cannot go through with this, we should should stop
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: today and wait until the plumber has arrived. And then
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: suddenly might be True knocked on his glass and said
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: I can fix it. And he started a whole explanation
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: about what was wrong with the system and how to
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: fix it, and he just said, to be released from
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: the box, and you would do it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Mark the True is a textbook psychopath, in my opinion,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: And when we look at psychopathy, these are people who
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: are not as emotionally complex as the rest of us.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: They don't have that same depth of feeling. They lack
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: a conscience. They operate pretty much like robots, so they
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: are able to kind of live in the present, to
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: just simply follow their own wants and desires. But I
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: think one important thing to remember about psych is they're
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: not mentally ill. They are rational, they're aware of what
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: they're doing. Their actions are the results of choice.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: What many found so disturbing was the role of the
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: True's wife, Michelle, who became a silent witness and at
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: times accomplished his Henus crimes.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Michelle Martain.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: This Michelle Martain, she's a total riddle because she's different.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: She's not liked you, True. I think if she had
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: not met you, True, she might not have done what
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: she did. And here she also tried to explain she
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: regretted it. But it's so strange that as an explanation,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: she was going to feed the dog and in the
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: house the kids were downstairs, yet she did not go
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: to them. How can people live with themselves? It's not
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: them who created the horror, but the fact that they
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: can live alongside it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: The True's defense lawyers argued that he was part of
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: a europe wide pedophile network.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: That was very weird because margu True had changed his
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: lawyers on several occasions, and now he showed up with
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: four lawyers, with each a different defense line. There was
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: one saying he's a psychopath. Don't listen to all these
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: stories about networks of criminal.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Organization behind him. No, it's him alone.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: And there was his other lawyer saying he's part of
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: a big network he's just the guy who kidnaps girls,
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: brings them to sex parties, and.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Cleans up the mess.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: But the jury ruled out the involvement of others, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: on July seventeenth, two thousand and four, they found Marked
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the True guilty to all.
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: The charges that I brought against the True. The jury
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: answered positively.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Guest Mirror.
• 37:51
  Speaker 10: Guest trez Well.
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: There was doing not much suspense because you could feel
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: how non No matter how the jury was critical towards
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: the official story, it was clear that they would condemn
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: Marked the True for.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Every accusation.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: On the twenty second of June two thousand and four,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Mark the True was given the maximum life sentence. His wife,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Michelle Martin received thirty years in prison and Michelle Lalievre
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: twenty five years for his part in the crimes. Despite
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the four month trial, there are still many questions left
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: unanswered in the True case.
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: For example, the exact locations as well as Julia Melissa
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: as If miss their parents. Until today, they don't know
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: where it happened. And it's crucial because if you want
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: to determine responsibilities, to know what exactly happened, that's what's
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: what his parents is promised what they absolutely want to
• 38:54
  Speaker 8: just a convincing explanation of what happened. They never got that, Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: doctor mere correct.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: I was hoping for more justice so that we'd know
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: who we were dealing with and also what happened to
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: e Fier, how was she murdered? And that we still
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: don't know. We do not know the details, so we
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: have never found out how she died.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I have annoyed to it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Who's a Indiga Cormans the True. His wife, Michelle, was
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: controversially released from prison on August twenty eighth, twenty twelve.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: She now lives in hiding under protection from the Belgian authorities.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: The True asked to be released on the grounds that
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: he'd seen in the light that he was no danger
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: to anybody anymore, that after all, they released his wife,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: wouldn't why couldn't they release him. The request was refused
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: and he is in solitary confinement.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Mark the True has continued to deny killing the four girls,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: and despite pleas from the families and the survivors, has
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: never given an explanation for his actions. Many people believe
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: his crime spread further and wider, and that there were
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: other accomplices involved. Leaving some with a feeling that justice
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: had not been served.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: The seris.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: We did not get any answers, and we started our
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: own investigation. We examined dossiers ourselves. We found out some things,
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: but much more is still unclear.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: Is it not fair the fact that this was a
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: case of child production.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: This was a case where.
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: The violence used against children was so evident, so uncommon,
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: that it was hard to believe that this guy not
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: only was really east from prison after only a few years,
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: but managed to find a way to start immediately again
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: with the kidnapping girls, buying houses, and he was like
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: everything that could be worse was worse.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: The True's crimes not only affected the families of his victims,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: the entire country was second by this deadly psychopath.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, The True is the one thing that Belgium would
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: not want to be remembered for. In the years between
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six and ninety eight, one third of the
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Belgian people whose name was Dutru asked to change their name.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: A commentary on how deeply affected the country was by
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: this lone wolf.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Well, some of the things that Mark the True did
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: were incredibly depraved, and he didn't seem to have any
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: bad feelings about that. He completely lacked any empathy for
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: his victims. He treated his victims essentially as commodities, as
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: items to use and discard when he was fed up
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: with them.
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: He is depraved. There are no physical signs. He's a
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: man who if you meet on the street, you'll meet him.
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: He doesn't stand out, but when you analyze his personality
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: is that of a depraved man. That's all, an intelligent
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: man who knows what he wants, but is depraved.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: He's a psychopath, someone who has no feelings for people.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: He thinks he can reconstruct his fantasies. He believes that
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: he is going to kidnap two girls away and that
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: they will become attached to him, and that they will
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: love him. He will grow old with them. One must
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: be seriously disturbed to think that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Mark de True's hideous crimes left many families in mourning
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: and a whole nation stunned. By manipult relating those around him,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: he was able to satisfy his depraved sexual urges. We
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: may never know the truth about how far and why
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Dtrue's network of crime spread, or how many children may
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: have suffered in his homemade dungeon. But we can be
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  Speaker 4: sure that Mark the True will never be free to
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  Speaker 4: cause harm to anyone ever again,