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Strictly Bias with Will Retherford More than Just an NFL Podcast (2.170.3) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back, central Indian sports fans, to another edition of Strictly Bias with the Worst Truly Little Rutherford.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am joined today by the greatest of all time, the Legends Greg Mengal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some exciting news to share.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still kind of in the works, but this could possibly be the last version of this show for a while until NFL season rolls around
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've got a great idea, it's fantastic, I can't wait time really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm really excited for it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard bits and pieces of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're hoping to eat and unveil it next week, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Showdown, let's just say showdown is showdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a passionate listener of strictly bias, feel free to jump over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: page up and we will be posting things there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that you can find us in the reach out if you have anything you'd like to add.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I don't really have a whole lot to say at this point when it comes to D&FL, but what would you like to know first?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to asking you this question because you're totally unprepared for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were the five most likely teams to win Super Bowl 61.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'm totally unprepared for this one, but it is a tough question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of uncertainty in terms of teams' offensive structures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were 20 new offensive coordinator positions that opened up, so I think that is going to be a huge
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[SPEAKER_00]: determiner of who can win the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to eliminate the 10 teams with first year head coaches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any of those teams have a chance there of the reason that they are like the same 10 teams that are always cycling new head coaches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll start off number one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the seawks don't lose me players on that defensive side of the football, I see them as another huge threat to run the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I think it's difficult when you lose your offensive coordinator to be really good again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I don't have them at number one, Greg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Rams give me the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they were the second best team to league this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to run it back with one more year, maybe with Matthew Stafford.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've still got Puka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've still got Devontay Adams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense of front four is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of think Jared verse steps into that superstar of the league type role next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going to have the Seahawks at two still just because I think that if they can bring in another competent offensive coordinator or bring somebody from in-house and elevate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: them to that role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of have the makings of a really good design dynasty with the defense as good as it is and the use that they have on that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some players and they come up for some extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're going to see that first guys that are in your three are going to start demanding some money and I think it always can get a little dramatic when you get to that point in terms of your franchise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They look great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are put me on the spot a little bit because now I'm struggling to
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[SPEAKER_01]: because so many teams were so above average this year that every team I think in the playoffs was just kind of above average and no teams were going to think that's why it's hard to come up with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got some though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Denver is probably a team that deserves to be in that conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they probably wouldn't have gotten to the Super Bowl had their quarterback state healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we do we've talked a lot about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of seem like a team that if they just add more offensive talent, they're going to be really difficult to be because they defensively are built from the front for back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have an excellent secondary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They signed to Fonga last year to a three year deal as their safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love him as the quarterstone on the backside of that defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Pastor Tane, former defensive player of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John Franklin Myers and Nick Benito, you name it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got guys everywhere on that defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you surround the next with a little bit more talent, offensively, I'm high on Portland Sutton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's an excellent wide receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if Pat Bryant can elevate himself to that number two, quickly next to your or trait, Troy Franklin, I think you're going to be looking for them to maybe draft a receiver early, so they can get one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just depends on where they have people graded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I don't want to sound crazy, but maybe Jacksonville it for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that they were potentially the best team in the AFC when they got into the postseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like their ability to stay successful longer than Houston because I think that Strald's play was really bad and was overshadowed by a generational defense that they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be crazy, but I really, I think if that offense can play the way they did those last 10 weeks next year, not I'm aware, you're not going to put 30 loss up every game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if what you saw is not a facade and there's more of the reality of a Liam Cohen offense if they can get a competent running back, Travis CTNs obviously going to be a free agent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you are going to kind of see what you get for him for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the only, this is why this new podcast, we're going to be fun because you haven't even mentioned my number one and number two yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say five is Buffalo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's my, I mean, I know that McDermott was, they can't be my number one, they just, they have not, they can't be because they consistently are at this year where we talk about how excellent they are and they just shit the bed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have the best player that will rebuild around them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a pretty good salary situation, considering Josh Allen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think every year is Super Bowl or bust for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to make some moves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll get them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't very good last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they will be doing it was a scapegoat for Josh Allen's shortcomings in that AFC championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you can say, but that he didn't coach a great game, but he's also not the guy that turned the ball over four times in a game that they could have won.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was about all year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they looked awfully good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, so it's Joe Brady and upgrade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and do you genuinely think Joe Brady's upgrade to McDermott?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I believe in Josh Allen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this year was an anomaly and he'll be back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other team that might be my number one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could talk me into having them number one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is the Los Angeles superchargers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tons of salary under the cap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're offensive linemen are going to be back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be able to continue to build on that offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be able to add some weapons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're even going to be able to add to their defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have one of the most flexible salary situations out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know else they have will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What Jim Harbaugh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's never want to Super Bowl?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it took 10 years to win an national championship in Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was seven years in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never won a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been to play off almost every time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the year though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Greg, I love Justin Herbert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's fair to say at this point that there's something he's lacking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could say a health protection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could say protection weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, don't you don't say weapons better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're getting better, but he could use an upgrade for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got three first round picks around him weapons-wise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had an excellent one-two punch running back with Come on, Evidell, and then Omerian Hampton, when he got healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were better this year than they were last year, but they could still especially a wide receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: McConkey, but he's, you know, we'll see what a Mike McDaniel offense of coordinator looks like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it could be really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that teams are starting to catch up to what he was doing in Miami.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the lead caught up to his run scheme, his motions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That offense really didn't look as good after a team spent six months preparing for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see how that translates to LA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a better quarterback at least now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ready to crown them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, no, I don't think anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to be alone on this, but at the end of next year, I'm going to be the one that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a crazy take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't think that they're better than the five teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in trend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have them over those five teams to be fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This list is probably going to change as much during the off season as it does during the season because
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's going to change between now and the regular season March one when you see these free agent signings is going to be huge, you're going to see some trades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: lot could you know what Greg it was crazy that I left them out Detroit lions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have it all the makings next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to play it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to play a number four schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got an excellent quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's playing in a dome, they're probably going to have home field advantage for majority of the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're stacked offensively if they're defense stays healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be, yeah, Detroit is Detroit in, take Jackson
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Detroit, they gotta be on that list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know why they can't be on the list, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a Detroit Lions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But just still, the Packers definitely need to be on that list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a lot of bad injury luck last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were headed for something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think the Eagles also belong on the list as well as good as that D-Chances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ehh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you never know what moves are going to make and they've got a good core of players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Siri on his fired next year than them winning a Super Bowl, probably.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they can't be discounted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you got jail and Carter, you can't be discounted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jalen Hurts hasn't really looked the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Tush push is going to get banned too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that T. If that Tush push gets banned, that team there, he gets more likely they blow up, but I still think they need to be mentioned as a team that could if things were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to trade A. J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that this contract is incredibly difficult to trade with all the backloaded money, but that he's just a cancer that cannot be on that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the public eye, I don't know what happens behind locker room doors, but he just
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says the wrong thing all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an absolute diva.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just stirs the pot, reading a book on the sideline during the middle of the game to say, I'm calming down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's absolute horseshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I say something that might sound bad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of happy in NFL, so over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just kind of getting tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a bad, especially as a cult fan and someone
12:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hated both those teams and the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the first Super Bowl I ever meant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when I watched sports, I always kind of have to be for somebody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for Super Bowl, I ever watched it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just did not care who wanted and care one bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my immediate reaction was how gross the game was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for if you're a fan of neither one of those teams at pretty disgusting, it was well played if you like defensive football, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm not really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of happy to be that out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Looking the windshield and see spring and baseball and excitement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I do when I talk about regarding baseball is the fact that we have three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two of which are star players, one is I think a star in the making players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to now miss the beginning of the season with a hammet, though, in fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All announced within the same day of each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Francisco and Dor, Corbin Carroll, who was going to play in the World Baseball Classic, for Team USA and Jackson Holiday, all are going to miss time at the same entry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just...
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just shocks me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the fracture that takes guys away all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get you can't really undo anatomy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a small bone right here in the palm of your hand by your painting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of data that suggests that players power just does not come back right away after an injury like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm curious to see how this shakes up the New York
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see how the Diamondbacks now move forward with losing their best player, maybe in franchise history, obviously the Orioles are kind of starting to build around this young core that includes Jackson Holiday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's a very interesting shake up, and I'm interested to see where teams go in the free agent market to start the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Except for the whole Dodgers though, it seems like it's going to be a pretty interesting season.
14:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody can talk about the Dodgers all they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still took them seven games to win the world series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the BlueJace kind of had that game won if they'd have performed a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get the arguments with the Kyle Tucker and all that, but I just, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Honorable, we've seen that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely can be beat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't even definitely call in the favorites, but it's an ugly blight that a team can just,
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[SPEAKER_01]: go get pretty much whatever they want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, grow some players in your farm system, do some
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's kind of disgusting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the thing is that their farm system has been so good for the last 10 years that they're able to trade guys to get players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could sit here and say, well, they're buying all this talent mokey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't bought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was traded for now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He got an extension when he got there, but they traded for no better than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was only traded from Boston because they didn't want to pay him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Dodgers would that well, that's Boston's issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the Dodgers issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's an issue with baseball that every time a player like that, the team doesn't want to pay, they end up with the doctor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think 15 years ago, it's the same ugly thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have to come up with something for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think I like the idea of a salary floor more than a salary cap.
15:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be more effective for baseball to get these teams paying on a level playing field in terms of having everybody paying a bottom dollar amount for their roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: will see if it happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got to redo this TV deal with the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's their ability to get TV revenue at a much higher percentage and rate than other franchises who are seeing their regional sport network deals basically avoided and are now getting broadcasted by the MLB.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that has to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be some way that that
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[SPEAKER_00]: you develop a system that is more inclusive to these teams that have lost their revenue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball in terms of local TV, markets is really the sports league that benefits from that the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that comes down to a journalistic standard as well, where you've got to be able to fund these regional sports networks, sports and such a great job for so long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for whatever reason, it just kind of crumbled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now part of that's because they're paying Tom Brady $100 million to talk about football for three hours, which is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems to me to be a poor business decision, but that's neither here nor there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get the.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the feces of what you're saying when it comes to the Dodgers, but at the same time, I think that you kind of need to look at the other 2019s in the league and evaluate where they're at too before you just sit and criticize a dynasty that's going to bring a lot of TV money and a lot of viewership over the next few years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we can buy hate it.
17:04
[SPEAKER_00]: We can both say we don't like it.
17:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But to, I think, minimize their impact on the game right now would be short-sighted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes MLB day-to-day less interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you just have to be a true fan of your team, like in anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many people that are casual in S.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: fans really care whether a team is greater or not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm talking casual, just turning on the game
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody has the same playing field in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a good front office, you win, you have a bad front office, you lose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole different world in the, well, and I think based on these to do a better job of getting owners out of the league, but that's a little hard to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens.
17:54
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what when the CBAs up, we'll see if we have a lockout.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm less inclined to believe that will happen, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could be swayed another way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to talk baseball this Sunday with Uncle Paul, though, and the MLB report, I think it'll be good once teams are back for spring training pictures and catchings, where I think League wide is tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there already had some teams report Tuesday and Wednesday, but I think everybody will be in either Florida or Arizona by Sunday at the latest, and I think this Thursdays the report date for most teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, I had no idea that man, that was snuck up on me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But hey, it's with the Super Bowl being later now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always the week after the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, the Tuesday after the Super Bulls, the first teams that report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Diamondbacks, Giants, Braves and Red Sox started on Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Phillies, Tigers, Orils, Astros, Metz, Pirates, and Blue Jays on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then today, Thursday will.
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[SPEAKER_01]: through his twins, Yankees, cardinals, and race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I did have one thing I wanted to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was not able to voice my opinion on this trade that I know you have some feelings on.
19:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
19:17
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the Pacer's trading for Zubak?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a positive direction, but I felt like they could have done better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like they were better fit.
19:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to change the way they play a little bit.
19:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be good now that every team copied them.
19:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe to go a different direction isn't a bad idea.
19:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Carl Isles probably the best coach that I can think of just adapting to whatever his team does.
19:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to see a lot of good basketball to say that because he's fun to watch.
20:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like what I was expecting from having a lottery pick, Benedict Matherin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really thought they could do a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I do think that Matherin kind of being on his way out and kind of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: frustration known league-wide that like, hey, we're probably going to trade them in matter and I think kind of maybe shorted what they were able to get back form in a way if that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the league-wide you kind of know he was maybe a little disgruntled with what's happened in D&D.
20:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Indie was probably a little disgruntled with how he's been in terms of his ability to transition from a starting role to binge, starting a role to ban chat.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's an ultra talented player.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He just did sit with his face or steam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultra talented score, good player.
21:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's fair.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: By issue with the trade more than anything was just giving up your pick this year.
21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's tough.
21:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think, as I've said, I can see what Richard is thinking, there are four special players
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what I've seen.
21:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get it, but if they ended up with the fifth pick, it's gonna be pretty tough to take.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a very good chance they end up fifth.
21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like 28% chance they end up with the fifth pick where they sit right now.
21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they need to start losing games.
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: They need to like not win against the team.
21:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They just have to be in the bottom three.
21:47
[SPEAKER_01]: They all have the exact same odds now.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're on their way to do.
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And that zoo button isn't going to play for a while.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, top ends up for the year.
21:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're in full tank mode.
21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, last night they forgot to tell Pascal Siocca and Andrew Nimhard and Quentin Jackson that they're tanking.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: But we just say.
22:05
[SPEAKER_00]: just started interrupt.
22:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Andryn import.
22:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I have never seen a player inspired by hate more than Andryn import.
22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he hates the mix.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he hates the thunder.
22:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not just he just plays with his ass on fire.
22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like every time that he matches up with those two teams.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Kneesmith dude.
22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, I'm talking to the people in the front row saying I'm doing it.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing it to you again.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh oh, watch out, Kneesmith, if it hadn't been for that shot, the Hall of Burton hit at the buzzer, the win up in the air, about 25 feet and came down, everyone would remember Kneesmith made six threes in a row and that fourth quarter bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have the core to do it.
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I just not sure it's quite good enough.
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And what the way Zuba's fits in best will is that the salary
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that they're going to keep J-huff.
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they like J-huff a lot.
23:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a guy that's going to work.
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's fun.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's going to be the backup.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He's an improvement over the backup they had last year and the five.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess to me, I still think that there are, I think they might be better next year than they were last year.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the zoo is actually an improvement over Miles Turner.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he had better.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.
23:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He's without question, a better fit than Miles Turner.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And he, Murphy, and half are cheaper combined than Miles Turner.
23:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And Murphy's been fun to kind of watch this year and in terms, but like when next year, they bet everybody back, like he's going to be relegated to that seven-thase guy off the bench again, too.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got some stuff.
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: He's six eight and he averages nine rebounds a game.
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got something will and that's a great for a binge player, but he's not who's he starting over.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to where they know the starting line up will.
24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: The starting line up is set.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Zubat Siyakum, and then hard-neese myth in Haliburton.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing's gonna change.
24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of, I'm just, I'm just talking about Fervey's gonna be a rotation piece, I hope.
24:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I love those guys.
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I do, just wanna find a fun group to watch.
24:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, it's gonna be so much fun, Will.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not sure they're quite good enough.
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they might end up being, by the way, if they get Cameron Booser, that all changes.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they not good enough?
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the only team that's given the Thunder Fits the last two years.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There are teams that have players that can take over games and women yam is the next level guy.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: That Houston teams about to be really, really good.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: That Detroit teams got guys that are just killers and I'm just not sure.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they might be able to get somebody who can challenge some of those big guys and Detroit and Houston and all those places and I'm just not sure.
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It was BAM at a bio if it was somebody like that that I thought was a possibility at one time.
25:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be sure.
25:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm not, but they're better.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
25:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll be better.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're really underestimating just the mentality this
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't just beat teams last year.
25:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they took teams' wills to win.
25:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they killed the Cavs.
25:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They killed the Cleveland Cavaliers franchise.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: They put them right back into a relevancy.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't their souls, man.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: they killed the nicks.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They got time to be defiled because he literally could not coach his team in a way to beat that pacers team.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: The Celtics, what did you hear?
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: The team they didn't want to play was the Pacers.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: They played that pacers team two years ago in the Eastern comments finals and said, we do not want to see that team.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the only team that has
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: they beat them, they were fought, both 500 until game seven.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that there's something with this team, the physicality, they play with, it's no surprise teams get injured when they play them.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't play at the pace.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't play with the physicality, and they don't have the mentality to play with this pace or steam.
26:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They are undoubtedly
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite going into the year next year if everybody's healthy, minus Johnny Furfi who will be back at some point in the regular season.
26:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about the pistons, it's cute.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they're going to have their run of the litter this year with being a top team in the east.
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's because the dad of the east is still waiting to get back up.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun for the sun to play around.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The paces are playing with their food right now.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you're right.
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have my doubt.
27:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.
27:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you don't need to help it.
27:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It will be right.
27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You go back across this podcast network for the last two years.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been doing this.
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: There is not a person that has been more right about this pacers team than myself.
27:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Get Cameron Booser man and this is my team is clearly going to be a guy who's not ready to be a star yet.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the age of 19, there are very few I've seen who are ready for the NBA, like Cameron Boosers.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He's built like a grown-ass man.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He has built like a...
27:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the game.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't grow well, man.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And he makes all the right plays, and he does all, just like the Pacers.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He would fit in so well.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And, yeah, and not only that.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: the other thing is lineage.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: His father was not a very talented player and just worked.
27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And where he's the example I use a guy who if you want, if you want to be great, work like Carlos Booser did.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all you got to do.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got that in him and a special man.
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I, I will go out also and say that I think that when it's all sudden, uncampus or will be better than Cooper Flag was.
28:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the fact that he is not going to be the number one taking this draft class as criminal.
28:23
[SPEAKER_00]: He is without question, the best player in the country when it comes to all facets of the game.
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what the NBA always does, Greg.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: They just missed the talent when it's there in front of them.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna say, oh, we like BYU's.
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we think he's got more upside.
28:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And we like Darren Peterson more because he's got more upside.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you need the bed on the floor and look out the floor no doubt the floor of Cameron Booser is he comes into the NBA next year now We're just 15 a game if he's given good minutes.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He's that good.
28:57
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a three-level score He's physical.
28:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good defender.
29:00
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got great instincts.
29:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a brotherhood lineage I don't I the Pacers having the third pick in the draft
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: would be just I would be smitten Greg I would be every day would be rainbows and sunshine because I know that some teams going to pass up on him he's going to fall to the pacers lap at three and
29:20
[SPEAKER_00]: If he's on the Pacers, they might win 80 games next year.
29:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They might win 80 games.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be that good at my tears.
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your role?
29:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but when mixed in with TJ McConnell and mixed in with Johnny Furfie, with Jaris Walker, with Obi Toppin, with Jay Huff, he'll quit Jackson at this point.
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: When he's mixed in with that group as a supplementary player, come on.
29:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Not fair.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I love you're going to laugh at me, but I love Kayla Wilson's upside and I almost hope that they get the fourth pick, still they end up with Kayla Wilson, because he floats man and he's got really good skills already and he just.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: The I agree, I like those two, though you're my two, I think if you don't take those two at one two, you're fooling yourself, you're just fooling yourself.
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And Peterson might be as skilled as any player since Kobe Bryant as we hear that might be true.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But he definitely doesn't have the will to Kobe Bryant.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: How many times have we heard of looking out town to this.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's just as talented as Kobe.
30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's just as talented as the bra on this guy's this that whatever he wants to be.
30:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Not very often.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Not very often.
30:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But every time I've heard it, it's never been true.
30:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, you're right.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: But just wait, Greg.
30:45
[SPEAKER_01]: One day it will be true.
30:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited pumped up here.
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we painstakingly went through game seven.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole summer.
30:53
[SPEAKER_00]: This NBA season.
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be rewarded at the end of this with a championship.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Biden, my nails.
30:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so excited about this thing, man.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pumped up.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: May 10.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Carl, if you want to use this segment of the podcast is the
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[SPEAKER_00]: material to get your team hyped up.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I can gladly can.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they need to hear that.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: They need to hear that they're there.
31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some fucking dog all that team in that locker room.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to be bargains when they're the leader of the pack.
31:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's back.
31:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Diaries album.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to watch and play basketball again.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: May 10th will.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the date.
31:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the lottery.
31:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've kind of be holding my breath until then.
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: This was fun.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait till our debate podcast.
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be fun.
31:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I love when you tell me how stupid I am.
31:48
[SPEAKER_01]: People are just too nice will.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love that you're, I told everybody at the beginning.
31:54
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think I'm stupid, call me stupid and very few people are taking me up on it.
31:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You and my cuddle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, good.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's good company to keep.
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, dare I say that May 10th is the most important day in franchise history.
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see the fans reactions to the new show.
32:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see how this podcast and networking continues to talk about sports.
32:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just excited to see Tyre's Albert and way basketball again, Greg.
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Ed's.
32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, I stay up at night and I think about how fortunate I was to watch that playoff from last year and how excited I am to watch that again.
32:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Same joining, I spoke to the board as a product of ITG Media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love seas.