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Vick's Flicks, Ep. 176: James Cameron · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: And now, ladies and gentlemen, the Soros Network proudly brings
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  Speaker 1: to you some in depth movie discussion with our resident
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  Speaker 1: film critic, Brandon.
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  Speaker 2: Vic At the evening everyone, the vic Flicks Podcast is here.
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  Speaker 3: big shot himself, Brandon Vick, Brandon, Happy holidays.
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  Speaker 2: Happy holidays.
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  Speaker 3: How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: You know what? Not too bad? Time's just flying by.
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  Speaker 3: You know at this point in the holiday season, we're,
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  Speaker 3: you know, only a couple of weeks out from Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Are you guys still like pumping through Christmas movies at
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  Speaker 3: this point? And has all of the like awards, consideration,
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  Speaker 3: FYC stuff that you guys get. Is it starting to
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  Speaker 3: die down as well? What's your what's your movie schedule?
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  Speaker 3: Your vibes like in mid December as the holiday approaches.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've I've started working on my personal
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  Speaker 2: list that will be out next month on Nashville Movie Dispatch.
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  Speaker 2: And but with that comes the voting part. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of this stuff kind of does happen.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of this month, I would say we
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  Speaker 2: probably have gotten the bulk, if not all, of what
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  Speaker 2: we are gonna get. Yeah, because other bodies have started voting,
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  Speaker 2: I know, like Critics' Choice I think starts voting in
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  Speaker 2: like I think they start voting last month.
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  Speaker 3: One of the first critics associations to announce their award winners,
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  Speaker 3: aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I think it's the opposite. I think we're one
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  Speaker 2: of our because a lot of them are announced in
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  Speaker 2: December and ours get announced in January.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why I was thinking at one point
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  Speaker 3: Nashville was like one of the first ones to do it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's because we're not really considered a
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  Speaker 2: big market, so we get pushed. Like you know how
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  Speaker 2: they used to say January was a dumping ground for movies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's when we announced them.
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  Speaker 3: Cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No, it gives us, I know, for us,
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  Speaker 2: and we're not the only ones that released like Critics
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  Speaker 2: of Critics groups that releases in January. But I think
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  Speaker 2: because of the holidays and a lot of like I know,
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  Speaker 2: depending on what you're in and what you're voting in,
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  Speaker 2: some are getting screeners earlier than like what Nashville, like
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  Speaker 2: Music City film critics, I may not get one until
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  Speaker 2: December when critics choice or you know the New York
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  Speaker 2: they probably got them in November. Yeah, and and and that,
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  Speaker 2: and that kind of goes hand in hand with usually
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  Speaker 2: Music City and Southeastern film critics. It seems to that overlaps.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, by this time when you're talking give or take,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's see, I mean a week or so
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  Speaker 2: before Christmas, we've got we've got everything, and then we
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  Speaker 2: start our voting right before, right before New Year, so
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  Speaker 2: we'll kind of do a vote and we get our nominees.
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  Speaker 2: Then we vote on those nominees, and those winners will
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  Speaker 2: be announced early January.
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  Speaker 3: I I'm stick with the holiday movies all the way
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  Speaker 3: up until Christmas, but I do save like some of
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  Speaker 3: the some of my heavy hitters, my my favorite ones
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  Speaker 3: for right up on Christmas. I love watching the night
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  Speaker 3: before on Christmas Eve if I can. I love watching
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  Speaker 3: the creepy Jim Carrey Christmas Carol close to Christmas stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 2: We've been we've been going strong since November.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, us too. We started let's see, we got back
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  Speaker 3: from Gatlinburg, I think it was November seventh that weekend,
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  Speaker 3: and we put up our Christmas tree and we watched
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  Speaker 3: Jingle All the Way and Nutcracker in the Four Realms
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  Speaker 3: I feature.
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  Speaker 2: I have put on Jingle all the Way. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get to finish it, but I've put on Deck the Halls.
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  Speaker 2: I've put on Christmas with the Cranks. Okay, I've put
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  Speaker 2: on oh gosh. Oh. We actually watched a new Christmas
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  Speaker 2: movie on Netflix that had Alicia Silverstone in it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh what's it called?
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  Speaker 2: Called Mary Little x e X dash m As and
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  Speaker 2: it has Oliver Hudson in it. The thing is, and
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe this is why people like these kinds
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  Speaker 2: of movies, like it's very much like Hallmark. Yeah, is
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  Speaker 2: that the towns they live in and the houses that
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  Speaker 2: they live in are really beautiful. And that's probably and
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  Speaker 2: really decked out. It's a dumb movie, but so is
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  Speaker 2: Deck the Halls and Christmas with the Cranks.
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  Speaker 3: I was about to say it's pretty dumb. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like Christmas with the Cranks. Is much better. I'll say this.
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  Speaker 3: I I don't think Jingle All the Way is a
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  Speaker 3: good movie.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it is.
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  Speaker 2: A No, it's pretty stupid and stilly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of the same thing, like.
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  Speaker 2: It's more of a kid's Christmas movie than for adults.
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  Speaker 2: Really because used to I didn't think that, and I
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  Speaker 2: guess with Arnold. Yeah, but you know what I like
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  Speaker 2: about that is that he the how many toy stores
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  Speaker 2: used to be around, I know, just to go check
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  Speaker 2: I see so. But yeah, And that's the thing. What's
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  Speaker 2: amazing to me is as I've watched these, and obviously
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  Speaker 2: as I've gotten older, I'm like, you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't watch these any other time ever.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean that's kind of what I'm getting at
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  Speaker 3: with this is like you see a larger trend, a
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  Speaker 3: larger theme. Excuse me, thread that's a combination of those
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  Speaker 3: two words. Okay, A common thread through a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Christmas movies is that they're just not really all that good.
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  Speaker 2: No, but if you watch them during this time, the
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  Speaker 2: you're now I do now I have saved. I have
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  Speaker 2: not watched Christmas Vacation yet. I haven't watched Polar Express
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  Speaker 2: yet and I love those, even though my wife thinks it.
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  Speaker 2: Polar Express is one of the creepiest movies, and it's
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  Speaker 2: sort of like that Christmas Carre it's that. But but
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  Speaker 2: I have to always remind my wife that this was
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  Speaker 2: the first time this was done, like Zamechi is, like
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  Speaker 2: this was the first time it was this, and then
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  Speaker 2: Boe Wolf and then Christmas Carol and so but I
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  Speaker 2: love the meaning of the Polar Express. And my son
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  Speaker 2: loves that hot Chocolate song. It comes on on some
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  Speaker 2: kids holiday thing and so we were playing that in November.
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  Speaker 2: I've been watching Grinch movies for half the year, but
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  Speaker 2: his favorite is now the Benedict cumber Batchman.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's my favorite too, and I'm with him
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  Speaker 3: on that, and I so I've watched that at least
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  Speaker 3: four times just within like the past month and a half.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I like the night before and you know
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  Speaker 2: what I was so the drive in up here in
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  Speaker 2: Lebanon Watertown really it's called Stardust drive In. They were
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  Speaker 2: showing office Christmas party. I just bought that on blue
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  Speaker 2: with something else. And then they were also playing like
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  Speaker 2: Running Man, and I think they were doing the two
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  Speaker 2: Wicked Movies on one and but but I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 2: not something you see. First of all, people forget about
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  Speaker 2: Office Christmas Party. It's like Jason Bate has like a
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  Speaker 2: ton of people but Jason. Yeah. And but but the
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  Speaker 2: fact that I was showing the drive in correct Miller TJ.
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  Speaker 2: Miller what the Dead pulling too? And Ryan Reynolds hats
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  Speaker 2: and some yeah. So I but yeah, I I kind
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  Speaker 2: of like my I don't get into I think we've
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  Speaker 2: alread talked about this. I don't like Christmas story, so
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  Speaker 2: I don't look forward to that one. You know what,
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  Speaker 2: when I like that, my wife and I watched it
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  Speaker 2: till ago. Was that eight bit Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen that.
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  Speaker 2: I see it and Steve's in it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I love Steve's on Yeah. I you don't see
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  Speaker 3: Office Christmas Party DVDs and Blu rays too often, or
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  Speaker 3: at least I haven't in my experience, because I keep
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  Speaker 3: a list of like all my Christmas favorites because I
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  Speaker 3: want to own them physically. And I've never been able
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  Speaker 3: to find Office Christmas Party anywhere McKay's even our friends
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  Speaker 3: at danger Zone Video. I haven't seen a copy come
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  Speaker 3: through there of all places. We were on our way
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  Speaker 3: out to Gatlinburg at the beginning of November and we
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  Speaker 3: stopped at a little shop called the Bookseller in Crossville, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 3: and they had a brew ray of Office Christmas party
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, it was five bucks, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I've gotta I've got to have this for
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  Speaker 3: my collection. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So but yeah, no, we we typically we've I don't
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  Speaker 2: know about you guys, but this year we started earlier
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  Speaker 2: than usual.
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  Speaker 3: Us too, Like, yeah, Halloween was over. You have to
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  Speaker 3: blink and the season's gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in January it's almost like you don't
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  Speaker 2: you don't even want to look at it. No, and
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  Speaker 2: I just, uh, we're recording this a little bit earlier.
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  Speaker 2: But our favorite local station is going to start playing
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  Speaker 2: Christmas music on Monday.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: I heard that today. It's not like Friday, I think,
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  Speaker 2: or it starts like Thanksgiving night or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so that's uh, that's something. How about that?
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  Speaker 2: I think everybody's well, I don't know. I guess that's
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  Speaker 2: probably right. It's a few days early, but I guess
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  Speaker 2: I also don't. I don't know. I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: what day it is.
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  Speaker 3: That's been particularly.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I realized.
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  Speaker 3: I'm totally lost. It feels to me like Halloween was yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I feel like we just started fall.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like as far as this is where we sound
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  Speaker 3: like two old.
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  Speaker 2: Men talking, let's go to talk about the weather.
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  Speaker 3: It was so hot so late into the year here Nashville,
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  Speaker 3: that it just I mean it is. It is the
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  Speaker 3: week before Thanksgiving. Just full transparency. Let's just blow the
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  Speaker 3: fourth wall. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Ye, And so everything I said about voting and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: There's still I just I had to mow the yard
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  Speaker 3: last week. There is still green popping up out of
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  Speaker 3: the ground.
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  Speaker 2: I refuse.
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  Speaker 3: I hate it. I hate it.
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  Speaker 2: My dad told me yesterday I needed to and I said, nope.
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  Speaker 2: I was just what's that calendar sale? Man.
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  Speaker 3: I was just up in Pennsylvania and New Jersey and
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: there it's like real fall, real fall where it's like
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  Speaker 3: that's nice, cold as hell. The leaves are there's still
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: a few leaves on the trees, but it's like and
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  Speaker 3: people have to bundle up, people have their Christmas lights out.
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  Speaker 3: It's just I don't know, well up in Wisconsin, but
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  Speaker 3: it's this time of year where I I resent living
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  Speaker 3: in Nashville because I want that.
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  Speaker 2: I do too. I do too, and by the time
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  Speaker 2: we get it, it'll be gone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, we're here to talk about James Cameron ship.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I don't know if Oh my god, he's
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  Speaker 2: been on the line this whole time.
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  Speaker 3: He has been he has been waiting in the green
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  Speaker 3: room this whole time. We're gonna go ahead and bring
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  Speaker 3: him out, right now, come on out, Jim.
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  Speaker 2: That was my James Cameron puppet.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we should have mentioned that. It's not actually
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  Speaker 3: James Cameron. Brandon brought a James Cameron puppet to the
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  Speaker 3: studio and he's going.
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  Speaker 2: To it's James Cameron's head with an Avatar body.
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  Speaker 3: Well. The reason we're talking, my goodness, the reason we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about James Cameron is Avatar. We've got a new
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  Speaker 3: installment of the franchise, Avatar Fire and Ash, dropping any
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  Speaker 3: day now. Just really, I have no fucking clue what
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  Speaker 3: day it is, what day this is going to be real?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you this, December nineteenth is when
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  Speaker 2: it is. Okay, when it comes out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so December nineteenth, Avatar, Fire and Ash will be out.
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  Speaker 3: What do you what's your stance on Christmas movies? Do
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  Speaker 3: you like going to the theater on Christmas Day? I
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  Speaker 3: just did it for the first time last year.
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  Speaker 2: So I used to do it all the time, yea,
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  Speaker 2: with my parents, but I haven't done it in a
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  Speaker 2: very long time because either I've seen them, but now
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  Speaker 2: with with with my son.
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  Speaker 3: You're not like you're not taking your son to see
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  Speaker 3: a complete Unknown on Christmas?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, But I will say there are stuff
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  Speaker 2: where like, if he was older, I would love to
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  Speaker 2: like go see z Utopia too or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, around the holidays, and we might do that
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  Speaker 2: once once he gets a little bigger. I would like,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's just a dad and son thing. If
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  Speaker 2: my wife is like, no, I don't want to, it
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  Speaker 2: might be something I'll try and start when he gets
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  Speaker 2: a little older. But man, there's not even like that
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  Speaker 2: many Christmas movies that are released in theaters anymore.
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  Speaker 3: No, they're not.
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  Speaker 2: It's all it's a streaming thing. But so what does
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  Speaker 2: come out on Christmas? Is it? Really?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that. I guess Avad the New
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  Speaker 2: Avatar could be a family.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna ask, you're gonna take him to see Avatar,
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  Speaker 3: Fire and Ash No.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I would like to see it in three
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  Speaker 2: D because I don't know. There's just something about what
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  Speaker 2: he's able to do with three D that could be cool.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't even know when i'll see it, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest, because I don't. It's also one of those
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  Speaker 2: where I couldn't watch it at home. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: if it, like if it was one of those that
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  Speaker 2: was sent to I don't know, that would be tough.
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  Speaker 2: But because of how long it is, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It is long, is it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's it's like three hours at least?
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  Speaker 3: Right how long was I never saw the Way of Water.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be honest with our listeners right now. I watched
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  Speaker 3: Avatar in two thousand and nine, and I wasn't really
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  Speaker 3: a fan of it. It just didn't hook, So I
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  Speaker 3: never even saw the Way of Water. We also had
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  Speaker 3: to wait thirteen years for the Way of Water to
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  Speaker 3: come out.
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  Speaker 2: Way of Water per Rotten Tomatoes was three hours and
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  Speaker 2: twelve minutes.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: The first Avatar was two hours and forty two minutes.
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  Speaker 3: I remember it being pretty long.
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  Speaker 2: And now here we are, we're back almost the exact
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  Speaker 2: same as Way of water three hours and twelve minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So then there's times like that where I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe sitting at the house is nice.
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  Speaker 3: That would I would, I would have.
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  Speaker 2: But if I'm gonna go see you in three D
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, I should probably go to the theater and I.
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  Speaker 3: Can you can you play three D movies at home?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: I can't, because if so, I'm gonna be over.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I can't.
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  Speaker 3: And we're gonna watch Pagonia in three D.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God, I wish with that sexy bald head of
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  Speaker 2: the masone. But yeah, I mean really, this is one
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  Speaker 2: that you should see in theaters. I feel like James
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  Speaker 2: Cameron was like the like back in the day, like
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  Speaker 2: when we were kids, Like he was Christopher Nolan, Like
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  Speaker 2: when he released a movie, I was gonna say, You're
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  Speaker 2: goin You're you know, oh I should probably.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also like the technical achievements and the very
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  Speaker 3: much like how he's kind of considered on the the
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  Speaker 3: the cutting edge of modern technology at the time. It
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  Speaker 3: does kind of remind me of Christopher Nolan where it
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  Speaker 3: is sort of it's not just the storytelling aspect, though,
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  Speaker 3: I do think I do think Christopher Nolan is a
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  Speaker 3: bit better, better storyteller. But in the regard of technology,
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  Speaker 3: that was kind of the the parallel that I drew
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  Speaker 3: between the two and to me like, okay, I will grant.
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  Speaker 3: I will grant James Cameron this. If you make these
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  Speaker 3: movies that are pretty much tailor made to the theatrical experience,
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  Speaker 3: where it is a marvel to see it on the
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  Speaker 3: biggest screen you can possibly have, then you're not really
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  Speaker 3: doing it justice if you are waiting to see it
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  Speaker 3: at home.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, yes, very fair.
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  Speaker 3: And I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at this before we hit record, and
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: here's talking about how he's pioneering behind practical and digital techniques.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: He said, he's, uh, he's developed new technic technologies like
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the fusion camera system that he used for avatar motion
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: capture for realistic character performance. He combines it with virtual lighting.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I saw a thing where he built a custom built
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: three D camera rig so he could do avatar movies.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Like there's a lot that he waited to do the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: avatar movies, and he built the technology to himself to
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: get him there so he could do it. So a
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: lot of it is obviously based on what he can do.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And I mean that's all the way. I mean T two,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: he was using stuff that no one else and I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: saw where he's he's also, uh, sounds like he's been
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: pretty instrumental in Peter Jackson's we to special effects and
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: then he had one was a co founded digital domain
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, which obviously was put to use with
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: all the T two and avatars and stuff like that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I guess my question, and maybe this is something for later,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: is and I know he's trying to do a movie
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: on something and he basically said it doesn't he doesn't
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: care if it makes any money or not. He just
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: wants to do it. But that's the only thing. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's kind of I can kind of
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: say this about Peter Jackson, is that so much of
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: their lives is dedicated to like kind of this one
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: franchise or this one collective group of films that like,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I know, you don't really get to see them attempt
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: anything else. Or what does a James Cameron film look
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: like now without well all of this stuff, I don't know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: That's one of the things that I wanted to get
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: into because it is really I feel like the conversation
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: about James Cameron is a little more I don't know
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: if shallow is the right word stylistically. I don't know
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: what it is about Cameron's movies that stand out basically
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: from from a style standpoint, Whereas like if you watch
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: a Robert Eggers movie, a Wes Anderson movie, like those
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: have a style all of their own, pta like digging
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: into the storytelling aspect of it. I kind of feel
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: like it's harder to appreciate the things that make James
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Cameron's films unique because it's not something that like the
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: common movie goer really understands or even knows to look for.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: So for me, when I hear James Cameron, I just
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: think box Office. I mean I think Titanic, Avatar, Terminator,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: these like big movies that yeah, like stand as you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: like prominent thing films in film history, prominent franchises in
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: box office history specifically, But like you look at his filmography,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: it's not that extensive and to your point, like, well,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: he's also like a certified oceanographer or something like that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's his life isn't film all the time.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: He's really into the ocean basically, But it feels like
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: his contributions to the industry are beyond just telling good stories.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: If that oh yeah, yeah, I think he's gonna be
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I yes, box office, because I mean, you can't ignore
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the behemoths of Titanic and Avatar were one and two.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one and two worldwide at one point three of
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the top four were James Cameron movies because the sequel
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: The Way of Water for Avatars, and.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, and back in the day, I mean, Titanic
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: was in theaters for like six months.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you don't that's crazy, I'm so.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And the fact that he's still making stuff that comes
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: out in theaters, which I feel like he's probably one
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of those type that like, don't don't put my shit
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: on streaming. Yeah, we ain't doing that. Yeah, but he
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: also can I mean, he's all again, this is the
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: third Avatar movie, and so I mean it's all and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I believe four and five are coming.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: He's doing four, okay, Yeah, I mean what else is
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: he gonna do?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I have. I think he's gonna die making these Avatar movies.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Ycause it was it was oh my gosh, it was
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: twelve years between Titanic and Avatar, and then it was
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: thirteen years between Avatar and the second Avatar.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: But now he's on a roll because I think some
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: of these were filmed like back to back.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would, I would hope. So, I
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: mean I think you have to or else We're like, so,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: you're gonna keep doing this for twenty more years, right, yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Mister, because pretty soon Zowei's sodannash. She's gonna be told
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to swim if you keep doing this, yeah, Sam, Now
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Sam Worthington probably has time.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One, he's not Americ and you know they're built
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: different over there.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: They're built different over there. You're right, what else does
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Sam Worthington do?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly? So I think James Cameron's going to be known more,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I think for all of these kind of technological advances,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and I almost think that's really part of what of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: why his films are the way they are. It's because you're,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: i mean literally, for something like Avatar, you're seeing something
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: for the first time like that, that's been done like that. Yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and that's that's tough to do in this day and age. Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I mean even back what Avatars what two thousand and
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: nine nine, So I mean, you know, wow, that was
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: almost thirty years ago. Twenty twenty nine. That's thirty right.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: No, that's just twenty okay, twenty nine minus nine.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: God, I'm not in numbers. Then is twenty yeah, But
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I mean i'm these at least from what I understand.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know. All due respect to James.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Cannon hold on, and I was saying, yeah, I ain't
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: watching those. I he has talked about handing those over
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and not directing those. But I don't think James Cameron's
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: handing over shit.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I just I want to see him. I want to
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: see him do something like True Lies again.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I do too, and and and I wish and maybe
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: could look it up. There is a movie he's wanted
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: to do that. I said, like, he acts like he
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't care if mix money or not. That's not the point,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: which I guess if you've got these other movies, you
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: can just outright say that and say, yeah, it's probably
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I'll probably lose money. Yeah, but I'll make Avatar four
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and it will.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Be he did. He did True Lies in nineteen ninety four,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: and since then he's directed four movies, Titanic in the
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: three Avatar. Yes, but it's True Lies really stands out
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: in his filmmokracy yes to me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: And I watched for the first time in a and
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: in years and years and years, I actually watched Aliens.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a minute, but I've seen that.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I watched them back to back, and I think it
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: was before. I think I watched it before that show
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: came on. I wanted to watch it because someone said
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it happened in between them or something anyway, and there
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: are signs of that James Cameron there too with some
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of the things, because Aliens Alien with Ridley was like
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: a more of a like a sci fi horror type.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: You can see where the shift is and Aliens where
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: it is kind of more like there's a little more
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: comedy in there, and it's more of the action. Yeah,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and that's in that's sort of what that kind of
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: blends in very nicely to what he ends up doing
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: with True Lies on the action comedy front and being
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: able to kind of you know and we I mean,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And I just watched that for the first time this year,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, in many years. I've watched it again for
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the uh this year and it still holds up. It's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: still funny, the action's great, and I appreciate because I
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: think I don't know if I've said this or not already,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: but I appreciate I just forgot how good Jamie Lee
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Curtis was in it and how much she actually got
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to do. I didn't for some reason. I thought of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Arnold and you know what, she actually does her fair
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: share of stuff in that and you know back then
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: make you know, I mean not that she wasn't known
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: back then, but you know that as an action star
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: when you're next to probably one of the biggest action
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: stars to ever live, I was. I was kind of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: surprised on how that character I came across it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: To me, that movie what makes it such a special
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: film in that era. It's kind of a throwback to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: the way that a movie could be original, its own
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: thing and still make a ton of money. Yeah, Like,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: I just don't feel like you see that too often
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: these days, and that's why it's something. It's refreshing when
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: something like Sinners is a wild success because it's its
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: own thing. It's not based on a comic book, it's
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: not something based on a video game. It's not just,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: you know, like a commercial driven thing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And you're having when you are when you're creating something
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and there's already not a fan base. You got to
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: make one.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's I don't know, man, it just I
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: watched that film and and found myself longing for something
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: like what is that movie of today's time?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, are you talking about Sinners?
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about Yeah, yeah that those are very
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: different movies. Just use that as an example of.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Something a no, no, no, and it's and it's and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you're right, it is. It's a it's a rarity in
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: this day. So it's great when like, well, you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it was you know, some some publication was shitting on
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: it because it needed to make this, this and this,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: even though it already made one hundred and eighty something.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, that's tough. You it's a it's
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: a it's a vampire movie. Yeah, that's also very obviously
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: musically influenced. But that shows the power of something like that,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: which also is a credit and James Cameron in that sense,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: James Cameron's the same way you can show his name
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and people know, people know who it is now I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: remember him, like when I James Cameron is either Titanic
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: or t two for me, Like that's kind of the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: first things. Yeah, people of a certain age. He's only
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Avatar guy, and people probably don't even know that he
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: directed Titanic. Yeah, I mean at this stage, but in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a long time, I haven't either. But it's feel like
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: one of the like I should own it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like film, but I.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Don't think i'd ever watch it again. Yeah, but even that,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: like there's a story obviously the story there the but
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the size of that movie, but also again the effects
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: used to show that sinking alone. Yeah is I mean
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: that's when we thought Billy's Aine was going to be
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a star.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I don't even know who Billy's Aine is.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: He is Kate Winslet's dick head husband boyfriend.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: He was also the Phantom.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, Well who says he didn't become a star?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Touche?
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: Did you see Cameron's first directorial feature, Piranha to the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Spawning No, I never saw that. The Terminator in nineteen
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: eighty four, Revolutionary, Yes, but I don't know.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Did he direct the first one?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and then Aliens in eighty six, the Abyss
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: in eighty nine. The Abyss is the one we were
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: talking about beforehand.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Neither one of us, I think I don't think so.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen pieces of it, but I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: really I couldn't sit here and tell you I actually
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: sat down and watched it. I would I would like
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to revisit that one, or visit it for the first time.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Terminator two Judgment Day in nineteen ninety one, one
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of the best sequels of all time. Oh yeah, I
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: mean I I saw this. Of course I was a kid.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Did you see the original Terminator?
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I've seen it, but only recently. Okay, I've seen Judgment
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Day right before you. I watched it as a kid
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and was like, this is the coolest I do.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And you know what, I wish I could really remember
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I have. I have seen the Terminator, but as a kid.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I saw it before I saw
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Tea two or not. I feel like I've something in
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: my memory tells me I watched Terminator later after realizing
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that that was a sequel. Even though you you could
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: watch T two and it could be really its own thing. Yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, besides the introduction of who Arnold's character is,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: it's kind of its own thing with Yeah, that's where
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Lynda Hamilton all them kind of you know, they they
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: really get it going.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what like I, like I said, I never
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: realized I never saw the original until I mean I'm
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: talking like maybe last summer, the summer before last was
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: the first time I ever saw the original Terminator. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: probably watched Judgment Day a million times as a kid,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: which I mean we were five years old when that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Movie was Yeah, I was yeah, yeah.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: So I just remember, like my dad loving those movies.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: And honestly, I might have seen The Terminator and had
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: no idea because I was so young. Which was the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: first and which was the second? But yeah, and then
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I only saw True Lies recently, and then you have Titanic,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you have the Avatar movies. It's really kind of a
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: short filmography. What do you remember about Titanic. I know
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: it might be difficult since we haven't watched it recently,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: but I do remember it being I remember more about
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the sort of campaign it had than the movie itself,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: because I do remember it being just a cultural phenomenon
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: taking the country by storm, the run at the box office,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: everybody having that like two tape set of v.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: I remember the vhs we did have that, Yeah, And I.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Just remember keep in mind nineteen ninety seven. I'm eleven
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: years old. I remember seeing boobs in it and being
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: like the drawing, Yeah, the drawing, Oh man, I'm this
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: is this is scandalous.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I just I remember that. I remember. I remember like
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: just the size of that ship and it shows it
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: that iceberg. Like I just remember, not so much, like
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: even though I do remember like where it starts to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: go down in the lights on the boat and it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: starting to point to the sky, like to watch that
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and it looks like I'm like, it's real. But the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: box office, yes, I remember. I want to say, it's
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the first time where I knew people were going to
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: see it more than once or twice. People were actually
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: going now like I think it's the first time in
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: my young life where people were actually going to see
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the same movie over and over and over again. I
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: think I saw it twice. I think, really yeah, because
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: it was one where like I think I went with
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: my parents and then like I remember some cousins or
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: something and like we went so so yeah. I do
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: remember that, And I remember the Seleine Dion song. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: feel like that played all day every day.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: We forget. Do you did you dig into any of
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Cameron's documentary's he's done. He's directed a couple of documentaries.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But then I think I've seen there's there's some ghosts
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of is it ghosts of the Abyss?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Ghosts of the Abyss?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I may have made that up? Is there something? Because
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: you know him and Bill Paxton did a documentary I
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: think after the Titanic, because Bill Pax obviously was in
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: the Titanic.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Ghosts of the Abyss.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think I may have seen that one,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: or maybe I just heard about it, But that's the
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: only one that's looked familiar.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: He's done a lot of stuff about the deep Sea, yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: and a lot of stuff about Titanic making movies. Oh, okay,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and Titanic too. Yeah. There's quite a bit of stuff
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: on here. So it's not like, you know, he's only
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: doing these films, but these feature films, because it's like
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: I said, to have a career that spans at this point,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: eighty two was his first directed feature film, So that's.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: What like, we're thirty years over over forty years.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: At this point. To only have ten movies, it's kind
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: of staggering. But then you start looking into the stuff
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: the other stuff that he did. We talked about the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: technical advances he's put forth in the movie industry, like
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: the man's a legend. I'm not doubting that. I'm just
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: saying I have not. I have not really expanded my
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: intake of James Cameron's work beyond his feature films. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: was curious if you had or not.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. If maybe the Ghost of the Abyss,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: but like I said, I haven't even seen the Abyss.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, But the thing is, it's like, how can you,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: in his own words, be King of the World after
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Titanic and you wait that long and your next movie
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: ends up beating Titanic to become number one?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: How about why? Ye?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I mean you know, but yeah, I mean he I mean,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: there's got I know, there's probably countless interviews now where
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: he talked about where put a lot of his own
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: money into it and he basically had to wait for
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the technology to catch up before he could do Avatar.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: But then when Avatar came out, which I mean, of
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: course exploded and ended up getting the Best Picture nomination.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: And I think he was nominated because that's the year
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: he lost to his ex wife Catherine Bigelow and the
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: hurt Locker ooh yeah and uh and I don't know
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: how long they had already been separated. It could have
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: been years and years, but then there was things Where
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: is it? I don't want to mess this up, but
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: basically the story of Avatar is almost identical to Fantasia
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: or or is it Ferngalie or Pocahontas. There is something
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: where they like they said, like with the Trap, like
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: they they did all these comparisons and it was there
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: was almost identical as far as like the overall story
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and themes of it. Let me see, we can keep going.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I just want to talk about some of his
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: projects that he was in discussions with about getting done
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and didn't. He was going to produce a film adaptation
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: of the X Men comic book series in the early
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: nineties and had penciled in Bob Hoskins to star as Wolverine. Yes,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: how about that. Obviously that would not come to fruition
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: until two thousand, with Brian Singer taking on the X
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Men property. He tried to get in on Jurassic Park
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: and did not. There was he had a version of
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Terminator three that never got made. He had discussions with
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: stan Lee about doing Spider Man, which would have been interesting.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: That would have been interesting.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So he wanted to direct a reboot of Planet
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: of the Apes in nineteen eighty six. Tim Burton got
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: him and that didn't have Yeah, the reboot was released
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, directed by Tim Burton. Dungeons
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: and Dragons, something that he's wanted to get done. There
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: was a sequel to True Lies that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Was a I've wondered about that, that was in the
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: work at some point.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Alien five.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: They just think about, like, if this man wasn't so
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: obsessed with the ocean, what he could have made, What he.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Could have done, Yeah, said these billion dollar movies.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: He does have three Oscars, all for the same year,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: all for Titanic. Titanic won Best Picture that year, he
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: won Best Director. Titanic won Best Film Editing as well.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: But outside of that, you know, few nominations for Avatar.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: One nomination for Avatar The Way of Water, and that's
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: that's been it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I have a film this will probably follow suit. So
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: two things to update our listeners. One is, apparently James
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Cameron has said he unless he is no longer on
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: this Earth, he is going to direct Avatar four and five. Also,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I feel stupid because I don't even know the comparisons
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you can make with Avatar, because I just remember what
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Fantasim from Goalie works.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, that's a weird concern. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: was right.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Pocahontas and Atlantis the Lost Empire. The Avatar movie has
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: been compared to those two and say that they are
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: a lot alike. So I was trying to find there
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: is something else that James Cameron wants to do that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I think takes it back to sort not like a
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: true lies. But it's not a big budget thing unless
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: he puts his own money into it. But I was
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: just gonna try and find that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Well, we're we're ready to wrap it up, buddy, Okay,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: all right, well we might we might just have to
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: let it go unless you just want to sit here
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: in silence while you search this. Well, can we I
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: mean we can. I don't know how many of our
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: listeners are gonna stick around, but so let.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Me let me let me see this here, James Cameron
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: reveals the colossal challenges of his upcoming Ghosts of Hiroshima film.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Ghost of Hiroshima.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: This might be.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: He's quoted on here this is discussingfilm dot net. This
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: might be the most challenging film I ever make. I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: don't one hundred percent have my strategy fully in place
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: right now. For how I want to see it, for
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: how I want to shield people from the horror but
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: still be honest. Also for how I can find some
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: kind of poetry, beauty or spiritual epiphany in it somehow,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: which I know must be there. So he said, so
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: it's going to be very challenging. I might not even
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: be up to the task, but that never stopped me before.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I do think he I think, and I mean in
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: many ways, and obviously from the films we've talked about
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: to his box office power, he does seem arrogant, seems
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: like a man when he's the king of the world.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking he like it's like, yeah, that's.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Am I mistaken? Or does he have a reputation for
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: being kind of abrasive?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he's. I think he's yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and I think some mould say he's kind of, you know,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: could be a brat sometimes about little even like a.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Little prickly Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard that. I didn't
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: want to bring it up since he's sitting in the green.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want it. Yeah you can ask the puppet.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: And now we're going to bring him on out to
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: finish this podcast, right, Yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That was a boom Hower. That was weird. That was
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: That was James Cameron Avatar. But yeah, he's a he's
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: an interesting dude, and I I don't and I think
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Titanic and especially probably the first Avatar will go down
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: or probably have gone down in cinema history. I'm like you,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I would like to see him do something else, but
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: also just kind of like, I mean, like I just
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: read that quote, like challenge himself in new ways because
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: he knows as crazy as all these Avatar movies are
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and no one else could probably do them. He he
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: knows how to do it, so does he can he
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: go back and kind of strip it down a bit
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and kind of get back to even just like the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Aliens and T two of It and even those back
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: then were big deals. There weren't no indie James Cameron
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: hasn't done indie filmmaking, Okay, so yeah maybe he should so,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: but but yeah, I'm exactly just get that. Steven Sodaberg
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Blood in his veins, that man don't stop. But yeah,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I am. I mean you can't help it. Admire and
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: be impressed by what he's been pep to do though,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: because that his mind is unlike anything else. And if
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: you don't, if you don't believe that, then watch these
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: films we've talked about and you can see the just
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the progression, but just the way he has literally and
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: physically changed how movies can be made. Yeah, that's I mean,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: who even if your movies didn't make a billion dollars,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: that's something that will be used in the advancement of
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: all of it is going to I mean, that's a
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: legacy to hang your hat on, much less the billions
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you've made.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Do you have Do you have a favorite film of his?
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know, like it's difficult to do amount
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Rushmore when he's done, well, that's not fair. Directed ten features.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: One of them was in eighty two was a horror
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: B movie looking thing. Three of them are Avatar movies.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Right, so it's really between Titanic, Yeah, guitars.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And it's pretty easy to come up to the mountains there.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I would say True Lies.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Is my favorite of all, I think mine And even
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: though the two biggest ones are great films in their
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: in their own way. I think I have enjoyed Tea
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: two the most. Yeah, I think it's just something I
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: still think about that it's still cool and like you're
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: talking about, when it comes to any kind of sequel,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: on any list, this is always up at the top
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: because it's such an advancement in everything, not just technical stuff,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: but in everything, and it's still it's still so fucking cool.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: It is, man, it is.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: That's hard to believe it was done in ninety one.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I always think, I think, I always think that was
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: made in mid nineties, but actually that it was true
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: lies that was made in mid nineties, and he kicked
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: off the nineties basically. So yeah, T two I think
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: is still my favorite. And I think that's kind of
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: what gets me to say, before he retires, gives it
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: up or whatever dies, I want to see him kind
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: of come up with a new version of something like
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that that's not your budget, isn't hundreds of millions of dollars? Yeah,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: but time will tell, because he's got to do two
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: more avatars and that Hiroshima one, which doesn't sound like
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it's gonna happen anytime soon.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: So well, that's gonna do it for us here on
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the Vick Flicks Podcast on Nashville Movie Dispatch. I hope
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: you've enjoyed sitting and reliving the filmography of James Cameron
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: and James Cameron. We've really disrespected James on this podcast.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: We have talked about a puppet. Oh we did good,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: called him a prick, but he.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Could agree with all that. Let's ask his puppet, okay.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: But there's no denying the man's impact on cinema history
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and what's left to come, Well, we'll stay tuned. That's
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: gonna do it for us this year. Happy holidays, everybody,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: hope you get some time to enjoy some time off,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: prop your feet up a little bit, spend time with
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: your loved ones. All that. We will be back in
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the new year for another episode of the Vicks Flicks Podcast.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: But for now, he's Brandon, I'm stony, and until next time,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: you stay classy moviegoers.