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Kent Hovind Friend Paul Hansen interview | Mark Stoney and Adam Lore | Chris Jones Sex Offender Missing Child · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Alright, hey everybody, how's it going?
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So we're here live with Paul, John Hanson.
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He was a former legal advisor for Kent hovind.
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He as far as I understand, saw Christopher Jones in bed with
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Zaire. We're also here with Mark Stony
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on camera. Who is what do you want to say?
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Mark, is a former employee of Kent on his ministry?
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Campsite? Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say
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I was an employee. I never took a paycheck.
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Worker a volunteer. Volunteer worker, right?
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Right. All right.
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So Paul, how are you doing? Good good.
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Would you like to introduce yourself or anything?
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Or is there anything we'd like the audience to know about kind
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of you or sort of? Yeah, I might almost I'm almost
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64 and pretty much retired and I actually went down to help.
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Can't, I started helping Kent hovind in close to 2008 with
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legal matters. Showed him how He could easily
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win his case with the IRS. He ignored me and took advice of
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the attorneys and the attorney sold him out.
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He lost his case. That's how I got affiliated with
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can't and I don't I do very little with Ken's Ministry now
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but I'm a I'm a legal, I'm primarily a legal research.
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Or I write briefs for basically constitutional limitations for
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people all Across the Nation on the internet and I just charged
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35 to 70 dollars an hour for my Versus and I'm mostly retired.
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So I only do that about two or three hours a day, okay?
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And so, you know that's about it, like I'm really not to focus
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on Kent hovind. I'm very interested in Zaire,
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who's gone missing, Christopher Jones, The Predator and details
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pertaining to that which can't has connections to.
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But my main focus is Christopher, Jones Zaire.
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And where is I hear? What happened you?
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So you are a You were there when Christopher Jones was there in
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bed was iron use so you witnessed that right?
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Yeah I completely objected Chris Jones is a predator.
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I studied his case he was charged with a whole bunch of
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stuff. The the police gathered, the
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information together. The judge actually said that
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this information was coached and vast, majority of his charges
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were were not proven in court and the I didn't find him guilty
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on it and he was charged. He was ultimately charged with,
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actually a no touching issues and let the the lightest you can
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ever get in Most states. It's not even going to.
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It's not even prosecutable. And and I believe that he was
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essentially framed into the situation.
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He was placed into some high-level investigators went in
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that. I respect greatly and
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Investigated the case and they said yeah you're just being set
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up, they need a person to prosecute.
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You're going to be the guy that they're going to do it too.
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But okay. Well what about year you
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witnessed Chris as far as evidence is I hear going
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missing. There's no evidence as I you're
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missing just because he left dinosaur Adventure Land and has
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chosen not to come on the air and talk about anything.
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That doesn't mean he's missing but he has, I hear Chris Jones.
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I'm friends with Chris Jones because he is a person that did
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great things for people. All that he's not allowed to
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talk about and he's he risked his life and I consider him a
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hero. A lot of his material is out
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there but not under his name. Exposing basically, the
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Illuminati type class sex ring and things like that and Satan
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worship, things like that. But so I became friends through
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that and and he contacted me years ago, and he wanted to
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understand how maybe I could help.
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Him overthrow his case because it had a lot of errors and I
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truly agree with him on that. But so we became friends and he
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he loves the Lord. He, he's a dear friend of mine.
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I just in greatly. Enjoy fellowshipping with him.
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He did some stupid things in the past should have never he had a,
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he had a he was he had friends neighbors that he would watch
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the kids for and two of the kids were Not a problem kids.
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And another kid was a Down syndrome.
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No, no, I don't think it was down syndrome physically.
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Yeah. Yeah, he's autistic and one day,
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that one day they went swimming and they took the autistic kids
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clothes away from him and he ran around the swimming pool naked
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trying to get his clothes back and Chris found out about it and
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he just tried to be creative and try to teach these guys a lesson
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and try to make this autistic kid feel a little bit better.
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So he started a strip poker game and he made sure that the
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autistic kid one and the, the other kids never did stripped
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down. They got just got down to their
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underwear and he said, he's been with these kids for like six or
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seven years. Since they're a little kids are
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running around the house, naked all the time anyway, which he
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always told the parents. I like I wish they wouldn't do
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that. When I'm here.
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But anyway, he so he just made the autistic kid feel like, you
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know, he was In the game and he was trying to teach them a
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lesson. That see it's not no fun to be
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in a group of people and have your clothes off and but they
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were down to their underwear and socks I believe and the game was
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over and nothing, nothing ever came of it.
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But anyway, the police came around because well they were
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investigating another case you really say nothing of it.
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Okay. Yeah.
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But you can't say nothing came of it because the conviction
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did. But anyway, go ahead and weigh.
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Not nothing. You came of that with anybody
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involved. And with the parents and stuff.
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And so the one of these kids either a neighbor kid or one of
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these kids, He molested a neighbor kid and they went in
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and talked to him and we'll get a stick, lie and say he can you
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clarify what you just said? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know
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his name, but you're not talking ways it, you're not talking
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about Chris know it. Can you do not Chris?
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Can you just restart that sentence?
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Because I didn't miss, I missed what you said.
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He what one, what? One of the neighbor kids there
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was evidence that he must had one of the one of the kids
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somebody in the neighborhood, molested kid.
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So they started talking to these kids and they said, you know,
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anything about anything and one of the kids mentioned, the strip
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poker game. So they got hot on the trail and
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they basically the kids actually talk to Chris.
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I was told that they talked to Chris and the police coach them
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to say various things. So they could prosecute Chris
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which would say found out later wasn't even Through and.
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But anyway, they ended up prosecute and Chris and they
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like I said, they got the lightest charge, you could
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possibly get. And now he hopes to go.
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He'd like to have these kids come forward and say that how
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the police actually coached them to say what they said because
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they actually changed their stories and number of times and
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the police record of these Conversations.
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They have with these kids. You can see that they were the
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stories were changed. Completely is just almost
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reversed, and Paul. So he's here.
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He's trying to get the, he's trying to get these kids to come
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forward. Now, being much, much older to,
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to actually confess to, you know, what, the police did to
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them, but go ahead, Mark. Yeah, I just had a quick
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question. Is there a link or somewhere?
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We can look at this evidence, because this is stuff.
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I've never heard of, I've never heard of the kids coming.
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And changing their testimony as far as my research into Chris
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Jones. Has concluded that he did have
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an appeal and it wasn't even based on that.
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There was no denial of guilt even in the appeal.
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It was just hey this this process was mishandled and
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whether that was reason to deny you don't there's appeal isn't a
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denial of heal is to just look at the facts and he was trying
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to prove that there's not enough facts.
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And there was due process violations to complete the
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Court's Jurisdiction. Well, the appeals court depth on
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that. There were no procedural errors,
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everything was done in proper format and everything.
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And I disagree, if if okay, it's okay, you know, I just disagree
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on that because the police are not allowed to see.
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He was Chris was not allowed to enter the evidence that all
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these police took all these interviews and there that shows
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the content conflicting testimonies of these children
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Young People and that's evidence of, right?
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That's enough evidence right there to throw the case out, but
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the right would not allow it to go before the jury.
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I think it would be important to be able to review.
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You know, that testimony those documents.
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But uh, you know, I think you mentioned something about only
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having an hour before and you said something along the lines
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of Chris has done many stupid things in his past, and I think
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this interview is going to be more geared towards what
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happened in November of 2009. 18.
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I've got are actually happening so I can go see.
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I can go straight. I can go straight into that now.
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Okay, so I'll let you have them take over from here and I've got
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the text message on the screen here.
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So I appreciate Paul. I appreciate you Givin the
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background and everything but you had my primary focus is a
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lot of people, whether you agree field, that Zaire is missing.
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Yeah. And we just is there any
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evidence you can provide of any way to contact his family?
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A last name, any photographs of Zaire, Real name of Zaire is
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even his real name. The only thing I've seen is the
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November 25th, 2019 short clip on Kent's Channel, where he kind
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of has. He comes on camera, is there
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anything you can provide to substantiate your claim that
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there's nothing wrong here? Except you got a person that was
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that's a felon that is, in the, in the in the all these mediums
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And there's a picture of the boy, and you're telling me that
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nobody is called the police. And nobody's asked to search
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this down hunt this down, they know where Chris, they don't
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know where Chris lives. I certainly, I think it's I
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think it's certainly I think it's silly to think that the
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police haven't already resolved. It, this is a rabbit Trail.
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Well, one of the issues that Paul and Adam brought it up is,
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nobody knows if that's the boy's real name and last name.
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Contact information, and that's kind of the hang-up for the
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police as well. Also Paul well, I haven't but
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you got to remember, I've told many people that I seen this, I
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gave the guy a right on my scooter, I was up there when he
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all this happened and not one place.
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What? Not one police officer has
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called me. So I tells me that they're that
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they're not investigating, that's that's not a problem to
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them. Okay?
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There are audio recordings of people trying when Chris Jones
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was there. There's audio recordings of
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people on the staff attempting to contact zaire's.
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Parents and they were unable to. No, no.
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Why do you think that is? The reason, the reason it is
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they don't want to be contacted. Everyone, that, that is falling.
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This on online have seen no evidence whatsoever.
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That zaire's parents were ever contacted.
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And for some reason, you're claiming that Mark, didn't pause
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say that he no keep, you know, can't can't can't.
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Can't says Kant. Says, he talked to his mom.
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Yeah, we don't believe Ken. We want evidence.
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Not claims by the people that are complicit.
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Yeah, Kent is a proven wire over and over well and can is
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complicit in, okay. Those are the ones that are
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accused of being involved with this.
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We want evidence outside of give you can, I wouldn't, I wouldn't
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if if this if my son went camping with Chris and this
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thing blew up like this, I wouldn't tell you.
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I wouldn't give you my name, either.
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You don't have a good one. Somebody going to my son's.
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It wouldn't want my son going to high school and somebody says,
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Jimmy, where are you? In school with the convicted sex
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offender. For, I mean what were you in bed
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with the convicted sex? Very, I wouldn't.
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I wouldn't want my son to go through that when I very well
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knew that my son knew that his known this guy for six or seven
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years, he's babysitting him for thousands of hours.
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Possibly there was no problem at all.
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I wouldn't want my son to be exposed to that Paul.
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Let me, let me respond to that and I don't mean any offense
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when I say this but you're not a father, you don't have any troll
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children. So I don't think you can.
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Equals any level of authority on what you would do in that
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situation. But also it's kind of a moot
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point because the facts of the case are in the Public's eye.
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The last time Zaire was seen was on Kent hovind's YouTube
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channel. I know that Julie has come out
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and provided testimony. That she saw Chris leaving would
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sire, but other than that that's it.
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That's the end of the road. That's the end of story and it's
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a great concern. That's a lot.
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Just It's all, it's all people are entitled to Chris didn't
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break any laws by going down there.
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I disagree with them, against a lot of people investigated there
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was. There was no, I haven't seen any
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evidence that Chris is in violation of any all I'd like.
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You look at it, it's actually a felony.
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I think it's a Class E felony, in Alabama, for a registered
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sex, offender to sleep, under the same roof, without any kind
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of supervision it is. Class E felony.
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So, Chris could be looking at felony charges there.
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And Kent hovind could also be looking at conspiracy because so
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we well, Kent Kent didn't have anything to do with this.
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Yeah, yeah, please. But got remember, Ken didn't
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have anything to do with this. He was staying with me at the
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place. I was staying at okay, well, go
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ahead. Can't did arrange to put them in
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the house with one bedroom, right?
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No, I did that. Oh your Arrangement house is
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under might mention that how This is under my control.
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So Zaire was found in both Christopher Jones on the 23rd of
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November and then they left on the 27th of November.
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So where did Zaire sleep? Those other nights?
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Okay. Cindy Barra house and they were
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refinishing the floors. So they're already little
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Sundays in the house. There was a Cindy, didn't buy
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the house until December of that year.
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The house was still in me is named it hadn't been purchased
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Kent hovind. Okay?
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But let the house, but the house was, if I was there, if I was
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there, there was very little Furniture in the house and you
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were a nobody, no. I mean, when I should say when I
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was there, there was the owner of the house wasn't Been there.
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Mia Voss. Oh yeah.
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Any of us? Yeah, that's right.
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Because the house was under his, where was I you're sleeping the
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other nights that he was visiting dinosaur Adventure
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Land. Where did he sleep?
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Those other nights? I believe the, I believe Chris
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always stayed at that at that house.
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And I would assume the first night that he was staying.
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There is a night that he got scared and went in, and he asked
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It got up probably 10 or 11 o'clock at night went into
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Chris's room and said this is what Chris told me.
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I was I had I just bought a new fold out pup tent that sets off
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the ground and I was testing it out.
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I was I was just parked right out front of the door.
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I had an RV there too which is right right beside it too.
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And anyway so I went in and we went in and I said okay here's
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here's here's a place for us. I hear there's a couch looks
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like he's big enough for him. I think I pointed to the couch.
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There might have been a another mattress in another room but I'm
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not for sure. Definitely was a couch there and
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then I said Chris okay here's a here's a room in the back kind
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of like a master room and mattress on the floor.
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I said okay this will do and I didn't think much of it.
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I figured Chris sleep in the back.
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And is there would sleep on the couch and, and then Chris said
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that Late night, fire came in says, this is that here was
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always used to sleeping with his family.
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And he came in, he says, I'm scared.
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I'm not, you know, this house has Gary, and I just never slept
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in a room by myself. Can I come in with you?
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And, and Chris is yeah. So the queen-size bed, just like
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a camping, situation Zaire had all his clothes on and he laid
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right down beside him. This is assumed what I assume
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happen that I never seen Zaire. Even take a tennis shoes off, if
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I remember, right? You always just laid around the
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house with this. All those clothes on just fine
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with me, when you're camping, but camping out of somebody's
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house. And then, so Chris said that he
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called his mom. Now, there's only way that Chris
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could call his mom is with a cellphone.
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So, all those conversations are on the cell phone, the
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government has got that if it ever went to court.
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Tapes could be brought out and you could listen to the
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conversation or Chris would have to admit that.
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Okay? You didn't call anybody.
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But anyway, so so anyway. So I got Zahir rigged up on the
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bed and I got Chris in the bedroom.
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I probably gave him some blankets out of the RV.
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It was in the summer, so they didn't need much.
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I don't know if you're running the air conditioner but poem and
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then I went out I went to Go ahead.
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I got a point, something out real quick.
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You're saying that well can't especially as saying that the
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mother was called and was given permission to stay in bed with
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with Chris. But in the text messages between
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you and I when I asked, you know, where's the boy going to
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be staying your response was I'll trust that he has his own
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bed tonight because I walk into the house unannounced
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occasionally. Now, why would you trust He had
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his own bed, if his mother had granted permission to be in the
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bed with Chris Jones, why would it be a problem?
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I don't know the bed that wasn't, that wasn't granted
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until way late. I've already gone to bed and no,
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this is the next day. This is after the fact Well, I
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guarantee you that after I seen Chris, as I hear in that bed
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that under my supervision Xavier, never was in that same
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bedroom. Was Chris again, where did Zaire
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sleep after that? Paul They only throw them on the
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couch when I said it. So what did you do?
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I would only assume on again. What did you guys do?
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What, where did what a ramage you arranged for where they were
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sleeping? Where I guarantee that I was not
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her, did cite your sleep after that?
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They'll listen to me. Let's not tight.
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Listen, listen to me. I guarantee you that I was not
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going to allow any boy to sleep in Chris's bedroom.
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Well, call authentically. I think it's a fair question.
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I think it's a fair question. And I'm answering the question.
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Well, how did this happen? I can't remember, I can't
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remember his eye, or stayed two nights or four nights, I can't
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remember, but I know that one night.
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I went in the door was open. I said Chris what is that here
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doing in the bedroom he's got his own place to sleep out here.
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So Paul you know that as Robert Beatty points out that was not
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in the summer. This was Thanksgiving weekend.
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Yes, was November 24th so It's summertime down in Alabama year
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round. No.
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Okay, but anyway, sure. Anyway, so I, as far as I would
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assume that Contra first night you can't remember.
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No, I can't assume no. Yeah.
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Well, convenient. Okay.
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So, but so Chris. Chris was never at that cabin,
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never. Those guys were never at the
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cabin by themselves. I was always there.
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We were hanging out together all the time.
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How can you see what's on the screen?
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I have a, I have a PDF of our text messages from that time.
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And this was after you had already told me that you found
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them in bed. You said it was really dumb and
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unspeakable all that. So sure, I'm sitting.
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I'm sitting there just fuming over this and I don't know what
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to do because can't had told everybody to not say anything
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about it or you're gone. Well, your response to me, was
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I'll Trust, which is consistent with what you're saying now
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saying, you'll assume. But you said, I'll trust that he
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has his own bed tonight and this is the night after you walked in
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and then you said, because I walk into the house unannounced,
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occasionally. So when Adam asked, where is I
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hear the rest of the time? They're I think it's the A
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question. Yeah, I made sure that as I
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hear, I made sure that Zaire was not with Chris.
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So where did he sleep? That was he sleeping with you on
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the couch? Was he sleeping?
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No. No.
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Was he sleeping? Not so but was never with me on
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the couch, I assume. Because I think that was the
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only other place you could sleep.
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There's no, I assume. Where did you make?
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Sure he slept, why was Christopher Jones allowed to
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stay there? Did not sleep with Chris, but we
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did not sleep with Chris. Where did He sleep.
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He might, he might have slept on the bathtub.
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He might have slept in his sink. I guarantee that I don't
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remember. Listen, it was on the couch.
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Yeah. Okay, that will go with that.
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You can't. All I know is all.
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I know it was not in the master bedroom, where Chris had his
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bedroom. Okay, all I know.
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Is it wasn't there? Okay, so in my watch.
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All right, I want to go back to night night night.
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I went, I went in numerous times, we were I go in to use
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the bathroom. There was no, there was no
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cover-up, Chris agreed with me. Yeah, that wasn't the smart
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thing to do, but Paul that doesn't make sense.
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When the story is coming from Kent and then Chris and you
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saying that he called his mom and said it was fine.
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I went to Kent the next day. No, I went to you.
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The very next day and said, you know, this is, this is a really
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stupid thing that Chris did last night.
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Very next day I called you, I believe.
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Does that make sense? Texted me chronologically.
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Looking at the text message, you sent me the next day, I was mad,
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I go, I was mad and I made, I was gonna make sure this didn't
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happen again because this is stupid.
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What did your? You don't sure that it didn't
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happen again. Paul, I was there all the time.
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I was going in and out of the house all the time.
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Okay so I want to point something out is that can't hope
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I wasn't because I wasn't concerned that something was
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going wrong. I was concerned that we didn't
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want an appearance of anything going wrong because I talked to
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Zaire. Probably 15 minutes or half an
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hour after Chris. And I noticed that he was in the
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bed. The first time, you know, Chris
24:21
Chris is laying on his side desires, laying on his side just
24:24
like you just like any other any other people would go camping
24:28
together. Not not a problem at all.
24:31
The big problem is Chris. You've got this thing over.
24:34
You, you got this Cloud over you.
24:36
What is he doing in your room at all?
24:40
This is really stupid. So, I talked to Chris I talked
24:44
to his lawyer after that visited with him, he didn't have a hint
24:49
of an issue, a hint of an issue and I Supply that sure I taught
24:53
her. I'm Paul, I'm sure I talk, just
24:56
let me finish. Then you can tell me what you've
25:00
heard, okay? Please spend.
25:01
I didn't notice, I didn't, I didn't notice any blinking of
25:04
eyes, any body language. Nothing, not even a hint of a
25:09
problem but I'm sure I'm sure I told them both.
25:13
Zaire, you got to stay, you got to sleep out on the couch or
25:17
wherever the other mattress was. I don't remember.
25:19
I don't have that greater memory on this stuff.
25:21
I didn't think I had to remember and Chris, you know, you we've
25:25
already talked Chris, you know what I'm not going to allow.
25:29
Okay, go ahead. Okay, so marks testimony is
25:33
that, you told actually, I think this is March says money, right?
25:36
Correct me if I'm wrong Mark. Yeah, go ahead Zaire and Chris
25:39
were found in bed together. In their underwear wrestling.
25:43
Chris had his hands on Zaire and Zaire was scared.
25:47
No, and no, so that Christopher Jones had an erection no, nope.
25:54
Somebody had a dream that never came out of my thoughts ever,
25:58
Mark, can you can never not Wants what Paul told you that is
26:02
my recollection. Yes.
26:04
And that, you know that Mark, you claim that Paul had told
26:08
another person this same story. Correct?
26:11
Yes. This version of The Story.
26:13
So Paul, can you please respond to that?
26:15
Because a lot. I mean that's and I had a dream
26:18
about it. Either has a later date it up
26:21
and said there was shorts. It was gym shorts, instead of
26:24
underwear. Yeah, yeah, I still absolutely
26:27
remember seeing Chris first, three steps out of the bedroom.
26:31
He had, he had he had shorts on that looked like, Underwear.
26:35
First glance just like I have on right knee, right now, right
26:39
now, but I found out later when I went and talked to Chris, he
26:43
showed me what he was wearing and it looked exactly like I
26:47
seen him walk out of the bedroom.
26:48
I go. Okay, those are, those are
26:50
shorts that you normally wear. Yes.
26:52
And I do remember having that conversation.
26:54
So at first, you did think it was underwear and later you.
26:57
I've never I've never told anybody I guarantee you.
27:01
I guarantee That if I seen anything that looked like a
27:07
pencil or a screwdriver, I do pocket.
27:09
It look like an erection. I would remember it because that
27:12
would just be cemented in my mind and there was nothing like
27:15
that. Someday were not, there was no,
27:18
there was no wrestling in the bedroom that wrestling occurred
27:23
in the living room. When I look through the window
27:27
and they were just wrestling on the floor and I turn it.
27:30
Chris, I said, I said Chris, you don't, you know, don't you got
27:33
this sex? Hangover.
27:34
Yeah, you don't wrestle. I said, I don't care if the kid
27:37
wants the rest or not, you just don't do that, that's stupid.
27:41
So don't do that. Chris it, okay, okay.
27:46
And okay, I thought I thought it was really, I thought it was
27:48
really stupid for a man has been convicted of any sex crime.
27:52
I don't care if it's taking a piss behind a tree, you know,
27:54
you can in Nebraska, you can get a sex crime for taking a piss
27:57
behind a tree and be a sex person record dress your life.
28:02
But and if that's the case, you never wrestle with a kid the
28:06
rest of your life, it's just that something that you just
28:09
don't do anymore because that's on your record.
28:12
Okay, what I told Chris. A matter of stupid.
28:14
It's a matter of the safety of these children as well.
28:17
I think we're concerned about well anyway, the clip I want it.
28:21
There's nothing, there's nothing wrong with Chris wrestling.
28:24
There's nothing wrong with Chris rassling.
28:26
That boy until I said that it was listen to me.
28:30
All right, there's nothing wrong with Chris rustling, that boy
28:32
and till there's a sex charge hanging over, and there is a
28:36
real, then then it's completely off-limits for in there.
28:39
So, that was the case. Yeah, so I want to play this
28:42
clip. This is from the recording that
28:45
you took Paul of the meeting the day after I left.
28:48
And I think I've got it queued up where it needs to be.
28:51
I'm gonna have to mute my mic, so we don't get any feedback.
28:53
So I'm just gonna let this play. It has nothing in it but a
28:57
mattress on the floor and I'm I don't know table or something.
29:00
Not unfurnished apps. Chris and Paul and this boys, I
29:19
are they say the night? In the middle of the night Zaire
29:33
was he came to get baptized and did and had a wonderful time of
29:36
Darkness Adventureland. So Paul is sleeping in his
29:38
little camper outside. The doors are open, nothing's
29:41
hidden or closed. I think I didn't hurt your
29:43
secret. So when Zaire got scared and
29:47
said, came in and said, Chris, can I stay with you?
29:49
Is that Chris said, let me call your mom, he knows the family.
29:52
Well, Mom, is it okay? If Sawyer stays with sleeps with
29:54
me, oh yes, please do. He gets scared, easy.
29:57
So they both lay down fully clothed opposite sides of a
29:59
queen size mattress. Paul comes in the next morning.
30:01
There they are still on opposite sides of the mattress clipping,
30:05
and they're closed door. Wide, open end of story.
30:08
Why on Earth would Mark or whoever doing it?
30:10
Start these crazy lies about is his mind for the pellet is that
30:15
what's running through his mind all the time.
31:00
I'm pretty sure I did. And I told I said no more of
31:04
that. Oh, I remember
31:47
Yeah, I know. But Don't get close to that
31:57
fire. But another to two things to
31:59
consider that's Chris is decision.
32:01
And the kids decision how people here react to that is their
32:04
decision. Okay, well, he's got a right to
32:06
wrestle with the kid if he wants and you got to write this, I'm
32:09
not getting around Chris, I horse around with the kids.
32:16
But anyway, Yeah.
32:32
Some of that was a little edited but it's that that was only at
32:36
the very very end kind of repeating.
32:38
We can't head said so yeah you got it.
32:41
You got it. You got to remember when I said
32:44
they were wrestling. I was in the mindset that I was
32:47
going to get a finished finished my conversation.
32:51
That at one time I seen him wrestling told Chris.
32:55
I don't like that. I can't.
32:58
I can't remember if that was before the incident or after I
33:01
would assume it's before but I'm not sure sure in that room, I'm
33:05
almost positive it was before because I think I would have
33:08
been even more mad if if Chris was in the bed and then found
33:14
wrestling later on because Chris, I chewed him out.
33:17
Good, you know, So I looked through I went into the house
33:23
and he just looked through the windows, there's no curtains on
33:25
the windows and I think the place is just under construction
33:28
pretty much and just see right in and Chris is on the Christian
33:33
is the kid. We're on the, on the on the
33:35
middle of the living room, I think there's a big throw rug
33:39
and just just wrestling around not nothing.
33:41
Nothing cuddly or anything just grabbing each other's wrist
33:44
pushing each other down and just like I've done with my dad and
33:48
my My brother's thousand times and my cousins and my not my
33:55
uncle's, but I can say that buddy.
33:57
But anybody from outside of your family and if I did with my
34:02
outside of my fund, it wouldn't have been a problem.
34:06
You know, the exact form of their little, their body, and
34:09
all that, not a problem at all. Let's be honest here.
34:12
Now, you're not a tier 3 registered sex offender and a
34:16
Christian, you know, I know. And that's why that's why I
34:19
immediately went to Christmas said, Chris, you can't wrestle.
34:23
You can't wrestle a boy. You have this Cloud over you.
34:26
That is really stupid. Don't do that.
34:29
He shouldn't need to be told that he shouldn't need to be
34:32
told that. Remember, I remember I told you
34:35
about 15 minutes ago and Chris has done some really stupid
34:37
things. That's what I'm referring to.
34:39
That's right. Yeah, this is absolutely one of
34:41
the stupidest things I could imagine.
34:43
Yeah. It's the last thing that she
34:44
should be doing and I think it was stupid for him to travel
34:48
with the young boy. I think that's stupid anyway.
34:53
Okay, so then the rest and not just stupid, it's illegal.
34:58
It's a Class E felony. I'd like to see that that
35:03
information. But anyway, you might be right.
35:06
It might. Yeah, sure.
35:08
Tto our did a show the other day, I'm sure.
35:11
Adam could link it in the description here for everybody
35:13
to see. But yeah, he walks through the,
35:16
the actual statutes and the Alabama state code and it is a
35:20
Class E felony. What happened that night for
35:23
sure. Yeah.
35:25
But class class C is pretty pretty light.
35:29
No big deal it's it's just a felony.
35:32
Yeah no big deal. I don't have any felonies.
35:33
Well I mean I'm not bragging. I have been arrested several
35:36
times but it is it's actually a classy.
35:40
It's a Class C that can carry a year in jail.
35:43
Yeah there's prison time associated with it for sure.
35:46
Okay. Okay well that's not so white
35:48
then no no you don't take it back.
35:55
Okay, so then the the other event completely separate from
35:58
the wrestling is the bedroom event, okay?
36:02
It doesn't seem to be. It doesn't seem to be that, but
36:05
it doesn't seem to remember. You got to remember that.
36:09
I, when I started answering that question, I was going, I was
36:13
communicating the things that I was disturbed about and one of
36:17
them was a wrestling in the living room completely different
36:20
time frame. Might be full of our heart.
36:23
Let's backtrack 24. The part and then the bedroom
36:26
scene. Let's backtrack just a little
36:28
hairball because anyway that that is absolutely what
36:33
occurred, all right? There's no reason for me to make
36:36
up any story about that. That is absolutely what occurred
36:39
Paul. Can you refresh my memory
36:41
earlier? Did you say that you're a legal
36:43
advisor for Christopher Jones? Chris, Chris came to me to have
36:51
Kent probably told him that he pulled knows quite a bit about
36:54
common law and due process and stuff come down here and visit
36:59
with Paul. He's a good guy and I think
37:02
that's how Chris came to me. And just just started talking to
37:04
me about his case because he's this, this is pretty much
37:07
ruined. Chris is life.
37:11
And I don't believe Chris did anything that warranted criminal
37:18
conviction. I think it's a complete sham.
37:23
But you just agreed to what he did in November of 2019 was a
37:28
felony and it's more shushan originally thought.
37:31
So there's one thing but they're really reprimanded him.
37:35
I want doing these things. I want to go back to the video.
37:39
I've got it pulled up here and this is, yeah, asking you a
37:42
question and it's not a general question of.
37:45
What did You observe during their stay?
37:47
It's one. Yes.
37:49
As I was wondering if it is true or not.
37:51
Did you see? Chris in bed with a kid and I'm
37:54
just going to play this real quick.
37:57
Okay. So the question wasn't, did you
38:31
see them? What did You observe them doing?
38:33
In general, it was Did you see them in bed?
38:37
And your response was? I saw them wrestling.
38:40
Yeah. It might have been that my my
38:42
thoughts were a little cloud and I was communicating both events
38:46
and I should have been very clear about one.
38:48
What happened in the living room and the other happened in the
38:52
bedroom. I have no doubt that one was in
38:54
the living room. One was in the bedroom.
38:58
He was not wrestling. No kitty was not touching.
39:00
No kid in the bedroom there. I've never had a word of
39:03
erection. I've never had a word of anybody
39:05
touching anybody in the bedroom. I've never had a word that Chris
39:12
Was in any other clothes than what he would normally walk
39:15
around the camp in or go to Walmart in.
39:19
I had, I never had a word about Zaire had any clothing, missing.
39:25
He might have had his shoes off, but he had his socks in his
39:28
pants and a shirt on. Every time I ever seen him, I
39:33
imagine he took a shower there, imagining unclothed, then, but I
39:36
wasn't in the bathroom washing him then, but anybody that's
39:40
saying that I seen it. Erection, or I seen him without
39:44
any clothes is completely lying or they had a, they had a dream
39:48
and they they're getting a dream mixed up with the facts.
39:50
I can't tell if a person is lying.
39:54
All right. Hey, Paul can we?
39:56
So let's talk about a timeline here, is it your understanding
39:59
that the night that you saw them in bed together?
40:02
That that was the first night that they stayed there that
40:04
would have been November 23rd from looking at some texts and
40:07
things. I really, I really don't know.
40:10
You don't recall. Okay?
40:11
So they were there from. We know that there was the 23rd,
40:14
the 24th 25th, the 26th, and the 27th the day of the 27th is when
40:21
he left, I don't even know if that's AI.
40:23
Don't even know if that's True. I don't know what that was based
40:25
on. We we can prove that with marks
40:28
text messages that when you texted him on the 24th and told
40:32
him about last night that would have indicated.
40:34
Okay. Okay.
40:36
And you mess. It's very, it's very, it's very
40:38
probable. Yeah.
40:39
No it's not probable. It's proven with evidence.
40:42
It's proved it's a no I'm just saying I'm just saying that I
40:45
don't remember. He in my memory.
40:47
It could be two days. It could be four days.
40:49
I just don't know, but it's good.
40:50
That we, I didn't hide any texts from anybody.
40:53
Yeah, I can be fine. Days at least and less.
40:56
Okay? There before the 23rd was it
40:59
that would have been four nights and five days.
41:03
If they probably according to the okay, Italy.
41:05
And and then we don't know that twenty.
41:07
The 23rd was the first night, but it's that seems to be the
41:11
first night. Is that your recollection?
41:13
Is that the first night Chris was?
41:14
There you saw him wrastlin and sleeping together.
41:18
Oh, oh, I have no idea. It could have been the fourth
41:22
night that they were wrestling and then Couldn't have been.
41:26
I don't know, I don't know in my memory.
41:28
I'm just I'm just saying it's impossible for me to remember
41:31
that. I just know that I seen him
41:33
wrestling and I talked to Chris about it.
41:36
And then and then I also I believe that the bedroom thing
41:40
was after which I've already I would assume that I've already
41:45
talked to you about wrestling. What the hell are you doing with
41:47
a boy in your room? Okay?
41:49
So what I was trying to do is by the 27th, they're leaving, we
41:54
don't have any evidence, the whereabouts of Zhou, GE GE but
41:59
anything that happened after Auto Show Sorry about that.
42:04
So, Paul we're wondering. Okay, so on the 27th, he leaves.
42:10
We don't have any kind of evidence of what happened is.
42:13
I after that, did you, did you see, Christopher Jones?
42:15
Leave would say here, if that is his real name actually?
42:18
Paul also, can you answer it? Is it your understanding that
42:20
Zaire is his actual legal birth name?
42:25
That's what I called him. No, I don't know.
42:26
It's okay. I called him and he seemed to
42:28
respond to it perfectly fine. That's what you called him.
42:33
Why would I call him any other name than what does I asked him?
42:36
What's your name is things? I hear that name because it's a
42:39
pedophile ring and you guys are lying and kidnapping kids and
42:43
raping them and stuff. What are you talking about?
42:48
I don't think it's fair to say you guys because that kind of
42:51
paints a broad picture and I couldn't personally.
42:53
Do you talking about? What are you talking about, sir?
42:55
I can hear I'm here good. Will tell you the truth and let
42:59
me finish. I can't talk anymore.
43:02
I'm not going to talk anymore. This is this is insane.
43:06
This is ridiculous. You told me this is this is
43:08
going to be a fair interview. You can't accuse me of something
43:10
that trash like that. That's just ridiculous.
43:12
You're not here. Not worthy to be.
43:14
Let me. Let me see.
43:16
Let me take a look. Take it back.
43:18
Take that back and explain why you just said that I do?
43:21
Think it's unfair. No.
43:22
No I'm not asking you for sure, Scott.
43:25
Mark I'm not asking you that other man needs explain why he
43:30
just said, what he said, what was it?
43:32
That I said that, you know, why did he say that?
43:34
What is it that you want me to take back Paul?
43:36
I think it was. What are you talking about?
43:37
Some sex ring is some made-up name.
43:39
So people, what are you talking about?
43:41
Zaire's some sex name in a made-up name, what are you
43:44
talking about? So that's what a lot of.
43:46
Of Witnesses. Are suspecting, is that this is
43:48
a sex trafficking, ring a pedophile ring.
43:51
What do you what are you talking about?
43:52
Where does that come out of the? Where does that come out of any
43:54
evidence? That's crazy.
43:57
What? Well, there's how many
43:59
pedophiles are involved with this.
44:02
None. Zero.
44:05
Okay. So you don't think that
44:06
Christopher Jones is a pedophile.
44:08
Know what about breaking based on what I've seen.
44:12
What about Brady? Probably, I don't even hardly
44:18
know anything about Brady. It sounds like it.
44:21
If, if Brady son what is my affiliation with Brady?
44:26
I have no feelings when they're greedy.
44:28
Well, both you and Brady have told me that you were working on
44:32
Chris Jones has case and and independently I didn't each
44:37
other work with I didn't work with Brady on.
44:39
No no. Chris.
44:39
I'm saying it was his Gall independently of each other.
44:43
What do I got? What do I got to do with?
44:45
Brady, Brady shows, up on Camp, paints some buildings and now
44:48
I'm now I'm tired. Brady is this insane or what?
44:52
Well, well, let me explain. So, I'm sorry.
44:59
Take a breath, let's go about 30 seconds from ending this
45:02
conversation because it's Kangaroo Court.
45:04
That's football. That's what's going to happen
45:05
here. Paul, before you go, there's
45:07
another incident with a child that was abducted and abuse.
45:12
And I never, I never heard. I never heard a thing about that
45:15
until yesterday or today. That's the first time, I heard,
45:18
that's the first word I've ever heard.
45:20
About that so I have no comment on that at all, right.
45:22
And then one thing else I wanted to ask you about there are human
45:25
remains children's clothing that were found where Chris was
45:30
sleeping. Oh yeah yeah yeah.
45:31
Oh yeah. Okay so Chris so Chris is going
45:33
to come on the are some kids going to show up get baptized
45:36
and Chris is going to go oh where should I bury him?
45:38
And this is I got to cover this up.
45:40
Let's just I got to get rid of a body here.
45:42
What am I gonna do? Yeah, let's put it here.
45:44
They won't, they won't look here.
45:46
Oh my gosh, is this? This is such insane.
45:49
This is Insane. It is pretty insane.
45:52
Like, I want it is pretty insane, never almost.
45:54
Like, I think I might actually literally vomit from this.
45:56
There is no evidence, there is no evidence and no child bones
46:00
out, they're not. So it is reported.
46:02
There's first there's eyewitness first-hand accounts that okay
46:05
show me the police report. Well, what were the police
46:08
report? He like $100 to get it.
46:10
So but we're working on that. So we will have that one.
46:13
Okay. We can file for thinking, think
46:15
about it, think about it. Okay.
46:17
Yeah, I'm going to bury a body right here.
46:19
Yeah. Yeah.
46:20
Oh my gosh. Well, there were clothing.
46:23
Found there was, what was claimed to be a human femur
46:25
bone? Yeah, claims claims probably cow
46:29
bone Mark. Can you help me here?
46:31
There was a suitcase found something.
46:33
Okay, so by sending Lincoln described it as some very
46:38
disturbing things that were reported to the sheriff.
46:41
This was also investigated by the FBI, people were stopped at
46:45
the airport and questioned about shipping containers and dead
46:49
bodies. It's very very serious.
46:54
Yeah, only back that little place.
46:58
I was staying on. I doubt it.
47:03
So as far as the human remains and all that to me, that's all
47:08
hearsay. I haven't seen any evidence of
47:10
it. I haven't, I can't speak on
47:13
that. So but I do know that that
47:16
testimony is out there and and I am aware of people being being
47:20
questioned. And Paul.
47:22
So Mark you received a letter or sorry, an email or a text
47:26
message from Steve saying, you guys need to look into Paul and
47:30
Christopher Jones riding on a four-wheeler with a little boy.
47:34
Yeah, Steve sent that in Steve's a liar.
47:36
Let me, let me preface that with the fact that Steve is a known
47:42
liar, like big time, he even admits that, he sent me a
47:45
message. Once he said it's okay to lie to
47:47
protect the ministry so just just to preface that.
47:52
Let me see if I can find that email.
47:54
What is wrong with me and Chris being on a four-wheeler with it
47:58
with the Zaire. What's wrong with that?
48:00
Well, there is this you can you can get four people on that
48:03
thing easily. Hang on, that doesn't have
48:05
anything to do with this idea here was it's over that you're
48:07
on a four-wheeler with who were you on a four-wheeler with?
48:12
I suppose I've given I think I've given marks child or right
48:18
on a four-wheeler with Chris given Zaire, right?
48:22
Under four wheeler, I think that's the only two that I can
48:25
think of but I there's probably others.
48:28
So, do you want to resist pretty common?
48:30
Do you want to respond to Steve's accusations?
48:33
They were saying in regards to the Ukrainian boy.
48:34
That was abducted. You guys need to look into Paul
48:37
and Chris riding on that. Four-wheeler do you want to
48:39
respond to that to what Steve accused you of?
48:42
I don't even I have no idea what I've never even heard of a
48:46
Ukraine boy. Ever before until oh, you didn't
48:51
wanna meet text it to me. Oh, so you go ahead.
48:57
Okay. You want me to remember if some
48:59
boy was Ukraine, six years ago, when I, when I go on to that
49:03
land and every time I go on that land or somebody from a foreign
49:06
country, they're all right. I've pulled up the Enoch.
49:10
This is from Steve and I don't even know if you were a part of
49:13
this exchange well yet maybe. So yeah.
49:16
There you are anyway. Eve rights.
49:19
I'll throw one at you. The very first boot camp.
49:22
I and another witness saw Paul Hanson and Chris Jones Drive off
49:26
into the North Woods at Dal with a young boy from a family that
49:30
was visiting all on the same four wheeler, what were you
49:34
doing, Paul? Because the other witness who
49:37
saw it, ask me the very same question.
49:39
I did not know what to say. I shook it off, I thought no way
49:42
could something bad be happening.
49:44
It is always hard on me, Mark, there's many people that drive
49:48
those dreams. Girls all the time.
49:51
That's why we have four wheelers.
49:53
So why we have four wheelers? So we can drive those trails
49:56
with our friends and young children at enjoyed the trip.
49:59
So he didn't go back there and grape, anybody come on, look
50:02
look, Steve's him, email. And again, this is Steve and I
50:06
preface this whole thing with Steve's, a known liar, he
50:09
finished the email saying, I think Paul Hanson is a little
50:12
more than meets the eye. So I hear what you're saying.
50:16
You didn't have anything to do with that, but It does kind of
50:20
raise another question. I have how far back does your
50:24
relationship with Chris Jones go?
50:28
I would assume I don't really know.
50:39
I don't think I would assume cancer one introduced us, okay?
50:44
And I didn't really get to know Kent very much.
50:46
I never. I've never the first time I was
50:48
at dinosaur Adventure Land was 2016.
50:51
I think, yeah, that was the first time Chris Jones was at
50:55
dinosaur Adventure Land as well. Yeah.
50:58
And that's right here that the Eucharist is probably Christmas.
51:00
Probably there. The same time I was and we just
51:03
we just started visiting I've dealt in dealt with several sex.
51:11
I've dealt with several crimes, sex, crimes.
51:14
I'll bet you have. Some of them are.
51:15
I've been some of our very, very lame.
51:20
If you get charged with a sex crime, you're guilty in the eyes
51:25
of the public. It doesn't make if you didn't do
51:26
anything or not. So it's it's pretty.
51:31
It's a crazy world being accused by that.
51:33
Yeah, I recall Paul. I recall a case you were telling
51:39
me about About where your client was caught with pornography and
51:42
you're able to get him off on jurisdictional arguments.
51:46
Could you elaborate on that? Yeah, they the government only
51:51
has jurisdiction to prosecute certain cases.
51:57
The guy paid me and I showed him the case law and he presented it
52:01
to the court and they dismiss the case.
52:04
But he was guilty, throwing with that.
52:05
What's wrong with that? No, it's the wrong jurisdiction.
52:09
The other jurisdiction needed to take it over and they wouldn't
52:12
do it. Regardless of jurisdictional
52:14
issues was what he did wrong. No, it was the wrong
52:20
jurisdiction. Okay.
52:27
Mark, what's the on video? Yeah, this is a screenshot of
52:33
September 22nd. This is 2016.
52:36
Here's Chris Jones. And I believe this is just the
52:39
day before. Kent hovind and Mary Tocco were
52:42
married. So we're Paul, were you at can't
52:47
and Mary's wedding? I never did.
52:49
I never did see Mary cocoa. That was 2016.
52:53
Yeah, that was 2016 so I wasn't I probably wasn't it. until 2018
52:58
then because okay Mary told Mary Tocco, probably probably I
53:06
wasn't there for his marriage to Cindy either, right?
53:11
So if you weren't there until 2018, that that would clear you
53:16
of Steve's accusation, okay? That's Orion saying, you have a
53:20
chance of that. We'd love to see it and we would
53:22
make it. Yeah, I'm almost positive.
53:25
I'm almost positive that I would, if can't was going to
53:29
marry Cindy. I'm almost positive that I would
53:31
not attend the funeral, the wedding, because I don't agree
53:35
with that. Well, Buddy attended their
53:36
wedding because they eloped everybody at Camp had told them,
53:39
don't do this weight, you know, give it six months at least and
53:44
can't didn't want to hear that. So he took Cindy and when I do
53:49
tampon, I don't know. And came back member that drama
53:51
because I would have had a council meeting with Canton
53:54
said, no, your you do not do not marry.
53:58
This girl biblically is not allowed.
54:00
Yeah. And I don't remember doing that.
54:02
I know you had their that time because I had not met You yet.
54:06
But I had heard of you, I had heard of Paul Hanson, a lot
54:08
about you. But anyway, nothing.
54:11
Bad at that time, you know, Kent loved you.
54:14
I don't know how he feels about you now, but he spoke very
54:17
highly and I we get along. Well, he still calls me up for
54:24
legal needs. Occasionally my opinion, I
54:27
would, I would recommend completely breaking fellowship
54:30
with him until he repents. That'd be my suggestion for you
54:33
both. But regardless, I'm a Over to a
54:36
yeah I'm just saying that. I there's not much there
54:39
anymore. Okay, I told I told Kat this is
54:42
why I told can't. I said, can't you need to leave
54:44
your wife that you present a very with the city so that
54:48
pretty much I'm pretty strong. I'm probably one of the
54:50
strongest lines if anybody out there on that thing supporting
54:53
since yeah, I would, I would agree with that.
54:55
You you've gone to bat for sending many times.
54:59
I have one more one more thing I want to clarify.
55:02
And then I'm probably going to step out of here because I'm, I
55:05
want to spend some Some time with my daughter, it's kind of
55:07
our first day of summer break, but one of the issues that can't
55:13
brought up when I first started trying to find Zaire and I was
55:18
asking in the group text messages as a trustee, I would
55:22
like to, you know, have them or a better answer than.
55:27
Oh, I just called his mom. He's fine.
55:29
And and that prompted a whole lot of dissent or not really
55:33
descent, but a whole lot of controversy.
55:36
And those text messages, but can't insisted.
55:41
That I was never a part of that CSE trust, which we signed
55:47
paperwork, and the way I see it. Now, the trust is non-existent,
55:53
as far as that's concerned. But at the time we did sign
55:57
paperwork, can't you can't and yourself witnessed and signed
56:01
and I was on that trust. Yeah, yeah, so I would agree
56:05
with That okay. That's not why I told it.
56:12
I talked I talked to Chris recently, I think it was a week
56:15
ago. I said, Chris get it, get it,
56:20
get it, get it person to go over there and get sire on the
56:26
camera. Zaire doesn't have to know you
56:28
have the camera on your. I don't think it would be wise
56:31
to send Chris over there. I think that would be a mistake.
56:33
No, I said Chris send somebody over there.
56:36
Well, I don't think it would be wise thing.
56:38
Involve Chris at all. Go ahead.
56:40
Paul. Please anyway.
56:41
Okay. Anyway, Chris, you know where
56:45
the guy lives? He lives.
56:46
Pretty close to where you live now.
56:48
I understand. I don't know, for sure.
56:50
It's, you know, might be 10 miles away or something.
56:52
But anyway, driving distance, I would assume.
56:55
I don't think Chris is moves since then.
56:58
But anyway, he might, he might live in another state, but I
57:00
don't know for sure. But anyway, Chris send somebody
57:03
over there and when one's iar's bowling or playing video games.
57:08
In the arcade or whatever, just walk up and talk to him and hold
57:12
a newspaper up while you're talking to him and get it on the
57:14
film at the same time. So we know the date and and
57:17
we're good. I said, get that back.
57:20
Get that to us and he said, yeah, I'm going to try.
57:22
I'm gonna try to do that. I'm going to have somebody try
57:24
to do that and because he said that in no way right now, does
57:30
zaire's Mom want to talk to anybody?
57:32
Because she's she says, it's just this, is this son?
57:36
Her son went down there to get baptized And go to a Christian
57:39
Ministry and they just turned this thing into a nasty mud ball
57:43
and she doesn't sick to her stomach about it.
57:47
What else is Irish lad? Crest name?
57:49
To what desires moms? Like, I don't even know that I
57:52
never, okay, I never I never got her first name and ever got her
57:56
last name. They never got anything other
57:58
than Zaire from Zaire ever spoke with her.
58:00
So no, no, I never have he never never tried or anything like
58:07
that ever. No, I didn't have no reason to.
58:13
I was satisfied with talking as I hear that.
58:15
Now you talk to zaire's know what, there was no issue there.
58:19
Did you talk to the here 15 minutes after I chewed Chris out
58:24
for being in the same bedroom with him?
58:26
But have you talked to his other half an hour and since they left
58:30
on his sword villain? And I think that's the issue.
58:32
I haven't talked as I hear, I haven't talked as I hear since
58:35
he left Camp. No, did he left?
58:38
He gave me a hug. And, and that's about it.
58:41
He was just perfectly normal so you're not on.
58:43
Did can't talk desires mother? I heard a, I'm pretty sure I
58:51
heard a video where these are her video or Chris told me that
58:55
can't talk to sires Mom, if not both, so they, but I know, I
59:00
know Chris, I know. Chris told me that I know, Chris
59:03
told me. Well, anyway, if if Kent talk
59:06
desire, it's going to be by cell phone, the government still has
59:10
it would be stupid to make that story up because it would be
59:14
easily disproved. You know, every since 9/11,
59:21
every phone every phone call on a cell phones government still
59:25
has the recording. None of that disappears.
59:28
Yeah, that's got nothing to do with this.
59:31
No, I'm just saying that. If Kent Kent, all Kent's
59:34
conversations are recorded and all Chris conversations are
59:37
recorded. All my conversations are
59:39
recorded since the 9/11. Yeah, but that's not necessarily
59:42
available without very high-level clearances, and I'm
59:46
just saying it's and whatnot. I'm just saying if there was a
59:48
full pledge, vest investigation that's the first thing, the FBI
59:51
would look at and to my knowledge, it's actually illegal
59:55
to use that in a criminal proceeding.
59:59
And there is no instigation is the understanding at this point,
1:00:02
but Paulie. So yes, to emphasize you said
1:00:04
that, you urged Christopher Jones to get someone to just get
1:00:09
some video or pictures with the hold up a newspaper and show
1:00:12
evidence that he really is there, is that, would you say
1:00:15
that? That's what you just said.
1:00:16
Yeah. And and and when Chris started
1:00:18
getting a little resistant about him, I said, Chris, come on,
1:00:21
this is not a big thing to do, I don't and he says, I don't want
1:00:26
to, I don't want it. I don't want to dig sire into
1:00:28
this anymore. I see. this is a wonderful way
1:00:30
to To get people off my back. I said I said marks, Tony told
1:00:36
me that if he can see that, he would just back off the plate
1:00:38
and I think I think Mark would well.
1:00:42
Brett can also do things to have some kind of evidence like that
1:00:45
for him to come on camera with a witness or anything like that.
1:00:48
A lot of people in the online sphere have been making that
1:00:51
request and you're saying are you saying here that you spoke
1:00:55
specifically with Christopher Jones about this?
1:00:58
And he told, you know, I don't want to do that or your
1:01:00
understanding is that he Try to actually finally do this.
1:01:05
No, he gave me the impression that he was going to, he's going
1:01:09
to. It was going to try to get
1:01:10
somebody to do that. Try to get a friend in that area
1:01:12
to just meet Chris. I mean meet Zaire on when he's
1:01:16
walking to school or something, just walk up and say hi, hold
1:01:19
the newspaper up and you're done. 30 seconds.
1:01:22
You're done 15 seconds. You know.
1:01:26
That's a beauty. That's the beauty of a camera.
1:01:29
Get evidence for opacity done that.
1:01:31
It's been Requested for a long time.
1:01:34
I don't know, I don't know. I don't think you can just park
1:01:39
out in front of zaire's house and expect him to come out.
1:01:44
I don't know, I don't know what the situation, but people have
1:01:48
the phone number people can call the parents people can range
1:01:50
like this. Yeah, you told me progress is
1:01:57
Chris isn't. Chris is asked asked her to
1:02:00
allow him to give his not her number.
1:02:02
I'll she said no. She don't even want to talk to
1:02:05
Chris anymore. Why is that?
1:02:11
Because this is her son went down to a Christian Camp to get
1:02:15
baptized and closer to the Lord turned into a muddy mess.
1:02:19
She's just like really ticked off about it.
1:02:22
What specifically she ticked off about Christopher Jones,
1:02:25
sleeping with him wrestling. With the close up with in the
1:02:30
underwear. What specifically interested in
1:02:32
ever wrestled in underwear. Sorry mixes.
1:02:37
And in bed in the Underwood. No isn't there?
1:02:41
Nobody's it was in bed in underwear.
1:02:44
Yeah that was so what what are the parents upset about?
1:02:52
If if I same reason any other parent would be, they don't want
1:02:56
their son to be. Asked in high school.
1:03:00
Why were you in the same bed with a guy that has a sex
1:03:05
record. Nobody wants to get ten miles of
1:03:09
that. You don't want to go through his
1:03:12
whole life explaining like all the people that done there was
1:03:15
nothing, they did get within 10 miles of that, no, didn't they?
1:03:20
Nobody wants to get you guys are being able is going calling him
1:03:24
a hero. You said, you wish that your
1:03:26
hero, Chris Jones would come live.
1:03:28
And I can't, I can't make Chris go down there and get this guy
1:03:31
on recording. I have no way of contacting
1:03:34
Chris's mom. I have no way of contacting
1:03:37
Zaire. It's out of my hands.
1:03:40
Yeah, you do. I mean if you're claiming you're
1:03:42
talking to Chris Jones the other day, just I told Chris the other
1:03:45
day. Get that recording.
1:03:46
It's the best thing to do right now.
1:03:48
I disagree with you. Completely.
1:03:51
What about care? Any reason?
1:03:52
What? About urchin.
1:03:53
Kent hovind to do something. Like, you know, there was a
1:03:55
little bit of an online campaign.
1:03:57
Hey, we want some evidence as I year and it this was one of the
1:04:01
main sources was on God's world. I suppose I never thought about
1:04:05
it. I think Chris is I think Chris
1:04:07
is talking. Cann about it?
1:04:08
I don't know, I don't know. I could do that next time.
1:04:11
I talk to Ken, I'll try to remember to do that.
1:04:13
I'll say, actually that way, I'll text can't right now and
1:04:17
tell him that it would be good to get.
1:04:19
Zaire on that would be forwarding to do that with the
1:04:23
newspaper. Now, if you can't might see
1:04:25
this, would you, is there anything you'd like to say to
1:04:27
can't about this to urge him? Like, we just want to know that
1:04:29
zaire's. Okay.
1:04:30
We want to know that he's safe. He's not, he hasn't been
1:04:33
murdered. He has can't, can't can't, I
1:04:36
think can't would agree that. That would be, that would be,
1:04:39
that wouldn't be violating violating desires privacy to do
1:04:43
that. I mean, it bring it, be it,
1:04:45
bring it. Bring it close to everything
1:04:47
that would be a wonderful thing. Well, I wouldn't bring a close.
1:04:49
Everything he still raped him and was in bed with the
1:04:52
underwear and stuff, but there's no evidence of rape.
1:04:57
Well, find there's no evidence with Chris touch finding
1:05:01
someone. And what are you talking about?
1:05:02
I think he's talking about, this was a collection of a camping
1:05:05
trip. Hang on.
1:05:06
I don't need anything that I wipe my sex predator in bed with
1:05:10
a little boy, in his underwear rep, quote-unquote wrestling
1:05:14
with and what the direction, and the boys scared that is evidence
1:05:17
of a rape. Well, then erection, that's a
1:05:20
complete lie. That's a complete lie.
1:05:23
And that is your, I believe, I believe, tolling, Mark, that's a
1:05:27
lie. I can say before God, I can say
1:05:30
before God, that I never mentioned nothing.
1:05:32
I never seen nothing like that. I never mentioned it to nothing.
1:05:36
Nobody like that. I never even had a dream like
1:05:38
that. Nothing, that is a complete,
1:05:41
fabricated lie. Mark, I've got one more thing,
1:05:46
okay? Yeah.
1:05:46
All right. Can you respond to that?
1:05:47
He's saying, that's a lie. Your testimony is that Paul told
1:05:50
you? Can you can you reiterate?
1:05:52
What did Paul tell you the first time?
1:05:54
What will you whenever syntax he took you to the site and private
1:05:58
inside? Okay.
1:05:58
Off the Record. Get rid of your phone.
1:06:00
I want you to hear this. Yeah.
1:06:02
So when Paul came and talked to me about that, he did tell me
1:06:05
that they were in their underwear and desire appeared to
1:06:08
be afraid. Later on Paul came back and told
1:06:13
me that Chris clarified and said they were in their gym shorts.
1:06:16
So take that for what it's worth, that's what bolt.
1:06:18
Told me now. Remember afraid.
1:06:22
Yeah, Chris told me he didn't want to live sleep in that other
1:06:25
room alone. That's probably why I would use
1:06:27
the word afraid. I never Zaire when I walked into
1:06:31
that room Zaire was completely asleep on his side of the bed
1:06:36
completely clothed where was Brady and all this Chris Chris
1:06:41
Chris was on his side where was Bernie by remembers us crawled
1:06:45
off. Bri Brian, don't have nothing to
1:06:50
do with this. Adam, could you pull up my
1:06:53
screen? So these are some text messages
1:06:57
between us Paul, and and Brady was there.
1:07:01
So, Brady had talked to Chris and and this was my message to
1:07:06
you. I said, Brady gave was given a
1:07:08
third different version of Christmas Story said that Chris
1:07:11
told him he only made the kits remove their shoes and that is
1:07:15
what his conviction was based on.
1:07:16
I think we need to sit down with Kent as soon as possible and
1:07:19
handle this also a feel very strongly that the child should
1:07:23
not be alone with Chris you responded.
1:07:26
You The shoe thing is true. The court said since he told
1:07:29
them to take off the shoes and his presence, it was wasting a
1:07:33
type of strip pretty bizarre. He did not watch the rest of the
1:07:37
clothing Parts apparently, okay, but that's still three different
1:07:42
versions of the story. And Brady was not told about any
1:07:45
further removal of clothing, just the just the shoes and then
1:07:48
you said, I agree, we'll ask Chris, Brady should be there
1:07:51
also. So, Brady byrom was there.
1:07:55
We were setting up. up a meeting with Kent to discuss what had
1:07:58
happened and what you had told me what you had told others at
1:08:02
dinosaur Adventure Land, what you saw So where does their, why
1:08:06
what what is Brady's part in all this?
1:08:08
It seems extremely extremely unlikely that is just
1:08:15
coincidence that a known convicted pedophile.
1:08:20
And a confute accused pedophile being there at the same time.
1:08:26
With the boys. I never seen Chris talked to
1:08:29
Brady. I never seen Zaire talk to
1:08:31
Brady. I never talk to Brady about
1:08:33
Zaire. Great.
1:08:34
I was never over at that house. I got, I have no clue how he
1:08:38
would even be part of this at all.
1:08:40
I never knew. I knew who I really had any sex
1:08:44
charges in the past, until he doesn't have any charges.
1:08:47
He doesn't have any charges. He was.
1:08:49
I mean he's his son told the story, the family decided to
1:08:53
keep it under wraps blamed Blaine did not necessarily agree
1:08:58
with that decision. So he's been speaking out and he
1:09:01
told Kent he sent emails to can't, he sent emails to Ron.
1:09:04
De about Brady. When Brady first started hanging
1:09:07
out with Kenneth and it was ignored.
1:09:11
Yeah. So Grady Grady at this time was
1:09:15
aggressively trying to keep Chris off Camp.
1:09:19
So there is another incident with involving a four-wheeler
1:09:26
and a walkie-talkie. This isn't a text message
1:09:31
between me and Brady and I don't have that pulled up.
1:09:34
I'll just have to remember. Brady told me I was asking where
1:09:39
was Chris? And Sarah.
1:09:40
Brady said that they were on a four-wheeler going to look for a
1:09:44
walkie-talkie and this was in the afternoon, probably about
1:09:48
5:00. And then Brady told me that he
1:09:50
was going to turn in for the night and go to bed. and this
1:09:55
was before, I had any, I didn't know anything about Brady, then
1:09:58
I was not informed about Chris as much as I am now, but looking
1:10:06
back at the whole situation and throwing Brady in the mix and
1:10:12
the text messages and I will look them up, if if you can give
1:10:16
me some time, I can definitely find those but Brady Went to bed
1:10:21
at the same time that Chris and Zaire were taken off on a
1:10:24
four-wheeler together looking for a walkie-talkie or at least
1:10:27
pretty told me he was going a bit.
1:10:28
So all three of them were not. Yeah there.
1:10:32
Yeah, I remember the walkie-talkie I think I think
1:10:35
Chris bottle walkie-talkie it's probably $35 or something.
1:10:39
They were there fairly nice. They might be ten dollars, I
1:10:41
don't know. But anyway they were out riding
1:10:44
and Zaire had one walkie-talkie and Chris had the other and they
1:10:49
got back. And then I remember Chris saying
1:10:51
that they dropped one of their walkie-talkies and they're going
1:10:53
to go back and try to follow the same trails and see if they
1:10:56
could find it laying on the trail.
1:10:58
That's all I remember about a walkie-talkie.
1:11:01
Yeah. And it just struck me as really
1:11:03
odd looking back and and I didn't realize this until last
1:11:06
year and I'm already been gone for a good long time.
1:11:10
I didn't even realize Brady was there and and I was reading
1:11:13
through our two thousand pages of text messages and and I found
1:11:18
that and let me tell tell you my heart dropped and I didn't know
1:11:24
what to say. I didn't know what to think.
1:11:25
I mean, why on Earth would Brady be going to bed at 5:00?
1:11:29
He usually stayed up late late, late late late.
1:11:31
And and now hear me, this is speculation.
1:11:34
All I'm saying is speculation. I'm telling you how I felt about
1:11:38
it long. After the fact, only
1:11:41
rediscovering the text messages with the new information that I
1:11:44
had and and Chris and Zaire taking off alone and Brady
1:11:50
informing me that he's about to take off alone.
1:11:55
I don't know. I don't know.
1:11:57
It doesn't set well with me. I don't, I don't know.
1:11:58
And that's what I'm saying. I don't know, but it does not
1:12:01
set well with me. It's too much, it's too much.
1:12:06
I apologize, Mark. You said it's too much and I'm
1:12:09
just getting overwhelmed by this.
1:12:11
I want to say Paul Hanson. You are a sick.
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Fuck you are the scum of the earth.
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You're complicit in this Mark. I apologize if that interferes
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with anything you have going on with Paul and I appreciate you
1:12:25
setting this up but I just got to end this because I'm going to
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have like an anxiety attack or something.
1:12:30
I really want to thank Mark Stony for arranging this.
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I think this was a lot of really good evidence.
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I Those who showed up in the comments section and Mark if you
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want to add anything at the end, we can we can wrap up because I
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know I'm going to stop doing this for a minute.
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It's too much. I'm kind of with you.
1:12:46
I'm not feeling too great. I mean, having a physical
1:12:49
reaction, as I know and and I went through writing mad and
1:12:52
just chill out and play tennis or something.
1:12:54
I went through six months of therapy with my daughter after
1:12:56
all this really hit the fan and and just man, it's coming back.
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I'm with you. I got to subside.
1:13:05
I think Paul left. If so, I guess this is a good
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time to wrap it up, I mean, am I do want to say this?
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Understand everybody's entitled to their opinion.
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I don't necessarily agree with your evaluation of all.
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I think that Paul is I think he, I don't know.
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I have a hard time saying anything about Paul II, I'm a
1:13:26
little conflicted with him and and and please understand when I
1:13:31
say this, I was great friends with these people for Long and
1:13:37
Brady, and I were best friends and just to find out about that
1:13:41
about him and his past and and it's hard to deal with it's hard
1:13:47
to deal with and Paul, I don't know if you're still listening.
1:13:51
Let's talk. I wanted you to come here and
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set your story straight. Now, I'm even more confused.
1:13:58
So, I gotta go. I'm sorry I just gotta go.
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Thank you so much Mark Paul. If I don't know if you're still
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here it shows that you're here. Paul.
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Are you still here? Yes.
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Yes. Can't you hear me?
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Any last words, can you hear me? Can you hear me?
1:14:18
Yeah, we can hear you. You had me muted for the last
1:14:21
five minutes. I've been trying to say
1:14:22
something. Yeah, let's start with Medica
1:14:24
overwhelmed and we just need to wrap this up.
1:14:26
So if you want to say any last words, we're going to close out.
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Yeah, I think it's I think Shameful that Mark would even be
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pregnant for presenting in front of somebody like you.
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It's shameful it's shameful. Yeah well this shameful shit.
1:14:39
You're a scumbag. Yeah just shameful may God deal
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with you make your enabling pedophiles you're doing legal
1:14:46
counsel for this sex ring you're a piece of shit you should rot
1:14:50
in hell. So long.
1:14:55
And I think that's it. So I'm gonna go take a chill
1:14:59
pill. I actually didn't I felt
1:15:02
uncomfortable about doing this interview because I really
1:15:04
suspect it. This Paul guy sounded like a
1:15:07
real vile piece of shit and this has been confirmed today.
1:15:13
Before your very eyes. So, I just got a goat.
1:15:20
I know that it's not professional to call the
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interviewee a piece of shit and stuff, but I don't really care
1:15:25
because this is just this is just too much.
1:15:28
You can't Anyways, anyone in the comments, have any last words,
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I'm going to, I'm going to close out.
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Hanson is an enabler. He's, he's aiding these guys,
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he's involved. He's making excuses.
1:15:45
His memory is conveniently gone when he needs it, it's sharp
1:15:51
when he claims he wants to be believed.
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I mean there's a lot to process here, folks.
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Thank you to Big Bad. Mama.
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Thank you to Robert Beatty and there's chat in the chat Louis
1:16:03
or Louise Dimitri and anybody else that was that was watching
1:16:08
this. All right.
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Thank you. Everybody have a good day.
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Goodbye.