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Talks to Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of The Mysterious Planet (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. A hamster with a blunt pen knife
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  will do it quicker. Quicker.
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  Mysterious Planet, I want to get close to you and your bag of.
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  Secrets. Whoa, whoa.
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  Mysterious planet. I want to be close.
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  To you and your habitat of the Canadian goose, welcome back to
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  a hamster with a blood pen knife, The Doctor Who Come at
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  That was podcast where this evening we are talking about
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  episode 2 of the 1986 magnum opus, The Trail of A tag Lord.
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  So yes, it's not really the mysterious planet, of course.
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  Well, spoilers. Though we've had the.
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  Spoilers, haven't we? We know what it is I.
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  Don't know no story is not called the mysterious planet.
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  We made that up. No, it's a who fans made that up
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  so. The the book is called
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  Mysterious Planet. Yeah, the target made it up.
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  It's all, it's all. Yeah, They had to call it
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  something, and they didn't want to call it Trial of a Time Lord
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  parts one to four. So they made-up individual
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  titles, and particularly Terror of the Vervoids is completely
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  fabricated by Target. It was never on any of the
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  scripts. None of these.
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  Titles. No, it was always the trial of a
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  Time Lord I. Believe if I'm right, the script
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  that was commissioned from Pip and Jean was the ultimate for.
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  Yes, and not the terror of the vervoids on the.
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  Holmes's conclusion to the two-part conclusion was going to
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  be Time Inc. Oh.
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  That's right, yeah. But as far as I'm aware, Mind
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  Warp was always mind warp in the scripting stage, and as was
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  Mysterious Planet. Oh, maybe I'm wrong.
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  Maybe I'm making up facts now. Maybe.
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  This is the mystery. This is the mystery of the
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  mysterious planet. But yes, it is mysterious
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  planet. Please go away and.
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  Listen to our two versions of that story and.
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  Come and tell us. Which one is right?
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  So obviously we need a cast of characters to talk about this,
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  this episode. We need the old one.
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  Say hi the old one. The old one have, you know I'm
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  in the prime of my life. We need the the big boss, the
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  immortal, the one that rules over us all by the iron fist.
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  Say hello. You drain my energy suppliers
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  with your constant infantile bickering.
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  No, it does. I've just realized though, that
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  leaves me as the bossy queen, doesn't it?
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  Go on. You take me from a fool.
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  We go. Forward.
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  I have seen it in the fire. That's right, we're doing this
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  commentary I've rigged into flames many times.
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  Wow. So we left Part 1 with our first
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  classic column bake cliffhanger. That's right.
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  And can I say, because now we've got a chance to see it up close
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  and personal, he was right in a twin dilemma, a noble brow, a
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  face beaming with a vast intelligence.
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  He was right. He.
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  Was he was what I want to say about that cliffhanger and
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  because we kind of touched on it it towards the end of episode 1
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  is the the performances of Michael Jason column Baker.
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  They are playing very opposite of each other.
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  You know, Colin, for all that he's dialled everything down in
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  the story itself, in the whole rubble oxy bits, he is very back
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  up. You know, he's turned it right
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  back up again for the court scenes.
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  He is jumping up and shouting and leaping out his seat and all
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  the rest of it. He's very energized, very
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  dynamic, whereas Jason is still as a.
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  Measured. You know he is playing it.
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  He is stock still. He is very calm, very serene,
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  very bruden. It is.
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  It's almost as if they are two sides of the same coin.
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  Oh well, goodness me. I mean, that would be a
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  revelation. It wouldn't.
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  Intriguing notion. I think Colin though, right,
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  Colin? I know we said we love this sort
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  of new, subtle, thoughtful, funny Colin, but how obnoxious
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  and childish he can be and knows I love it.
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  There's one bit where he scores a point over the Valley yard.
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  And he sits down. Like one of those kids on
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  Supernanny with the biggest smile on his face like.
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  Ha ha, I got my own way. Muggus tits isn't he it's.
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  Great. But he's indignant and he's
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  passionate and he's loud and. Is is the doctor?
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  Yes, the Doctor, as if there was any doubt.
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  What I love about the trial scenes in the serious planet is
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  they build so they're they start to get more contentious as they
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  go along. And then in episode 4, it goes
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  off like a bloody bomb between the two of them and he's like
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  immature. I was unraveled trying to, you
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  know, prevent a catastrophe. You know, it's fabulous.
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  It really builds to like crime. Wasn't being their doctor.
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  And and he gets a rise out of the Valley yard finally, which
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  we've been waiting for all that time.
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  Can you think of a more doctorish line than him going?
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  What is it? Surely not even in the eyes of
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  Time Lords. Can that be deemed immature or a
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  crime? My God, I should have been the
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  6th Doctor. Come.
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  On your whole personality aspect.
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  I've got a question for you guys then.
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  Who? OK, who's written the court
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  scenes? Is it Holmes, is it Siewert?
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  Or is it Pippen? Gene Baker.
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  I I think each individual author is writing those those because
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  there are differences between the stories and how they are
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  written and approached. The the stackyard, you know,
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  that sort of agonising joke that's only in the home scripts.
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  Yes. It's a good joke, though.
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  I like it. I like the name.
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  I'm not going to lie. I like the name Colin.
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  I think it's, it's just it's is it, is it juvenile, possibly or
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  is it funny? Yes.
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  Can I do? One more then, before we go in,
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  please. You'll be very indulgent with me
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  today, I promise I'll calm down in my warp.
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  What is he goes? You belong in the knackers yard
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  for for your argument. It was tired and it was worn out
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  as the poor unfortunate creatures that end up there.
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  You will apologize at once. But telling the truth?
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  Never. Never.
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  He's. The Doctor, isn't he?
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  He's the doctor. He's.
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  He's just, he's magnetic, he's exhilarating, he's.
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  Just you can't miss him, not in that coat.
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  Do you know, I just had a thought for a second.
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  Like, I would have loved to have seen Capaldi play these scenes
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  in the trial. I think he would.
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  He could. Similarly magnificent.
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  Yeah, Well, look, we've got. Colin and I'm happy about it.
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  Right. Should we watch Colin?
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  Yeah, of course. Then I want to see the greatest
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  robotic design ever to appear in Doctor Who.
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  That's and the L1. What countless in Shall I in
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  54321? Do you think it's it's sort of
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  nicely subtle this this music? Yeah, I do like the theme now.
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  I, like I said, I just don't think it sits well with these
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  titles. And if they'd had that last bit
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  of money to have the Oliver Elms titles this year, because he
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  was, he was contracted and he did storyboards for a title
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  sequence for, for this year, a new title sequence, I think that
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  would have given it a different feel and a different, a
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  different look straight off. And I think that was what was
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  needed because we've come back with the same kind of look.
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  I think it needed another visual hook at the start to show that
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  this is we've thought about this, we've done something
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  different. Oh, here we go, zoom to other
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  Time Lords awake. Or that one at the front looks
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  like he might be nodding off. Oh no, look at the one right on
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  the left at the back. Look.
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  Oh yeah. He's like shut.
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  What? Wake me up.
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  What's going on? What do you think of the
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  Valeyard's costume there? That sort of black leather
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  costume he's wearing. It's a look.
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  It is a look, you're right. I mean, it's, it's, it's kind of
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  like it is a very much I am the bad guy look.
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  Yeah, you can't really mistake who's the goody and who's the
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  baddie in the trial, can you? At a glance, I do think Linda
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  Pellingham looks for a splendor, knowing her.
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  Swan I could. I like that.
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  I like the the red sort of sash scarf that she's got.
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  I think that. I love how she's got the whole
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  Time Lord and not be fond but shell thing, but collar collar.
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  Yeah, it's tiny, though. It's it's much.
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  Yes, and it's. Stainty yeah, yes, yes.
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  And there's also satin. You know you can help because
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  she's a time lady with. Class So those helmets are the
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  helmets from. From.
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  Earth shop that's. Right.
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  Oh, they're. Not they're from earth shop.
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  I thought the Blake 7 ones as. Well, no, no, no.
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  These are the earth shock ones that are repainted.
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  When did the Blake 7 ones turn up then?
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  From TIOS. OK.
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  Do you like the sort of splatted paint look they've got on them
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  now? I don't know what they were
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  going for there, are they not? Resurrection of the Daleks as
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  well. No, those are those are Dalek
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  shaped. I have studied the flames,
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  gentlemen, and they are angry. Yeah, we had a, we had a school
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  lesson in that Hut, in that Hut. Did you pretend to be Jones
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  Sims? Well, it took me a moment to
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  realise where I was. It was a bit of a this looks
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  familiar, but maybe there was a million to one chance there was
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  an Iron Age village that I could.
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  Oh miss, now I know this is where they tried to give.
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  Perry to. All of those men, yes.
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  Well, there's always a moment. She does have a great line about
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  her. She was.
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  Usually we have them one after the other.
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  What do you think about the location work being on video now
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  rather than film? Obviously it's the first time
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  that's happened. It's it's not too bad.
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  I don't think it doesn't kind of like, I mean, obviously you
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  missed that sort of like film machine whip, but at the same
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  time don't necessarily think it's about I.
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  Think they're quite they're quite lucky because they've
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  chosen some quite atmospheric locations.
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  That wintry woods just has a natural atmosphere to it,
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  whether it's short on video or film.
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  Yeah. And I mean, and then it means
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  that for Mind Warp they can do the paint box effects for the
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  first time, which they wouldn't be able to do if it was all on
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  film. So, you know, it's yeah.
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  In in ultimate photo. It's a night shoot, isn't it?
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  I don't think. Yeah.
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  And it's very atmospheric. Yeah.
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  So, yeah, you know it. It's all right.
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  I mean, everyone always says, oh, well, everything looks cheap
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  on videotape. But most BBC dramas at this time
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  were were on videotape, on location, sort of late 80s.
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  You got your prestigious things, which were all on film, but
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  something like Howard's Way was often the location work was on
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  OB as well, so you know it's not.
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  House of Elliot, that definitely was.
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  Oh, that was definitely all on OB.
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  Yeah, so cheap. And there's your argument, Joe.
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  Oh, look at these camp old thing young things.
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  Yeah, sorry, it's just supposed to be a parody of Doctor Who
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  fans. A pair of old Queens arguing all
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  the time. I'm sure I know them both.
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  That's your entire. Friendship group, what are you
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  talking about? Except Fraser.
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  He's very Butch. Of course.
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  Does that make me druthra then? No, you're like, you're like
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  dibble glitz, you know, the bit of rough that's just hanging
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  tagging along. I think that.
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  Is my job. That wall, yeah, that sort of
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  whistle and daub wall there. It looks like it is ready to
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  come down, doesn't it? I watched by a man.
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  In that cell with Dibber. Oh, this has got all that
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  running around in the forest at the end of the episode.
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  I love those bits. Yeah, well, I really think it
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  could be the end. I do genuinely think that the
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  giraffe robot is a pretty stunning, bitter design.
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  I love the fact that. I mean, I don't like the fact
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  that the way you hold that. The secrets.
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  Like a limp handbag. But that's the only thing I
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  object to. I love all just all of the help
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  me out here the difference. Yeah.
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  The way all those opposable appendages, yes, that he's got.
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  How did I do? Yeah, and, and he's big as well.
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  He's very tall. I'm going to say something
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  controversial when I think he's better than the K1 in robot.
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  It can move better. Because he's so fucking
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  cumbersome. That robot and the hysterisks
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  are even limper. I'm not too sure about the
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  movement. I think you know Drafa was very
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  shuffly. It was because he's shuffling.
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  Key key One robot can waddle a bit a bit, you know, draft.
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  I think in 100 meter Sprint it might take like 2 days but I
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  think K1 would probably win over draft.
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  You better watch out, Fraser. I'm going to give Janice Ellis
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  your number, all right? That's her dad in there.
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  I said you don't. Sorry.
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  You must have seen that when you were in Nipper when?
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  Franchise Blue Peter. I missed that because I was
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  doing my homework. No, I love it when she opens her
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  up and. She goes, oh, hello,
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  Pennsylvania. Yeah.
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  Is he not in the little one? Oh, is he?
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  Yeah, he's in the little one. Yes, because it's, yeah, it's a
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  very tall actor who's in draft row.
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  That's not the actor. I'm gonna have to.
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  Check now because I did look this up and it wasn't.
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  It's not the guy doing the voice.
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  No, it's not Roger, really. It's Paul McGuinness who's a
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  visual effects person. What do I know that name?
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  Roger Breeley. Because you're thinking of David
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  Brierley. Who?
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  Was supposed that's. Right, they're no relation.
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  And that's exactly what I thought.
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  Oh my God, he named did Russell and then no.
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  I do like that robot with the Caterpillar tracks as well.
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  Yeah, yeah. I just think some thoughts gone
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  into the designs. I mean, it's no the quarks
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  Fraser, but that's. All you know.
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  Yeah, it's. Possible.
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  What is? Just the Chumleys, probably, but
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  never mind. So I I would like to stand in
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  for your absent father and give you away, my dear.
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  No, no, dear boy. We may need these brutish
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  primitives. What's up the hamster?
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  Audience. Oh no.
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  Hello everyone. I have a question for you 2
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  gentlemen. OK.
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  It is the format after all. So obviously Bob Holmes is
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  famous for his double acts. Yes.
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  Throughout his his stories, where do you rank Blitz and
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  Dibber in the pantheon of Bob Holmes classic double acts?
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  Oh, pretty good. Hi I I I'm really surprised that
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  Dibber didn't come back in Ultimate Foe and Dragon Fire.
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  I think he should have done because I I think they're better
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  as a duo than he is as a character on his own.
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  Yes, Dibber plays a very good straight man to to glitz.
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  Yeah, and you need that. I think that's that's good.
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  And Glenn Murphy plays it very well.
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  You can see why I had a career right right after.
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  That. Oh, absolutely.
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  Yeah, it was a massive name in the 90s.
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  It was London's burning was his big thing, wasn't it?
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  Yeah. And I watched that.
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  I watched London's Burning even though I have no interest in
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  firefighting whatsoever. Just because you're.
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  Interested in him? No.
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  Because he played Dimmer in the Mysterious Planet and I wouldn't
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  do that bloody rod thing of watching as in other things.
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  Oh God, we've all done that. Come on.
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  We have. It's true.
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  I'm not sure what else Adam Blackwood has done, but I'm sure
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  it was fabulous. He was in the 90s version of the
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  Tomorrow People. Was he?
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  He was. He was in the Culex experiment.
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  With Jean Marsh. With Jean Marsh.
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  Who did he play in that? He's the doctor that examines
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  the young lad who when he gets bitten by the wasp and gets
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  involved in their adventures. And he's also in the Blake 7
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  adventure Assassin as one of them one of the people bidding
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  at the slave auction. What a career.
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  Be silent, fat one I've. Used that one a few times, you
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  know, Mark says that to me quite a lot, you know.
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  Who? Who was that director person we
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  need to talk about? Nicholas.
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  Mallard. Because that's a lovely shot
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  there. Where could we are saying I have
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  studied the fires and it is shot through the fires?
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  That's there are tons of lovely shots in this.
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  Now, I don't think Nicholas Mallett is one of the strongest
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  directors we ever had, but I think he does something with
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  this story that he doesn't do with any of his others and he
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  just gives it a nice light touch.
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  I think paradise towers by its very nature is is darker, even
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  though it is a comedy technically and obviously Curtis
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  Fenrick's very dark, but I I like I like the sort of
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  effervescence of this story. It's not taking itself too
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  seriously. I think he's.
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  Better on location overall. Well, keep in mind what were you
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  didn't have much of a chance in Paradise Towers of doing that.
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  No, no. Only yeah, only the.
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  But obviously for Fenrick, he was on location the whole time,
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  so he. Hadn't had no choice for that
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  one. Oh, this is so funny, they
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  start. Taking all the things out of
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  Colin's jacket and they pull out this teddy bear and he looks so
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  affronted he grabs it straight back.
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  Doesn't he Give him our teddy bear back?
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  And his cat mask. Thank you.
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  I can't, I cannot really put my finger on it.
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  He is just lighter, isn't it? He's.
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  Yes. I don't feel as if he's going to
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  put his hands around their necks and kill those two men, which
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  would have been a possibility in Season 22.
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  Do stop prodding me. There's a good fellow.
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  The trainer pull out his bouffant.
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  Oh, it's annoying. In this episode.
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  There is a lot of this episode that I use all the time.
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  Whenever, you know, you ask people, well, what is it you
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  want to do? And they say, well, you know,
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  I'm, I'm studying and I always go, that's where the money is.
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  I've done that on board. All the time.
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  Mind you, I also say that thing about size on the mouth size of
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  the. Brain and rebels are dance, so
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  Doctor Who quotes do come in handy.
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  Me do but. Don't you love the way Colin
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  runs rings? Around them in a minute.
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  You hold that. You hold that.
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  Right, that should just. Do it bag.
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  New handrail. Yeah, this is the only bit.
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  That's really crotal ish, isn't it?
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  These two. Yeah, I, yeah, it's that, yeah.
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  It's yeah, it's, you know, that's another criticism I hear
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  about this, this story a lot is it's just, you know, Bob Holmes
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  greatest hits. What's wrong with that?
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  He's a great. This, I mean, this is the thing
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  to have have a greatest hits, you have to have hits, so.
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  Oh, The Beatles greatest hits. Oh, you're, you know.
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  What's that album by The Beatles?
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  Monsters. Beatles doing Beatles songs.
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  I mean, I do think there is a lot of very mess of dialogue
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  here. She just went, yeah.
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  Is this relevant at the audience?
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  Who's thinking of the exact? Moment.
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  And so there's a fine line between pointing it out and
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  pointing. Out that the story isn't
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  working, you know it's a very fine line.
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  It's a very fun name, but if anyone's going to be able to do
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  it, it's Bob Holmes, isn't it? Yeah.
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  Philip Martin gives it a good, good stab when he he does gives
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  the value of the calculation of how many times the companions in
• 21:58
  danger compared to the Doctor and and things like that.
• 22:01
  So. Oh, you won't miss a mind war
• 22:04
  we've barely started. Yeah.
• 22:08
  We'll get there. We'll get.
• 22:10
  And you are obviously a robot who's very used to get in his
• 22:13
  own way. I've.
• 22:15
  Met a lot of customers like that, you know.
• 22:19
  There's there's a lot of hamster contributors who are like.
• 22:26
  Hey, I just wrote, what are you talking about?
• 22:29
  I've listened to every every strictly I know.
• 22:35
  Oh, we go, well, you'll do it or die.
• 22:39
  And Colin goes, oh, you haven't given much choice, have you,
• 22:42
  That? Was quite nice shot over Lynn
• 22:45
  the back of Linda Bellingham towards Colin.
• 22:48
  I'm thinking that that's. They make them.
• 22:50
  Slightly different. Do you know what I would have
• 22:52
  done? And it would have been
• 22:54
  expensive, but like once an episode I would have done, you
• 22:57
  know, how they did the glass shots in front of us where and I
• 23:01
  would make them so they're on some vast, you know, I mean,
• 23:04
  it's a huge room and we're just cutting into one part of it.
• 23:07
  Yeah, I think that would have given it a sense of scale.
• 23:12
  And then put maybe like an echo on everybody's voices to to make
• 23:15
  it feel bigger there. He is.
• 23:17
  There's that. Smug.
• 23:17
  Smug. There's smug Colin, Yeah.
• 23:19
  I think you know, you know the there's a lot which is kind of
• 23:22
  like it's the doctor shot over the valley yards shoulder, but
• 23:25
  then there's like front on shots of the valley front on shots of
• 23:27
  the doctor making it look there's a lot of angle where
• 23:30
  he's. Good.
• 23:31
  Yeah, he's giving it a bit bit of thought.
• 23:33
  It's not just. I will plunk the camera here and
• 23:35
  we'll leave it at the RIZ. I loved him so much, he goes.
• 23:39
  I would have just got a bullet in the back of the head.
• 23:41
  Much more economical. It's a nice little thread of
• 23:47
  black Uber. Well, you can play at being the
• 23:50
  slave driver all you want, Fraser.
• 23:53
  Oh, actually. Oh, no.
• 23:55
  Moves on quick. There's a touch of the
• 23:58
  creightons about draft through, I feel.
• 24:00
  Go on. In that he's essentially he's
• 24:03
  the bog bot. You know, he's, he's lording it
• 24:06
  all over the society, but basically he's the guy that, you
• 24:09
  know, fits the the, the black light system.
• 24:13
  He doesn't know how to fix it. All he knows is how to install
• 24:16
  it. He's not he's not that good a
• 24:20
  robot. Obviously you've got L1, which
• 24:22
  is the little ship on wheels and you've got him as the L3.
• 24:26
  Presumably there's some sort of L5 robot or L7 robot or
• 24:30
  something which is actually a lot more capable.
• 24:32
  He's the L3, he's the bog bot in charge of this entire community.
• 24:37
  It's and he's. Sort of in a way, isn't he?
• 24:40
  Like he's. Yeah, he's, he's bound by his
• 24:43
  programming and he's been given an instruction and that's it.
• 24:48
  You're all going to follow this to to the letter because there
• 24:51
  isn't anything else. He's got no extra capability to,
• 24:56
  you know, evolve beyond that. Did you hear Colin?
• 25:00
  Then he went. Oh, how did you put up with him?
• 25:05
  That's what people say to you about me.
• 25:11
  I I do like though, how Drafra occasionally the the fella does
• 25:15
  the dialogue like a petulant child, you know?
• 25:17
  Yeah, I've told you, without me they have no function, you know.
• 25:22
  But also there's a kind of weariness to him as well, which
• 25:25
  I I rather like as well. So there's a bit of bit of the
• 25:28
  Marvin the Paranoid androids as well.
• 25:31
  I do genuinely think of it. The scene between the doctor and
• 25:34
  Draffer in episode 4 where they're talking about the
• 25:37
  meaning of life, it's one of the symptoms.
• 25:39
  Very good, yes. It's it's poetic, it's great
• 25:44
  dialogue. Well, that should just about do
• 25:47
  it. Press this button here.
• 25:49
  Like I can imagine Trout and doing all this.
• 25:51
  Yeah. This is the robot.
• 25:55
  Over there. Oh dear, why don't people like
• 26:01
  this? What's?
• 26:02
  Wrong with you people. This is fun.
• 26:07
  Look how easily they overpower those guards.
• 26:11
  Actually, to be fair, at that party I was talking about moves
• 26:14
  along quick. Oh, so I have you concealed
• 26:19
  yourself in a muddy crevice before?
• 26:21
  Oh, once or twice. Stop it.
• 26:29
  Oh, the music now, right when they're running through the
• 26:32
  woods and it sort of builds and builds.
• 26:34
  It goes on for about two or three minutes and it's a it's a
• 26:37
  great track on Dominic Lin soundtrack.
• 26:42
  Someone did a version of it on YouTube.
• 26:43
  I'll put it in the on X when we do it.
• 26:47
  OK, Basically made that music. It's the same music, but they've
• 26:50
  sort of new series it. That's fabulous.
• 26:55
  Is that the same cameras from Barros?
• 26:58
  Probably. I think it might be.
• 27:02
  Look at transpose arms. So every part's moving, yeah.
• 27:06
  He's even got a little Butler, he's got a line where his arse
• 27:09
  is. As Roper asses go, you know.
• 27:16
  Someone move us on quick. Well, we're moving on to the L1
• 27:21
  and in lovely speeded up videotape, yeah.
• 27:24
  But look, he's got a Caterpillar track, so he can turn the
• 27:27
  corner. So he can go, yeah, and he can
• 27:28
  go on location. Although when he picks up the
• 27:32
  doctor, it looks obscene. She wait.
• 27:37
  Oh, this was the bit that Rod. Was really unhappy about with
• 27:39
  the direction, he said. It's a bit obvious that you can
• 27:41
  see grill there in the background.
• 27:44
  Well obviously when you shoot from over grill shorter but.
• 27:49
  That's what I say to everyone at work, you know, if you're going
• 27:51
  to gossip, do a three 61st, then sell the gossip.
• 27:55
  Yeah, yeah, at least do a Daleks in Manhattan Dalek and have a
• 27:59
  look round behind you. Any.
• 28:01
  Grills about no right? Listen to me, I'm sending you up
• 28:05
  to the surface. Well, the balance is also cute,
• 28:07
  isn't he? He's he's properly innocent.
• 28:12
  Yeah, this is this. This is what you'd be like if
• 28:15
  you was in the underground base site.
• 28:17
  Well, I would be the keeper of the books, wouldn't I?
• 28:19
  He would. And he's.
• 28:22
  Very tall as well. Yeah, I could pull off a
• 28:25
  fetching yellow boiler suit I think.
• 28:28
  I do you know what? This conjures up my childhood
• 28:31
  more than anything. Running around woods with like
• 28:33
  lots of crackly leaves all over the.
• 28:35
  Phone, yeah, and mine as well used.
• 28:36
  To love it and burying yourself in the leaves.
• 28:41
  It's definitely a certain time of year they filmed this, isn't
• 28:44
  it? Yeah, it's it looks very cold.
• 28:48
  Well, they're running around in a minute.
• 28:50
  It was it was it? Well, actually.
• 28:54
  Was it? Yeah.
• 28:57
  It was because. There is a leaf on that tree.
• 29:01
  April surely is spring let. Me double check the The Old Six
• 29:05
  Doctor Handbook I. Think Fraser is right?
• 29:09
  Thank God you've got the Howard James stammers and whatever it
• 29:12
  is handbook on you. I like the circle of tunnels.
• 29:17
  Well, it's the arc in pace thing, isn't it?
• 29:19
  Side where you can sort of shoot and it always feels like it's
• 29:22
  going around. Yeah, and brilliantly, they
• 29:26
  repurpose those tunnels for mind warp.
• 29:29
  Did you? See Jason shooting, 8th of April
• 29:33
  1980, sixth of the 11th. Of the OK.
• 29:35
  Spring has was early, very early spring, yeah.
• 29:40
  Colleague went round the corner there and went whoops and then
• 29:43
  when the other one. Whoops.
• 29:47
  Oh boy. No, I don't want to.
• 29:52
  I have come to see a lot in Peter Davidson's performance as
• 29:56
  the Doctor. Yeah, but I think Colin has a
• 30:00
  different energy. He certainly has a lot more
• 30:04
  personality on the and I think he's got more presence.
• 30:10
  He has, but I think it's it's very out there, you know, you
• 30:17
  can't miss it. It's like.
• 30:18
  It's very theatrical. Yes.
• 30:20
  I love it though. I think Davison does exactly the
• 30:23
  same. Just you it's, it's sort of I
• 30:28
  think. So yeah, I think, yeah, Davidson
• 30:31
  does TV acting and Colin does theatre acting, yeah.
• 30:36
  So that's why I think you could probably watch Davidson's
• 30:38
  performances now in the modern day, which is very, yeah.
• 30:41
  He's more, yeah. But I think that's why some
• 30:44
  people prefer Colin's. TV.
• 30:46
  Yeah, absolutely. Because that's that's a style of
• 30:48
  performance that's gone now on the whole.
• 30:52
  Yeah, there was back in the day in in DWB, they did a 25th
• 30:58
  anniversary special and they got various fans to write reviews of
• 31:03
  seasons and Gary Russell brilliantly did season 21.
• 31:08
  But he did it like the Valliard watching the adventures,
• 31:12
  choosing which doctor to take out of time.
• 31:15
  And he said, and it sort of gets to the twin dilemma and he says,
• 31:18
  and now this is the doctor that I would want to take on because
• 31:21
  he's going to trip himself up. He's he's going to be serious.
• 31:24
  And this 5th doctor, he's too thoughtful, he's too nice.
• 31:27
  Said we want someone that we're going to butt heads with.
• 31:30
  And I just remember that being being a really good piece of
• 31:34
  sort of observation. You want a meta joke?
• 31:38
  I mean, you said it earlier. I really think this could be
• 31:41
  the. Gentlemen.
• 31:47
  Yes. We're 2 for two.
• 31:50
  We are. If you get a zoom.
• 31:52
  It was wasn't It's quite a crash zoom, but there was a slight
• 31:55
  zoom down on Colin Baker's face at the end of episode 2, so we
• 31:57
  have two for two. I can't remember the end of
• 31:59
  three. Oh yeah, it was when Merdean's
• 32:03
  going to shoot him, isn't it? I don't know if he gets a zoom
• 32:06
  then, though. I think it's just a static shot.
• 32:10
  Oh well, maybe it hadn't come down yet.
• 32:12
  Well, obviously, you know, we're skipping ahead.
• 32:14
  We've got that. I was watching all of that chase
• 32:17
  work then whilst we were talking and he was shooting that from
• 32:21
  about six or seven directions. So I think you're right, the
• 32:24
  location work is quite strong. Yeah.
• 32:27
  And yeah, I think the chase comes over really well because
• 32:29
  they've got a big location and they can they can use different
• 32:33
  bits. But it also Dominic Glynn's
• 32:36
  music really drives the motion of those scenes as well.
• 32:40
  So. It's just everybody working sort
• 32:42
  of fused together in a really exactly good creative way.
• 32:47
  John Nathan Turner, he could pull together a good crew.
• 32:50
  Yeah, yeah, he knows the people who can do this stuff by this
• 32:53
  point. You just won't have them back
• 32:56
  again. Just fall out with them, yeah.
• 33:02
  I won't do the joke about going out to lunch for.
• 33:04
  About me again. I'll cut it out.
• 33:08
  I'll cut it there.