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Mother Pleads For Help as Husband of Missing Daughter, The Last to See Her, Says He Doesn’t Know Where She Is · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young woman literally
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Speaker 1: travels the globe for true love and finds her dream man.
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Speaker 1: Now she's missing. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is Jepsy?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this tonight? A mother in Hong
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Speaker 1: Kong holding out hope that her daughter, twenty six year
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Speaker 1: old Jepsy Omaga of Colorado Springs will soon be found safe.
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Speaker 1: She's been missing since March twenty, with no trace of
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Speaker 1: where she might have gone well. Margiemaga says she and
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Speaker 1: her daughter talk regularly, so when a few days went
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Speaker 1: by without hearing from Jepsy, her suspicion started to rise,
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Speaker 1: and twenty six days later, she's just hoping for the best.
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Speaker 1: I am so worried that I cannot sleep, I cannot
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Speaker 1: concentrate mooy. The emotional toll is mounting for Margie AMaGA,
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Speaker 1: her daughter, twenty six year old Jepsy AMaGA, missing for
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Speaker 1: nearly a month in Colorado Springs, while she watches on
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Speaker 1: from Hong Kong, feeling hopeless. It's betty high for Me's
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Speaker 1: by pain for me because I am very far. I
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Speaker 1: cannot comfort her and I don't know where I find her.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm only alone. I can only imagine
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Speaker 1: the pain of that mother far away from her child,
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Speaker 1: learning that Jepsy is missing again. I'm Nancy Grace. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nations Series eleven.
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Speaker 1: Let me introduce you an all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know so far. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Nicole Deboard hot School, a criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of Houston, and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at Houston Criminal Defense dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold renounced
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Speaker 1: like hiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction and
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Speaker 1: you can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Todd Barr, Deputy medical examiner forensic Pathologists, joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Cleveland, and you can find him at Finn
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Speaker 1: Places Essays from in between at Twitter at Todd Barr
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Speaker 1: m Cheryl McCullum joining us, Founder and director of the
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Speaker 1: Coaldcase Research Institute, and you can find her at Coalcase
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Speaker 1: Crimes dot org. But first to Sydney Still News reporter
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Speaker 1: Kardo News Channel thirteen, Sidney, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: being with us. We were just listening to Rob Quirk
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Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Wats at KOAA News five speaking to Jetsey's mom,
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Speaker 1: I understand that jets traveled the globe to meet her
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Speaker 1: true love. Tell me about that. Yeah, So she looked
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Speaker 1: in the Philippines and she had a great job. She
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Speaker 1: had a bachelor's degree. She was the breadwinner for her family.
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Speaker 1: She got six siblings and a mom, and she was
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Speaker 1: helping you support them financially. From the Philippines, she meets
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Speaker 1: the I Colungi online and very quickly she moved to
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Speaker 1: the US. She moves and marries him in twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: So she moves and leaves everything behind to come to
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Speaker 1: the US to be with Deem. Wow, she traveled all
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Speaker 1: the way to the US to marry her true love.
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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Angela Arnold. A lot of people poo
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Speaker 1: poo online dating. A lot of couples don't want to
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Speaker 1: admit they met online. But I've got a success story.
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Speaker 1: My nephew, smart, smart, smart, double major in chemistry and
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Speaker 1: IT tech, meets a woman online. They date, they get married.
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Speaker 1: They now have an almost four year old little boy,
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Speaker 1: perfectly happy. They just bought a house. Couldn't be happier.
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Speaker 1: It does happen, doctor Angie, Well, of course it doesn't. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: If it didn't happen, then online dating wouldn't be such
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Speaker 1: a huge thing, huge thing that it is. Right, So,
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Speaker 1: certainly there are success stories, but unfortunately it is such
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Speaker 1: a medium for people to fool people about who they
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Speaker 1: really are. Yeah, and there are a lot of rules
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Speaker 1: to follow with online dating, what to reveal and when
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Speaker 1: to reveal it. But in this case, she travels the world,
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Speaker 1: she meets her dream man, and they do get married,
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Speaker 1: and then she goes missing. Take a listen to Sam
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Speaker 1: Kramer KOAA. The Colorado Springs Police Department tells News five
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Speaker 1: they're investigating this as a missing person's case. They're calling
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Speaker 1: it an active investigation. As a mother seventy five hundred
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Speaker 1: miles away pleads for help from anyone that can't win
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Speaker 1: as soon as possible with lor I need her, so
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Speaker 1: I need someone to help me. You know, I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at a shot of Jepsy right now, and she looks
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Speaker 1: like a model. Of course, that doesn't matter, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: You know, we take our witnesses and our victims the
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Speaker 1: way we find them. I remember one witness coming in
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Speaker 1: to court. It was in an arson case. Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: and if I could, I'm gonna remember her name in
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Speaker 1: just a moment. She came into court mid August in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: It had to be one hundred and one degrees outside.
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Speaker 1: She had on a huge, fake fur hat, and she
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Speaker 1: wreaked of booze. I know when she walked past the jury,
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Speaker 1: they went okay. But she was one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: witnesses ever because she saw what happened the night of
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Speaker 1: the arson. Oh, by the way, it was of a
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Speaker 1: whole apartment complex. The whole thing went down in flames,
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Speaker 1: so she was the only eyewitness. So you take your
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Speaker 1: witnesses and your victims as you find them. Now, that
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Speaker 1: was all went into the spectrum. Cheryl mccllum. This woman Jepsy.
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Speaker 1: She's gorgeous, beautiful, long, straight, silky black hair, perfect smile.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's natural or if that's twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of orthodontia, But this woman is gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: She is beautiful. She's also well educated. She's a hard worker,
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Speaker 1: and she's devoted to her family. She's the breadwinner. So
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Speaker 1: this is not somebody that's going to be flighty, that's
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Speaker 1: not dependable that you just have to question what her
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Speaker 1: motives are. She's a solid person that if you look
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Speaker 1: at her pattern, that's what you've got to rely on
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Speaker 1: right now. Is that pattern? Is she the person that
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Speaker 1: you know dips for a day or two here and there,
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Speaker 1: and if not, you've got to concentrate on that, you know.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that about pattern evidence too. Nicole
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Speaker 1: Dimboard Hodge Globe criminal defense attorney joining me out of
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Speaker 1: Houston and former prosecutor. Yes, it's true. Lady Justice is blind,
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Speaker 1: and I frankly don't give a fig if somebody is
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Speaker 1: a debutante or a hooker. When it comes to a
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Speaker 1: missing person or a murderer or a sex assault, Lady
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Speaker 1: Justice doesn't care, and neither do I. There is one
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Speaker 1: very critical point to a victim's background. It's exactly what
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Speaker 1: Sheryl McCollum just said. Does she go from place to
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Speaker 1: place willy nilly? Does she not report into her mom?
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Speaker 1: Does she not call home or FaceTime? Does she hold
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Speaker 1: down a job? Is she predictable or does she club
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Speaker 1: every night? Does she sleep in one place, one apartment,
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Speaker 1: one flop house after the next. That matters when you're
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Speaker 1: trying to catch a kidnapper. That's completely true. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the reality is that there is some amount of inquiry
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Speaker 1: into what happened to the victim in terms of, you know,
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Speaker 1: is this somebody else's responsibility or did they just disappear
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Speaker 1: because it's their habits do things that are unpredictable. In
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Speaker 1: this case, we know that she was very predictable and
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Speaker 1: had a very stable lifestyle, so there's no reason to
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Speaker 1: believe that she would just up and leave her family.
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Speaker 1: Another thing about this woman, Jepsy just gorgeous, woman, hard working,
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Speaker 1: a smart degree, everything you could want. Another thing about
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Speaker 1: her is that she always kept in touch with her family.
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Speaker 1: So when mom who was back home all from the Philippines,
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Speaker 1: which she doesn't hear from her, she's suspicious. She has
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Speaker 1: no idea what's going on. And doctor Angela Arnold, that's excruciating.
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Speaker 1: You know, my children just went away for the first
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Speaker 1: time without me as a volunteer to scout camp. I
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Speaker 1: nearly died not being there. Of course, they were fine,
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Speaker 1: and I knew up here they'd be fine, but being
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Speaker 1: away from them for the first time and me not
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Speaker 1: being there to save them if they needed it, it
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Speaker 1: was ate. Can you imagine what this mom's going through.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear God, it's and she's so far away and
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Speaker 1: there's no way for her to get here. And when
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Speaker 1: she gets here, who's she going to talk chill about us?
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Speaker 1: And then there's the whole lot. I mean, there's a
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Speaker 1: language barrier in all likelihood right well, so she must
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Speaker 1: just feel at such a complete and utter law. It's helplessness.
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Speaker 1: That feeling of helplessness is overwhelming. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a beautiful twenty eight year old woman,
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Speaker 1: Jepsica Linji, that goes missing seemingly into thin air. And
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Speaker 1: this woman has traveled the world. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: she travels all the way across the world after meeting
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Speaker 1: her true love online and she gets to the US
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Speaker 1: and it works, they marry. So how does she go missing?
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Speaker 1: What she makes it to the US? And we're talking
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Speaker 1: about her mother being so far away, not being able
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Speaker 1: to be in touch with her, And it reminds me
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Speaker 1: a great deal Cheryl McCollum of Natalie Holloway's mother when
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Speaker 1: she describes finding out Natalie is missing on a high
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Speaker 1: school trip in a rubite and here she is in
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Speaker 1: near Birmingham, Alabama and is not right there on the scene.
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Speaker 1: It also reminds me of Jessica Chambers dad when he
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Speaker 1: finds out something is horribly wrong and he's racing to
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Speaker 1: the hospital after his teenage daughter, the cheerleader, has been burned,
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Speaker 1: and trying to get there to see her before she dies.
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Speaker 1: That feeling of helplessness, it's awful, It is awful. And again,
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Speaker 1: just like with Natalie Holloway, she was dependable. She didn't
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Speaker 1: come home later, she didn't sneak out, she didn't have
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Speaker 1: unreliable boyfriends. So her mama knew the instant they said
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Speaker 1: Natalie didn't make it to the airport, she knew something
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Speaker 1: is bad wrong, just like this mamma. Her daughter has
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Speaker 1: traveled the world's you know, perfectly competent, going from point
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Speaker 1: eight to point B. So if she does not show
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Speaker 1: up somewhere, something is terribly wrong. And she always kept
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Speaker 1: up with her mama through social media, online, you know that, telephone,
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Speaker 1: and again, once she broke that pattern, mama knew something
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Speaker 1: was wrong, you know. And it's an innate feeling and
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Speaker 1: you cannot deny it. And I said it over and
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Speaker 1: over and over that when you have an instinct, don't
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Speaker 1: disregard it, thinking it's just a hunch. Follow it. Those
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Speaker 1: instincts are born of thousands and thousands of years of evolution.
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Speaker 1: It may be something you saw out the side of
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Speaker 1: your eye, a feeling you got, a smell, a sound,
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Speaker 1: a memory. It matters. And this mother knew something was
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Speaker 1: horribly wrong, which she did not get that FaceTime, did
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Speaker 1: not get that phone call. Take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Colorado Springs PD. In April fourth, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 1: Colorado Springs Police Department initiated a missing person case report
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Speaker 1: for twenty six year old Colorado Springs resident Jepsy Colungi.
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Speaker 1: Several unsuccessful attempts have been made by family and friends
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Speaker 1: of miss Jepse Colungy in the days leading up to
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Speaker 1: the report to make contact with her. The responding CSPD
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Speaker 1: police officer conducted a preliminary investigation and initiated a missing
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Speaker 1: person report. Through that investigation, it was discovered that the
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Speaker 1: last contact anyone had with Jepsy was in March twentieth,
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. The last contact was in March. Joining me
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Speaker 1: an all Star to make sense of what we know?
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Speaker 1: Nicole Deboard hots Globe doctor Angela Arnold, doctor Todd Barr,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum, Sydney Stell. The fact that she is not
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Speaker 1: reporting to work, the fact that she has not called
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Speaker 1: her mom very very big indicators that something is horribly wrong. Now,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: number three. This is Sam Kramer KOAA News five. Argie
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Speaker 1: tells me Jepsey moved to the US in twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: from the Philippines. She fell in love with the man
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Speaker 1: she met online, Dane Colungi of Colorado Springs, and married him.
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Speaker 1: Argie says he's the last person to have seen Jepsy
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Speaker 1: and told her he thought Jepsy was headed back to
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Speaker 1: the Philippines, Mexico or Chicago to visit friends. She hasn't
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Speaker 1: been seen since. She always to me, Joe is missing
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Speaker 1: to me, So I wonder that I'm why she said
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Speaker 1: a light You know, that is a big indicator. Now,
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Speaker 1: whether you're online or not. With such heavy social media presence,
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Speaker 1: which is prevalent in our day and age, if you're offline,
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Speaker 1: people find that very very unusual. And let me talk
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Speaker 1: to you, Cheryl McCollum, about what we call routine evidence,
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Speaker 1: and I don't mean typical run of the meal. Evidence,
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Speaker 1: I mean evidence of routine, Like what's your routine, Chryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: when you wake up in the morning, dare I hear it? Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, with a little bit of the hair of
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Speaker 1: the dog, that bitchak little hair of the dog. Talk
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Speaker 1: to wall you know, he always laughs that. I'll have
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Speaker 1: a half a cup of coffee with him, and then
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be at the police department on
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Speaker 1: duty by seven o'clock, So that's going to be my routine.
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Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll call my sister Charlene because she's a
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Speaker 1: trauma nurse and we can talk on our way to
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Speaker 1: work because we're both up driving that early and just
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Speaker 1: checking in on the events that are coming up in
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Speaker 1: the weekend or whatnot. But again, there is that pattern,
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Speaker 1: and people nowadays with these cell phones, their patterns are
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Speaker 1: very very clear and you can go back and see
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Speaker 1: exactly how they operate. So even during COVID, when people
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Speaker 1: were in the hospital and they couldn't have company or visitors,
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Speaker 1: they were still on their line posting, hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is what's going on. You know, pray for me.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm leaving the hospital Friday so those habits. People
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Speaker 1: make deposits at the bank if they have their own business.
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Speaker 1: On Wednesdays or Fridays, people go to church Wednesday night
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Speaker 1: or Sunday morning. They are creatures of habit. They go
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Speaker 1: to the same grocery store they go, you know, on
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Speaker 1: a girl's trip once a year. So again with this
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Speaker 1: missing person, when the husband says she's gone to the Philippines,
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Speaker 1: Mexico or Chicago, is her passport missing? When is the
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Speaker 1: last time she ever took a trip without him? Did?
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Speaker 1: He haven't been married that long, so she hasn't had
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Speaker 1: a chance to really establish a lot of a routine
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Speaker 1: with him. But I could see her going to visit
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Speaker 1: friends in another city. Also, what you're saying rings true.
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Speaker 1: Regarding Philippines. You have to get your passports straight. You
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Speaker 1: got to get your flight plan for overseas travel, so
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Speaker 1: that takes them doing. You don't just walk up to
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Speaker 1: the delta count and go, hey, I want to buy
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Speaker 1: your next flight home. That's something typically I think you
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Speaker 1: would prepare for. But she says she's going to see friends,
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Speaker 1: and I'm guessing he is assuming that it's Philippines or
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Speaker 1: Chicago or Mexico. But take a listen now to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox twenty one hour Cut six. Friends and
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Speaker 1: family of Jetsy Colungi have been wanting answers. You know,
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Speaker 1: she said you money, you know, so she just voted
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Speaker 1: in love her name. Ramos was close to Jepsy and
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Speaker 1: spoke to her days leading up to her disappearance in
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Speaker 1: March of twenty nineteen. She claims Jepsey wanted to work
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Speaker 1: on her marriage. After her disappearance, her friends tried to
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Speaker 1: reach out to him for help, but he told them
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Speaker 1: Jepsey left for either Chicago or the Philippines. I asked her, like, so,
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Speaker 1: why why you really have to go back with him?
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Speaker 1: And then she said, I want to try their relationship.
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Speaker 1: I want to give you I really want to give
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Speaker 1: him a second tense and you know, as a friend. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: Sydney still joining me from Kardo News Channel thirteen. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Kardo dot com. Sydney, how long
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Speaker 1: had they been married at that time she disappeared? So
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Speaker 1: they had been married for about two years at that point. Huh, well,
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Speaker 1: let me just analyze that for a moment. Two years
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Speaker 1: and you already have to give him a second chance.
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Speaker 1: Is he still under the warranty, Cheryl McCollum, Because if
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Speaker 1: you're already having problems, I mean, like a car, doesn't
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Speaker 1: you have a six month to a one year warranty,
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Speaker 1: you just take it back? Yeah, Lemon Laws, that's right,
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Speaker 1: thank you. I should know that, having worked to the
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Speaker 1: Federal Trade Comission, Lemon Law, that should be like ingrained
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Speaker 1: in my memory. But if you're already having problems where
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Speaker 1: you're giving the person a second chance, and you're just
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Speaker 1: two years in, Cheryl, the first twelve months should be
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Speaker 1: a given. I mean that should still be the honeymoon
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Speaker 1: phase for sure. So you're talking about the last twelve months,
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Speaker 1: what has happened? And again we're going back to patterns.
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Speaker 1: How often are they arguing? How often does she maybe
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Speaker 1: spend the night elsewhere or does he spend the night elsewhere. Well,
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Speaker 1: we don't have any of that spending the night out
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Speaker 1: in evidence. No, No, I'm saying that would be a
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Speaker 1: pattern you would look for if they're having trouble. Time
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Speaker 1: story he's with Nancy Greece for everybody just joining us.
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Speaker 1: We are in the midst of an investigation trying to
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Speaker 1: determine what happened to a gorgeous, twenty eight year old woman.
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Speaker 1: Her mother lives halfway around the world, is distraught when
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Speaker 1: Jepsy doesn't call. That's her habit, that's her routine. Now,
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Speaker 1: Jepsy Smart, has her four year degree, beautiful, All her
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Speaker 1: friends love her. She's well traveled, she's well versed, she's
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Speaker 1: extremely articulate, finds true love online, travels all the way
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Speaker 1: across the world to marry the husband, and they do
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Speaker 1: and seemingly are happy. But then suddenly she goes missing,
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Speaker 1: and of course the first person he'll look at is
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Speaker 1: the husband. Now we learn those two, Let's say hit
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Speaker 1: a rough patch and Jepsy have been talking to her
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Speaker 1: bestie about giving the husband a quote second chance. I'm
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Speaker 1: all for second chances. I'm all about second chances, depending
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Speaker 1: on what was the problem initially, Sidney stale k RDO.
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Speaker 1: Do we know what the marital problem was, why he
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Speaker 1: needed a second chance. We don't know specifically what their
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Speaker 1: issues were. I did talk to friends and family and
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Speaker 1: they told me that he was very controlling with her.
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Speaker 1: So he was very specific about who she could see
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Speaker 1: and when, how she used her phone, who she talked
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Speaker 1: to you on her phone, So we know that was
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Speaker 1: an issue. We also know that they did file for
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Speaker 1: divorce in October before she went missing, and then in January,
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Speaker 1: less than two months before she disappeared, they vacated that.
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Speaker 1: So they were having issues, but it seemed like they
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Speaker 1: were reconciling. Okay, Sydney Stale. You know, I'm sure I
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Speaker 1: drove every one of my hundreds of witnesses insane, especially
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Speaker 1: sorry doctor Barr, the medical examiners, because I had no
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Speaker 1: idea what they were saying. It was like another language
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Speaker 1: is start using Latin phrases and medical discussions. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: whoa stop? Okay. If I don't understand it, I doubt
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Speaker 1: people on the jury are going to understand it because
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Speaker 1: they're going to be just like me, going, what with you, Sydney? Still,
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Speaker 1: here's your problem? You know too much? So I'm drinking
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Speaker 1: from the fire hydra from you. So could you just
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Speaker 1: slow it down? And I want to hear that line
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Speaker 1: by line everything you just said. If you don't mind, Sorry, no,
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Speaker 1: you're good. Yeah. I've been covering this case now and
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Speaker 1: talking to friends and family, so I thought this they
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Speaker 1: get a little I love it. I can't get enough
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Speaker 1: information because you know what's interesting in a case, a
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Speaker 1: missing person, a murder, any case, that tiniest detail can
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Speaker 1: change everything. Just an examples, Sydney, I once was a
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Speaker 1: to figure out not from my own inductions, but from
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Speaker 1: a piece of evidence left behind it a scene. One
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Speaker 1: earring explained to me how a woman who to this
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Speaker 1: day remains a Jane Doe was killed, where she was killed.
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Speaker 1: It was very important because I was onto a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: That one earring made a difference in the way the
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Speaker 1: case played out. So just tell me again, Sidney, I'll
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Speaker 1: try to take it in a little bit better this time. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So when I spoke to friends and family, they said
22:35
Speaker 1: that Dane had been really controlling of Jeffs. So he
22:38
Speaker 1: was really specific about who she would talk to, who
22:42
Speaker 1: she would see, He was specific about how she used
22:44
Speaker 1: her phone, and so her friends told me they felt
22:47
Speaker 1: like she was in an abusive and really controlling situation.
22:51
Speaker 1: So in October, Dane and Jeffs filed for divorced. So
22:56
Speaker 1: they've been married about a year and a half at
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Speaker 1: this point. Then you know, they go through some of
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Speaker 1: the filing process and then by January they vacate that.
23:05
Speaker 1: So they decide that they're going to be back together,
23:09
Speaker 1: and less than two months later, Jeff vanishes. No one
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Speaker 1: knows where she goes, no one hears from her, and
23:14
Speaker 1: really no one hears from her again. Nicole to board
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Speaker 1: hutch Globe, joining me veteran criminal defense attorney out of Houston,
23:20
Speaker 1: former prosecutor, and you can find her at Houston criminal
23:24
Speaker 1: defense dot com. Nicole. Now, I know you and I
23:28
Speaker 1: are on the two different sides of defense, but I
23:31
Speaker 1: think we can agree on one thing. Do you ever
23:34
Speaker 1: get sick and tired of whenever a woman goes missing
23:38
Speaker 1: somebody has to say she probably ran off with a boyfriend.
23:42
Speaker 1: Did they always say that there's all kinds of excuses.
23:45
Speaker 1: You know, that the person made a choice that they
23:48
Speaker 1: have elected, whatever their punishment was or the disappearance. And
23:52
Speaker 1: in this case, there's just so much information that points
23:56
Speaker 1: to something a crime, you know, And and I think
24:00
Speaker 1: that this is going to be a lot more complicated
24:04
Speaker 1: once we get the details. You know, it never fails,
24:08
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. When a woman goes missing, people still say
24:12
Speaker 1: it about Stacy Peterson, Drew Peterson. But fifth wife, I
24:17
Speaker 1: mean Kathleen Savio, wife number one was found drowned in
24:24
Speaker 1: a bone dry bathtub covered in bruises. He got convicted
24:27
Speaker 1: on that. Finally, there are multiple wives and now Stacy
24:30
Speaker 1: goes missing. To this day, people still suggest she ran
24:34
Speaker 1: off with a boyfriend, leaving the children behind. I mean
24:39
Speaker 1: she didn't. She's dead and he killed her. Okay, why
24:43
Speaker 1: do they always say that about women? Now you've got
24:46
Speaker 1: gepsy vanishing and people some people, not me, I hope
24:52
Speaker 1: not you. Cheryl McCollum suggested, Oh, she just had a boyfriend.
24:55
Speaker 1: She did not have a boyfriend. There's no suggestion of
24:58
Speaker 1: a boyfriend in texts, and uncle's nothing. There's zero evidence
25:02
Speaker 1: that she had a boyfriend. Plus, that would not explain
25:05
Speaker 1: why she would stop communicating with her mama, and that
25:09
Speaker 1: doesn't explain why she would stop going to work, and
25:12
Speaker 1: that doesn't explain why she would stop communicate with friends.
25:15
Speaker 1: None of that pans out none. Now, Doctor Angela Arnold,
25:20
Speaker 1: you're the psychiatrist, You're the MD. I'm just a JD.
25:23
Speaker 1: But I can see people that have maybe never been
25:30
Speaker 1: lived with someone or been in a serious relationship before
25:33
Speaker 1: rankling at the confines of marriage. You got to come
25:38
Speaker 1: home to the same place, to the same person, to
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Speaker 1: the same supper table, to the same issues every single day,
25:44
Speaker 1: or bell and I could see marriage. I don't know
25:47
Speaker 1: marriage stats. I only know that mine's still together, you know,
25:51
Speaker 1: praise God. But I could see where people marry and
25:57
Speaker 1: they're like, whoa, this is not what I thought it
25:59
Speaker 1: was going to be. I'm out of here. So filing
26:02
Speaker 1: for a divorced a year and a half, that seems
26:04
Speaker 1: about right. The new shiny part is wearing off, and
26:08
Speaker 1: now you're stuck with the bills and the laundry and
26:11
Speaker 1: the cat and the dog and the plants into this
26:13
Speaker 1: and that I could see that happening. But also, this
26:19
Speaker 1: woman was described as a very responsible, very smart woman
26:23
Speaker 1: who's taking care of her family. It doesn't sound to
26:27
Speaker 1: me like she married this man to gain access to
26:30
Speaker 1: the United States. She nobody even said that, you know what,
26:34
Speaker 1: I'm shocked at you. Nobody's even said that. I know that.
26:38
Speaker 1: I that's what I said. I said, it doesn't appear
26:40
Speaker 1: that way. But what I'm saying is you we had
26:44
Speaker 1: that in everybody's minds. This woman and had a US
26:48
Speaker 1: citizenship like a fish needs a bicycle, didn't. She had
26:52
Speaker 1: everything going on from her back home exactly. And guess what,
26:56
Speaker 1: Nancy That also means to me that she saw the
27:00
Speaker 1: danger in us. Okay, this is what I'm dying to say.
27:06
Speaker 1: When people want to give someone a second chance after
27:10
Speaker 1: they've done something really horrible to them, part of the
27:14
Speaker 1: reason for that is because they're still under that person's spell.
27:20
Speaker 1: This man has taken this much time to control her
27:24
Speaker 1: and isolate her, and she's still a little bit under
27:28
Speaker 1: his spell, and she doesn't want to seem like a
27:30
Speaker 1: failure to her family back home, so she he convinced
27:35
Speaker 1: her to pull back divorce decree away. I can promise
27:37
Speaker 1: you that you know I would have a problem with
27:40
Speaker 1: this with the controlling part, Doctor Angela Arnold. The controlling part.
27:49
Speaker 1: I am a friend whose husband wants to pick out
27:53
Speaker 1: her clothes and jewelry. Oh god, oh yeah, I know.
27:58
Speaker 1: I mean, all right there, I say, Maba, But that's
28:03
Speaker 1: him as one of his idiosyncrasies. Now, this guy wants
28:07
Speaker 1: to control who she talks to on the phone. What
28:10
Speaker 1: did you tell me, Sydney? Still, she says, controlling? And
28:13
Speaker 1: how was he controlling? He was really the way the
28:16
Speaker 1: family told me, as they said, he was really specific
28:20
Speaker 1: about the way she communicated. So who she talked to?
28:22
Speaker 1: You when she met up with them, how she used
28:24
Speaker 1: her phone. He was really controlling, specifically about her cell phone.
28:29
Speaker 1: And you know, Nancy, controlling leads to isolation. Right now,
28:36
Speaker 1: we're talking about him controlling her. It would have led
28:39
Speaker 1: to isolation on her. Apart they're trying to make him happy.
28:44
Speaker 1: She cut down on her Yeah, okay, I get she
28:47
Speaker 1: cut down on communications to keep him quiet. Guys, take
28:51
Speaker 1: a listen now to our cut five. This is our
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Speaker 1: Friends kr d O New Channel thirteen. It's been more
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Speaker 1: than two years since anyone has heard from twenty six
29:02
Speaker 1: year old Jepsy Colungi. Family friend Rachel Jackson said she
29:06
Speaker 1: moved from the Philippines to the United States a few
29:08
Speaker 1: years ago. I know that she have a dissent job
29:11
Speaker 1: in the Philippines, that she have a bachelors degree, and
29:14
Speaker 1: she came over here to the usness just because she
29:16
Speaker 1: want to be in the US. She came over here
29:19
Speaker 1: and married Dane because she fall in love with Dane.
29:21
Speaker 1: Dane and Jepsy were married for about two years before
29:24
Speaker 1: she disappeared in March of twenty nineteen. Just days later,
29:27
Speaker 1: Dane moved out of the state to live in California.
29:30
Speaker 1: What Sydney still hold all just a moment he moves
29:34
Speaker 1: sounds to me like he's not expecting her to walk
29:36
Speaker 1: back in the front door. Yeah, very quickly. And that
29:40
Speaker 1: was one of the big things that Poe. Obviously they
29:43
Speaker 1: felt very suspicious. But she goes missing on March twentieth,
29:48
Speaker 1: and by early April he has moved to California to
29:51
Speaker 1: live with his dad. You know what this reminds me
29:53
Speaker 1: of Sydney still, it reminds me of Scott Peterson, who
29:58
Speaker 1: did martyr Lacy and Connor his wife an unborn child.
30:03
Speaker 1: I don't care, what's some cable outfit special, what's to
30:09
Speaker 1: say to try to get ratings? He did murder her.
30:13
Speaker 1: But remember everybody that Lacy goes missing and then he
30:18
Speaker 1: suddenly tries to sell her car and orders the porn
30:20
Speaker 1: channel like he knows she is not coming home, also
30:24
Speaker 1: tries to sell the house. I mean, it would be
30:27
Speaker 1: a cold day in h l I walk in and
30:29
Speaker 1: catch my husband watching porn on the family TV. And
30:33
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen over my cold dead body.
30:36
Speaker 1: And see that's what Peterson knew. So she goes missing
30:40
Speaker 1: and he moves within a couple of weeks, not only moves,
30:44
Speaker 1: but moves out of state. Did I understand that correct? City? Still? Yeah,
30:49
Speaker 1: his dad lives in California, and so he moved to
30:52
Speaker 1: live with his dad in califrint not even a month
30:55
Speaker 1: after she goes Missing Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
31:14
Speaker 1: take a listen, because suddenly there is a break in
31:18
Speaker 1: the case. Have you ever heard the phrase loose lips
31:22
Speaker 1: sink ships? Believe it? Dane Colungi admitted to his ex wife, Elaine,
31:27
Speaker 1: that he killed chefs. Dane's ex wife told police and
31:30
Speaker 1: then she helps them record a phone call between herself
31:33
Speaker 1: and Dane. In that call, the record show Dane said
31:35
Speaker 1: he killed Jeffsy even drove her body to a remote
31:38
Speaker 1: part of Teller County where he buried her. Chefsy Colungi's
31:42
Speaker 1: body has not been found. Did you hear that? If
31:44
Speaker 1: you didn't hear that, take a listen to Daniel Lyon
31:48
Speaker 1: at Fox twenty one. Through a recorded conversation, CSPD was
31:51
Speaker 1: able to obtain a confession. Colungi said he grabbed jets
31:55
Speaker 1: and quote tried stopping the words from coming out of
31:57
Speaker 1: her mouth and realized he did it for more been
32:00
Speaker 1: a second. Colungi went on telling his ex wife he
32:03
Speaker 1: went out to a remote area in Teller County and
32:05
Speaker 1: buried her body after digging gray for hours. Colungi was
32:09
Speaker 1: arrested in New Mexico shortly after the recorded conversation took place.
32:13
Speaker 1: Colungi then told his ex wife quote, he didn't need
32:16
Speaker 1: to do it and Jepsy didn't deserve it now. Friends
32:20
Speaker 1: of Jetsy also reached out to Dane Colungi to ask
32:22
Speaker 1: for Jepsy's whereabouts, and he told them she had either
32:25
Speaker 1: left for Chicago or the Philippines and failed to give
32:28
Speaker 1: them an address. Police say this case stem from a
32:31
Speaker 1: domestic violenced abuse case. Now. Court documents also stay Colugi
32:35
Speaker 1: was also abusive towards his ex wife. Well, I know
32:38
Speaker 1: this will make everyone crane or as my children say,
32:41
Speaker 1: that's so cringey when you don't know a horse. Look
32:44
Speaker 1: at his track record. He had a history of domestic abuse,
32:48
Speaker 1: bating his ex wife. I got another question, Cheryl McCollum.
32:52
Speaker 1: You and I've wrote the Straits as investigator and prosecutor
32:56
Speaker 1: for a really long time. Why do people have to yap?
33:00
Speaker 1: That's why I always said there's no way that O. J.
33:04
Speaker 1: Simpson was framed by a group of police because not
33:07
Speaker 1: one of them for this long could have kept their
33:10
Speaker 1: yap shut or not do a twenty million dollar book deal. Ok,
33:14
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen. Somebody is going to talk.
33:18
Speaker 1: They have to. They can't help themselves. And here he
33:21
Speaker 1: calls and tells his ex wife he murdered Jepsy. And
33:24
Speaker 1: let me just say once again, the ex wife comes through.
33:27
Speaker 1: You pick the person that you were abusive to fill
33:31
Speaker 1: your guts about how you killed your latest wife. Yeah.
33:35
Speaker 1: So that's fabulous for the prosecution first of all, and
33:39
Speaker 1: second of all, that leads to the police being able
33:43
Speaker 1: to not only move this person to the only suspect
33:47
Speaker 1: and person of interest, but gives them a way to
33:50
Speaker 1: now get some search warrants to see what they can
33:52
Speaker 1: find out that he might still present. You know, Sydney
33:56
Speaker 1: still joining me k RDA on the case from the
33:58
Speaker 1: very very beginning. This also miles with Peterson in a
34:01
Speaker 1: sense said Amber Fry his mistress while I'm still married
34:05
Speaker 1: to Lacy, actually recorded their conversations which helped make the case.
34:11
Speaker 1: Now this ex wife in the current case and the
34:14
Speaker 1: case against Jetsey's husband Dane KILLINGI she risked her life
34:21
Speaker 1: because she agreed to record a conversation. If they had
34:25
Speaker 1: not arrested him after that immediately, that he could have
34:29
Speaker 1: come and killed her. Yeah, I mean that's the possibility
34:31
Speaker 1: when you look at the past abuse. I mean it's
34:34
Speaker 1: pretty hard to it's pretty hard to look at. I mean,
34:36
Speaker 1: she and this arrest appada which she goes through. You know,
34:40
Speaker 1: I remember being strangled by being I remember going in
34:42
Speaker 1: and out of consciousness. Her twin sister who lived with them,
34:45
Speaker 1: remembers being picking her up by the throat, holding her
34:49
Speaker 1: like half a foot off the ground. So he was
34:51
Speaker 1: very abusive to her. And she said that that abuse
34:54
Speaker 1: started back in two thousand and six, so it's hard
34:57
Speaker 1: to imagine that when she finds out Jefsica was missing
34:59
Speaker 1: and she hears Dan talk about how it happens, if
35:02
Speaker 1: you didn't think, wow, that could have sen me. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, Doctor Todd M. Barr, Deputy medical Examiner,
35:08
Speaker 1: joining us out of Cleveland. You can find him at
35:11
Speaker 1: Thin Places. Essays from in between are also on Twitter
35:16
Speaker 1: at Todd Barm. Doctor Barr, thank you so much for
35:20
Speaker 1: being with us now. This body we think has been
35:24
Speaker 1: buried for a period of time in a grave that
35:28
Speaker 1: took quote hours to dig. Given the circumstances that you know,
35:35
Speaker 1: do you believe we will ever be able to prove
35:38
Speaker 1: cause of death once we find the body. If the
35:42
Speaker 1: cod is strangulation, well you know what I'm going to
35:45
Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy, say it with me. I'm going to
35:47
Speaker 1: the highoid bone. I Am looking for the highoid bone
35:51
Speaker 1: if this man is strangling her. I read the Affidavid
35:55
Speaker 1: and he said something about looking directly into her eyes
35:59
Speaker 1: as he was doing this and caused severe damage. And
36:02
Speaker 1: you know damn well that his hands on her neck
36:06
Speaker 1: exerting that pressure is going to break that hyoid bone.
36:10
Speaker 1: So I've had several cases where people have been buried
36:13
Speaker 1: for up to two years. One case was a Russian
36:17
Speaker 1: woman who was killed by her her husband and wrapped
36:20
Speaker 1: in a sheet and buried three feet deep next to
36:23
Speaker 1: a riverbed. She was only in the ground for about
36:26
Speaker 1: eight months, but remarkably, when we dug her up, she
36:30
Speaker 1: was still pretty well preserved because of the cool earth
36:33
Speaker 1: that was surrounding her for that whole entire time, and
36:36
Speaker 1: she wasn't exposed to the heat and to the flies
36:39
Speaker 1: and the maggots and all of that. Another case I had.
36:43
Speaker 1: The person's flesh had kind of disintegrated into sort of
36:47
Speaker 1: a peanut buttery mix, but we still had all of
36:51
Speaker 1: the bones, and we can extract dannate from the bones,
36:54
Speaker 1: from the fingernail beds, and we can do facial reconstruction.
36:59
Speaker 1: With forensic anthropology, we can certainly elictit certain patterns that
37:07
Speaker 1: might be found in a skeletonized body, particularly the highoid bone.
37:11
Speaker 1: If we have a fracture highoid bone, that ball I need. Wow,
37:14
Speaker 1: you're awesome. I can listen to you talk all day long. Now,
37:18
Speaker 1: not everybody wants to hear a medical examiner talk about
37:21
Speaker 1: dead bodies, but I think you're awesome for those of
37:23
Speaker 1: you our listeners that don't know what is a highoid bone.
37:27
Speaker 1: So the highoid bone, if you take your finger and
37:31
Speaker 1: run it along your jaw line, and you've got sort
37:34
Speaker 1: of the angle of the jaw that makes sort of
37:36
Speaker 1: a U shape or a V shape in the front. Well,
37:39
Speaker 1: right behind that at the floor of the mouth is
37:42
Speaker 1: where the highoid bone sits, and it's attached by a
37:45
Speaker 1: number of different muscles that hold the whole floor of
37:48
Speaker 1: the mouth together, and that's what gives you the shape
37:51
Speaker 1: of the floor of the mouth and the prominence where
37:53
Speaker 1: your chin comes out. So it really is a supportive structure.
37:57
Speaker 1: But it's right above the trachea the windpipe as people
38:01
Speaker 1: would call it, and it's intimately connected with all those
38:05
Speaker 1: next structures. So if you're affecting pressure onto those structures,
38:11
Speaker 1: they're very delicate cartilages and bones in there, and they're
38:14
Speaker 1: very easy to fracture. So it's the highoid above the
38:18
Speaker 1: atoms apple, between the atoms apple and the chin. Yes, exactly.
38:22
Speaker 1: Is it more under your is it more on your
38:26
Speaker 1: throat or more under your mouth under your tongue. It's basic.
38:30
Speaker 1: It's under your tongue at the base of the It's
38:33
Speaker 1: like if you wear your neck, if you go up,
38:36
Speaker 1: you find your atoms apple and then at that angle
38:39
Speaker 1: where your chin starts to jut out, that's where the
38:42
Speaker 1: highoid bone lives. Okay, between those two like equidistance. Um,
38:46
Speaker 1: it's pretty well centered right under your chin. Got it.
38:51
Speaker 1: So let's just say that she is buried in this
38:55
Speaker 1: gray that he's talked about told his ex wife back
38:57
Speaker 1: because he can possibly keep his mouth. Do you believe
39:03
Speaker 1: she will be skeletonized? It depends on the conditions of
39:08
Speaker 1: where she was buried, how deep she was buried, what
39:10
Speaker 1: the aeration was like. Um, it's quite possible that she
39:15
Speaker 1: If it's a very arid or dry area, she could
39:18
Speaker 1: be mummified. If she's still wearing her clothing, certain parts
39:23
Speaker 1: of the skin may be a little more preserved than
39:25
Speaker 1: other parts of her body. It really depends on a
39:29
Speaker 1: lot of conditions. But regardless, even if she's completely skeletonized,
39:34
Speaker 1: there's still so much information that we can get. You know,
39:37
Speaker 1: she may even have if he's beat her before, she
39:39
Speaker 1: may have skull fractures or facial bone fractures. That could
39:44
Speaker 1: be all. You know, we would be looking at all
39:46
Speaker 1: kinds of surfaces of different bones to to look for
39:50
Speaker 1: any kind of injury pattern. And here's the rub in
39:54
Speaker 1: our jurisprident system. A person cannot be tried and convicted
39:58
Speaker 1: based on a can fashion alone. That's the law, whether
40:03
Speaker 1: we like it or not. So that's why we Truer
40:09
Speaker 1: words were never spoken, Doctor Todd m bar joining me
40:13
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland. Truer words were never spoken. We need
40:18
Speaker 1: that body. We wait as justice unfold. If you have information,
40:23
Speaker 1: please call seven one nine four four four seven thousand,
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Speaker 1: repeat seven one nine four four four seven thousand, Goodbye friend,