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The Kenny Report | 24 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me for another week here on
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Speaker 2: the Kenny Report Tonight, Labor in deep trouble in the polls,
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Speaker 2: so they roll out the medi scare campaign all over again.
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Speaker 2: I'll have Shadow Health Minister and Rust and live as
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Speaker 2: well as polling analysis from former Labor Senator John Black.
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Speaker 2: China rattles its saber in the Tasman Sea. Was our
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's response strong enough? I think you know the answer.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk to Michael Shubridge with the Pope still in
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Speaker 2: hospital and still gravely ill.
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Speaker 1: I'll cross to Sophie Ellsworth.
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Speaker 2: In Rome and I'll show you why the anti Israel
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Speaker 2: and pro Palestinian protesters should finally admit their grave errors
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Speaker 2: and accept their shame.
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Speaker 1: Great panel, as.
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Speaker 2: Always on a Monday with gemmyton Uni and CAROLINEA also
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Speaker 2: will cut through all of those issues and more.
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Speaker 1: The Poles are heading south for Labor.
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Speaker 2: Albanezi and his team are getting desperate, so the policies
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Speaker 2: get increasingly reckless. More and more of your tax dollars
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Speaker 2: are thrown around, and because of the lies and scare
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Speaker 2: campaigns of the past, the Coalition matches that you'll conceived
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Speaker 2: spenderthons or risks being beaten by Labor lies. That's the
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Speaker 2: sorry state of national politics. And the election campaign hasn't
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Speaker 2: even started yet. Let me step you through this, starting
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Speaker 2: with the polls. Two major polls out today in the
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Speaker 2: nine media stable have the Coalition lead extending to at
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Speaker 2: least fifty two to forty eight to two party preferred,
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Speaker 2: or possibly as high as fifty five forty five according
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Speaker 2: to one of the poles. Suddenly every cocker two in
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Speaker 2: every pet shop is saying that a change of government
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Speaker 2: is a distinct possibility, something that viewers of this program
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Speaker 2: have known for the best part of a year. Facing
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Speaker 2: minority government most likely, or even the possibility of being
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Speaker 2: defeated by Dutton and the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: We haven't lost in news poll since I've been Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Well you have now, Albo, you have now. I wonder
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Speaker 2: how the Labor caucus feels about the Prime Minister's leadership.
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Speaker 1: The big question is whether.
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Speaker 2: Albanese can lead Labor to victory again or whether he
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Speaker 2: presides over the first one term federal government since nineteen
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Speaker 2: thirty one. Next year is a federal election year. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezi could be facing his Alamo.
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Speaker 1: He is floundering.
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Speaker 2: And the thing is that Labor knows it now, and
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Speaker 2: that's why they're getting desperate, and that's why they're going
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Speaker 2: to their tried and tested bag of dirty political tricks.
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Speaker 1: That's why we.
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Speaker 2: Got the weekend Medicare bulk billing announcement. Not because this
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Speaker 2: is the best way to spend an extra eight billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: not because this is the best way to improve healthcare
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Speaker 2: in this country, but because Labor thought this was a splurge.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition couldn't bring themselves to match. Giving Labor the
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Speaker 2: fight over Medicare they desperately want.
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Speaker 4: The only way to stop them, the only.
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Speaker 5: Way to protect Medicare, strengthen it and secure it for
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Speaker 5: all is to re elect our Labor government.
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Speaker 2: But the Coalition, whatever they really think of the policy,
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Speaker 2: matched it quickly, and today Peter Dutton even said they'd
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Speaker 2: pay for it with their plan to cut back Labour's
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Speaker 2: expansion of the public service by thirty six thousand positions.
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Speaker 6: If you're voting for Labor at the next election, you're
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Speaker 6: voting for Anthony Albanezi and Adam bant A Labour Green's government,
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Speaker 6: which would be a disaster for the economy, and we
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Speaker 6: have looked at how we can fund this and how
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Speaker 6: we can prudently provide this sum of money.
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Speaker 1: But never mind the facts.
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Speaker 2: Even though bog billing was higher under the Coalition, Labor
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Speaker 2: is determined to have this scrap over Medicare.
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Speaker 7: This is a man who simply cannot be trusted on Medicare.
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Speaker 7: And why on earth would any Australian trust the man
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Speaker 7: who created this mess in the first place to fix
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Speaker 7: it up. Only labor can be trusted to strengthen Medicare
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Speaker 7: for our future.
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Speaker 2: You only have to go back to the twenty sixteen
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Speaker 2: election to see how low Labor will go on this stuff.
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Speaker 2: That's when they set out text messages made to look
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Speaker 2: like they actually came from Medicare itself, warning that the
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Speaker 2: Coalition would privatize Medicare.
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Speaker 1: It was a baseless.
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Speaker 2: Lie, but it almost won them government and that sure
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Speaker 2: fired up the then Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: There were text messages being sent to thousands of people
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Speaker 8: across Australia saying that Medicare was about to be privatized
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Speaker 8: by the Liberal Party and the message and the message,
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Speaker 8: the message, the SMS message came from Medicare, It said
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Speaker 8: a cabra Medicare an extraordinary act of dishonesty. No doubt
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Speaker 8: the police will investigate.
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Speaker 2: Well, the police did investigate, but they decided that no
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Speaker 2: federal laws were broken. Still now we're seeing, of course,
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Speaker 2: another medi scare campaign. Remember I've shown you this deceptive
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Speaker 2: clip put together by Labor.
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Speaker 9: We're very clear about this. Medicare is dead. They can't
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Speaker 9: be for free. We have to pay for a world
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Speaker 9: class medical system. We are determined to send a price
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Speaker 9: signal so that we can move away from the view
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Speaker 9: that everything can be for free in health in this
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Speaker 9: country because it can't be.
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Speaker 1: Authorized by p Erickson alp camera.
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Speaker 2: Just malicious, deceptive fake news. That's what our politics has
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Speaker 2: come to. That's what we're going to hear from Labor.
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Speaker 2: Forget about your cost of living, forget about your skyrotting,
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Speaker 2: rocketing power prices.
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Speaker 1: Just don't vote for the coalition because they'll destroy Mediicare.
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Speaker 2: Just why they would want to destroy Medicare or how
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Speaker 2: they could destroy Medicare has never explained.
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Speaker 1: This is where Labor often underestimates.
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Speaker 2: The intelligence of voters, expecting them to fall for this
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Speaker 2: sort of nasty and illogical stunt. Maybe that's part of
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Speaker 2: the reason they're flailing in the polls. The events of
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Speaker 2: the past few days have highlighted something else about the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister that's deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Let me share an example or two.
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Speaker 2: We had the alarming and insulting news late last week
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Speaker 2: about Chinese warships not only cruising close to Australia in
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Speaker 2: the Tasman Sea, but then conducting live fire exercises that
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Speaker 2: forced passenger jets to avoid the area. This is intimidating, frightening,
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Speaker 2: and it's not the behavior of a friend. I couldn't
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Speaker 2: help myself on the weekend posting on Instagram that the
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Speaker 2: Tasman Sea had now become the Gulf of China. The
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Speaker 2: point that the same people who go into hysterics about
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Speaker 2: everything the US President Donald Trump says or does, well,
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Speaker 2: they seem relaxed and comfortable about this naval bullying from China.
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Speaker 2: Listen to Anthony Alberanezi. He was defensive, uncertain and meek.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 5: China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that it
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Speaker 5: would be conducting these activities, including the potential use of
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Speaker 5: live fire. It's outside of Australia's Exclusive Economic Zone.
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Speaker 2: Wow, just what Beijing would want it's handsome boy to say, Hey,
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Speaker 2: not angry, not passionate, just calm and compliant.
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Speaker 1: And then I was thinking, what about the other things that.
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Speaker 2: Make me angry, that generate passionate responses, Things that should
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Speaker 2: outrage us and prompt us to speak up assertively, like
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Speaker 2: the rise of anti Semitis. We've never seen Albo's hackles
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Speaker 2: raised by this scourge, never seen him angry or upset on.
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Speaker 5: The issue of anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: We have a very clear position.
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Speaker 5: I want to see people who are perpetrators of this
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Speaker 5: what are crimes hunted down, put in the clink and
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Speaker 5: dealt with.
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Speaker 1: That's what I want.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, he's defensive and uncertain. Why I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: If you can't be upset and passionate about threats to
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Speaker 2: our sovereignty or threats against our citizens and threats to
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Speaker 2: our social compact, then what will get you angry? Well,
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Speaker 2: for Albow, it's only the coalition. The only time you
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Speaker 2: see him speak with force and without the arms and
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Speaker 2: rs with real passion is when he's having a go
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Speaker 2: at the coalition.
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Speaker 5: The only people that I've seen disappointed by the Reserve
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Speaker 5: Bank governor is well, I don't know what Peter Dutton thinks,
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Speaker 5: because no one's seen him since the announcement by Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 5: Look like someone who had run over his cat in
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Speaker 5: the driveway yesterday.
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Speaker 3: He looks so disappointed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it stark, isn't it. Suddenly there's some feeling a
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Speaker 2: prime minister who doesn't get head up about threats to
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Speaker 2: his country but always gets head up about his political opponents. Still,
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Speaker 2: we can't say that he hasn't always been honest and
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Speaker 2: up front about this.
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Speaker 3: I like fighting Tories. That's what I do. That's what
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Speaker 3: I do. I like fighting Tories. That's what I do.
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Speaker 3: That's what I do.
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Speaker 2: Sure how we get that class warfare stuff, even if
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Speaker 2: we don't agree with it, But what Australia needs is
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Speaker 2: a prime minister who's keen to fight those who would
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Speaker 2: do Australia arm our enemies from the outside and within.
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Speaker 2: Those are the most important fights that we need our
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Speaker 2: prime ministers to fire up for and ALBERNIZI just doesn't
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Speaker 2: seem to have the ticker for any of that. We
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Speaker 2: need to note that it's three years today since Russia
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Speaker 2: invaded Ukraine. At the time, many people expected Ukraine to
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Speaker 2: disappear under a Russian yoke within weeks.
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Speaker 1: But the fights shown by the.
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian people and their leader of Vladimir Zelenski has been extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: They have over time been heavily supported by European nations,
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Speaker 2: the US importantly and Australia, but never boots on the
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Speaker 2: ground for fear of expanding the war, and never enough
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Speaker 2: to deliver victory. US President Donald Trump's recent provocations, including
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Speaker 2: criticism of Zelensky as a dictator and praise for Russian
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Speaker 2: leader Vladimir Houtin, has been deeply worrying. The New York
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Speaker 2: Post summed it up best with a front page showing
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Speaker 2: Trump what a real dictator looks like. The world needs
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump to stand by Ukraine and stand up to Moscow.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Trump is right, of course, to put pressure on the
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Speaker 2: Europeans to do more to guarantee their own security, and
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Speaker 2: let's hope his bluster is aimed more at getting Europe
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Speaker 2: to stump up than it is at getting Ukraine to
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Speaker 2: back down. We can't really judge his diplomacy here until
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Speaker 2: we see the results. Fears about appeasing Russia and abandoning
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Speaker 2: Ukraine can only be allayed by a fair and strong outcome.
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Speaker 2: But three years on we can dare to believe that
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Speaker 2: a lasting peace might be closer. If Russia is held back.
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Speaker 2: Then there will be a secondary message to the rest
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Speaker 2: of the world, including Australia, and that is that under
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Speaker 2: Trump's America, allies can't expect a free ride. They will
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Speaker 2: be expected to do more load sharing with the US.
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Speaker 2: The lessons for Australia, by the way, are critical. More
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Speaker 2: reasons we need to spend more on the fence and
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Speaker 2: do it more wisely, and more reasons too that we
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Speaker 2: need to stop sending ourselves broke and weak with energy
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Speaker 2: self harm when we need to seek energy strength and
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Speaker 2: security through nuclear as well as other sources. In Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: Zelenski says he'd happily stand aside now if his country
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Speaker 2: could be admitted to NATO, but that being a Russian
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Speaker 2: red line, the ONUS ultimately falls to Trump to find
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Speaker 2: an alternative security guarantee.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope he can.
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Speaker 2: Around this country right now, around the world, right now,
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Speaker 2: there should be thousands, tens of thousands, millions of protesters, activists,
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Speaker 2: university students and staff, journalists and politicians who are deeply
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Speaker 2: ashamed the anti Israel pro Hummus brigades that have rallied
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Speaker 2: in our streets and spread their bile and false claims
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Speaker 2: in the media. The people who have blamed Israel for
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Speaker 2: massacres of civilians that did not happen, who have accused
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Speaker 2: Israel the Jewish people no less, of perpetrating a genocide,
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Speaker 2: The people who have claimed the Palestinian people were being starved,
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Speaker 2: and all the while these people have claimed that humm
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Speaker 2: Us is some kind of legitimate Palestinian liberation force. Well,
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Speaker 2: all these people should finally admit their folly, admit their lies,
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Speaker 2: and admit their mistakes. Because here is Hummaus on display
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Speaker 2: and still in control of Gaza. Here are the Hummus
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Speaker 2: terrorists slinking out of their civilian clothes and back into
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Speaker 2: military uniforms, now to the ceasefires in place, but still
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Speaker 2: not brave enough to show their faces as they parade around,
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Speaker 2: heavily armed in grotesque ceremonies to hand over the year
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Speaker 2: old bodies of the innocence they killed. One of the
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Speaker 2: victims held dead for longer than he was ever alive.
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Speaker 2: Heavily armed terrorist soldiers brave enough to slaughter nine month
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Speaker 2: old Kafir Bibas, four year old Ari Old Bibas and
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Speaker 2: their mother, thirty two year old Shiri. This after they'd
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Speaker 2: slaughtered Shiri's parents along with twelve hundred others on October seventh,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. This is the repugnant organization and in
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Speaker 2: humored hatred that the protesters have been giving sucker to.
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Speaker 2: They have been quiet of late, the protesters. I wonder why,
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Speaker 2: and have a close look at what's on display in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: In this place where everybody was supposed to be starving,
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Speaker 2: healthy people including women and children, turn up to watch
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Speaker 2: the macabre ceremonies that celebrate death and mock the Jews.
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Speaker 2: There is staging, there's music, there's choreography, and even banners
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Speaker 2: emblazoned somehow with pictures of the victims putred, celebrations of
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Speaker 2: the slaughter of children, with Palestinian children encouraged to view
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Speaker 2: it as a party. This sickness only serves to highlight
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Speaker 2: how complicit the Western world has been for more than
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Speaker 2: sixteen months now, not doing enough to demand the return
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Speaker 2: of hostages, putting more pressure on Israel than on Humas,
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Speaker 2: and playing into the hands of the death cult propagandists.
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Speaker 2: I hope they continue to watch this revolting pantomime, and
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Speaker 2: I hope they are deeply ashamed. Pro Testers only give
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Speaker 2: encouragement to this hatred. The protesters and their apologists in
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Speaker 2: the media and politics mount the same arguments we.
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Speaker 1: Hear from the Islamist extremists.
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Speaker 2: They can't disassociate themselves from this theater of torment because
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Speaker 2: they have excused this and worse for almost a year
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Speaker 2: and a half.
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Speaker 1: And I hope they compare it.
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Speaker 2: To the quiet dignity we saw in Israel when, after
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Speaker 2: Hamas first sent back the wrong body, the remains of
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Speaker 2: Shii Bibas were driven to a forensics facility at two
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Speaker 2: forty five am in the middle of the night, and
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Speaker 2: fellow Israeli's line the streets to quietly honor her. Shii
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Speaker 2: Bibas lives on as the epitome of motherhood.
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Speaker 1: Let her be with her boys forever.
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Speaker 2: But never forget what an Australian Muslim cleric was doing
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Speaker 2: during those very first hours when the Bibas family had
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Speaker 2: been taken hostage, When they had been taken hostage at
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Speaker 2: gunpoint and dragged into Gaza with more than two hundred
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Speaker 2: other people, while another twelve hundred Israelis were left slaughtered
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Speaker 2: in southern Israel. While all that was happening, this was
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Speaker 2: happening in Sydney's Lakember.
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Speaker 1: I'm smiling, I'm smiling, and I'm happy. I'm in Naydan.
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Speaker 10: It's a day of courage fall.
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Speaker 2: It's now been revealed through The Australian that this very
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Speaker 2: same cleric has been suggesting to supporters this past weekend
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Speaker 2: that the scourge of anti Semitism in Australia is fake.
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Speaker 2: When will the AZO boss tell Australians if Moss had
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Speaker 2: had anything to do with the wave of manufactured anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic attacks conducted by known criminals. Shape de Don told
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Speaker 2: his supporters, yep, more vile hatred being preached on our shores,
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Speaker 2: and dedune.
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Speaker 1: Is associated is associated.
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Speaker 2: With groups that get government funding, taxpayers money being used against.
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Speaker 1: The nation's interests.
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Speaker 2: If you ask me, it's one of the problems we
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Speaker 2: raised at the Anti Semitism summit last week where there
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Speaker 2: are organizations, be they charities, schools, community groups, religious bodies
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Speaker 2: are actually preaching hatred and in receipt of government funding.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't government do more there to defund them, at.
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Speaker 11: Least without any equivocation, any individual who is employing individuals
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Speaker 11: who are engaging in speech like this, or any groups
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Speaker 11: which are refusing to without equivocation, condemn acts of hate
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Speaker 11: on our street or by justifying acts of anti Semitism,
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Speaker 11: they deserve to lose their state or federal funding immediately.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Shadow Home Affairs Minister has come out
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Speaker 2: strongly on this today.
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Speaker 12: This is a shake which is associated with a number
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Speaker 12: of publicly funded community organizations. These are organizations which received
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Speaker 12: taxpayers money, including for the promotion of social cohesion on
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Speaker 12: Tony Burke's watch as Home Affairs Minister. Now, if you
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Speaker 12: give hate preachers taxpayers money to ferment dissent in our
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Speaker 12: community rather than social cohesion, then it's no wonder we
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Speaker 12: have the anti semitism crisis we do. And Tony Burk
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Speaker 12: should put the national interest for his political interest and
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Speaker 12: he should rescind this funding and any organization associated with
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Speaker 12: Shape Too or other extremist preachers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, it's the least the government could do.
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Speaker 2: It's the least we could expect, but it's probably more
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Speaker 2: than we'll see. People in the West need to wake
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Speaker 2: up opposing hatred, opposing slaughter and opposing evil should not
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Speaker 2: be a difficult choice. Let's go back to domestic issues
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Speaker 2: now and talk to Anne Rustin, who's the shadow health minister.
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Speaker 1: She joins me live from Canberra. Good to talk to you. Anne.
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Speaker 2: If you're a health minister tomorrow and you had eight
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Speaker 2: billion dollars to improve healthcare across the country, would the
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Speaker 2: government's bob billing in initiative be the best use of
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Speaker 2: that money?
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Speaker 13: Well, Chris, there is absolutely no doubt that the crisis
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Speaker 13: that is before Australia's healthcare system is a crisis of
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Speaker 13: primary care. It's a crisis of Medicare and it's quite frankly,
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Speaker 13: a crisis where Australians can't afford to see their doctor.
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Speaker 13: At last year, one point five million Australians said they
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Speaker 13: didn't go to their GP because they simply couldn't afford it.
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Speaker 13: So there is no doubt at all the most important
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Speaker 13: investment that any government can make is to make sure
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Speaker 13: that we have affordable and accessible primary health care for
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Speaker 13: all Australians.
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Speaker 2: But is this sorry to interrupt, but is this the
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Speaker 2: government's plan, this eight billion dollar plan that you've matched,
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Speaker 2: Is that the best way to deliver higher rates of
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Speaker 2: bulk billing because you had much higher rates of bulk
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Speaker 2: billing when the Coalition was last in government without this plan.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a really good point there, Chris.
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Speaker 13: And the fact is that when we first came to
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Speaker 13: government in twenty and thirteen, bulk billing rates were at
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Speaker 13: eighty two percent. Peter Dunton got them up to eighty
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Speaker 13: four percent. They then continued to rise up to eighty
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Speaker 13: six percent before the pandemic. They went up to eighty
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Speaker 13: eight percent during the pandemic. And since this government has
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Speaker 13: been in power, we have seen bulk billing rates plummet
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Speaker 13: to seventy seven percent, like eleven percent. And so what
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Speaker 13: we're seeing is that we are now having to make
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Speaker 13: this extraordinary commitment to investing in primary care just to
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Speaker 13: fix the mess of this government's over the last three years.
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Speaker 13: And just as another example, the government are saying in
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Speaker 13: terms of increasing the number of visits to gps that
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Speaker 13: are bulk builder, they will increase by twenty million a
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Speaker 13: year overcoming years with this in new investment. Last year alone,
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Speaker 13: forty million less bulk build visits than they were in
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Speaker 13: the last year of the coalition government. So I think
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Speaker 13: this all clearly points to the fact that the last
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Speaker 13: three years have been a disaster in healthcare for Australians
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Speaker 13: and what we need now is to make this big
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Speaker 13: investment so that we can get a healthcare system back
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Speaker 13: on an even kill and we can get Australians being
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Speaker 13: able to get access to affordable healthcare, which is something
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Speaker 13: they just don't have at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Isn't this going to just lead to more of these
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Speaker 2: big clinics clinics though, where they just churn through bulk
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Speaker 2: build patients and people go there for everything that's quick
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Speaker 2: and easy, like a doctor's certificate or a JAB, but
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Speaker 2: when they want real consultation and longer visits, they'll go
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Speaker 2: to their own GPS or then stuck with the longer
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Speaker 2: and less profitable medicine. And you only exacerbate the problem
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Speaker 2: in the end because they have the charge for that.
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean eight point five a billion dollar investment
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Speaker 13: in primary care is a big investment, and with obviously
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Speaker 13: it is really important that we do have that ground
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Speaker 13: you know that got grassroots investment in primary care because
23:16
Speaker 13: the reality is that if we have a strong primary
23:19
Speaker 13: care system, we'll see a healthy Australian Because right now
23:23
Speaker 13: what we're seeing is people not going to the doctor
23:25
Speaker 13: and they're ending up in the emergency departments of hospitals.
23:27
Speaker 13: And not only is that bad for the patients they're
23:30
Speaker 13: sick of by the time they're actually receiving care, but
23:32
Speaker 13: it's also really bad because it's a much more expensive
23:35
Speaker 13: place for people to be able to get that sort
23:37
Speaker 13: of care. So we need to make sure that we've
23:39
Speaker 13: got a blanket, you know, grassroots investment in getting primary
23:43
Speaker 13: care back up to where it needs to be. That's
23:46
Speaker 13: not to say there isn't more work into the future,
23:48
Speaker 13: but right now, the crisis that's before us is Australian
23:50
Speaker 13: simply can't afford to go to the doctor and that
23:54
Speaker 13: needs to be fixed.
23:55
Speaker 1: Isn't the real issue here though.
23:57
Speaker 2: One of the other problems, the political issue, if you
23:59
Speaker 2: like the policy, is that labor have been so effective
24:03
Speaker 2: and so deadly in their are tax over medicare in
24:05
Speaker 2: the past, no matter how deceptive they've been, that you
24:09
Speaker 2: can't afford to differ with them on any of these policies.
24:12
Speaker 2: You can't afford to propose any new reforms because they'll
24:15
Speaker 2: mount a scare campaign and you have to match anything
24:18
Speaker 2: they promise because otherwise you'll cop that same scare campaign.
24:23
Speaker 13: Well, what I'd ask Australians to do is to look
24:26
Speaker 13: at the facts, and the facts are absolutely indisputable. When
24:29
Speaker 13: it comes to the track record of this government. You know,
24:32
Speaker 13: it's been never been harder or more expensive to see
24:34
Speaker 13: a doctor. Out of pocket costs to the highest they've
24:37
Speaker 13: ever been. One point five million Australians avoided going to
24:39
Speaker 13: see the GP because they simply couldn't.
24:41
Speaker 1: Afford to do it.
24:42
Speaker 13: Bulk billing rates have plummeted by eleven percent in less
24:45
Speaker 13: than three years. I mean, all of these statistics are
24:47
Speaker 13: absolutely irrefutable. But what is really disappointing is I think
24:51
Speaker 13: Australians deserve better than their government lying to them about
24:55
Speaker 13: something as important as healthcare simply to get themselves reelect.
25:00
Speaker 13: I think it's disgusting. But we've seen this medi scare
25:02
Speaker 13: campaign rolled out over successive elections and clearly they're going
25:06
Speaker 13: to roll this one out again because that's all that
25:08
Speaker 13: they've got in their barrel to shoot at this election.
25:10
Speaker 13: But I think Australians are actually much cleverer than that.
25:13
Speaker 13: They've seen this before. They know it's not true. The
25:16
Speaker 13: facts are there for them to see you quite clearly,
25:19
Speaker 13: and they know every time they go to see their
25:21
Speaker 13: doctor if they can get in, how much it's costing
25:24
Speaker 13: them when they go to pay the bill. So I
25:25
Speaker 13: think the government can spin everything they like. They can
25:28
Speaker 13: tell as many lies as they like to cover up
25:31
Speaker 13: of their failings in health. But Australians aren't stupid. They
25:34
Speaker 13: feel it every day in their hip pocket because the
25:36
Speaker 13: reality is health is just another one of the victims
25:39
Speaker 13: of this government's cost of living crisis.
25:41
Speaker 2: And Rustin thanks so much for joining us, will stay
25:44
Speaker 2: in camber and they go and go to Michael Shedbridge
25:46
Speaker 2: with Strategic Analysis Australia joining us live again.
25:50
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Michael.
25:51
Speaker 2: How seriously should we be worried about these live fire
25:55
Speaker 2: exercises And now I was going to say unannounced, but
25:58
Speaker 2: they are announced with short notice in the Tasman.
26:02
Speaker 14: Sea, Chris, we should be very worried because they risk
26:08
Speaker 14: shooting down civilian airliners. So the fact they're late or
26:13
Speaker 14: no notice and civilian airliners have to divert urgently, that
26:18
Speaker 14: shows the real risk and trigger happy military people who
26:22
Speaker 14: behave unprofessionally as the Chinese do, can shoot down civilian airliners.
26:28
Speaker 14: The Russians did that with Malaysian air Flight seventeen back
26:33
Speaker 14: in twenty fourteen, killing all two hundred and ninety eight
26:36
Speaker 14: people on board. So it's dangerous in and of itself,
26:40
Speaker 14: but it's a sign of China growing their military presence
26:44
Speaker 14: in our peaceful South Pacific neighborhood. That's even more disturbing.
26:48
Speaker 1: Let's just have a look at what the Chinese are
26:50
Speaker 1: saying from Beijing.
26:54
Speaker 15: China has acknowledged what it has called training in Distant Seas.
26:59
Speaker 13: Shoot them exercises, maintained safe standard and professional operations, and
27:03
Speaker 13: followed international laws and practice.
27:06
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that disturbs me, Michael,
27:08
Speaker 2: is that the explanation we heard from our own Prime Minister,
27:12
Speaker 2: Anthony Alberaneesi was pretty similar.
27:14
Speaker 1: He said, oh, this is all legal, this is all okay.
27:18
Speaker 14: Yes, he's fallen straight into Beijing's plans here. He sounds
27:23
Speaker 14: like he's congratulating them on the safety and legality. He
27:27
Speaker 14: has no explanation for why Quantus Emirates and New Zealand
27:31
Speaker 14: Airline pilots had to divert urgently because he can't admit
27:36
Speaker 14: that his stabilized relationship with China is actually highly unstable,
27:41
Speaker 14: and it's very disturbing to me that he doesn't even
27:45
Speaker 14: want to mention that the Chinese military's behavior is unprofessional
27:49
Speaker 14: and dangerous.
27:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we might want, we might dare to dream
27:54
Speaker 2: that this sort of thing might cause the New Zealanders
27:57
Speaker 2: to wake up and reconsider their nuclear ship span too,
28:00
Speaker 2: but that'll take a while. I just want to go
28:02
Speaker 2: to another issue while we've got you, and that is Ukraine.
28:05
Speaker 2: Let's hear the latest here from Vladimir Zelenski.
28:10
Speaker 16: If it's about peace in Ukraine and you really want
28:12
Speaker 16: me to leave my position, I am ready to do that. Secondly,
28:16
Speaker 16: I can exchange it for NATO if there is such
28:18
Speaker 16: an opportunity.
28:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, admission of Ukraine into NATO is a red
28:23
Speaker 2: line for the Russians. How worried are you now about
28:26
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and.
28:27
Speaker 1: What he would give away here the.
28:31
Speaker 2: Apparent if you take him at his word his appeasement
28:35
Speaker 2: of Vladimir Putin.
28:38
Speaker 14: Well, it's all bad news for security and any American
28:43
Speaker 14: ally to have mister Trump have as his starting point
28:48
Speaker 14: all of mister Putin's demands from very early in the war.
28:52
Speaker 14: So the terms that we're hearing, they want to negotiate
28:56
Speaker 14: are the ones that Russia presented in Istanbul, just a
28:59
Speaker 14: couple of months into the war, when Russia was still
29:03
Speaker 14: making major advances, And that completely discounts everything that's happened since.
29:10
Speaker 14: The courage and ability of the Ukrainian military and people
29:14
Speaker 14: all built on support of America, Europe and even Australia.
29:18
Speaker 14: So it's disturbing to think of Vladimir Putin and Donald
29:23
Speaker 14: Trump on one side of the table negotiating the end
29:26
Speaker 14: of the war with the Europeans and President Zelenski from
29:29
Speaker 14: Ukraine on the other side of the table.
29:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a shocking way to look at it. But
29:34
Speaker 2: that's how it appears just at the moment. Thanks so
29:37
Speaker 2: much for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it. Michael Schubridge
29:40
Speaker 2: there live from a camera. We're going to take a break.
29:42
Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm going to talk about these
29:44
Speaker 2: polls that have labor slumping badly and widely. I'll catch
29:48
Speaker 2: up with John Black, former Labor senator, and a polling analysis.
29:57
Speaker 1: Let's get into this polling situation on the eve of
29:59
Speaker 1: the action.
30:00
Speaker 2: Of course, as I said at the top of the program,
30:01
Speaker 2: the polls are heading south for labor, forcing that Party
30:05
Speaker 2: to dig into their bag of dirty political tricks. Here's
30:08
Speaker 2: Peter Stephanovic running through the numbers on Sky this morning.
30:12
Speaker 16: The Coalition has extended its lead over Labor. The latest
30:16
Speaker 16: Freshwater Strategy poll on the Financial Review shows the Coalition
30:20
Speaker 16: ahead of Labor by fifty two to forty eight percent.
30:23
Speaker 16: That's two party preferred. This is up from fifty one
30:27
Speaker 16: to forty nine percent. Moving things to resolve now on
30:31
Speaker 16: the City Morning Herald. In the Age, it reports a
30:33
Speaker 16: greater gap between the parties resolves strategic, revealing the Coalition
30:38
Speaker 16: leads Labor significant margin fifty five to forty five.
30:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few of them would have been choking on
30:46
Speaker 2: their wedders this morning, wouldn't they. Let's bring in former
30:49
Speaker 2: Labour senator and respected polling analyst John Black, joining us
30:53
Speaker 2: live from Brisbane. Good to talk to you, John.
30:55
Speaker 1: I've heard a.
30:56
Speaker 2: Lot of people try to dismiss the resolved poll here,
30:58
Speaker 2: the fifty five forty five one, as.
31:00
Speaker 1: Being an outlier.
31:02
Speaker 2: I'm interested to hear what terminology you would use, because
31:05
Speaker 2: no one's surprised at the fifty two to forty eight result.
31:08
Speaker 2: And all of this combined with Newspole and Essential all
31:14
Speaker 2: shows the same trend at the moment.
31:17
Speaker 17: Look, all of the polls Chris are showing the same trend,
31:19
Speaker 17: and it's down for Labor. It's down more in primary
31:23
Speaker 17: votes than it is in two party preferred votes, but
31:25
Speaker 17: the directions down as far as.
31:27
Speaker 4: Of a resold pole goes, there seem to be a lot.
31:29
Speaker 17: Of leakage from Labour's primary vote in places like New
31:32
Speaker 17: South Wales to one Nation and independence.
31:35
Speaker 4: And so on.
31:36
Speaker 17: But I had a closer look at the primary votes
31:38
Speaker 17: and I allocated them myself based on what we knew
31:41
Speaker 17: was the allocation of preferences of the last election, and
31:44
Speaker 17: I came up with a two party preferred vote for
31:47
Speaker 17: Labor of about forty seven, So that's within one percent
31:50
Speaker 17: of the others.
31:52
Speaker 4: I think the bottom line here is.
31:53
Speaker 17: That they're all heading in the same direction, and that
31:57
Speaker 17: is extremely worrying for Labor.
32:00
Speaker 1: Now.
32:00
Speaker 2: Neither major party would be excited about their primary vote.
32:04
Speaker 2: We're seeing over a long period now but increasing trend
32:08
Speaker 2: towards minor parties and independence.
32:11
Speaker 1: How much more.
32:12
Speaker 2: Difficult does that make it for polsters because so much
32:16
Speaker 2: of it that popular vote involves trying to work out
32:19
Speaker 2: where those preferences are going to go.
32:22
Speaker 17: Look, it makes it very hard Chris spread old Batler
32:25
Speaker 17: like herself to try and work out a two party
32:27
Speaker 17: preferred vote. I actually gave up after the twenty two election.
32:31
Speaker 17: I don't do it as seriously as I used to
32:33
Speaker 17: because I think we had last time about fifteen seats
32:36
Speaker 17: that were decided on primary votes that were run ambiguous
32:39
Speaker 17: results which you could allocate to a two party preferred basis.
32:43
Speaker 17: So look, when the parties fall below the two major
32:46
Speaker 17: parties fall below two thirds of the vote primary vote
32:50
Speaker 17: between them, then the two party.
32:52
Speaker 4: Pervert vote becomes pretty wonky, is a concept.
32:54
Speaker 17: So I'm now looking much more closely at primary votes,
32:58
Speaker 17: and look, it's underniable what we're seeing. And that is
33:01
Speaker 17: a droop for Labor in their primary vote down to
33:04
Speaker 17: a figure in the high twenties. And that's from about
33:07
Speaker 17: thirty three at the last election, and the last election
33:10
Speaker 17: was a drop on the one before that, whereas the
33:12
Speaker 17: Liberal Party is creeping up inexorably from about thirty six
33:16
Speaker 17: percent up towards about thirty nine to forty percent.
33:18
Speaker 4: Now that two, three or four percent.
33:20
Speaker 17: Makes a hell of a lot of difference when you're
33:23
Speaker 17: working out who goes out first.
33:25
Speaker 4: In the count to see who survives.
33:28
Speaker 2: Now, I want to go back to my time in politics.
33:31
Speaker 2: I worked in state and federal politics and involved in
33:34
Speaker 2: campaigns from opposition and government.
33:36
Speaker 1: And if my.
33:36
Speaker 2: Memory serves me well, you always used to talk about
33:39
Speaker 2: the job of an opposition leader is first to drag
33:42
Speaker 2: the government's vote down, and that's the prime, that's the priority,
33:47
Speaker 2: and it tends to be chronologically the first development.
33:51
Speaker 1: And then if you've got a good opposition leader, they.
33:52
Speaker 2: Can lift their own vote a bit, convince those people
33:56
Speaker 2: who are wavering to come on board with the opposition.
34:00
Speaker 2: Is that the correct interpretation of how it plays out?
34:02
Speaker 2: I mean, if so, hasn't Peter Dutton done fabulously in
34:06
Speaker 2: suppressing the Labor vote, but in order to win government
34:10
Speaker 2: himself he needs to drag more people into his own column.
34:15
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's the case. I mean, it's one
34:18
Speaker 4: thing for.
34:19
Speaker 17: Opposition to tear down a government, and I think that
34:22
Speaker 17: that's happened.
34:23
Speaker 4: It's been quite obviously happening.
34:25
Speaker 17: The Freshwater Pole was really disturbing for Labor and for
34:29
Speaker 17: Albanezi personally, because it just shows he's not regarded as
34:32
Speaker 17: a stronger effective leader, particularly when it comes to standing
34:36
Speaker 17: up against Donald Trump, whereas Darton certainly is. But sooner
34:40
Speaker 17: or later, when you get closer and closer to the
34:42
Speaker 17: election date, the people need to know why they want.
34:46
Speaker 4: To vote for the opposition, and I think that's.
34:49
Speaker 17: Where they've been falling down a bit in terms of
34:51
Speaker 17: some of the country areas. They don't the swings don't
34:54
Speaker 17: seem to be as strong there.
34:56
Speaker 2: That's the one to watch see if you can win
34:58
Speaker 2: them across to the colon. So they need to get
35:00
Speaker 2: their primary vote up higher as well. Thanks for joining us, John,
35:04
Speaker 2: really appreciate your analysis. John Black their live from Coinsday.
35:07
Speaker 2: I'm going to catch up with him every Monday at
35:09
Speaker 2: least to the election campaign, so we can find out
35:11
Speaker 2: exactly what is happening with all that polling data. Now,
35:14
Speaker 2: after the break, we're going to check in on Pope Francis.
35:16
Speaker 2: He's still in a critical condition with blood tests showing
35:19
Speaker 2: early kidney failure. Sophie Ellsworth is in Rome and we'll
35:23
Speaker 2: catch up with.
35:23
Speaker 1: Her live across to Sophie Ellsworth in Rome. In just
35:30
Speaker 1: a moment.
35:30
Speaker 2: The first Pope Francis has sent a message from his
35:33
Speaker 2: hospital bed asking people to pray for him.
35:36
Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
35:38
Speaker 18: The punt have posted on X Sunday morning, writing quote,
35:41
Speaker 18: I have recently received many messages of affection, and I
35:45
Speaker 18: have been particularly struck by the letters and drawings from children.
35:48
Speaker 18: Thank you for your closeness and for the consoling prayers
35:51
Speaker 18: I have received from all over the world. Despite the
35:54
Speaker 18: positive news, Pope Francis is still in critical condition as
35:58
Speaker 18: he undergoes treatment for pneumonia and a complex lung infection.
36:01
Speaker 18: The eighty eight year old had part of his lung
36:03
Speaker 18: removed when he was younger, which is now coming into play,
36:06
Speaker 18: making him more prone the illnesses.
36:08
Speaker 5: He's got such serious difficulties with his bones and his
36:12
Speaker 5: stomach and everything else, we kind of knew it might
36:16
Speaker 5: be time for him to go home.
36:19
Speaker 2: Let's bring in Sophie Ellsworth's News Corps Europe correspondent of course,
36:23
Speaker 2: and Sky and News contributed joining us live from Rome.
36:26
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you from the scene of such
36:28
Speaker 2: an outpouring that, no doubt, an outpouring of care and
36:30
Speaker 2: concern and prayer there, Sophie.
36:36
Speaker 19: Absolutely Chris arrived here yesterday and thousands of people were
36:40
Speaker 19: here behind me at Saint Peter's Square, Many pilgrims descending
36:45
Speaker 19: on Vatican City and also tourists from around the world,
36:49
Speaker 19: while this very dire situation is remaining very much under
36:54
Speaker 19: a cloud at the moment, would you shortly Chris here
36:57
Speaker 19: at Vatican City to have an update on the Pope's
37:01
Speaker 19: health from overnight. But I must say many people here
37:06
Speaker 19: in Rome are very nervous and also around the world
37:09
Speaker 19: who are praying for Pope Frances and hoping that he
37:13
Speaker 19: can pull through his very challenging health period.
37:17
Speaker 2: Well, as you would have heard in our package, not
37:19
Speaker 2: everybody really talking about the necessary necessity of recovery here
37:24
Speaker 2: obviously preparing people for the possible passing of the Pope.
37:28
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, of course, if that would have happened.
37:30
Speaker 2: This is always such a significant story because that would
37:33
Speaker 2: lead to a conclave of cardinals to elect another pope.
37:36
Speaker 2: Is there any movement from the Vatican to pull the
37:40
Speaker 2: cardinals from around the world to Rome to the Vatican
37:44
Speaker 2: or does none of that happen until we see what
37:48
Speaker 2: happens with the Pope.
37:52
Speaker 19: Well, really, Chris, the focus is fully on hoping that
37:56
Speaker 19: he can pull through this. There's not a lot of
37:58
Speaker 19: talk about that in the local media here. Focus is
38:03
Speaker 19: firmly on where the Pope Francis can pull through this.
38:06
Speaker 19: Now we know that he's had double pneumonia in both lungs,
38:10
Speaker 19: he's had bronchitas, he's also got renal issues, so the
38:13
Speaker 19: problems are mounting up.
38:15
Speaker 20: But they're saying yesterday in.
38:17
Speaker 19: The latest update that he's vigilant and he's well orientated,
38:20
Speaker 19: so there's no signs also that he's going to step
38:24
Speaker 19: down from his role. That really the focus is fully
38:27
Speaker 19: on him trying to pull through.
38:29
Speaker 20: But we are now running into the tenth day.
38:33
Speaker 19: He was admitted to Jamelli Hospital here in Rome on
38:36
Speaker 19: February fourteen, so we're well into the second week and
38:41
Speaker 19: there's no doubt there's many nervous people.
38:43
Speaker 2: Chris, you're outside the Vatican there, it looks like to me,
38:47
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, and you've got Saint Peter's
38:49
Speaker 2: Basilica behind you. So the hospital he is at the
38:52
Speaker 2: Pope Francis is a number of kilometers to the north
38:55
Speaker 2: of there, but no doubt. I know some people are
38:58
Speaker 2: praying at the hospital, but no doubt the Vatican is
39:00
Speaker 2: a focus. A lot of people would be going to
39:03
Speaker 2: the Basilica and the other chapels there to pray.
39:09
Speaker 19: Absolutely, Chris, that's what we're seeing here in Italy and
39:13
Speaker 19: of course around the world. I mean there's vision of
39:15
Speaker 19: people all around the world praying for Pope Francis.
39:19
Speaker 20: But you know, this is a massive challenge.
39:22
Speaker 19: He's eighty eight years, he's had health issues in the past,
39:26
Speaker 19: but he's in the absolute fight of his life and
39:29
Speaker 19: the latest issues with the renal problems and the fact
39:32
Speaker 19: that he's all holding oxygen.
39:35
Speaker 20: You know, we have to be frank here.
39:37
Speaker 19: It's not a great situation, but there are many people
39:41
Speaker 19: hoping that he can pull through. But all remains to
39:44
Speaker 19: be seeing Chris as to what will happen in the
39:46
Speaker 19: coming days.
39:48
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Sophie, appreciate it. Sophiell'sworth their live with
39:51
Speaker 2: the latest from Rome.
39:53
Speaker 1: It's early in the day there in Rome.
39:54
Speaker 2: Obviously she'll be reporting overnight for Sky News and keeping
39:58
Speaker 2: everybody up to date with the the Pope's health and
40:01
Speaker 2: his struggle. Just at the moment we're going to get
40:03
Speaker 2: to a break. On the other side, we'll catch up
40:04
Speaker 2: with Gematon Union Caroline Russo. We'll talk about Labour's spendeth
40:07
Speaker 2: on it's being matched so far by the coalition. Also,
40:10
Speaker 2: I've got something from Kamala Harris you might enjoy.
40:19
Speaker 1: It's a crazy world.
40:19
Speaker 2: And on Mondays we sort of out with Gematon Uni
40:22
Speaker 2: from GT Communications and Caroline Russo in Perth.
40:25
Speaker 1: Great to have you both on board. I'm going to
40:28
Speaker 1: share our real concern I've got. I'll get your thoughts
40:30
Speaker 1: on this first gema.
40:31
Speaker 2: You've got this election about to be called, You've got
40:34
Speaker 2: labor throwing bucket loads of money at it, by the billion,
40:37
Speaker 2: A couple of billion dollars for the way ELI still
40:39
Speaker 2: works now, eight billion dollars for Medicare. The Coalition doesn't
40:42
Speaker 2: want to have fights on these things, so they're matching
40:45
Speaker 2: the spending. Aren't we just doing ourselves more harm and
40:48
Speaker 2: buying more inflation and more debt in the future.
40:51
Speaker 15: Yes, I mean the short answer is yes. And when
40:53
Speaker 15: I saw that play out yesterday, the first thing, well,
40:57
Speaker 15: the first thing I thought was not printable or not.
40:59
Speaker 15: It's a family, sure, but we are led by people
41:03
Speaker 15: who are undisciplined and they think that just chucking money
41:07
Speaker 15: at stuff is going to solve a problem. And it's inflationary,
41:12
Speaker 15: and we have an inflation problem. One tiny little interest
41:15
Speaker 15: rate cut does not solve that problem, will prove anything.
41:19
Speaker 15: If anything, it's proof we have a government that is
41:21
Speaker 15: economically illiterate. It's bread and circuses, it's all it is.
41:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we understand why the Coalition has to match
41:27
Speaker 2: this funding, not even getting into a debate about it.
41:30
Speaker 1: Is what the.
41:31
Speaker 2: Prime minister had to say. No, well you sure saw
41:35
Speaker 2: it earlier. What the Prime minister he had to say.
41:37
Speaker 2: He said, you can't trust the Coalition on many care Caroline.
41:41
Speaker 2: As you know, they always want to run a many
41:42
Speaker 2: scare campaign.
41:44
Speaker 1: This is the problem.
41:45
Speaker 2: You're going to have to go with their plan otherwise
41:47
Speaker 2: they run a scare campaign against you. Is there are
41:50
Speaker 2: other ways to fix this, for instance, and this is
41:52
Speaker 2: part of the plan. Admittedly, we need more doctors, we
41:55
Speaker 2: need more gps. If there are more gps around, they'll
41:58
Speaker 2: see more people and they'll bog build more.
42:03
Speaker 21: Yeah, but the labor and narrative doesn't actually match the reality.
42:07
Speaker 21: I mean, we know, and it's pretty clear. Bulk billing
42:10
Speaker 21: was a lot higher under the last coalition government, got
42:14
Speaker 21: as high as eighty eight percent shortly before we were
42:18
Speaker 21: thrown out of office, and it's tumbled that ten percent
42:21
Speaker 21: pretty quickly. And yes, absolutely we do need more doctors,
42:25
Speaker 21: but the simple fact of the matter is when you
42:27
Speaker 21: take a doctor surgery, you rebadge it as an urgent
42:30
Speaker 21: care clinic. They're not more doctors, they're just rebadged the
42:34
Speaker 21: doctors that are existing there. So we do actually need
42:37
Speaker 21: to have more GPS, and you know, whatever policy needs
42:40
Speaker 21: to be put in place to allow that to happen,
42:43
Speaker 21: then that absolutely does need to happen. But shifting doctors
42:47
Speaker 21: around the place does not simply fix those problems. Look,
42:52
Speaker 21: I appreciate obviously why the Coalition matched that policy. We've
42:56
Speaker 21: said no to an awful lot of proposed government spending
43:00
Speaker 21: over the whole course of this term and labor. Now
43:05
Speaker 21: they're a little bit stuck because they really want to
43:08
Speaker 21: be able to say that the Coalition of the Big
43:10
Speaker 21: meanings and we're going to take away Medicare. But like
43:13
Speaker 21: I said right at the beginning, the reality just doesn't
43:15
Speaker 21: match up.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing we have got a lot of,
43:18
Speaker 2: and we're getting even more of, is citizens And there's
43:21
Speaker 2: been industrial scale citizenship ceremonies in Western Sydney over the weekend.
43:26
Speaker 2: Have a look at these pictures where they've ran them
43:29
Speaker 2: all in to get their citizenship from the Immigration Minister
43:33
Speaker 2: Tony Burke, and he says he's invited everyone along, including
43:38
Speaker 2: the local independent MP Dye.
43:41
Speaker 1: She says, ah, no invite have a lot.
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Speaker 20: There was nothing mentioned about the Homewish ceremony, Kieran.
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Speaker 22: That's what I'm saying, and to me, this is just
43:51
Speaker 22: I cannot believe it.
43:52
Speaker 4: I'm really shocked nothing was mentioned.
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Speaker 19: A lot of things are not adding up, and the
43:56
Speaker 19: things that the minister have said about me boycotting that
44:00
Speaker 19: is absolutely false and that is a blatant line.
44:04
Speaker 1: I think it all adds up, Jemma.
44:05
Speaker 2: They want more citizens quickly and they're pushing them to
44:08
Speaker 2: enroll to a vote. They think they can get thousands
44:11
Speaker 2: extra votes between now and when the polls closed, when
44:14
Speaker 2: the enrollments closed in about three or four weeks.
44:16
Speaker 15: This is extremely disturbing to me, genuinely because they're politicizing
44:22
Speaker 15: Australian citizenship. We're not suggesting I don't believe anyone has
44:27
Speaker 15: suggested that the people who who part of these were
44:30
Speaker 15: not worthy or not ready or had not gone through
44:33
Speaker 15: the process. The issue is exactly what you said, the duplicity,
44:37
Speaker 15: the lies that Dale has called out, and you know
44:41
Speaker 15: she would know if she was invited. I read today
44:44
Speaker 15: and correct me if I'm wrong that they didn't invite her,
44:46
Speaker 15: but they invited the local labor candidate. I mean, this
44:49
Speaker 15: is an absolutely shameful politicization of Australian citizenship which the
44:56
Speaker 15: Labor Party has shown means nothing. It means nothing to them,
44:59
Speaker 15: but vote. You know, this is this just to me
45:02
Speaker 15: reeks of what the Labor putty stands for. Whatever it takes, Yeah,
45:05
Speaker 15: whatever it takes.
45:07
Speaker 1: Rich's book. If you're watching Richosting.
45:09
Speaker 15: And the minister should be ashamed of himself.
45:12
Speaker 2: He should, but he cloaks himself in patriotism instead. I
45:16
Speaker 2: want to go to the US Caroline and get your
45:17
Speaker 2: thoughts on this.
45:18
Speaker 1: I do love this.
45:19
Speaker 2: Some of what Elon Musk does I think is batpoo crazy.
45:23
Speaker 1: Some of it I love. And this idea of sending
45:26
Speaker 1: out an email to public.
45:27
Speaker 2: Servants, Caroline and ask him what I've actually done.
45:30
Speaker 1: In the last week is a doozy.
45:34
Speaker 20: I loved this.
45:36
Speaker 21: I absolutely love this, and I love the winging and
45:40
Speaker 21: the pushback. And there was one example reported today that
45:45
Speaker 21: you know, apparently asking or being required to justify what
45:49
Speaker 21: you did that week created a hostile working environment. I
45:53
Speaker 21: worked in top tier law firms, billing in six minute
45:57
Speaker 21: units as account well as you can possibly be for
46:02
Speaker 21: your time.
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Speaker 20: One, this is laughable.
46:05
Speaker 21: Two it gives you an excellent view of who's sitting
46:09
Speaker 21: around doing absolutely nothing and who were the first lot
46:12
Speaker 21: of people that you can kind of give the shove
46:15
Speaker 21: off because if you have to, if you have a
46:17
Speaker 21: problem with justifying what you were doing during your week
46:22
Speaker 21: to the people who manage you, because the email said,
46:25
Speaker 21: you know C C and your manager. If you have
46:27
Speaker 21: a problem doing that, then there's a lot of questions
46:32
Speaker 21: to ask about what you're there for and what benefit
46:35
Speaker 21: that you were providing to the American people. I just
46:39
Speaker 21: thought this was delicious.
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Speaker 2: I wonder how many emails said Monday to Thursday, I
46:43
Speaker 2: work from home and Friday. I came into the office
46:46
Speaker 2: to send you this email.
46:48
Speaker 15: I laughed at me. I mean, as you know, Chris,
46:50
Speaker 15: I've been an employer for twenty two years. I've actually
46:53
Speaker 15: never had to ask that question of anyone I've employed
46:55
Speaker 15: because we have, I guess, a high performance team. It's
46:59
Speaker 15: a silly phrased, but reality, we all take pride in
47:02
Speaker 15: our work. We take pride in doing good work with
47:04
Speaker 15: good people, so it's never been an issue. However, if
47:09
Speaker 15: as an employer or a client said to us, if
47:12
Speaker 15: a client turner and said, hey, look, can you just
47:14
Speaker 15: provide some clarity over what you've done, We're not going
47:16
Speaker 15: to turn around and go, well, you're being hostile. We
47:18
Speaker 15: would actually kind to go, here's what we did. In fact,
47:21
Speaker 15: they never have to ask because we're so transparent. But
47:24
Speaker 15: this just shows the disconnect and I reckon if you
47:28
Speaker 15: layered that over the Australian environment, you would see the
47:32
Speaker 15: same kind of sulking and oh it's hostile. You know what,
47:37
Speaker 15: grow a set, do your job, do it you do
47:39
Speaker 15: your job, or find something else.
47:40
Speaker 2: And focus on how are you going to have a
47:42
Speaker 2: productive outcome at the end of the.
47:43
Speaker 20: Week, but also be proud of it.
47:45
Speaker 15: Be proud of it people, you know, work.
47:48
Speaker 20: Is dignity, Like.
47:51
Speaker 15: People who've been excluded from the workforce, from social because
47:53
Speaker 15: of social conditions.
47:55
Speaker 13: Would kill to have a job.
47:56
Speaker 1: Be proud of the work you do and get stuff done.
47:58
Speaker 2: Let me frame the us and show you what Kamala
48:01
Speaker 2: Harris had to say at a function for Black Excellence.
48:05
Speaker 22: Some see the flames on our horizons, the rising waters
48:12
Speaker 22: in our cities, the shadows gathering over our democracy, and
48:19
Speaker 22: ask what do we do now?
48:24
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what they asked. Caroline, did change your view
48:27
Speaker 1: of the world?
48:30
Speaker 20: I love it again.
48:31
Speaker 21: Total disconnect from reality.
48:33
Speaker 20: And every time, you know.
48:35
Speaker 21: Post selection, I see Kamala Harris speak, I think to myself,
48:39
Speaker 21: my God, the world dodged.
48:42
Speaker 20: The biggest man.
48:45
Speaker 21: Has just got no concept, no idea. And look, you know,
48:51
Speaker 21: there are plenty of people who are going to have
48:53
Speaker 21: their criticisms of Trump. Fine, at least he can kind
48:57
Speaker 21: of remotely string a sentence of upsumptive.
49:02
Speaker 1: She needs to start the podcast.
49:04
Speaker 20: All I can say is.
49:05
Speaker 15: If she's still the front runner for the next Democratic
49:07
Speaker 15: presidential election, then by all means go with me.
49:11
Speaker 1: Go girl, you go girl.
49:12
Speaker 2: Thanks for doing us, Jimmy and Caroline. We'll catch you
49:15
Speaker 2: next week. That's all the time we've got for you tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night at five o'clock.