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Neural Therapy: Why Chronic Conditions Stop Responding to Treatment | Dr. Ilana Gurevich · The Shivan Show with Shivan Sarna

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If you are in a chronic sick state, you have this blind loop and that's why you can't get to the next
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step of healing.
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My educational training is what's a cutting edge way that I can treat things
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differently.
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Their educational training is what's the new cutting edge pharmaceutical.
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If you live in your modern world and you've had surgery, you have chronic infections,
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you've had injuries, you've got scars, the nervous system can shut down.
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That's what
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causes disease or dysfunction.
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We are trying to reset the nerves and get it back online
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to get rid of that blind spot.
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Hi, I'm Siobhan Sarna,
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and I'm here with Dr. Alana Gervich.
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I'm so excited to be here.
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Who is this fabulous woman?
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She is one of the most advanced,
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brilliant, smart, intuitive, creative,
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gut health specialist naturopaths.
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I send very complex cases to her,
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and I'm like, good luck to you.
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And she's always like, ah, seen it, been there,
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done that, no problem.
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Yeah, we'll get them there.
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You know, that kind of thing.
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She uses a ton of tools at her disposal.
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And let's talk about some of those tools.
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So I do a lot of things.
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I treat the microbiome.
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I test the microbiome and I try to correct it.
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I also try to treat the nervous system.
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And I think we're going to be talking about the nervous system, the GI today.
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And then I also have some tools to help the physical body that has referral pain from
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a dysbiotic GI tract.
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And dysbiotic means?
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unhealthy microflora, not a great microbiome.
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This also reminds me, and I should have said it
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in your intro, but we're doing it now.
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What's the name of your podcast?
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Oh, I run actually two podcasts.
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My GI-focused one is called The Turd Nerds, where I team up
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with some other doctors who are obsessed with poop like I am.
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And then I run an injection podcast
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called The Point of Medicine with my co-teacher, Dr. Anne Hill, because we teach injections.
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Okay.
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When you say injections, perfect segue.
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Injections, what are you talking about?
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GLP-1?
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what's going on?
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Come on.
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Good question.
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So no, we teach a series of injections.
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One of them is
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a technique called neural therapy.
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This is using procaine, which is a local anesthetic, to reset
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the nerves of the autonomic nervous system or like every part of your nervous system that you're not
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aware is happening.
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That's called the autonomic nervous system.
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And we do injections to try to
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reset ganglions or nerve bundles to kind of get your nervous system back online so we can correct
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your natural physiology.
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So that's one thing that I do.
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And the other thing that I do is I teach
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perineural injection therapy, which is using dextrose, which is a sugar water to help relax
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your muscles and your nerves.
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Okay.
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This sounds cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.
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Here's the thing back in
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2000 teens, when I first interviewed Dr. Gervich for the SIBO SOS summit, we got into this discussion.
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I was, I'd never heard of anything like this before.
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And it was like, I got the tingle.
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And when I get the tingle, that means like, I really need to pay attention.
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So we went everywhere
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with this procaine idea.
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And while I was there in Portland, Oregon, I hit my head on a car door
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window and you know, like in the rental car, you're like getting in the car and you hit that.
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So I happened to be in the parking lot of Dr. Tom messenger.
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So I popped back upstairs and Tom
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treated me with procaine to kind of, cause I had really like, I gave myself whiplash.
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Well,
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I really felt a difference.
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I instantly went into parasympathetic and relaxed.
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Procaine is kind of magic.
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It was the second ever anesthetic discovered.
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The first ever was cocaine,
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which obviously for good reason, we don't really use, but procaine is a pretty special molecule
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because it's actually not a great anesthetic, right?
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It's in and out of your system in 20
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minutes.
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What makes anesthesia good is it likes the nerves or it's lipophilic, right?
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Nerves are
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all fat.
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Procaine is hydrophilic, so it likes water.
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However, the reason we use procaine and
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not a different substrate is mainly because procaine has the perfect balance of sodium and
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potassium.
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So when it gets into a nerve bundle, it actually like turns it off and turns it back on.
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It's like, you know, when everything's wrong with your computer and you shut it down and shut it
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back on and it works again.
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That's what procaine does.
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It's out of your system in 20 minutes,
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but it's an amazing reset for your entire nerve, whatever nerve ganglion you're trying to reset
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right then and there.
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Can you do like a whole body, like talk to me about body parts versus
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whole body.
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Talk to me about that.
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Okay.
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So let's go really big picture, right?
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Let's start with
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autonomic.
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So you have your nervous system, your brain and your spinal cord, right?
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That's called
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the central nervous system.
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That's basically, you know, a big bundle of nerves.
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And then those nerves
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lead the central nervous system.
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And now they're on the outside of the spine.
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Now they're the
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peripheral nervous system, right?
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Those nerves go from the spine to the organ, to the skin,
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back to the organs, back to the spine, up to the CNS.
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So your nervous system should be one
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continuous loop.
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However, if you live in your modern world and you've had surgery, you have
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chronic infections, you've had injuries, you've got scars, anything like that, the nervous system
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can shut down.
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When the nervous system shuts down, now you have a blind spot.
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And that's what causes
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disease or dysfunction.
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What we do with procaine is we are trying to reset the nerves and get it
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back online to get rid of that blind spot.
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Speed bump?
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Kind of, yeah.
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Barrier to healing?
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I mean, like even worse than a speed bump, it's like, you know, a seven mile backup crash where
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the nervous system can't move.
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And what you notice is people who have this autonomic dysfunction
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or issues with their autonomic nervous system, they have these chronic patterns.
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That's the
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most important thing that neurotherapy is used for.
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If you are in a chronic sick state and you
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can't get past it, no matter what drug you take, what supplement you take, what diet you do,
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if you're in this chronic state, it's not like the organ that's the problem.
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It's that you have
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this blind loop and that's why you can't get to the next step of healing.
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So if you have fibromyalgia,
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you're in pain, it's constantly inflamed.
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It's like IBS.
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Ah, you're constipated.
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You got diarrhea.
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You got IBS.
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Oh, you're in pain.
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Oh, I don't know what really is causing this pain.
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So we're going
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to say fibromyalgia.
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Right.
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Okay.
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So yes, it is super useful.
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There's a couple of different ways
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to inject.
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There is superficial injections.
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Like I remember I said, it goes from the spine to the
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organs to the skin and back, you can use neurotherapy just injecting the dermis or like
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the skin layer, right?
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Or the subcutaneous just below the skin.
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And those nerves are going to
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feed all the way through.
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Or you can do deeper injections like ganglion injections.
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Ganglions
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are like little cities of nerves.
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Like everybody comes, all the nerves come through this ganglion,
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but then they go more peripherally.
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The other thing that you can do is you can do a procaine IV.
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so you can do intravenous procaine that then acts to reset the entire nervous system.
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I totally want that.
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Do you remember having it?
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I have at the dentist.
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So how do you feel after procaine?
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Well, you know, I was having oral surgery.
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So for that particular one, it was very helpful.
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And the dentist liked it because I was a stress bundle.
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I was a stress ganglion.
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It is so effective at dealing with people with chronic anxiety, chronic stress.
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It really just like puts them in a parasympathetic state.
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As an example, I did get a procaine treatment.
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I probably had like five injections at this conference a couple of years ago because I was in chronic pain.
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I was in very bad pain.
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The room had mold in it.
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It was just like terrible.
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And I flew that day and I am an anxious flyer.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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And I was like, it's all good.
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Chill.
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Yeah.
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I was like, are other people like this?
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I have a patient who has had chronic insomnia.
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She has not slept probably more than an hour, two hours in years and years.
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And I can get her a good night's sleep after a parochian IV.
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The problem is that I can't keep her attached to parochian forever.
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And there are other things that are happening.
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So it's good to reset her nervous system.
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And now she's probably at three or four hours a night.
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But it's not the only thing.
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But it is a sure useful tool.
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How does it work for dental applications?
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You know, the problem with the teeth, the problem with the teeth is they harbor tons
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of infection, right?
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And we have root canals that we needed or that we didn't need that were done well or
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not done well.
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Those root canals can lead to cavitations.
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Those are basically just pockets of infection that you're holding in your mouth.
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We have cavities that are going deeper.
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The mouth and then every tooth is attached to different organs, right?
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It's a homunculus of the body.
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It's a map of the whole system.
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A homunculus.
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A homunculus.
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Just like the ear.
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A homunculus.
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Yeah, it's like a map of the whole body.
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It's a homunculus of the body.
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So you can find maps of teeth that link to different organs.
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Meridians.
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Meridians.
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Yeah.
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With those chronic infections, you're, I mean, with the root canal, you took the nerve out.
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Like, it's blind.
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And so, procaine helps reset that.
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Okay, that's procaine injections.
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How do I find a practitioner?
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And if you're a practitioner, how do I get trained?
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Okay, so finding a practitioner.
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There is a national organization called the National Academy, the NAANT basically, NAANT,
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National American Academy of Neurotherapists, maybe.
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So that's one way.
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Also, if people do neurotherapy, you can always Google your location, your state to find a
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neurotherapist.
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There's different ways to get trained.
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In the US, I have maybe five teachers who are teaching.
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I teach with Dr. Anne Hill.
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Our course is called LearnNeurotherapy.com.
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Nice and easy.
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My father is teaching now.
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He just started a course.
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His name is Dr. Michael Gervich.
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Jeff Harris teaches a course.
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What's happening right now with the NANT is we're trying to organize a curriculum, a baseline curriculum, so we can provide certification for neurotherapy.
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Oh, that's fantastic.
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But if you're looking right now, look at us.
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Yeah.
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And you have a list of providers.
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People are taking your courses.
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We do.
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Yep.
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The other thing is, let's say you're a practitioner and you are looking to really help your patients and also generate another revenue stream without bringing in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber or some other big ass piece of equipment.
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This is so easy.
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It's so quick and it's so effective that once a patient has it, it's very likely they're going to come back again because of its efficacy.
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And the way we do our trainings, which is super important, is it's a small group.
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We limit it to right around 12 participants.
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And we are lecturing about the injection.
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We are demonstrating the injection.
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You are practicing and receiving the injection because the most important thing is to be
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able to explain to your patients how they're going to feel post-injection, what's normal,
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what's not.
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How do you feel post-injection?
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And so you really need to be feeling the injections.
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A hundred percent.
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What are some unusual uses of procaine that are kind of unexpected?
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So super important, I think anybody who has scars, especially scars that hold a lot of
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emotional charge, that is like a total blind spot for the nervous system.
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So using procaine to reestablish communication between scars is super important.
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Chronic infections, intestinal cystitis, fibromyalgia, chronic diarrhea, chronic abdominal
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pain, anything like that.
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The one theme is chronic.
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If it's chronic, the nervous system
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is probably shut down and it needs to get some light shine on it again.
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So it's for chronic
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conditions.
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The name of my company is Chronic Condition Rescue.
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So I like what you put that in.
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Yeah.
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That's nice.
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Thank you.
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The belly button.
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The belly button is where every single tissue
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starts from, right?
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That's the original connection.
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When you're one cell and then one cell become two
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and two become four, like to grow the baby, everything stems from that tissue.
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So if you
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inject the belly button, you are getting all of the tissue that goes on, has gone on to form the
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GI tract, right?
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Also, you know, from a scar perspective, it happens to be the original
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wound.
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Like that is the first scar we have.
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And there's an emotional thing.
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Also, it is
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exceptionally effective at just like letting yourself sink into your immune system.
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one day I was getting a treatment and I was not in the mood for the pain.
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So I sprayed lidocaine
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on the back of my scalp where I was getting it done.
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And then I had the treatment and it was
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much easier on me.
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Would that be okay?
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Or did I just... No, that's completely fine.
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I will say
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that my experience, usually it's like cold and annoying.
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And so it's like such a quick,
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I mean, it's uncomfortable.
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Like it's not comfortable to have an injection, but it's
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like so quick?
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The injection is one part of it for me.
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And the other part is I feel the fluid
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going in and that like burns off the ganglia.
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Like that's the vibe I get.
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Yeah.
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That one's
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tricky because not all procaine burns, right?
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It kind of depends who's, because procaine has to be
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compounded.
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It's not like mass produced.
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It's not like lidocaine or marcaine or mepivacaine or any
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of those.
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And your compounding pharmacy compounds it to a different pH.
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And so what we've noticed
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teaching is that we're kind of a little bit more preoccupied right now about where we get our
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procaine from because not all procaine burns equal.
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It really depends on where we're getting
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it compounded from.
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So that's the procaine.
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I have a couple of random questions.
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Okay.
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But I
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want to ask you, what do you do for your patients with hemorrhoids?
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Oh, oh my God.
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Okay.
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I am so
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fortunate that I want to start with.
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I am so fortunate because I happen to live in a state
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where we have providers that can perform a Kesey treatment.
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How do you spell that?
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K-E-E-S-E-Y.
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And I will say I practiced in New York for one year, not even.
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And the thing that was the hardest is I didn't have anybody do a Kesey.
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A Kesey treatment is basically they put in an anoscope to visualize the hemorrhoid
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and then they apply a low-volt galvanic current that like
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tautens up the hemorrhoid and completely reverses it.
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So it's a non-surgical treatment for hemorrhoid.
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That's amazing.
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If you don't have a Kesey treatment, one, using herbs that taunt up the vasculature.
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Horse chestnut is the most famous one, and I would take that orally.
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And two, using topical reptile suppositories.
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So in my suppositories, I have St. John's wort.
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I have butcher's broom.
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I have witch hazel.
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I have calendula to soothe.
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Like we have these suppositories compounded up that work amazing for hemorrhoids, not
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as well as the Kesey treatment.
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Does the Kesey treatment hurt?
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No.
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For most people, no.
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Like, I had a bunch of them before I gave birth to my baby, because the last thing you
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want is, like, everything swollen in the front and in the back.
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Yeah.
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And I was surprised how little it hurt.
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But we have established you're, like, from another planet.
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But nevertheless, it would be worth it.
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So I did have a friend who almost died from a hemorrhoid.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Because she had to go to the hospital because she had fallen.
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And for some reason, they gave her a blood thinner.
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Oh, yeah.
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And then she got home, had these hemorrhoids, like there's a level four strangulated or something.
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It was terrible.
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And almost bled out.
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Oh, my God.
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That's crazy.
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It's crazy.
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And not common.
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Thank God.
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Yeah.
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Thank God.
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I find her a surgeon and...
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Such a barbaric surgery.
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It's such a...
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So there's a couple of different ways to do it.
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One is they can put rubber bands on it.
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Or two, they can do a surgery to correct it.
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But every time you defecate or have a bowel movement, like you're pooping through an open wound.
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It is a very bad.
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That's why I'm so grateful for the Kesey treatment.
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So we found the surgeon.
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He was a really good surgeon, very great reputation.
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And he said, listen, once a year I see a case this bad and you're going to hate me for two months.
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Yeah, for two months.
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That's a lot of hatred.
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It's a lot of pain.
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A lot of pain.
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I just wanted to mention it because if you're struggling with that, it's not the kind of thing you're probably talking about to a lot of people.
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And it's a private hell that I don't want anyone to have to go through.
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If we can contribute to you feeling better in any way, shape, or form associated with this, I'm very happy to do that.
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One of the specialties that you have is IBS, SIBO, but also Crohn's and ulcerative colitis.
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So tell us the backstory on that.
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So I was diagnosed with Crohn's at the age of 19.
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What is Crohn's?
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Okay, great.
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Crohn's, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's are both called inflammatory bowel diseases, right?
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It's when you have irritation or inflammation of your intestines.
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Ulcerative colitis is exclusive to the large intestine.
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So from the rectum up to the end of the large bowel, Crohn's can be anywhere from your mouth to your anus.
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85% of people have it in the small bowel, which is the terminal ileum.
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85% of people who have it.
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Crohn's have it in the small bowel.
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Yeah.
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There's a couple of distinct differences.
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You know, UC always goes from the bottom all the
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way up in a direct line.
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Crohn's can have a bunch of skip lesions where you miss things.
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I think I started having symptoms when I was 12 and I was diagnosed at 19 and I got really lucky
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getting diagnosed actually as one of the hardest times of my life, but also put me on my life's
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purpose of becoming a naturopathic physician because a naturopath saved my life and gave me
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life for the first time ever.
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And I can remember a year from diagnosis and a year from seeing my
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naturopath.
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I was living abroad.
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Before that, I had been like 89 pounds and my weight, you know,
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BMI of like 16 or 17, very like emaciated.
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And I was normal and I was partying.
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And I was like,
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I think it was the first time I was alive.
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And I happened to get on the phone with somebody
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who was just like he had been on the elemental diet for four months.
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He couldn't leave his house.
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and something about the drastic difference of what he was going through and where I was
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made me pursue my life's work of becoming a naturopath who focuses on GI.
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And so that's kind of what I've spent my life doing.
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You just mentioned elemental diet.
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Let's define what that is.
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Okay.
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Elemental diet is excessively well studied, basically, especially for IBD.
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Crohn's in particular, even though there is some anecdotal evidence that it also is
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helpful for UC, but it could be curative for Crohn's.
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It's a liquid-only diet where you have all of your nutrition that gets absorbed by the small intestine very early on, and so it gives you complete digestive rest.
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At the four-week mark of drinking only this diet, which is really hard, it is equal to steroids.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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In its effectiveness.
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In its effectiveness, yeah, yeah.
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But it's not equal to steroids in its side effectiveness.
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Steroids have a lot of bad side effects.
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It's a very effective drug with a very large cost physiologically for the steroids.
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So the elemental diet, do you have a favorite?
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I use the integrative therapeutics if I'm going to use it.
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I will also just say as an aside, I am not only using it for IBD, it is my best tool
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for somebody with like chronic GI stuff that I can't crack.
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And we actually have an episode on the Turner's podcast about it where I just give a clinical
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patient case who she was like, I mean, she was in so much chronic pain.
19:56
And she would cry every time she would talk to me.
19:59
And each, I had to do Alamanta diet with her three times.
20:02
And each time she would get like a ton of improvement.
20:05
But we weren't there.
20:05
We had to go a couple of times.
20:07
But it was like, it is reliable to reset the GI tract if you're willing to do borderline torture.
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And I do not prescribe it lightly.
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I do think it's borderline torture to only drink for two weeks.
20:18
And what does it taste like?
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Pina Colada-ish.
20:24
How would you describe it?
20:25
Have you had it?
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Oh, yeah.
20:26
How would you describe it?
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A way overly sweet milkshake.
20:30
And like, trawling in a milkshake is a compliment that I don't think it deserves.
20:33
But I mean, it's a very overly sweet kind of, not like, yummy.
20:38
It's like, ooh, that was too sweet.
20:40
It's good minute one, day one, by minute two billion, day 14.
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Yeah.
20:45
You're over it.
20:46
And Debbie Steinbach, you know her?
20:48
Uh-uh.
20:48
Oh, she's great.
20:49
She's a nutritionist who specializes in elemental diet.
20:53
Like, she's probably put more people through it than.
20:56
yeah anybody and um she said that the taste changes as the days go on as your microbiome
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changes yeah yeah and your your relationship with it changes you change it's really interesting
21:08
yeah there's also like we we tell people hacks like using a straw makes it a little bit easier
21:12
sometimes making it cold making cold sometimes making it hot it's really really difficult to do
21:17
it's not something i recommend lightly but it is one of those things that if you're really really
21:22
severe or if your SIBO is like methanes in the hundreds, I'm going to consider it.
21:27
I'm going to
21:27
talk you through what else I have on my plate, but it's an option.
21:31
Sometimes two weeks of horrible
21:34
is worth resetting for the rest of your life.
21:36
The problem is it's not always just two weeks.
21:39
Sometimes you have to do it a couple of rounds in a row with some breaks.
21:42
But yes, I also think
21:43
these people are very, very sick and miserable.
21:46
The attitude is I get to do the elemental diet,
21:48
not I have to, or, you know, it's like you have to really, really work on that mindset.
21:54
I have seen it really reset chronic pain, like chronic abdominal pain.
21:59
The problem is with the
22:01
GI tract, sometimes it's food that makes you hurt.
22:04
And sometimes you hurt and then you eat food and
22:07
that gets all entangled, you know, so you try to limit what you're eating, but it's not the food.
22:11
I have seen it really like clean up that picture.
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Okay.
22:14
We're going to continue to get personal.
22:16
Have you ever been bloated, like really bloated?
22:19
Have you ever had diarrhea or constipation or
22:21
maybe have a combination of all of it?
22:22
Maybe you have SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
22:26
I have answers for you, the ones that I couldn't find for so many years.
22:31
The website, my website,
22:33
sibosos.com has a ton of free information, some premium courses you can take, small group coaching
22:41
and discounts on supplements and other health products.
22:44
What changed everything for me
22:46
was working with Dr. Allison Seebecker, and she is involved in so many of these projects.
22:50
She is a
22:51
true and legitimate SIBO expert.
22:54
So if you'd like to work with us, you'd like to find out more,
22:57
even just want to just take a little look and see if maybe that might be you, then check it out.
23:01
You'll see the links in the description.
23:03
And I hope you don't have SIBO, but if you do,
23:06
I'm glad we found each other.
23:08
Anything else you want to say?
23:08
Because I have to switch topics.
23:10
to ozone.
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Oh, I love ozone.
23:11
My favorite.
23:12
That's my favorite.
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Yeah.
23:13
Ozone is a gas.
23:15
It is O3,
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right?
23:16
So the way any ozone provider, they take oxygen from an oxygen tank and they run it through
23:21
an ozone generator that basically electrocutes those oxygen.
23:24
The way I describe it is oxygen
23:26
is very stable.
23:27
A husband and a wife, O2.
23:29
Now I'm electrocuting it and 30% reforms as O3,
23:32
a husband, a wife, and a girlfriend.
23:33
It's very unstable.
23:34
It's not going to stay in that position
23:36
for more than 30 minutes, actually, but 30 minutes, it's all oxygen again.
23:40
Ozone does three
23:41
things at the same time that are amazing.
23:43
One, it's super antimicrobial, especially against
23:46
anaerobes, right?
23:47
Anaerobes by their nature don't like oxygen.
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They're anaerobic.
23:50
Aerobic means
23:51
oxygen.
23:52
So it's really good at dysregulating anaerobes, which are pathogenic.
23:56
Two, if you
23:57
have inflammation within your GI tract, the ozone has this incredible way, and it's not only for GI,
24:03
but that's how I use it, has this incredible way of like finding the cells that are damaged
24:09
and irritated.
24:10
And actually it irritates them more.
24:12
So it goes to the six hour pro-inflammatory
24:14
phase where it basically says to the body, hey, this cell is so damaged, it's never going to get
24:20
fixed.
24:20
Can you extrude it or can you kick it off?
24:22
Right?
24:23
So it does that.
24:24
And at the same time,
24:26
it goes into the mitochondria, which then stimulates regeneration or regrowth.
24:30
So at 72
24:32
hours, all of the tissue that just got kicked off that was inflamed is now fully replaced.
24:37
And so it is very, very effective for chronic inflammation.
24:41
I use it in the GI tract.
24:42
We also
24:43
use it for joint injections.
24:45
We also use it for chronic infections.
24:47
I'm starting to use it now
24:48
as a liquid in the glycerin.
24:50
Oh, I have not started playing with the glycerin, but I sat
24:52
through a webinar on it.
24:53
So yes, I'm using it in all kinds of ways.
24:56
I'm using ozone water.
24:58
And I was for like chronic gastritis, chronic esophagitis.
25:01
It's one of the tools in my tool belt.
25:03
To have people drink it?
25:04
Yes.
25:05
How much do they drink?
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I usually, so I just make it in the clinic.
25:08
So we make 30 mils and then I send them home with a 30 mil bottle.
25:12
And how long over time should they drink that?
25:15
I mean, I feel like four days.
25:17
You got it in four, like you should get through it in four days.
25:19
And do you think it's still active?
25:21
I have them store it in the fridge as long as it still smells like ozone, you're good.
25:24
That's what's good about glycerin.
25:26
Honestly, glycerin will hold, because of the molecule of the glycerin, it will hold the
25:30
ozone.
25:30
So it's super antimicrobial.
25:32
But you're not drinking 30, 40 ounces?
25:33
No, no liters of that, no.
25:35
How do you find someone who's a practitioner of ozone?
25:39
I mean, American Academy of Ozone trains a lot of practitioners.
25:42
They do have a certification process.
25:44
And again, Google your local area.
25:47
I think that if somebody's into regenerative medicine, they're going to let you know they
25:50
do ozone.
25:52
Can we just talk about practitioners for a second?
25:54
Because not all practitioners are fantastic, even if they have great tools.
25:58
That's true.
25:59
It's unfortunate.
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And then not all practitioners who don't have great tools, some of them are wonderful.
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Yeah.
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You see where I'm going with this.
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So just want to comment on that because just because they have the equipment, I still want you to vet them.
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Yeah, I mean, I would agree.
26:13
It is so hard.
26:15
I also think being in the alternative medicine space, like I'm a naturopath, so I'm trained, you know, in the alternative medicine space.
26:23
It's very different than going out on a limb as a medical doctor or DO and saying, hey, I'm going to step away from the safety that I have being a conventional doc because I don't know if I believe in it anymore to do this alternative stuff.
26:37
and there has to be like a financial reward to do that.
26:41
It's, I mean, I don't know how to help with that.
26:44
It's super complicated.
26:45
I would just say, do your best.
26:48
And if it feel, don't give your power away, okay?
26:50
Just because they have the hyperbaric
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and they have the sauna and they have the ozone machine.
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Like ask questions.
26:56
Like, how do you feel after the treatment?
26:58
Did you feel like it was effective?
27:00
Did you feel like they knew what they were doing?
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Ask, you know, about their training.
27:03
Also, if they give you the heebie-jeebies.
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Oh, run away.
27:06
Yeah, listen to that.
27:07
And not every doctor is a good fit for every patient.
27:09
That's true.
27:10
And that's okay.
27:11
Like there are plenty of doctors.
27:13
And so if this person is not a good fit for you, don't do it.
27:15
Can I tell you my craziest story about ozone?
27:17
Can I tell you?
27:18
This is like, I had this patient who I was actually not treating.
27:23
I was treating her and her father had Wagner's disease, right?
27:26
I don't know what that is.
27:27
It's a crazy autoimmune disease where within three days, he went from having healthy limbs,
27:33
healthy everything to having necrosis or like rotting limbs, rotting feet, rotting hands,
27:39
because Wagner's is an autoimmune inflammation of the capillaries, right?
27:43
So the most small of all
27:44
small blood vessels, they have no tools for it.
27:47
He was hospitalized.
27:48
They were going to have to
27:48
amputate.
27:49
And she's a patient of mine.
27:50
And I get a little bit manic and crazy when I hear about this
27:54
because, so she was talking to me about it.
27:55
That's why she had flown in to see him.
27:58
And I was like,
28:00
you have to rent my ozone machine.
28:01
You have to borrow my ozone machine.
28:02
Like you just have to.
28:04
And what I had him do is I had him do something called limb bagging, right?
28:07
So you take,
28:08
what we did with him is 15 minutes, each limb twice a day and all four of them were affected.
28:12
He put a bag on him, like a closed bag because ozone is safe for every tissue except for the
28:17
lungs.
28:17
It's not safe to breathe it in.
28:19
So we, we put a bag on him and we tie up the bag.
28:22
And then we just run ozone through that bag for 15 minutes, right?
28:25
And he would do
28:26
15 minutes each limb twice a day.
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Within three weeks, he was like, the necrosis, he was popping
28:34
off the necrosis and healthy tissue was there.
28:37
That does not happen.
28:38
That does not happen.
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With Wagners, you get amputated.
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They had never seen anything like it.
28:43
I have a friend who's a
28:45
naturopath who I think has, you know her.
28:48
And her sister is a crazy horse rider.
28:51
And her sister fell
28:52
off a horse, not by, by no means the first time or the last time fell off a horse.
28:56
She fractured
28:57
her ankle.
28:58
They had to put screws in her, her body rejected the screws.
29:01
She had necrosis where
29:03
the screws were.
29:04
I cornered my girlfriend at this conference and I was like, she needs to
29:07
borrow my ozone machine.
29:08
She needs to borrow my ozone machine, sent her home two and a half weeks
29:11
later.
29:12
Necrosis has popped off.
29:13
She's got healthy vasculature.
29:15
I have a diabetic patient who had
29:17
gangrenous ulcers they were going to amputate.
29:20
I think with him, we only limb bagged him like
29:23
twice a week.
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Didn't need to amputate.
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I mean, I have pictures of before and after because for
29:29
microvascular circulation, it is like amazing.
29:35
And so the reason why I got caught on it is
29:36
because of diabetic patients.
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I was like, if I can see what the outside, what's happening on the
29:42
outside, that's happening on the inside.
29:44
That's happening to the GI tract.
29:46
You know what I mean?
29:47
And so that's where I started going crazy with ozone, especially for IVD patients.
29:51
I do a webinar to educate people about microcurrent therapy with Dr.
29:55
Rob Van Bergen.
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And he also has pictures of wounds before and after microcurrent therapy, which helps with microcirculation.
30:04
And the results for wounds are phenomenal.
30:07
We have tools.
30:09
And ozone, for one, happens to be a very cheap tool.
30:11
Blood ozone is like a big old process.
30:13
And the more you get complicated with your blood ozone, the more expensive it gets because it's more complicated.
30:18
So basically they wash your blood in ozone and then they put it back in you.
30:21
Yeah.
30:22
And I've had that done before.
30:24
Went into needle shock and David had to come pick me up and take me home.
30:28
I don't like needles.
30:29
I really don't.
30:30
It's very traumatizing to me.
30:31
It's an interesting thing because of who you are.
30:33
When I was little, for some reason, my father, who was East Indian, read some article that maybe there was a breakout of sickle cell anemia for East Indians.
30:43
I don't know.
30:44
It doesn't usually impact this population.
30:48
And my mother thought he was absolutely nutso.
30:51
I'm like, how old am I?
30:52
I'm like seven.
30:54
And she's like, I'm not taking my daughter to go get tested for that.
30:57
She doesn't have it.
30:58
And mom was like, okay, obviously you feel really strongly about it.
31:03
It is our daughter.
31:04
And that would be terrible if that was the case.
31:06
So you take her.
31:07
So he took me to Sarasota Memorial Hospital and Nurse Cratchit was there.
31:11
and her scratch it was very mean to me.
31:14
She said, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
31:16
And
31:16
I was probably like, ah, she said, oh, I guess we're doing it the hard way.
31:20
So she put me in
31:21
one of those chairs and then had the, you know, the arm that comes over and like, was just like
31:26
brutal.
31:27
It was brutal.
31:28
And my poor dad, he was like, you know, you have to remember I was born
31:32
when he was 69.
31:33
So at this point he's his mid seventies.
31:35
Right.
31:36
And he's like, what if my
31:38
daughter has this problem.
31:39
So anyway, that was the beginning of the end for me for needles.
31:43
That's very traumatizing and also really annoying.
31:46
Like I'm sure it could happen today,
31:47
but significantly less likely.
31:49
You know what I mean?
31:49
Like we're a different generation.
31:51
It's true.
31:51
It's true.
31:52
Here's some tips for you.
31:53
If you have to go get a blood drawn,
31:55
you're like me and you don't like needles.
31:56
First of all, there is actually a person that has studied
31:59
the trauma of needles and people and their reaction to it.
32:03
And then there's techniques.
32:04
so there's vibration.
32:06
Oh yeah.
32:06
Right.
32:07
Like, so you can like, I take a little massager thing and
32:09
I like put it on my leg.
32:10
I like when I go get a blood draw, I also get the butterfly.
32:14
It's like
32:15
a sticker thing.
32:16
And also depending, I will ask them to do freezy, but sometimes they don't like
32:22
to do that.
32:23
And then I also asked for an ice pack and I also asked to lie down because combine my
32:28
stress with the tourniquet and the blood pressure change.
32:31
I have fainted at like a quest lab before.
32:33
yeah I'm sure it was terrible I also like we have a phlebotomist that we work with and I he comes to
32:39
your house so you can get like if you're willing to pay yeah yeah and you know he came in and drew
32:44
both my kids and my son was like yay yay ice cream two scoops and my daughter was like petrified but
32:51
at least you get to be in your pajamas if you have a fasting blood draw needed like you're in your
32:55
pajamas you're able to watch tv while they're doing it cat videos or whatever because I've had
33:00
that.
33:01
Oh, she was worried about me fainting.
33:04
So she had me lie down on my dining room table floor,
33:07
my dining room floor.
33:08
It was great.
33:09
How much was it?
33:10
I don't know.
33:10
It was probably 65 bucks.
33:11
Yeah.
33:12
I think that's how much Michael Bonham has charged us, 65 bucks.
33:14
Yeah.
33:14
And for some people,
33:15
that's totally worth it.
33:15
For some people, that's cost prohibitive.
33:17
Yeah, exactly.
33:17
Totally.
33:18
We don't think that it's just running around in the bottom of your purse.
33:20
We get it.
33:21
I will also just say you're less likely to have a nurse crotchet experience
33:25
because these guys are running their business just to be kinder and nicer and present and
33:29
understanding how to work with that type of population.
33:33
Absolutely.
33:33
Yeah, absolutely.
33:35
But
33:35
phlebotomists like are, phlebotomists are an underappreciated skill.
33:41
They love veins like I
33:41
love ozone.
33:42
And a lot of us are getting functional tests, right?
33:45
That the quest or lab cord won't run.
33:48
So the other thing is a lot of functional tests are now trying to move to like blood spots.
33:54
So you can avoid that.
33:55
Yeah.
33:56
Not all functional tests can do that, but if you can't like,
33:59
ask your provider potentially there they can and they're also like if you can't get into your
34:04
hospital lab or lab core quest or whatever these mainstream ones um there's a company called any
34:10
lab test now there's like literally in the strip malls where you can go i mean it's maybe it's
34:16
regional but there there are some options also there are now like lab core has a pop-up quest
34:23
has a pop-up where you don't even need doctor's orders you can order your own labs and you can go
34:28
to their site and they can draw you, which is kind of a game changer actually.
34:31
It actually is.
34:32
You're right.
34:33
And it's a cash pay.
34:34
It's a cash pay and it's like cheaper.
34:35
So, I mean, if you
34:37
have crappy insurance, you know, I tell my patients insurance is like monopoly money.
34:40
I don't know
34:41
what I'm going to get.
34:41
I might get a $2 test.
34:43
I might get a $200 test.
34:45
Your number might be
34:45
different on your insurance card and that's what differentiates it.
34:48
So if you want to get it
34:50
yourself and track on your own, Ulta Labs is through LabCorp and I think MyQuest has it through
34:55
request.
34:56
Okay.
34:56
And then you just get your labs delivered to a portal and you can see the results
35:00
and then share it with your provider.
35:01
This isn't medical information, by the way.
35:03
This is just
35:03
educational content for you to use your common sense, your intelligence, and your provider to
35:07
help make a game plan.
35:09
We wanted you to know that there are options that are not mainstream.
35:12
Like,
35:12
that's one of my favorite things to do is have conversations that are not being had at mainstream
35:19
medical appointments.
35:20
When was the last time you went to your mainstream doctor, which by the way,
35:23
I am pro practitioner.
35:24
I'm not one of these people slamming.
35:26
And they were like, how's your
35:27
lymph system?
35:28
How's your fascia?
35:29
Right?
35:29
How's that liver or gallbladder?
35:31
Oh, so it's hard to do that
35:33
when you have seven minutes.
35:34
Also, they weren't trained for most of what I just described in
35:38
medical school.
35:39
Yeah.
35:39
So hats off to any provider who's trying to keep up with the research.
35:44
You
35:44
know, I always tell patients, you need a gastroenterologist.
35:47
When you're working with me,
35:48
you have to have a gastro.
35:49
I have gastros that I like that refer to me.
35:50
Gastros know me, they refer
35:52
to me.
35:52
You know what I mean?
35:53
We do very different things.
35:55
And the reality is my educational training
35:58
is like, what's a cutting edge way that I can treat things differently.
36:01
Their educational
36:02
training is what's the new cutting edge pharmaceutical.
36:05
You can't use one to replace
36:06
the other.
36:07
Some people want one, some people want the other, but they're very different fields of
36:11
medicine.
36:12
And so to get frustrated at your doctor that they don't know about this vitamin or that
36:15
nutrient or this herb or that fascial thing, it doesn't make sense because that's not the medicine
36:19
they practice, just like to get me mad at me that I don't know which biologic you take,
36:24
we do different things.
36:25
And at least in Oregon, you have the luxury of having both available to
36:29
you.
36:29
And in lots of states, I think there are naturopathic physicians who are certified in
36:33
like 23 states and there are functional medicine doctors everywhere.
36:37
Some are accessible, some
36:39
are cost prohibitive.
36:41
You just said something that I wanted to circle back on biologics.
36:46
So
36:49
I took Skyrizi for a few days.
36:52
What were a few days?
36:53
Well, because it gave me mouth lesions, like canker sores.
36:56
Your detox pathways, what's going on with them?
36:58
Have you had them checked?
36:59
Yeah, they're sluggish.
37:01
Okay.
37:02
They're sluggish.
37:03
I have psoriasis.
37:04
I'm on Otesla.
37:05
It feels okay.
37:07
And I went to a new dermatologist because I wanted to get the light therapy,
37:10
like the sunbathing therapy.
37:12
And he's like, the Otesla's not working.
37:15
what happened was this new dermatologist because i wanted to get the sun blasting script and he's
37:20
like it it takes you know six weeks whatever it's a very long course and he's like i don't think
37:26
it's going to work for you but i can give you a sample of this drug right now and you can leave
37:31
and you can start today just stop taking the tesla he was a doctor so that's his training so i did i
37:37
don't know maybe i took it for like two weeks and i i got these mouth lesions and i was like oh i
37:42
guess I'm really rung down.
37:43
I mean, what is going on?
37:45
And then I got a random text from my pharmacy,
37:49
random, that said, by the way, Sky Rizikin calls mouth lesions.
37:52
I'm like,
37:54
W what?
37:54
What?
37:55
Are you kidding?
37:56
And obviously I stopped right away.
37:58
I mean, I had plastic,
38:00
like little discs in my mouth protecting me.
38:02
I just thought, oh my gosh, I don't think I have
38:05
herpes, even though everyone has herpes.
38:06
I didn't know what the hell was going on.
38:08
And it was so
38:09
painful.
38:11
So painful.
38:12
And yet, it's like a miracle for other people.
38:14
I have patients who it is a
38:16
miracle for.
38:17
And it's, you know, it's Skyrese is really, it's not as systemic, like the TNF-alphas,
38:22
like the first ones, like Remicade or Inflectra is the biosimilar.
38:30
Adalimumab or Humira,
38:32
Simsia or Citalimumab, like TNF-alphas are very systemic.
38:36
We're coming into this new class of
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biologics that are more and more and more targeted.
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Skyrese, I've seen it work like magic.
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And I am
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not opposed to biologics.
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I am opposed to inflammatory bowel disease giving you no
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quality of life, right?
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If you can get management with a biologic and not have side effects and get
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your disease under control, do it.
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However, if you look at the data, it's about 32% effective.
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So about 32% of people can get that kind of maintenance on its own.
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And sometimes it gets
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you part of the way, but then you need to do like the microbiome support and the functional medicine
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stuff and the naturopathic supports to get you the rest of the way.
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And then sometimes, which
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nobody talks about, but it's a really big thing, IBD people, inflammatory bowel disease, physical
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inflammation of the GI, IBD people have an IBS component, right?
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So actually their IBD can be
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completely managed and they can be in a histological remission.
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They have abdominal pain, they're
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gassy, they're having diarrhea, they have constipation, not because of the IBD, but because
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of the IBS within the IBD.
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Unfortunately, what happens with those patients is every time they
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see the gastro, they just assume IBD, it's got to be the IBD.
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Let's change the biologic.
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Let's
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increase your dose.
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Let's decrease your frequency.
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And it's the IBS and not the IBD.
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Which ultimately is SIBO.
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It's a piece of it.
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SIBO, SIFO, EPI.
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What's EPI?
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Extravagant pancreatic insufficiency.
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Say it more slowly.
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Exocrine pancreatic insufficiency.
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Okay.
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It's when your pancreas, which is 5% endocrine or insulin and 95% exocrine or digestion
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enzymes, the circulation, the nervous system circulation, which brings us back to procaine
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where we started, the nervous system circulation is shut down.
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And so your pancreas is not secreting the correct amount of enzymes to cover your meals.
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Hence, you're having diarrhea.
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Got it.
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And that's where procaine comes in because it can reset that communication.
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And where would you inject that?
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Every person is an individual.
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100,000%.
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So you inject the person, not the area.
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But sometimes doing like, we call it segmental therapy.
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So little blebs just over where the pancreas is physiologically can help turn on the pancreas.
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Also using what we call PERT therapy, pancreatic enzyme replacement therapy, right?
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Either pharmaceutical, there are pharmaceutical PERT digestive enzymes, or natural or supplement
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digestive enzymes.
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If we're honest, they're kind of exactly the same thing owned by the same company,
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but that's where digestive enzymes come back, come through.
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It's a PERT therapy.
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And there are other digestive enzymes other than just those, right?
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So enzymes like the pharmaceutical ones, the generic, it's called pancreas lipase,
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Creon, Zenpep, Vios, I think is another one.
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They are lipase, amylase, and protease, right?
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Those
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are animal-based.
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They all come from animals.
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Then there's a new product, which is kind of crazy,
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which I don't know if you know about.
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I don't think so.
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It is a fermented mushroom, protease,
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lipase, and amylase.
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So there's a new company that actually makes a pancreas lipase vegan
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equivalent from fermented mushrooms.
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That's amazing.
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It's amazing and it works.
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Not only
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is it amazing, but I put patients on it because they don't want to A, go pharma, B, go animal.
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and it is pretty similar.
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It's pretty reliable.
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What's it called?
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It's called Boulder Bio.
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Boulder as in the town?
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Bio.
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They are going to love me.
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Yep.
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They already do.
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And then there's the vegetarian enzymes.
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The vegetarian enzymes are much more likely
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to have cellulases, right?
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None of the pharmaceuticals have cellulases.
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Cellulases
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are not endogenously made in the human body.
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Those animal-based ones are.
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Cellulases help
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you break down different types of fiber.
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And so a lot of people have problems with fiber and it's
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a cellulase issue.
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And I don't want to say it's a cellulose deficiency because your body doesn't
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make cellulases, but it's a bacterial microbiome issue because they're the ones that should be
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making the enzymes that break down the cellulase.
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Remember the like overgrowth of hydrogen sulfide,
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methanogens hydrogen producing overgrowth they thrive on fiber which is why the elemental diet
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has no fiber in it full circle here and why a lot of people shy away from eating a lot of vegetables
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when you're doing a SIBO specific food guide or a low fermentation diet because your gut with those
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overgrowth ferment the fiber.
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It is mean.
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Bastardous.
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It is so mean.
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Yeah.
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I would agree.
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Yeah.
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There are a lot of tools now.
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So we recap, we have procaine, we have dextrose, we have ozone,
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we have digestive enzymes.
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We have elemental diet.
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We have elemental diet, which by the way,
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tastes so much better than it did, even though I was saying it's super sweet.
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Like
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Vivenex, which was the original, I think the easiest way to describe the taste was vomit in
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your mouth for two weeks, for 14 days.
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Yeah.
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I tell my patients it is borderline torture.
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And now it is better tasting.
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Yes, for sure.
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And depending on how you read the data, elemental and semi-elemental have close-ish efficacy,
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and the semi-elemental diets actually taste pretty good.
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Pretty good.
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Yeah.
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So Dr. Mark Pimentel and Dr. Ali Rezaei,
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they have these are the leaders in microbiome research they're the ones that brought the
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microbiome to gastroenterology they're in a very large uh hospital in los angeles they have labs
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named after them they are like really the cutting edge and wonderful people by the way and they have
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recently done the study about the elemental diet showing like a hundred percent recovery i think in
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my clinical practice, it's not my first tool by any means.
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I think that if I want to get to 100%,
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not everybody can do that just with one gut.
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Great.
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So we're talking about SIBO, which is
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small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
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And then you've got the different gases that are overgrowing,
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the different organisms that are producing, farting out these different gases.
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And so that's
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a hydrogen gas, a methane gas, or hydrogen sulfide.
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What are the symptoms?
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Bloating,
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constipation, diarrhea, alternating constipation, diarrhea, pain, belching, discomfort in the GI
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check.
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Not able to eat foods well.
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You're like, oh my gosh, food sensitivity.
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Like that's the
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first thing people go to is that food sensitivity test, which is maybe a great idea because some
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people, it is a food sensitivity.
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Other people, it's this overgrowth.
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Yeah.
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In my practice,
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which is a hundred percent GI specific, I don't find it very valuable.
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I mean,
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And everybody who's coming to see me.
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Oh, the food sensitivity testing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Everybody who's coming to see me has intestinal permeability or leaky gut.
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So that's just a very expensive way of telling me what you're eating.
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But I think if you're not in a practice like mine, it actually probably has some efficacy.
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On the other hand, like if you have been struggling and suffering for like forever, this is what happened to me.
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Then we'll wrap up.
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I saw a little college friend.
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It was so great to see Mary.
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And she's like, you know, I haven't caught up with her in literally like a decade.
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and she's like, so how's your belly?
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How's your gut?
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I was like, what?
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Why are you asking me that?
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She goes, yeah, you used to walk around with Maalox at college.
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I don't remember.
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Yeah.
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But I had normalized it so much.
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And the only thing I knew to do was when I was a kid,
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I, you know, I walked around with Maalox.
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And so here we are decades later,
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she's asking me how my gut is because of the Maalox.
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And I was like, darn it.
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Yep.
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You've been out this a while.
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Yeah.
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Food poisoning at age five.
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and it changed the trajectory of my health and my life.
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But also changed the trajectory
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of how you are helping the rest of the world.
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That's true.
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We are grateful for your suffering
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because I think you're giving people an education
46:34
that they would not have access to if it wasn't for you.
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Well, I'm very appreciative to you
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and Dr. Alison Seebecker who introduced me to you.
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We love Dr. Seebecker.
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She's an amazing human being, by the way,
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not just like a phenomenal SIBO specialist.
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No, she actually truly is an amazing human being.
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Isn't she?
46:49
She really is actually.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Thank you for spending this time with me.
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I really appreciate it.
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Thank you for talking me into coming to this conference so we can get to see each other in person.
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And I hope this really helped.
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There is hope.
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There is definitely hope.
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And I know you're going to sit there and go, I wish Dr. Gerbich was my doctor.
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Do you do telemedicine?
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I do.
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I am licensed in Oregon, Washington, and California.
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And I have a team who works with me who I train up.
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Are they educational consults?
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They're educational.
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Yeah, yeah.
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For other states.
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Educational consults, yeah.
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So she can give like, I can recommend and suggest and I can direct, but I can't give you medical advice and I can't order any prescriptions.
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I can't do any labs.
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It's just a conversation.
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It's an educational consult.
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It's really cool to get her eyes on your case.
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All right.
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You're amazing.
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Thank you so much.
47:34
Thank you so much.
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