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Law & Order: Politix · Politix

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SPEAKER_00: You know, so he's guilty here.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think that sets you up to make the case that,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: the reason for all the delay in the other cases is that he knows he will lose them too.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey, everyone, you're listening to a free preview of a politics podcast special edition.
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SPEAKER_01: Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony counts of creating fraudulent business records
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SPEAKER_01: to cover up his 2016 election crimes.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's what this episode is about.
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SPEAKER_01: Hey everyone, welcome to a special Donald Trump felon episode of the Politics Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm Brian Boyler.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Matthew Glacius.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's what this is about.
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SPEAKER_01: Law and order, colon, politics with an X. The rule of law is a very serious thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Justice has been served.
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SPEAKER_01: About an hour prior to now as we're recording this,
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SPEAKER_01: it's like 5.45 on Thursday,
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SPEAKER_01: a jury in New York found Donald Trump guilty,
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SPEAKER_01: so unanimous,
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SPEAKER_01: on all 34 counts.
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SPEAKER_01: These were felony counts of creating fraudulent business documents in order to cover up other crimes.
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SPEAKER_01: And in this case,
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SPEAKER_01: the other crime that is of relevance is that he entered into this hush money scheme
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SPEAKER_01: to pay off a porn star so that her story wouldn't come out before voters cast their ballots.
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SPEAKER_00: So wait, can we just do some factual background?
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SPEAKER_00: 34 counts means, it's not like 34 different crimes.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like 34 instances of the falsifying of business records.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, there was a conspiracy that involved paying back Stormy Daniels and technically other people.
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SPEAKER_01: But so the charges are broken down by incidents of creating the fraudulent cases.
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SPEAKER_01: business records, but that was in service of a single conspiracy.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And the way that this works legally is that the crime of falsifying the business
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SPEAKER_00: records sort of supervenes on the idea that it was to cover up a different crime,
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SPEAKER_00: which is an election law crime.
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SPEAKER_00: And that
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SPEAKER_00: charge would be a federal charge.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like out of Bragg's jurisdiction and hinges on, like the FEC has become completely dysfunctional.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that's like why it's this kind of like
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SPEAKER_00: secondary cover-up.
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SPEAKER_01: This is sort of...
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SPEAKER_01: There's an element of truth in what you said,
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SPEAKER_01: but the step-up charge...
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SPEAKER_01: So at a baseline level in New York,
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SPEAKER_01: it is illegal to create fraudulent business records,
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SPEAKER_01: period.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's a misdemeanor if that's all it is.
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SPEAKER_01: If you just...
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, shoot, I forgot.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to create something.
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SPEAKER_01: And then somehow somebody finds that.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a misdemeanor.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you listen to the episode I did a few weeks back with Rebecca Roife,
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SPEAKER_01: which I think is still really valid for understanding what happened and also why
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SPEAKER_01: people who were dubious in this case were wrong to be dubious.
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SPEAKER_01: They do that because New York depends on people adhering to rules, like listening to regulators.
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SPEAKER_01: And if they are creating...
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SPEAKER_01: fraudulent records that regulators then might need to review at some point in the future,
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SPEAKER_01: that is going to trip up the fair business practices in the state.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's why it's a crime.
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SPEAKER_01: It becomes a felony if it's part, as it usually is, of some larger purpose.
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SPEAKER_01: Most people don't just
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SPEAKER_01: create- Partial business records for no reason.
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SPEAKER_01: Just because.
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SPEAKER_01: They're usually doing it for tax fraud purposes.
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SPEAKER_01: Or in this case,
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SPEAKER_01: there was a step up on the basis of violating New York tax law,
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SPEAKER_01: also of violating New York state election law,
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SPEAKER_01: and an intent to violate federal election law.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's why it was charged as felonies.
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SPEAKER_01: And we can't be certain sitting here which jurors thought which-
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SPEAKER_01: Ancillary crimes made the charges stick as felonies.
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SPEAKER_00: So this is one of the questions that the jurors had asked the judge, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Because a felony conviction in the United States has to be unanimous.
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SPEAKER_00: And so they had asked the question, do we need unanimity on...
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: just the fraudulence of the business records,
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SPEAKER_00: or do we also need unanimity on,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: what the nature of the underlying conspiracy was?
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SPEAKER_00: And they were instructed that they didn't, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That as long as you agreed that there was a conspiracy...
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SPEAKER_00: and that the business records had been, I'm saying defrauded, but that's not the word.
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SPEAKER_00: Forged.
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SPEAKER_00: Made fraudulently, right?
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SPEAKER_00: That was the point of unanimity.
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SPEAKER_01: I believe that was just in the jury instructions.
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SPEAKER_01: It wasn't something that the jury probed for.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's part of the reason why I think there's been a lot of like navel gazing on our process
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SPEAKER_01: in our realm of the political discourse and why Republicans have been sort of
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SPEAKER_01: running amok lying about this case is that this is like,
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SPEAKER_01: sounds strange.
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SPEAKER_01: It sounds like Donald Trump is now a felon because he did things he wasn't even charged with doing.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's, if you ask people who practice law in the Manhattan DA's office,
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SPEAKER_01: It's just extremely – it's like a routine kind of prosecution.
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SPEAKER_01: It happens frequently.
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SPEAKER_01: It happens to small entrepreneurs and big businessmen.
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SPEAKER_01: And the statute is just written this way,
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SPEAKER_01: that if you create the fraudulent record,
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SPEAKER_01: you've committed a misdemeanor.
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SPEAKER_01: If you did it with the intent to do any other crime –
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SPEAKER_01: Even if you didn't pull it off or even if you're not charged with that crime, you're guilty of a felony.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that's why we now have Donald Trump, 34 times convicted felon, which feels pretty good.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm actually happy recording one of these episodes for once.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's nice.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I show it, you know, I mean, obviously.
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SPEAKER_00: There's only so much aimless speculating about political impact that I want to do.
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SPEAKER_00: But one thing that I thought was notable,
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SPEAKER_00: just a tweet that came out earlier today,
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SPEAKER_00: is David Kleon,
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SPEAKER_00: who is a leftist who I often find annoying.
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SPEAKER_00: He said today, what did he say?
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SPEAKER_00: He said, we're all libs today.
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SPEAKER_00: And so part of the political impact that I think this has,
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SPEAKER_00: even if you think this doesn't move any swing voters at all,
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SPEAKER_00: or like obviously real conservatives won't care,
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SPEAKER_00: but like...
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SPEAKER_00: There's a big block of people in America who don't like Donald Trump,
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SPEAKER_00: who may have strong disagreements about some other topics,
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SPEAKER_00: including,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: there's no way for Joe Biden to be president of the United States and handle the
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SPEAKER_00: dozens of issues that come his way and make everyone who voted for him happy about
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SPEAKER_00: every choice that he makes about that.
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SPEAKER_00: But this unifies everyone who voted for Biden before.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like, this is good.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, fuck this guy.
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SPEAKER_00: It's bad.
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SPEAKER_00: I do think,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: there have always been like some leftists who are just like so anti-system that they,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: look askance at this kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I think...
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SPEAKER_00: Broadly speaking, if nothing else, this unifies anti-Trump people.
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SPEAKER_00: It's a good shot in the arm for morale.
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SPEAKER_00: It feels nice to win.
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SPEAKER_00: I think people always underrate ex-ante, how much they're going to like winning ex-post.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's going to happen.
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SPEAKER_00: Is Trump going to do jail time?
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SPEAKER_00: Is he just going to appeal this 17 times?
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SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
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SPEAKER_00: But it's a tough day for him.
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SPEAKER_00: You can tell,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: he has had a lot of bravado about this case from the beginning,
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SPEAKER_00: but he has not wanted to lose it.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, he didn't... He put on a defense.
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SPEAKER_00: He ranted and raved.
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SPEAKER_00: He got all these people to pledge fealty to him.
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SPEAKER_00: He's trying to win.
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SPEAKER_00: He lost.
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SPEAKER_00: He's disappointed.
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SPEAKER_00: People who don't like him are excited.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, on the facts, like, I think the facts are more damning than the law, to be honest.
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SPEAKER_01: I agree.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean... Like...
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SPEAKER_01: You know,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: and it's literally true that this is...
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SPEAKER_01: Sitting here,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm forgetting if it's called Class C or Class 5 felony in New York.
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SPEAKER_01: It's basically not a very serious crime in the firmament of New York criminal law
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SPEAKER_01: to falsify a business record for the purpose of advancing some other scheme.
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SPEAKER_01: So, like, even if he is sentenced to jail time, it probably won't be very much.
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SPEAKER_01: But the other scheme, like...
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SPEAKER_01: finagling illegal campaign donations essentially so that he could give them to
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SPEAKER_01: mistresses so that people wouldn't find out about it before the election.
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SPEAKER_01: As the prosecutors in the case said,
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SPEAKER_01: in an election that close,
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SPEAKER_01: it very could well be why he became president,
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SPEAKER_01: why all of our lives are different and worse as a result.
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SPEAKER_01: And I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: I find it like very cathartic for a small measure of justice to come from the fact
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SPEAKER_01: that he basically won that election by cheating.
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SPEAKER_01: There were so many but four reasons why he became president.
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SPEAKER_01: But one was that he was a scofflaw throughout,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: not just in this case,
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SPEAKER_01: but with encouraging Russian cyber crimes and and and then.
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SPEAKER_01: There were Hillary Clinton's emails, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Or John Podesta's, I guess, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: There's never been an accounting for it,
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SPEAKER_01: and Democrats have not wanted to look back to be like,
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SPEAKER_01: the Trump years have an asterisk on them because that election was suspect,
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SPEAKER_01: and so we're going to try to set things right.
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SPEAKER_01: They've tried to move on from it.
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SPEAKER_01: And as somebody who finds that all very unjust, this is like the first time
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SPEAKER_01: The system has produced some acknowledgement that the way I feel about how Donald
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SPEAKER_01: Trump became president and everything that's come since is vindicated.
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SPEAKER_01: It's correct.
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SPEAKER_01: That's good.
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SPEAKER_01: I like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't know how,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: so I've been talking to some people who,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: work on messaging and look at testing and different kinds of things like this.
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SPEAKER_00: The people are going to get us all killed.
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SPEAKER_00: No,
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SPEAKER_00: so,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: one point that they make,
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SPEAKER_00: these are,
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SPEAKER_00: so,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: in 2016,
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SPEAKER_00: Hillary's messages against Trump emphasized character attacks on him very,
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SPEAKER_00: very heavily in her advertising.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of the post hoc analysis of that was that she,
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SPEAKER_00: not that it was a mistake to run those messages,
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SPEAKER_00: but that she over-indexed on it.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: that she outspent Trump quite badly,
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SPEAKER_00: but went way past the point of diminishing returns in terms of like these ads about
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SPEAKER_00: how he's a scumbag and left a lot of kind of opportunity on the table to raise
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SPEAKER_00: things that people didn't know about Trump's policy agenda.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of what's frustrated you about Democrats since then has represented a kind
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SPEAKER_00: of an interpretation of that interpretation of Hillary's campaign.
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SPEAKER_01: Over-indexing the other way.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: something that people have told me is that,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: one of the arguments for not endlessly rehashing this stuff is that people had
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SPEAKER_00: already heard a lot about it.
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SPEAKER_00: If you look now at some of the swings in the electorate,
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SPEAKER_00: like Harry Hadden had a good piece about this,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like Trump is doing so much better in 2024 with voters under 25 than he did in 2020.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's a very narrow slice of the electorate.
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SPEAKER_00: So to be clear, it's mostly a different group of people
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SPEAKER_01: I think what you're getting at is these are people who did not hear the Access Hollywood tape.
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SPEAKER_01: They have no recollection.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
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SPEAKER_00: So to the extent that your view in November of 2016 was like,
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SPEAKER_00: we went in too hard on this,
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SPEAKER_00: like everybody already heard it,
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SPEAKER_00: and then we just wasted our time endlessly recapitulating it,
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SPEAKER_00: Biden has upsides.
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SPEAKER_00: with a cohort of voters who were not eligible to vote in the 2016 election.
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SPEAKER_00: That's actually a group that is a major persuasion target for Biden.
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SPEAKER_00: And so re-litigating old Trump scandals with them actually like...
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SPEAKER_00: It's like consistent with the logic that was like, we need to not relitigate these scandals.
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SPEAKER_00: Like now actually states like, no, we should relitigate these scandals.
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SPEAKER_00: Like we need to tell people who like literally were not around, not just about the, um,
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SPEAKER_00: fraudulent business records,
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SPEAKER_00: but like that the point of this was to cover up an affair with a porn star while
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SPEAKER_00: his wife was pregnant,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
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SPEAKER_01: And to keep that from coming out in the wake of the Access Hollywood tape.
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SPEAKER_01: And like,
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SPEAKER_01: I think a subtext of what you're saying,
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SPEAKER_01: and it's important,
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SPEAKER_01: it's probably obvious to some people listening,
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SPEAKER_01: particularly people with children,
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SPEAKER_01: but like if you were 13 or 14 when that tape came out,
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SPEAKER_01: there's a good chance that your parents specifically did not tell you
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SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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SPEAKER_01: What happened?
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SPEAKER_01: Because what he said on the AXS Hollywood tape was, I grab women by the pussy.
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Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And I get away with it because I'm a star.
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SPEAKER_01: And when the Stormy Daniels news came out a couple years later,
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SPEAKER_01: that was about the president sleeping with the porn star.
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SPEAKER_01: If you don't want your teenage or preteen children to know that kind of thing,
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SPEAKER_01: which I think is a common sentiment-
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SPEAKER_01: They might just not know that that happened.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's probably a few million people.
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SPEAKER_01: It's good for them to know now, now that they're grown up.
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SPEAKER_00: My son is nine, you know, so he will not be voting in this cycle.
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SPEAKER_00: Notwithstanding the Chinese propaganda that he's been receiving on the internet.
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SPEAKER_00: No, he has no TikTok.
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SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about it, guys.
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SPEAKER_00: But, you know, we had to talk to him from time to time about like why we don't like Donald Trump.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, one of the, we mentioned policy messages to him.
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SPEAKER_00: But we also characterize it as he says a lot of mean things about people,
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SPEAKER_00: which is a good way,
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SPEAKER_00: I think,
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SPEAKER_00: to describe to a child.
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SPEAKER_00: It's good parenting.
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SPEAKER_00: And in a child's head, you really tell kids you're not supposed to say mean things to people.
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SPEAKER_00: But if you heard that when you were nine-
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SPEAKER_00: Then it's like 10 years later,
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SPEAKER_00: you're like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh my God,
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SPEAKER_00: like my lame mom said he like said mean things about people.
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SPEAKER_00: But like, no, like he didn't say mean things about people.
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SPEAKER_00: Like he said that when I see an attractive woman, I grab her by the pussy because I can't help myself.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like he...
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SPEAKER_01: And I get away with it because I'm a star.
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SPEAKER_00: And I get away with it because I'm a star.
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SPEAKER_00: And now he has this affair.
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SPEAKER_00: He covers it up.
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SPEAKER_00: He assumes he's going to get away with it.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of dirt out there that has actually not been rubbed in the faces of
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SPEAKER_00: the youngest cohort of voters.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not, I think, knowable ex-ante how much they will care about it.
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SPEAKER_00: But the theory that this was baked in to Trump does not apply to the youth cohort
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SPEAKER_00: that is specifically where Biden has had erosion,
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SPEAKER_00: which I think is just like,
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SPEAKER_00: actually like reconciles different people's
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SPEAKER_00: views of the system that like this Trump character stuff is in fact damaging to him,
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SPEAKER_00: that maybe a lot of that damage was baked in,
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SPEAKER_00: that some of it has maybe faded because people haven't talked about it,
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SPEAKER_00: but also that like a lot of people like haven't,
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SPEAKER_00: haven't heard this stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and, and, and you gotta do it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like you, you gotta redo it.
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SPEAKER_01: You're a, you're a literal minded person.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I think that you're going to agree with me on this.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: I hope you will,
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SPEAKER_01: is that like we know what Republicans are going to say about this verdict because
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SPEAKER_01: they've been saying it.
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SPEAKER_01: They said it before the verdict came out.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: They just want people to believe that it's a witch hunt and rigged and Mother
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SPEAKER_01: Teresa couldn't have gotten a fair shake from this jury,
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SPEAKER_01: whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, Democrats need to figure out what they're going to say.
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SPEAKER_01: And I mean, I saw Jerry Nadler's quick response, which was good.
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SPEAKER_01: Like no business being president, you should drop out or something like that.
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SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
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SPEAKER_01: Um,
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SPEAKER_01: but like if,
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SPEAKER_01: if the,
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SPEAKER_01: if the objective is to use this as an opportunity to remind people who may have
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SPEAKER_01: forgotten or tell younger people who may have never known about this sorted aspect
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SPEAKER_01: of Donald Trump's life is like,
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SPEAKER_01: Having Joe Biden,
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SPEAKER_01: who's basically sworn an oath of silence about a lot of Trump's legal issues,
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SPEAKER_01: most of them,
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SPEAKER_01: to come out and say,
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SPEAKER_01: essentially,
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SPEAKER_01: to the young people of America who might not have known this,
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SPEAKER_01: the Republican nominee for president,
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SPEAKER_01: boasted on tape about assaulting women.
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SPEAKER_01: He has now been convicted of felonies for covering up an extramarital affair he had
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SPEAKER_01: while his wife was raising their infant son.
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SPEAKER_01: And a jury, a different jury in New York, adjudicated him to have been guilty of rape.
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SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_01: And you should not let a man like this be president a second time.
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SPEAKER_01: He should have never been president a first time.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that just literally, I want you people to know this would be a perfectly good message.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you don't need to be over clever about it.
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SPEAKER_01: But like stepping down from there, like there's a lot of ways to use this, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like if you want to be a little more coy about it, you could say,
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SPEAKER_01: People get turned away, like get rejected on applications for apartments and jobs for being felons.
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SPEAKER_01: People can't vote if they're felons.
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SPEAKER_01: Donald Trump wants to be president despite being a felon,
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SPEAKER_01: and that's outrageous,
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SPEAKER_01: and the American people shouldn't let it happen.
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SPEAKER_01: The worst thing that they could do,
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SPEAKER_01: and this is where I fear the leadership of the party is going to want to go,
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SPEAKER_01: is to say something like,
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SPEAKER_01: nominating a felon is a problem for Republicans,
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SPEAKER_01: not for us.
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SPEAKER_01: We're busy.
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SPEAKER_01: We're going to focus on America's kitchen table issues and let them deal with that.
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SPEAKER_01: And I feel like these are like,
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SPEAKER_01: in the immediate aftermath of the verdict,
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SPEAKER_01: these are the three kind of buckets of rhetoric that Democrats could dip into.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm glad that some of these message testers are finding this because maybe that
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SPEAKER_01: means they'll be more aggressive with their messaging,
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SPEAKER_01: but it would be a huge,
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SPEAKER_01: huge whiff.
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SPEAKER_01: if they did the last thing and were like,
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SPEAKER_01: not our problem,
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SPEAKER_01: enjoy your felon candidate,
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SPEAKER_01: we're going to talk about something else.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, rub the salt in while you can.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: well,
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SPEAKER_00: so let's,
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SPEAKER_00: should we maybe take our paywall here and look at some of the early reactions?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's do it.