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EP179 - Alien - Romulus · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Thirsty for More. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host Malenko and malex n. This is actually
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  Speaker 1: a revisitation of the Alien franchise series because today we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about twenty twenty fours Alien Romulus, directed.
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  Speaker 2: By Fea Albarez, who did Don't Breathe, Evil Dead remake,
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  Speaker 2: whom I like. Watching this movie really solidified my absolute
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  Speaker 2: love for him as a director and a writer, because
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  Speaker 2: he really is functioning within a very modern landscape in
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  Speaker 2: terms of filmmaking, very contemporary, like Don't Breathe is I
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  Speaker 2: think what came out in like two eighteen two, the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen something like that. And yes, as much as we
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  Speaker 2: pointed out last in our previous episodes that those times
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  Speaker 2: have a very specific feel to them, they were very contemporary,
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  Speaker 2: like it's like young people twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, Yeah
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  Speaker 2: they have on social media.
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  Speaker 1: They point in our most recent episode, well.
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  Speaker 2: That that like one that those that era has a
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  Speaker 2: time like a feeling to him nineteen he has a feeling, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like a very pre COVID whatever. But also just him
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  Speaker 2: as a filmmaker feels like a person who is avidly
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  Speaker 2: making movies for now and knows how to do that,
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  Speaker 2: even though sometimes with like varying degrees of success even
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  Speaker 2: within the movie itself. But like we live in such
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  Speaker 2: a hyper accessible and critical time, like critical as in
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  Speaker 2: as in criticizing that, Like I'm this was like a
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  Speaker 2: huge welcome for me on the front of Alien the franchise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw a meme that said something like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: don't give us new Predator movies where you explain more
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  Speaker 1: of the shit and go more into like Laura and backstory.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a fucking Predator like Prey where you're dropping
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  Speaker 1: Predator in like a pirate time or totally exactly putting
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  Speaker 1: people in an extreme situation and you're lowering the fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Steaks and not just the stakes, but creating different steaks
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  Speaker 2: for a different thing, which is what Predator did perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: And this movie copied that, which is I'm going on
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  Speaker 2: a mission, and that mission features aliens, not this is
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  Speaker 2: an Alien movie about attacking the aliens or getting Whalen.
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  Speaker 2: Tutani is getting the aliens well, and they.
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  Speaker 1: They find a way to connect the dots in a
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  Speaker 1: way that like also, like you said, makes a contemporaneous
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  Speaker 1: like I would not put this out of the realm
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  Speaker 1: of an Eat the Rich movie, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because it's always about the evil company, but we see
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  Speaker 1: the way in which the company is evil on a
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  Speaker 1: micro level here where like we have intergenerational slavery where
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  Speaker 1: it's like the kids of miners who are mining for
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  Speaker 1: whaleen tutani and terraforming, right, they are getting the energy
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  Speaker 1: that we that we need to power this whale and
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  Speaker 1: Twutani empire. Right, And so like I would not put
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  Speaker 1: this movie outside of of a Eat the Rich, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it feels like it leans
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  Speaker 1: into some of its more eat the richy tendencies because
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  Speaker 1: it uses whaleen Tutani as this like kind of like
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  Speaker 1: stand in for empire or for like you know that
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  Speaker 1: kind of like whatever oppressive corporation. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the movie starts out with I think I turned
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  Speaker 2: to you right away and was like no, because it
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  Speaker 2: starts out with capturing the alien from the Nostromos from
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  Speaker 2: So it's an intqual a lah saw which is hilarious
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  Speaker 2: because Saw ten was so good as an intercoal different
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  Speaker 2: genre because it's a heist, right, So they followed the
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  Speaker 2: rules that we've set out already.
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  Speaker 1: Equal change the genre change the steaks or readjusted readjust stakes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say, as a person who's very much
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  Speaker 2: not a fan of like fan service stuff, some of
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  Speaker 2: it was handled with a lot of finesse and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of like agility, and some of it was really
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  Speaker 2: cringe super crich. I did not like the I know
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  Speaker 2: we're jumping it way ahead. I did not like the
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  Speaker 2: get away from her, you bitch. I get it, I understand,
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  Speaker 2: I know, but we can get to it, if we
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to it.
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  Speaker 1: I was I thought you were gonna say I didn't
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  Speaker 1: like for me. The part that was was annoying was
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  Speaker 1: the gun handling Rickly, we could get into that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that because it was such
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  Speaker 2: a like that's so import that was.
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  Speaker 1: In fan service. It's a sweet moment from another movie.
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  Speaker 1: That was characters that I liked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that you're trying to like these characters I did
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  Speaker 2: like too. They were a bit thin, they were a
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  Speaker 2: bit thin. The actors did a good job, but they're
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  Speaker 2: not I think these actors they're very young, so they
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  Speaker 2: need guidance. But Andy, that guy did not need any guidance.
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  Speaker 2: That guy did such a good job.
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  Speaker 1: I mean and I you know, I I thought, I
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  Speaker 1: think there was a moment where you were annoyed at Andy.
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  Speaker 1: Andy the Android, which is never mentioned, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: but it's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: No he has it's mentioned that he's an android.
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  Speaker 1: No no, no, no no, I said, he's never named as
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  Speaker 1: an android. And I'm just like, I think Andy and
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  Speaker 1: Android isn't like an accident. Definite also kidifying Andy because
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  Speaker 1: like they do the thing where Okay, so we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to we'll get to Andy's character because.
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  Speaker 2: Well let me, let me explain the first bit of
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  Speaker 2: the movie before we get into the story.
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  Speaker 1: But there, I was just gonna say, you rolled your
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  Speaker 1: eyes a little bit at Andy. I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did, And I was like hold on. No, you
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  Speaker 2: didn't say hold on. You were like, I like the dude,
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  Speaker 2: come on. You were like come on, and I was like, uh.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see trouble the process.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see uh, And you were right like smashing my microphone.
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  Speaker 2: And the process did did pay off there, It's still
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  Speaker 2: the beginning part is still a cringing performance. I would
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  Speaker 2: say it builds in a really nice way. There are
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  Speaker 2: some things that felt like I don't know about this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is why I wanted to see it again
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  Speaker 1: because I talked to you today about like I almost
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  Speaker 1: wish that I am coming off of seeing it twice
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like all the things that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: like that I had that no, not that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: like that I had a reaction to in the first
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  Speaker 1: ten minutes of the movie, I feel like now I
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  Speaker 1: would see with different eyes.
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  Speaker 2: I think so too. And I was gonna say the
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  Speaker 2: prologue and the epilogue were also very interesting. It feels
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  Speaker 2: like a five act movie or like a four act movie.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like it has like multiple climaxes at the end.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like it has like a wrap around to
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  Speaker 2: kind of bumper a little bit of the lore stuff
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  Speaker 2: that seemed not forced, but like had quote unquote had
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  Speaker 2: to be in there. What was annoying about the beginning
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  Speaker 2: is like, why do we need the no Strawmos to
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  Speaker 2: be involved with this kind of shit at all? But
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  Speaker 2: then what was interesting about the idea of the alien
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  Speaker 2: following the lore, the alien being a perfect specimen that
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  Speaker 2: can just kind of survive in like harsh the harshest states,
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  Speaker 2: kind of building a cocoon for itself in space until
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  Speaker 2: it lands somewhere and then it can break get warm
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  Speaker 2: enough for whatever to break free and like Rekavoc or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: or become a queen, and then like multiply or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That's all inferred from the movie. They kind of like
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  Speaker 2: you see a spaceship ominously, it opens up, it grabs whatever,
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  Speaker 2: the alien from the Nostromos.
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  Speaker 1: Grabs a piece of poo from because.
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  Speaker 2: Of the poo from space. And then that's the epilogue.
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  Speaker 2: We basically see like they're like bringing it into prologue
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  Speaker 2: pardon to experiment on, and then we get the real
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  Speaker 2: story where Andy gets introduced with Rain and great characters.
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  Speaker 2: Great characters Rain I felt again a little bit boring.
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  Speaker 1: There was a hollowness. I think, Yeah, I think Andy
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  Speaker 1: is the real compelling main character, main character, Yeah, which
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  Speaker 1: was an interesting choice because it almost feels like weird
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  Speaker 1: detached from the human POV in the movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And also it feels like what the first three of
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  Speaker 2: the Modern David character arcs were supposed to be more like.
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  Speaker 2: But this was just way better.
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  Speaker 1: It was handled. It was handled better because because they
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  Speaker 1: give him but like a what what is a real boy?
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  Speaker 1: They give There's so much interesting stuff about morality explored
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  Speaker 1: through his character. I think that what we can get to.
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  Speaker 2: So Andy is a reprogrammed synthetic Uh that is was
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  Speaker 2: rescued by.
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  Speaker 1: Rain's dade as a minor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was programmed to protect Rain and like
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  Speaker 2: they're just siblings.
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  Speaker 1: It's John Connor and.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, which is also like you can tell that
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  Speaker 2: Fede is a guy.
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  Speaker 1: Who's like, you know, make it a little terminator.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Like so much of it was like, we'll
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  Speaker 2: make it a little bit of this, we'll make it
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of that, which annoyed a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't find that annoying.
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  Speaker 1: No, because it's not like the movie doesn't is not
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  Speaker 1: able to handle the weight of itself right exactly stands alone.
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  Speaker 2: I think so to Rain, after getting disappointedly after fulfilling
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  Speaker 2: her her days on the planet with mining with yeah,
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  Speaker 2: with with Andy for mining, uh, the cynical lady being like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's been upped, and then she just doubles
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  Speaker 2: the amount of time you'll be.
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  Speaker 1: Free to go in about seven to eight.
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  Speaker 2: Day years and it's like, oh yeah, and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Immediately crushing, yeah, immediately like.
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  Speaker 2: And it and it brings the stakes up for us
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  Speaker 2: as the character.
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  Speaker 1: Loach movie.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, totally totally where where like like it's
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  Speaker 2: the the scariness is the the bureaucracy of it and
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  Speaker 2: like hit like that very interesting, very cool of it.
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  Speaker 1: Also harkens back to the first movie of like it
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  Speaker 1: being workers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, workers, it harkens back to the third movie being
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  Speaker 2: in prison, or like time time being a factor that's
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  Speaker 2: very different in space than it is or something worn
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  Speaker 2: by marines space Marine. Yeah, totally. And then and then
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  Speaker 2: we which is great because it's like it moves, the
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  Speaker 2: plot moves very quickly, and and then we get the
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  Speaker 2: hest element where we get the rest of our characters
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  Speaker 2: who are Rain Andy Tyler, which is Kays's brother. It
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  Speaker 2: was a character named Kay, Kay's brother and Rain's ex boyfriend. Fine, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and uh Kay Tyler's pregnant sister. Spy Bjorn are Tyler
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  Speaker 2: and Kay's cousin. I love that they're families too, my family.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it makes it, It makes it work because we
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  Speaker 1: see sort of how that plays in later on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh Navarro who's the pilot, the shaved head
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  Speaker 2: lady who's Bjorn's girlfriend. So, like, what's nice about it
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  Speaker 2: is we get built in we get our main characters
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  Speaker 2: who are are Rain and Andy, and like we get
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  Speaker 2: their little story and a little backstory. Andy tells jokes,
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  Speaker 2: Andy is there to protect Rain. Is Rain's mission is
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  Speaker 2: to get the fuck off this planet because she wants
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  Speaker 2: to go to I forget the planet was called, but
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  Speaker 2: she wants to go to a different planet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just wants to get the fun and and those.
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  Speaker 2: Are all very nice motivations for everybody. And these guys,
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  Speaker 2: they're the crew that we have is planning a heist
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  Speaker 2: from a ship that took the alien. We find out
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  Speaker 2: they took the alien from the Nostromos and the ship
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  Speaker 2: is two separate ships combined to Romulus and remiss Uh
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  Speaker 2: and the.
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  Speaker 1: The Mula section Romulus sections salvaged material that they plan
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  Speaker 1: to use in order to hyper sleep for their their
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  Speaker 1: because they're like sixty five million light years away from Earth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are nine light years away from or
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  Speaker 2: are there? They're nine years away from that planet that
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  Speaker 2: they want to go to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, so they need to go into a nine year.
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  Speaker 2: Hyper hyper sleep. And they go in simple simple plot
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  Speaker 2: and like one to one, that's the plot of the
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  Speaker 2: entire like first act, that's the whole mission. That's the
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  Speaker 2: whole mission.
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  Speaker 1: And like, it's cool the way they set it up
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  Speaker 1: because the stakes are automatically high for these characters. Like
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  Speaker 1: these are kids, and they're all very young, and I
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  Speaker 1: like the deliberate casting of the very young people because
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's like people in their like early twenties
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  Speaker 1: or like late teens, Like it's like kids, and they
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  Speaker 1: are kids. They're just renegade kids of miners who don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the fuck they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Uh and uh, the well, actually the stuff's
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  Speaker 2: on the Remiss ship they have to get to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: The remissship is the one that has the cryostasis tubes
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  Speaker 2: or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And what's cool about it too is that we don't know,
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  Speaker 2: they don't know that the alien is there, and they
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  Speaker 2: get like a huge surprise when it when it happens.
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  Speaker 2: But what's awesome about it is the tension and the
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  Speaker 2: build up between characters is really nice too. So the
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  Speaker 2: character Tyler.
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  Speaker 1: Which guy is that again?
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  Speaker 2: That's the guy who's like the cousin of the main
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  Speaker 2: dude character.
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  Speaker 1: Who is it the gut?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because because his mom didn't get killed by an android.
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  Speaker 2: But the android that made a decision.
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  Speaker 1: The android made a decision that resulted in his mom's
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  Speaker 1: death because it saved more people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the android. The androids are obviously not allowed to
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  Speaker 2: kill people, but they're allowed to make decisions to for
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  Speaker 2: the maximize.
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  Speaker 1: There are allowed to be. They're allowed to be uh a,
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  Speaker 1: John Mills Stewart the car. They're they're definitely for the
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  Speaker 1: greater good. They're like, well, but Kamala and you know,
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  Speaker 1: like Kamala is Brat, they're very Kamala is Brad.
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  Speaker 2: And oh maybe it's Bjorn. Actually that's the character. Anyway, Well,
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  Speaker 2: the names are a bit like messy because I haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen that. We haven't seen the movie. But the hot Head,
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  Speaker 2: we'll just call them the hot head. And we'll call
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  Speaker 2: the the Wiener boyfriend, the boyfriend boyfriend, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: guy who was like doing the Hicks moment with with Rain.
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  Speaker 1: But whose boyfriend is he? Rain? Rain?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Just I'm just giving the the the like vague
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  Speaker 2: then vague titles so we can refer to them in
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  Speaker 2: some way as opposed to Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but he's never her boyfriend. Do they
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  Speaker 1: hook up or anything?
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  Speaker 2: Or like, are they I thought they were like implied,
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  Speaker 2: like the implied like sexual tension between them and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't feel a lot of that. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing is like now when I think of the characters,
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  Speaker 1: it feels more like Part one in a way, where
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  Speaker 1: they have Part One characters made cool shit through interactions
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  Speaker 1: and these guys also have those, but they just they're
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  Speaker 1: not as well defined for some reason, or maybe I
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  Speaker 1: just haven't seen it in them.
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  Speaker 2: No, there, I think you're right. I think the impact
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  Speaker 2: is way less because they are very thin, and part
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  Speaker 2: of the thinness it comes from the fact that it's
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  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of that set up. Like imagine like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well they have this the it's like a three or
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: four minute sequence of like getting an alien from the
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  Speaker 2: first movie, taking it, cutting it open, revealing it, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So it's like then you have
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  Speaker 2: these like very quick moments of her life, Rain's life
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  Speaker 2: being like both very shitty, which is it's a great choice.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great choice. The the mining planet was a
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  Speaker 2: good idea because that is that is the kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing that would exist. Absolutely yeah, and then the the
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to the bureaucratic more bureaucratic place. In the
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  Speaker 2: second Alien where they go back to that planet and
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  Speaker 2: it's been colonized, it's a lot more these are our offices.
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  Speaker 2: This is what we're doing. You're seeing that element because
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  Speaker 2: Ripley was part of that guard like because she earned it,
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  Speaker 2: because she's like the company didn't want to make like
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  Speaker 2: a big deal. They wanted to like kind of shut
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: her up about it. So that's like an interesting through line.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing that feel a little bit thin is
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  Speaker 2: because they're you're launched right into the plot right after that.
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  Speaker 2: We meet all these characters very quickly, and you kind
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  Speaker 2: of have to They kind of had to like alien
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  Speaker 2: to it when it's like, okay, we've we got to
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  Speaker 2: know these characters. They want to steal something, let's go right, uh,
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  Speaker 2: and then throughout when they're actually on remiss. The nice
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  Speaker 2: thing about it is that you get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the backstory of each of them. Why this dude hates androids? Uh,
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  Speaker 2: he's that okay, good, we have motivation for him to
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  Speaker 2: be a hothead. We've got the the like boyfriend guy
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  Speaker 2: or like what do.
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  Speaker 1: You want to call him?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. We call him he's the boy boyfriend yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The boyfriend is like, oh okay, like cool, cool, but
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  Speaker 2: you can't be a hot heead we're on this mission, right,
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  Speaker 2: He's the like more level headed quote unquote leader until
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  Speaker 2: Rain has to like take charge, right because he is
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  Speaker 2: the de facto leader, right group.
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  Speaker 1: And then that's handled well because it's only like in name,
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  Speaker 1: like he's like he's got the plan right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's ripley in the first one because
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: like Dallas was the leader, but then Dallas fucking gets killed, right,
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  Speaker 2: So there was nice references but also building a lot
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  Speaker 2: of nice plot and tension.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And then we've got the pregnant sister of of the
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  Speaker 2: the what's it called the hothead guy.
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  Speaker 1: Very important character. Dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was so down, we like, especially with the pregnant stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, what's gonna happen?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Then you the way that we both knew that something
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was gonna happen.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I loved it. Loved it. Yeah. And then when we
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: get to the first real alien scene, I thought it
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: was brilliantly fucking handled where they go into where the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: cryo tubes are. The leader or the boyfriend realizes they
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: don't have enough years on the actual cryo tubes to
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: be able to get ice, to.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Get the free.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Refrigerators to can stay icy cool for nine years exactly.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: So they go in the mission gets corrupted and they
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: have to now figure out a different thing. So so
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in order to get that thing, they go to.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: The mission is corrupted. Moments in movies are always it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: It's great. It reminded me of Battlestar Galactica in a way. Dude,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: it reminded me of of.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Uh Predator. Again, they were skinned alive, you know, when
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it becomes a different thing, but it doesn't become aliens
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: yet where it's like it becomes a thing of like fuck,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: yeah we have to.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yet. I love that.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all that's really cool. And then they go
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: into this like uh so, oh I forgot the main
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: one of the main cool things about this is justifying
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So Andy his bluetooth is attached to all mothers in
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the whalent Tutani tech. Yeah that's a great choice. That
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: was a great, great choice because he's still kind of
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: independent of it. Yeah, but but he is connected. So
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: they're like, listen, he's a hacked phone. He's a he's yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: he's not bricked yet, So like so they modulated him
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: for because it's just the computer, right, you could do that.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But what's nice about it is that the reason they
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: need they don't need rain, they need Andy, but Andy
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: comes with rain. That's also an interesting dynamic that played
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: really nicely both her as them as siblings who are
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: having grown up and definitely experimented with him as as
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: one does when they're But but it's it's interesting that
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: he he has to finger holes in to unlock things.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And what's nice about the scene is getting onto the ship.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: He gets in no problem, but getting into this space
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: where they need the cryo stuff to add more years
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to the cryogenic tubes, that opens up but then closes
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: because he doesn't have certain kinds of access to the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: materials that are in that room, and in that room
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: are the face huggers made from this alien.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, so right there, I'm gonna stop you. The amazing,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: amazing choice of leaning in to face huggered them in
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a way that no other movie has I think was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: like such a brilliant choice because it's it appropriately lowers
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the stakes in a way where you're like, the face
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: hugger was always a mean to the end, the face
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Hugger was was actually served in the first movie as
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that secondary problem of like, yeah, the mission, what are
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: we doing now? Right totally, so like it was a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: means to get to the alien. But in this movie,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the face hugger is shown for its own true terrifying nature, right,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the idea of impregnation, the idea of bio hacking, the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: idea of.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Like spider weaponry.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Spiders like that are creepy, that crawl off all up
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: beside you. That's sneak, yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly, that that have the ability to hide very much
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in ways that the alien actually doesn't, and the capabilities
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: are very interesting, which was exploring the aliens in that
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: one scene scene where but this this also added to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the lore in a really nice way to where it's like, oh,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they feel warm if we bring up the body temperature
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, stuff like that. It's like adding
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to the lore without making it like.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Remember this, well they Jurassic Park it a little bit
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: with like they can't see if you don't move.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, but yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was an interesting choice with
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: bringing up the heat in the room and there and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: then going run.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Were like sticking their fingers like they looked amazing, awesome.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: The face stuff was my favorite stuff.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I think so too.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I Actually, you know what I'm going to say, all
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of the monster stuff in the Lees handled really well
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to talk about it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You know what. There were some parts that I did
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: role as that I was like, no.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It was so cool. Actually, one thing that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I really really hated as a fan, as a fan
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: service moment was passing by the body of a ripped bishop,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: A ripped Bishop, a k A ripped ash ak a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: ripped rook Okay, Bishop rook Bishop of course, dude, of course,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: well you got that too, Yeah to bishop, dude, what's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: funny is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Melted plastic scene face? Why was the upgrade of of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the the Why was the upgrade of the anti model
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a worst puppet face?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: We don't know, Well, we needed a people felt uncomfortable
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: with a black robot, white British man to be.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Model.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I loved that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I thought that was an incredible That was incredible.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I think I think the movie would have had more
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: impact if it wasn't a reference to another. It didn't
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: have to, it didn't have to be. It could have,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: actually it would have been. It was you know what
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: what could have worked another David.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Another David would have been a good bridge ripped David
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: because then you're doing the reference and you're handling it. Well,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you can cast Michael, but.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: They wanted you can cast Lance hendrick It would have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: been was I talking to you about Bishop? What if
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: it was Bishop?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Okay? And you said, I think we talked about did
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: we talk? Was it you and I were talking?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Did you what if it was?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: But the interesting thing about it being bishop and it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Lance Hendrickson is alive too, like you can face you
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: could face capture it, rather than like having like the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: weird AI. I mean, it's Ai used as on an AI,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: which is interesting. But the thing about it being one
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: another Bishop would have been a bit like but what's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: interesting about that is, at least for context, we had
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: him as being a good guy.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I hate that the conversation was, well we can't
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: have bishop, yeah, because why not?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Totally?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Why not? But also I like the idea of models
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and choices for how the machines interact. And maybe it's
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: like sometimes it's just money. Companies want to save money
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: all the time, and they will do like mass productions
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: of like yeah, it's easier to make one face over
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: different kinds of faces. You pay for a custom face,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: What I mean. Yeah, Or that certain science officers may
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: become like this and that's how you know that they're
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the science office exactly.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Or or different models have different levels of like whatever
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: work they do. But like the nice thing, the reference
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: point of the Bishop is the Bishop is the higher model,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and he references that in the second one. Right, So
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, those were always a little buggy, So
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: this one is a little but it's but they've all
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: been evil to even Bishop has been evil.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Has been evil Bishop.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: But even original Bishop was evil too because he the
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: implication is that he planted the egg, gone to the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and and poisoned the ship and was getting taken back
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to to right. Yeah, they they not only did they
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: tarnish the reputation of Newt and fucking Hicks, they killed
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: off Bishop and made him evil.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Listen, the third one is the boldest one.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I think you're right like that, those
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: are bold moves.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of so dark.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: You had the like metal the dude from the Iron
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: other day, he's so new metal dude. I mean, well
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you could you'd have to be on a planet like that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: That's the only way you could harness your gainus is to.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Be new metal dude, you have to be a little gamma.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So I was really resentful of Ash being there,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: despite like all the logic that I can like put behind.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to do that. I don't
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: want to have to do It's the same thing with Prometheus.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to do the homework for
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you to make.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It doesn't dive into any stuff with Rook that was it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Could have been handled in any other way. You could
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: have done it in any other way. Wait, what are
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: you saying, either a fostpender or have a no name
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: person or just have a different robot who cares? He
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: wasn't that important.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I know. I that's the part where like I think,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like Keys had that spoiled for him.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I figured that that was the spoiler for him, and.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: He really reacted strongly, I think, and I think he
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: was considering not even seeing this movie in theaters, which
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I think would be a huge mistake. And he asked
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: me afterwards, just tell me, should I see this in
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: theaters or.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I'd say it's like a really yeah, I mean it actually,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I will say spoiler alert, it did make me like
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: The Covenant and and Prometheus.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And we'll get to we'll get to that part of it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Like backlorifying is like a very saw move, which is
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: very interesting because you did mention and I think backlorifying
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is also very much a staple of our time, of
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: our sequel sequalization time, because we understand, because we understand
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the importance of sequels and lore in a way that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that is a type of like it inserted fans, it's.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: True, and and also it as as a whole that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: like it seems like it was even started in Resurrection
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: backlorifying things.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always been a part of the series,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and this movie is illustrating that to us by referencing
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: all of them.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: All of them, Yeah, totally and.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Like very painstakingly referencing all of them, but also very
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: not hitting the nail on the head, like that's not
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: beating us with it, not like fucking torturing us with it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Well, not not torturing us with it in the plot
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and character a way.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I never felt like I was watching a Star Wars franchise.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: No, I never felt that either this felt still within
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the realm. People have said that it sounds like it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: written by AI or that, and I completely I completely disagree.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I can see why it does feel written by a person.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It feels like a person who does has seen those
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: movies so many times, written.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: By some we feel written by people someone who loves
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: this franchise in the including the Bad One and.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Including the about one hundred percent in a way where
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, I know exactly what I love about the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Bad Ones.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So because like referencing the Goo in the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: way that they did in the movie, they did a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: really good job. They did such a good job of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: glorifying the goo. I was like, because the goo is,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like I think, a pretty polarizing thing, like as an
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: idea of a weapon. But being the strength of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: sequels always was to see the strength of the original material.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: So once again using really Scott's idea in the best
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: with the best possible sort of like with the most
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: generous possible interpretation.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the intention behind the other ones, because I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: think the sequels also make Part one better. Oh, the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: sequels definitely make Part one better. On Yeah, absolutely, In
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the same way that this sequel makes Prometheus better. This
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: sequel makes Prometheus better. And maybe maybe this is like
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: a you and me problem that didn't exist for other people.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I think it did exist for other people. But having
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the world, having the world contained back in a time
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: where it's the nineteen seventy five non Prometheus time, while
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: at the same time building towards a Prometheus is interesting
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: because of the fact that all of the characters in
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Prometheus feel a little off and unhinged in a weird way.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's because, yeah, this is what life is
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: like for them, you know what I mean, this is
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the life that they have. Some of these people who
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: are on this ship right now know that it's weird
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and they're there for money, and they are a bit unhinged.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Some of the.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Reactions seem a little more justified.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about Prometheus now? Yeah? Well, for me,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the problem with Prometheus is it feels like a ship
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: of a bunch of people that bought into Crypto.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It's like nobody's gonna spend like like half a decade
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: floating through space away from everything they love for what
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the promise of like like what was it like Riches
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: or like it was like something like that really stupid
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and shortsighted in a way that like just doesn't acknowledge
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: human behavior in a way that I feel is not
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: fair to.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Really to like writing people, but the interesting or likable people,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: but maybe they're not. Maybe we shouldn't like thee right,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: that's the thing.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And part of the missing element of that movie was
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the unlikeability. Like I like Knu mir or Pace, I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: didn't like her boyfriend. I thought her boyfriend was a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: moron who like took his fucking helmet off immediately and
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like was like outrageous. Maybe that's why David could finger
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: his fucking drink and he wouldn't do anything about it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: You know. Stuff like that like really bothered me about
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: the movie. But in part it was the like, oh, dude,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: like none like Cain, fucking what's his name, Dallas, what's
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: her name? Or what's their name? Actually? Uh was it?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Carol?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: The cast members of the fucking original movie are so likable.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You don't want any of those people to.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Die, even people who are like kind of dicks or whatever,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: or or like like Dallas is a bit of a dick,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: or or Harry Dean is like he's a little bit sarcastic,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But like there's they're like
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: you don't want any of them to die, you know
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Whereas like Prometheus felt like in a
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: modern horror sense where it's like I want all of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: these people to fucking die. I fucking hate all of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: them except for David and and uh, what's what's her name?
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Numi repas well.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: So okay, so I didn't have that problem with this movie.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I had a different and I won't say problem, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: had a different viewing of this movie. I sort of
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: watched it knowing.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Oh no, Just what I'm saying is they just that
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the character of those guys behavior and the Prometheus seemed
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: more like they come from a dystopia, that's why they're here. Sure, okay,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that's yeah, exactly, that's weird. Unhid people right, Sure justified
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: those for me.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe you're right, like this is also like a time
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: where people are space colonizing, and like there's like a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: bunch of like, you know, I don't know, like there
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of like scientists and a need for
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: like people who are going to be like scientists, breeding
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the new race of the future, in the time, all
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: of this stuff, so like maybe, yeah, maybe I don't know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: but but but that's what like lowering the stakes in
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: this movie made it cool. Yeah, because and it also
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: another thing I wanted to say is knowing what these
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: kids would be up against and given their like I
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: don't know, they're not Marines, they're not like you kind
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of know that they're all going to die in a way,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and that they might be able to like just survive
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: by outstard but you know that they're going to die,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: so you don't The goal isn't like, oh I hope
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: this person survives. It's more like, let's see how this
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: plays out. That's what I felt like. So that's why
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I felt a little bit like Andy in the movie,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: because I felt detached in a way, but not in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a bad way, like just in a way that I
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: was able to kind of like just anthropologically observe what
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: aliens would do to like dumb kids.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, space kids totally, space brats, Yeah totally, and and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: they they Andy was a really good choice for that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: because as they get through, uh, as they get trapped,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Andy and the boys get trapped, I don't know, there's
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: something in the water fucking so British.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I loved it and it was amazing.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It was amazing, Like that was also a reminder of
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the third one.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, and like putting the making making it automatically
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: gives it like a class yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. And the water gets like let out.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: The aliens start warming up because they've taken the cryo stuff,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: but Andy doesn't have access to this, so the door closes,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: but it gets jammed, so that gives them motivate the
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: rest of the our gals to motivation to come on
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: to try and save one to save her boyfriend, and
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: two to say brother, save her brother, and the other
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and and also I guess the boyfriend.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: It was interesting making like the the idea of an
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: adopted like android brother, yeah, because like there is that
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: like love and familiarity, but also like he Andy doesn't
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: necessarily have the same capacity to reciprocate exactly.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And and them being the others being cousins is
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: also interesting because it's like, oh, we're related, yeah, cussin cussin, yes, Jef.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's and that those kinds of familial ties
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: versus like what is this a fucking robot?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, and those kinds of questions, but the brilliance
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: of having Oh that android has a disk we can
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: put into Andy that'll update Andy and Will will he
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: can finger the hole to get us out. Okay, great choices.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about this part
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: because the idea of upgrades, the idea of him being upgraded,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the idea of like, because it can't be overlooked that Andy,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the character, to a degree, is playing some kind of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: idea of autism. Yeah, like or like some kind of
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like and I say this in quotations, but like disability
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: because like I don't think he is necessarily he's just
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting to show that through a robot
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: because it's just a different ability. It's a different way
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: of reasoning, it's a different way of like setting something up.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And like it was, it's always been the kind of
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: function of this type of character in movies, like a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: data or a spock, you know, like the know everything,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like the weirdo. He's weird, he's like savant and quotes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, like this outsider person that has like amazing abilities.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: But like you can do so much exploration with a
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: character like that, And it also I think in a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: time where we do have way more of an awareness
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: of what autism is and means, it can be explored
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in movies through characters like this in different ways. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I think it treated it with Andy in such an
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: interesting respect.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because and the reason I think that it works
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: so well is because we already automatically put on a
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: scale that robots of this kind are better than us
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: or like stronger, faster, They can store d in their
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: brains that we can't because it's a different kind of data, right,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And that because there is that element to it, and
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: because there's an element that we're watching a robot and
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: quote nquote a robot and not a person, we can
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: disconnect a little bit from a cringey autism performance exactly,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: rather than a a broken quote unquote broken android or
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: a fixed android or a differently abled android. You can
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: explore a lot of that kind of stuff with well, it's.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: A cipher, right. And it's like, I think what's interesting
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: is it's I want to talk about the upgrade.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Because yeah, well let's get to the let's get a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: plot wise so that we can like move on because
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: we're still in the first Like I don't think like
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes of the movie Lean movie too, Lean movie movie. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: very like no that really for the like fan service stuff,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: but like no fat really with the no.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's why I'm saying it's not bloated.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It's like I think that's what's been running throughout our
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: conversation is that it doesn't feel like there's an ounce
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of bloat.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so all of a sudden, the aliens are
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: or the face huggers are all in the water. They're
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: getting like bumping in and they're jumping. They're fucking scary.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: They're like aquatically trained and physically trained, and like they
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: it's amazing.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Also hearkening back to on a way smaller scale, hearkening
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: back to the fourth movie with the alien swimming swimming.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: We know that aliens are adept. It is lorified that
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: aliens are adept at swimming through water.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And uh, you know the Rain and the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: other two I think two other one other characters on there.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I think that that's the woman who's Navarro. Rain and
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Navarro are on to try and open the door from
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the other side, and she Rain gets the idea to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: upgrade with with Rooks what's it called sim card car
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: she puts it in him and him updating too was
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: also very scary because he has to do it and
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: it has to be a process, like the upload has
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And there's also sorry. I'm really sad that Leila is
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: in here specifically to talk about the more Romanesque like references,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: because I do feel like there's like something with calling
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: it Romulus and like bring the idea of bringing kind
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of like an awareness. I think there's something missing in
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: our analogy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I know that we will be able to cover unfortunately,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: butmus and Romulus being together, it's part of a myth.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Famous brothers who bring something to Rome and they bring
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: about others we don't know, we don't know, do you remember?
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But he when he gets the update, he turns up
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: as if to be like I've received and zee no
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: wisdom that I don't don't have from before. And this
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: is what I wanted to talk about, because to me,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: this is really important. He's kind of this portrayal of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: ultimate neutrality that has just good programming, and we're showing
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that if with the wrong societal programming, I guess, and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that is through the idea of corporation and loyalty to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: corporation instead of loyalty to people, you can do bad things.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: So his when he's loyal to her and she's the
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: one he has to protect, then he's good in quotations,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: and I don't think the movie is seeing it in
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that myopica way, but I'm saying for the function of
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the movie, he's good when he's for her. When he's
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: for the corporation, he's Yeah, his his principles are compromised
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: because he's functioning in their interests and not in her interests.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: But we only see that in this very like flat way. Yeah,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that is purely from his perspective. Yeah, totally, And I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: think that's super interesting.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very cool because it allows you to see
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: the reasoning behind certain why people decide to do certain things,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: and why people decide.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Why does one person decide to dedicate their life to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: working to help their community and to help people, and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: another person uses their one life to you know, profit
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and subjugate and whatever, you know what I mean. Like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: it kind of like it allows for the it allows
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: for that larger stakes of like commenting on humanity to
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: be flattened out in this like storytelling way that we're
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: just seeing through this these simple characters.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I really enjoyed when when he finally gets
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to a point where he's re uploaded. He's very smart
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: and capable smart. He's very like he's got Rooks like programming,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: so he like just goes and like does things based
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: on the mission, the mission that Rook basically.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Has smoother and the way the actor acted the change,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it's very subtle. He's not not himself, No, he's just
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like himself.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Plus, yeah, that's it's it's it's an up.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: It's an upgrade. It's an upgrade, and it was like
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: acted as an upgrade. And I thought it was really
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: cool because he also doesn't understand certain things and still
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't understand why he's doing certain things. Yes, I thought
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: that was really cool. Yeah, I just like I feel
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: like this movie is he was such an interesting main
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: character in this low key main character.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: He is a very low key main character. And also
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: he gets the upgrade. Uh, they pull pull out the door.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Now we can like move in terms of the plot,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Like there's not really that much anymore plot. That's like
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of the plot and then a lot of
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: it's like scenes and then the ending gets back into lore.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: So it's like plot action lore, and it's it feels
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: like all three aliens spread out in that kind of format,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and like eventually they they break out and they run
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: away from a lot of face huggers, and one of
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the face huggers gets onto onto name Navarro and like
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: man the gross like dick pulling out of the mouth.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Both like they do a lot of great stuff where
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: it's like if we freeze it at the base of
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the tail, oh, the tale is gonna kill her right,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: like good ideas.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Smarter and like more adept in certain ways than like
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: other people have been in this situation. They also use
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: what they have around them to total aren't they asking?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they they reboot, Yeah, they reboot Rook and certain
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: introduction to Rook.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah who I Immediately he's like, yeah, it's so evil.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: That's also the problem of having a character come back,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: which is like we already know he's evil. He was
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: evil before, and he got ripped in half like Bishop
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: got ripped in half, Like come on, dude, like that
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: that's why. And and a David would have been because
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: a David has two he got we've got Walter and
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: we've got David, right, but David, but David. So it's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: it is a bit of a bummer that they put
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: him in because we knew he was going to be evil,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: but like him kind of guiding them through the process
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and maybe making not being evil was kind of interesting. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: he's basically explaining everything to them, uh and explaining to
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to what's his name? He has a What was interesting
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: to explore too, is that he now has a connection
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: to Andy, Yes, which was great because he's like, well,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: your programming market is this. Yeah. I loved that. That
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: was cool.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, we're not there yet.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: We're not there.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: He's just rebooted and he's talking to them and he's like, oh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: maybe you can do this. I don't know the ingestion,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like he's being kind of cagey but also helping them
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: He's like I can't see him completely evil because I've
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: got to see this mission through. But I'm like, damn, dude,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Like that's some commitment to the mission. Like and also
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I loved when he's like, and what is your mission?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Andy? And he's like to protect and he kind of
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: forgets and it's very awesome. It's like, but.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be fucking canceled.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and then yeah, it's it's like he he
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: but but I like the way Rook uses Andy because
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: he's like Andy, like you're aware enough to be like
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: these people don't matter. You're the person that matters, Like
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: you should say and you should be impressed by this beast,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like there there is a
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: like alorification of the David thing too, where he's like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I want to be make the perfect thing because I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: am the perfect thing. I'm the better than And.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: So this is where thematically the movie referencing the other
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: movies is interesting because this idea of the perfect organism,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the perfect organism is mentioned in alien lore so much
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and then but it's explored in different fashions in all
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: of the different movies, Like they're, you know, the Original
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: four our trying to kind of harness the actual alien,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: but the Prometheus ones are like talking about pioweaperny upgrading ourselves,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: And this movie leans into the self up upgrading idea,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and that's what the is for can a human be
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: human plus? And then also this idea of can an
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: android be an android plus? And can appeal to an
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: android's sensibility of self be like enough to convince that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: android to have a different solidarity.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but and also Rooke convinces Andy to kill
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Navarro because she has an alien in her because of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the face Hugger implanted and just stated in her already.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: And Andy does that thing where he like U T
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: one thousands after he.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Like dead Eyed goes he's dude, his.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Dead Eyed performance was incredible.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Well that's what's amazing because he's like, well, I just
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: have to do this now. Like it's like there's no
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: empathetic consider there's no compassion in any of his decision.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: He's not like thinking about this person having a life
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: or anything. He's just like, well, I'm going to kill
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: this person now. And everyone's like, oh.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, totally. He's because they don't know yet that
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: the gestation is happening, yea, and they want to get
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: it before it happens. But Andy does. The great thing
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: about the morality of all the movies is that most
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: people are doing things for like pretty reasonable reasons, Like
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Ripley does the right thing and is like, I am
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: not letting this person who's been like like a parasite
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: is attached to them. No, that's not what we're doing.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: We're keeping that guy out and we are saving this
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: And she's right, But the morality for the audience at
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: least should be like, oh no, like that's bad. But
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: we all know as the audience that like it's building tension.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Now it's like Andy's going to try and kill them,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: but they all have motivation to go. Bjorn has like
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: is like invested in this person because they're friends, and.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Of course we have the relationship. There's a relationship shorthand
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that I think, you know, like serves only as a
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: functionality in the movie. It's really like.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: No, totally. Yeah, it's very plot oriented, like for reasons,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: you know, it's their reasons.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they love each other.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: They love each other. Yeah, I believe them. And but
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the alien the now chest burst. They get onto the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: ship Navarro, Bjorn and what's her name are the pregnant one?
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Fuck I didn't I didn't remember their names. This is
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: another reason I wanted to see it a second time.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I know, I okay, okay, she's kay. Seemed fine and
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: she does seem fine through most of this movie. And
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: they get back onto the ship the alien bursts out
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: of Navarro's chest like she's trying to drive the ship
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: to get away from Andy, and she ends up dying
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: and the ship ends up crashing on to Romulus. So
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: now they have the rest of the crew has to
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: get to the other side from Remiss to Romulus while
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: at the same time trying to avoid scary scary face
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: huggers and on the other side they don't know that
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: like a you know, an alien is burst out of
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: her chest and it's growing and growing and growing and
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: going to follow them eventually to So the plot is basically, now,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: let's get from Remiss to Romulus and a bunch of
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: things happen in between. But a lot of this alien
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: now is like taking people captive to and like putting
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: cocooning them and putting them in including the pregnantly too.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: She gets taken, she gets she gets concooned. Oh and
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: the alien that like goos up into a vagina.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Would the guy fox the pussy?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally with with that, like electric.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: What it like. I mean, I'm glad that they did
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that because like in a way like they made it
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: look like super like a volva, and in a way
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that like I think it was just the movie acknowledging
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: mother a little bit, you know what I mean, like
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: it just I.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Think the implication of of that is that it's turning
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: into a queen. I think what happens is this is
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: my theory. I think what happens when there's a solo alien,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: it turns, it turns into a queen.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And then because.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: So I think that's what was happening to it, and
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: that's why a big pussy.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I think so too.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that like, it's funny when when that
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: guy uh tries to fuck it with the kettle prod.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: That's Bjorn.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I think you didn't mention the cattle prod, which was
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: a cool weapon to have in this movie of like
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: electrocuting the guys electric in the face huggers and like
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: using it as a blunt object. Totally the idea of
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: blunt object. I forget who I was talking to. Oh,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: maybe the fact that I like that these face huggers
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: are a little clumsier. It feels kind of like bad
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: swimmers in a way because they've been like ges stated
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: in this like way, Yeah they've had to like yeah
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: us through goo and yeah, I don't know, I thought
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that was interesting, Like they're kind of bad swear, Like
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: they're not like the most adept at like always like
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: locking onto everyone, and they're like easier to like bat
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: out of the web. But I think that's cool, Like
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: it makes them makes them because they have to be
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: more the main kind of bad guys in the movie
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: and makes it cool that they're harder, that they're easy
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: a bit easier to fight.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: And also like it feels like these guys have enough
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: of like a youthfulness that like thirty something smokers in
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: space would be like what.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Is this.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: You know, and then it's like, ah, you know what
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, So like having these like twenties something like sp.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Yeah, they're like no, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: mean in the.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: First one they're like minors and also like forty year
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: olds who are like like Harry Dean is like I
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: think he's like fifty in that movie.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Jane seemed fine.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so yeah, like there there are certain scene
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: like now I'm like losing a bit of the train
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: in terms of like what's happening in the plot, But
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: eventually we find out that like what the mission was
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: originally in the original movie was to bring back aliens.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Not for a weapon, which is interesting. It's to make
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: people more efficient, which is so much better, like more
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: interesting because like I mean.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: You know, the upgrade humans we have to evolve. We
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: can't just take the natural root anymore.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: But like in that era, you've got like you're coming
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: off the like war, right, like Vietnam is still in
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: people's minds. That makes sense to be like weapon weapon weapon,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: and then like eventually every movie builds on that.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But now we know that, like there's more of an
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: awareness of like how labor functions. Yeah, exact people are
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: units of labor, and that's exactly. If you attached to
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that unit a higher like value or upgraded or whatever,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: then you.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Kind of you don't have to spend as much.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's this also this idea that like you
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: have even more ownership over that labor because then.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Because you're upgrading them, you're giving them a supply of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: something that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Otherwise exactly, so they are reliant on you to get
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: the vaccine. Dude, that's what they're doing.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: They are totally vaccinating people. But there is a reference
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: to like like COVID. This is very COVID movie.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cod movie, like I would be like mine.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Fever, don't come in if you have a fever.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was totally and and it did feel very
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: twelve Monkeys in that aspect too, but like the because
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: it was funny, dude, that part was really funny if
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: you do have a fever, like the the like we
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: were talking about the subway the next up you're as
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: opposed to Yeah, like when a human does it, it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: it's it's exactly. But that that reveal of of the
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: go I thought was like, man, if you told me that,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I'd be like that sounds so annoying. But watching it
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: when when Bishop but not Bishop Rook is like explaining, Oh,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: they did like these tests on the rats, right, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: you see the rats like get crushed and then they
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: inject the the goo into it and it just gets fixed,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: like reverse motion fixed.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: That was cool, I love.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: And then but then it like you you see it explode,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: but then you see the aftermath of the the like experimentation,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: which also reminded me of the fourth one with the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: multiple ripleys exactly meant oh definitely, but also like Jars,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: but also meant to reference the like obviously the Prometheus
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and and which the direct Yeah, I honestly,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: this just made it part five dude.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, Yes, I honestly, I.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Was like a seven illogy or it made me man Prometheus.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Because it is well like all the things that I
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: say are it, Like it's so well directed, it looks amazing,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: but the writing isn't there. It just isn't there.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like with a few tweaks, it could have
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: been incredible. I think that's why everyone's got such like annoyed,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Like everyone's so annoyed with it because like you could
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: have like, yeah, you could have tweaked, do something, do something, yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: You know, so that kind of stuff I really enjoyed.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: When all the aliens start coming in and they're like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: going through the hallways trying to get to the other
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: ship so they can like get off, so they can
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: get the cryo tubes and get the fuck out of here. Man,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: it was really intense. And a lot of aliens are
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: in the movie. There are a lot of like actual
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: like aliens, which I don't know how they got there, but.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I think the idea was that they had already implanted
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: people on the ship that they that are on remus
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: or it is. Yeah, on one of the ships there
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: was people and they already all got.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: All totally yeah. And also they include that we didn't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: mention this, but the inclusion of oh, the gravity machine
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: isn't working.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Oh man, so we'd like it's actually a functioning thing
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: throughout the movie. The gravity is the real tries the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: tooth of the movie totally because like it starts off
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: with like it's got an automatic clock on the gravity
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that like it suddenly gets like makes the gravity work.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: But they didn't do enough of they should have done
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: some Yeah, totally people like breaking making stuff.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally absolutely, But it's used for for good measure
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: in the plot of the movie where there's a whole
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: bunch of aliens coming at them. Andy and should we
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: just go all over the place now gravity generator. Yeah,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: we should say that it's a gravity generator, that it's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: used a bunch throughout the movie. Yes, we should go
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: all over the place.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is after they find out
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: that that the goo was meant for upgrading humans, they
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: realize that that rook slash Ash is actually just an
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: evil guy who wants to use Andy and Andy doesn't
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: want to take out his his upgrade. He likes the upgrade,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: which was I thought was great. And then as they're
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: running away, we.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Also get something else that's laurified in the movie that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Andy has these seizures. He has these repeated seizure moments,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: so that will play in Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: And uh, they're like running through Uh. The lady who's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: pregnant gets cocooned. She gets stabbed and cocooned, and we
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: think that she's dead, but then we hear her and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Tyler is like, oh no, that's my sisters her job. Yeah, totally,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: and they go down and they save her from the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: cocoon uh, and they pull her out and then but
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: they've saved a tube of the like goo black goo,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: and they're like, we could use this and there she's like, no, upgrade, No.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Don't just freeze her. We should just get it out
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: of her.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should just get freeze her and get it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: out of her. We'll figure it out.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: And she's right, she doesn't want to take the vaccine.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't want to take the vaccine.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: They can't even call it legally, you can't even call it.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: It's a gene it's a g It changes you on
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a genetic level.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: And she she's like, go, I'm gonna save Andy. And
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: to be clear, we were making h She's going to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: save Andy, and she wants to take out his upgrade,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to, and she's like, i'll save you.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I'll do the anti seizure thing if if i'll give
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: you your medication if you take out the upgrade, and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: he's like, all right, well I better be alive then
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: not upgraded. So he lets her not upgrade him, but
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: then he got the woke mind virus and then uh
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: there they're calling the elevator down and all the as
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: are coming, and then she's like, oh my god, what
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: are we going to do? And then they turn off
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: start shooting at the aliens so that the acid doesn't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: melt the hull reach and then they're like using like
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: not being in gravity to like go past the floating acid.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Was so amazing.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: I thought it was such a.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: Good idea and also reminiscent of the like yeah, like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: you know fact, So this one referenced hard for such
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: a strong way, such a very strong, very strong like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: laurifying the acid in a way of like and like
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: breaching the idea because like it's not as big a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: hull as that like huge ship.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: This like the acid could actually yeah exactly.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: And then we get to the point where they're like
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: floating through like ducts and stuff like that, and then
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: the the anti grab the gravity machine turns back on
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: and she tries to get to Andy and he they're
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: all falling, and then an alien grabs her.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: And so this is very alien to the elevator shafts.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Alien three, where it's like trying the tooth
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: with like, oh I can implant this. Like the idea
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: that they're thinking beings too is really nice and does
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: a lot in this where it's like they know what
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: weapons are even though they don't like they recognize a thread.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: They're like intuitive.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like also like grabbing rain when she's falling,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: and then it's like, well, I'm gonna I'm not gonna
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: kill it, I'm gonna use it to implant more, you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like that was like a cool
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: idea because at first I was like why did why
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: did she Why didn't the alien just eat it or whatever?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, yeah, they need more humans.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Well, their whole thing is like a survival.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Survival, perpetuating whatever.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: They want to proliferate, they want to like become the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: main Yeah, totally, they're they're like the woke point viruses.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And then but then like he the alien puts
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: her down and like it's going to kill her, and
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: then Andy falls down with the gun and is like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: he shoots her, and it is like, get away from her.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: You no, you didn't do the pause. It was get
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: away from her, you bitch.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like I guess Andy is like learning stuff.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was whatever, but in the movie, but like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I think they did it the best they could have
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: and in an interesting like there's an interesting in character
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: moment for him, and it more speaks to his performance
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: than the actual like goodness of the inclusion of the world.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: It's like the oh, I'm self aware and I can
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: curse now because he never cursed before either. So that
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: was kind of a okay character moment. But it's just
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: like it was cringey. But we get to sort of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: the end. They kill a lot of the aliens. As
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: as Kay is going up the elevator, she stabs herself
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: with the mind woke mind virus. Unbeknownst to anybody else.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: They think they're all good.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: And eventually has the best LGBTQ child she could.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, yes, absolutely, uh has a kid out Wait,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: hold on, they get we get to the point where
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, we're free, we're good, we're in the tubes.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: We can we can save ourselves cryogenically ship ourselves over.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: And her baby has been infected with this like goop
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: and he becomes it becomes I don't know, like it's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: it's very scary looking.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. So she gives birth to this like.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Pod which is like an like an egg, yeah.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: And out of it hatches a baby that grows really
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: fast like a kind of borg cyborg hybrid something we
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what. And like, I like the extreme body horrorness.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: It felt very Cronenberg. It felt very like honoring the the.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: First In the fourth one, it felt honored the Prometheus.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the head guy vaguely looks like one of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the architects, but it's got the body horror of the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: offspring of the like weird hybrid offspring and the Alien
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Resurrection movie that's like got you know, like weird.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Extreme Yeah, very tall, like a lanky and and like skeletal,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: lone out, Yeah, skeletal, but very like very scary, very imposing.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: We just saw that this is like a guy that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: was in a suit. He's like a seven to seven guy,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Like he's seven foot seven.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he just has made a little bit of
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: makeup on. It's it's incredible the performance, the body and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: the like way that he but the scary the like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: in a similar way that the architects were.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like kind of graceful. Yeah, and also like hollow,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: the hollow face and eyes like brilliant, brilliant, amazing brilliant
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: to this actor's credit, and like he was cast like
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: specifically for obviously for a stature and yeah, and look
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: and I think that like it the way that the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: movie used that, but it's also like honoring that in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a way, like you know, like obviously it's supposed to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: be like a monstrosity and it's supposed to be like
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: humanity kind of like turned in on itself and on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: its head, and like it's it's exploring the extremness of that, right,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: and like this idea of like perfection and then like
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: this being wants to then like feed on the mother
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: but like like suck the life force out of the other.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, almost, Yeah, it's it's very.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: So it's really playing into the like that fear of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: like also pregnancy and being like the symbiosis of pregnancy
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: and the idea of like, oh no, there's another being
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: inside of me. That's obviously throughout all of the franchise present,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: but in this movie especially because then you have the baby,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: and the baby is like the worst thing that could happen.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Apparently totally totally and yeah, it's it's killed in a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: very similar.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Way as being sucked the hull a melted hull because
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the gravity is placed back and then the airlock has breached,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and yeah, the alien get the alien baby is getting
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: sucked and.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Then let me see what happens at the end.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: But it's funny that he's like an adult.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Like he becomes an adult very quickly.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: The metabolism of the he gets the alien metabolism, and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: he's just like but imagine, like he's just an adult,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: but like has only instinct to guide him. Yeah, because
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: he's a baby.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Adult, that's true. Yeah, the the hybrid kills k and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: inres Andy, but Rain manages to eject the creature into
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Jackson's Rings, the like ring planet that they're on,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: that wouldn't include either talk about but the beauty of
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: like having the elements nature destroy technology or and to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: help humans very and it's beautifully shot and really well
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: it's some.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Of the rare outer space stuff we get in this movie. Yeah,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: because we also didn't bring up that these kids, previous
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: to breaking the atmosphere of the planet that they were
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: serving on, they had previously never seen the fucking Sun.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah have you ever.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Seen it before? Yeah? One time? Blah blah blah. Like
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: it's like that kind of lore that's.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Cool, which I really liked. And it's also it also
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: makes reference to the Fourth One when Ripley finally comes
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: back to Earth and sees the Sun.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Loves the Fourth One.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Loves the Fourth One? Yeah, totally, totally. The fourth is
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: the best one. Yeah, like thinking about it more and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: more because it is the best. Thinking about it more
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: and more, what would you write the movie?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Well? Are we done?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: No? I mean that's the ending. Well do you if
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about it?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I just wanted to talk about that moment
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: of like the like how the space ring starts breaking
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: into the ship. Oh yeah, totally so cool that I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: was shot and like the kind of spinning out of control.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I thought it was brilliant.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing. Yeah, what happens to rain?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: And she does she doesn't she give him new orders.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Now we protect us, we're the family.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she gives them new orders and she she does
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: a captain's log at the end and is like, I'm
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: might make it to Vargas. I think Vargas is the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: name of the planet that they were going to go to,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: and she yeah, she does a ripley where it's like
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: I hope, I hope will be okay or whatever.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: The other thing we didn't discuss though that I think
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: what's really interesting is like Rook keeps wanting to like
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: take over.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Like oh the ship. Yeah, he keeps telling different people
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: like when he when he sees Kay she he's like,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: She's like, who are you? I'm a friend, you know,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: and I can take I can guide the ship to
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: wherever it needs to go. Subterfuge because because she's the one,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: he knows that she stabbed herself with the goo yea.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And like sort of but the sorry the subterfuge of
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: like of like sabotaging a person who is at their
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: most vulnerable.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely cool. Well, that's that's also ties in with
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Andy who who The Upgrade kind of removes that vulnerability
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: that we see as an audience to like portray something.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: But it really works well with the plot of the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: movie where it's like, this is what vulnerability? Does you
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? But then like the betrayal of
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: them against him and her being like what what did
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: she say at the what did brain say it to him?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: At the end? I'm sorry, we're not following orders from
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: you anymore or something like that, and he disconnects her
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: from mother, him from mother, which I love that Mother
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: makes a comeback as like a plot DIVI.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Because Mother has arrived the pussy was it right there?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: True, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's but but like as an idea because
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: mother only oh sorry, mother is really only a big
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: thing in the first one.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Right, not really well, like like it followed throughout because
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: the theory themes of mother follow through.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, please the mother. Yeah, And that's something
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: that's not quite as explored in this because there is
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: the motherhood is only explored with with it being like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: kind of a scary, weird thing, which is great. I'm glad.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that the pregnancy happens in that way. Did
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: you want anything else we want to talk about anything?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: No, I think I think we've talked, Like we've covered
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: enough of the kind of thing that I want to
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: talk about, but like or the like the actual details
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: of the movie. But I'm more interested now in Yeah, like,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: how do you think this stacks up in Like, if
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: you had to, like if you had to like do
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: a power ranking of of all of the movies now
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: and include this movie, where would you put it? And like,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's real interesting, more interesting than what would
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you rate the movie?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, but it's a show
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: where we got to rate things too well.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: We'll rate it, we'll rate it, but I just want
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: to see what your power ranking is. First, Oh, within
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: within the Cannon, like all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, like i'd probably put it before. I enjoyed it.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: I enjoy it more than than Resurrection. I think it
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: falls neatly right after three three for me, it's yeah,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: one two three, Uh, it's one two three interkraal uh.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Then then the rest that I have for which is
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: like Alien Resurrection, Prometheus, Covenant. Yeah, that's probably where I
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: would go.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And you wouldn't include the Predator crossovers.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: No, because it doesn't feel like we did cover them.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: We did cover them. They're always on the end, They're
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: always in the ends.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think, I mean, I think the first
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: one is better than we than we're giving. That's true,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: but like it does mess with the Laura a little
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: bit in a way that.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Like these these feel cannon and those don't those movies
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: feel like canon a VP. No, No, they feel cannon
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: to their own universe. Oh yeah, the one, uh Alien
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: to Alien Covenant, those all feel like especially with this one,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: they all feel like, oh okay, this one justifies those
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: It makes them I think canon now for sure.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I would.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I would even like like accept an addition of Alien
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: colon Prometheus.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure, totally.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Because it and even the Romulus like using the like
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: the idea of like mythology and laurifying the mythology was cool. Yeah,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I think it stacks up. I think
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: it's like it's function makes it better than it than
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: it aspires to be.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting because the filmmaker and why I'm
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: I'm impressed and proud. He doesn't need my pride, but
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: I'm very proud that he he took it on in
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: such a way that was like, I hope he doesn't
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: just get taken away by studios because this movie was
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: very successful.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you hope he doesn't become Marvel. Yeah.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, he's so talented. He's directing
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: the New Snack, yeah exactly, whereas like, yeah.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, it might be good. You know,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: he's gonna do this with.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: It exactly, And it's like instead of instead of it
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: being like a sort of let me just give a
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: sort of take a look at at the his own
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: his own career.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: But in terms of rating, I would give this an eight.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I would give this a solid eight. Yeah.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: I mean all of these for all the.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Reasons we've discussed.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: And also he directed a David another David Fincher thing,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: which which is The Girl in the Spiders Web, which
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: is the sequel to not sequel really but but like
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: post sequel to Girl Girls Dragon Tattoo, So Evil Dead,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Don't Breathe Girl with the Dragon tattoo.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Evil Dead is another helm taking.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you watch that one Evil Dead?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I hated it and then loved it and then hated
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: it again, and then I was like, oh no, I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: actually really love this, so like age.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: You recommend I see it, which you recommend we cover
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: them for Thirsty for Gore, which I think we should
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: start recording soon.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Dude, Sure, yeah, I think I think maybe, I think, yes, yeah, we.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Should go with with our plan that our big comeback plan,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: which maybe we should announce that we're going to be sure.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a perfect opportunity because this is gonna
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: be We're.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Going to be releasing this episode. Hi everyone, I know
• 1:19:54
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• 1:20:39
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• 1:20:42
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• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: So you could do me a favorite. Just put this
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: as a because I just want to say one more thing.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but why don't you just add it? It's fine, Okay,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: this is bonus for people who have stayed.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like the Journeyman style of like he made
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Even Dead that was his first movie, and then Don't Breathe,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: which was three years later, and then Girl with the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Girl with the Spiderweb, and then Romulus. It's like this
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: dude is is just a talented guy that you can
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: just shove anywhere and be like, make this a good movie.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: And he did he's going to do are and it
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: Fincher, Fincher does that do He doesn't write his own movies.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: He just directs movies that he likes to. He wants
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: to be the visualist for you know, and that's that's
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: just a cool Yeah.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's a cool thing. Yeah I agree with that. Yeah,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I great director, great movie. What would you give it?
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: I give it an eight?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: I gave it an a too. Initially I was like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: this feels like a six point five because I was like, uh,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: not good with the but like talking about it, I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: was like, man like, and maybe I will continue doing
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: this where it's like what I would assume like a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: quote unquote good movie should be. But what I feel
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: about it is like an eight or an eight point five.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't you know, like I don't want
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: to be too I don't want to pussy foot around something,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: and and like I don't know how it's gonna stay.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be remembered fondly. But
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: I feel good about it now. I was excited about it.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Now it's been a few days since we've seen it too,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: so I feel like the initial kind of like pumped
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: upness has like settled and I get to just focus
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: on the things that I like, really enjoyed about the movie.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: And I really enjoyed in the movie, and I loved
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: it for all the reasons that we said. I think
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: we made a compelling case for it, not that it
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: needs it, you know, I feel like it functions on
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: its own. I've seen a couple of like eye rolly
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: things about it with like people who I think are
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: just being reactionary, because sometimes I feel like people are
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: just like use the fact that they can like immediately
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: put up like a fucking take. Yeah, like that they
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: can like do their like letterbox or whatever. This is
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: why I I'm sorry, Like I know people love their
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: letter box and I appreciate them for what they are,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: but like immediately getting to get go like about a movie,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: you know, like like just like shit out of take
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: when like I feel like it's unfair to this movie
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: and it's unfair to the work that was done, and
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: it's unfair to like the idea, the solid ideas that
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: are being explored in the movie. And I saw a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: couple of takes where I was just like I didn't
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: just fuck off a couple of two stars.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, so many people I trust have
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: like really really enjoyed it, and people that I was
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: like unexpectedly like oh wow, like you give this a
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: high for you, this is very high, you know what
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I'm mostly talking about like fucking reactionary serving people that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: are just like, oh, I have a take. Yeah, And
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: it's more about having a take than it is actually
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: about like saying something like they it's being man like,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: it's about being contrary and energy and it's so stupid
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: and annoying.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really boring.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: It's boring, and it's who is it for?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's to get views, right, Like it's to
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: get eyeballs, I know, dude. It's it's because like we're
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: we're I think we're entering into a time hopefully where
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: where the the like destroyed, woke, has Disney fallen?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: It's like okay, guys like all right, yeah, because like
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: I've noticed what those guys. A lot of those guys,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: it's like when it's a movie they like, they won't
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: make those same criticisms, but if it's a movie they hate,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: they will. So it's like, okay, like you spent five
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: six years already complaining about Disney, complaining about Marvel, but
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: when Deadpool came out, like none of the all those
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: things disappeared. Oh cameos, those are fine. Oh, alternate universes,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: those are fine. Oh annoying twee kind of trying to
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: get the teens jokes cool, But those seem to be
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: big criticisms when it was miss Marvel or the Marvels,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: or or a black lady in a role that was
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: supposed to be a white lady, or you know what
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I mean. So it's like who cares, Yeah, talk about
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what I mean. And like I feel
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: like we're finally I feel like this movie very is
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: very like intentional with the casting in the sense of, like, hey,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: remember Part one they cast all diffferent kinds of people.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: We're also going to cast all different kinds of people
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: and it's not a big deal and the movie's not
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: about that. They're just people in space and this is
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: who they are. This is this group. Yeah, and this
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: is what they are, this is what they're like. That's it,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: not not.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: People can't see you.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm doing an outrageous face. Well look at the casting
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: of this movie and they'll just throw a something in.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: But also like also I get like again I get
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: their point in terms of I don't get I don't
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: like the conflation of the quote unquote woke being with
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: like just bad writing, Like it's okay, bad writing is
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: bad writing, like whatever, but like the the codedness of
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: the quote woke thing is like I just don't like
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: these types of people. So it's like that's all you
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: end up saying as opposed to just these aren't very
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: well defined characters.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: This is where you know that that movies are a
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: battleground for this kind of thing, because like it really
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: like it, just like it kind of it's such a
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: reflection of like the culture and the way that social
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: fucking media works and.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Also the lack of of curiosity, the lack of of
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: media criticism, uh literacy, media literacy, and they think that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: that they especially people again, people like nerd Rotic and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Critical Drinker are now like jumping on the media literacy
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: much bandwagon. It's like, bro, you made like eighty videos
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: about woke, who were you to talk about media literacy?
• 1:27:45
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