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Normally Podcast: A Normalish Take About Ukraine · Normally

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Speaker 1: Yas wait all back on.
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Speaker 2: Normally the show with normalist takes for when the news
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Speaker 2: gets weird.
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Speaker 1: I am your host, Mary Katherine Camp.
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Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Marcowitz. How are you, Mary Katherine, I'm good.
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Speaker 2: I'm up in New York City erman doing some Gutfeld show,
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Speaker 2: so you can catch me there and having a nice thank.
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Speaker 4: I love it.
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Speaker 3: The Big Apple, Huh, I've heard of it.
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Speaker 1: It's cold and there's good food. That's what's going on.
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Speaker 4: That really does sum it up.
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna kick it off today with a subject
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Speaker 3: that I dread talking about, and that's Ukraine. I almost
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Speaker 3: never tweet about it and the topic because I don't
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Speaker 3: care about it. That's the other thing. I actually probably
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Speaker 3: care about it more than the average person. I have
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Speaker 3: family in both Ukraine and in Russia. Actually, my family
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Speaker 3: in Ukraine was older women and they evacuated at the.
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Speaker 4: Start of the war.
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Speaker 3: I dread this conversation because I have a very middle
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Speaker 3: ground on it, as I think you do as well,
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Speaker 3: and that's not acceptable in this conversation.
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Speaker 4: You have to be.
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Speaker 3: All in on one side or another. If you're not
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Speaker 3: a million percent on the side of fun Ukraine until
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Speaker 3: they beat Russia. Then that means you're a Putin lover
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Speaker 3: and you want Russia to take over the world, and
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Speaker 3: you're probably being paid by them. So there's really no
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Speaker 3: great spot here. And I also feel very strongly that
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Speaker 3: I'm not a Putin lover, and I do have a
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Speaker 3: lot of concerns about Russian influence. And I absolutely think
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Speaker 3: that they invaded Ukraine.
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Speaker 4: That's sort of the new thing is well Ukraine started it, like, no,
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Speaker 4: they didn't. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Having said all that, I looked up how much money
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Speaker 3: has gone to this, and there's a bunch of different
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Speaker 3: numbers floating around, but I tried to go to a
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Speaker 3: fairly left wing source, so I went to the BBC.
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Speaker 3: The United States has spent one hundred and nineteen point
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Speaker 3: seven billion on aid between January twenty two in December
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Speaker 3: twenty four. Russia spent eighty four billion in twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: three on their entire military budget, So we are giving
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Speaker 3: Ukraine more than Russia's entire budget. Like most Americans, I
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Speaker 3: wonder how much longer this.
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Speaker 4: Can go on and what's the point.
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Speaker 3: And I say this again as someone who wants Ukraine
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Speaker 3: to win. I want them to punish Russia for invading,
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Speaker 3: and I think that the American strategic goal was to
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Speaker 3: make sure that Russia doesn't try this.
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Speaker 4: With other countries.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: But one thing that I didn't hear a lot of
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Speaker 3: people say over this weekend after this blow up was
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Speaker 3: that this has been a disaster for Russia.
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Speaker 4: Russia has shown they can't be even Ukraine. And the people.
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Speaker 3: That are sort of arguing that, no, no, Russia's doing
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Speaker 3: really well, it's only because Ukraine gets the funding from
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Speaker 3: Europe and from America, and if they didn't get this funding, well,
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Speaker 3: then Russia would be winning. You know. There's a saying,
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Speaker 3: if my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather.
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Speaker 4: So spare me your ifs. They can't beat Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So that's where I am.
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Speaker 1: And that's important for the world.
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Speaker 2: The blow up you refer to unless you've been under
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Speaker 2: a rock, is the conflagration in the Oval Office, where
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Speaker 2: many people were in attendance, but principally the fight was
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Speaker 2: between President Trump, Vice President Vance and Zelensky, the president
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine. Yeah, and there was a long meeting before that,
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Speaker 2: about forty minutes long before it became an argument, and
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of back and forth about who started
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Speaker 2: what I will say just and I'm not making light
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Speaker 2: of this a serious subject here, I do think the
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Speaker 2: Real Housewives nature of this public blow up means that
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Speaker 2: a lot of Americans who might not otherwise care or
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Speaker 2: notice foreign policy arguments are now noticing them. And there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of reconstructions about what Zelensky.
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Speaker 1: Said when and what Vance said. Win and I am
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Speaker 1: with you.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, when you come to this show,
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Speaker 2: sometimes the normalish take is not the hot take.
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Speaker 3: Right, That's what we're trying to do here. We're trying
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Speaker 3: to do the normalish take. And I think that where
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Speaker 3: we are is I think where a lot of people are,
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Speaker 3: and so they can't say it because then you get
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Speaker 3: yelled at, like really yelling.
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Speaker 1: You do get yelled at.
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Speaker 2: I want everybody to respect the facts on the ground,
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Speaker 2: whether it's warfare or politics. Okay, And some of the
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Speaker 2: facts on the ground are that, for instance, fact Russia
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Speaker 2: invaded Ukraine. That's a ground war in Europe. That's dangerous
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Speaker 2: for the world. Incentivizing that for Russia and not being
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Speaker 2: a leader on this front can be dangerous for the
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Speaker 2: US in some very serious ways.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Another fact, though, is that the politics have shifted on this.
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Speaker 2: One of the reasons the politics have shifted on this
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Speaker 2: is because when it comes to warfare, the American.
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Speaker 1: Voters a little worn out.
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Speaker 2: Right Iraq, Afghanistan, having boots on the ground has been exhausting.
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Speaker 2: Many people have paid blood and treasure in their own
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Speaker 2: families and friends circles. They watched US pull out of Iraq,
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Speaker 2: they watched US pull out of Afghanistan with devastating results,
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Speaker 2: and said.
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Speaker 1: Like, what are we doing.
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Speaker 2: You're making the argument that we're important to put these
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Speaker 2: forces forward in the world, and then this is the result.
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Speaker 2: Now in Ukraine, we have money at stake, we do
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Speaker 2: not have boots on the ground. That's a very important distinction.
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Speaker 2: But people have elected Trump saying, I think in large
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Speaker 2: part because he talked about this on the trail, saying
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Speaker 2: to him, yes, we think Russia is the bad guy. Ukraine,
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Speaker 2: for the most part, we think is the good guy.
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Speaker 2: You got to give us specifics on what the ask
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Speaker 2: is here, right, That's the part that people need, and
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Speaker 2: that's the part where it blew up between Zelenski, Trump
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Speaker 2: and Vance was getting to the nitty gritty of are
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Speaker 2: we going to do the minerals deal? And if we
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Speaker 2: do the minerals deal, which is sort of to me
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Speaker 2: looks like a down payment on having a discussion about
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Speaker 2: the security assurances, then what do those look like? And
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Speaker 2: the specifics of that is where it went off the
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Speaker 2: rails exactly.
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Speaker 3: And so the other thing is that, you know, one
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Speaker 3: of the things that Trump said during the campaign, he
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Speaker 3: actually said some very pro Ukraine things, including that if
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Speaker 3: Putin doesn't want to deal, then he's gonna send more
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Speaker 3: money to Ukraine. I mean, he said that. And so
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Speaker 3: I feel like this idea that oh Trump just loves
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Speaker 3: Putin and hates Ukraine, it comes from just hating Trump,
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Speaker 3: which I get. You know, people who support Ukraine maybe
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Speaker 3: have some crossover with hating Trump. But and you know,
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Speaker 3: you and I talk about this on the show a lot,
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Speaker 3: But there is a way to deal with Trump.
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Speaker 4: And I mean.
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Speaker 3: To say Zelenski has failed at that is kind of
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Speaker 3: an understatement of the century. But he's also just failed
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Speaker 3: at dealing with anyone. I don't know which president sits
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Speaker 3: there as he argues in front of cameras and you know,
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Speaker 3: kind of beerates them. There was a news story that
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Speaker 3: circulated it again over the weekend that d Lensky and
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Speaker 3: Biden had had this blow up in private that we
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Speaker 3: didn't get to see in front of the cameras, And
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Speaker 3: obviously these kinds of things do happen off off camera,
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Speaker 3: and this is one that happened on So like most Americans,
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Speaker 3: I think you and I are wondering how much longer
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Speaker 3: and what's the point? And the fact that Ukraine has
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Speaker 3: gotten to a stalemate is very impressive and.
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Speaker 2: Well, and Zelenski makes the point that Ukrainian lives have
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Speaker 2: been lost doing this favor for this stand, which is
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Speaker 2: to mess with Russia and sort of reveal its weaknesses,
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Speaker 2: and that's.
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Speaker 3: A real thing, sure, But again, they're getting more than
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Speaker 3: Russia's entire military budget and they haven't been able to
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Speaker 3: push Russia out.
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Speaker 4: So what happens next?
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Speaker 3: And I'm extremely sympathetic to the idea that what did
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Speaker 3: this war like? What did we fight this war for?
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Speaker 3: From the Ukrainian perspective? Only to have to give up
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Speaker 3: lands that we could have given up on day one.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that there's going to be a great
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Speaker 3: answer there, and it's deeply unfortunate and I don't like
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Speaker 3: to see Russia win. And all of this can be true,
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Speaker 3: while also saying that there has to be some sort
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Speaker 3: of endgame.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also it's interesting to me that this minerals deal,
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Speaker 2: which is okay, So the idea from the Trump people
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Speaker 2: is we sign the minerals deal. This gives America an
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Speaker 2: economic stake in the future of Ukraine, and that would
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Speaker 2: a give you some assurances to begin with, and then
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Speaker 2: get us to the table to hopefully start talking about assurances.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're not being super.
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Speaker 2: Like forthright about our feelings about Putin, so that maybe
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Speaker 2: he would come to the table also right and then
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Speaker 2: with good reasons. Zelensky says, I'm afraid if I signed
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Speaker 2: this minerals deal, I don't get any assurances, and that
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Speaker 2: you guys will go to the table with Putin and
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Speaker 2: I'm cut out of it and I end up with a.
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Speaker 1: Very bad deal.
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Speaker 4: But again, the.
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Speaker 2: Political ground shift, and it is Zelensky's job to understand
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Speaker 2: what the pitch should be in that room, and I
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Speaker 2: think not being there with the translator, oh yeah, such
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Speaker 2: a bad call and just.
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Speaker 1: Doing it there. There's plenty of other places you could
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Speaker 1: have done it.
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Speaker 2: And then my last weird thing again, there's this is
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Speaker 2: like the Baldoni like Lively but foreign policy right. Scott
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Speaker 2: Bessant was in Ukraine to sign the minerals deal. He
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Speaker 2: went all the way to Ukraine to do that. They
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Speaker 2: didn't sign it there. Reportedly, Zelenski said, let's sign it
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Speaker 2: in Munich. Rubio and Vance are there. These are big
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Speaker 2: name people, right. They didn't sign it there. And then
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Speaker 2: he said, come, can I meet you in Washington. Everybody
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Speaker 2: said sure, let's all get together sign it there and
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Speaker 2: it doesn't get signed.
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Speaker 1: Again. What's going on?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 3: Right? There's obviously more at play here, and there's all
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Speaker 3: these again, people are so entrenched in their opinions and
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Speaker 3: in their sides on this. I actually can't believe that
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Speaker 3: this is probably the most contentious issue in America. Maybe
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Speaker 3: it's just on X, but it really is extremely extremely
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Speaker 3: contentious and a lot of nonsense being.
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Speaker 4: Spilled all over the place.
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Speaker 3: But I would also just say so Europe is deeply
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Speaker 3: disappointed in America and they're very furrowed browt about the
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Speaker 3: whole thing. They went so far as inviting the Canadian
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Speaker 3: leader to come to join them for a little pow
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Speaker 3: wow to figure out what they should do next. But
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Speaker 3: let me, let me tell you some numbers from Europe.
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Speaker 3: Denmark says sixty six percent of Danes say that Ukraine
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Speaker 3: is not getting.
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Speaker 4: Enough Western support.
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Speaker 3: So you think how much how many Danes would say
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Speaker 3: that Denmark should increase their level of support. Only seventeen
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Speaker 3: percent say that they should increase their level support. These
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Speaker 3: numbers are exactly the same in Sweden, Spain, Britain. Britain
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Speaker 3: has fifty eight percent says the Ukraine is not getting
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Speaker 3: enough Western support, but then only twenty one percent sent
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Speaker 3: one to increase British support to Ukraine. So they're facing
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Speaker 3: the same problems that we're facing in America, which is
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Speaker 3: the populace is wondering what is this money going towards?
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Speaker 4: What is the goal here? Is that goal feasible?
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Speaker 2: And Europe hasn't had to do that in a long
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Speaker 2: time because we do the heavy lifting. That doesn't do anything, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but we do.
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Speaker 1: The US does the heavy lifting.
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Speaker 2: And one of Trump's bugaboos from the minute he took
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Speaker 2: office was y'all need to start pitching in more. I
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Speaker 2: do worry a little bit about relinquishing US leadership and
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Speaker 2: that when that happens and bad big power see it,
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Speaker 2: that goes badly for the world in general, even though
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Speaker 2: it is very hard for us to remain leaders and
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Speaker 2: to fork over the money necessary to.
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Speaker 3: Do that, right, I worry about that too, But then
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Speaker 3: I look at the other countries and I'm like, who
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Speaker 3: are they going to turn to in a time of crisis.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be right back to us.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: It was a thing that circulated recently that was like
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Speaker 3: home Depot is worth more than like the top fifty European.
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Speaker 4: Startups of the last few years or something.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it just they're talking like really successful startups.
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Speaker 4: But it's like it just.
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Speaker 1: We have a different level of prosperity.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's it.
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Speaker 3: We had, and we have the monies.
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Speaker 2: And the number of hours we work per week and
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Speaker 2: the number of innovations we create. Like is it is
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Speaker 2: a different culture? Yeah that produces that.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know if you want
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Speaker 3: to turn Yeah, this is no solution. But if you
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Speaker 3: have felt that perhaps you were not represented in either
12:38
Speaker 3: side of the insanity over the last few days, I
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Speaker 3: hope you have found something here that you could agree with,
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Speaker 3: or we could just part ways knowing that we haven't
12:48
Speaker 3: solved the problem.
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Speaker 1: Where shall we go to something a little well.
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Speaker 4: A little lighter.
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Speaker 3: Let's go, Mary Catherine.
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Oscars happened, Carol. You know, I'm torn on
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Speaker 2: whether to watch the Oscars or engage at all.
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Speaker 1: I don't watch them live, like that's what the internet's for.
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Speaker 1: But Conan O'Brien was the host.
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Speaker 2: I had watched a handful of the movies this year,
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Speaker 2: maybe not even a handful.
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Speaker 1: That's probably too generous, and I did. I do think
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Speaker 1: the hiring of Conan.
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Speaker 2: Was a little bit of a vibe shift move, yeh,
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Speaker 2: because Conan is an absurdist, hilarious, non political right comedian. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I think you made like one Russia joke during
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Speaker 2: the night. It was very low key and very funny,
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Speaker 2: a lot of silly skits, and I'm there for that.
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Speaker 2: I feel like Trump gave permission for comedians to just
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Speaker 2: do the thing which is entertaining.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, permission to be funny again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't watch any of it, and I don't
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Speaker 3: and I haven't seen any of the movies, but I
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Speaker 3: some clips and I thought that it was a more
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Speaker 3: normal Oscars than previous clips have shown. They did, however,
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Speaker 3: start with the Land acknowledgment by Julian Howe, right that Huff.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, also just like I don't mind Julian Huff, but
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Speaker 2: it is funny to do a Land acknowledgement from the
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Speaker 2: whitest person you could find.
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Speaker 3: Well, I would say that the only thing I know
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Speaker 3: about her, I literally could not name anything that she's in.
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Speaker 3: The only thing I know about her is that she
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Speaker 3: did blackface a few years ago. She Yeah, during Halloween.
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Speaker 3: Everybody was like, you're not allowed to do that.
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Speaker 1: No, you're not allowed to do that. I did not
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Speaker 1: know that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's my total knowledge of her, and it's
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Speaker 3: so it was extra funny that she was doing the
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Speaker 3: Land acknowledgment, which was all run.
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Speaker 2: Through the Big Awards, so everybody knows. Best picture is Anora.
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Speaker 2: That's a story. Apparently it's about a sex worker. I
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Speaker 2: don't know the details. Best actress Mikey Madison for Anora,
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Speaker 2: and she's a real newcomer. Best actor Adrian Brodie for
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Speaker 2: The Brutal, which is a Holocaust survivor story a man
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Speaker 2: who comes to America and becomes an architect here.
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Speaker 1: Best supporting actor.
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Speaker 2: Kieran Culkin A Real Pain, which is another Holocaust focused
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Speaker 2: drama about two cousins who go to the Old Country
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Speaker 2: to see the sites. Best supporting actress Zoe's Aldana. That
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Speaker 2: is Amelia Perez, which is the That's the movie that
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Speaker 2: sounds like it can't be Real, which is about an
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Speaker 2: illegal immigrant inmate who wants to transition and the valiant
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Speaker 2: lawyer who helped her.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was like a cartel head.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe so yeah. And it's a musical.
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Speaker 3: It's a musical, right. I've seen Zoe's Aldana, like a
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Speaker 3: little clip of her singing I want to know about
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Speaker 3: sexchanges want.
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Speaker 2: It is truly, truly ridiculous. Best director was the guy
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Speaker 2: who who directed Nora. His name is Sean Baker. So
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Speaker 2: those are the major ones. There was a really adorable
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Speaker 2: moment I like, that's fine when yeah, Kieran Culkin, who
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Speaker 2: won Best Supporting Actor for a Real Pain, took the
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Speaker 2: stage and made a.
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Speaker 1: Deal with his wife.
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Speaker 5: I love it.
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Speaker 4: Let's watch it.
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Speaker 5: I have to thank my wife Jess for absolutely everything,
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Speaker 5: forgiving my favorite people in the world. This is Please
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Speaker 5: don't play the music, because I want to tell a
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Speaker 5: really quick story about jazz. About a year ago, I
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Speaker 5: was in the stage like this, and I very stupidly
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Speaker 5: publicly said that I want a third kid from her
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Speaker 5: because she said if I won the award, I would
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Speaker 5: she would give me the kid. It turns out she
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Speaker 5: said that because she didn't think I was gonna win.
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Speaker 5: But and people came up to her and were like,
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Speaker 5: you know, really annoying her.
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Speaker 1: I think I think it got to her.
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Speaker 5: But anyway, after the show, we're walking through a parking lot.
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Speaker 5: She's holding the Emmy. We're trying to find her car. Emily,
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Speaker 5: you were there, so you're a witness, and she goes,
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Speaker 5: oh god, I did say that. I guess I owe
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Speaker 5: you a third kid. And I turned to her and
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Speaker 5: I said, really, I want four, and she turned me.
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Speaker 5: I swear to god, this happenage just over a year ago.
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Speaker 5: She said, I will give you four when you win
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Speaker 5: an Oscar. I held my hand out, she shook it,
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Speaker 5: and I have not brought it up once until just now.
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Speaker 1: You remember that, honey, you do? Okay?
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Speaker 5: Then I just have this to say to you, Jazz,
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Speaker 5: love of my life. Yave little faith, no pressure. I
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Speaker 5: love you.
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Speaker 1: I'm really sorry I.
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Speaker 5: Did this again. And let's get cracking on those kids.
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Speaker 3: What do you say you've little faith.
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Speaker 1: I know. It's so sweet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so sweet, so spontaneous, so cute, and
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Speaker 2: the idea of just like a dude who would like
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Speaker 2: more kids with his wife and Hollywood is sort of
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Speaker 2: unique interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I've been starved for this.
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Speaker 3: Right right. I think a lot of people were like
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Speaker 3: surprised by that whole interaction. And usually the guy, you know,
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Speaker 3: forgets to name his wife all together.
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Speaker 4: And that's the end of that. But yeah, that was
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Speaker 4: really nice.
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Speaker 2: Like I want them to join the four kid club,
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Speaker 2: as I say, it is the it's the official number
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Speaker 2: at which people are like, but what's going on with you?
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Speaker 2: And he could just be like, I want an Oscar,
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Speaker 2: That's what's going on with us.
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Speaker 1: I'm rich. There's one more little clip that I'll play,
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Speaker 1: which I just thought was sweet that they did this.
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Speaker 2: They brought LA firefighters to the Oscars and they let
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Speaker 2: them deliver a pretty good joke banger.
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Speaker 6: Well, our hearts go out to all of those who
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Speaker 6: have lost their homes. And I'm talking about the producers
18:33
Speaker 6: of Joker too.
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Speaker 1: Damn best delivery of the night, all.
18:43
Speaker 2: Right, It's perfect because you can't be mad at the
18:45
Speaker 2: firefighters right.
18:47
Speaker 3: It was joker too. Also a musical. Yes, I think
18:51
Speaker 3: they should stop doing this. I mean musicals can be
18:54
Speaker 3: fun and Wicked was great, but like a regular movie
18:58
Speaker 3: that you turn into a musical, like, don't do that.
19:00
Speaker 1: I stop. Think you're correct, they should stop. Take a pause.
19:05
Speaker 2: There was one overtly well Emilia Perez. Of course, their
19:09
Speaker 2: their stuff was a vertly political. There was one film
19:12
Speaker 2: that won for Best Documentary called No Other Land that
19:15
Speaker 2: was very pro Palestinian and it had a liberal Israeli
19:19
Speaker 2: and a Palestinian director producer Combo, who both spoke, and
19:24
Speaker 2: several slav Of Ukrainians from the from the stage. I
19:27
Speaker 2: guess one country that gets invaded, you're it's okay to
19:30
Speaker 2: stand up for them another invader, yes.
19:32
Speaker 3: Less us right on x an account I follow, a
19:36
Speaker 3: Jewish commedian named Eli Liebowitz said, I can't help but
19:40
Speaker 3: wonder when we'll be seeing a documentary by Israeli and
19:42
Speaker 3: Palestinian filmmakers to partner together on a documentary depicting Kamas's corruption,
19:47
Speaker 3: manipulation and their brutality of Israelis as well as that
19:51
Speaker 3: of Palestinians in Gaza. We won't hold our breath for
19:54
Speaker 3: that one.
19:55
Speaker 2: Adrian Birdie did make a reference to fighting anti Semitism.
19:59
Speaker 2: Appreciate since he's in it. Ye, that about did it
20:03
Speaker 2: for the Oscars.
20:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:05
Speaker 3: Last, my last comment is you posted about my cousin Vinny,
20:08
Speaker 3: a movie I have seen and loved, and I always
20:11
Speaker 3: thought Marissa Toelly deserved that oscar. She was fantastic. And
20:15
Speaker 3: that was like a time when we all watched the
20:18
Speaker 3: movies and maybe we can get.
20:20
Speaker 6: Back to that.
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Speaker 2: No, it is I said, this is the era of
20:24
Speaker 2: someone won an Oscar for a movie I vaguely watched
20:26
Speaker 2: on a plane.
20:27
Speaker 3: Right, I don't even I mean, I don't even get there.
20:29
Speaker 3: I have someone won an oscar for a movie. I
20:32
Speaker 3: read an article about, yeah, or heard some controversy or
20:36
Speaker 3: heard like Ben Shapiro, like give a little synopsis.
20:39
Speaker 1: Of what it's about of those movies. And I was wrong.
20:42
Speaker 1: I watched a real paint and it was decent.
20:45
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so that's it. Sorry, guys, We're going to
20:48
Speaker 3: take a short break and come right back with normally.
20:56
Speaker 1: Stuff we're still mad about.
20:58
Speaker 2: Bro.
20:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a doozy this week. Francis Collins is
21:01
Speaker 1: leaving the NIH.
21:04
Speaker 2: He was the head of the of the NIH during
21:07
Speaker 2: the time of COVID, which, by the way, we're coming
21:09
Speaker 2: up on the the old five year anniversary. He and
21:13
Speaker 2: emails has been found through FOYA to have hidden the
21:18
Speaker 2: idea of a lab leak and that theory and to
21:21
Speaker 2: have actively covered it up. He never had randomized control
21:26
Speaker 2: trials for mask wearing. He insisted on TV many times
21:32
Speaker 2: that kids were very at risk wearing masks indoors was
21:36
Speaker 2: really helpful, didn't specify the mask all sorts of things.
21:41
Speaker 2: So he's often to the sunset, and many on the
21:44
Speaker 2: public health worshiping side of the left are like, look
21:47
Speaker 2: at what we've lost. And I say, we lost a
21:50
Speaker 2: lot of public trusts because of him.
21:51
Speaker 3: Right, And when they talk about vaccine numbers being down,
21:55
Speaker 3: you know in other vaccines, not the COVID vaccine, they
21:58
Speaker 3: could trace it back to being live to during the
22:01
Speaker 3: COVID years. And it's going to be very, very very
22:04
Speaker 3: hard to recover from that. I know you and I
22:06
Speaker 3: predicted it a lot at the time. We're seeing the
22:09
Speaker 3: results of it now.
22:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, here we are.
22:12
Speaker 3: Here, we are living in a world that his lies
22:15
Speaker 3: led us to. And I'm really looking forward to the
22:18
Speaker 3: new crop of people. Obviously, Ja Poticharia is fantastic and
22:23
Speaker 3: we can't wait to see him, you know, do what.
22:26
Speaker 1: He does best.
22:27
Speaker 2: One of the very people who Collins tried to silence.
22:31
Speaker 2: So that's nice to see him rise. And in new
22:35
Speaker 2: news today, nonetheless, I am very, very mad about it.
22:38
Speaker 2: The New York Times has a guest essay by Ian
22:42
Speaker 2: Lipkin and Ralph Barrick. Recent virus research should raise alarm.
22:47
Speaker 2: In a series of experiments, the scientists show that a
22:52
Speaker 2: virus that has a weird name can efficiently infect cells
22:56
Speaker 2: of humans and a wide range of other animal cells.
22:58
Speaker 2: The findings raised the possibility that humans and other animals
23:00
Speaker 2: could be infected by this virus. This coronavirus belongs to
23:04
Speaker 2: a subgroup of viruses that are classified alongside the one
23:07
Speaker 2: that causes mers and that can have fatality rates far
23:11
Speaker 2: higher than that of the virus that caused the COVID pandemic.
23:14
Speaker 2: And wouldn't you know that a lot of people working
23:16
Speaker 2: on this are associated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
23:22
Speaker 2: And further, they are doing these experiments at a lab
23:27
Speaker 2: that is not the proper level of security protocols to
23:30
Speaker 2: protect against this kind of thing.
23:33
Speaker 3: No lessons have been learned, and they're like, let's just
23:36
Speaker 3: try this one more time.
23:38
Speaker 4: What are we doing?
23:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we should let somebody know that
23:44
Speaker 3: this is a bad idea and it could lead to
23:46
Speaker 3: a worldwide outbreak. I don't know.
23:48
Speaker 2: The scientists explain that the levels of security for research
23:52
Speaker 2: laboratories go from BSL one the lowest.
23:55
Speaker 1: To BSL four.
23:56
Speaker 2: They explain that four are the ones that you see
23:58
Speaker 2: in movies where scientists around and space suits and stuff
24:02
Speaker 2: with hoses that covered these experiments were done. And I
24:06
Speaker 2: believe BSL two a designation that is not standardized and
24:12
Speaker 2: not formally recognized with centators for disease control and prevention,
24:15
Speaker 2: and that we think is insufficient for work with potentially
24:19
Speaker 2: dangerous respiratory viruses.
24:21
Speaker 3: Level two Like you see the uber like you know,
24:24
Speaker 3: eats delivery driver walking around in the background being like
24:27
Speaker 3: this salad is this?
24:29
Speaker 6: Like what?
24:32
Speaker 2: I can't I don't even know what the name of
24:34
Speaker 2: this one is. I can't even read it out. It's
24:35
Speaker 2: too many, too many figures. But I fear that in
24:39
Speaker 2: the near future I will have to know the name
24:41
Speaker 2: of hk U five CoV two because they.
24:44
Speaker 1: Will have let it out of the laboratory.
24:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll just call it COVID twenty six.
24:49
Speaker 2: You know, can we not? We can?
24:52
Speaker 1: We cannot not. I mean this is horrifying.
24:56
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad it's in the New York Times.
24:57
Speaker 2: They're just like saying the thing, like, there's a lab
25:00
Speaker 2: doing this stuff. We should be worried about it. So
25:02
Speaker 2: we're ahead of the game on that front. Right.
25:04
Speaker 3: Well, I don't root for COVID twenty six, but I
25:07
Speaker 3: will say that I will be pressuring you hardcore to
25:10
Speaker 3: move to Florida should.
25:11
Speaker 1: This go down again.
25:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, this time you cannot wait it out over.
25:15
Speaker 1: There, number two, we can't do it. Do it again.
25:18
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