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Ohio State WR Jeremiah Smith Sets New Program Record · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Welcome to a very special live episode of Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Friday, March
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twenty second. I'm your host Tom Or the Akron game in one hundred and
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sixty three days, the game against Michigan in two hundred and fifty three days.
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We get some news on Thursday afternoon, a true freshman at Ohio State
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made some program history. And honestly, the most surprising part of this might
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be how not particularly surprising it is that this has happened, and this has
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happened when it has happened. I'm John M. Kevin Noon of Buckehetdle dot
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com. Kevin, how not surprised were you to learn that Jeremiah Smith,
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five star wide receiver, true freshman wide receiver at Ohio State now was not
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only the first Buckeye to lose his black stripe this year, but also the
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fastest Buckeye in program history to lose his black stripe. I'm more surprised that
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they even bothered to give him one. If we're being semi honest, I
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mean, I know you're going to get one. Caleb Downs has a black
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stripe, for God's sake, so it's not something that you can escape it's
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not something you can negotiate. I'm going to come in, but you can't
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give me a black stripe because I'm not dealing with that. No, they
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all get him and he's lost it, and I'm not surprised whatsoever. I
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mean, he is just different. We you know, I have seen it
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through a couple of years watching him in high school at Shamadamadonna. You know,
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he gets to Ohio State, he's still the same guy. And all
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of his teammates absolutely rave about him. And I'm sure we're going to talk
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about that as the show goes on. But no surprise, no surprise whatsoever,
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no surprise that he is the record setter in terms of how quickly he's
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been able to shed his black stripe. But then again, I will say
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this, there is not a case of there's not a laundry list that the
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coaches have. It's like you have to be able to catch fifty passes and
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do twenty pull ups and be able to recite the Greek alphabet before this match
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goes out or anything like that. There's no criteria. It is all kind
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of a subjective thing. But here we are. This is around the time
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I would have expected it unless they wanted to keep a stripe on him for
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motivation. And I don't think this kid needs any extra motivation. He's one
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of the most driven individuals I've ever seen. Yeah, motivation definitely not a
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real issue with Jeremiah Smith. And we'll get into what Brian Hartline had to
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say about him earlier on Thursday. Get a chance to doctor Brian Hartline,
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get a chance duck to several other wide receivers, and so we've got plenty
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to talk about on that front. Just to give you some context here,
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this is after four practices. Tony Gerderman reported on blucke huddle dot com.
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This is the fastest any true freshman has ever lost his black stripe, after
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just four practices. Carnineal Tate, the previous record holder, lost his black
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black stripe after five practices last year. And in terms of the date,
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Stephen Means of Cleveland dot Com went back and did the did the digging,
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found that Justin Fields was the earliest person who loses blackstrip That was on March
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twenty fifth, twenty nineteen. Carnel Tait matched that last year March twenty twenty
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three. Jeremiah Smith earlier than either of them March twenty first, earlier than
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either of them in terms of practice number practice number four. You know,
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this is someone who has for years and years and years been getting gassed up
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by every single person in the industry who sees him. I saw Bud Elliott
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I think, who was one of the national two four to seven guys,
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quote tweeted the Ohio State tweet about the black stripe and just said, yeah,
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that tracks. This guy's been an NFL wide receiver playing high school football
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for multiple years, so, you know, not a big surprise. So
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this is you know, the national guys are saying the same thing as well.
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And Brian Here's what Brian Hartline had to say he was asked about Jeremiah
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Smith. I'm just gonna read this whole quote quote. I love the way
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he lives. I love the way he approaches things. I love the questions
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he asked. I love the way he makes mistakes and then corrects mistakes.
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It's very veteran like, and there's so much bal he has to learn.
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He literally does things that are good and I'm like, you know why that
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worked? And he says, coach, I have no freaking idea, So
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I'm trying to teach him all of that why it worked, and then the
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consistency with which it works. Then it just goes through the roof. I'm
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very excited and proud of the conversations that we're currently having, and I'm excited
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for them to keep going. So, Kevin, that's just the mental side
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of the game. That's the off field approach side of the game. That's
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the kind of stuff. I hear all of that, and then I go
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I feel like we heard a lot of this same stuff about a guy named
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Marvin about three years ago. But the thing is is that we heard a
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lot of things about Marvin, but then we didn't see him until we saw
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him. And let's not forget too that Marvin said a lot of these things
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about Carneal Tait and a lot of people want to love Carnel Tait and Brandon
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Innis together, but Carnell Tate enrolls early because I am g allowed that Brandon
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Innis did not enroll early. So Brandon Nis is kind of a year behind
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him in terms of the whole system and everything else. But yeah, we
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heard a lot of positive things about Marv, but we hear a lot of
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positive things through the years, we don't necessarily see all of it. We
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can put in the high school tape. And let's remember, in high school
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there is so much variation from school to school and everything else and who you're
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competing against, and you have to take so many other parts of the equation
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and put it into the blender to kind of figure out what the hell is
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going on with Jeremiah playing in South Florida, playing for South Florida Express seven
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on seventeen, playing against the best competition out there. I know everybody who's
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involved with that program. They're all great people. I give them a ton
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of grief because I can, because we're very you know, we're very close.
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But Jeremiah has been able to do all of these things. So I
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kind of take some of this stuff even above what it was we heard with
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the hype around Marvin, because honestly, when you look at Marv's class,
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yeah, there was a lot of great conversation, but was there the one
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guy everybody was talking about and being like, oh my god, this guy
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is just far and away blowing everybody away and everything else. And it's funny
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because here in Jeremiah's class, there's another receiver named Milon Graham, who we
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will get to see soon, and he's pretty damn special on his own,
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But this is a time where I say, believe the talk, believe the
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hype. He is going to be a Day one starter in my opinion.
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I mean, and that's saying a lot. When you are returning Mecca Buca
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and you have Carnell Tait and Brandon Ennis and some of these other guys on
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the roster, you better get the most out of out of Jeremiah Smith over
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the course of three years because there is a zero percent chance you will have
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him for a year four. Yeah, that feels like, barring something really
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really surprising happened happening, you feel like you kind of just sort of pencil
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him in as a first round draft choice in what would that be twenty seven?
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I guess twenty twenty seven. So yeah, it feels like that's sort
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of where this is trending. And you know, I think Tony Gerdaman and
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I have really tried to not get too far ahead on anything, because this
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is again someone who has not caught any passes that counted for anything at Ohio
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State so far, and who has not, you know, not played in
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front of any kind of a crowd yet at Ohio State or any of that
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kind of stuff, And I think we're just based on history. The track
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record tends to be the true freshman wide receivers, even the ones who go
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on to do great things and be first round draft picks. Marvin Harrison barely
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played the first half of the season, had a catcher two like at Indiana
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or you know, which is kind of like late October. You really didn't
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see Marvin Harrison until the Rose Bowl when some of the other guys had opted
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out Chris Lave and Garrett Wilson had opted out, and then it was like,
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Okay, now Marvin Wilson, Marvin Harrison's here and he has three touchdowns.
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Okay, turns out he's probably gonna be good. Chris Alave, you
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really didn't see him until late October early November, had a couple of touchdowns
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against Michigan in the first half. It was like, Okay, this guy's
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probably gonna be pretty good. Greg Garrett Wilson same thing. You saw him
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kind of show up in mid season. Late season twenty nineteen had that like
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really notable catcher. He went way up against Clemson in the first drive of
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the Fiesta Bowl that year, it was like, Okay, this guy's gonna
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be pretty good. Typically, I don't think you're going to see someone until
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I sort of assume you're not going to see like first quarter lots of lots
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of snaps, maybe even a start for a true freshman wide receiver in the
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first half of the season. That has sort of been my position just year
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after year after year. Listen, don't get out over your skis on eight
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to stuff, but Kevin, I don't want to get out over my skis
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too far. But it feels like if you are going to see someone playing
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meaningful snaps in game one, game two, starting or not, if he's
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out there in the first quarter of these games, that tells me an awful
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lot. And it feels like pretty much everything we're seeing, everything we're hearing
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right now is sort of trending in that direction. Yeah, And trust me,
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I get a little bit of an uneasy feeling in my stomach saying,
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you know, passing on all these platitudes, saying all these positive things because
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can he block and he do all this other stuff. That's all going to
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be part of the equation too. But it's a lot easier for JK.
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Dobbins as a true freshman to trot out there and play because for a running
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back, so much of it is you see the daylight, run toward the
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daylight. Go h. For a receiver, there's a lot more to it.
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There's a lot more in terms of, you know, being able to
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run all the routes and everything else, handle your blocking responsibilities, et cetera,
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et cetera, et cetera. This isn't going to be a case of
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like where Ohio State and I'm going a little bit back in the way back
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machine, darn Carter. Okay, you have one route, you're running a
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nine, you were running straight ahead, and we're going to try and get
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it to you. And unfortunately for Deron, Ohio State didn't have a lot
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of quarterbacks that were necessarily were as accurate as a C. J. Stroud
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or somebody like that. But when it comes to Jeremiah, my expectation is
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absolutely and it only helps that Ohio State is not opening the season at Notre
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Dame. It's not having that type of game right out of the gate.
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Now, yes, I have long maintained Jeremiah Smith is a day one starter.
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If he doesn't if he's not out there in the first series, well,
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then technically I guess I'm wrong. He wasn't a Day one starter,
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but he is going to see meaningful playing time, and I honestly do believe
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that he is going to be a starter in that game. But there is
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a long ways to go here from March twenty first, when we are doing
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the show to the Akron game. One hundred and however many days, as
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you said at the top of the show here on on Buckeyees tomorrow morning.
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But yeah, I don't have any reason to doubt it. One hundred and
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sixty three days till the Akron game for those and I see we have a
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couple of people joining us late. Jeremiah Smith, the fastest Buckeye to lose
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his black stripe in program history, lost it after four practices March twenty first.
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That is earlier than the previous record holder, which was Carnel Tate last
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year after five practices and March twenty fifth for a true freshman. And Justin
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Fields lost his on March twenty fifth as well. And you know, in
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addition to Brian Hartline, who I've read read to the whole quote earlier in
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the show. Brandon Innis. We talked to Brandon Innis earlier in the day
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on Thursday. Brandon Inis basically said, yeah, you gotta get him out
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there, like you gotta play him likey. This is not you know,
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this is this is not like well, you know, maybe he'll have some
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kind of role at some point, Liken, you got to get him out
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there. This is just everything is pointing in this dire and I think Jeremiah
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Smith is, you know, the new and shiny guy, and you know,
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there's obviously a lot to be excited about. But Carnal Tate's out there
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too. Carnal Tait is someone who I think has gotten a little bit lost,
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which is crazy because he was the guy who last year, Marvin Harrison
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came out and just flat out said, yeah, he's ahead of where I
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was at this point in my career. He had previously set the record for
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the fastest guy, had lost his black stripe after his fifth practice. And
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he is someone who I think is probably Kevin even more likely to be a
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starter this year, or as likely to be a starter this year. You
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know, there are three of the top four spots open after Marvin Harrison and
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Julian Fleming and n Xavier Johnson all left after last season. So three of
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those top four spots are open, two of the starting spots are open.
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You're kind of writing a Mecca Abuka in Buka's name in there in inc as
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well. But man, I know they you know this is not gonna be
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the first time Ohio State has a really talented wide receiver room. But to
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get a Mecca Booga back, to have a second year like Carnal Tay,
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to have a guy like Jeremiah Smith already making the kind of impressions that he
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has, Yeah, I don't know if this is it's probably too early to
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have the Is this potentially the best wide receiver unit Ohio State has had?
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But I mean it's you know, we might be having that conversation at some
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point this year. Well the thing too, is that Ohio State doesn't run
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ten, doesn't run one back, no tight. So you talk about a
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top four, but you're not going to have four out there. But I
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will say this with Ohio State bringing in Chip Kelly, bringing in a dedicated
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offensive coordinator who could maybe make sure that they are running more than three deep
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at wide receiver, because how do you not play the top four, And
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we haven't even talked about Jade Ballard or we haven't talked about Kojo Antwe or
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Keon Gray's or Bryson Rodgers or Milon Graham. I mean, you know,
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the list goes on and on and on, and we all have seen the
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picture where you have a Lave and Wilson and Abuca and Harrison. It's like,
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oh my god, how did Ohio State not win like eleventy million natties
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at that point? Well, defense, but over and above that, I
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mean, it is just such a deep room. It is. It is
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kind of ridiculous at that point, and it's going to be important for Ohio
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State, I think, to play more. We see Noah Rodgers transfer out
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after a year. I don't think necessary. I think that was more of
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homesickness than lack of play. But then again, if Noah Rodgers catches forty
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passes last year, is that different? I don't know. I mean,
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do you buy in more if you're included more? I think there's something to
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that in terms of human nature. But let's not talk about the ones who
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got away. Let's talk about the ones that they have. And they have
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just such a tremendous room. And we had the opportunity yesterday to watch Will
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Howard, We had the opportunity yesterday to watch Devin brand down throw for real.
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We have seen them play routes on air. We've seen them do just
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some drill work, and the two practices that we've been allowed to see,
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we will see another practice at the end of the month with a student appreciation
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practice. By then they're in pads. We're going to get them hopefully see
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a little bit more. But in terms of our Ohio State's receiver room is
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and where this passing game should be, I mean, it's it's it's silly.
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I mean it's it's silly, and I would like to be able to
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be more you know, wilder about the terms I'm using there, But I
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mean silly is the one that makes sense. I mean it almost seems unfair.
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As long as Ohio State's able to get the other aspects of its offense
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up, I mean this is going to be kind of crazy. Yeah,
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a couple quick house housekeeping notes before we move on to kind of the next
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thing I wanted to talk to you about, which was the quarterbacks. If
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you were watching this live, hit that thumbs up button. We'll help other
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folks find this show now and later as a recorded broadcast. A couple folks
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in the comments asking about the Black Stripe Draft that Tony Gerdaman and I did
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on our one thousandth episode of Buckeye Weekly. I always win the Black Stripe
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Draft. Every single year, I win the Black Stripe Draft. So yes,
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of course I had Jeremiah Smith. I got the first pick this year.
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Tony gave me the first pick, and I said, well, this
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is the easiest one I think I've ever had. And it turns out yep,
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so Jeremiah Smith. Not a big surprise, Tony. People are asking
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by Jeff Ruby, Steakhouse at Buckeyehuddle dot com. Real quickly, before we
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get onto the quarterbacks, I did want to mention you talked about Noah Rodgers
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transferring out. There was another Rodgers who plays wide receiver for Ohio State,
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who also entered the transfer portal, but then he came back, Bryson Rodgers.
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Maybe we need to call him Boomerang. Boomerang Rodgers came back, no
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relation. He left Ohio State to go into the portal and then came back
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in the portal. We got a chance to talk to him on Thursday as
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well, just a little bit and he you know, he didn't go into
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a ton of specifics on it, but it sure sounded a lot like he
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probably felt like he was, you know, a little bit buried, and
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that was you know, that's a loaded wide receiver room last year. You
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know, you have a talent, you know, really talented guys coming in
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again this year. I think it would be relatively easy to feel like,
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hey, maybe I'm not gonna be able to see the field real early here.
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But he's someone who last you know, towards the end of last year,
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we had people telling us that, you know, some of the stats
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that they keep in terms of you know, yards per target and that kind
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of stuff during practices, he was right at the top of those lists they
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talked about earlier today, but the fact that he is, you know,
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maybe the shiftiest, the fastest guy in terms of change of direction and that
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kind of stuff on the team in terms of wide receiver. So Bryson Rodgers
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another one to keep an eye on, another young wide receiver. It is
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very easy to just start naming a few guys and it's like, okay,
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you get you get through three four, and there's still plenty of very wide
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receivers on that team beyond that group. So I wanted to kind of touch
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on Bryson Rodgers real quick. You mentioned Kevin some mean you. I was
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not at Pro Day on Wednesday. You were, And normally Pro Day is
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really all about the guys who are have already left and are headed to the
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NFL. But they need, you know, the Cad Stover and Sam Wigloose
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and Xavier Johnson, well they needed someone to throw them the football. So
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you know, you sort of indirectly got a chance to get a first hand
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look at Devin Brown and Will Howard both throwing the football kind of running through
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the full route tree. What was your sense of how both of those guys
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threw And you know, yes, it's just against air, so sure it's
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easy to look. It's you know, it's a lot harder when there's a
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defense out there trying to stop you. But just from you know, from
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the limited view that you got on Wednesday, what was your sense for Will
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Howard and Devin Brown? The quarterback derby is over? We know who the
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winner is going to be based on throwing it against air, not so much.
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No, I've had a lot of people come to me and said,
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I believe Will Howard won. I believe Devin Brown won. And well they're
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not saying necessarily the whole quarterback battle, but they are saying, from what
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they've seen, we have four minutes and twenty one seconds. I think or
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is four to twelve. I don't know. I get numbers flipped sometimes.
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Of the throws rapid fire. It starts with Devin Brown, then it goes
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to Will Howard. Be sure to check it out here on this channel YouTube
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dot com slash Buckeye Huddle for that footage. Both of them threw a very
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nice ball. I think in terms of that day in particular, I think
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Will was a little sharper. Now that doesn't mean that Devin Brown should be
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packing his stuff and get ready to move. That's one day, one day,
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forty throws whatever it may have been, and we don't have all eighty
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of them. I wasn't I'm not that great of a photographer, but we
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had a lot of them, and I think, I think, I think
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they both showed a lot. We saw. We saw some swing passes,
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we saw some stuff over the middle, we saw some deep balls. I
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mean we you know, we didn't see the full progression. They were not
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quarterbacks showing off their stuff for the NFL because they were draft eligible and ready
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to go. We did not see the full route tree. We didn't see
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any of that stuff. It is very different than we saw CJ. Stroud
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last year go through all of this. So don't go in there and expect
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to see every pass, but go ahead and watch it, please and ring
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the bell, subscribe to the channel, thumbs up, all that good stuff.
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But yeah, I think it was very good to see this because we
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hadn't seen anything longer than a ten yard pass really in terms of practice.
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So we know they're both capable of throwing a deep ball. We don't know
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what would happen if a defensive back was out there, but it was a
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good It was a good teaser. It was a good teaser, if you
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will, And with us being three plus weeks away from the spring game,
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whatever that may be, I think it's enough to wet everybody's whistle until we
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get to the spring game. But don't expect to go in there and make
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a decision coming out of the spring game either, because that's just not how
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this is going to roll. We're going to go into the summer probably not
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knowing everybody's going to have a favorite, but we'll just go from there,
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all right. Yeah, the spring game I mentioned earlier justin Fields being the
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earliest person to lose his black stripe at one point the twenty nineteen spring game,
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and I think he was like four for thirteen in that spring game and
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had like a ninety nine yard touchdown pass and that was kind of it.
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So, yeah, the spring game is twenty five yards or something. Yeah,
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ninety nine we're on one. Yeah it was. That was kind of
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a rough spring game. We'll see what this year's spring game looks like.
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But yeah, there's no shortage of people for them to throw to. A
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Couple more things I wanted to hit In the comments, someone asked wingmanted,
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as did anyone else lose a black stripe walk on wide receiver. Brennan Shram
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out of Madonna. He also lost his black stripe your player walk on wide
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receiver, so he he was the other guy to lose his black stripe.
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Yeah, they tweeted that out, you know, an hour later or something
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like that. So yeah, that that did come out as well. People
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wondering, you know, Caleb Downs the next one to lose the black stripe.
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I think that, you know, if I was, if I was
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a betting man, I would think Caleb Downs is probably going to be the
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next one to lose his black stripe. And that's for Obama. You've made
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friends for back Obama. If he doesn't love let's you have more than seven
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Twitter followers, you're not allowed to put that rumor out there. No,
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no, no, yes, lots of lots of people were getting all worked
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up over that earlier in the week. And it's like, well, he
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keeps showing up to practice at Ohio State and like posing for pictures with recruits
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and stuff like that, so he appears to still be there. Pretty sure
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that's not you know, one of those AIA images. We saw him there
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at practice working after practice today, So you know, as of what eleven
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thirty am or so on Thursday. Caleb Downs still apparently a member of the
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Ohio State football program and seemingly likely to stay that way. Kevin, any
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other big takeaways from our time at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center on Thursday?
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Are we good to wrap up? No? I mean, I really I
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can't say that I really had any takeaways. I mean, Brian Hartline did
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talk about the fact that practice can get a little chippy between the receivers and
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the dbs. We talk about iron sharpening iron. You have a return of
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Bia, you have Zone six. To see these two units go again,
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well we don't get to see it, but to know that they're going against
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each other is only going to make both better as the year goes on.
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None of that's going to matter if the quarterback can't deliver the ball, whether
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it be from their own abilities or the line in front of them. But
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I think there's a lot of reason to be excited about what is in store
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or for both units, as they gave us receivers and some dbs and a
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linebacker thrown in there. You know, Jerry, if you're watching, you
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thank you for given. It's the names we got, but there's not a
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lot of continuity of what we got today. Yeah, well, we'll be
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back inside for the practice. Not this Saturday, but next Saturday. We're
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supposed to be in there for the full practice. Can have another practice viewing
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opportunity another week or so after that, and then of course the spring game
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on Saturday, April thirteenth, should be plenty more to watch, plenty more
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to learn. As we've said over the years, what's most telling when we
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get to watch is what has changed from week one to week two, two,
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week three to week four to week five of spring ball. There's always
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changes that we always learned a lot from those learn a lot from talking to
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the players and the coaches as well. We're sorry to get a sense to
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Jeremiah Smith might be pretty good at this football thing. Carnell take two killed
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downs, whole bunch of players for Ohio State fans to be excited about.
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Did the whole show about the offensive line on the morning show yesterday, which
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if that was a position of concern for you last year, I mean,
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go back and listen to the morning show that dropped on Wednesday evening and you
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tell me if that is the most happy, relaxed Ryan Day, you have
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heard in a long time, because it sure seemed like it to me.
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It was. Ryan Day feels like a guy who knows he's got a pretty
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good football team. So we will continue covering that football team no matter how
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good they are. We'll be covering them all spring, all summer, and
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all fall at Buckeye Huddle dot com. Kevin Tony and I there covering the
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team, covering practices, interviews, all that fun stuff will be at all
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the games. All this stuff you know you know we love from us.
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Plus Mark covering recruiting. Some potentially very big news coming there as well in
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the next week or so, as the Buck guys have at least one and
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possibly more top targets announcing their decisions before the end of the month. Mark
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covering that recruiting for you, and then of course our whole team of ex'es
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and knows Gurus, Ross and the rest of the guys all making you a
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smarter football fan. Plus the Huddle Board presented by Jeff Ruby, Steakhouse or
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we talked to you, answer your questions much much more, all at Buckeyehuddle
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dot com. We hope to see you there. Thank you guys all for
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joining us. Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Two