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PODCAST: Episode 948 - Jesse Shreibman (Bell Witch) Talks Stygian Bough Volume II · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  The approach is very different with Stygian Bow, but this time
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  I think it's been really, really fortuitous and, and fruitful.
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  And like we, I think we've come up with a really cool, almost
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  like new version of Stygian Bow, you know, than the previous
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  incarnation, which was our first attempt.
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  And, you know, I think we had a really heavy focus on this new
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  record of trying to streamline the process and also make it
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  feel a little bit more of its own rather than two separate
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  entities collaborating, you know, And I think that that was
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  kind of our biggest goal. And that's where the difference,
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  or the biggest difference in the the approach came was, you know,
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  how do we make this feel less collaborative and more like a
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  band? What's up everybody?
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  It's Kefi at ghostcultman.com. I am super stoked to be joined
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  by Jesse. You know him best for Belwich
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  and a bunch of other bands. But today we're here to talk
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  about Stygian Bow. I hope I said that correctly.
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  Is it Stygian? Stygian.
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  I know the G is hard, yeah, I played a lot of Diablo back in
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  the day and that's like I only know the character creature
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  levels and that's one of them. How are you doing, man?
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  I'm good, man. I'm excited to talk to you about
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  the new record. I am so excited to talk, you
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  have so much going on and I'm just so happy for you guys.
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  Everyone knows has seen me rock my Bell Witch shirt in
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  interviews and places, and I'm such a huge fan and I'm so proud
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  of the work that's going on in the middle of this trilogy.
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  But it's so cool that you guys got back together to do another
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  one of these Stygian Bow records, and it's so killer.
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  You know, it's a different animal from Bellwitch as it
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  naturally would be as the Aryan Ariel Ruin collab.
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  But you know, just in general for you, does your process
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  change from project to project or you just like, this is how we
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  make music and we make it. I think from band to band it
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  absolutely changes. You know, the approaches are all
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  different, but then specifically, I think there's
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  obviously an inherent difference between the approach with Bell
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  Witch as a two piece and then Stygian Bow, which is a three
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  piece. And you know, adding the extra
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  input, extra influences, extra ideas, it comes with, you know,
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  challenges and also comes with a lot of really awesome progress.
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  And I, I don't know, it brings a whole new person to the table
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  and a whole new skill set. And I think that the approach is
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  very different with Stygium Bow. But this time I think it's been
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  really, really fortuitous and, and fruitful.
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  And like we, I think we've come up with a really cool, almost
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  like new version of Stygium Bow, you know, than the previous
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  incarnation, which was our first attempt.
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  And, you know, I think we had a really heavy focus on this new
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  record of trying to streamline the process and also make it
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  feel a little bit more of its own rather than two separate
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  entities collaborating, you know, and I think that was kind
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  of our biggest goal. And that's where the difference,
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  or the biggest difference in the the approach came was, you know,
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  how do we make this feel less collaborative and more like a
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  band? That's so awesome.
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  I mean, you know, it goes without saying that how much I
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  admire you and Dylan. Eric is brilliant, right?
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  Like, there's no two ways around it.
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  Ariel Ruin is phenomenal and he's a brilliant artist.
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  So, you know, I love that you called it an attempt because the
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  first record is killer and this record doesn't it feels, it does
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  feel like a brand new version of this.
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  It's it's not just a continuation of what was before
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  it's growth. It's definitely pushing
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  boundaries for each other and the whole project, which I
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  really dig. Yeah, it's cool.
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  And yeah, I mean, Eric is, is just incredible, you know, and I
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  think that one of the funniest things about the the the
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  collaboration of the three of us as humans is that it's very
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  strong personalities and very strong preferences, very strong
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  ideas across the board. And so I think what's so
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  interesting about it is, you know, for Eric, he's a solo
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  artist. He's usually used to playing by
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  himself. And then Dylan and I almost live
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  in our own little separate. We obviously are playing
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  together, but we're both doing so much at the same time.
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  We are very hyper focused on what we are doing individually
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  and then how that sits together. And so when you have three
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  people that are all used to doing everything all at once,
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  there's a lot of compromise involved in that.
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  And there's a lot of communication involved in trying
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  to make sure that you end up in a place where everyone feels
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  that they express themselves properly, that the parts of as
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  they would like them to be, that the songs are as they should be,
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  you know, quote UN quote. And it was a This album was a
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  cool journey in that way. Right on.
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  Do you feel like having this other outlet alongside of
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  Bellwich pushes you and helps you improve?
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  Like I think the vocals on this I can't quite attribute who is
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  doing what, but the vocals in general are so amazing on this
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  new record. I love to see it carry over to
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  both bands to separately also. Well, the vocals, the reason why
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  they're so incredible is because it's all Eric.
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  You know, one of the things that is the biggest difference
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  between this new record, the new stadium bow and then volume 1 is
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  that I was pretty strong about the idea that there shouldn't be
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  screaming on this one. And then, you know, cuz I'm the
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  guy that usually that that does all the screaming.
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  And, and it basically just kind of came from the idea that
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  Eric's vocals are just so good and he's such a strong vocalist.
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  And I think in a live setting, you know, what we're currently
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  working on right now is being able to pull off those two and
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  three-part harmonies together to get them as close as we can to
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  the record when we're playing live.
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  So in a live setting, we're all going to be doing vocals, but on
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  the on the album itself, there's a whole lot of layers of Eric
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  going on. Yeah, it's so killer.
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  It's like very almost trance like and very chant like and
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  kind of reminded me a little bit of David Gold Rest in Peace from
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  Woods were Dupree and just such a beautiful, maybe with a little
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  less than more tenor than baritone, but just such a
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  beautiful round choral sound like, you know, that's something
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  I I will. I hope you will pass along for
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  me to Eric because it's just so compelling, man so compelling.
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  Sorry he couldn't make the interview, you know.
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  No, it's OK. I, you know, sometimes wonder
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  what is just better. But I I'd love to talk to Eric
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  sometime anyway and focus on his thing.
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  Actually, as much as I love, I'm sure he loved talking about this
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  did speaking So I said like vocals.
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  Do you change your setup at all drums and and organs and keys at
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  all for this, or do you just bring your your your whole, you
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  know, usual setup? I call.
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  It yeah, this on this record, there is less synthesizer and
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  less organ definitely than Bell witch.
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  So my my setup is going to still be the two keyboard pedals on
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  the feet. I'm losing 1 full synthesizer
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  rack. So I'm basically I still have an
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  the organ and still have an A couple synthesizers to add
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  textures which were on the record, but then also to make
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  sure that it translates properly live.
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  So it's it's it's almost the same.
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  It's a little bit more stripped down, but again, we have a
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  guitar player in this band, which is incredible.
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  So, you know, there's not as much of A need for the there's
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  still a lot of bells and whistles, but there are less
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  because we have a full-fledged guitar player shred with us,
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  which is fun. Totally killer.
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  I mean, Dylan is such a great artist.
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  I would hardly call it just bass playing, but I know that he can
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  play like traditional bass stuff if he wants to and he can maybe
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  change his approach, which it sounds like he has here a little
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  bit like lessened. He doesn't have to fill up the
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  space so much because there's also space for guitar.
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  But also, I always feel like one thing about bait guitar and bass
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  in relation to drums is the high range of of like a very talented
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  bassist playing up the neck as well as guitar.
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  Will sometimes in your like, especially live, interfere with
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  symbols. Like you might not hear the
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  cutthroat as well. I don't know if that's the thing
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  for you on stage, but it's definitely as a listener.
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  But it's like that first record and this new record are just
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  beautifully produced and mixed, so like everything sits in its
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  right place. And I wonder if that is there
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  any challenges live because you're not used to having a
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  guitar player. Yeah.
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  So I mean, I think that you brought up a number of points in
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  there. For one, I'll say that Dylan
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  actually is doing like on the record.
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  You'll hear all of those dueling guitar sounds.
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  Half of those are bass. So when it sounds like there's
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  harmonies in solos or harmonies, I call them the Thin Lizzy
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  parts, you know? But like any time you hear that
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  dueling guitar going on, that's usually Dylan tapping along with
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  Eric. So it's it's actually not that
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  much more stripped down than a traditional Bellwich approach.
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  What's cool though is that there's an accompaniment
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  accompanying aspect. So like usually there's a few
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  like full-fledged bass solos on the record, but a lot of them
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  are more Dylan accompanying guitar parts or vice versa, Eric
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  accompanying bass leads. So Billy Anderson as usual did a
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  killer job, but I think on this record really knocked it out of
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  the park at a number of levels. Like this one sounds so much
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  better to me than the first Stygianbow record.
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  And my this is subjective, but these drum tones on this record
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  are some of my favorite drum tones I've ever had.
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  And I've been playing and recording for 20 years and
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  touring and I'm just so stoked on the way the drums came out on
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  this one. And I don't really know was
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  different and what happened, but this, this one did seem to fall
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  into place, sonically at least, really nicely.
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  Right on I love hearing that I was definitely hearing like some
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  King Crimson tool stuff with the interplay on the on the
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  instruments there where there's some sort of non traditional
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  overlap and and weaving, which is really cool.
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  I mean, I mean that fully as a compliment when I say that, you
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  know, I know, I know when people hear Tool and suddenly it's like
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  a cat sees their shadow in a mirror and like, you know, but
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  like, I, I understand. I am a Tool fan.
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  I understand why people like, oh God, don't start talking about
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  he's going to start talking about Tool.
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  I'm that guy. I know.
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  I think that we have, you know, there's there's we all have our
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  own individual influences. You know, one of my favorite
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  like, I guess proggy bands of all time is actually Mahavishnu
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  Orchestra. And you know, there's a number
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  of King Crimson fucking rules. And I think that, you know, tool
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  aside, we there's definitely some parts in this record and
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  then, you know, some some interesting parts where we're we
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  were flip flopping accents and time, not necessarily even like
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  complicated time signatures. But there there is definitely a
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  spot in this new record that I call it the slowest math problem
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  ever. Even when we were like just
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  relearning it, getting ready to play out these songs live.
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  I forgot how tricky it was. And I was trying to add the, you
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  know, the organ part on top of this like kind of weird
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  polyrhythm thing. And it was just like, well, this
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  is actually kind of proggy, you know?
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  And I, we didn't think about it at all that way when we were
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  writing it. It just kind of happened.
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  But it's funny when those things do happen, you know?
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  Especially for a band that's playing as slow as us.
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  And then you get to play a game. I like to call find the one.
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  Where's the 1? I don't.
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  Is it here? Is it here?
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  Is that it again? Yeah, That's a great.
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  It's it's great. It seems like you're really the
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  number one thing beside the the love together of creating this
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  music is the challenge, right? It's a challenge for yourself to
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  just not only make this wonderful artistic thing, but
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  also to make, you know, make yourself better in the
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  processes. Super cool to see being still
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  like striving like this. It means a lot to me.
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  I think it's the only point, you know, and I, and I look at it
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  especially because I play in a number of other projects, you
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  know, you are what you dedicate your time to and every single
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  thing you do influences the other things.
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  So I think that it's cool when and one of the things I love
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  about just playing music in general is it's in theory, it's
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  like minded people trying to express themselves.
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  It's also homies hanging out and, you know, but learning
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  together and, and kind of working through ups and downs.
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  So I think that, you know, this one was really cool because a
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  lot of time had passed since 2020 and a lot of things have
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  happened since then. And even more so, you know, CG
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  and Bao went from never playing together in that way to doing a
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  number of really cool tours and meshing more in our approach,
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  which created a easier communication style to navigate.
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  And we had a frame of reference to build off of, you know, and I
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  think that that's one of the things that's the, the, the
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  challenge, but also the blessing of playing with people for a
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  long time is once there's a precedent set, you can you have
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  a platform to grow off of. Right on.
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  I love hearing that and I appreciate you sharing that part
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  of the process. So new album announcement, tour
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  albums around the corner. This will run sometime later.
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  You know, obviously in the midst of your bunch of bands and Bell
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  Witch and you know, supposed 2026.
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  I can't believe the year is almost over, you know, Beside
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  what we've already had announced, do you think there'll
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  be some more opportunities to get the band out there on more
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  tours in the future, more frequently?
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  100%, yeah. We're, we're, we're already
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  starting to look towards, you know, mid to late 2026 putting
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  together what's going on. I think we're going to have some
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  cool stuff pop up, you know, hopefully some festivals,
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  hopefully some support tours, you know, also we'll do some
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  more headlining stuff. So we're we're excited to get
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  out there and play these songs live.
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  They're going. To be rippers.
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  Oh, for sure, man, I can. And now you have this whole body
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  of work. I know you've performed the
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  first album in full. Would love to see that.
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  Also, I know that, you know, time constraints or whatever, if
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  it's not a headline, what you know, what can you do with the
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  time and, and everything? But yeah, I would love to see to
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  see you guys get out there and do some more stuff and, you
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  know, hope for more in the future.
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  I hope it continues to stay, you know, energizing for the three
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  of you certainly is as a fan and a listener.
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  And, you know, I'm sure we can put the word out to our friends
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  at Rd. Burn or anywhere else in the
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  world that likes cool shit to put you guys on.
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  You know, there's a we're starting to finally get some
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  actual decent, you know, prepare the ground and things like, you
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  know, we're starting to get some North American vibes like Rd.
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  Burn head. Just just for a last few things.
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  Have you, you know, it's kind of interesting.
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  I don't know if you consider yourself an introvert or an
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  extrovert and this is our first time meeting, but since this was
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  a project that kind of came from the pandemic and I always very
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  respectful, we just kind of quadrupled down on everything we
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  did during that time. Some people felt like they, you
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  know, that I can't do anything. I can't do anything creative.
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  Mike from Yaab was like, I can't write at all.
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  Once this is all over and I know where the future is, I can go
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  back and write a new album, which I think they're probably
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  working on, but they're on tour right now actually.
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  So just, you know, do you feel like looking back that at that
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  first album and to now, do you feel like a little more like the
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  world is back to sort of a routine again and you can work?
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  Or did you feel like, oh, if you know, if everything stopped
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  again? I just keep making.
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  Art. Yeah, that's interesting.
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  I guess First off, I'm, I'm definitely an extrovert to a
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  fault sometimes. But I think that, you know, the
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  pandemic was a really interesting experience across
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  the board musically. But then also as an individual
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  musically, it represented like a loss of about 2 1/2 years worth
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  of really cool scheduled shit that we had coming up like Bell,
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  which was about to do some really cool stuff and and then
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  likewise Stygian Bow. That record was like already
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  written, but then we were going to record it, you know, and so
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  it was just like, or, or it was, I don't even remember exactly.
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  I think we recorded it right before the pandemic started and
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  then it got released during the pandemic.
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  But I guess what was really cool about the pandemic, I guess
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  specifically for Bell witch is that it completely reshaped the
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  way that we approached what is now going to be the triptych.
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  Originally we actually had time booked in the studio for like
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  late, I believe it was late March to record what would have
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  been the first album of the of the of the trilogy.
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  And then everything fell apart. You know, we actually still have
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  the studio time booked, but the practice space were was
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  unaccessible like it shut down. So we ended up having to cancel
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  this recording session, which was probably the best thing that
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  could have ever happened for this idea, because what it
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  allowed us to do is it gave us time to completely revision like
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  re envision and rethink the approach to these three albums
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  that will connect. And we actually scrapped almost
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  the entire thing that we were going to record is now going to
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  be part of some of these later installments of the triptych.
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  But so for musically, it was a really interesting moment in
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  time where I think we had more time to write than we ever would
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  have because we didn't have jobs, because we weren't quote,
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  UN quote what? What was the word necessary or
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  whatever? Essential workers.
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  Thank you, essential workers. But yeah, I mean, as far as the
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  world now, I mean, it's it's almost worse than it was during
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  the pandemic. I think it during the pandemic,
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  we could, I think that there was a common goal despite the
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  difference of opinions on how it should look.
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  Right now things feel extremely divided and almost I mean
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  between AI and our politicians. At the moment.
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  I'm not really sure what the future holds, but what I do know
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  is that I believe that art and music has never been more
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  essential than now. I think that authentic
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  expressions of human of the human psyche and and art is what
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  will allow people to tell the difference between AI generated
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  art and real art. Mediocrity can be left to the AI
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  people, but I think it's important that people continue
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  to express themselves in authentic, human ways.
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  And you know, we'll see what happens, but it's never been
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  more important for people to feel connected to each other.
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  You know, music is my particular or most focused on medium.
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  So if people go out to shows, they feel camaraderie and a
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  community. Whether there's 40 people at
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  that show or 4000 people at that show, that's a success because
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  they're not at home on their computers.
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  Right. I'm beautifully said.
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  And yeah, very concerned about the future of music with AI.
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  BMI and ASCAP just made some deal with SUNO.
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  I'm like, oh, I feel, I think I just threw up in my mouth a
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  little. Even just saying a sentence.
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  It's like a partially AI, partially AI, you know, songs
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  can be now like, you know, just anyway, so much so many things
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  to be concerned about. Two last quick questions.
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  Sure, since since we were talking about a collab project,
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  you have a favorite collab project that's not yours.
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  Was is there a favorite 1 you can think of?
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  There's been so many recently. Favorite collab?
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  Project. Well, I'll say I think
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  Mahavishnu Orchestra is one of the sickest collaborative
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  projects that's ever happened, specifically between Billy
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  Cobham, who's one of my favorite drummers, and John McLaughlin.
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  That shit's insane. I think in like, you know, like
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  the sun and Boris collab, if we're going to talk about, you
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  know, in this little world that we're living in, you know, when
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  I was a kid and I heard that for the first time, it blew my mind.
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  And when I revisit it, it blows my mind.
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  And it's still my favorite thing that both bands have ever done,
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  which stands out. I just gave you 2 things.
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  I think when Busta Rhymes and Q-tip get together, that rules,
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  and I'll leave it at that. Yeah, fair enough.
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  Yeah, I grew up on a lot of prog rock and Mahavishnu and stuff
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  like that. So yeah, that is that is like
• 19:48
  The Avengers assemble of jazz rock for sure.
• 19:51
  And jazz fusion, Absolutely. And then beyond that.
• 19:54
  And then just for a last question, I always like to end
• 19:55
  these with the wild card. This is probably going to run
• 19:58
  closer to the end of the year. Do you have a favorite 2025
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  release so far beside your own? That doesn't have to be, you
• 20:05
  know, specifically heavy music, but anything in particular
• 20:07
  listen to most or love the most? Can I give you a couple you?
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  Please, please do. OK, I actually think that this
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  year has been probably one of my favorite year of new releases in
• 20:18
  a really long time. There's a guitar player named
• 20:21
  Mason Lindahl from New York that's absolutely incredible.
• 20:25
  I'm I'm blanking on the name of his record, but I'm going to
• 20:30
  look it up right now. It's instrumental.
• 20:32
  It's so emotive. Oh, it's called Joshua same day
• 20:34
  walking. Have to check it out.
• 20:36
  He's one of my favorite contemporary artists right now.
• 20:39
  The new evoking record, like maybe the best thing they've
• 20:42
  done. It's like the sequel to
• 20:44
  Antithesis of Light, you know, almost.
• 20:46
  It's just matured and it's so incredible.
• 20:50
  One of my other projects, Corpus Awful, got to play with Evoke in
• 20:53
  a couple times this year, and so I saw the songs being performed
• 20:58
  before it came out and it's crazy how good they are still
• 21:02
  and just how good that album is. The new Black Curse record is
• 21:07
  incredible, like a step up from their last one and I also think
• 21:11
  that the new piss grim record is unfuck withable.
• 21:14
  Any who, those are the ones right now.
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  Bunch of bangers. I love it.
• 21:17
  And Unfuck withable is one of my favorite words.
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  I've made that same observation in the evoking interview we have
• 21:24
  coming out about like the parallels to those two records.
• 21:27
  Incredible stuff. Hey Jesse man, super nice to
• 21:30
  meet you in person. Not when I'm photographing the
• 21:33
  band and falling in a ditch. I told that story to Desmond.
• 21:36
  Congratulations on on Stygian Bow and whatever else you have
• 21:39
  coming up with your other bands. And of course, Bellwich, thank
• 21:42
  you so much for hanging out with.
• 21:43
  Hey, thank you for the time and look forward to speaking soon.