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Suspected Killer Identified 30 Years Later in Woman, Teen Murders · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine a woman murdered on a city sidewalk like it
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has been pouring rain literally all.
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Speaker 2: Night, right, just a total downpour exactly.
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Speaker 1: The concrete beneath her is soak, the buildings around her
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are dripping, the air is just you know, heavy with moisture.
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But her clothes are completely inexplicably bone.
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Speaker 2: Dry, which is physically impossible.
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Speaker 1: It is it's like a glitch in the matrix, that
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one impossible physical contradiction. This bizarre detail from nineteen ninety
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three sparked a thirty two year scientific manhunt.
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Speaker 2: Wow, thirty two years.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it forces us to rethink everything we know
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about time and justice because you know, usually when we
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talk about criminal investigations, time is framed as the ultimate enemy.
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The clock is always ticking.
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Speaker 2: Right, the whole first forty eight hours.
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Speaker 1: Rule, exactly. With every second that passes, evidence degrades, witnesses forget,
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and the truth supposedly looks further away. But what if
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time wasn't burying the truth? What if for over three decades,
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time was just giving science the runway it needed to
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finally catch up to a killer.
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Speaker 2: It completely flips our traditional understanding of cold cases right
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on its head We are so conditioned to believe that
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if a detective doesn't put handcuffs on someone by Tuesday,
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the case is just destined to be a ghost.
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Speaker 3: Story forever, right, Like it's just over.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But what we were looking at today proves at
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sometimes the only thing missing isn't the evidence itself. The
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evidence is sitting right there in a box.
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Speaker 1: This is waiting.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what's missing is the vocabulary required to read it.
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Speaker 1: And that is exactly what happened. On April ninth, twenty
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twenty six, authorities in Camden County, New Jersey stepped up
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to a podium and made an announcement that just sent
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shock waves through two local communities and really the entire
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true crime world.
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Speaker 3: It was a massive moment, it really was.
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Speaker 1: So today we are pulling our information from the detailed
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accounts in Unmasked DNA and the South Jersey Cold case Breakthrough.
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Our mission for this deep dive is to unpack two tragic,
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seemingly disconnected cold cases from the nineteen nineties, the murders
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of Marabeth Welsh and Jennifer.
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Speaker 3: Persh, two very different victims, very.
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Speaker 1: Different We are going to explore the heartbreaking details of
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these crimes the agonizing decades of dead ends, and the
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absolute revolution in investigative genetic genealogy that finally unmask their
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suspected killer. So, okay, let's unpack this.
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Speaker 2: I am so ready, and I just have to say,
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the rarity of what we are about to discuss really
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cannot be overstated.
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Speaker 1: No, it's unprecedented in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 2: It is linking two disparate cold cases, occurring months apart,
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involving victims with completely different profiles, and doing it decades
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after the trail went ice cold. That is a monumental
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feat of modern forensics.
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Speaker 1: It sets up the entire theme of our discussion today
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for you guys listening, how modern science bridges that agonizing
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gap between lost hope and belated justice.
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Speaker 2: So where do we start.
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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the very beginning, the first tragedy.
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The year is nineteen ninety three, and we are looking
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at the life of Marabeth Welsh. She was just twenty
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four years old, so young, a mother of two young children,
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navigating the extreme complexities of young adulthood in South Jersey.
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In the fall of nineteen ninety three, her personal life
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was in a significant transition. She was estrange from her
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husband Daniel Welsh and living in Woodland, New Jersey.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: She was sharing a residence on the two hundred block
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of Cypress Avenue with two male roommates. Now, can you
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paint a picture of Woodland for the listener, Like, what
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kind of environment are we talking about here?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So Woodland is crucial to understanding the psychology of
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this initial crime. It is a very small, dense borrow
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in Camden County. It's the kind of tight knit community
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where residents generally know their neighbors.
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Speaker 1: Like you notice if a strange car is parked on your.
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Speaker 2: Street exactly you recognize the cars, you know the routines.
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It's a place that feels somewhat insulated from the more intense,
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anonymous urban challenges of the surrounding larger cities. So you
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have Maribeth in this vulnerable, transitional phase of her life,
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living with roommates, raising two kids, in a community where
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people notice when things are out of the ordinary, which.
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Speaker 1: Makes the events of the weekend of November thirteenth and
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fourteenth just so jarring. Early on Sunday morning, November fourteenth,
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nineteen ninety three, at exactly four two four am, Camden
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Police officers make a horrific discovery. Marebeth's body is found
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on the sidewalk along the three hundred block of Jackson Street.
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Speaker 2: But that's not in Woodland, right, No, And.
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Speaker 1: Here's the critical geographical shift. This is in the waterfront
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south neighborhood of Camden, Okay.
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Speaker 2: That is a very different environment from her quiet street
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in Woodland.
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Speaker 1: Radically different. And when the first responders arrive, the condition
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of the scene immediately throws them into a state of
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deep confusion.
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Speaker 2: Well, the physical state of a crime scene is always
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our first rawest window into the psychology and the timeline
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of the event. When an investigator steps under that yellow tape,
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they're basically reading a physical language. And in Marabeth's case,
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the details are screaming that something is fundamentally wrong with
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the narrative of the space.
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Speaker 1: And that brings us back to the rain. Like I
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said at the start, she was found without her shoes.
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She was wearing only one sock. But the detail that
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stops you in your track is the weather.
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Speaker 2: The dry clothes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it had rained significantly earlier that night, the sidewalks,
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the streets, the environment, everything was wet. Yet Marabeth's clothes
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were inexplicably dry. I want to pause here because I
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find this fascinating. When an investigator sees dry clothes on
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a wet sidewalk, what does that actually trigger in a
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forensic context.
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Speaker 2: Uh? It triggers an immediate pivot from investigating a primary
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crime scene to investigating a dump site.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah.
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Speaker 2: The environment is telling you one physical reality. Water fell
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from the sky and saturated this concrete, But the victim's
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clothing is telling you a completely conflicting reality. This fabric
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was sheltered.
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Speaker 1: From that water, so the body had to be put
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there later.
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Speaker 2: Right, the body was introduced to this environment after the
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rain had stopped. It tells investigators that the violence did
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not happen on Jackson Street.
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Speaker 1: That's like walking into a room where gravity is turned off.
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The facts of the environment physically contradict the state of
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the evidence. It's a jigsaw puzzle where the pieces were
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intentionally or maybe just recklessly manipulated.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is what that tells us about the killer.
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Staging a scene is usually meant to mislead the police,
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making a murder look like a suicide, for example.
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Speaker 1: Right to throw them off the set.
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Speaker 2: But dumping a body and a public space on a
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sidewalk isn't about misdirection, It's about removal. Doctor Robert Segal,
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the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy, confirmed the extreme violence.
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Marbeth endored it was awful, truly. The cause of death
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was strangulation. There were undeniable signs of sexual assault, and
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there was blood dripping from her nose. Those are highly intimate,
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physically exerting acts of violence.
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Speaker 1: And when investigators started connecting the dogs back to her life,
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they found the actual primary crime scene. They went back
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to Woodland to her house. Yes, they found blood on
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a bed comforter in her bedroom on Cyprus Avenue, which
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means she was attacked and killed and which should have
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been her ultimate safe space, her own home, potentially while
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she was in bed.
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Speaker 2: The psychological gap between an intimate bedroom assault and a
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public sidewalk dump is just massive. It requires a tremendous
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amount of logistical movement.
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Speaker 1: Wait, let me stop you there, because think about the
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physical logistics of that for a second.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild.
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Speaker 1: A killer attacks a twenty four year old woman in
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her bedroom. There are two male roommates living in this house.
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The killer has to subdue her, commit this horrific assault,
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murder her, and then somehow extract her body.
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Speaker 2: From that house without waking anyone up.
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Speaker 1: Right, they have to put her in a vehicle, drive
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from Woodland to the Waterfront's South neighborhood in Camden, risk
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a traffic stop, risk a late night pedestrian seeing them,
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and then physically pull her out of the car and
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leave her on a sidewalk.
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Speaker 2: It's incredibly brazen.
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Speaker 1: How does someone pull that off without being seen? Does
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this imply the killer was a mastermind or just incredibly lucky?
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Speaker 2: I'd say it implies a terrifying blend of either extreme
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blinding panic, like someone so desperate to get the victim
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out of their immediate vicinity that they completely ignore the risks,
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or a chilling practice level of confidence. When you consider
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the presence of roommates, it highly suggests the killer knew
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the layout of the house. Oh, that makes sense, right,
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They knew the schedules of the people living there and
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felt comfortable enough to navigate that space in the dark.
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A random burglar does not drag a heavy, deceased adult
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out of a house and put them in a car.
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A random burglar runs away.
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Speaker 1: So the police look at this, and they do what
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makes logical sense. They look the immediate circle. They have
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the whare the bedroom, they have the what strangulation and
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sexual assault, and crucially, they have the biological evidence the DNA. Yes,
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they collected DNA from her shirt and underwear and they
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tested the blood on the comforter. They immediately ran these
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samples against her stranged husband Daniel, and her two male roommates.
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The DNA testing completely ruled them out. They were entirely.
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Speaker 3: Cleared, oh Man.
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Speaker 2: Which is the most devastating bottleneck in the early days
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of a homicide investigation. It really is you have the
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biological signature of the monster, You have the literal cells
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of the person who committed the crime. But when you
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test the immediate circle the people who statistically are the
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most likely suspects, and they all come back negative. You
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are suddenly staring into the void.
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Speaker 1: So if it's not the husband, and it's not the roommates,
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who is it. The residents of Woodland and Camden are terrified.
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Theories start circulating. Was it a random predator who followed
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her home, a delivery driver, someone from a local bar.
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Speaker 2: The suspect pool just instantly widens.
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Speaker 1: From three guys to thousands of faceless phantoms, and because
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nobody comes forward with definitive leads, investigators hit a massive wall.
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The DNA profile goes into a file and it just
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sits there. The trail from Arabis killer goes completely cold, and.
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Speaker 2: We must acknowledge the human cost of that coldness. It
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settles heavily over the family. You have her daughter, Melody
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Beth Welsh, growing up without her mother, forced to reconcile
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with this violent, unsolved absence.
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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: It is you have a community permanently scarred by the
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knowledge that someone capable of dragging a young mother out
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of her home and leaving her on a sidewalk is
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still breathing free air walking among them.
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Speaker 1: But the nightmare wasn't over. While the investigation into Maribeth's
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death stalled, the killer himself was still active. Just five
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months later, the horror.
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Speaker 2: Shifts a very short window.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it moves from a public street in Camden directly
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into a family living room in another small town. And
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this brings us to the second tragedy, the profoundly disturbing
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case of Jennifer Persia.
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Speaker 2: The shift in victimology and location between these two events
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is one of the most perplexing elements of this entire narrative.
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Speaker 1: Let's focus on Jennifer. It is April nineteen ninety four.
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Jennifer Lynn Persia is just sixteen years old, depending on
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the specific source, She's either a freshman or a sophomore
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at Sterling High School in Summerdale. And by all accounts,
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this girl was a force of nature. She was an
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incredibly vibrant, deeply involved teenager. The report says she had
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everything going for her. She played the sack cephone in
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the marching band. She was in the color guard. She
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was an exceptional athlete, joining the varsity track team as
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a freshman and immediately winning medals.
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Speaker 2: She really represents the absolute beating heart of small town
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community life. The band, the track team, the local school events.
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She is deeply woven into the social fabric.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she was highly visible and beloved. She loved the
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color purple. She was just a bright, energetic light in
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her family. She lived in Magnolia, New Jersey, a tight
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knit burrow of roughly four thousand people.
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Speaker 2: Four thousand is tiny, very tiny.
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Speaker 1: Magnolia is described as the kind of place where people
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genuinely leave their doors unlocked, It's the stereotypical American small
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town where everyone knows everyone's business. But on Monday, April fourth,
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nineteen ninety four, that illusion of safety was shattered permanently.
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Speaker 2: And the timeline of this attack is incredibly brazen.
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Speaker 1: That's what stands out to me. It's around eight point
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four to five in the evening. This isn't three am
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under the cover of total darkness. It's the evening. Please
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respond to a nine to one to one report of
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an unconscious person at Jennifer's family home on the one
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hundred block of Jefferson Street in Magnolia. Right when officers
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walk through that door, what they find is apocalyptic. Jennifer's
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lying on the living room floor and the violence inflicted
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upon this sixteen year old girl is just staggering.
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Speaker 2: The crime scene in Magnolia is a stark, aggressive divergence
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from the methodology used in Marybeth Walsh's murder. We are
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looking at a massive escalation in visible, chaotic violence.
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Speaker 1: She had suffered multiple stab wounds to her neck and chest.
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Beyond that, the killer had used a cloth ligature, wrapping
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it and tightening it around her neck.
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Speaker 2: That's incredibly personal.
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Speaker 1: There were additional sharp and blunt force injuries all over
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her body. She was pronounced dead right there at the scene.
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The medical examiner later confirmed that the cause of death
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was a brutal combination of those insize stab wounds and
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the ligature strangulation.
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Speaker 2: And the scene itself.
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Speaker 1: It was chaotic. There was blood recovered from her socks,
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from a door in the house and from the master
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bedroom closet.
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Speaker 2: Okay, when an investigator reads a room with blood on
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the socks, blood on a door, and blood in a closet,
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it tells them they're not looking at a stationary attack.
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Right she moved, They're looking at a dynamic, desperate struggle.
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Jennifer fought for her life. The violence moved through the
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architecture of the house, or at the very least, the
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killer was moving aggressively through different rooms after the assault.
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Speaker 1: Now, early on, there was a lot of local speculation
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about a motive. The family home had been targeted. Some
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people thought maybe it was a botched burglary.
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Speaker 2: That happens a lot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, The rumor mill suggested maybe the killer or killers
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were looking for a small amount of cash, maybe a
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couple hundred dollars, and Jennifer surprised them but investigators very
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quickly started to pivot away from that. They began to
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suspect this was highly personal.
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Speaker 2: The botched burglary theory is incredibly common in home invasion homicides,
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primarily because it's a comforting narrative for a frightened community.
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Also well, it implies the violence was accidental, a byproduct
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of a property crime gone wrong. But the physical evidence
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in the Persia home completely contradicted that comforting narrative. The
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most crucial detail is the point of entry.
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Speaker 1: Right there were absolutely no signs of forced entry, no
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shattered glass, no Jimmy marks on the doorframe, no kicked
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in dead bolt. And I really need to stop and
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challenge the profile here because this is the part that
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drives me crazy when trying to understand criminal behavior. We
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just talked about Mayorbeth Welsh, a twenty four year old
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mother sexually assaulted in her bedroom and then her body
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is physically transported and dumped outdoors in a different town.
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Right now, barely five months later, we have a sixteen
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year old high school student stabbed repeatedly and strangled with
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the literature inside her own living room, with no forced entry,
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and left right there on the floor.
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Speaker 2: It is a massive juxtaposition.
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Speaker 1: It is how does a killer's psychology evolve that fast
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in just five months? Why go from the extreme logistical
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panic of moving a body in the rain to the hyperviolent,
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terrifyingly intimate act of slaughtering teenager in her living room
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and just leaving her there? Does a killer actually change
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their signature this drastically?
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Speaker 2: That is the pivotal question that likely haunted investigators for decades.
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And to understand it, we have to separate modus operandi
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the MO, from the psychological signature.
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Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for me.
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Speaker 2: The MO is just how the offender accomplishes the crime.
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It's the logistics. MO can evolve rapidly as an offender
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learns from mistakes, adapts to different environments, or reacts to
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immediate circumstances. If transporting Marabeth's body terrified the killer, he
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might decide never to move a body again. That changes them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so the mo's flexible. But what about the signature.
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Speaker 2: The signature is the psychological need the killer is trying
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to satisfy. It is the deep, dark compulsion. What we
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see here with Jennifer Persia is a crime of extreme
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proximity intense rage and control.
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Speaker 1: It's just so Bertle.
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Speaker 2: The sheer fury required to inflict multiple insize stab wounds
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to the neck and chest, combined with the deeply intimate,
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sustained physical effort of ligature strangulation, alongside the lack of
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forced entry points away from a stranger, it screams familiarity.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying the police suddenly went from looking for
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a phantom stranger to having to screen the immediate social circle. Yes,
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because if there's no forced entry, Jennifer likely knew the
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person who walked through her front door, or at the
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very least she recognized them as someone who belonged there.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, the person was either invited in or they had
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a legitimate, mundane reason to be at the house, a
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reason that wouldn't immediately trigger alarms for a sixteen year
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old girl home.
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Speaker 3: Alone in the evening That is terrifying.
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Speaker 2: It is the brutality of the attack points to an
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overwhelming rage or a desperate need to silence her. But
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the lack of forced entry points squarely at authorized access.
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Speaker 1: And when we talk about authorized access, we have to
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explore the stepfather's ties. Jennifer's stepfather co owned the Sterling autoshop,
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and the sources note that Jennifer spent time there. She
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was part of that.
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Speaker 2: Environment, which is a huge detail. Right.
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Speaker 1: Think about an auto shop in a small town. It
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is a massive hub of community activity. It's not just
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the mechanics, it's the parts vendors, the tool delivery drivers,
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the regular customers, the contractors who fix the room for
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paved a lot. It creates a vast, sprawling web of
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local acquaintances, which is an absolute nightmare for an investigator.
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Speaker 2: I can admit the suspect pool isn't just the kids
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in her biology class. It expands to include the entire
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periphery of her family's business network. How do you even
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begin to investigate a web that wide? You have to
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interview hundreds of people, all of them have a plausible
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reason for knowing the family, but none of whom immediately
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stand out as a hyper violent predator.
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Speaker 1: The impact on Magnolia was instant and profound. This town
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of four thousand people, where doors were never locked, essentially
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went out a self imposed lockdown. Residents started buying dead volts,
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They formed neighborhood watches.
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Speaker 2: You lose that innocence completely.
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Speaker 1: The psychological trauma of an unsolved child murder is unique.
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Trust completely evaporates. You start looking at your neighbor, the
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mail carrier, the guy at the grocery store, and wondering,
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is it you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the paranoia sets in.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer's mother, George and McNair, gave an interview in nineteen
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ninety five that is just shattering. She said, I can't
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imagine what kind of animal did this to my daughter.
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Speaker 2: That quote captures the absolute despair of a community that
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feels preyed upon. The massive local police response. The tip lines,
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the composite sketches. They generate a noise, but they didn't
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generate the killer.
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Speaker 1: Because the police had the biological evidence, but they didn't
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have the technology. And this brings us to the most
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agonizing phase of this entire story, the dark decades. We're
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entering a thirty two year period of absolute deafening silence.
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Speaker 2: Thirty two years.
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Speaker 1: I want you, the person listening to this right now,
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to really conceptualize what thirty two years means. Think about
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where you were at thirty two years ago, or if
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you aren't that old, think about an entire lifetime passing
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thirty two thanksgivings thirty two New birthdays, thirty two anniversaries
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of the murder. Without a single concrete answer about who
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slaughtered the person you.
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Speaker 2: Love, it becomes a generational burden. The children of the victims,
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like Marabeth's daughter, grow into adults, they have their own children,
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and the open wound of the unsolved case remains just
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as agonizingly fresh as it was the morning the police
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tape went up.
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Speaker 1: We have to dive deeply into the limitations of forensics
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in the nineteen nineties, because this is the sole reason
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for that thirty two year gap. The investigators in Camden
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County had biological evidence. They had mail DNA from Marabeth's
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shirt and underwear. They had blood evidence from Jennifer's home.
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Speaker 2: They had the killer right there in a tube.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but having that DNA in nineteen ninety three was
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like holding a book written in an alien language that
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nobody on Earth had the dictionary to translate.
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Speaker 2: That is the exact reality of the era. In the
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early nineteen nineties, DNA technology was still in its relative
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infancy in criminal justice. We were moving past basic blood typing,
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but the systems to you our's genetic profiles simply didn't
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exist at scale. Even when the FBI finally launched codies
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in the late nineties. It was fundamentally limited by its architecture.
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Speaker 1: Let's actually explain CODIS because I think a lot of
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people watch police procedurals on TV and as soon as
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just a magic glowing.
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Speaker 2: Computer, right, the CSI effect.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you drop a hairingd a machine, it beeps three
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times and spits out a driver's license photo of the killer.
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But that's not how it works.
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Speaker 2: Is it's not at all. Television does forensic science a
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massive disservice by making it look instantaneous. COTIS is essentially
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a massive card catalog. It relies entirely on exact one
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to one matches.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it needs an identical twin profile exactly.
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Speaker 2: For a crime scene DNA profile to generate a hit
20:40
in CODIS, the perpetrator's DNA must already be sitting in
20:43
that specific database, meaning the.
20:45
Speaker 1: Killer had to have been arrested, previously convicted of a
20:48
specific qualifying offense, and physically swabbed by the state so
20:52
their profile could be uploaded precisely.
20:55
Speaker 2: COTIS looks at specific markers called short tandem repeats or STRs.
21:00
If the unknown profile from the crime scene has a
21:02
specific sequence at those markers, the computer searches the millions
21:06
of known offender profiles looking for an identical sequence, and.
21:09
Speaker 1: If they haven't been caught for something else.
21:10
Speaker 2: If the killer has never been arrested for a crime
21:12
that warrants a DNA swab, or if their previous crimes
21:15
occurred in an era before mandatwords swatting laws were heavily enforced.
21:18
They are effectively a ghost to the system.
21:21
Speaker 1: So the crime scene profile goes into the database. The
21:23
computer scans it against every known felon in the country.
21:27
It finds zero exact matches, and then what it just
21:31
sits there.
21:32
Speaker 2: It just sits there, goes completely dormant. Investigators can instruct
21:35
the system to run it again every month, every year,
21:39
hoping that the killer eventually gets arrested for a barfight
21:41
or a robbery and gets swabbed. But until that specific
21:45
offender enters the system through another crime, the murder case
21:49
remains stone cold. The technology could only tell you who
21:53
the killer wasn't It couldn't tell you who he was,
21:56
which puts.
21:56
Speaker 1: The victims' families in this unbearable state of limbo. And
22:00
I want to emphasize this heavily to you listening. Justice
22:02
wasn't delayed in South Jersey because the police didn't care.
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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: The sources we have show a massive, sustained local response.
22:10
Magnolia's police chief, John Houston explicitly stated that the community's
22:14
hearts never left the Persia family. The detectives cared deeply,
22:18
but they were defeated by the limits of the calendar.
22:21
They were searching for a needle in a haystack, but
22:23
the science of the day forced them to wear a blindfold.
22:26
Speaker 2: If we zoom out and look at the broader landscape
22:28
of American criminal justice, these two South Jersey cases perfectly
22:33
exemplify a tragic national era. The nineteen eighties and nineteen
22:37
nineties saw thousands of homicides across the United States go unsolved.
22:41
It was a huge ways of violence right and a
22:44
generation of victim's families were trapped in this exact same limbo.
22:48
They knew the killer's biological signature was sitting in an
22:51
evidence locker, but they were completely powerless to attach a
22:54
name to it.
22:55
Speaker 1: And yet the communities refused to let Marabeth and Jennifer
22:58
be forgotten. The enduring legacy in Magnolia is truly moving.
23:02
They built a memorial gazebo in Jennifer's honor right in
23:05
the center of town.
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Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
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Speaker 1: They established the annual Jennifer Persian Memorial Scholarships at local schools,
23:11
ensuring her name was associated with education. In future generations.
23:15
You'd see purple ribbons, her favorite color, tied around trees
23:18
and poles at remembrance events. As the Internet grew, a
23:21
dedicated Facebook group was created. A change dot org petition
23:25
was circulated demanding justice. There was a fine, a grave memorial,
23:29
and various true crime deep dives kept her story echoing
23:32
in the digital age.
23:33
Speaker 2: That level of sustained community endurance serves a very powerful
23:37
dual purpose. First, it honors the humanity of the victim.
23:41
It ensures Jennifer is remembered as the vibrant musician and
23:44
track star she was, rather than just a tragic, gruesome statistic.
23:48
But second, it acts as a psychological beacon. It signals
23:52
to law enforcement and more importantly, to the killer, that
23:54
the community has not surrendered. The town is saying we
23:57
are still here, we are still low.
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Speaker 1: And on the other side you have Marabeth's family, her
24:03
husband Daniel Welsh, living for decades with the shock and
24:06
the unresolved trauma, her daughter marking every major life milestone
24:11
without her mother.
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Speaker 2: So unfair.
24:13
Speaker 1: Think about graduating high school, getting married, perhaps having your
24:16
own children, and the whole time carrying this heavy, silent absence.
24:20
Thirty two years of anniversaries marked by nothing but a void.
24:24
Speaker 2: But here is the critical counter narrative to all that waiting.
24:27
While the families were agonizing and the communities were mourning,
24:30
the science in the background was quietly aggressively evolving.
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Speaker 1: This is the turning point.
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Speaker 2: The blindfold you mentioned earlier was slowly being untied by
24:39
geneticists and software engineers who had nothing to do with
24:42
law enforcement, but whose work was about to change everything.
24:46
Speaker 1: And that brings us to the massive shift in this story,
24:48
the shift in energy from passive waiting to active pursuit.
24:53
Because the DNA technology of nineteen ninety three hit a
24:55
brick wall, a dangerous window had been left open. But
24:59
now we move out of the dark decades and into
25:02
the scientific revolution. Welcome to the era of investigative genetic genealogy.
25:07
Speaker 2: This is where the narrative accelerates. It is the moment
25:10
where human persistence finally intersects with technological capability.
25:14
Speaker 1: The catalyst for this entire breakthrough happens incredibly recently. In
25:18
January twenty twenty four, the Camby County Prosecutor's Office makes
25:21
a crucial administrative decision. They decide to form a specialized unit,
25:26
the Homicide Cold Case Unit.
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Speaker 2: A dedicated team.
25:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They task Sergeant Dennis Connery and Detective Daniel Crawford with
25:33
revisiting old case files that are ripe for modern forensic testing,
25:37
and they immediately prioritize Marrabeth Welsh and Jennifer Persia. Why
25:42
does forming a dedicated unit matter so much? Why couldn't
25:45
regular detectives just work on this?
25:47
Speaker 2: Because regular homicide detectives are drowning in the present. They
25:50
are responding to the shootings that happened last night, the
25:52
domestic violence calls from this morning.
25:54
Speaker 3: You just don't have the time exactly.
25:56
Speaker 2: Establishing a dedicated cold case unit is a massive, highly
26:00
intentional commitment of resources by a municipality. It means taking
26:04
experience investigators, pulling them off the act of rotation, and
26:08
giving them the luxury of time. They are given the
26:11
mandate to focus exclusively on the past, using the funding
26:14
and the tools of the.
26:15
Speaker 1: Present, and that investment pays off shockingly fast. In August
26:19
twenty twenty five, the unit sends Meribith Walsh's clothing back
26:23
to the New Jersey State Police Office of Forensic Sciences
26:26
for retesting. Now, let's think about this. This clothing has
26:29
been sitting in a dark, temperature controlled evidence locker since
26:32
November nineteen ninety three. Over thirty years.
26:36
Speaker 2: It's a long time for biological material.
26:38
Speaker 1: If you or I leave a shirt in the attic
26:40
for thirty years, it falls apart. How does a lab
26:43
extract a microscopic male DNA profile from strumtozo and blood
26:47
that is three decades old.
26:49
Speaker 2: Well, it speaks to the incredible resilience of cellular material
26:52
when it is properly preserved. If evidence is kept dry,
26:56
away from direct sunlight, and in a stable, cool environment,
27:00
the DNA inside the cells doesn't just vanish.
27:03
Speaker 1: It just kind of goes dormant.
27:04
Speaker 2: It might fragment, the strands might break down over time,
27:07
but the core genetic information remains locked inside the cellular structure.
27:12
Modern labs use advanced extraction techniques and processes like polymerase
27:16
chain reaction PCR, which essentially takes those tiny fragmented amounts
27:21
of DNA and photocopies them millions of times until there
27:24
is enough material to build a readable profile.
27:26
Speaker 1: So they extract this full male DNA profile from Marabet's clothing.
27:30
But here's the moment the entire case fractures wide open.
27:33
They take that male profile from the nineteen ninety three
27:35
Walsh case and they compare it to the DNA extracted
27:38
from the blood at the nineteen ninety four Jennifer Persia
27:40
crime scene, and it is a match.
27:42
Speaker 2: That single moment in the lab changes the entire architecture
27:46
of the investigation.
27:47
Speaker 1: It proves definitively for the very first time, that these
27:51
two wildly different crimes, the twenty four year old mother
27:55
whose body was dumped on a cammeden sidewalk and the
27:58
sixteen year old high schooler violently slaughtered in her Magnolia
28:02
living room, were committed by the exact same human being.
28:05
Speaker 2: Imagine the psychological impact of that realization on Sergeant Convury
28:10
and Detective Crawford. For thirty years, police thought they were
28:13
looking for two different phantoms in two different towns.
28:16
Speaker 1: Right, two completely separate investigations.
28:18
Speaker 2: Suddenly, the isolated tragedies collapse into a single narrative. They
28:23
realize they are hunting a serial offender who operated across jurisdictions,
28:27
who possess the terrifying ability to drastically alter his methodology,
28:32
and who likely lived right under their noses.
28:34
Speaker 1: But there is a catch. They have the match between
28:37
the two scenes, but CODIS still isn't giving them a name.
28:41
The killer is still a ghost in the national.
28:43
Speaker 2: Database because he was never swabbed exactly.
28:46
Speaker 1: So the detectives turned to the technology that has fundamentally
28:49
broken the true crime worldwide Open investigative genetic genealogy or IgG.
28:55
And here is where it gets really mind bending. I
28:58
want to explain this because I is often misunderstood. Let's
29:02
compare the process of IgG to reverse engineering a massive
29:07
river system.
29:07
Speaker 2: Oh I like this, walk us through the analogy.
29:09
Speaker 1: Okay, Imagine you are standing at the mouth of the
29:12
ocean and you cut your hands and pull out a
29:15
very unique drop of water. The unique drop of water
29:18
is the killer's DNA profile from the crime scene. In
29:21
the old days with COTIS, you just stood at the ocean,
29:23
held up the drop of water and shout it into
29:25
the void. Does anyone exactly match this.
29:28
Speaker 2: And if nobody answered, you went home.
29:30
Speaker 1: You were stuck, right, because you were only looking for
29:32
the exact origin point. But with IgG you don't need
29:35
the exact match. You take that unique drop of water
29:38
and you start hiking backward up the continent. You hike
29:40
up the main river looking for traces of it. Then
29:42
the river splits into dozens of tributaries, so you follow those.
29:46
Then the tributaries split into smaller streams and then into
29:49
tiny creeks all the way back up the mountain, and
29:51
then you finally locate the exact specific mountain spring that
29:55
the drop of water originated from.
29:57
Speaker 2: And in this forensic application, the tributary and streams are
30:01
the killer's distant relatives.
30:03
Speaker 1: Exactly. What the investigators do is take the crime scene
30:06
DNA and upload it to massive public genealogy databases. We
30:11
are talking about platforms like ged match or family Tree DNA,
30:15
places where everyday people voluntarily upload their twenty three and
30:18
meters or ancestry data to figure out if they have
30:20
Irish heritage or to find a long lost cousin.
30:23
Speaker 2: Right, it's public data.
30:24
Speaker 1: The police upload the killer's profile, but the software isn't
30:26
looking for the killer. It is looking for shared DNA.
30:30
It might find a third cousin or second cousin once removed,
30:33
who shares a specific amount of set of morgans, which
30:35
is the unit used to measure DNA shared between two people.
30:38
That distant cousin who pops up on the screen, that
30:41
is the tributary.
30:41
Speaker 2: It is essential to emphasize the rigor of this process.
30:45
It is not a magic trick. It is a profound,
30:48
grueling synthesis of advanced biology and painstaking historical research. Once
30:54
the genealogist identifies that third cousin, the biological portion of
30:58
the hunt is essentially a pause. Then what happens the
31:01
rest of the process is pure exhausting archival detective work.
31:06
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine the headache of doing this. If you
31:09
and I share a great great grandparent, we are third cousins.
31:12
Think about how many descendants a couple from the year
31:14
eighteen eighty has today.
31:15
Speaker 2: It's hundreds of people.
31:17
Speaker 1: The genealogists literally have to build massive family trees backward
31:21
from that third cousin they found in the database. They're
31:23
digging through microfiche, They're reading marriage certificates from the nineteen
31:26
fifties census records, from the nineteen forties birth announcements in
31:30
dusty local newspapers and modern social media posts. They build
31:33
this massive canopy of a family tree going back a century.
31:36
Speaker 2: And once they established that canopy, the common ancestors, they
31:40
have to trace every single branch back down toward the
31:43
present day. They are looking for a male living in
31:46
South Jersey in nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety four
31:49
who fits a rough age profile and who intersects with
31:53
the geography of the crimes.
31:54
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate process of elimination. You find a whole
31:57
branch of the family that moved to California in the
31:59
seven and stayed there, You prune that branch off the tree.
32:03
Speaker 2: You find a male relative who died in a car
32:04
crash in nineteen eighty five, you prune him.
32:07
Speaker 1: You slowly, methodically chop away at this massive family matrix
32:11
until only one lease is left hanging on the tree.
32:14
And in this incredibly complex matrix, the genealogists eventually prune
32:18
the family tree down to a single localized branch in
32:22
Mantua Township, New Jersey.
32:23
Speaker 2: And this is the moment where the abstract science violently
32:26
collides with human reality. The moment a suspect is named.
32:29
In a case like this, the entire lens of the
32:31
investigation shifts. You are no longer looking at Senta, Morgan's
32:35
and census data. You are looking at a man who lived, breathed,
32:38
and walked the same streets as the victim.
32:40
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the unmasking of the ghost, the
32:43
culmination of thirty two years of waiting, the linking of
32:46
the two cases, the grueling reverse engineering of the genetic river.
32:50
It all dumps out at the feet of one individual,
32:53
Francis T. Schooley.
32:55
Speaker 2: Let's look at who this guy was, right, who is
32:57
Frank Schooley.
32:58
Speaker 1: Frank Scooley was a resident of Manto to a township,
33:00
a blue collar area not far from Woodland or Magnolia.
33:03
He was born around nineteen sixty one. That would make
33:06
him roughly thirty two years old when he killed Marabeth
33:08
Welsh and thirty three when he murdered Jennifer Persia. But
33:12
Frank Scooley is never going to face a trial.
33:14
Speaker 2: Because Frank Scooley has been dead for twenty six years.
33:17
Speaker 1: He died by suicide in the year two thousand, at
33:19
the age of thirty.
33:20
Speaker 2: Nine, which is just a really complicated detail to process.
33:24
Speaker 1: Meaning he walked free for six years after murdering Jennifer
33:28
and seven years after murdering Marabeth. He lived his life,
33:31
He existed in the same geographic radius as the grieving families,
33:35
and he entirely evaded the justice system during his lifetime.
33:38
It's infuriating when investigators finally had his name in twenty
33:41
twenty six and started digging into his background. The red
33:44
flags were glaring. Court records showed he had a nineteen
33:48
eighty three conviction for sexual assault involving a minor. That
33:51
was ten years before he murdered Marabeth, so.
33:54
Speaker 2: He was already a known predator.
33:55
Speaker 1: He also had a nineteen ninety three drug offense. His
33:58
criminal history perfectly aligned with the volatile, predatory nature of
34:02
the crimes. But what truly sealed his fate were the
34:06
circumstantial connections that investigators uncovered.
34:09
Speaker 2: This is where the archival research merges with the physical
34:12
reality of the victims' lives. This is the chilling aha
34:15
moment about cold cases. We think of serial killers as
34:19
these mythical monsters hiding in the dark woods like boogeymen, right,
34:23
But Schooley proves that the most dangerous predators hide in
34:26
the mundane machinery of our daily lives exactly.
34:28
Speaker 1: Let's look at Jennifer Persha First, remember her stepfather's autoshop
34:33
Sterling Autoshop investigators found out that Frank Schooley had actually
34:37
done construction work at Jennifer's family home. He was a
34:39
contractor the exact same home where she was murdered, without
34:43
any signs of forced entry. Furthermore, he did construction work
34:47
at the Sterling auto shop itself. He was so embedded
34:50
in that community that he even co owned a mini
34:54
race car that was sponsored by that exact same shop.
34:56
Speaker 2: The camouflage isn't a mask. The camouflage is normalcy. The
35:00
web of the autoshop community suddenly tightens directly around the
35:04
victim and the suspect. It entirely answers the question of
35:07
familiarity that we debated earlier.
35:09
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense now why.
35:10
Speaker 2: Was there no forced entry? Because he knew the house.
35:14
He had been inside it to fix the drywall or
35:16
the plumbing. He likely knew the family's schedule. He was
35:19
a known entity, just a contractor, a guy from the
35:22
autoshop circle. If Jennifer saw him at the door, she
35:25
wouldn't immediately scream. She would think, Oh, it's Frank, the
35:28
guy who works.
35:28
Speaker 1: For my stepdad and his connection to Marribeth Welsh. It's
35:32
just as mundane and terrifying. A sibling of school he
35:36
was shown a photograph of Maribeth by investigators, and the
35:39
sibling confirmed that they had seen Frank Schooley and Marribeth
35:42
Welsh together prior to the murder.
35:44
Speaker 2: This raises a critical point about the nature of evidence
35:47
and how we perceive risk. If you look at those
35:50
connections in a vacuum, a guy doing construction at a
35:53
house or a guy being seen talking to a woman
35:55
at a local spot, it is entirely circumstantial.
35:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't mean anything on its own.
36:00
Speaker 2: It is the everyday interaction of a community. You can't
36:03
arrest a guy for murder just because he fixed the
36:05
victim's roof, right.
36:06
Speaker 1: Because otherwise every plumber in America would be in jail.
36:10
So how do they definitively close the track?
36:12
Speaker 2: The circumstantial evidence means nothing on its own. But when
36:16
those mundane interactions are suddenly backed by undeniable biological data,
36:21
when the DNA profile places his cellular material on the
36:24
bloody clothes at the scene of the violence. It instantly
36:27
transforms a passing acquaintance into a lethal predator.
36:30
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate proof.
36:32
Speaker 2: The DNA is the key that unlocks the sinister reality
36:35
of those passing interactions. To make it absolutely ironclad, the
36:39
investigators approached Schooli's living relatives. They asked for voluntary direct
36:43
DNA swabs to confirm what the genealogy database had suggested, and.
36:47
Speaker 1: The relatives complied. Those direct swabs locked in the match
36:50
with absolute mathematical certainty. By early twenty twenty six, the
36:54
prosecutor's office had established definitive probable cause. They stated clearly
36:59
that if Frank Schooley were alive today, he would be arrested, indicted,
37:03
and charged with both murders. Case closed, But I keep
37:06
pondering the timeline of his death. Frank Schooley hides in
37:09
plain sight for years, and then, at age thirty nine,
37:12
he dies by suicide. Does his suicide in two thousand
37:16
suggest a man who felt the walls of his own
37:19
guilt closing in. Was the paranoia of a knock at
37:22
the door eating him alive? Or was he entirely unbothered
37:25
by his monstrous acts and his death was completely unrelated
37:29
to his crimes.
37:30
Speaker 2: We will never know. And for the families, that lack
37:32
of a courtroom confrontation, the inability to look him in
37:35
the eye, force him to hear the impact of his
37:36
actions and demand answers is a deeply bittersweet reality.
37:40
Speaker 1: It has to be frustrating.
37:41
Speaker 2: They finally have the who, which ends the terror of
37:43
the unknown, but they are permanently denied the why they
37:46
are denied the confession.
37:47
Speaker 1: But the identification itself, even without a trial, sends a
37:52
shock wave far beyond South Jersey, which brings us to
37:56
the broader landscape of what this case represents. This isn't
38:01
just a story about Frank Scooley being caught. This is
38:03
a story about the democratization of justice.
38:05
Speaker 2: The application of investigative genetic genealogy has completely rewritten the
38:09
rule book on cold case investigations. Globally, we are living
38:13
through a renaissance of accountability.
38:16
Speaker 1: Let's look at the sheer scale of this. Since the
38:18
incredible arrest of the Golden State Killer in twenty eighteen,
38:21
which was really the watershed moment where the public learned
38:24
that police were using genealogy databases, over five hundred cold
38:28
cases have been resolved using this technology.
38:30
Speaker 2: Five hundred ghosts pulled back into the light.
38:32
Speaker 1: We're talking about massive partnerships between local law enforcement and
38:36
private genetic labs like Authrum or Parabon nanolabs who specialize
38:41
in processing this degraded, decades old trace DNA.
38:44
Speaker 2: The presidents set in the last few years are staggering.
38:47
The source text mentions cases that seemed hopelessly lost, the
38:50
yogurt shot murders which haunted Austin, Texas and were finally
38:53
resolved after thirty four years, or the devastating nineteen seventy
38:57
four murder of Carla Walker in Tech which was solved
39:01
after forty six years. These aren't just statistics on a
39:04
police whiteboard. These are profound, generational communal wounds being healed
39:09
by the application of science.
39:11
Speaker 1: So here is the specific inside I want to highlight.
39:13
When the Golden State Killer was caught, it was massive,
39:16
front page national news. He was an infamous, prolific serial
39:19
killer who terrorized the entire state of California. It made
39:23
perfect sense that millions of dollars in years of high
39:26
level FBI resources were poured into finding.
39:28
Speaker 2: Him because of the scale of his crimes.
39:30
Speaker 1: Exactly, But what the Marbeth Welsh and Jennifer Persia cases
39:34
show us is that this miraculous technology is no longer
39:37
reserved just for the famous monsters. It is fighting for
39:40
everyday people. A twenty four year old mom struggling in Woodland,
39:43
a sixteen year old band student in Magnolia. These massive
39:47
forensic tools the power to reverse engineer human history are
39:50
fighting for them too.
39:52
Speaker 2: That is the most crucial takeaway for local governance. The
39:56
finitial and structural investment in local cold case units like
39:59
the formed in Camden County proves that municipalities are recognizing
40:03
the value of these tools.
40:05
Speaker 1: It's about putting the money where the mouth is.
40:08
Speaker 2: Having the technology exist in a lab is one thing.
40:10
Allocating the funding, paying the genealogists and giving detectives the
40:14
time to actually use it on forgotten local cases is
40:17
where the true societal impact lies. Communities are proving that
40:21
they refuse to let the passage of time grant amnesty
40:25
to a killer.
40:26
Speaker 1: And if you, the listener or your parents have ever
40:29
spit into a tube to find out what percentage Irish
40:32
you are, or to build your own family tree on
40:34
a public database, you are actually contributing to the very
40:36
web that police use to catch this guy.
40:39
Speaker 2: It's a crowdsourced solution in a way, it is.
40:41
Speaker 1: A collective societal net catching these predators. The reaction from
40:46
the community in South Jersey perfectly captures the emotional weight
40:49
of this net. Closing Prosecutor Grace McCauley spoke about hoping
40:52
this offers a measure of justice. Magnolia Mayor Betty Anne
40:55
calling Carson declared a closure for her family and for
40:58
the community.
40:59
Speaker 2: Even when the seasoned investigators felt the profound weight of it.
41:03
Sergeant Convrey admitted that the case deeply touched him, and
41:06
Daniel Welsh, Marabeth's husband, summed up the shock of an
41:09
entire generation when he said, we never expected to hear anything,
41:13
and now, all of a sudden to have the answers.
41:15
Speaker 1: I can't imagine getting that phone call.
41:16
Speaker 2: It is the sudden, jarring return of truth after decades
41:19
of silence. It forces us to completely redefine our lexicon.
41:23
What is a cold case. A case isn't cold because
41:26
the evidence disappeared or the truth vanished. It is only
41:29
cold because our tools haven't caught up to the evidence yet.
41:31
Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this incredible,
41:34
exhausting arc. Let's briefly recap what we've walked through today.
41:38
We started with two baffling, deeply tragic crime scenes, the
41:42
bizarre dry clothing of Marabeth Welsh resting on a soaked
41:46
canned in sidewalk in November nineteen ninety three, and the hyperviolent,
41:50
terrifyingly intimate horror inside Jennifer Persh's Magnolia living room in
41:55
April nineteen ninety four. We journeyed through thirty two years
41:58
of agonizing silence, where or police hit wall after wall,
42:01
restricted by the technological blindfolds of the era, while families
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were left in an unbearable.
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Speaker 3: Limbo such a long wait, and.
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Speaker 1: Finally we witnessed the ultimate triumph of genetic genealogy, the
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reverse engineering of a microscopic drop of DNA that finally
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definitively unmasked the banal, everyday evil of Frank Scooley in
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twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: The historical scope of that journey is just breathtaking, but
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it leaves me with one final haunting concept that I
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think is essential to mall over. It is the concept
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of silent evidence.
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Speaker 3: Silent evidence think about the.
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Speaker 2: Biological material left on Marabeth's clothing and the blood left
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on the door in Jennifer's home. It sat quietly in dark,
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temperature controlled evidence lockers for over three decades. It didn't decay,
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it didn't evaporate into nothingness.
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Speaker 3: It just waited that kiss me chills.
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Speaker 2: It waited patiently for humanity to invent the technology to
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learn the genetic language required to read it. I want
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you to imagine what other invisible truths are sitting in
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thousands of cardboard evidence boxes right now across the world,
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just waiting for tomorrow's technology to finally give them a voice.
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Speaker 1: That is an incredibly powerful thought. The evidence isn't lost,
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It is just waiting for us to learn how to listen.
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Want to thank you the listener for joining us on
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this deep dive. We started by talking about time as
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the enemy, but what we've learned today is that if
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you hold on long enough, if the evidence is preserved,
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and if the scientific curiosity of a community remains relentless,
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time eventually becomes the very thing that delivers the truth.
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Keep asking questions, keep looking past the obvious, and never
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assume that a cold trail is a dead end. We
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will see you on the next deep dive.