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That’s It…? | MAFIA II | Part 5 · Replay Reviews

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In this episode, what the hell are those tigers?
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Are we fighting or are we playing Marco Polo?
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And why'd she add a spin to that dive? Unnecessary.
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It's still funny even today. I know, I'm just
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thinking about it. We'll add it in. Thank you
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for coming back from our replay reviews. My name
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is Leah. And my name is Kathy. We are two friends
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who are here to replay, review, and analyze your
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favorite video games. And since Kathy has never
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seen the games before, it helps me view them
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through her fresh eyes, almost like I'm discovering
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them again for the first time. We hope it will
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be a similar experience for you. So, scene one.
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With their operation compromised, Vito, Joe,
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and Henry scramble to clean up their mess, but
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things quickly go wrong. So it's chapter 13,
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Exit the Dragon. We're at Joe's apartment, September
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24th, 1951. It's only been two days since they
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sold off the drugs. My first note is straight
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away, ass. Yeah. Yeah. And then my note is, right
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after that, is they're inviting Vito to join
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them in the bathroom. But you're not allowed
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to go in there, but why the invite? I tried.
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What's with the invitation and the lockout, Joe?
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Anyway, Vito answers a phone call. It's Henry.
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He says that Falcone found out about the drug
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deal and wants his cut, 60 grand. So they don't
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have enough left to pay Bruno the loan shark
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back. Then Henry says to meet him at the park
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to figure things out. Can we pause and talk about
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how Vito picks up the phone and answers it? Again.
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At least it wasn't his mother on the line this
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time. Yeah. And while he's on the phone, that's
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when we notice there are tiger -faced cushions
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by the front door of Joe's apartment. Uh -huh.
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But, like, not clip art. Real tiger. Pasted on
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a cushion. It's so uncanny. Jarring. I don't
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want to sit on it, that's for sure. Vito asks
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if Falcone knows that they were involved, and
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Harry says, I don't think so. I don't know if
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I believe that. So he and Joe arrive at the park
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to find Henry being attacked by Mr. Wong's men.
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Henry's dead. The money's gone. He's not just
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dead. He is slashed to death. That was so violent
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and so unnecessary and caught me off guard. And
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right before that, what also caught me off guard
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was Vito's stupid run. He's clearly never really
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ran effectively in his life. That's why he got
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caught by the police. Truly. Twice. I don't know
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if we should wait to do a so long for Henry because
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we're going to learn more about his character.
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Do you want to do it now? Well, I guess we'll
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shortly know some more information. Maybe at
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the end of the scene. We'll do it soon. Yeah.
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In the meantime, so long, Henry. My first question
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is, why did they give chase after these men instead
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of rushing Henry to the hospital? We don't know
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if Henry was actually dead and there could have
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been a fighting chance. Like this just, you saw
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this just happen. Why wouldn't you try? Why didn't
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they ask Henry of more questions like who did
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this to you? Or what kind of information do I
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need to know next? Or how can I avenge your death?
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Instead, they chase after Wong's car and tail
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him to his restaurant where they decide to go
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on guns blazing thanks to Joe. Vito really needs
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to stay away from Joe at this point. So they're
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trying to fight their way to Wong's office and...
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I'm pretty sure, I think it's at 7 minutes 28
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seconds, one of the tongs says, Come on, Marco
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Polo. Which is hilarious to me. I didn't catch
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that, but I like how it bounces out from some
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of the racial slurs we heard previous, which
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I took offense to, and I usually don't take offense
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as easily. Yeah, it's just been an unnecessary
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amount. Just like the freaking lady in Joe's
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apartment. They do fight their way to Wong's
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office where they demand to know why Henry was
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killed. Then we learn that Henry was a government
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informant, like a rat, I guess they would say.
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I think he worked with narcotics. So it's like,
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okay, this is kind of like Tommy in the first
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game. Yeah. It doesn't make sense the way he
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approached the situation where he's just trying
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to get money and he's selling more dope, which
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shouldn't that be against everything you're doing?
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He wouldn't have been so happy to sell drugs
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with Vito and Joe. Are they sure that he really
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is working with the government? I hear what you're
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saying. My feeling is that he started out as
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an informant because if we go back to that scene
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where he was like, I'm here because of the war.
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Basically, my father told me to work for Clemente.
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And Vito's like, why is your English so good?
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So I think that's just his cover story. And so
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he came in as an undercover cop. And he's dealing
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the drugs just to, I would say, figure out the
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channels, the pathways, so that they can then
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shut them down. That makes sense with the why
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his English, because we are always wondering
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why. Okay, I didn't even put two and two together.
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I was just thinking that I don't think Henry
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would be so happy to be recruiting people to
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be spreading more drugs out there. But I guess
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during that period of time, it makes sense. And
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it makes more sense why he paid Vito immediately
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after that one job, all these things. I think
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he's just trying to get people on his side, comfortable
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with him. Maybe I'm just too rose -tinted glasses
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that he truly is friends with Vito and Joe, maybe?
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He could be. Those montage scenes, he was way
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too happy to be part of the gang. And I'm kind
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of surprised that Vito and Joe weren't more angry
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that he was a rat. I think it could be both.
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I think he could like them and even like doing
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this. But he knows where his loyalties have to
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lie. But yeah, Vito and Joe don't believe it.
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Which leads to more conversation where Wong says
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that they weren't responsible for the earlier
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stick up. He says, why would we take such a stupid
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risk and destroy our own factory? I can't think
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of the phrase, but it's like when you fart and
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you'd be like, who farted? Like you bring your
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own place just to make yourself look not guilty.
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Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I believe
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Wong. But it won't matter soon because he refuses
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to tell them where the money is and Joe just
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kills him. Vito's not too happy again. And then
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there's no way, they just lose the cops by running
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around the corner. This is the same cops who
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were immediately there and on you during the
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robbery. They're the same ones that shout at
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us whenever they get eyes on Vito. Suspect is
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about six feet tall, dark hair, medium build.
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Okay, so they go back to Joe's and they rehash
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their position. Henry's dead, the money's gone,
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and the Tongs will think Falcone sanctioned their
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attack, which equals... War. And they still don't
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want to believe Henry was a rat. Why are they
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always struggling with money? I don't know. Because
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they're stupid. I don't know. Like, maybe if
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Joe wouldn't have spent it on those stupid tiger
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cushions, he would have some money. And the rest
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of his remodel. Don't forget about the flamingos
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in the background. Oh my god, yeah. Chapter 14,
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Stairway to Heaven. Oyster Bay, September 25th,
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1951. So it's the next day. Joe calls Vito to
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get his butt in gear. They need to figure out
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how to get 55 grand for Bruno, and Joe says he's
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got a high -paying job from Eddie. They meet
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up, and he tells Vito more about it. He says,
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we're just going to drive there, pop some guy,
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drive away. Simple. Is it ever simple? Has it
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once been simple? Joe's simple. That's what it
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is. He says, then, that Eddie says it's a favor
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for some family from another city. Unfinished
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business. Ratted them out to the feds. Says here
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they want to give us a message before we do it.
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So then the conversation shifts towards yesterday.
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Not mentioning it to Eddie. Seems like they maybe
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have skated under the radar. And then we arrive
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at the location of the hit. And it's a little
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familiar. How are you doing, Kathy? I'm like,
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at this point, like, wait a second. Wait a second.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. That's my reaction at
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this point. I'm still in a bit disbelief that
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I didn't connect it from Mafia 1, that end scene
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that was like, oh my god, where Tommy gets shot
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by two people. Never made the connection in all
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this time that the two guys we saw from the previous
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game, now I know their names, and it is Vito
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and Joe. Who would have thought this is the overlap?
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This is the connection. I have so many questions
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how Eddie knows Salieri and his guys. I did not
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expect this to be happening, and I wish we got
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a... We need to set up a mic when we watch this
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because I was in shock. These last three chapters
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just keep throwing things at us. Huge things.
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I honestly, I love this connection. The problem
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for me is that I already don't really care about
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Vito and I hate Joe. So this just doesn't help.
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It'd be so much better if they gave us reasons
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to like Vito and Joe and then they kill Tommy
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and then we're like disappointed and shocked.
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exactly there was nothing redeeming about them
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but even if there were this really would have
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said dude i don't like you anymore and we already
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don't like them so this is making me kind of
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like not hate them but yeah it kind of makes
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me confirm that they're never going to be mother
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respecters in my eye because i respected tommy
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and they they killed him without asking questions
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when you bring up a valid point because they're
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like not wanting to believe that henry was working
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with the feds But then on the drive to kill Tommy,
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they're like, what'd this guy do? Oh, he ran
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it out to the feds. And Rita was like, well,
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then he f***ing deserved it. But he could be
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Henry to someone else, you know? It's like, how
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come Henry, you don't want to believe it, but
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this guy, you just believe it instantly to the
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point of killing him. Irish federal agent guy
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that Tommy was talking to, I forget his name.
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He kept his word because Tommy was under government
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protection. We see them get chased off by the
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feds, so. I like that. I like knowing that they
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held up their end of the deal. They failed here,
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but at least Tommy had a lot longer and happier
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life than he could have. But I do wish we got
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more interactions with the Fed. It's very one
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-sided within Mafia Triad and the Irish. We know
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the Fed's one big player in this game. We'll
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see it in the next scenes. I just wish we got
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more of that side so we understand. Mafia 1 did
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it well because we did have some of those interactions
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when Tommy's going through his life story. But
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had there been more of that and maybe we see
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more of what Henry was doing on the side and
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it could still have Vito as the main character.
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I just wanted more. After dropping off Joe, Vito
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heads to the port to see if Derek has any work.
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He tells him that Frank's organizing a sit down
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with the other bosses and took almost all of
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his guys as bodyguards. So he needs Vito's help
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in discouraging a strike at the port. Does not
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go as planned. One of the workers recognizes
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Vito's name and had known his father. And they
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tell Vito that Derek killed his father. At which
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point Vito aims his gun at Derek. And then Steve
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just like straight up admits to drowning him
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more or less, right? Yeah. What the hell? Why
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does Vito care? Vito obviously didn't respect
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his parents at all. And he knew that his dad
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was taking a lot of debt and he didn't care for
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him. He didn't really respect him. All of a sudden,
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the game wants us to be like, he's such a great
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son. No, he's not. He didn't care about his mom.
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Right. He didn't care. I don't think he liked
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his dad. Exactly. And that's kind of what I feel
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like what pushed him into going into the mafia
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was to not be like him. And maybe now he's realizing,
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oh, the people like me are the people that kill
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my father and other people's fathers. So I understand
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him being upset, but I don't think that he would
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have come to that understanding so immediately.
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And then Derek says, you took an oath. Loyalty
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to the family is greater than loyalty to our
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own families. Vito has been living up to that
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until this point. So like you said, I just don't
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understand. And then Derek dies very anticlimatically.
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Yeah. I missed it. We were chatting and I missed
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his death. And we're like, wait a second, did
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he die? That's how... Amazing, it was. We need
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to watch it because I have a note and I don't
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know what it's in reference to, but for some
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reason I can't open a new tab on my Chrome right
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now, so you have to pull it up. I'll pull it
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up. It should be about, I don't know, maybe like
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35, 36 minutes? 35, okay. Okay, so that's the
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line I was thinking about when he says, I'd spent
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my whole life trying not to make the same mistakes
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my old man did. Then I find out I'm following
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in his footsteps. How? Calm down. I don't remember
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your father murdering a mafia port owner guy.
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More so than that, too. It's that Vito has been
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consistently murdering people without asking
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too many questions, and his dad wasn't going
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around shooting, killing people. Do you just
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want to be different, or do you want to be a
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better person? Because you're not doing the second
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one of those things. Vito is way too dramatic.
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He quickly moves on from this realization about
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his father when he steals money from Derek's
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desk. Do we need to do this so long for Derek?
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All I have is that he eats a lot. He seems kind
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of shitty. Mother f***ing about him. Nothing
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redeeming. Quick one. Vito then earns the rest
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of the money by bringing cars to Brewski in the
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junkyard and then heads to Joe's. But after checking
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in a few times, Vito is unable to find him. I
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immediately went to Joe's dead. Yeah, same. He's
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gone. Or he took the money and ran. I wish that
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that is what happened. He's waiting for the other
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shoe to drop. I'd rather have that happen, honestly.
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Instead, six hours later, there's still no sign
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of Joe. So Vito heads to the Falcon to see if
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he's with Eddie. In this conversation with Eddie,
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he has to pretend he has no idea about Henry.
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And then it sounds like the Tongs are threatening
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Vinci and will likely move on to Falcone due
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to the massacre carried out by we -know -who.
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I don't understand how Vito can get away with
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so many things in this game so far, even up through
15:06
here. Bringing in the rat, but then not being
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held accountable for it. Because he vouched for
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him. Eddie should have killed Vito at that point.
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The game should have ended there, in my opinion.
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I want to like him, but I can't. Is this one
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of our most disliked characters, like main characters
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so far? I'm trying to think back to. I think
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so. And we'll come back to it because, yeah,
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we'll come back to it at the end of the game.
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They're making it hard for me to relate to Vito
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right now. Next, Vito heads to Giuseppe's on
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the hunt for Joe. He tells Vito that Joe is here,
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but some of Vinci's guys came and took him away.
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Mr. Vinci wanted a word with him. Vito arrives
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at Vinci's bar and promptly gets knocked out.
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He then wakes up to find himself tied up next
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to Joe. And then Vinci approaches and he's talking
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about all the stuff that's gone down and says
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that the city's out of control. He's getting
15:58
threatened. And he just wants them to tell him
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what's going on. But lucky for them, after getting
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tortured a tad, they're able to break free and
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manage to escape. And Vito takes Joe to El Greco
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because I think he has broken ribs or something.
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And I think... Is this where the lady jumps out
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of the way? Yes. Yes. I had... Okay, before that,
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there's a delete screen when you hit a red car
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and then you yank the woman out and then... And
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then one scene over, you run over another woman
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with your car. I know. And then I push her. But
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she dives into a wall and then does like a corkscrew
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barrel roll. Like, what? What is she doing? It's
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hilarious. It's so dramatic. We laughed. We had
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to go back and rewatch it and we laughed way
16:48
too hard at it. It was really funny for some
16:50
reason. It's still funny today. The fact that
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I'm trying to tamper down my giggles right now.
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So he heads to deliver the money to Bruno, Vito
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does. The exchange goes well, and then Bruno
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asks him his name. And first of all, I don't
17:09
understand why Vito just gives his name to people
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like this. First and last. Secondly, to our point
17:14
that you made earlier, I don't understand why
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Vito suddenly seems to not hate his father anymore.
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Because we learn here that Bruno is the loan
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shark that had him in debt. And why do you need
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to give your name out to someone? So my issue
17:26
with that is that he probably feels like he's
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finally made it up high enough in the mafia chain
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of command that he can give out his name and
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people are afraid of him. But it's not that situation.
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He's not that memorable. And I don't understand
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also why he's feeling so made of honor. That's
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how I feel like he's feeling right now. And I
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don't like it. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't
17:54
make sense at all, but what Bruno says makes
17:55
sense. He says, I didn't make him borrow that
17:58
money now, did I? Just like I didn't make you.
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I like Bruno for that. I don't like what he does,
18:03
but I kind of like how he pushes Vito and tells
18:07
him that, get off your high horse. Are we ready
18:11
for the final chapter of the game? Mm -hmm. Chapter
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15. Per Aspera Ad Astra. I did Google it. I found
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that it means either to the stars through difficulties
18:22
or through the roughness of the road to the stars,
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which fits because we go to a planetarium or
18:29
something. So stupid, but okay. Yeah, okay. So
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we're in Oyster Bay the next day, the 26th of
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September, 1951. We start with some Vito voiceover,
18:38
which is a change. He says, The truth is going
18:41
to come out sooner or later. And then we were
18:43
going to have Falcone after us along with the
18:45
Chinese and Vinci. And whose fault is that? I
18:50
don't understand how he's never done any self
18:52
-reflection, be like, this is my fault. And did
18:56
he rescue his photo album before he jumped out
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the window of his burning house? Yeah, that made
19:02
no sense, too, now that you say that. How did
19:05
he have that? Maybe there's something left after
19:08
the fire, I don't know. But I would like to know
19:10
how that photo book is there. So Vito then gets
19:14
a call from Eddie, who says that Falcone wants
19:16
to see him at the planetarium. on his way out
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a car stops him and inside we see leo so i guess
19:22
he didn't leave who says just get in the damn
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car now and then he explains half our guys are
19:27
dead half of mr chu's guys are dead who is in
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the car with them and now the feds are breathing
19:32
down everybody's necks because of you if it wasn't
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for me you would have already been taken care
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of so you're gonna listen to what i have to say
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and you're gonna listen good he confirms that
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henry was working with the feds And that's why
19:47
they're so hot and bothered. And then Leo says,
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but I don't forget my friends. I called in a
19:51
few favors. Got you one more chance to make this
19:54
right. And tells him he needs to get rid of Falcone.
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Otherwise, everyone wants Vito dead. One quick
20:00
question. I don't understand how getting rid
20:01
of Falcone is going to solve any of their issues.
20:03
You know what I mean? Like, what if Falcone's
20:05
loyal men want to seek vengeance? I don't understand
20:09
how killing one person is going to solve all
20:12
their problems. Vito shoots his way. To Falcone
20:16
at the planetarium. And Falcone says, this is
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who they send, this is an insult. You really
20:21
think they're just going to let you walk after
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everything you did? Fair question. What's going
20:29
to happen to Leo after he reveals that he's not
20:32
dead? I mean, yes, Henry didn't do his job, but
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does no one else check each other's work? Isn't
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that going to get more people in trouble? And
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isn't that going to be putting another target
20:41
on Leo's back? Well, I think he's okay because
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it was Falcone that wanted him dead. Okay. So
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I think if Falcone's the one we're taking out,
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then no one has an issue with Leo being alive.
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Okay. That's how I see it. Then Joe comes out
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of nowhere and puts a gun to Vito's head. What
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do we think? I wasn't surprised because this
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entire time I've been waiting for the other shoe
21:08
to drop that Joe turns on Vito. What was... surprising
21:13
was that joe doesn't turn on veto and they keep
21:17
their bromance thing and i think this is at this
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point i realize this game really wants us to
21:22
feel like it's joe and veto bromance forevers
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forevers forever which is similar to tommy and
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the two other guys which already forgot their
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names but it doesn't work i just yeah it doesn't
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it doesn't work The fact that I'm surprised that
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Joe would be loyal is a pretty big indicator
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how we see him interact with Vito throughout
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this entire game. I wanted Vito to turn on Joe.
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That's what I wanted. Because how many shitty
21:53
situations has Joe put him into? That would have
21:56
felt so good. And I would have been like, finally,
21:58
Vito. You're saying things clearly. You're not
22:01
being stupid. But no, he's listening to Falcone
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who says, they're using you, Vito. Just like
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Clemente used you. Just like I used you. Just
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like that rat f*** Henry used you. You vouched
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for that piece of s***, brought him into my house,
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and now, you dumb f***, you're gonna pay for
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it. And this is where he commands Joe to kill
22:20
Vito, but instead, they turn on Falcone. I think
22:24
it's dumb. Joe sucks. Like you said, I'd rather
22:28
he did betray Vito, because then I might feel
22:30
a little bit bad for Vito, and I might like him
22:32
a little bit more. I feel like they're trying
22:34
to have us respect Joe a bit more, but that didn't
22:37
happen. No. I don't mean to bash this game so
22:41
much, but the way the storytelling and what Vito
22:45
does, not good. It's just these two characters.
22:48
I just don't understand what they're... I don't
22:50
understand what they want from us with these
22:53
two characters, you know? But anyway, they kill
22:56
him. Vito has, I think it's kind of cringey,
22:59
his little, I killed for my family. I killed
23:03
for my country. But this one is for me. One question.
23:10
Why does he hate Falcone so much? You screwed
23:13
up, Vito. What do you expect? Of course he's
23:17
gonna want you dead. He has killed for himself
23:20
to further himself up the chain in the mafia
23:23
business, so how's this for himself? I don't
23:28
know. How's this for Leo? Just like... Him killing
23:30
Tommy is for Eddie. Him killing everyone else
23:33
for themselves. Even him killing Derek was for
23:35
his dad. So stop pretending like this is for
23:40
yourself and you're happy to do it. And maybe
23:43
we're missing something that Falcone did, but
23:44
I just don't understand the hate. You should
23:46
have expected him to want to kill you after everything
23:48
you've done. Leo did say this is your last chance.
23:52
So this is not for yourself in that way. This
23:55
is... You're doing it because Leo told you to
23:57
be a good boy and kill the guy. That's true.
24:00
He did tell him to do it very sternly. Shut up,
24:03
Vito. What are you even saying? Oh, gosh. Well,
24:06
do we need to do this so long for Falcone? I
24:08
mean, I don't feel like we know him that well,
24:10
but. I didn't. I don't feel right to. Yeah. To
24:14
say something. I mean, I would say mother. But
24:18
it seems like everyone in the mafia is doing
24:20
the drug stuff. So it seems pretty standard for
24:24
them. Yeah. mother maybe mother neutral who knows
24:27
yeah do we need to go back to henry now that
24:30
we have all the information about him do so long
24:32
i struggle with this because present day i think
24:39
he would be a mother because no matter what i
24:41
even if you're trying to prevent the spread of
24:44
drugs i can't be okay with you spreading more
24:47
drugs to stop something but in this in the context
24:51
of this game where everyone is is doing drugs
24:55
and that's your standard baseline i think he
24:57
would be a bit over mother neutral into the mother
25:01
respecter category there's something about him
25:03
that i like more than veto but i can't pinpoint
25:05
what it is that i like more about him than veto
25:09
maybe it's that he let leo live and maybe that
25:13
was because of his federal background i can't
25:17
pinpoint what it is i don't know if you were
25:18
able to identify exactly why he's a professional
25:23
Yeah. He does what he's asked for two jobs, I
25:28
think. I mean, I kind of get your point about
25:30
spreading drugs, but I think he more stepped
25:33
in where someone else would have. And you kind
25:37
of have to follow the path to know where it goes.
25:41
And so I think that that is what would try to
25:44
justify that. On the mafia side of things, he
25:48
seems pretty loyal. He does what he's asked.
25:51
He's good to Vito and Joe. I just feel like he's
25:53
a professional. He's good at what he does. Yeah,
25:57
that's the thing. I think you nailed it. He's
25:59
professional without screwing things over and
26:02
causing bigger issues. Mm -hmm. And of all the
26:05
people that have jumped family lines, he had
26:08
a reason. I'm afraid to die because you're going
26:11
to kill me, so I'm going to join you. That makes
26:13
sense. And as a cop, it also makes sense because
26:15
it's like, this is the perfect opportunity for
26:17
me to now go in here and infiltrate this family.
26:20
Why did everyone else... jump ship all the time
26:23
i just think he was better than anyone else yeah
26:25
he had a brain on him i think that's that that
26:28
he had a brain and he was using it so i think
26:32
for me he has to be a mother respecter especially
26:34
in the context of this game so if you do and
26:37
joe leave best of friends and leo and friends
26:41
are waiting for them they say we're going to
26:44
the cat house why at a time like this But Leo
26:48
needs to talk to Vito, so the rest of them take
26:51
a different car. At some point, the car with
26:53
Joe takes a turn. Vito looks at Leo like, huh?
26:58
And then he says, Joe wasn't part of our deal.
27:06
That's so accurate with how I picture Vito doing.
27:13
I was not expecting that. but he says joe wasn't
27:20
part of our deal do we need to do so long for
27:23
joe i'm feeling it's pretty pretty likely he's
27:26
dead without seeing joe dead there's a chance
27:30
that they're in mafia 3 be like hold up you know
27:33
we're missing a villain let's bring in joe so
27:36
yeah i don't know i'm comfortable saying that
27:38
he's dead if he was mother With a tiny bit of
27:43
maybe, like, mother neutral for not turning on
27:46
Vito. Yeah. But predominantly mother, especially
27:50
how he treats women. I need our listeners to
27:56
know, during this entire last 30 seconds, one
27:59
minute of this game, the entire conversation
28:02
happening in your apartment is me going, what
28:04
do you mean? And you're like, but wait. And I'm
28:07
like, but what do you mean? It's over. That's
28:10
how it ends. I don't understand. I didn't see
28:14
like the red bar at the bottom of the video to
28:17
see when the video ends. I was not expecting.
28:20
I was like, what do you mean? Yeah, there should
28:23
be something else. How can it end like that?
28:27
So this is where. Okay. Here are my closing thoughts
28:31
for now. Ending is a bit weak for me. Feels kind
28:35
of sudden. Feels kind of rushed. And this is
28:37
why this ending is why the only way that I would
28:40
like Vito as a character is if this game sets
28:43
him up to be a villain in the next game, which
28:46
I know nothing about. Because he's been through
28:48
a lot of conditioning, mental and physical, to
28:51
make him a good villain. And he has reasons to
28:54
be angry now, especially if they take Joey to
28:56
kill him. And so I feel like that's the only
28:59
way to justify these characters and this abrupt
29:02
ending is if this leads into Vito becoming a
29:05
villain. Because I would love to see him as a
29:07
villain. He's already kind of the bad guy for
29:09
killing Tommy. If that's the case, I want to
29:11
add that maybe one of Tommy's kids or grandkids
29:15
become the person who's our main lead and tries
29:18
to take down Vito. I would like to see that happening.
29:22
At the same time, I'm kind of done seeing Vito.
29:24
I don't even want to see him as a villain. I
29:26
don't care for him. I don't really like his thought
29:28
process, so I don't know how well I would...
29:31
appreciate him being a villain yeah the way i
29:33
see it is like he would snap after this and so
29:36
we wouldn't be seeing the like poor decision
29:39
making it would just be like he's let loose and
29:41
now he's basically just like evil okay so it'd
29:45
be a different veto because he's snapped i wish
29:49
we had more conclusion on joe i don't like implying
29:52
that he's dead but not confirmed i just i feel
29:56
like there could be so many things happening
29:58
within the next minute That they shouldn't have
30:01
closed it here. They already made us think Joe
30:03
was dead earlier, so I don't know. Who knows
30:07
what the third game will be like, but I kind
30:09
of hope they killed him, and I kind of hope Vito
30:11
becomes a villain. I kind of wish that Vito and
30:15
Joe died in the end. Maybe they kill Falcone
30:19
too, but they don't make it out alive. Yeah.
30:23
I want to be the cop in the next game. I want
30:26
to be the undercover fed in the next game. I
30:29
want to... be on the other side because i'm kind
30:31
of sick of the video games of killing police
30:33
and making the police look bad people i want
30:35
to see their perspective veto is unlikable enough
30:40
that we'd be okay with being another player killing
30:44
him yeah in the sense of law enforcement and
30:48
whatnot i don't feel anything for this game and
30:51
that's i even felt more about how things ended
30:57
and maybe some lasting effects from previous
31:00
games even like the impatient or outlast it made
31:03
me think about the ending and it bothered me
31:07
for a few days because i'm like just thinking
31:09
about it and thinking through like what happened
31:11
what it is what yeah go on in the next game if
31:15
there was but this game like okay whatever i
31:19
guess it's over yeah so different than red dead
31:23
redemption like our thoughts and our emotions
31:27
about the end of the game that's what happens
31:29
when you give us an emotional character that
31:32
we can connect to versus a stupid trashy bad
31:37
boy yeah it's pretty upsetting to me that i feel
31:42
like i wasted a lot of our time with this game
31:47
like not not in the sense that i like what we
31:49
do in the sense that if i was the person playing
31:52
this game and I played it, I'd be like, what
31:54
a waste of 10 hours. The whole rest of the game
31:57
would feel better if we liked Vito. Like, they
31:59
just really dropped the ball on the character
32:01
here. They made him too unlikable. Give him some
32:05
more reasonings for doing what he does, at least.
32:08
Exactly. And what should have happened was we
32:10
should have been Henry. The fact that we like
32:13
Henry the most. Yeah. Not a good sign. That's
32:19
the only character that has... a struggle for
32:22
where he is and we don't even find out about
32:24
that struggle until the end of the game. I don't
32:26
even have words. No. I'm excited to see what
32:30
the next game is though because I mean they did
32:33
that right because I need some answers about
32:35
Vito. So they at least are making me want to
32:38
play the third game. I think we've got a lot
32:42
of processing to do before we record this summary.
32:47
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