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Chuck & Buck 12-26: Hugh Millen's X's and O's, Mike Sando and one last thing! · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Nive o'clock hour here on a football Friday, Chuck Powell
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  Speaker 1: and Ashley Ryan with you is we head into the
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  Speaker 1: stretch drive here on this Friday. Mike Sander will be
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  Speaker 1: joining us later on this hour. We'll do one last
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  Speaker 1: thing to close out the week. Joining us now though
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  Speaker 1: the staple of our Friday nine o'clock hour it is
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  Speaker 1: x's and o's with our QB one Hugh Millon.
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  Speaker 2: Merry Christmas here, Merry Christmas. Good to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: How was it? How did everything go? Did you get
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  Speaker 2: a choo choo train? Did you get the everything I wanted? Figured?
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  Speaker 3: Adult sons were home from the East Coast, both of them,
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  Speaker 3: and and had some friends also, So yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was wonderful, Okay, very good at that point. You know,
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  Speaker 3: at some point, just the presence of your kids is
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  Speaker 3: all you need?
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? I need more than that. I need more than
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  Speaker 1: the presence of your kids.
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  Speaker 3: You need the presence from your kids, your kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need expensive one. My point is I need
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  Speaker 2: your kids to buy me some presents next year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll yeah, yeah, pass that message along. I was present, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't very happy with coming year. Okay, perfect, all right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we we could get a scenario where the Seahawks are
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  Speaker 1: division champs at the end of this week. I'm rooting
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  Speaker 1: for a win in a Rams and forty nine Ers tie.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I want to get it done. But this
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  Speaker 1: Carolina team has a lot to play for themselves. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is pretty much their super Bowl the next couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks. I don't think that they're entertaining any visions
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  Speaker 1: of grandeur about being a super Bowl champion this week,
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  Speaker 1: but be a nice accomplishment for them here the next
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. To win the division would show a
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  Speaker 1: lot of progress. But it's hard for me to find
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  Speaker 1: anything dangers about this team. What would you highlight about
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  Speaker 1: Carolina that is something worth chewing on here this morning?
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  Speaker 3: I think there what's interesting to me is that over
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  Speaker 3: the last nine weeks they've gone win loss, win, loss, win, loss,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. And they've got some of the more impressive
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  Speaker 3: wins in the entire NFL season. I can just remember
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  Speaker 3: my reaction when they went to Green Bay and beat
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  Speaker 3: the Packers, when the Packers had acquired Micah Parsons and
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  Speaker 3: everybody thought they were rolling and then they're win at
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  Speaker 3: home against the Rams that where they scored thirty one points.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the most shocking wins.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that they have I don't know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if that constitutes a high ceiling for them
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  Speaker 3: just to have a couple of impressive games, But I
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  Speaker 3: think that there's a environment the Seahawks are going into
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  Speaker 3: with the as you suggest that, the idea they think,
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  Speaker 3: with all of their recent woes, how many times have
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  Speaker 3: they had the number one overall? You know, they traded
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  Speaker 3: remember they traded it to Chicago, but they've had number
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  Speaker 3: one overall back to back and they've just really been down.
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  Speaker 3: So I think at that fan base when you think
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  Speaker 3: of what this, remember now what the Seahawks are. They're
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  Speaker 3: the number one seed in the NFC. So that a
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  Speaker 3: number one seed coming into your building when you think
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  Speaker 3: you can kind of just wash away some of your
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  Speaker 3: recent history, I think there you're going to get all
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  Speaker 3: of the Panthers effort and all of that crowds effort,
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  Speaker 3: and it's gonna be potentially a difficult environment.
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  Speaker 1: It's not been a great year for short quarterbacks this year,
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  Speaker 1: but Bryce Young has at least it seems salvaged his career.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was not looking good last season. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they benched him last season in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the year and it was looking like a bust at
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  Speaker 1: the number one overall selection. But he's played much better
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  Speaker 1: this year. Where does Bryce Young give you trouble if
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  Speaker 1: you're Mike McDonald's defense.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's he's a twitchy playmaker in the pocket as
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  Speaker 3: would be needed at that height, right, And I think
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  Speaker 3: that for that, you know, they've just got better people
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  Speaker 3: around him. I think Tet McMillan is a guy that
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  Speaker 3: you know, we had talked about maybe the Seahawks targeting him,
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  Speaker 3: the big receiver out of Arizona, and he's really come
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  Speaker 3: on and and so I think that's probably the uh
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  Speaker 3: the as much of a reason for anything. Their tackles
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  Speaker 3: are playing better. They still have some problems that they're
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  Speaker 3: somewhat like Seattle. Their worst offensive line positions are center
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  Speaker 3: and right guard. But uh but and then you know
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  Speaker 3: they've got this Rico Doubtle that you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of emerged, an undrafted guy that almost like a folk
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  Speaker 3: hero type guy in some of his uh he's he's
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  Speaker 3: had again high ceiling for him. Some of the best
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  Speaker 3: games by a running back in the NFL. He's had
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  Speaker 3: a couple of them, so so I think that there's
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  Speaker 3: some better people around him.
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  Speaker 2: But you know.
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  Speaker 3: He's still a guy that does not have overwhelming arm strength,
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  Speaker 3: and he will be inclined to kind of back up
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  Speaker 3: in the face of pressure. And when he's backing up,
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  Speaker 3: where there are some players in this league that have
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  Speaker 3: the arm talent to still generate velocity, you know, from
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  Speaker 3: a compromised position. When I say compromise, I mean you
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  Speaker 3: can't have the kinetic chain, you know, the weight transfer
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  Speaker 3: that you would like. When he doesn't get his weight transfer,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have a strong arm, there may be an
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to get some hands on some balls that are
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  Speaker 3: floating by a relative scale with him if you get
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  Speaker 3: the right pressure in his face.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really don't see a lot of five foot
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  Speaker 1: nine inch pocket quarterbacks in the NFL are.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, though, well they're not going to see like,
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  Speaker 3: let's if we're going to really dissect this issue. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, I've given more thought to it because Russell
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  Speaker 3: Wilson was the once to see our quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: But but.
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  Speaker 3: There's going to be times, you know where you don't
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  Speaker 3: see how There was a time where I was asking
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  Speaker 3: all the the quarterbacks I had encountered and new through
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  Speaker 3: the years. Uh, you know Lway, Marino, guys I played with,
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  Speaker 3: you know, rich Gannon, other guys, Danny White, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I just anytime I saw a quarterback and say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: what percents of the time out of one hundred times
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  Speaker 3: in the pocket?
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  Speaker 2: Could you not see what you want to see?
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  Speaker 3: And and and they're all their answer was right around
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  Speaker 3: thirty to forty percent. And these are big dudes, right
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  Speaker 3: and and so if if a guy six y three,
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  Speaker 3: six y four can only you know, I couldn't, couldn't,
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  Speaker 3: can't see a third of the time that he'd want, well,
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  Speaker 3: you know it's obviously more than a third of a
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  Speaker 3: time for a shorter quarterback. So so I don't think
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  Speaker 3: that can be debated. There's times where you can't see
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  Speaker 3: what you want to see. The guys who play well
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  Speaker 3: at a shorter height, it's what do they do when
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  Speaker 3: they can't see?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Often it.
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  Speaker 3: The answer to that question is how do they playoff
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  Speaker 3: script and move around? And do they feel comfortable playing
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  Speaker 3: late in the down, potentially with receivers having broken off
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  Speaker 3: their routes, and now you're playing sandloight ball guys who
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  Speaker 3: have a good intuition field they can play at that height.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and let's say that you were a five foot
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  Speaker 1: nine inch quarterback at one point too.
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  Speaker 2: It just was in the third race.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't have any trouble seeing back then
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  Speaker 3: when I was five to nine.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm seeing over everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Mellon is with us x's and o's brought to
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  Speaker 1: you by Frost Brewed Corps Light. It just feels like
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  Speaker 1: one of those games. Just you take care of your business,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about them, You play your game, your Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: and you you come away with this victory, which might
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  Speaker 1: be essential in terms of your goals for this season.
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  Speaker 1: So where does it? Where does it begin with a
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks win? What do you want to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: you see out of this football team?
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  Speaker 4: So?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I look at Carolina and I'm I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at all these stats, you know, the NFL stat
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  Speaker 3: portable portal, Excuse me, they have scores of these stats,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm just looking at all the rankings and and
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  Speaker 3: it's amazing how much the Panthers are clustered in the
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  Speaker 3: load to mid twenties. You know, points twenty seventh, the
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  Speaker 3: yards twenty fifth, that's accessible drive score percentage twenty third,
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  Speaker 3: red zone efficiency twenty fifth. You know, here's a stat
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  Speaker 3: that I think could play a factor Seattle defensively, third
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  Speaker 3: down EPA. That's expected points. We've seen that emerge. Seattle's
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  Speaker 3: number one, Carolina is thirty first, you know, so I
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  Speaker 3: think there may be some opportunities to extend some drives
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  Speaker 3: there For the Seahawk offense. I think it's for Seattle,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's as it always is. It's can you can
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  Speaker 3: the offensive line block? And you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: there's a great second, great defensive line. On paper, Seattle
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  Speaker 3: is clearly the more dominant team. I think they just
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  Speaker 3: have to handle the most. I think the part of it,
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  Speaker 3: probably the biggest challenge is that they played the Rams
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  Speaker 3: in the last game. I'm glad they got the three
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  Speaker 3: or four extra days because emostly it's hard to fill
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  Speaker 3: your tank, particularly now they have the knowledge that they
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  Speaker 3: have the game next week at San Francisco, probably for
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  Speaker 3: the division. So this in theory would be a sandwich game,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think that they just emostly have to
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  Speaker 3: be ready for the environment they're going into, and they're
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  Speaker 3: the better team. They just have to bring their competitiveness.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you're saying offensive line needs to play, well,
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  Speaker 1: what did you think of Josh Jones filling in for
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  Speaker 1: Charles Cross and what if he has to do that
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  Speaker 1: until the playoffs?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, reports are leading to that. I think that I
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  Speaker 3: feel really good. I think back in August I was saying,
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  Speaker 3: this guy, whoever seventy four is?
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't done my homework, so who is this?
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, we acquired him from the Ravens, but I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know that until I was after I was watching
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  Speaker 3: seventy four and this guy looks really good. Like this guy,
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  Speaker 3: it looks like the best backup tackle we've had in
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  Speaker 3: a long long time. Because at the time you'd say, well,
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  Speaker 3: he's not projected to start, right, and of course he wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, whether it's uh A Stone Forsyth or
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  Speaker 3: you know fant I mean, all the guys that we've
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  Speaker 3: had that have had to fill in at the tackle
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  Speaker 3: position during those injuries, I think Josh Jones has been
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  Speaker 3: the best. And he kind of showed it the other night.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel as good as I could could be
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  Speaker 3: with a backup left tackle Sam Donald.
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  Speaker 1: Does I mean you always hear this the guy established
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  Speaker 1: the run game. But is this the type of game
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  Speaker 1: where you know, maybe you don't even need it that
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  Speaker 1: if Sam plays his game, you should handle the Carolina Panthers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think so.
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  Speaker 3: I think that first of all with Darnald that I
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  Speaker 3: think there's a discussion we need to have if you'll
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  Speaker 3: allow me to wade into shark infested waters. Okay, Sam Donald?
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  Speaker 3: And who are the sharks? You know who the sharks are?
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  Speaker 3: You and everybody who's listening who's been a football fan
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, because you're you're probably entrenched like everybody.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea you can't throw interceptions. Now, I said
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  Speaker 3: that to get your attention because I'm not about here
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  Speaker 3: to say you can. You know that it's fine to
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  Speaker 3: throw interceptions. But I think that there's a there's a
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  Speaker 3: multi layered discussion to be had about where Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 3: would be with regards to Donald and the interceptions. And
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  Speaker 3: it's centered around this. If you look at everybody says, well,
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  Speaker 3: turnover margin is the you know, the your number one
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  Speaker 3: factor for winning, Well, actually it's not. You take the
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna just go over the last three years and
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  Speaker 3: you just go correlation is This is real simple. You
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  Speaker 3: don't have to have robust Excel skills. You just put
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  Speaker 3: all the stats in and then you you sort for
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  Speaker 3: the win percentage column and and you write a correlation
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  Speaker 3: formula with a correlation function, and and this is what
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  Speaker 3: you have turnover margin. And think of it when I'm
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  Speaker 3: about to say, I'm kind of going to use terms
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  Speaker 3: like that sounds like a batting average. Okay, you know
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  Speaker 3: three thirty five, that's a great batting average. Well, three
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  Speaker 3: thirty five is not a high correlation. So correlation kind
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  Speaker 3: of lives in that world between zero and one. Well,
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  Speaker 3: batting average lives in the world between zero one because right,
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  Speaker 3: because if you're too if you're two seventy five hitter,
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  Speaker 3: really it's expressed with that decimal point two seventy five.
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  Speaker 3: So it's got me. So if you look at over
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  Speaker 3: the last three years, the correlation for turnover margin for
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  Speaker 3: a football team is five to eighty all right, the
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  Speaker 3: intersection differential is five point fifty five. So whoa, those
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  Speaker 3: are big numbers because because you think of a bad
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  Speaker 3: batting average, No, that's just moderate correlation. We're going to
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  Speaker 3: get into some higher correlation when we go passer rating
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  Speaker 3: passerrating differential, the difference between your passer rating on your team,
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  Speaker 3: firstus the opponents. Now we're up to seven ninety three,
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  Speaker 3: and for this season it's eight oh four. Yards per
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  Speaker 3: attempt differential seven eighteen. Okay, yards per play differential six
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  Speaker 3: ninety seven. Here's here's just a side note for for
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  Speaker 3: rushing rushing yards. The UH rushing yards per play only
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  Speaker 3: has a two to seventy five correlation, but total rushing
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  Speaker 3: yards has a six thirty seven. Makes sense, when you're winning,
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  Speaker 3: you run the ball to assault the game way right.
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  Speaker 3: But getting back to turnover margin, just interception differential has
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  Speaker 3: a five point fifty five and passer rating has a
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  Speaker 3: seven ninety three. Well, you say, doesn't interception percentage isn't
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  Speaker 3: that part of the passer.
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  Speaker 2: Rating as it's one fourth?
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  Speaker 3: If if you're gonna have the passerrating differential have such
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  Speaker 3: a high correlation winning, that means the other three components
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  Speaker 3: are really really damn important. And those are yards per temp,
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  Speaker 3: touchdown percentage, and completion percentage and and so and then
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  Speaker 3: if you go if you go to an individual that was.
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  Speaker 2: With the team. Those are differentials. Then if you go
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  Speaker 2: to the.
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  Speaker 3: NFL quarterbacks, you say interceptions, well, it has a.
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  Speaker 2: A negative.
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  Speaker 3: Of trying to decide how much I should explain, there's
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  Speaker 3: negative correlation and positive correlation. So when one goes up
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  Speaker 3: and the other one goes up. You know, hot days
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  Speaker 3: go up, ice cream sales go up, that's positive correlation.
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  Speaker 3: Hot days go up, hot chocolate days go down. That's
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  Speaker 3: negative correlation. Got me so, but interceptions hasn't. You'd expect
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  Speaker 3: it to have a negative, but it's only one seventy three.
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  Speaker 3: This is now for the players. But epa per dropback
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  Speaker 3: has a six forty eight. Adjusted net yards per attempt
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  Speaker 3: has a six to seventy three. So Sam Donald is
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  Speaker 3: third in the NFL at a statistic that has a
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  Speaker 3: six to seventy three correlation to winning, and he's he's
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  Speaker 3: near the bottom in a correlation that's only one seventy three.
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  Speaker 3: The close yard is zero is statistically insignificant. Uh, yards
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  Speaker 3: per dropbacks, Sam Donald's number one in the NFL. Let
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  Speaker 3: me repeat that yards per dropback Sam Donald is number
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  Speaker 3: number one in the NFL. It had and that that
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  Speaker 3: stat has a six sixty three correlation to winning. So
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  Speaker 3: are we gonna Are we gonna neuter a guy's ability
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  Speaker 3: to generate big plays down the field, so that so
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna diminish a factor that has a
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  Speaker 3: six sixty three win correlation so that we can improve
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  Speaker 3: on a statistic that has a one seventy three correlation.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense. And I don't think it's makes
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  Speaker 3: sense to to Mike McDonald. So when you hear Mike
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  Speaker 3: McDonald say, hey, we're just gonna keep letting it, say
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  Speaker 3: let a rip, you know, let a rip.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, We're fine. He's our dude, Like, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Your second in this in the NFL and points scored,
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  Speaker 3: and and you're first in the NFL in wins, and
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  Speaker 3: your quarterback is first in the NFL in yards per dropback.
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  Speaker 2: So we want to sit there and say.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, let's let's turn over the apple cart
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  Speaker 3: and and and fix this interception thing. And when you
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  Speaker 3: hear Mike McDonald like, pump the brakes not so fast,
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  Speaker 3: that's not my philosophy. I'm I'm not saying that he
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  Speaker 3: that he would recite all of this what I've recited
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  Speaker 3: with correlations, but I bet he has a pretty good grasp,
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  Speaker 3: either intuitively or the numbers he's been shown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know that you are just lumping me
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  Speaker 1: in by saying you h with like the Sharks being
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  Speaker 1: the media.
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  Speaker 3: I'm me no, nothing, No, this is the fans because.
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  Speaker 1: Because I do need to explain this, because I mean
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  Speaker 1: it is is you know, my show. So I but
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  Speaker 1: I have been I have been on the let it Rip.
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  Speaker 1: I've been in the let let it Rip club. So
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  Speaker 1: I know you know that I'm just the way that
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  Speaker 1: it came off, you were putting me in the other category,
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  Speaker 1: it sounded like to the listener. So I just want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that people know on the Chuck and
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  Speaker 1: Buck Show that I've been in the let it Rip
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  Speaker 1: club because I will live with an interception per game
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  Speaker 1: if it means I get all of that other excellent
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  Speaker 1: quarterback play I've gotten from Sam Donald this year.
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  Speaker 3: I will vouch for that. You've absolutely been in that camp.
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  Speaker 3: So that that was me poorly laying that out. What
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  Speaker 3: I meant is the Shark confessed waters. I was throwing
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  Speaker 3: myself in. I was throwing all the listeners that when
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  Speaker 3: when I the onset of this portion of the conversation,
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  Speaker 3: when I I'm I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna basically,
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get on
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  Speaker 3: the radio and i'm gonna gonna well a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people who know a lot about football and have been
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  Speaker 3: watching football for years and decades. I'm gonna get on
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna tell him, Hey, don't worry about Sam
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Donald's interception. Is that? And I was like, WHOA, that
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: sounds like swimming in shark infested waters. And guess who's
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: in the Who's one of the sharks myself? Because I'm
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: a fan, Like like to me, when I look at
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: these numbers, I I.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Said, whoa. You know, I've been told my whole life,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you know, interceptions don't do it.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Right, and so any of it. No, You're right, you
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: have been saying that. But I so let's let's all.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: The conclusion that I'm trying to say is that that, yes,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: we want to limit those interceptions, but it's a very
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: very delicate process. And and and you cannot throw the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: hammer down on Sam Donald and say stop the effing interceptions.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Above all else, stop the effing interceptions, because guess what
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: he can and he would and Mike McDonald doesn't want that,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And I don't think you, as a Seattle Seahawk fan,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: want that, right because you're you're the unwanted consequences are there,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: and it's it's it's it's baked into football, and it's
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: a very tough thing to be an NFL quarterback and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: be in a pocket and and you're in micro hundreds
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: of a second, you're sitting there thinking to yourself, is
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: this is this past gonna work? When I hit JSN
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: and he comes in between the second basement and the
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: third basement, those are the hook defenders in his zone
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: defense under when he went goes into that window, Am
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I gonna have a shot? And if you sit there
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: and go I gotta see it. I gotta see it
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: before I really want to turn it loose. I got
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: to see it. I gotta see it. I gotta see
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: it's got to be wide open. If you're playing with
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: any kind of paralysis like that, you will never hit
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: that window, right, You'll never hit that window. So it
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: is a very delicate process when we're talking about dialing
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: down a quarterback's uh interceptions who has been this robust
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: at producing big plays and points and all the rest
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and wins.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the guys the winningness.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: The guy's the winningness quarterback in the NFL over this
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: year is tied for first. Over the last two years,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: he's number one, and over the last four years, Folks.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Since twenty twenty two, Sam Darnold has the highest win
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: percentage in the NFL. And of those five and you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen are right behind him. But
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: of the guys in the top five, he's the only
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: one who has a triple digit passer rating, Like, like,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: let's please pump the brakes on, you know, just crapping
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: on the guy because we all want him to throw
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: fewer interceptions.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Anyways, I think I've made my point. Yeah, he all.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, ideally you want your quarterback to be Tom Brady,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But if I have my second choice, I'm probably going
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Brett Farvre. And I'm not saying he's either one of
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: those guys, but far through a lot of interceptions, but
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he also made so many big plays. You live a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: little bit with with the mistakes because of how much
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you've gained from the way he plays.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: You've been preaching that. Yeah, yes, I will vouch for that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So In other words, we want four touchdown passes
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and one interception from Saturay Sunday.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: If I told you that, would you take it?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I would take that. Yeah, let me have I'd even know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I'll even throw in a fumbled snap.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, whatever he's been doing has been working.
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  Speaker 6: Sir, I'm pretty good. This is definitely a week where
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: I have no idea what day it was. I was like, shoot, day,
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  Speaker 6: agree to do something today. I thought it was Monday,
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm like, oh, no, it's Friday.
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  Speaker 2: So it is definitely just good.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most mondayest feeling on a Friday I've ever
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  Speaker 6: That's good, though, because you get a weekend coming.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a really hard, grueling week of day of work.
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  Speaker 1: So now now I get ready for it to relax
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  Speaker 1: this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Well, did you have a good holiday? Absolutely good?
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Yep, A lot to be grateful for and absolutely.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, well excellent, And now you got a bunch of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: football to watch tomorrow and then the Sunday.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Let's start with the local club.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, Carolina Panthers. How weird are they this year?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But they've got more incentive, I suppose than what even
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks do on Sunday. They can actually walk off
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the field as division champs. The Seahawks can't do that
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. What is it about them that they've found
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: ways to be in this thing?
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: So they're ranked like twenty third, twenty fourth on each
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: side of the ball, so that you know they have
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: a better record than their performance would indicate. I think
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: what they've done is, you know, before they were just
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: kind of incompetent and they just could get rolled. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: think they've been more competitive. I think that their offense
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: on its best day can get some things going. Now,
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: I still don't think they're a very good team. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: think it's an interesting matchup a little bit because Dave
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: Canalis is their head coach. He spent a lot of
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: time in Seattle, and he's not going up again. Pete
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: Carroll his mentor, but he's still going.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Up against Seattle.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: Dan Morgan as their general manager, you know, longtime Seattle
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: for an office guys, so they're gonna I'm sure they've
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: been paying attention watching the Seahawks a little bit more
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: than they watched other teams outside their division. There's been
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: some talk that, hey, they don't really have to win
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: this game. The big game next week for them is
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: against Tampa that's going to decide the division.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: I think they probably still need to play it and
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: you know, try to string together as many good games
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: as they can. But I think Seattle's defense should be
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: way too much for them, and they have a little quarterback,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: you know, just to me, it just feels like this
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: should be, should be if Seattle's got that great defense,
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a bully game for them.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It's not been a good year for little quarterbacks. Bryce
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Young has had the best year of them, and he's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and I'll give him credit, I mean, because it looked
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: like he was heading toward bustville last year, but he's
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: bounced back, and boy, his teammates seem to love him
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: there in Carolina.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: Well, that's one of the interesting things that I heard
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: behind behind the the scenes there last year was, you know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: he got benched only two games into Dave Canals' tenure
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: last year and looked like he was about done. But
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: for whatever reason, I heard that he kind of became
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: a different guy from a leadership standpoint, from an accountability standpoint.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: After that, he kind of snapped into maybe his best self.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: I still think he's limited, and I think there's thirty
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: one teams that would love to see the Panthers sign
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: him to a big two A type contract, right, So
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: I think that still will be interesting to see what
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: do they do now because typically when you draft a
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: guy that high first from the draft and he's quote
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: unquote successful, like they get paid a lot. But he's
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: not that guy, right, He's not the top guy. So
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I think that'll be fascinating to see how they handle that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: I think he's he's a nice story. I don't think
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: anyone's afraid to play him.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I feel. Mike Sander was with
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: us our NFL Insider and you can follow him at
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  Speaker 1: Sando NFL there and on Twitter. Yesterday's the results a
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: couple of interesting things. I mean, well, I just did
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: not see the Detroit Lions. I mean I didn't buy
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the They've lost both coordinators, they're in trouble and yet
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to be eight and eight and out of the playoffs entirely.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: What kind of offseason do you expect Detroit to have?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: What kind of look in the mirror kind of moment
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: do you expect from them?
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: We're going to find out how arrogant they are, right,
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: I think this is they've shorn a lot of confidence
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: and they've done a really good job. But I've always sensed,
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: you know, Brad Holmes has kind of gotten he's a GM.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: He came from the Rams, and he's a all everything
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: I've heard, a great guy, but he's kind of had
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: this attitude of like rushing off criticism and questions because
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: they've gotten the last laugh to this point. Right, So,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: how honest do you have to be with where you
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: are when you have this type of a season.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm not.
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: Sure because it's not like they went they won four games.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: It's not like Jared Goff had a terrible year. Shoot,
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: his stats look great. Yeah, So this is one of
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: those tester years where I feel like, do they show
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: some arrogance And it may not just be arrogance that
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: maybe hey, stay the course, right, don't panic if it
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: works out, But clearly they need an offensive coordinator. I
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: think their offensive line must be addressed because as we've
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: seen firsthand when Jared Goff was in the division here
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: playing for the Rams, there's almost no one who can
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: look as good or as bad depending what his protection is.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Wouldn't you agree?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? Whether like this guy needs to.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Be in a temperature controlled office with you know, you know,
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: with his favorite brand of water and a bowl of
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: his favorite kind of Eminem's there, and there needs to
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: be no noises and when he does that, he's like
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: the most He's as efficient a worker as as Mahomes.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: But when you start making him play in the mud
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: or his his protection is there, he can suddenly look
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: very different. And so I think they have to make
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: sure the line is where it starts, because remember when
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: the Rams got rid of him, it was after their
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: best line kind of atrophied. Remember they had that great
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: line Andrew Whitworth, all those guys, and then it kind
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: of went away, and they're like, oh, what's wrong with
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: GoF It's not the same. I think they got to
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: do that first and foremost, it's their whole identity through
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Dan Campbell controlling land of scrimmage. They've lost their center
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: for years and Frank ragnow you know they may have
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: a tackle issue. They've drafted a couple of young guards
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: that may or may not be the guy fix it,
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: Brad Holmes, Dan Campbell, and then you may have a
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: better year next year.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, Liam Cohen or somebody else for Coach of
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the Year. I think it's hard to go against Mike Rabel.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I think I right about this a little bit.
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: Well, if you go into the year of what everybody
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: thought of the teams were you know, you would have
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: said Newellan could have been a bottom three team in
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: their division. And so the things I like about what
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: he's done is is uh okay, getting the absolute best
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: out of this quarterback. And he's not an offensive coach Verbell,
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: but he's got Josh McDaniel's there. That's a great guy
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: to have running your offense. And then things like this
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: Stefan Diggs difficult guy to deal with. He's having a
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: great year, like he's coaching that team to play well
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: together to get it. I think he's got good leaders
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: and I think Drake May is a good young leader.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: Like they've got something going there to where I think
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: they have as good a chance as anyone to make
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: a deep run in the AFC.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a lot of good candidates for it to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: including Canalis in Carolina. All right, man, Well, every every
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: day there's football on. That's Christmas for Mike Sando. And
• 29:43
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  Speaker 6: Every thank you, every day, Oh every day that I
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  Speaker 6: do is well said yeah, Well said yeah, I should
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: just shut up.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: You said it so well, and I tried to correct you.
• 29:54
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  Speaker 1: as well, and I guess it's a bit of a fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw for the first time this Madden movie trailer.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Nicholas Cage is playing John Madden. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: feel about that. I don't really like it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you have Frank Caliendo who can do him like spot on?
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• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Christian Bale doing an impersonation of Al Davis?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: And it is awesome?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Christian Bale, who I already I am a
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  Speaker 5: He is like the epitome of if you give him
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  Speaker 5: a role, he's like, I'm all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, yeah, more so, he's like even more
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: than Daniel day Lewis.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: But anyway, it looks really good. I look forward to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: watching it. I just don't know if I'm buying Nick
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Cage is John Madden.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: But to be fair, I don't buy him as a
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: lot of things, and I end up liking a lot
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: of his movies.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So but I despite him.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Almost to see him in the one where he plays himself. Yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: he plays himself as like the unbearable being.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Or something like that. Yes, it's actually really really good.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I believe that.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: I've liked him in a lot of things, and I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: have not liked him, yeah, a few things.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: My only problem is now these days I just picture
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers looking like Nicholas Kge.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: You can't shout up to Packers camp that one year.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, play him, play Aaron Rodgers in the movie, not
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