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Ken Quick Pt 1: Invisible Loyalties & Ledgers
Hidden forces decide how we relate long before we name them. We sat down with Dr. Ken Quick to unpack Ivan Nagy’s “invisible loyalties,” a family systems lens that explains why churches so often feel like they’re living under unspoken contracts. Think of relationships as ledgers with credits and debits: gifts given, support expected, bids for connection that get received or ignored. When those ledgers are healthy, gratitude sets the tone. When they’re distorted, quiet debts become leverage and unity gets confused with silence.
We trace how family-of-origin patterns shape staff culture, elder…
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