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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wake Up with a playing wake Up and the Club
- 0:04Speaker 1: on nine four seven.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Now, if you've just tuned in, you're just in time
- 0:08Speaker 2: to hear moving.
- 0:10Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 0:11Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you come across something, and you come
- 0:13Speaker 3: across the story and you just like, am I the
- 0:15Speaker 3: only one who thinks that this is weird? Am I
- 0:17Speaker 3: the only one who thinks that this is rubbish?
- 0:21Speaker 1: And often you feel like you can't voice that opinion
- 0:23Speaker 1: because maybe sentiment is the other way, and you're not
- 0:26Speaker 1: sure whether other people are going to feel the way
- 0:28Speaker 1: you do.
- 0:29Speaker 3: Yes, because when I saw this post, everyone on the
- 0:32Speaker 3: on the comments, oh, this is so amazing, this is powerful,
- 0:38Speaker 3: so hot, warming, and I was like, no, this is rubbish. Okay,
- 0:42Speaker 3: this is undaluted rubbish. Gabriel Union love.
- 0:47Speaker 1: You Tibits doll, very very famous.
- 0:50Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you Tibits. Love her.
- 0:53Speaker 3: I liked her from Bringing On Days and then she
- 0:55Speaker 3: was eleven basketball. I mean she's got like long long
- 0:58Speaker 3: no no, no, oh being Mary Jane.
- 1:00Speaker 2: I love that show.
- 1:01Speaker 3: But cool, you can be scattering your father's ashes in
- 1:04Speaker 3: South Africa?
- 1:04Speaker 2: What do you mean?
- 1:05Speaker 1: I saw this club. She came all the way here,
- 1:08Speaker 1: and then what did she do? She went to a
- 1:10Speaker 1: wine farm, or I.
- 1:13Speaker 3: Just want to know the backstory where they at this
- 1:14Speaker 3: wine farm before and then the dad loved us wine
- 1:17Speaker 3: farm so much that they then because she's been here before,
- 1:19Speaker 3: food times with her. I love South Africa, and I mean, okay,
- 1:24Speaker 3: we like that you like us, but you can't be
- 1:27Speaker 3: scattering your father's ashes in South Africa.
- 1:30Speaker 2: What is the protocol? Surely there's like a law against
- 1:32Speaker 2: that it is.
- 1:33Speaker 1: I did find it a little bit strange because she
- 1:35Speaker 1: doesn't in her post also explain this, so she doesn't
- 1:39Speaker 1: really go deep into the connection maybe they have with
- 1:42Speaker 1: you know, do.
- 1:43Speaker 3: You think perhaps I'd be friendly about it if I
- 1:45Speaker 3: knew what the connection was.
- 1:46Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I can imagine that maybe her dad came
- 1:48Speaker 1: here on a trip and they loved it. I would
- 1:51Speaker 1: I mean, for me personally, I would do that. I'd
- 1:53Speaker 1: be like if that was my favorite place I go
- 1:55Speaker 1: overseas somewhere and as a family, we love spending time there.
- 2:00Speaker 1: Pass on, you bring my I don't know, you bring
- 2:03Speaker 1: my ashes there?
- 2:03Speaker 2: Because this is the video.
- 2:04Speaker 3: In the bigger of the video and you'll listen, she's
- 2:07Speaker 3: literally shoveling Leger and then she drops one line where
- 2:12Speaker 3: I'm like Okay, my lad was in my pocket. My
- 2:20Speaker 3: dad was in my pocket. So clearland, this is not
- 2:24Speaker 3: all of him? Means we got his like arm in
- 2:28Speaker 3: his No, man, what man?
- 2:31Speaker 4: I just I just find it strange that you wouldn't
- 2:33Speaker 4: want to bury him at home, because you know, generally,
- 2:37Speaker 4: when or maybe not maybe actually not with cremation, when
- 2:41Speaker 4: you scatter people's ashes, you don't generally ovisit them.
- 2:43Speaker 1: But this is exactly what you this is, This is
- 2:46Speaker 1: exactly what you're trying to say, is that it's this.
- 2:48Speaker 1: This is weird because you've never thought about this. You've
- 2:51Speaker 1: never thought would you want to go to a foreign
- 2:53Speaker 1: land to be scattered there?
- 2:55Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm thinking.
- 2:57Speaker 3: I'm thinking legally South Africa on our land, so their
- 3:01Speaker 3: freaker our land.
- 3:04Speaker 2: Are you allowed to just roll around scattering your ashes everywhere?
- 3:08Speaker 3: And we've had this conversation three years ago, Remember I
- 3:10Speaker 3: had this conversation.
- 3:11Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but are you asking as South Africans or
- 3:13Speaker 1: are you asking as foreigners?
- 3:16Speaker 3: Yes, travelers, yes, because guys, because we are the best.
- 3:19Speaker 2: Country in the world. Can you imagine if everyone in
- 3:22Speaker 2: the world.
- 3:22Speaker 3: God cremated was like, I want to go be scattered
- 3:24Speaker 3: in South Africa.
- 3:25Speaker 4: We have to it's not fine to live here, but
- 3:28Speaker 4: now it's fine to spend eternity here.
- 3:30Speaker 2: You even pay tax? Yeah, you don't even paid tax. Yeah. No,
- 3:36Speaker 2: I need to know. I need to know what the
- 3:37Speaker 2: rules are. Oh one one eight thirty eight nine four seven.
- 3:41Speaker 3: What are the rules around coming to scatter your famili's? Yeah,
- 3:45Speaker 3: love your family spirits? Oh you know, maybe their souls
- 3:48Speaker 3: rest in peace on our land. But I just need
- 3:50Speaker 3: to know what are the rules, because the thing about
- 3:53Speaker 3: rules is, think about it. If everyone was doing this thing,
- 3:57Speaker 3: would like, where does it leave us?
- 3:59Speaker 1: It's your concern strangers walking into the ancestors. Is that
- 4:05Speaker 1: the concern.
- 4:08Speaker 3: Anyone coming here with their urns to pour Auntie Margaret
- 4:11Speaker 3: all over our land? I just feel like, much like
- 4:14Speaker 3: we're running out of cemetery space, we should run out
- 4:17Speaker 3: of ash space.
- 4:18Speaker 1: We should you're saying we should put up with that.
- 4:20Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't be allowed.
- 4:21Speaker 3: You should be There should be like a specific visa.
- 4:24Speaker 2: There should be specific.
- 4:25Speaker 3: Permission that the government gives you to say, Okay, we
- 4:27Speaker 3: are aware that you're doing this.
- 4:28Speaker 2: So that's just for quality control.
- 4:31Speaker 1: The Department of Homer phase something.
- 4:33Speaker 2: I don't know we're gonna have to have a new department. Asha.
- 4:36Speaker 2: I don't know, but something needs to happen. Think about it.
- 4:40Speaker 2: Imagine if one billion.
- 4:42Speaker 3: People decided that they're gonna fly to South Africa to
- 4:44Speaker 3: scatter their family's ashes.
- 4:45Speaker 1: Yeah, just I mean it's that's dust.
- 4:49Speaker 3: Patricia is like, you leave those tourists alone.
- 4:52Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they are absolutely allowed. What's your take on it?
- 4:56Speaker 3: Zero eight four double zero double zero, diet four seven,
- 4:58Speaker 3: Lets chat.
- 4:59Speaker 2: I didn't see anything wrong with that because she says.
- 5:02Speaker 3: I brought my father's she's where we planted a tree together,
- 5:09Speaker 3: and the farm that we planted a tree together. I
- 5:11Speaker 3: was also having the same question right, questioning whether it's
- 5:14Speaker 3: legal or not.
- 5:16Speaker 2: This is something that happened on a regular lyricist.
- 5:19Speaker 4: It's just that now we know about it because it's
- 5:23Speaker 4: there's no law governing it, so people can come.
- 5:25Speaker 2: Literally and sketch ashes wherever they want. God Gaven, you
- 5:28Speaker 2: are busys swimming there.
- 5:30Speaker 5: You guys are being hypocritical because down't all African Americans
- 5:35Speaker 5: the same from Africa?
- 5:37Speaker 6: Is this not the motherland?
- 5:39Speaker 3: Yes, it is the motherland, but would like them to
- 5:41Speaker 3: pay value?
- 5:42Speaker 2: Ask tax?
- 5:44Speaker 1: You think that you should be paying a fee something,
- 5:47Speaker 1: or you.
- 5:47Speaker 3: Should be registering it, or you should be asking permissions.
- 5:50Speaker 2: It just can't be.
- 5:51Speaker 3: There's a process I know by somebody who's bus.
- 5:55Speaker 2: Like of all.
- 6:01Speaker 1: Everywhere.
- 6:02Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
- 6:05Speaker 1: You want to know when you buy, when you when
- 6:06Speaker 1: you're buying your wine farm in Cape Town, you want
- 6:09Speaker 1: to know whose ashes have been so they should be a.
- 6:12Speaker 3: Registered It must say that it's a shot in there.
- 6:14Speaker 2: Or the Shannon and Gabriel Lunion's dad Cameron in Venoni,
- 6:19Speaker 2: Good morning.
- 6:21Speaker 6: Hey and Ella, how are you doing?
- 6:22Speaker 2: Team?
- 6:25Speaker 6: Yeah, good morning guys. Look, I'm not calling from a
- 6:29Speaker 6: perspective of any sort of legal angle on this whole thing,
- 6:34Speaker 6: but there's a two parts to this, because I'm guilty
- 6:36Speaker 6: on on on both parts. I was a well I'm
- 6:41Speaker 6: still a private safari guide, but I was a safari
- 6:43Speaker 6: guide at a very well known luxury one of the
- 6:46Speaker 6: top lodgers in our country for for a few years.
- 6:49Speaker 6: And I had a lovely lady come through from New
- 6:52Speaker 6: York with her two daughters and it was one of
- 6:55Speaker 6: the best trips she's ever had in her whole life.
- 6:57Speaker 6: And she took her daughters to the bush and it
- 7:00Speaker 6: was a bucket list trip for the three of them,
- 7:02Speaker 6: and two years down the line, I kept in touch
- 7:05Speaker 6: with the family. But two years down the line, they
- 7:06Speaker 6: let me know that she had sadly passed away and
- 7:10Speaker 6: in her final sort of will, she asked that her
- 7:16Speaker 6: ashes be returned to me personally so I could spread
- 7:20Speaker 6: them in this particular property, which I'll will remain unnamed.
- 7:27Speaker 7: But almost no, no, no, no, nothing against Sambala, but
- 7:33Speaker 7: this is much better than that, and carry.
- 7:39Speaker 2: On, carry on.
- 7:41Speaker 6: Yeah, So I mean I did a whole video. I
- 7:44Speaker 6: spread her ashes, I read a passage that the family
- 7:47Speaker 6: asked me to read out, sent the video back to
- 7:49Speaker 6: New York and they were all happy.
- 7:51Speaker 8: And honestly, I didn't have any issue.
- 7:52Speaker 6: With it, because, like I said, we are all coming
- 7:55Speaker 6: from the same place at the end of the day,
- 7:58Speaker 6: and I didn't see why this family couldn't have this
- 8:01Speaker 6: sort of final peace of mind, you know, after losing
- 8:05Speaker 6: their mother. So that's the that's the one party. I
- 8:08Speaker 6: don't know if you have questions on that.
- 8:10Speaker 1: I do have questions. Did they post need this to you?
- 8:16Speaker 6: How did you know I physically, I physically went through
- 8:20Speaker 6: New York? Did them yes?
- 8:22Speaker 2: Wow?
- 8:23Speaker 1: Okay, who paid for the trip.
- 8:26Speaker 6: No, I was on a marketing trip to Forward to
- 8:30Speaker 6: see clients anyway, So I went and collected them from
- 8:33Speaker 6: the daughters.
- 8:34Speaker 3: Okay, Cameron, nothing against the story.
- 8:36Speaker 2: Love it warms my heart.
- 8:37Speaker 3: Do you think that that family should have paid that
- 8:41Speaker 3: value ash tax?
- 8:43Speaker 6: Absolutely not. They paid tens of thousands of dollars when they.
- 8:47Speaker 8: Came to visit the first time.
- 8:49Speaker 6: So I didn't see an issue looking after. And she
- 8:52Speaker 6: was a sweet old ladyes like I mean.
- 8:55Speaker 1: Are the ones, the sweet old ladies the other ones
- 8:59Speaker 1: you gotta be careful of? I'm telling you, Cameron. Okay,
- 9:02Speaker 1: what is the second part?
- 9:03Speaker 6: Part two?
- 9:04Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 9:04Speaker 6: So I my love for the bush can from my
- 9:07Speaker 6: father and I sadly lost him about four years back now,
- 9:11Speaker 6: and when when we had him cremated, we've got sort
- 9:14Speaker 6: of his main urn, which remains at home with us.
- 9:17Speaker 6: And then I got a little mini earned which we
- 9:20Speaker 6: call travel Dad. And because I go to so many
- 9:24Speaker 6: of the national parks in Southern Africa, I sneak him
- 9:28Speaker 6: into every single park I go to, and I spread
- 9:31Speaker 6: a bit of him in the mass I Mayra and
- 9:33Speaker 6: the Choby and the Hakavango Delta and the Cali. I
- 9:37Speaker 6: even did a little bit of him in Brazil when
- 9:40Speaker 6: we're looking for jaguars. So I don't know, I'm guilty,
- 9:44Speaker 6: but it makes me feel good at the end of
- 9:46Speaker 6: the day. And you know, I don't know, it's all
- 9:48Speaker 6: about peace of mind, I think.
- 9:50Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't argue with any of this. Cameron, You're
- 9:52Speaker 2: just so nice.
- 9:54Speaker 3: It's just a beautiful story I actually wanted as a
- 9:56Speaker 3: Netflix special.
- 10:00Speaker 6: I'm going to be honest.
- 10:01Speaker 8: I was a bit stretched, a little bit going through Brazil.
- 10:04Speaker 6: Just being you know, a solo male traveler going to Brazil,
- 10:07Speaker 6: because I did find that they did it looks like
- 10:09Speaker 6: they took a swab of the ashes. Did they a
- 10:13Speaker 6: little word with my dad in heaven?
- 10:14Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 10:15Speaker 6: Yeah, And I just said, look, he's on some cue
- 10:17Speaker 6: tips somewhere and and just forgive me.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Yea the land for somewhere in Brazil.
- 10:27Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, okay, I had a question.
- 10:30Speaker 2: I had a question, but I forgot my question.
- 10:32Speaker 1: Such a nice story. Camera. No, you know, we were,
- 10:35Speaker 1: we were making jokes, but now you've stopped.
- 10:36Speaker 6: Them, stopped us dead out tracks. Nor do.
- 10:44Speaker 3: I missed that you stopped us dating out tracks?
- 10:49Speaker 2: And Cindy said, deading out tracks?
- 10:51Speaker 6: Uh, well, done.
- 10:54Speaker 2: On the line.
- 10:55Speaker 3: We've got Peter from the Mise Days and he's the
- 10:56Speaker 3: general manager of funeral services that week out.
- 10:59Speaker 2: Bob Okay saying, these guys know where you should be
- 11:02Speaker 2: scattering your ashes.
- 11:03Speaker 3: It's the sky, pizza, good morning, welcome to claim morning. Really,
- 11:07Speaker 3: where are you allowed to scatter your ashes?
- 11:10Speaker 9: Then it's governed by local by laws, so you need
- 11:13Speaker 9: to consult your local bylaws. So if I just look
- 11:16Speaker 9: at twenty twenty probertue from scattering any ashes on municipal land.
- 11:21Speaker 1: They very specific, so no parks, no parks for you?
- 11:25Speaker 1: Okay for you?
- 11:26Speaker 9: Well that so obviously private property you need at least
- 11:30Speaker 9: to get the land owners permission. I mean, can you
- 11:34Speaker 9: imagine you walking into somebody's garden and starting to scatter
- 11:37Speaker 9: your beloved ones ashes there just because you stayed there
- 11:40Speaker 9: before around upon.
- 11:43Speaker 8: That, so I assume the same similar when you.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Go now into a restaurant or shop. Sorry side note,
- 11:53Speaker 1: I mean these ashes. So let's say I'm just asking
- 11:56Speaker 1: for someone like this, who a friend asking for a friend.
- 12:00Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing healthwise dangerous about these ashes.
- 12:05Speaker 8: No, it's ash.
- 12:05Speaker 9: I mean there's nothing really remaining of the human or
- 12:08Speaker 9: the beloved one in the ashes ash, So you.
- 12:11Speaker 1: Can't put it at the spur as long as the
- 12:13Speaker 1: spurs is.
- 12:13Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's probably another meaning to flame grill.
- 12:19Speaker 1: There were and so what instead of Jobak can you
- 12:23Speaker 1: put put it in the park? Yeah, a city of Joburg.
- 12:26Speaker 9: Is not that specific. I just in their bilows, I
- 12:29Speaker 9: just referred to scattering of ashes in the symmetry. You
- 12:31Speaker 9: need to get permission to go and scattery in the
- 12:34Speaker 9: corner of remembrance. But they're not very specific on whether
- 12:38Speaker 9: you can scatter your ashes on municipal lands or not.
- 12:42Speaker 9: But another interesting one is the National Act Health Act that.
- 12:45Speaker 1: If you want to go and.
- 12:46Speaker 9: Scatter your ashes in the sea, you need to be
- 12:48Speaker 9: at least six kilometers from land. Was quite interesting to
- 12:51Speaker 9: me that you need to be that far.
- 12:53Speaker 6: Into the sea.
- 12:54Speaker 9: But it's a guy to scattered and on private properties.
- 12:58Speaker 2: You have to assume that yourself. Can you take a.
- 13:02Speaker 8: No, I assume you will take about.
- 13:04Speaker 3: Okay, we will one more question before we let you go.
- 13:09Speaker 3: If I have Nelson Mandela's ashes, am I allowed to
- 13:14Speaker 3: scatter them on the Nelson Mandela Bridge.
- 13:19Speaker 5: Well, it's been to what the bilos says.
- 13:21Speaker 2: It's this Bridge.
- 13:22Speaker 4: Guys.
- 13:23Speaker 1: Sorry, the New Mandela Foundation is phony, serious questions for you,
- 13:27Speaker 1: And no, this is.
- 13:28Speaker 3: All hypothetical, Tata, this is all hypathetical. That's I just
- 13:33Speaker 3: want to say that I'm a better person now, Ago,
- 13:36Speaker 3: I really, I promise you, I have evolved, I have grown.
- 13:40Speaker 2: I am a better person now that flame.
- 13:43Speaker 3: Hey, Flame cruise and I mean Claire, you're in Midrand
- 13:46Speaker 3: good morning morning.
- 13:48Speaker 2: Team he Clarry good good.
- 13:52Speaker 10: I'm a bit torn, right, I mean, we own a
- 13:55Speaker 10: game farm and we have a couple of hundred people
- 13:58Speaker 10: come to the game farm every year and it's family
- 14:01Speaker 10: members of ours. Now you know we've owned it for years.
- 14:05Speaker 10: So would I throw ashes? Yeah? Would I want two
- 14:09Speaker 10: hundred people throwing their ashes?
- 14:11Speaker 2: No?
- 14:11Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 14:12Speaker 1: I'm a bit torn, you see, because that is exactly
- 14:15Speaker 1: what we were saying, is that. I mean, it's a
- 14:17Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And the way Gabrielle Union does it in
- 14:19Speaker 1: the video as well, it's very nice running.
- 14:21Speaker 2: It's amazing.
- 14:22Speaker 3: But what I'm saying clear is I think there should
- 14:24Speaker 3: be some sort of where you are recorded so that
- 14:28Speaker 3: we can say, no, ten thousand people already put their
- 14:31Speaker 3: ashes on that side, it's crowded there you know what
- 14:34Speaker 3: I'm saying.
- 14:35Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there should be some legality. I mean,
- 14:39Speaker 10: and we have to bury someone. We have to go
- 14:41Speaker 10: through the process, exact man. And that's for our own country.
- 14:46Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. Clear.
- 14:48Speaker 3: What's your game park reserve things? Yeah, let's give you
- 14:51Speaker 3: some free air time.
- 14:53Speaker 10: Oh shame guys. Yeah, we have a family owned game
- 14:57Speaker 10: farm where you can come and you can we enjoy
- 15:01Speaker 10: the animals and bring the kids. And because we have
- 15:04Speaker 10: kids ourselves, you know, the kids get to go and.
- 15:06Speaker 1: Walk around with what's the name, Claire.
- 15:09Speaker 10: It's called Friends and Safaris. Sorry what Friends and Safaris?
- 15:15Speaker 9: Bur name?
- 15:16Speaker 2: What's your sname?
- 15:18Speaker 10: Friend?
- 15:19Speaker 2: Friend like a friend like you my jommy like.
- 15:21Speaker 10: Never fear when the friend is near.
- 15:23Speaker 2: Okay, oh friend Safari.
- 15:26Speaker 10: Friends and Safaris.
- 15:28Speaker 2: Friends and Safari got the big five day, Claire.
- 15:31Speaker 10: We have buffalo, we have hyhena, we have leopards, but
- 15:35Speaker 10: we don't have elephant rhino.
- 15:37Speaker 2: And you're missing a few friends.
- 15:40Speaker 10: We are, we are. They just they just are quite
- 15:43Speaker 10: richly and you know, not big enough piece of property.
- 15:47Speaker 10: We only have a thousand acts.
- 15:48Speaker 1: Don't Claire. Sometimes some friends are emotional and you got
- 15:51Speaker 1: to cut the.
- 15:53Speaker 3: Thank you love you by bye bye bo in Randburg.
- 15:58Speaker 2: Talk to us good.
- 16:00Speaker 7: In the clubs.
- 16:04Speaker 5: Well, my wife works for an exclusive lotch. They've got
- 16:09Speaker 5: the Big five way, and then she gets crazy requests.
- 16:12Speaker 5: The latest one was that they wanted them to gather
- 16:16Speaker 5: the elephants so that they could get to the eshes.
- 16:19Speaker 1: You know, like like like gather the elephants together.
- 16:25Speaker 5: Get this, yeah, yep, yep, and they all the way
- 16:27Speaker 5: from overseas and then they come in here and we
- 16:30Speaker 5: must play the entire U Sarasina song, not Saraina, the
- 16:34Speaker 5: Lion Kings songs, you know.
- 16:36Speaker 2: And there you go.
- 16:40Speaker 1: You're making it up.
- 16:42Speaker 2: I promise you.
- 16:45Speaker 5: They get those crazy requests and the fun thing is
- 16:48Speaker 5: to actually make the request and then they get her
- 16:50Speaker 5: thumbs up, so you'll be there and the game driveway
- 16:55Speaker 5: and then they ash it your your face and like, uh,
- 16:59Speaker 5: they're burning some bushes somewhere. It's actually not you have
- 17:02Speaker 5: this their way.
- 17:04Speaker 1: On your face because of the wind, because of the wind,
- 17:08Speaker 1: because of the wind and the elephants.
- 17:10Speaker 3: I mean I can see, yeah, I'm going to wild.
- 17:17Speaker 2: It's a rap.
- 17:18Speaker 3: It's a wrap from my side, nothing more from my side.
- 17:20Speaker 10: Thank you, Thank you.
- 17:23Speaker 3: Back to making Your Morning in La and the c
- 17:27Speaker 3: I Love on nine four seven