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Trap Lore Ross Breaks Down Lil Durk Trial, King Von, Q50 & Chicago Drill The Real Report · The Real Report with Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda

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  Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, Trav, I want the
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  Speaker 1: people to know that you want Dirk to come home, correct?
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  Speaker 2: Do I want Dirk to come home?
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  Speaker 3: I don't care. I really don't care.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want him to come home, yes or no?
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  Speaker 2: I want to see him resolve the last two charges
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  Speaker 2: that he's got and whatever the result is.
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  Speaker 1: I respect it. But do you want him as a
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  Speaker 1: fan of a little Dirk music?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want him to resolve it. I want him
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  Speaker 3: to resolve it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a difference. You got to let him answer that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a difference. Do you want to see Dirk come home,
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  Speaker 1: yes or no? He didn't get stabbed. Shut the fuck up, man.
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  Speaker 3: BRUHLERS!
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  Speaker 1: BRUHLERS! HOW DO YOU GET MOVIES WHERE?
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  Speaker 3: OW! RIMBLE! Yeah, it's the talk of New York, Tony Ayo.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the boy Uncle Murda, a.k.a. Ledgett Lenny.
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  Speaker 4: And welcome to the Real Report Show, where things always
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  Speaker 4: get real. Make some noise for Trap Lord Ron.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this is going to be interesting today.
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  Speaker 4: Trap Lord, I got to thank Vlad TV for connecting
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  Speaker 4: me with you. Straight from London. I appreciate you coming here.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I watch you damn near every day. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you're one of the guys in media to watch. Shout
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  Speaker 4: out to your show on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: I see you got it.
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  Speaker 4: Two pages, one is like in the millions and the
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  Speaker 4: other one is like a half a million. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to get to that later. I'm going to ask you
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  Speaker 4: about that later. But I watched everything you do from
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  Speaker 4: the Vaughn serial killer story.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get in that. To the Jacksonville wars.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get in that. To MO3 case. To
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  Speaker 3: of course, Dirk Trial. Free Dirk, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: We always want a free Dirk. Free Dirk, man. Free Dirk.
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  Speaker 4: But we going to start off, I got to start
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  Speaker 4: off with Dirk Trial first. You was there from day
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  Speaker 4: one to the end. You know, there was fans out there.
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  Speaker 4: Some people liked you. Some people hate you. You had security.
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  Speaker 4: I see you got big man out there. You always
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  Speaker 4: go with security.
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  Speaker 3: I always told these guys, don't mess with these guys.
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  Speaker 4: These are podcasting guys and streamers. They got professional security, y'all.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me what day one was like of Dirk Trial.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it was crazy. I just want to say thank
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  Speaker 2: you for having me here. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: We thank you for being here, man.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is a blessing, man. This is amazing. I'm
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  Speaker 2: so grateful. So I It was crazy, to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you. So, you know, if anybody that's been following
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  Speaker 2: me for a while, they know that, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: do these documentaries. Really, I'm a homebody. I usually just
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  Speaker 2: be at home doing my research, you know, on different websites, Reddit, Google, YouTube,
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  Speaker 2: police reports, you know, legal paperwork, anything I can about
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  Speaker 2: a case. My whole thing is like, I like to
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  Speaker 2: learn just everything there is, all the lyrics, all the reports,
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  Speaker 2: any other document, just everything. So I've been covering this
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  Speaker 2: David case of that singer who was found.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just a little girl. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, rest in peace to Celeste, a horrible situation.
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  Speaker 2: But so that was my first experience.
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  Speaker 3: I was in L.A.
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  Speaker 2: At the time and I just said, oh, I wonder
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  Speaker 2: if it's difficult to get into the courthouse. Maybe I'll
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  Speaker 2: just see what's going on with some of these hearings.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I went over to the courthouse and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I learned very quickly that in the U.S., you know, it's.
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  Speaker 2: is your right as an American, if you're being accused
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  Speaker 2: of a crime by the state, it's your right to
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  Speaker 2: have a public trial.
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  Speaker 3: It's transparent.
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  Speaker 2: They can't hide that from the public. They can't secretly
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  Speaker 2: put charges on you and put you away forever without
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  Speaker 2: people being able to come and check and watch what's
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  Speaker 2: going on. So after that, I started going to all
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  Speaker 2: of the David hearing dates. And obviously, you know, I'd
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  Speaker 2: covered Lil Durk for years. I'd done different documentaries about him,
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  Speaker 2: King Von, obviously that situation, Oblock, all of that was
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  Speaker 2: very close to Lil Durk. And so When that happened,
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  Speaker 2: I said, well, let me go down and start covering that.
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  Speaker 2: So I went to some of the pre-trial hearings, not
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  Speaker 2: all of them, because I wasn't in LA the whole
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  Speaker 2: time for the pre-trial. But I went to one of
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  Speaker 2: the early pre-trial hearings about a month before the actual
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  Speaker 2: trial started. And I was surprised there weren't that many
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  Speaker 2: people there. A couple medias, like a woman from Rolling Stone.
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  Speaker 2: There was like a, I think she was like a
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  Speaker 2: law student that was there. You know, a couple other
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  Speaker 2: different people covering the case. And tons of space. You
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  Speaker 2: could just walk straight in. I mean, the federal building
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of security. But I was surprised. I'm thinking, Dirk,
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  Speaker 2: a superstar. Why are there not more people for this hearing?
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  Speaker 2: And it was funny because I was at the David
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  Speaker 2: preliminary hearings. And I said to a few people there
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  Speaker 2: that were more like veteran journalists and media. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, you guys are going to be covering
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  Speaker 2: the Dirk trial. And some of them said, who's Dirk?
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  Speaker 2: Some of the mainstream media and other companies, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: know anything about Lil Dirk. So I was thinking like, oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the half of what's about to transpire
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  Speaker 2: in this Dirk trial. This is going to be huge
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  Speaker 2: because anybody that listens to rap and drill knows Dirk
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  Speaker 2: is a big deal. These charges were a big deal
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  Speaker 2: when he first got arrested. It was enormous news back in,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was October 24th, 2024 that he got arrested.
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  Speaker 2: But obviously the, you know, the alleged murder happened two
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  Speaker 2: years before that. And there was a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: leading up to it. So I was thinking when this
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  Speaker 2: trial happens, it's going to be the, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be the biggest thing in rap for years. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's maybe the biggest rap hip hop, trial ever right
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  Speaker 2: bigger than the young thug trial not that it's a
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  Speaker 2: competition but just i just felt like this is a
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  Speaker 2: really big big deal and i couldn't believe some people
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  Speaker 2: didn't know but as the days went on as we
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  Speaker 2: got closer to.
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  Speaker 3: The real trial day one because how many days was it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh man there's been debate because there was two days
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  Speaker 2: of jury selection and so some people count those i
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  Speaker 2: was counting those as days of the trial some people
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  Speaker 2: weren't but you know dirk's in court for all of
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  Speaker 2: those days we came we observed jury selection they went
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  Speaker 2: from 80 to well 16, 12 jurors and then four alternates.
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  Speaker 2: So I counted those two days and then it was
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  Speaker 2: basically like, I think it was two straight weeks of testimony.
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  Speaker 2: So loads of witnesses, witness testimony, FBI agents. Dirk then
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  Speaker 2: had all of his people and it was a day,
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  Speaker 2: half a day even. It was from lunchtime to 4.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: All of Dirk's witnesses were done and it was very controversial,
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  Speaker 2: but I felt like Dirk's witnesses weren't the best.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they....
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  Speaker 2: Some of them, it didn't maybe go the way that
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  Speaker 2: they were thinking, but at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: it didn't make a difference. But then I believe it
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  Speaker 2: was one day for the closing arguments. And then I
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  Speaker 2: think there was, it was Labor Day. So it was
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  Speaker 2: four days of, three days of deliberation. So I would say,
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  Speaker 2: what's that? Four, 14, 14 to 16 days, depending off
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  Speaker 2: your count in the jury selection days. And obviously Labor
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  Speaker 2: Day was a day off in there. So yeah, about
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  Speaker 2: 16 days total that I was on the full-blown trial.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, Every day it got bigger. The first couple
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  Speaker 2: of days I was just going normally with no security
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  Speaker 2: and then things start happening. Then I had one security
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  Speaker 2: and then things got crazy. I had two security and
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  Speaker 2: then on the last day I had three. And if
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  Speaker 2: you saw that picture of me on the final day
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  Speaker 2: getting out of there, it.
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  Speaker 3: Was like a whole mob. I was glad I had three.
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  Speaker 3: Rob Markman What's the thought process?
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  Speaker 4: Because I remember one day you were shooting and some
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  Speaker 4: weird guy came in your shot and was behind you.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like a real weird character.
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  Speaker 2: I found some more info about that guy, man. I've
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  Speaker 2: not even spoken about this publicly yet, but I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to, I think that guy was paid and sent
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  Speaker 2: to come and mess with me, to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: I found that guy on a casting website like a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks later and I was thinking, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that guy was like paid to come mess with.
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  Speaker 1: Me, like crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a paid actor.
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  Speaker 3: It was weird, man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to break that down some more, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: bear in mind, right? That first, I went to the
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  Speaker 2: whole David hearings. David was five or six days, five days,
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  Speaker 2: I think, of just straight, It was a preliminary hearings.
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  Speaker 2: So we went over quite a lot of the David
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  Speaker 2: evidence and they basically made the case if there was
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  Speaker 2: probable cause to charge him and put him to trial,
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  Speaker 2: which obviously there was. I mean, the David case was just,
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  Speaker 2: the evidence was horrific.
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  Speaker 1: That was bad.
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  Speaker 2: Awful, awful stuff. But so I didn't need security for that.
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  Speaker 2: There was no issues with that. Nothing happened. But when
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  Speaker 2: I went to the Dirk trial, it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: like first couple of days, the pre-trial, it was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: nothing's going on. I didn't really think nothing of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a federal building.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's like, Jury selection wasn't so bad, but
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  Speaker 2: it was getting a little bit, I don't know, more
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  Speaker 2: people wanting to talk to me. You know, I'm grateful
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  Speaker 2: that I've got fans and people that know me that
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  Speaker 2: want to come talk to me. But yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: like that first second day of the week after the
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  Speaker 2: jury selection when the trial was still first going on. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was talk of informants and jam hitting
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  Speaker 2: the stand. That's when people started messing with me outside.
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  Speaker 2: The first guy, I think, popped out with like the
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  Speaker 2: meta glasses on and was trying to press me. And
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  Speaker 2: then it just devolved from there, man. There was just
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff that just, it just escalated, you know?
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  Speaker 4: So what's your thought process to even do that? Because
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  Speaker 4: after that, I seen Shout to Setty Nash. I watched
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  Speaker 4: his show too. He was at the trial after. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: what makes you think out of the box to do
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  Speaker 4: things first? Like, yo, I'm going to go to third trial.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to cover that now. Instead of, you know,
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: being in your studio relaxing and shooting because you make
• 8:34
  Speaker 4: money regardless to what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's funny because I was saying, we
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  Speaker 2: mentioned 1090 Jake earlier, and he basically was just at
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  Speaker 2: home reacting to the trial, doing like half a million
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: views every year. Jake probably doing.
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  Speaker 3: Bigger numbers than me, but.
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  Speaker 2: People appreciate his perspective because he'd been through the streets
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  Speaker 2: and he'd been through the system. I completely understand why
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  Speaker 2: he does crazy views, so I respect him massively. But
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  Speaker 2: for me, I really felt a personal connection to this
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  Speaker 2: particular case. I've been covering Dirk for years.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, bear in mind, I was covering King Von
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  Speaker 2: when he was alive.
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  Speaker 3: There's a tweet- Oh, you know I know that. I
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  Speaker 3: know about that, right? Come on, it's been years. You've
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: been in the game, bro.
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  Speaker 2: The serial killer documentary on King Von was a little
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  Speaker 2: while after he passed away. But when Von was alive
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  Speaker 2: in 2020 before he passed away, I did a whole
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  Speaker 2: piece about the KI murder. Von was pissed off and
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: his team was trying to take my YouTube channel down.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: They nearly took my channel down. They pressed me and
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: I had to edit some.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: Stuff to keep my channel- Do you understand why they
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: wanted you to take that down?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I can understand why, yeah. But it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I can understand why, but then it's also, I can't
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  Speaker 2: understand why you would want to rap about that stuff
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  Speaker 2: and put it out there, but then get mad when
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  Speaker 2: people are talking about it. But I felt like there
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  Speaker 2: was a big.
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  Speaker 1: You enjoy the music?
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  Speaker 2: I love the music.
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  Speaker 1: So then you can't, so you see how it's like
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  Speaker 1: a double side. You're like, yo, I like the music.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. But then I want to highlight things
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  Speaker 1: about the music that could potentially get these guys in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, I totally understand what you're saying, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't see it as me getting the guys in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: I see it as me just pointing out something that
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  Speaker 2: is just in front of my face. Like King Von,
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  Speaker 2: for example, he had a lot of songs where he
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  Speaker 2: was talking about murders that he had done. I don't
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: want to say the word, but he, you know, allegedly
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  Speaker 2: he killed a female who liked other females and he
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: got a song talking about we shooting everybody, even the
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: D words in here. And it's like, He was putting
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  Speaker 2: that out there, letting people know there really was like
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  Speaker 2: a female that had been killed. And, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: case was out there and he's got lyrics about it.
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  Speaker 2: There's IG lives where they're talking about they smoking on KI.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, I understand why. It's like he mad
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  Speaker 2: that I'm bringing attention to it, but he bringing attention
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  Speaker 2: to it on songs. Bear in mind, I would say
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  Speaker 2: the one thing I always want to point out is
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: it's like Dirk, for example, right? You know, my coverage
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  Speaker 2: of Dirk, it's got millions of views, but Dirk has
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  Speaker 2: billions of streams talking about the stuff that was going
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: on in the trial. That stuff is out there publicly.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: It's been publicized by Dirk. Like Vaughn was, Vaughn, I
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: don't think anybody wanted to know Vaughn had seven bodies
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: more than Vaughn. Like Vaughn on IG Live talking about, hey,
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  Speaker 2: how many you think I got, gang? Like on, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's more than five. On, oh, it's more than five.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: Like merch net on his hood that he's got more
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: than five.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: Those be allegedly, and this be for entertainment purposes. Sometimes
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: people trying to build reputations, entertainment, you know?
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: That, I think that's the thing with King Vaughn. It
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: was definitely for entertainment purposes, but then it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you looked into it, those things were true. He
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  Speaker 2: was using it as entertainment, but those were people that
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: he allegedly took their lives. And it's kind of like,
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not the one responsible for that. I'm just pointing
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  Speaker 2: out what's going on in society. And I think that
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, there's like a duality of man.
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  Speaker 2: I think King Von is a man that had, he
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: was very complicated. He had different sides. He was very
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  Speaker 2: talented at music. He was allegedly very talented at the
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: stuff he had going on in the streets. And he
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: was very smart about the way that he operated. But
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  Speaker 2: then he also tweeted about everything that he did. And,
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: you know, there's hits and then there's tweets right after
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  Speaker 2: where he's talking about, like, you wouldn't believe the stuff
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  Speaker 2: I'd done. He got one famous tweet where he's like,
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: he's like, I really didn't can name, was it? He
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: can name 10 GDs I've shot and five I've killed
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: and 10 I've shot and all stuff like that. And
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: so it's kind of like he making a spectacle of
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  Speaker 2: all this going on.
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  Speaker 1: He can say that, but it don't mean it's true.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Hold on, let me talk.
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  Speaker 1: He could say that, right? But it don't mean it's true.
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  Speaker 2: But in his case, it seemingly was true.
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  Speaker 1: You could say seemingly, but it don't mean it's actually true, Ross.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It don't mean it's true.
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  Speaker 1: He could say these things because rappers do it all day.
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  Speaker 1: You might talk about certain things from your neighborhood or
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood, but it don't mean it's true or you
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: was the one responsible for doing these things.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: So when you was saying you got shot in the head, right?
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: And then it kind of- You talking about me, right? Yeah. Yeah, see,
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: I lied about that. Yeah, yeah. I lied about getting
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: shot in the head.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: And so it came out later that it was embellished,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: that it was glass that hit you, right?
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Why did you say you got shot.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: In the head? Entertainment. Right?
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: But for the purpose of gaining attention, gaining traction for
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: your music career?
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: But let's say you really got shot in the head
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: and survived.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: You would do the same thing, right?
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: But would we not be saying, yo, Uncle M really
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: got shot in the head. This is crazy. Like, It's
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: really proven. We actually can prove that he got a
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: shot in the head. Do you not think that like
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: the fact that you put that out there because you
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: knew it would be something people would talk about. I
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: think it's like the fact is with King Von, it's
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: like he was doing the same thing. But then upon
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: closer inspection, them seven people really not here anymore. And
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: he really tweeted after every single murder. And there ain't
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: really no alternative theory or there ain't no like. it
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: turns out Vaughn was really capping. He's seemingly, I mean,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: he's not alive anymore, so I can't defame him, but
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: it seems like he killed- But they didn't prove.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: They didn't say he did it. He never was charged
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: for these things.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Well, he was charged with one that he beat, and
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: then they exceptionally cleared the KI murder and said that
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: he was the one that did it a couple years
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: after he passed away.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I feel like after he passed away, they was just
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: trying to say anything at that point, trying to maybe
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: put certain things on the dude after that.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: You know what it was, Murda?
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: Me watching serial killer King Vaughn with Trap Lil Ross.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: Vaughn will tweet and say, death is in the air.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: And it's at like 5.05 o'clock, right? It's like 5.05.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: By 5.15, the nigga's dead. So that was the thing
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: about Serial Killer. His point was, he was tweeting and
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: shit was really happening like 10 minutes later. Like, yo,
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: I feel like eating cereal today. It was just a
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: lot of shit with Vaughn because that's what the kids
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: was buying into. Just like with G-Unit back in the
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: days when the Suburbian kids, and he was buying into
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: the 50 Cent story. He got shot the fuck up,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: street dude. They buying into that, but now it's on
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: a whole nother level because it's social media and we
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: know Chirac is like a never ending circle of violence.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: That's all you hear every day. I've been watching this
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Q50 story. got killed, and it was like motherfuckers getting
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: killed like every other day after that.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Go into that, because he'll tell you about that.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: A motherfucker went up there and was like playing around,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: doing a meme, and he got killed.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I seen that a couple days ago. Yeah, I
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: seen that.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: But I I understand what you're saying, though, and I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: do respect your opinion, what you're saying with Vaughn. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: think it's a case of, though, like the reason I
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: use that example is just a case of like, you know,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you knew as a rapper and you've marketed yourself amazingly,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: you know, and I grew up listening to both of
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you guys and, you know, understanding the stories.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: And like, you know, I remember being younger.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we were talking outside, you know, 50 getting shot
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: nine times was always this crazy thing to me. I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: had a poster of him on my wall. And I
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: just thought, how can you survive that and still be
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: out here going diamond, being successful? I remember hearing the
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: story about you getting shot and just thinking like, it
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: was like some shit to me. It was just like, how, like,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: like you were super, like, how is that even possible?
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: So I think it's almost in a kind of inverse
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: in a dark way that people are so obsessed with
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: King Von, because bear in mind, I didn't make up
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: that he's got seven murders and put it on him
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to trash his reputation. He left the breadcrumbs of that.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: as marketing for his career in a similar way that
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you would have done in your career that worked. And,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: you know, that's part of why, part of why Von
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: was so successful was because the whispers amongst people listening
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: to him was like, yo, he's a realist. Like, yo,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: he really did that shit. Like he really lived that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So it, to me, it wasn't, it was never that
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to disrespect him or put him down. But
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I think with Von, I feel like one thing that
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I find difficult is people kind of come at me like,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I've said.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: This before, right?
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: It's like, People are like, oh, you didn't know that
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: he really did that. Why are you putting that on Vaughn?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, if Vaughn was alive in this room and
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you said, hey, you got no bodies, you didn't do shit,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Vaughn would slap you across the face. Like, Vaughn was
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: really serious. Like, Vaughn wasn't out here trying to tell people,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't do nothing, bro. I ain't got no bodies. Like,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that ain't happening. Vaughn was out here on some little, like, hey,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you know what's going on with Vaughn. You know, Vaughn
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: big GDK and he, you know what I'm saying? He really, like,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: posting Instagram stories of, like, seven skulls. Like, yeah, now
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like, type stuff. So he wanted... He wanted
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: someone like me to pick up on those breadcrumbs, but
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I think it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Is- He didn't want you saying something. You see, his
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: team said, take that shit down, Trapp. He didn't want
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you putting that shit up there. He didn't want you
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: highlighting it. You know what it is? He didn't want
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you playing internet detective.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Here's what I think.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: They call you internet detective.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: No, they do.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yes, all right, cool. So he didn't
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: want you playing internet detective.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I think he wasn't expecting someone to be as good
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: as being an internet detective as I was, and then
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: he was like, oh shit, I might have put a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: little too much about this. Bear in mind- The KI story,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: it was kind of out of his hands because one
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: of the things that surfaced, I didn't do this. I'm
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: not a hacker. I didn't get this information. But like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: one of the things that was circulating, and I didn't
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: put this out there, but like KI was killed in 2014.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: King Von, look, King Von was active. When King Von
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: was on the streets, people was dying back to back
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: to back to back. And then when he was locked up.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Slow down a little bit.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: When you was on the streets, people was dying.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Trap?
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, but let me get, let me get, let
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: me land on this.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: People die when you're on the streets. I know what
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you're saying. You can't be putting it on like that,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: but go ahead. I know what you're saying.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But he got picked up for another murder, say like
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: two months after the KI murder, right? He ends up
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: beating that murder. I don't know if you know the
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: story about Big Mike, but basically Von's homie gets picked
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: up by the police. He does some dumb stuff. He
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: basically says, I bust off shots, but I didn't kill
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the guy. Von says nothing. So the guy, they're thinking
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the guy's going to snitch. Really, he's just accidentally implicated himself,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Big Mike. Big Mike ends up going down for it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Jury decides there's not enough evidence on Von. Von never
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: says anything to anyone, sits down for like, I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: it was about three years or so, and then gets out.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: But when he gets out, bear in mind, KI's been
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: dead for like three years. No one's really done anything
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: about it. They can't get to the bottom of it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: You know, years later, people that are with her are
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: doing interviews saying, yeah, I was there.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: It was Vaughn.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: But somebody hacked into K.I. 's Twitter account, you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: years after she was dead when Vaughn's a rapper. We're
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: talking like 2019, I think. And so like somebody on
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: 4chan that's followed this Chicago scene really closely hacks into K.I.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: 's Twitter and then leaks all of these DMs between
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Vaughn and K.I., that have never been seen before. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, Von's trying to meet up with her, trying
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to get her location. They going back and forth and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: nobody's seen this, but that was already put out there.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Everyone was talking about it. There's all different kinds of
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: threads about these DMs with Von and KI. And you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the coldest thing, you would have seen this in the documentary,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: but like, I think it was, I can't remember what
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: channel it was. I want to say, is it, forget
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the actual, the channel, but there was like a TV
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: documentary about KI, Jakira, the gang girl. And they interviewed
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Von in that documentary. And he's in that interview, like
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: smoking a blunt, being like, I miss her, man.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: That was my bitch.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: We was together every day. Come to find out he
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: actually allegedly was the one that killed her. But when
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: you watch that clip back, he trolled, he in the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: documentary about.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Her life trolling.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And then like the foot, the messages between them circulating
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: on 4chan, people have hacked the messages.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So it's like alleged messages. Cause we don't even know
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: if those is real trap nowadays. People so good. with
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the way they be putting shit together, we don't even
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: know if those messages was really real.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: True, but this was before the.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: AI- Even before AI, people had fake messages. It was
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: a way to push it together. So we don't even
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: know if those messages was actually true.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: See, that's the shit you be doing sometimes.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: No, I agree though.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Like, we gotta make sure.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: But what I do, I think what I do is like,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I bring together all the information about a topic together.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I agree, if the only thing that connected King Von
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: to the murder of KI was just this set of messages,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't really feel like that's enough. I wouldn't be
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: convinced by that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly. That's not enough to go, yes, he did this. No.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But then he's got his own lyrics talking about it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: We've then got testimony from other people saying, yeah, he
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: did it. You've then got the Chicago police say that
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: he matched the description. He's got a bunch of lyrics
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: talking about it. And then he tweeting about it afterwards. Like,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you put all that was
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: my whole thing. It's like I get everything there is.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I put it together and I say it looks looks
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: like that's what was going on.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: About traps and I get it all together. You want
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to be a cop. I don't want to be a cop.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be a cop.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to know. Because traps and I get
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: all the information together. Then I'm about to go crazy
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: on this shit.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I explain to murder sometimes?
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I tell them like, certain guys, if you kill a
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: favorite rapper, the detectives, they're coming for you. They're going
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: to be on Reddit. They're going to be in the comments.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Like somebody will get murdered, for instance. Like he'll come
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: with something. What I like about his style is when
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: he covers something, he goes in the comments. And people
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: is telling you, well, he'll be like, yo, after Q50
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: got shot.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: You mean he's arguing with the people.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: In the comments? No, he's not arguing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: He's reading the comments. And in the comments, they'll be like, well,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Q50 got killed. This guy, three people got shot. Not
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: condoling violence, but hope they, you know, survive.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: A lady and everything.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: And people will be like, well, it's over Q50 getting killed.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: And people will praise it like, oh, they turning up.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And then people in the comments would be like, it
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: wasn't them. It was them on the other side. People
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: are willingly giving you the information. Not only just the artists,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: but it's not even internet detectives. If somebody don't like you,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: they're like, man, fuck it. Yo, yeah, they didn't do that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: We did that. They didn't put in that work. Or
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: it's like social media is the new streets. So we
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: be mad like, We'll say it's self-snitching or whatever, but people,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: everybody's showing what they got, what they doing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: So you can't really get mad at him. He's just
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: giving you- No, I'm not mad at that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Not you. I'm not mad at that trap. I'm just
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: kicking it with him. I want to know, understand. You
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like why certain things, why you
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: do this? Do you feel normally like right now, like damn,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: if I do dig into some certain information, it probably
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: could lead to somebody actually losing their freedom.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I personally don't believe that's true. but this is a
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: big point of debate. I feel like we're not going
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to agree on this. I think a really great example
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: is like this Dirk case, okay? I've been talking about
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: this for quite a long time before Dirk was locked up.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: But if you'd been following that situation, again, I don't
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: know how closely, I know, I'm sure we're all fans
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of Dirk's music, but I don't know how closely you followed,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: you know, the beef and the drama. Obviously, like, When
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: King Von died and the way that he died, he
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: was trying to beat up Kondo Rondo.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: It was all out there.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But it seemed obvious if you'd follow Dirk's music and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you'd listen to Dirk's music that there was this whole
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: slide for Von thing. So when you turn on the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: news in August 2022 and you see Kondo's on the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: street next to his dead cousin screaming no and it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: on TMZ and it's everywhere, again, I'm not wanting Dirk
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to be locked up. I'm not the reason that Dirk's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: locked up. But I think a lot of people saw
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: that and immediately saw that and was like, bro, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: know what this is about. I don't think anybody saw
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Kondo screaming no on the news two years after the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: King Von thing, after countless songs where they're talking about,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: we're going to slide, we're going to do this and that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: He'd already been shot at once in 2021. I don't
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: think anybody saw that and thought like, oh, that's random.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: That's just some random stuff.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Well, that's LA. It could be. Sometimes things happen in LA.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: You told my rappers, with jewelry, people out there, could
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: have been a robbery.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Things happen.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: It's LA. It is dangerous in LA. It could have been, right?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But then as time went on, it unraveled and it
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: became that there was evidence, right? There was evidence that
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the cops were... And what was interesting is, I think
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I made a video about that probably, I can't remember
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the exact date, but probably like six months after it happened.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And by that point, People have gone on podcasts talking
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: about it, talking about there's no more Slide4Von. I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: it was just under a year that Dirk went on Academics,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: his own podcast. Bear in mind, before Dirk's locked up
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: for this, he's gone on Academics, his podcast. And this
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: was a big part of the case, and no disrespect
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to Academics, because Dirk chose to go on that podcast
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and make those comments. He went on there and he
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: made those comments and he said, they don't say Slide4Von
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: no more. They say, for some odd reason, I don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: know why, we're different in the rec. It must be
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: something in the water, but it's like, Look, we love
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Dirk's music. Dirk's a cool guy, but that was like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: he's some real Don Corleone. People knew what he was
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: talking about with that, right? Now, it wasn't enough to
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: convict him. I agree with that. He got found not
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: guilty on all those murder for hire charges. But as
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: far as actually the case that was being built against him,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he himself left a lot of breadcrumbs for the cops
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to at least build the case. Now, fortunately for him,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: he's been found not guilty on five of seven charges.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: As it currently stands, there's still two.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Free Dirk, he's not guilty, Trapp.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: He's not guilty of murder for hire and stalking.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's not guilty.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: He's not guilty of murder for hire and stalking. Right now,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: he's still got two outstanding charges and we're going to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: find out. People are saying that they're going to drop
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: those charges. They might still happen. But what I'm trying
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to say, so I'm saying it a roundabout way, but
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like what happened with Dirk is a similar
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: thing that happened with Vaughn is that like there was,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: what would it have been like two years and four
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: months or so where Dirk was out here doing exactly
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: what Von did. He was dropping hints and hints and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: hints that he was responsible. He got multiple songs where
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: he make in front of Quando Rondo talking about, no,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that's what he said.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: No, he's just making music.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: But the feds are going to use it. No, no, no.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: They're going to use it. That's all I'm saying is
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: the feds are going to use that. We know that,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: which is not right. They shouldn't be able to use
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: music in no case, which is not right. We should
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: do it if the feds.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Are going to use it. You think they should?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like in that case, it He was on
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the song screaming, no.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: No, Trapp, see, this is where we got to get you.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: This is where we got to change your mind, Trapp, no.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: You can't be a fan of him.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: You can't be a fan of this man and saying, no,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: they should be able to use his music to send
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: him to jail for the rest of his life.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: No, Trapp. No, I don't agree with that. But that's
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: not what I'm saying.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: No, Trapp. We got to get you to the prison.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: But we know the feds. Because I want you to
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: get accepted more by the hood.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Because you seem like a good guy, cool guy.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: But Trapp, we know the feds are going to use
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: that anyway. They're using music, lyrics, pictures.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to get Trapp to understand is
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: that he shouldn't want them because he's saying they should
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: be able to use the music. to put us in jail.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: No trap.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: That's not right.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying they should
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: just be able to use music to put you in jail.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that like, if you've snitched on
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: yourself in a song and then that's combined with other
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: evidence that builds up a picture that you did this,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I don't see why that shouldn't be used.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: No, because they can't prove what you're saying in your
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: music is true. You're just making music for entertainment's and purpose.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But that's why the music is combined with other evidence.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: This is why, don't get me wrong.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I want to criminalize rap music by
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: any means. Would you not, if you were in the studio-
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But you know it sounds like that. It could sound
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: like that when you say, why not? Why shouldn't they
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: be able to use the music? But shouldn't the message
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: really just be like, don't tell on yourself and your music?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Like if you were in the studio with Dirk and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: he's in there rapping, they said, no, I said, let's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: go to war about it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Where he go?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I said, this.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Would have more got him. You can't say, oh, he's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: talking about this and feel like he's, no, you can't.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: They tried to.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: They tried to. It didn't work. That's what I'm saying.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: It didn't work. And it shouldn't be able to work.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I just think if you get on the song and
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you tell on yourself, if that matches up with other evidence,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I just don't see the problem. I'm not saying rap
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: should be criminalized. I would have told Dirk. If I
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: was in the studio with Dirk, I would have said, bro,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: are you sure you want to do all that?
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: He got multiple songs doing the no. He got multiple songs.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: What's the lyric where he says, they're saying slide for Vaughn.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I know they're trolling me. And he's got the one
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: where he says, they said, get it back in blood.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: We've been sliding. They just don't know we have. and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: shit like that. And it's just like, when they played
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: that in court.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: You looking too deep into it, Trapp. It's just music.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: What else is there?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It's sound good. It's music. He's just making music. It
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: sound good. You saying that like, he's saying that we've
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: been sliding the music, so it gotta be true. They
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: had to go commit those crimes.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Allegedly, they had been sliding.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Dirk has been cleared of all crimes. He hasn't been
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: doing that. He's facing two more. Let's hope he get
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: through that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Trap, murder. Let's be real.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I listen to Bloodhound Lil Jeff, rest in peace. I
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: listen to Q50. I listen to King Von. I listen
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: to Polo G. I listen to mainly artists in Chicago.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: I buy into the story. We all buy into them
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: being real. Rest in peace, Bloodhound Lil Jeff. He say,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I got eight hats. I'm going to lids in my lyrics.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: He's letting you know, I got eight. We don't know
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: if it's true. We don't know if it's not. You're
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: right about that, but that's what, are we guilty for
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: buying into the violent music? Because I listen to that shit.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: And I follow Trap Lil Ross, and I be on YouTube,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: and I be addicted to it too, as well as
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: a kid that's in suburbia, that's in the neighborhood.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: It's entertainment.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: It's like me going to watch a Scarface movie, but
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: it's fucking real life. So if the artist ain't real,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: motherfuckers ain't going to buy into you anyway. So you
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: got to show niggas you gangster. So whose fault is it, really?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: But you got to just understand your power. So I'm
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: trying to let Trap Lord Ross understand his power. When
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you got these platforms in your voice. So when you
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: say certain things, they might take it as, oh, well,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: he's right. He said it. So Dirk got to be
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: guilty because that's what Trap Lord Ross think. And you
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: might not even all the way think that. You just
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: feel like, well, hey, because he said it in the song,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I believe because he said it in the song. I'm
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: not saying it's true, but I kind of believe it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: because he said it in the song. Or, nah, we
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: can't put.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: That message out there like that. I think a lot
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: of fans get mad at him because he give the facts. Like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: and he might say, oh, it's not looking for dirt
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: good one day.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: One day, you know, you'll be like, oh, shit, why
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: trap Lord Seda? It's not looking for dirt. But you're
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: going to watch it. And then the next day, he's like, oh,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: now his lawyer's catching wind.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It's entertainment. It's media.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: When Channel 7, 11, Fox 5, or anybody reports anything,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: nobody gets mad at them. You know, I think sometimes
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: people think personal about things because it's a white man
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: saying it. And that's just being the truth. Like him
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: or Vlad, they'll be like, oh shit. But he takes
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: the time to do the homework to actually figure it out.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: First example, like I'm going to ask you, he followed
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: every crime scene.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: And I know you're going to be like, this is crazy.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: He followed every- You see this?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: To their trial.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: He took time to go to every spot Of the
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: crime scene, the gas station, where they met up with this,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: where they supposedly bought the ski mask, did all that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But why so invested, Trap? Why so invested? Why be
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so invested like that?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a lifetime fan of hip hop. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: really just grew up listening to rap. I remember when
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Chicago Drill first came out.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So stop it right there for one minute, right? Look,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you say you're a fan of hip hop, right? Then
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I just asked you earlier, I said, you're a fan
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of Dirk, right? You say, yes. So then why would
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you want to see the lyrics make this man go
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to jail? Like you guys, that's why I go trap.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: That's why I go trap. We got to get your
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: mind to feel like it's either you a fan, you
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: with us, or you want to see us go down. No,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like- You got to pick one a little bit.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You're making a sweeping generalization because I feel like one,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: you know, gangster rap isn't rap in general. This, bear
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in mind, we're talking about a small subsection of rap, okay?
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And specifically when we're talking about Dirk, I don't want
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Dirk to be in jail, but look, somebody shot up
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: a gas station in Beverly Hills with a switch and
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: someone who died. And the guy that got killed ain't
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: got nothing to do with no King Von.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: It was an innocent.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Lil' Pab was an innocent man that got killed. Someone
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: needed to be held account. You can't just shoot off
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a machine gun. You can't shoot off a switch in
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. I see the footage of that shooting. There's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: just random people at the other gas pumps running for cover.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: It's... You know you're going to go down. If you
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: shoot up in Times Square, you're going to go down.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: If you shoot by the Beverly Center, you're going to
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: go down, bro. If you shoot in front of the
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: White House, you're going to go down. That's the way
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I see it. Like, yo, you know if you're going
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to do this, you're going down. Now, if you're somewhere
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: in the hood by a train station, you might not
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: go down. There might not be no cameras. You might
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: go down. But if you in Times Square, you do
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: some shit, you know you're going down.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: The crime was crazy.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Because I remember when that came out on the news.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And you've seen that footage of Quando Rondo screaming, no,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: it's horrible. I've seen the uncensored footage of that and
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the body cam in court. You know, we've seen Lil
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Pab take his last breath.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It was horrible.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I've seen Lil Pab's mother in court breaking down at
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: this stuff.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Condolences to the family. Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Rest in peace.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And, you know, that was meant for Quando, allegedly. And,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: you know, two people were convicted and found guilty of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the stalking that resulted in death.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Dirk beat all of his charges.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: No murder for height... Dirk was clear to those five charges,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: but the two guys that were found guilty of that stalking,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I think there was a small amount of justice. But
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: it's not a case of I'm just putting all rappers
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and lyricists on trial. I'm talking about a very specific,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a very ultra-violent subset of hip-hop that I've followed since
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: it was first founded in 2012. I remember being young,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: driving around the countryside of England, listening to Chief Keef
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: when he first dropped Three Hunter, thinking this is some
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of the craziest music I've ever heard in my life.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: And I followed Chicago drill music just through all of
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: these years seeing Dirk go from nothing to being one
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: of the biggest rap artists in the whole world. But
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: it always blew my mind because I remember when that happened,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it's like, bro, you really shot up Beverly Hills with
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a machine gun. It was obvious what was going on
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: with Kondo. Look, people tried to say, oh, it was unrelated.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I felt like, yo,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Dirk been rapping about this murder for a couple of years,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: really putting it in people's faces. It was a horrible crime.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: They hit the wrong guy.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: He's allegedly rapping about the murders. They just rapping. Allegedly.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: He's allegedly rapping about the murders. But look, if you're
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that much of a fan, do you understand where these
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: guys come from? How hard they had it growing up?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So do you be like, yo, damn, you got to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: understand that as well.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I got the utmost sympathy. And again, I want people
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: to understand it. If you watch my long, deep dive
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: breakdown documentaries, I really try and give the extra context
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: as to why these things are happening, especially when it
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: comes to Chicago. There's a lot of documentaries I've done
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: where I try and talk about the socioeconomic reasons that
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: people are pushed in these situations. One of my favorite
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: pieces I've done, I did a video about Tay Savage,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: if you know about him. Been through a lot of stuff,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: been through some real situations. And in that video, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: talk about where he comes from, Welch World, his block,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and Bronzeville. And basically, I talk about how this area
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: was like, they call it the Black Metropolis in the
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: 50s and 60s. It was like a real hub of
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: black excellence and black businesses. And then, you know, you
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: had a lot of communities that had congregated in these
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: buildings that the government eventually knocked down and they displaced everybody.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: They ruined the community. You know, they've got things like
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: redlining or they got rid of public housing and they
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: sent people that were all in their own community in
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: one building and just spread them all out across Chicago
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: amongst rivalries. And that's what caused all these different gangs. And,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you know, back in the day it was BDs and GDs,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: but way back in the day, these were kind of
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: almost like community organizations trying to protect the community. But
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, when they spread everybody across all these different areas,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it led to, you know, just these neighborhood wars where
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: people had their area.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: You're trying to survive now. Now you're trying to survive.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: No, so I have sympathies for that and I'll try
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: and cover that and give the context to that. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: at the same time, I.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Don't feel like- Those don't do the numbers for you. No, no, no.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That did numbers.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: That did numbers. Did it do numbers? Yeah, that did numbers.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: See, but I feel like you got to highlight that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. Trap, let the people know, like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm not just trying to, profit off
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the culture or make it look like I'm trying to
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: damn near send motherfuckers to jail. Let them know you
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: with them. Let's get to the root of the problem.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Highlight that a little bit more.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: You know how I see it? In music, in war,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: There's always money.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Back in the days when Biggie and Tupac died, Vibe magazine,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Source magazine, everybody monopolized off of Tupac.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And Biggie beef.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Now you got NBA Youngboy and Dirk was the same thing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Everybody's monopolizing off the beef. We can say what we
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: want to say, but NBA Youngboy had Lil Timmy on
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: stage in Atlanta after he killed Vaughn, right? Illegally, on stage,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: you think that was one of the biggest tours ever,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: made millions of dollars, because everybody bought.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Into the fucking story.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: All I'm saying is everything is pretty much out there,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: so every outlet is going to cover that story, because
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: we're buying into the story. When Boy got killed in LA,
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: niggas are buying into the story. Dirk beat all these cases. Hopefully,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I'm a Dirk fan and I'm an NBA Youngboy fan.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I don't take no sides. So if Dirk beat these cases,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: he's going to go on tour and he's going to
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: be as big as NBA Youngboy, maybe bigger when he
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: beats this. Everybody buys into the story. So that's why
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: the violence don't really stop when you really think about it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Chirac shit, I followed all that. I want to get
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: into the war at Jacksonville. I followed the young and
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: ace and foolio shit. I watched all that shit. Sometimes
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: I try to watch different shows than not watch violent shit.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I just watched A Different World on Netflix. Shout to
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: the mic, because I was a fan of A Different World.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I never thought I'd.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Watch it, because I'm addicted to Scarface and Goodfellas and
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: all the gangster shit we.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Grew up on.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Rob Markman I got to ask you something on that point,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: because I agree with everything you just said, but I
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: get what you're saying. I do feel like if people
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: watch the longer videos that I've done, I try and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: get into socioeconomic reasons that people are pushed to do
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: these things. But at the end of the day, let's
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: be real. This Dirk situation, when Lil Pab was murdered, allegedly,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: it was alleged that Dirk was involved. He was found
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: not guilty. But at this point, he is a multimillionaire
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that allegedly, those allegations, he shouldn't have been involved in
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: these things. And I get what you're saying when it's
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: kill or be killed and you're coming up in the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: streets of Chicago and the guys around the corner have
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: killed your uncle and you've killed their cousin and you're
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: in a dog eat dog I need to just survive
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and get home. I think that's a different scenario from
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: what was alleged was that Dirk was in a $ 35, 000
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: a month Encino mansion, allegedly organizing chess pieces to have
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: someone killed because he wasn't happy about something that King
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Von did. and how that ended up going wrong. So
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I just feel like I do agree with you, but
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's a little bit unfair to try
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and paint... Like Dirk wasn't in No Kill or Be Killed.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like the baby shooting a guy at Walmart
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: to defend himself and his kids. What was alleged that
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Dirk did, he was in a position in life where
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: he was not supposed to be doing those things. And
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: obviously he's been found not guilty of five of those charges.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Because he didn't do those things, Trapp.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: So do you think Dirk's like a capper, like a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: cap rapper, like his raps are fake?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: No, I just think he was just making music, making
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: good music that people wanted to hear. But for these
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: crimes that they tried to charge him with, he was
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: not guilty. No, he's not a cap rapper, Trapp. He
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: was just found not guilty of these crimes that they
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: tried to charge him with. He just has some fuck
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: boy friends around him, like the O.T. Jeff Jams and the,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Who have bells to all the rat niggas. He just
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: had some corny niggas around him. They was just corny.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: And they was just trying to get they self out
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: of a situation. So they tried to paint a picture
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: because a nigga couldn't do three years. Now a nigga
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: gotta do life. You know what I mean?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, but it's like, I mean,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I know you guys are gonna hate this, I don't
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: agree with it. I'm not in the streets.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So I find it hard to think about playing by
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the street rules.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: You try to be in the streets trap. It looked
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like you tried.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not in the streets. The man said he's not
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in the streets. I'm very sorry.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: He's not in the streets. We know that. So that's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: why we here talking. What you about to say though?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: But what I was going to say is that like, look,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I know you're going to hate this, but like, I
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: can understand why Jam did what he did. Cause he
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: was disgruntled. He got on that stand and he said,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I was pissed. Cause I just served 12 years. And
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Dirk sent me on this dummy mission to kill a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: guy in Beverly Hills. I didn't know what this... He
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: didn't know the hit that he was on until he
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: landed there.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Dirk just sent that nigga to do nothing. That's what
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: he said. Whatever he did, he did on his own,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: that dumbass nigga. That's what he said. He did that
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: shit on his own. Yeah, we know what he said,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: but he's a fuckboy. His word don't mean nothing.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Well, Dee Dee and Brown Eyes were convicted of the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: stalking that resulted in death. So that whole group of
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: guys that went and did that, I mean, it happened.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: It's a real thing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I think I was quite frustrated because I felt like
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: during the trial, people was trying to act like Lil
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Pab didn't exist. I mean, he's a real guy. Rest
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: in peace to Savaya Robinson. Him and his mother deserve justice.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: His mother ain't no Gangbanger, OTFK.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You are really invested.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: He's a civilian. He's telling you he's a civilian.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Trap is invested. You know how many people deserve justice
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: out this?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Yo, murder.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: There's more civilians.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Murder.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: There's more civilians in the world than gangsters.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: There's a small percentage of gangsters and niggas that's not
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: going to tell or people that's not going to tell
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: than civilians. In the real world, it's probably 70% civilians, 30% gangsters.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'd probably say 80%.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Let's just be honest. But
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: this is what people want to see.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: The serial killer thing, 10 million views, three years ago.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville War, which I want to talk about next, that
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: did 8 million views. I watched that. This is stuff
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that I watch. Am I guilty of saying, oh shit. Then,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I like this artist. I like Bloodhound Jeff. You heard
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: me play shit. Don't blink and stare. His record with
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: G Herbo. I really listen to the young boys.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I like it. Because I know where we come from.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: We made it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I be just trying to understand Trap. Like, you want
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Dirk to beat these cases, right? Because I almost be
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: getting a little sense like you like, man.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: He shouldn't have got off with it. I feel like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: because we happy. The people are happy that Dirk is
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: getting over this shit. We feel like he had the
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: wrong friends around him that did the corny shit. And
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: that's why they're in the situation they're in right now.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: But you come off like a little bit like I'm
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: feeling like Trap. Like, man, Dirk was guilty.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I never said that. I think a lot of people
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: was trying to get me to give a prediction. I
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: never said that Dirk's guilty. Dirk's going to. I said
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that the evidence looks bad. He was having bad days.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: The evidence, the feds made a very good case as
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to why he was potentially involved in this. Now, I
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: wanted this case to be concluded because, bro, I want
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to be able to walk around Beverly Hills and not
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: get shot with a machine gun. I think that's very
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: reasonable as a non-gangster civilian. I don't want to worry
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: about switches in Beverly Hills. I think that's fair. I
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: think this crime did need to be solved. I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: that's fair. I know you guys are more sympathetic to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the streets and the code of honor that somebody from
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: that background might want to live.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It's not just us. You know the police move the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: same way, Trapp? You know the police don't tell on
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: each other, right?
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I've heard that.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: You know when police do? No, it's a fact. You see,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you need to do investigation on that. Like, real talk.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: When the police do bullshit out here, they don't tell
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: on each other. They don't snitch on each other. When
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: they do bullshit, they just got to hold that. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: if they do tell on each other, they damn near
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: out it. They not even looked at the same, like
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: from the whole force, they're out it. So they got
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to call, they follow. Even when the police, the police
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: break the law, the other police know not to tell
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: on them.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's that got to do with what we're
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Because you talking about these crimes and certain shit, you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: feel like how you look at this and how you
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: look at that, how you look at that. Oh, well,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you feel like Dirk did this or because this crime
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: is this. No.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: But let's be real. Y'all just like Dirk's music, so
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: you just want him to get away with murder.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: No, that's not the case. The man got... He's not...
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: He got found not guilty, Trapp.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: They couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: this crime, but, like, bro, the guy had been rapping
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: about it for years.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: He painted a picture that he was involved.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: That's why I asked you, Trapp. I feel like you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: want this man in jail.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want this man in jail. I wanted the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: crime to be solved. There are two people that were
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: found guilty of this stalking that resulted in death with
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: a machine gun. I don't think DD and them should
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: be on the streets if they're out here stalking people
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: with switches and Beverly Hills having them killed and innocent
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: people running off into the distance. I heard the phone call,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: the 911 call. A woman calls up. She's like, I've
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: just seen someone be shot with a machine gun in
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. I don't want to be involved. I don't
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: want to give you any information. Even she didn't want
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to tell. But you're hearing the normal everyday people that
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: are affected by just three people letting off switches or
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: one switch and two other regular guns. in Beverly Hills.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not part of the gang. So I wanted that
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: crime to be solved. I didn't want Dirk to be convicted.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't like, oh no, I'm so disappointed. Like, that's
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: not how I felt. To be honest, Dirk being found
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: not guilty really actually is the best thing to happen
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: for me. Because everybody was saying, oh, well, your documentary
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: is getting people convicted. Your coverage is going to get
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Dirk convicted. Well, what happened to that? Clearly, I don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: have any say. So my documentaries are good to go.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Because I don't have a say.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We wasn't even going to interview you. If he got
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: found guilty, we wasn't going to have you up here. No,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: but it's a fact, though. It's a fact.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: But not guilty was good because I probably would have gotten...
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know what would have happened to me, but...
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: But like, you know what I'm saying?
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: We gotta stop the self snitching era.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Cause like when you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Look at it, when you, we can't, we gotta say
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: that a lot of people self snitching too.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: That's true. Right.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: So when we look at the Jacksonville war with Fulio,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: and Young Ace, right? Do we like the beef? Yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: but when you do records like Who I Smoked, and
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: like five to eight niggas, eight people, excuse me, eight
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: people is really dead. They family members is hearing that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: And then Fulio, rest in peace, do I See You,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: and he's at the funeral, he's at the man graveyard,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: his brother graveyard with the poster laying, when I see you,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: and we talking about These things doing 20 million views,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: 30 million views, so who's worse, the person that's reporting
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: it or the person that's doing it? Now fast forward,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: because we could talk about Jacksonville, war, because 30 people
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: died in that, Murk, if you watch that. 30 people died, Foolio,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: rest in pieces, dead, and Ace and Hood is like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: he can't even perform in Florida.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? He can't even perform.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Is it bad for business that you a real rapper
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: and people respect you so-called got bodies? Or is it
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: bad for business? Because he can't even go to Florida.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: He can't even go to.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Where he lived at and perform or without police and
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: feds on him because it's all out there.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Talk about the Jacksonville War, because that did like, what,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: 8 million views, I believe?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Something like that, yeah. I mean, I did a follow-up
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: to it recently that's been, you know, having an impact,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to just make it clear as well.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not, like, obsessed with a number. To me, I
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: appreciate that a lot of people watch my videos and
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: have a lot of reach, but it's like, you know,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: to me, I feel like impact is so important and
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: really helping change people's perception. I would say that, like,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I'm less interested in the numbers on the new Jacksonville
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: video I did. There was a moment, a clip in
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: that video that I found that really impacted me. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I felt like a lot of people in the comments
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: really felt something from this moment that I found. And
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: there's a really sad moment where, you know, one of Ace's,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: you know, homies that was with him, he was 23, right?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know the case, but obviously
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Ace got shot up on his brother's birthday.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: His brother's birthday in a car. And three people died
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: and he survived.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: And, you know, there's a really sad clip of 23's
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: son at his gravesite and he's calling out to his
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: father at the grave, calling out, for his daddy. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: that really affected me. And I feel like a lot
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of people in the comments really felt like, man, things
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: like that made me realize how real this is. It's
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: not who I smoke making fun of these guys. That's
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the real human cost. And I feel like covering this
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: stuff is so important to show that. And I feel
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: like sometimes people say like, oh, you glorify these kinds
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: of things. I really feel like if you watch one
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: of my videos, I think the last thing you're going
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: to want to do is be in the streets. If
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you watch the Lil Jeff video I did all the
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: way to the end, I don't think you come away
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: from that thinking like, oh, I want to go out
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: like Lil Jeff. You come away from it thinking like, damn,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that really is a horrible way to go out, horrible
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: situation to deal with. And just relating it back to
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: the Dirk situation, but like grounded it in Jacksonville, I
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: think that the guys in Jacksonville, unfortunately, that Who I
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Smoke thing was massive. But from what I understood, it
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: wasn't quite enough. It didn't change everybody's life and get
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: them out of that situation. Unfortunately for Fulio, he became
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: super famous and he was having success, was probably a millionaire,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't in the position where he could move
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: to a mansion in California, maybe like Dirk was in.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Dirk was probably in a much more elevated position than
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: some of the guys dealing with the Jacksonville situation. And
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Fulio couldn't even go out of his house to buy
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: a vape without getting shot. you know they tried to
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: kill him over and over and over again until they
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: got him and you know that's just how serious that
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: situation got where it was like guys could not move
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: around because the music had gotten so disrespectful everybody involved
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: had kind of become famous but apart from Ace and
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Fulio it's a lot of those guys weren't getting serious
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: money they weren't really able to like move out of
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: the city and change their lives like a Lil Durk,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: G Herbo, Chief Keef who have been able to do that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the saddest things about
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville is it felt like those diss songs, they gave
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: those guys an opportunity and a platform to maybe change
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: their lives and go mainstream. But I think unfortunately, a
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: lot of the guys fell back into that cycle and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: ended up basically, you know, not making it out to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the mainstream. Even Ace, you know, if you see that video,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: there's multiple clips of Ace, you know, getting pulled over
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: on body cam.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: He can't really move around.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: He's not allowed to have a gun, but he can't
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: go outside without a gun. even out of state in Houston.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: They're on him.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: The cops are following him everywhere. So it's a tough
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: situation he's in. He can't play shows.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: How many people died in that war?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, it's hard to count, but in that second
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: video alone, I covered 33 different murders. And that's over
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: like a six-year period.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: And now nobody's making music. Now the whole scene is
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: kind of pretty much dead out there.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think having covered a lot of
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: different drill scenes in different cities and countries too, I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: feel like, unfortunately, it is hard for people to break out.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: And again, not to bring it back too much, but like,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that's why I think I did feel like when Dirk
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: was charged with this case, that's why it was disappointing
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: because he was doing all my life. They were trying
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to keep me, all this positive stuff. But then it's
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: kind of like, ah, it was disappointing as a fan
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: to feel like, oh man, how are you in this
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: situation when you really, you should be so far removed
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: from it. Conversely, you look at someone like Chief Keefe,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Rarely goes back to Chicago.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: There's a black man in America and they tried to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: fuck him over, man. He only got two more charges
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to beat, track.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: But why ain't Chief Keef got no murder for higher charges?
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Because Chief Keef moved out the hood.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: He moved out the hood because he didn't do that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: He moved out of Chicago.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Dirk don't got no charges, no murder for higher charges either.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: He beat them.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: No, but what I'm saying is that that's why as
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: a fan it was disappointing to at least believe for
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: a period of time that Dirk was still involved in
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: these things that were dragging him back. And let's talk
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: about an elephant in the room that nobody ever wants
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: to talk about. Really, King Von was in the wrong
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: for what he did that night to Kondo Rondo. Would
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you not think?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what happened then.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I usually don't like to take sides, but I feel
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: like King Von's team was wrong. Because once you're worth money,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: management or whoever did, your team is supposed to stop you.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Your team is supposed to say, no, you can't jump
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: out the window here. Or your team is supposed to
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: let you know. Because it ain't where you from, it's
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: where you at. So we know Chicago was one of
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: the most dangerous places to survive. But I think sometimes
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: with the Von situation, you get so comfortable leaving Chicago
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: that you might think Atlanta or New York or this place,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: or it could be fucking Cincinnati, St.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Louis.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: You could think it's a catwalk when it's real everywhere. Yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's difficult because I feel like really,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know how you guys move, but
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I would think if you guys were doing a club
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: appearance and you had your team or your security or whatever,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: and somebody just starts beating you up uncontrollably, pronounced, I
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: don't know what would happen, but you would think that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that's not an acceptable situation to be allowed. Vlad has
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: said it a lot of times that when he's with
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: his security, if somebody just starts beating him up, he
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: would expect the threat to be neutralized in a legal fashion.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: But like Lil Tim, that was a legal killing. That
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: was a self-defense killing. He was never charged with murder.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It was weird to see in court, Dirk's lawyers keep
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: saying King Von was murdered when, you know, by the
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: legal definition, it was a self-defense killing.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: He was defending.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: he was defending his people and other guys there that
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: were with von had guns but i just want to
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: say that it's like i just find it it's disappointing
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the position that dirk was in to king von was
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: really putting out very bad energy you know he sucker
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: punched quando rondo it created this horrible situation other people
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: got killed that night and you know other people have
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: been killed since then dirk's been found not guilty but
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: obviously you know dd one of the top otf members
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: was found guilty.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Of the killing found not guilty right right I mean, yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I just got to make sure. Because sometimes when you
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: say Dirk's found, I got to make sure you're happy
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: he's found not guilty.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: No, but I'm happy the case was resolved and that
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: we got to the truth.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: That's how I feel, honestly. I feel like you can't
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: let off machine guns in Beverly Hills, bro.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: And Dirk didn't have no knowledge of the shit. See that? See,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: there you go. There you go right there, Trapp.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can say that, though. I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can say that Dirk had no
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: knowledge of it. And you can say that it wasn't
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: proven beyond a reasonable doubt that.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: He did the murder for hire, but he- I think,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you know what I think? This is what I can
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: tell both of y'all. This is what.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the trap.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Just keep it real. We know what does numbers.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: If you talk about something positive, I can have a
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: guy come up here and talk about six brands, right?
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: He can have a deal with the Knicks, the Yankees, this, that,
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: and they want to hear some violent shit. Because at
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: the end of the day, when I go to Chicago,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: I stay at the Waldorf.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I'm eating creme brulee. You know what I'm saying?
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: But you got tourists that are crazy, and some of
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: them are white, some of them are Caucasian. They want
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: to go to O-Block. They kicking guys out of O-Block.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: I seen Neon go to O-Block.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: O-Block?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: What do I want to go there for?
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: So I think it's all about people, places, and things,
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: and just a way of thinking when it comes in
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: the audience. Like I said, the Jacksonville shit, they brought
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: that up. Who I smoke, I listen to that. When
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: I see you, I watch that video too. I can't be,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: I'm guilty of it too.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not perfect. Bloodhound Lil Jeff, I bought into that too.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, What made you want to start covering the
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: drill and things of that nature? What made you want
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: to start covering these stories like that? Man.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: So I've been doing YouTube like 10 years, right? And
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I did a lot of different type of videos. When
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I started YouTube, I've been a hip hop fan my
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: entire life since I was five or six, first listening
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: to music. I had two older brothers that one of
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: them made beats, one of them wanted to rap, just
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: having a little bit of fun. And I would just
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: steal their CDs and their records and their tapes. And
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I just loved hip hop growing up. It was just
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: always my passion. I was like the odd one out
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: in school. Not too many people were into hip hop.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I had like one homie, Freddie, who was like the
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: other hip hop head. And we were just share music
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: and go to shows and stuff. But when I started
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: doing YouTube, I used to do lots of different things.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I did like comedy skits. I would do reaction videos.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Like I'd react to a lot of like UK rap videos, like,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you know, Skepta from the UK, one of the goats
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: of the UK, you know, I would react to his
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: music videos on YouTube. None of this ever got any traction.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I wasn't getting any views or any followers, but it
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: was just for fun. I just was interested in it
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: and I would do it. Now, the first video I
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: did that just took off completely organically out of the blue.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: You know, a friend of mine said, oh, you should
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: do like a story breakdown of like some of the
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: hip hop stories you'd be talking about. And I was
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know if people are going
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: to be into that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Let me try that out.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: And then the first one I did was about when
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Jay-Z shot his brother when he was 12. If you
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: know that story.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: So he rapped about it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: He rapped about it. And, you know, there's different biographies
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: where people have broken it down. And allegedly his brother
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: was a crackhead and was stealing from the family. And
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: then age 12, Jay-Z allegedly, you know, straighten the situation
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: out or whatever it was.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of lyrics.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: You just heard the story and ran with it, right?
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I put my verse.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Well, there's lyrics and biographies.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: He's touched on it. But like, it's like one of
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: those legendary stories. And that video just took off. It
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily about gangs, but it was like a hip
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: hop crime, urban legend, kind of like, oh, dude, you
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: know this. And then from there, I started covering all
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: different types of things. So one of the first things
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I did, I was more interested actually in the UK
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: drill scene. gangster stuff that was going on. And again,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of people say, oh, you don't do anything
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: about UK. Like one of my third or fourth videos
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I ever did on hip hop history kind of thing
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: was like a dictionary of UK drill.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Cause we have all these.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Like weird words for like guns or skangs and whaps
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and dots. And like, we have all these different words
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: of talking about our gang activity. And a lot of
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the UK rappers would use this very like colorful language
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: to describe what was going on in the streets. And
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: not a lot of people understood this was like early
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: days of UK drill, like 2019. So I did that video.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: It wasn't particularly popular, but I was just passionate about
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: it because all the gangster rappers in my area, where
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I was living in South London, there was murders going on.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I would see streets getting taped off and I would
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: hear about these drill songs. There was a rapper in
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: the area called Incognito who beat a murder case and
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: then he ended up getting killed a few streets away
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: from where I lived. So I was following that, but
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I was also super interested in American rap.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: So I did a video about how.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Gucci Mane caught a murder case and ended up beating
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: it on self-defense with the whole background with the beef
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: with Jeezy. But it wasn't just crime and gangster rap.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I did a video about how Frank Ocean, you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: did a $ 20 million deal with Def Jam and ended
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: up finessing them and dropping like a fake album and
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: then a real album afterwards. You know, I did a lot.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I did the Rick Ross 50 Cent Beef. That was
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: one of my big early viral videos of like 50 taking.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Shout out to 50. Shout out to 50, man. Come on,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: the legend.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Like when he was taking Rick Ross's baby mom shopping.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: And all that kind of stuff.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Legendary.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: So at the time, there weren't many people doing full
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: breakdowns of that. But I remember being, being younger, watching
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: all that on like, was it this is 50.com and
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: shit like following that and be like, yo, like what's
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: 50 done to Rick today. This is crazy. But actually
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: like remembering those stories and breaking them down. And that
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: was probably one of my first like real viral videos
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: that hit a few hundred K cause people liked how
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I broke it down and I had the jokes and, um,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: all that kind of thing. But you know, the, one
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: of the street stories that did really well was when
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I did the baby self-defense shooting in Walmart. And that
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: was crazy. Cause it was like, again, It was alleged, right?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But it was like, you know, he did a, like
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: an Instagram story afterwards. And then he did the Vlad interview.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: And then he kind of, as time went on, you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: he beat the case officially and he opened up about it.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: So by the time I could cover it, he, you
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: could piece together the whole story. And at the time
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: DaBaby was really on the rise. I was a huge
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: fan of DaBaby's music. I don't cover people unless I'm
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: genuinely into the music, you know, it's, I have to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: genuinely be into the music. So like, I was always
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: a fan of Chief Keef and Dirk. And when Von
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: started making noise in like 2019, 2020, like I was
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: a fan of his. So I did a full, I
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: actually did three King Von videos back to back that
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: were really popular. And obviously then I got into it
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: with his team and they did a copyright strike and
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: wanted to take my channel down. And then we ended
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: up Working it out.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Took the video down, man.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: So here's what happened, right? I dropped three King Von
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: videos back to back, all right? And it was like,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: to be honest, it was probably like two positive ones
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: and one negative one. Because at the time I was
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: obsessed with King Von.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Two positive, one negative.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: You said you was obsessed with King Von.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: At the time I was obsessed with King Von. And
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: people have said that, someone said, I can't remember who
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: it was, but someone brought me on a pod. I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: felt like they were trying to catch me out. And
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: they were like, would you say you're obsessed with King Von?
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, for sure.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Like, I know everything.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you everything about King Von. So at the
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: time when I'm first discovering this, I'm like.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: This is crazy. This is the crap.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: This guy really talking about, he got seven bodies and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: he really doing this and he's shooting everybody, including the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: blanks in here.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: So you was obsessed with the balance.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: I was obsessed with the persona. I was obsessed with
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: like this guy, the same way. It's like when I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: found it, when you hear the story of like 50 cent,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: he got shot nine times and he came back and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: he went diamond. And he, he, you know, I mean, shit,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: we want to talk about it. Like if you don't
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: like what I do, what do you think of what
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: 50 did when he dropped ghetto Quran? Like, He was
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: talking about the stuff that was going on in the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: neighborhood and kind of letting people, not telling, but he
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: was like kind of paying homage to the street stuff
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: that was going on in his era. And I feel
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: like everybody respects that, right?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about, you could talk about Tupac when
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: you talked about- Even the guys that he was talking
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: about in the song respected it.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: They respected it.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: But if we rewind, we could talk about when Pac
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: dropped Machiavelli and he talked about Jag and Henchmen in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: them and we was buying into it because we know
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: this was real street shit going on.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: People buying into the street shit. And that's what they
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: want to watch.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: And sometimes it turns out good, sometimes it turns out bad,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: from what I see.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: What you think about the MO3 trial with Yellow Beezy?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Man, yeah, I just was getting a little update on, obviously,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Keywon White, the alleged shooter, just been found guilty. Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Is he working with the prosecutor now?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah, you're calling the.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Dirty drawers killer. Rob Markman, Jr.: The dirty drawers killer
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: is crazy.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: The cops don't catch you by saying.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: We're not laughing about the situation though.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: We ain't laughing about the situation at all, but you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: wear the same drawers for three days. It's kind of crazy.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: That's who you got to be scared of, man.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: Yeah. Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: That's who you got to be scared of. You got
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: nothing to lose.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got nothing to lose. He ain't even showered.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: I think he just said he shot
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Bootsy or some shit.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Rob Markman, Jr.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, yeah. Rob Markman, Jr.: I see him
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and Bootsy.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Was going back and man so i did a documentary
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: on that pretty early on before it was really known
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: who was involved in that kind of thing um and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: obviously really what i got from that you know a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: shout out to rainwater who i've met a couple of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: times um most three was just such a great talent
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: but he was unfortunately a real menace out there in
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: dallas he was causing a lot of problems he was
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: turning up to what was he turned there's a video
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: where he went on ig live and he like turned
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: up to yellow beezy's office with ar talking about like
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: yo like i'm outside what's going on like He was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: doing crazy stuff. And, you know, allegedly it came out later.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I covered it in the documentary because, again, he hinted
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: at it that he allegedly was the one that shot
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: up Yella Beezy's G-Wagon on the highway and ran him
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: off the road.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: He nearly died. Fortunately, he survived.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I think Yella Beezy is a great artist. I think
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: that Mo3 was such a great talent. He could sing.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: He could do the melodies as well as the rap.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: So he was it was so sad that he was
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: taken before his time. But I also think he was
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: doing a little bit too much. He was being very,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: very aggressive with it. But then at the same time, now,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: you know, you're looking at Yella Beezy's being charged with
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: murder for hire. And I don't know what's going to
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: happen with that, obviously.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Is this kid flipping now? Because I know at first
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: he wasn't telling.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: He's claiming he's not. He's claiming he's not telling that
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: he did that all by himself. But, I mean, damn near,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: he's doing interviews damn near like right now. I see
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: he did a, I think it was Cam Capone or
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: someone else.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: He did an interview.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Here we go. Right after. Killers doing interviews.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: You gotta eat.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: But I think the thing with him is it's like,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's talking about how he shot
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Boosie and he said, you know, Boosie was there for
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: a vigil for Mo3 and then he went to the,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: it was like, I think it's called Big T's. It
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: was like a famous spot in Dallas, like a famous
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: marketplace in Dallas.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Rest in peace to Mo3.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, rest in peace to Mo3. And then, you know,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: it was just, That Ki-Won guy had gone up to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Boosie on some clout chasing, like, oh yeah, let me
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: play you my music, and Boosie weren't trying to hear it,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and then he shot up Boosie's car, like, dude's just
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: a loose cannon out here, you know, I mean, someone
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: like that, again, look, people think I'm the police, but like,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: that guy Ki-Won at Kill Mode 3, bro, he shouldn't
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: be out here in the streets, he trying to play
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Boosie his music, and then he's shooting Boosie in the leg.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: leaning out the Audi, shooting up the car, like, bro,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: that guy should be in prison. I'm sorry. Like, you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: that guy needs to be away from me.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: He's a civilian, Murray. I don't want to run into him.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: He's a civilian.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: You know, but we come at it from different points
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: of view. I understand a lot of people, maybe they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: feel like, you know, that should be handled in the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: streets or whatever. But like for me, if someone comes
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: up to me and says, I want to play you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: my music and I'm not interested and they shoot me
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: in the leg, bro, I put them in jail for
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: a long time.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Keep them away from me.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: We understand that a civilian's supposed to feel that way.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: But is that not reasonable?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: But then we'll go, why a civilian is putting himself
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: so much in the culture then? Who, me? The U.S.A.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Why is he putting himself so much in the culture?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: He loves it and he's eating off it. I forget
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: they're eating, right?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: This is a question I've always got.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: You can't forget to eat and you're eating off it, right?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: That's not why I do it though. That's not what
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: motivates me. I'm genuinely coming at this from a passionate
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: point of view. What do you feel like I shouldn't
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: have an opinion about the streets because I'm not from
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: the streets?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: No, never said that.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: No, but do you feel like that's how people kind of,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: because I feel like that's how people do me. And
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: I really just feel like, I feel like it's important
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: for a civilian, for a nerd, for an outsider to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: have an opinion on the Dirk case. Because if I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't the only one having my opinion on the Dirk
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: case saying, hey, look, maybe you shouldn't shoot machine guns
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: and switches in Beverly Hills. What would we have otherwise?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Everyone just bigging up Dirk saying this is the best
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: thing ever.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Like this is what we should do. I don't know,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I just find it difficult to say.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Rob Markman, Jr.: No, we don't want to see Machine
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Guns being shot at Beverly Hills. We don't want to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: see it being shot nowhere. We don't want to see
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: him being shot in the ghetto or none of that shit.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: We don't want the hood getting shot up. It don't
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: got to be Beverly Hills. We don't want nowhere getting
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: shot up. But when you say sometimes when you say
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you're a fan, that's why I ask you, are you
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: a fan of Dirk? Do you want to see Dirk
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: beat this case? Do you want to see this man?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: get home to his wife and his kids and back
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: to his family and provide for those that need him.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes it could come off as you don't. Sometimes
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: it could come off like, damn, it's looking like Trap
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Lord Ross want Dirk to go down, man. But then
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you saying like, yo, I'm a fan of hip hop.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm a fan. But sometimes, you know,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: it could come off as it's looking like you want
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: his demise.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: But just because I'm a fan of his music and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I think he's a talented music, what he should just
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: be able to do whatever he wants.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: No, nobody says.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, put it this way. DD, he was a rapper.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: He had songs. He had Block His Heart. He had
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: some good moments.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: He's been found guilty of the stalking that resulted in
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: the death of Saviah Robinson with a machine gun, machine
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: gun fire in Beverly Hills. I don't think he should
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: be at home feeding his family. He's been found guilty
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: of this horrible crime, flew from Chicago to LA to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: assist in a whole group of people letting machine guns
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: off in Beverly Hills. I don't care about him wanting
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: to feed his... Bro, you need to be off the.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: Streets, bro. You can't be organizing machine guns. His family
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: still need to be taken care of.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he should have.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: His family still need to be taken care of.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: But that's his responsibility to not get in that situation. Like,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I feel like the thing that's missing with the Dirk situation...
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: I respect Dirk. I think his music's great. But if
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: he was found guilty of those crimes, it's not my
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: problem that, like, oh, his family's not going to be
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: able to eat. Like, he should have thought of that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: before he got into this situation. I mean, he was
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: found not guilty. But let's say Didi, for example.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Like, you know.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Didi can't play the victim and be like, oh, why
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: I can't feed my family. You don't have the right
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: to feed your family if you're out here doing things
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: that will make it hard for you to feed your family.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Of course.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: So like, I just feel like a lot of people
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: are hypnotized by Dirk's fame. And they just feel like,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: forget anything he ever did.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: You hypnotized. You were just over here saying you obsessed
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: with Von and Dirk. So you hypnotized as well.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd say that. I just feel
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: like I'm obsessed with the case and I'm obsessed with
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: the history and I'm obsessed with the art history. But
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: it's like, you got people that basically feel like, because
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Dirk makes good music, he can do no wrong.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: No, but you feel like everything he's saying in the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: music is true. And sometimes you got to just respect
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: the art form.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I believe him. I don't think he's a cat rapper.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: Trap, let me ask you a question. I don't believe
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: he's a cat rapper.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I think he's the realest. I don't think he's a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: cat rapper either, but I don't believe what they trying
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: to say. The music is proven.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Yo, Trap, let me ask you a question.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: You feel like you being from London and you being
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: a Caucasian man and being a pillar in the culture,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: because everybody watches you, you do millions of views. Of course,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: you being modest, it's not about the numbers. Well, we
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: all know what's about the numbers with YouTube, right? Because
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: if I see you got 10 million views, I'm going
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: to click on that.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: If I see you got 5 million views, I'm going.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: To click on that. Better believe it.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like people give you more flack because
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: you put the work in and worked hard for what
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: you built with your empire? Do you feel like that?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like maybe I think people make assumptions because
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: of the way I look or where I'm from. I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: would say that, look, I understand. I appreciate it. I
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: don't pretend to be from the streets. I don't act
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: like I'm from Chicago or that I'm from... I don't know,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: the Bronx or Compton or any of that stuff. I'm just,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I am what I am. I'm a nerd that grew
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: up listening to hip hop. My older brothers got me
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: into rap and I became obsessed with the genre. I
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: became obsessed with the stories, the persona and interested in,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: you know, put a lot of my money into the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: rap economy as a fan, as a consumer. And I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: think that just like my work just reflects my Probably
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: unhealthy obsession with something that I'm super into. I'm into
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: movies too. I'm into gangster movies. I grew up watching
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Goodfellas and The Sopranos, Scarface, all of that stuff. So
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: I was always interested. I grew up hearing stories of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the East End London gangsters and I damn near... you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: know all types of people in England will be like
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: oh you remember the Kray twins I don't know if
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: you know them but they were like notorious London brother
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: gangsters there's been really good films about them but it's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: like that just outlaws and that stuff just always interested
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: me so I think because this is what I've always
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: said I think the reason why I'm so popular is
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: because I think people look at me and go this
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: guy's not going to know anything about this stuff And
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: then when you actually listen to what I have to say,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, actually he doesn't know his stuff. He's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: looked into this. He's got some knowledge.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Come on, you do your homework. You got people that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: work for you. Shout out to your crew in here.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Shout out to my crew. So it's like, you got.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: People that work for you, but I've seen you say
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: in the episode, he just be obsessed with something, Merc.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: He does be obsessed with it. He'll stay up for
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: nights to do the story. I've seen him say that, like, yo, nah,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: I stayed up for nights doing.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: The dirt.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Coverage was amazing. Every day, something was dropping. Every day,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: I watched the whole.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was in the courtroom when he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: was reporting. He's obsessed.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: He doesn't just do it for the money. I agree
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: with that because even I'm waiting for you to cover
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: the next wing of the trials.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: I'm waiting for you to see what you do with that.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: I was watching that every day.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: No, I appreciate that, man. But I mean, okay, the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: King Von thing, for example, right? Like, I remember when
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I made that video and that was probably the last
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: video I made before I built my team.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Serial Killer?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: The Serial Killer one.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: So I did that. I would say it was two
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: months straight. Every night, morning to night, nothing but King
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Von research. I don't think... It's going to sound weird,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: but I don't think there's anything that King Von did
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: that I didn't see. Like every IG live, I read
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: every single tweet. I went through and read every single
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: tweet to the point where you can break Twitter. Like
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: there's certain ways, if you don't scroll the right way,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: like Twitter, you lose tweets. So I went through every past,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: like every section of Twitter. Like this is, you don't
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: think this is weird, but like during the Dirk trial,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: they were trying to show all the slide for Von tweets.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: And they said, oh, Twitter doesn't actually let you go
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: any further past this many tweets. There's 24 pages of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: slide for Von tweets. And I remember they said, I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: was thinking I could have, I know how to get
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: past that and get all the tweets. Cause there's ways
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: of getting all of the tweets.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: Leave it up to the internet detective.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: No, but that's what I mean. That's like, even the feds,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: the feds didn't know how to do that.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: So I could have, I could have showed them that,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: but like.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: He said, I could have showed the feds how to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: The Twitter advanced search function. You got to know how
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: to get your way around it. But I read every
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: tweet King Von ever did. And you know, I was
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: up every single day, morning till night. I was comparing
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the Chicago Tribune articles and the Times. And the times
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: that it said that the murder had taken place with
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: the times King Von's tweets were, you know, deconstructed the
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: tweets that were in universal standard time to Chicago time
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: to match them up. I listened to every single song,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: every unreleased, every IG live, anything that every interview anyone
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: had ever done about the guy over two months, just
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: me personally on my own, putting that together. And I don't,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I think people, they kind of do me dirty. It's like, oh,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: you're just obsessed. You're just this weird guy making money
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: off of this. But it's like, really, it's actually like, bro, I,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that was going to be such a
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: big deal. I remember I was like a month and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: six weeks in thinking like, bro, is anyone even going
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: to care about this? At that time, you know, it
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: was two years after King Von had passed away. He
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: was a big artist, but it was like, it wasn't
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: like King. It wasn't like Lil Durk's at the top
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: of your timeline right now. You're always saying something about
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Lil Durk. It was, I was like, I don't even
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: know if people are interested in this, but I'm interested
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: in this. So I'm going to make this. And there's
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of videos I've done that I feel like
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: they're not trending topics.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's funny, right?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Because I did a hour and a half documentary on
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Sammy the Bull. like two months before the Dirk trial.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: And it was super random. People were like, why the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: hell are you doing this? But it's like, I'm interested
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: in the mob too. I'm interested in the mafia. Then
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: when everyone starts calling OTF Jam, Jammy the Bull, I'm like, hey,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: if you want to know Sammy the Bull, I actually
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: did something on him a few months ago because I'm
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: genuinely interested.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: I've wanted to do that for months. That's what they
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: were saying.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't come up with that.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: But like, yeah, just in answer to your question, I
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: think maybe just because I'm English, because I'm white and
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I don't look like I'm from the hip hop culture,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: but I don't claim to be, I don't claim to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: be from Chicago, Oblock.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not. You're like the overseas Vlad.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: He's not from Oblock.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: You're like the overseas Vlad, but y'all come at it
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: a little different. That's what they're saying. I see people like,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: he's like Vlad a little bit, man.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: But I look up to Vlad. I know a lot
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: of people don't like Vlad. Vlad is my guy.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Vlad, Vlad family.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Vlad, for getting Traplos Ross on the show.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Vlad is the family of the show.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: He paved the way, man.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Facts, facts. He paved the way.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: But you know what I think is great as well, though?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's like, I think the racial thing
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: is difficult because it's obviously, look, a white guy in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: hip hop, whether it's Eminem had a hard time when
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: he was coming out, but he was really good at
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: what he did. He worked super hard making them songs,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: coming up with those rhyme schemes that you ain't never
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: heard before. He outworked the preconceptions.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Eminem.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm anything on Eminem, but it's like,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I just try and just do the best work that
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I can. And I hope that that speaks for itself.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, a lot of people say like, oh,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: you're a white guy in hip hop. But like, there's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: so many great black hip hop media people broadcasters that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: have just done amazing things over the years you know
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: number one guy is academic so i feel like there
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: is space for some people of different backgrounds different countries
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: there's not too many uk guys doing this either so
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: i'm blessed to have made it this far in this
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: game but like you know i just feel.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Like overseas embrace hip-hop like a little a little more
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: than the u.s because like you'll go overseas like there's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: a guy that's been to How many shows murdered? Probably
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: 155 G-Unit shows. There's not one show he doesn't miss overseas.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: If we're in Germany, we're in London, we're in Paris,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: he's been to 155 shows. I met guys like in
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Germany or London, and they know more hip hop than
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: somebody in New York City. They can know about Melly
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Mel and the Fat Boys, and you'll see J. Ruda
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: Damage is still doing shows out there and KRS-One. So
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: it's like, when I meet guys like you, it's just
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: another day at the office because we meet guys like
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: you overseas all the time.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: That are addicted to hip hop. It doesn't matter what color.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: or race you are.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like, yes. They know everything.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: You're right. You're definitely right. Music breaks every kind of barrier.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: And I respect what you do because you remind me
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: of those guys that I've met going to London and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: they're diehard G-Unit fans.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: They got the wife's beater on. They're out there all day.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: They're waiting for us. They know when the jet is landing.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: But they don't want us to go to jail neither. See,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: they ain't playing that shit, Trapp. Them guys he talking about,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: they not playing that. Yeah, you know, they are not playing.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: They think they're going to try to break us out.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: They not playing, Trapp.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: I think with Trapp, what he's saying is he's thinking
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: about little pop family and he's thinking about dirt. So
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: he's just giving the facts and everybody's not going to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: like the way he relies.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: He's not picking the sides.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: So it's like he's thinking about this guy's family and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: his mother's loss because he's in court and see the
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: mother crying and he's thinking about you know, Dirk was
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: going on with Trout. Because he had his good days
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: with Dirk and his bad days. What do you think
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: about Q50 though? Because it's like this whole Q50 thing,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: rest in peace to Q50.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: You know, they got Tesla videos. He shouldn't have been
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: in Tesla. What do you have to store? Without the blick,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: he's slipping. Like, I like Q50' s music. Do you think
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Vert is going to be able to hold a torch
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: for Bloodhound? Is Bloodhound over?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you think?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Man, I know Murda's not going to like this next part, man,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: but Q50 was saying.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: In his songs- No, why are you saying I'm not
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: going to like this next part?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Because Q50 was rapping in his songs. He said, damn, 50,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: is he really up eight hats? Hats is Murda.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: We know that. Of course we know that.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: So he's, damn, is he really up eight hats? I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: would have been up 10, but two of them ain't check.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: So he was saying he had eight hats, he had
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: eight Murda's. It was very creepy for me because I
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: did a two-hour video on Q50 and It was two
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: years to the day.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Before he passed away.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: It was kind of, you know, when you just look
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: at something, you think that's so weird, like coincidence. But
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: I did that video about Q50' s eight alleged hats. I
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: don't think he was a cap rapper.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: I believed him. I didn't find all of them, but
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: I found a lot of them.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: How many rappers talk about doing things in their music?
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but how many of them can you find that
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: shit and it lines up?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Like, that's the thing.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Not many of them you can find it and it
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: lines up. Q50 got lyrics where he talking about like, oh,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: my parents, My first hit was a special one. And
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: the rumor has it, I think he's got a lyric
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: where he talks about my first hit was a three-four.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Rumor.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: No, no, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: But like, you know, the rumor is he's got this
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: line where he says, I'm in the mill doing hits
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: for Pape and all this stuff. And so rumor is
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: he was working as a hitman in Milwaukee and they
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: did a hit where they ran up in there.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Him and Lil Jeff and another guy.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: People will believe anything, man.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: But then you find the news report. But then you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: find the news report and someone ran up in a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: trap house and killed three people and they all got killed.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: And it was like, they were supposed to kill this
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: one guy. They ended up killing everybody and like doing
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: this crazy hit. And he's rapping about, I'm in Milwaukee
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: doing hits for money. I believe him when he said
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: he had eight hats. When they talk about two of
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: them didn't check, you know, there was a guy that
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: allegedly the bloodhound shot. And then the guy was on
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: life support for like a year. And then they was
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: pretending the guy was outside posting. People was posting, pretending
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: to be him. And then like Q50 making fun of
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: him and telling him to unplug him and all this
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Like, allegedly Q50 was putting that stuff
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: out there do you know Q50 rapped about me.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah Trap be excited about this I can tell you
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: know Q50 rapped about me what he said about.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: You Trap he's got a lyric and you know his
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: ops is called Trap City so like the Bloodhounds branched
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: off from this crew called Drill City and Drill City
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: and Trap City is like don't get along he's got
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: this lyric after I dropped the documentary about him he
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: dropped a lyric he said Trap Lore reminds me of
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Trap City speaking on bodies they know I get busy
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: so he low-key kind of confirmed he.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Said it You felt good about that.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: How you felt when you.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Heard your name on that record?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I was just like, damn, that's crazy. Like he really
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: giving me the acknowledgement. He didn't say Trap Lord reminds
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: me of Capsy. He said they remind me of Trap City.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: He said they know I get busy. He said not
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Caps City, Trap City. You know what I mean?
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: But like, the thing is, I feel like Q50 though,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: same with Von, like realistically, Q50 wanted everyone to think
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: he had all them bodies. When he's saying, yeah, they
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: know I get busy. Q50, like, I think that documentary
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: probably dropped Q50. Like, yeah, like, you know what's up. Like,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: That was good marketing for Q50. I'm not saying I'm
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: responsible for Q50 success, but that was just one of
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: the small things where it was like everybody was like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: yo q50 is this guy like everyone loves him i
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys remember it or how closely
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: you followed q50 but there was rumors that he died
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: like a year before where there was a shooting in
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: st louis.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah q50 yeah the car got shot up he.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Ran off they say he ran off with 60k and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: they tried to kill.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Him he rapped about it yeah i heard about.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: It and so it's like.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: You know, he was- What's that killer white boy rapper
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: that he had beef with? Oh, CTS Lil Wick. Yeah,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: he's crazy. Lil Wick. Yeah, he's hard as well. And
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: he beat- St. Louis ain't no game. It's like Chicago.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: It's not a game out there.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I did like a three hour documentary about the St.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Louis gang wars.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. And that's, it's crazy.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Like the guns that they got out there is just
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: a whole different level. They're just in the streets with them.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: They're just carrying everything openly. Just having wild shootouts on
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: IG Live, you know, but- Q50 was going to different
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: cities and getting into it with gangsters from St.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Louis.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was a loose cannon. I think he
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: liked that reputation. And unfortunately, it's really weird for me
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: because seeing that footage of him, he's out on his
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: own in this Tesla. He ends up getting shot. Six
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: guys will jump out on him. But you think, bro,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: you was running around talking about you got eight hats.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: How are you in Chicago? Apparently, this is a notorious
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: gas station. in a hood that everybody knows is really dangerous,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: really treacherous.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Like he was out there all day. I heard they
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: had history for violence over there.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's associated with this group.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: You think Vert is good enough to hold a Bloodhound torch?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: Or you don't know?
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: Man, I like Vert. I like Vert, but I feel
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: like I can't imagine the pain he's going through. He's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: lost so many friends.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: He lost because Vert, because Bloodhound. What's the other guy
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: that died? Lil Skoom. Lil Skoom and Jeff Q and Q50. Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Vert's the only one left.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: I like that i think vert's music's great you know
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: me and vert had a little back and forth a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: few years ago um who you yeah me and vert
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: had a little back and forth what happened i can't
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: remember he was telling me that i i think it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: was something where uh he was saying he was he
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: was saying i owed him money for something or like
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: for using his name i owed him money i'm a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: people money trap and then i said and then i
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: said for using his name and then i said how
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: about i donate the money to like a charity of
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: your choice and then i think he said he was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: gonna fight me and then we squashed it or something
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: like oh he was trolling me and then we ended
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: up being cool in the dms but um I feel
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: like Vert is good. I think he's really talented, but
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I completely understand. I know the rumor was he got
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: shot earlier this year and he was recovering from that.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: So he kind of been out of the way and offline,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: but from what I'm hearing, he's good. I just hope
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: that he can just get back on the music, focus
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: on the music, stay away from the streets and everything
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: that's going on.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, right now, Chicago is a bad place. Do
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: you think the best thing is for Chicago artists just
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: to move out of Chicago like Chief Keef? A thousand percent.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Chief Keef. I feel like it was
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: a smart move. Move out of Chicago and make millions.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: I think Chief Keef.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: Is like one of the best Chicago role models. And
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: that's why I think, okay, we keep getting back to it,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: but like, that's why I always felt like Lil Durk,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: when he caught that case, I felt like it was
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: disappointing as a fan to see how far he had
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: come and then to see him essentially get caught up
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: in this, you know, spiral of negativity.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: That's, once again, I'm trying to tell you, Trav, that's
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: from having them corny ass friends around him now. Jammy
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: the ball. You just said it, jam me the ball.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Try to jam him up.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I know what he said.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: He's disappointed because you see the success of Chief Keef.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: He's in Cali.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: And you thought Dirk was about to follow up the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: same way, kind of.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Look at Chief Keef.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: Chief Keef got millions of dollars. He got Ferraris, Ferrari
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: trucks in the driveway, Hellcats, Trackhawks. He's living his life.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Fourth of July, he's blowing fireworks. His music's still selling.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: People still love him. He's still touring, but he's still alive.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: So it's like, for you to be an artist, he's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: the role model to me too because he moved out
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: the hood and he's successful.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: And to be fair though, let's be real, Chief Keef,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: his team have had a lot of issues over the years.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: It's not sweet for him in Chicago. He's got issues
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: with different groups.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Groups he used to be cool with, he has issues
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: with now. I think there's this misconception that because Chief
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Keef made Oblock famous that he's beloved by Oblock, but
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: he had real static and friction with people like Vaughn
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: and You know, Keefe and Dirk don't really get along
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: like that. And I feel like, you know, Chief Keefe,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: I think people underestimate how serious it is for him.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: And the fact that he's still out here walking around,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: moving around, he manages to navigate this stuff. He hasn't
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: gotten into any of that drama. He hasn't got a
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: big case. He hasn't been shot at. You know, there
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: was a viral clip going around recently of Chief Keefe's
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: team stopping at a gas station. And they move in
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: like the president, multiple ARs. They move in properly, efficiently.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: He'd taken that money.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: Did they buy three bulletproofs? They bought three bulletproofs to
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: move to Chicago.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was that clip of him. They was driving
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: down Front Street in the bulletproofs and like, you know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: he not scared to go back, but he knows. I
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: think it had been like 11 years until he went
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: back for that Summer Smash. And you know, he was
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: damn near banned from the city.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they invested in three BPs.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: I think the thing where they said that he got
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: shot at, I think that was overstated. I think they
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: was at a gas station and then there was a
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: shooting nearby that you could hear, but I don't think
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: they shot at you. Obviously, there was a big fight
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: backstage at his show, but that was like an internal
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: beef between G Herbo's crew and, well, G Herbo's crew.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Allegedly.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Allegedly, there's some in-house friction going on and G Herbo
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: and Chief Keef are cool but then there's like people
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: on Chief Keef's team that were friends with G Herbo's friends,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: and then they had a falling out. So there was
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: like a fist fight, but that was just.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: A fist fight. Please fix it because the internet detective
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: will find out. Trust me, y'all.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: I know too much about that one already.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to know about that one. I
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: know too much already.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: No, that one's crazy. That one's crazy.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I think G Herbo as well, there's
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: a lot going on with G Herbo's team, but G Herbo,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's done amazingly. You know, he had a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: little fraud case that he ended up getting resolved, but
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: you don't hear about G Herbo putting hits on people.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: He, Because he's not, man.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: No, but that's what I'm saying. Exactly.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: And neither is Dirk, Trapp. And neither is Dirk, Trapp.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Not guilty. Exactly.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Not guilty, Trapp.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: I think people think he's obsessed with just doing Chicago, though.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: But he's done New York City. He's done Fabio out
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: here in Brooklyn, Shelter, Brooklyn. He's done Sweden.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: The gangster shit we've been hearing about Sweden went to Morocco.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: He's done gang shit in London too, Merc. So I
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: think people just get confused. It's just Chicago shit, I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: think sometimes it's just the most interesting to people. Because
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: I know I like watching anything on Chicago.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: What fascinates me is I think as well, it's like,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: obviously I'm interested in the drill culture that originated in Chicago.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: Chicago started this, but it's spread all around the world.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Like you got these gangster rappers and drill rappers in Sweden,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: they going back and forth and you know, pulling up
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: on each other on camera and dissing each other, people
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: getting shot up on, you know, all kinds of hits
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: been going on and people rapping about it and making
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: music about it. I mean, in the UK, it's like
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: everything that goes on in Chicago happens in the UK,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: but you know, a lot of it's with knives. You know,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: you've got guys that are pulling up on the mopeds
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: with knives, they're filming it, they're rapping about it, they're
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: dissing each other. There's like, you know, department stores, the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: ops run into each other and all the knives come
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: out and they're Damn near sword fights on camera and stuff.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: Nah, I was thinking machetes in London. Machetes, knives. We
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: have zombie knives.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: You ever seen a zombie knife?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: With the serrated edges.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: They call it a zombie killer knife, like a ZK knife.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Dude's really out here running around with those. You definitely
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: got to be careful in London. It's not a joke, man.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: But before we get out of here, Chap, I want
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: the people to know that you want Dirk to come home, correct?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Do I want Dirk to come home?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I really don't care. Do you want him to come home,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: yes or no?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I wanna see him resolve the last two charges that
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: he's got and whatever the result is, I respect it.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: But do you want him as a fan of Lil
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Durk music?
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said resolve it. You want him to resolve it.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: It's a difference. No, you gotta let him answer that.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: It's a difference. Do you wanna see Durk come home?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Yes or no?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Well, everyone keeps telling me not to be biased and
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: to be impartial. So if I say, that's why you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: don't see me in no free Durk shirt.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: It was ironic.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Everyone's saying you biased.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: We saw Doody Lowe out there with the free Dirk shirt.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: You ain't buying nothing from him?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: That's the most biased thing, wearing a free Dirk shirt.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: You know people came in on the first day of
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: court and gave out free Dirk pamphlets in the court
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: and the judge said, knock it off. If that happens again,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: you're out of this courtroom. You can't be in the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: courtroom talking about free Dirk.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Do you want Dirk to come home? Yes or no, Tramp? Yes.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: But we can't answer for him. You got to let
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: the man in. Do you want him to come home?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Yes or no?
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: Trap? Yes.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I just feel like I just want to see what happens.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: I just want to know the result. I don't care
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: either way. I don't want him to go to jail.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: I don't want him to come home. I want these
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: charges to be litigated. I want him to have a
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: fair trial. I want him to get to the bottom
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: of this situation. I want to know what happened. I
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: want to see all the evidence and I respect whatever
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: the result is. Just like I'm not on here talking about, oh,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: he definitely did it.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: It's all capped.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: The jury got paid. I respect the result. He's found
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: not guilty of those charges. They did not prove beyond
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt that he did a murder for hire.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: That's right, because he didn't.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Are you now for the second?
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: You want him to come home? Yes.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: If he gets found not guilty on the remaining two charges, yeah,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I would want him to come home.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: I would think it'd be wrong. Thank you.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. That's all we want from you, Chad. Even
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: though he didn't say that shit the right way, but still.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: Traplo, can I ask you when the new trial's starting,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: the Speedy trial?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: It's currently scheduled for October 5th. A lot of people
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: are saying that there's a rumor going around that it's
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: going to be delayed, but there hasn't been an official
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: announcement yet.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Are you going to be on the scene? Are we
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: going to watch some new footage of you there for
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: the next two weeks?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: I would like to be. I'm going to try to be.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Every day?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: I would like to be.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: I would like to be. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give away my movements too much.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: It's all good.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: I might be. I would like to.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I think because I'm so committed, invested in this case,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see it through to its end. Will
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: you say you want to see Didi come home?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: D.D.? Yeah. You don't even know who that is? Yeah,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't be caught up in that shit
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 4: Nah?
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to see D.D.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Come home? D.D. with the hood?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Who was found guilty of the stalking resulting in death
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: with a machine gun of Lil Pap.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: They found him guilty? Yeah. That's crazy. We got a...
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Murder only care about dirt.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: He don't care about... Would you want, like, justice for
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Lil Pap?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Justice for Lil Pap?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Of course we don't. We don't want to see none
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: of this shit happen, right? But the problem be deeper
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: than just these rappers that you talk about. We got
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: to get to... Why are we even in these situations
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: in the first place? Because of how our environments is altered.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: It's a whole big story we could get into, but
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: it's bigger than the rappers trap. It's just these situations
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: that we unfortunately is put in.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: Well, Pap was innocent. He was innocent.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: For me? No, I know that. I'm talking about even
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: the Dierks and them. It's the situations, environments that we
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: grew up in. It made it hard for us. You
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: know what's a little easy for you? You know why?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: You got the complexion for the connection, man. It's easy
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: for you, brother. It's a little easy for you, brother.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: I got to ask one more question though.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. Go ahead.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: At what point... At what point does somebody get famous enough,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: successful enough, removed enough from the situation to say, you
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: now crashing out, you throwing it all away, you a dummy?
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: If somebody is rich enough, successful enough, if Elon Musk
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: put a hit on someone, I'm not talking about Dirk,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: but I'm talking theoretically.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: Is there not a level?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: If 50 gets arrested for murder for hire next week,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: you got to be thinking, bro, that's disappointing, bro. I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: thought you was on another level, 50.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Of course, if 50 want to do no dumb shit
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: like that, just like Dirk can't do no dumb shit
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: like that, that's how he was found not guilty of
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: them shit, and that's how he's going to be found
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: not guilty when them other charges get popped up in
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: the case start, man.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: You know what it is, too? That's fair, that's fair.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Thank you, man.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: This is what you got to understand, Trap Law.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: These artists are making way more money now with streams
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: and shows and everything. And a lot of them, once
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: these guys make their first million or two, they're making
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: it like it's nothing.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: They don't want to hear what they big homie got
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: to say. You know what I'm saying? They the boss.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: We was fortunate enough to have somebody like 50 that
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: was young but was ahead of his time because he
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: was outside early.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: And he knew, oh, yo, shit, this shit right here
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: going to make you hot. Or, yo, watch your friends.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: Because Fifth told Dirk that before. Like, yo, watch your friends.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: That's when Jewel, he gave Dirk. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: He'll tell me that. Yo, watch your friends. Give me
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: a watch, yo, they'll kill you for that watch. Like,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: always making you think.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: Now, nobody really has a big homie because they the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: big homie and these guys are still young.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: They're young, 25.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: Imagine being 23 years old, making 18 years. Rob Markman, Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Because they got the money, so the money making them
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: the big homie now.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: So that's why- Rob Markman, Jr.: I know what you're
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: saying about Dirk. He's a black man, he's young with money.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: He's showing millions, cash. So people, the system going to
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: look at him as guilty anyway. That's why he got
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: to pay Drew Finlan and these guys. Up to 100,000 now.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Dream Team.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Shout to them. Dream Team. One thing about them, they're
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: going to get the truth. Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: No, they killed it. It's true. Shout out to Drew.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Me and Drew are cool, man. Drew should love Drew
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: in his contact. We don't know if Trap Lord is
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: going to be at the trial. He might not.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Definitely, man.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: But thanks, Trap Lord Ross, for coming in. Make sure
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: y'all like, share, and subscribe. It's the Real Report. We're
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: one of the biggest guys in media. Trap Lord Ross.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Trap Lord. Thanks for coming through, my guy.