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Jim Bowden's Front Office Unfiltered: Skubal trade market, Red Sox front office gossip, Pirates drama · Foul Territory

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: FT resident GM. Jim Bowden is here. It's that time
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  Speaker 1: of year, JB. We've marked it officially June and that
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  Speaker 1: means we can start diving into trades. So it is
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  Speaker 1: good to see you, and let's begin with the headliner.
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  Speaker 1: If the Tigers don't play well over the next few weeks,
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  Speaker 1: I know they've had a nice couple days here against
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  Speaker 1: the Rays, what could we be looking at. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to get right into biz with Trek Schooble. You put
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  Speaker 1: out a great article in The Athletic about seven options.
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  Speaker 1: Can you lay through or lay out some of what
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  Speaker 1: you went over in the article and what you think
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  Speaker 1: is realistic in terms of some of those teams and
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  Speaker 1: what they can offer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Scott, the most important thing if you're
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers is, look, you want to turn this around.
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  Speaker 2: You want to give this team another month, but you
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  Speaker 2: can't wait to shop Trek's Scooble. Right, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a free agent. You're not going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to extend in between now and free agency, and you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to sit there and get to August and
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  Speaker 2: not be in the postseason and still have Scooble on
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  Speaker 2: your roster. That would be a mistake. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to set your franchise back. I remember three
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  Speaker 2: years ago when the Angels should have traded showey Otani.
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  Speaker 2: They did not. They could have gotten junior Cameron Aro
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  Speaker 2: in a package, and it set them back years. And
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  Speaker 2: so if you're the Tigers, start the process. Now. Figure
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  Speaker 2: out what contending teams at interest, what top prospects are
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  Speaker 2: on the table, what top prospects won't be on the table.
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  Speaker 2: Try to figure out where you think you match up
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  Speaker 2: the best, and go through the process. Exchange the medicals
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  Speaker 2: that you have to do. Of course, the teams are
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  Speaker 2: going to want to see Schooble on the mound pitching
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  Speaker 2: like the Cy Young Award winnery was the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: But don't wait on the process. And so I went
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  Speaker 2: through in my two articles on Scooble, I went through
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  Speaker 2: all twenty nine other teams to kind of figure out
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  Speaker 2: what teams fit. I felt like there were six really
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  Speaker 2: good fits. I threw in a seventeen just for fun,
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  Speaker 2: and then just kind of broke it down from there.
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  Speaker 3: Jim, how does a trade like this work? Look from
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  Speaker 3: this Tiger standpoint and from other teams? You start working
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  Speaker 3: on it now do these things come together at the
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  Speaker 3: last minute, how much, how much pre evaluation, and how
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  Speaker 3: much work has to be put in to make a
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  Speaker 3: trade of this magnitude, because usually we see these happen
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  Speaker 3: in the off season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So in a case like this, AJA, you start
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  Speaker 2: your due diligence, which means literally, you're going to call
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  Speaker 2: all twenty nine teams and you're going to tell them, look,
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  Speaker 2: I hope we get back in the race. We think
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  Speaker 2: we're going to. But if for some reason we don't
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  Speaker 2: and we get to July, we're probably gonna move schoogle
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  Speaker 2: at that time. If we do move them, do you
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  Speaker 2: have interest, And if you do have interest, what level
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  Speaker 2: of interest do you have. Do you have some prospects
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  Speaker 2: that are off limits? Do you have major league players
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  Speaker 2: that are off limits? Kind of let me know what
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  Speaker 2: you think, and then a lot of them will say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll give it some thought, we'll kick it around, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get back to you. But you make the call to
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  Speaker 2: all twenty nine teams. You don't want to leave one
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  Speaker 2: out because you never know. Even though there's obvious teams
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  Speaker 2: like the Giants and Angels that aren't gonna play, you
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  Speaker 2: make the calls anyway, because that's your job. When you're
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  Speaker 2: a GM, you can only deal with twenty nine other companies,
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  Speaker 2: So you have to just make sure you've just touched
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  Speaker 2: all the bases, and then you keep track of it
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  Speaker 2: and you start the process, and you're gonna find pretty
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  Speaker 2: early teams that are really interested, teams that are somewhat interested,
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  Speaker 2: and then of course the teams that are most interested
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be playing well between now and then as well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is gonna flip. Some of the teams
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  Speaker 2: that are doing well now aren't gonna be doing well
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  Speaker 2: six weeks from now. So it takes a while. It
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  Speaker 2: takes a long time to answer your question. I have
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  Speaker 2: done deals literally within five minutes. And I have done
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  Speaker 2: deals it took three years.
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  Speaker 4: Literally.
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  Speaker 2: Ken Griffy Junior took three years when I traded for him.
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  Speaker 2: But I also made a deal with Billy Bean where
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  Speaker 2: he made one phone call, made an offer, I accepted it.
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  Speaker 2: I traded Roberto Kelly for Deon Sanders with John Schrolz,
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  Speaker 2: it took twenty minutes. So all these deals are different.
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  Speaker 2: Some come to together quick. But when you're doing a
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  Speaker 2: player at the level of Schooble, right, that's the one
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  Speaker 2: Soto level. That's the level of OMG. You may win
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  Speaker 2: the World Series because of it. It's the Justin Verlanders
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  Speaker 2: traded from the Tigers to the Astros and they will
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  Speaker 2: pop Champagne because of that trade. That's what Schooble is here.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're the Tigers. The other thing you have
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  Speaker 2: to look at is the earlier you trade them, the
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  Speaker 2: better the return. If you trade them August third, the
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  Speaker 2: other team's getting him for two months of the regular
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  Speaker 2: season and October. If you trade him now, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get July, August, September, and October you're gonna get four
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  Speaker 2: months of him. And so the value changes, as does
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  Speaker 2: the money change. The earlier you trade Schooble, the more
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  Speaker 2: money you save.
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  Speaker 5: That was gonna be my question where if he's healthy
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  Speaker 5: at his first start. Obviously it's a little early, but
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  Speaker 5: is there like a cutoff as far as like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: we were gonna give you a top ten twenty, you know,
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  Speaker 5: is it negotiated ahead time or is it just like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you're getting two extra starts if you go ahead and
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  Speaker 5: make this move now. Also, do you see, because it
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  Speaker 5: was written earlier that oh teams are gonna or the
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  Speaker 5: Tigers are gonna have to pay some of this ten
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  Speaker 5: or eleven million dollars that.
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  Speaker 4: He's owed to be able to get the most.
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  Speaker 5: And I shook my head like you just did, thinking why,
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  Speaker 5: like this is the premiere pitcher in the game that
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  Speaker 5: you would be able to get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nonsense. First of all, I mean you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get someone to take the full contract. I think
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  Speaker 2: the only point is there could be a team, let's
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  Speaker 2: just say the Tampa Bay Rays. There could be a
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  Speaker 2: team where if you pay two million of his salary,
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  Speaker 2: we'll give you these two extra prospects. So you might
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  Speaker 2: be able to quote unquote by prospects by doing something
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  Speaker 2: like that. So if you're the Tigers, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be open minded. But in general, you're gonna get two
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  Speaker 2: top ten prospects, and in general, the other team's gonna
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  Speaker 2: pay the full salary and you'll probably get a package
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  Speaker 2: of four or five players when it's all said and done.
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  Speaker 3: Is there is there anyone else that besides Schooble that
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  Speaker 3: you think is going to be a big name that
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  Speaker 3: could be traded. I know schoopl School school, That's kind
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  Speaker 3: of what everyone's talking about. Is there another big name
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  Speaker 3: you think that could be traded.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Joe Ryan could be traded, and
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  Speaker 2: that's not a rental. I think Robbie Ray of the
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco Giants could be traded. We'll see what happens
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  Speaker 2: to the Mets, but if you're not going to extend
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  Speaker 2: per altn it sounds like they're far apart. He could
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  Speaker 2: get traded. So, you know, none of us know. It's
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  Speaker 2: way too early right the trade deadlines August third. Every
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  Speaker 2: team wants to see where where they are going to
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: be at the All Star break, and then they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: want to see where they are at the end of July,
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  Speaker 2: in the very beginning of August. Right now, School is
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  Speaker 2: the biggest name. But you know, Joe Ryan might and
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  Speaker 2: School might not end up being traded, and Ryan might
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  Speaker 2: end up being the headliner, or Robbie Ray may end
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  Speaker 2: up being the best picture. None of us know this
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  Speaker 2: far apart. But the point is, you have to start
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  Speaker 2: your homework now. You can't wait. You have to start
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  Speaker 2: the process here in June.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, JB, I want to take a turn to the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox front office, because right now it doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like they will be buyers.
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  Speaker 6: At the deadline. What do you think of all the
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  Speaker 6: public posturing going on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we saw theo Epstein kind of comment, We've
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  Speaker 1: we've seen this story the other day about how Breslo
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  Speaker 1: is now trying to like connect more with the players
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  Speaker 1: even though he's been there for years, like I'm on
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  Speaker 1: your side, you know, And of course in Boston a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fans will just look at it as well,
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  Speaker 1: he's too much into analytics.
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  Speaker 6: Well, every team uses analytics.
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  Speaker 1: Some teams just suck at it, and some teams also
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  Speaker 1: don't know how to communicate with their coaching staff and
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  Speaker 1: with their players. And then the last piece of the
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  Speaker 1: puzzle here is we even have David Ortiz kind of
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  Speaker 1: coming out John Henry's concerned whatever to me, that means
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  Speaker 1: John Henry probably called David Ortiz and said, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: should tell the media that I'm concerned. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: to me, there's a lot of that going on, which
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  Speaker 1: is fun to follow. I know you like it too.
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  Speaker 1: That's called a reality show, but in real life that
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  Speaker 1: often hurts you from winning baseball games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. I want to start with this. Theo
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  Speaker 2: Epstein and Craig Breslow have a great relationship I know
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  Speaker 2: there's been some reports out of Boston that they were
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  Speaker 2: having communication issues. It was a problem there. I've reached
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  Speaker 2: out to both of them. There is zero problem. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: theo Epstein right now is at the French Riviera. He's
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: at the Monaco Grand Prix because his son's a big racer.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, they've got Craig Breslo's back. Even though
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  Speaker 2: everyone isn't going to agree, like every organization on a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different things, their communication, the transparency, the honesty
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  Speaker 2: between ownership, THEO John Henry and Craig Breslow is perfect
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  Speaker 2: right now. They have his back, he has the rope,
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  Speaker 2: he has the freedom to run this organization, which he
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  Speaker 2: is doing. His approach and his style really is not
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  Speaker 2: working for a lot of employees of the Red Sox
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  Speaker 2: that were there before Breslo got there. There's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things, whether it be analytical or style of management
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  Speaker 2: or you know, that isn't working. And Craig, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is his chance to be a GM. He wants
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  Speaker 2: to succeed, He wants to do things his way and
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  Speaker 2: he should have the right to do that. And so
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  Speaker 2: he's got the backing to do it. And we'll see
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  Speaker 2: how it plays out. You know, you have to win.
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  Speaker 2: That's the bottom line at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Some of this communication stuff doesn't work well. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that don't like Breslo, a lot of employees,
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  Speaker 2: even broadcasters, and that creates ugliness behind the scenes and
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: it doesn't help. And when you have the kind of
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  Speaker 2: coverage they do in New England on the Boston Red Sox,
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  Speaker 2: it's just negativity. And I got to tell you, the
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  Speaker 2: only solution of fixing it isn't going to be building relationships,
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: to be honest, it's going to be winning. You have
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  Speaker 2: to win. If you win, it goes away. I remember
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three, I had death threats. I had
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: planes flying over saying fire Boden. You know you had
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: to win. Now. We finished first the next two years,
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: and literally in nineteen ninety five a plane went over
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: the Bengals stadium and said hire Boden to be GM
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  Speaker 2: of both. Like that's how quick it changes. And I
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  Speaker 2: never had to pay for another meal in Cincinnati for
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  Speaker 2: like ten years after that. But you have to win.
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  Speaker 2: And I think with Craig Greslow, I think what he's
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  Speaker 2: done on the pitching side, is really good. I think
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  Speaker 2: their pitching is good enough to be a playoff team,
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  Speaker 2: but their position player situation's not good. They haven't built
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  Speaker 2: a good roster that way. Craig Grezlo and Alex Corey
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  Speaker 2: didn't get along. Craig Grezlo didn't like his coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Corr said, well, you're not firing them without firing
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  Speaker 2: me first. Okay, they did that, then, okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: But when you make moves like that, you also now
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  Speaker 2: got to figure it out. And they need bats, they
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  Speaker 2: need offense, they need to build a lineup. They haven't
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  Speaker 2: done it and they're not going to win until they
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 5: You talked about communication between Henry and THEO and Craig.
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  Speaker 5: How about communication with Craig and the players or communication
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  Speaker 5: with Craig and the media. He sounds like a I dictated,
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: like cyborg when he's out there talking about things that
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  Speaker 5: people don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: Is that how he is? Is that a Bill.
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  Speaker 5: Belichick type of Well, I'm just going to do how
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  Speaker 5: I do it and who cares what the media says?
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  Speaker 5: And is that the right way to go about it
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  Speaker 5: in a city like Boston, which is not Cincinnati, which
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  Speaker 5: is not a small market.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great point, Eric, And yeah, I mean that Craig
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  Speaker 2: Breslow is who he is and that's good, bad, and ugly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I've seen gms like John Schuerholtz, who
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  Speaker 2: I have the highest respect for, who was Executive of
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  Speaker 2: the Year. He's a Hall of Famer. He had the
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: philosophy of he never wanted to go down to the clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't want to build personal relationships with players because
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: he felt it would buy us his decision making. Brian Sabian,
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  Speaker 2: who won three World championships with the San Francisco Giants,
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: had the same philosophy. He didn't want personal personalities to
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: get involved in a lot of decisions that he made.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's a lot others like Dave Dombrowski. You
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: had a locker himself and would work out down there
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  Speaker 2: in the clubhouse, and he wanted to be around and president.
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  Speaker 2: He made all the road trips and was in with
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  Speaker 2: the players, and that was his style. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: he's a future Hall of Famer as well. So there's
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  Speaker 2: different styles that work. You got to make it work, though,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, if you have a personality that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: relate well to all the players. Then you need to
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  Speaker 2: have an assistant that can be the conduit between you
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  Speaker 2: and them to make it work. If you're not doing
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  Speaker 2: well with the media, then you better have a manager
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  Speaker 2: that can speak to the media on your behalf, or
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  Speaker 2: you better have ownership that can back you on that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: we all prefer to have executives that can do it all,
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  Speaker 2: like theo Epstein did when he was winning those world
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  Speaker 2: championships both in Boston and Chicago. Craig Breslo's learning on
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  Speaker 2: the job. I think he's done a really good job
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  Speaker 2: on the pitching side. He's got some work on the
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  Speaker 2: position player, and he's got to build relationships and he's
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  Speaker 2: got to get people on board, and I think he
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  Speaker 2: needs to work on that area and I think he will.
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  Speaker 3: Jim the Pirates had a situation not long ago with
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  Speaker 3: one of their pitchers.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever been in a situation where you had
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  Speaker 3: to put someone on a restricted list because they refused
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  Speaker 3: to go to the bullpen? They refuse their role? What's
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  Speaker 3: this mode of operation when this is something like this
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  Speaker 3: goes down? Because I mean, I've heard of guys leaving,
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  Speaker 3: but I've never heard of guys refusing to do whatever
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  Speaker 3: they've been asked to do without then saying hey, I
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  Speaker 3: want to trade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question because my eyebrows went up
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  Speaker 2: when Ben did this, and I thought to myself, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't I think of that? That's phenomenal, Like you
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  Speaker 2: refuse to do it, so I put you on the
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: restrictive list. You don't get paid, you don't get service time.
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  Speaker 2: Why did I think of that? That's what I said
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  Speaker 2: when it happened. What I did in those situations is
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: I optioned the player out. And I don't want to
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: get into names, but it happened two or three times
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  Speaker 2: in my seventeen years. Sometimes it went big leagues to
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: a ball or big leagues to but you know, I
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: try to explain to the player and communicate the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you know, the contract says that you don't get
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: to choose the role. The manager's going to put you
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: in the role to help us win, and you need
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: to do that. Whatever that is. Doesn't always work like
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: you want. Now. I understand Ladziski his frustration. He was
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: pitching really well for Pittsburgh. Jerry Jones comes off the
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: injured list and they want to put him in the
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: bullpen because they consider him their sixth best starter. That's
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the right decision to make by the manager in my opinion.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And lads Sky pitched a couple times in the bullpen
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  Speaker 2: this year, and I think that is going to help
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the Pirates win more games using him in that role
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: based on the team they have right now. He didn't
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: like it. Now. The one thing I tried to do
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: is I would have probably protected the player, not make
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: it public, just you know, give him twenty four hours
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: to emotionally get through it. And that's what happened with him.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: He called his agent, he called his family, calmed down,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: understood what his choices were going to be, and then
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: moved on. Some players asked for a trade. I would
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: not accommodate a player on a trade like that. I
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: would have optioned him out and let him sit at
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: double A, at double A money and see if he
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: changed his mind at some point. It was an immature response,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: but I also understand his frustration, like, you want to start,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you don't want to relieve. I get it. He'll be
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: starting again. There's going to be an injury to summer
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: on the rotation, and he's going to be back in there,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: probably within a month. That's just how it works in baseball,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: As you guys know. I didn't like the way he reacted,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: but I think what ben Cherrington did, Honestly, I thought
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it was brilliant.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Jim.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: I could you see you telling him, Oh, you want
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: to start Altuna needs the Altuna curve, need a starter
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: next week.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: So good luck there.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah bye, yeah bye.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: That's not what I want to hear. But Carmon's not
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: a prospect anymore. Karen's that prospect anymore. But teams now,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: and I know it's different when you were a GM.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Teams now call prospects up that into roles that were
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: roles that were that thirty year old guy that you
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: having triple A that you're gonna call up. If he
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: does well, great, If not well, dfa him.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Why do you think.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: Teams are doing that? And do they not see that
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: as being detrimental to somebody's career. I mean they're doing
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: it to Jonah Thong right now. They have Bubba Chandler
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: got called up as a starter and then got thrust
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: into the bullpen to make his big league debut.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the game's changed so much, right in
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: terms of roles and front offices just believe that, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: how can I develop them or how can I win?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And what situation? You know, he should put the opening
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: here so he doesn't have to face the first three
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: guys the first time around the lineup. That way I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: can keep him in an extra two innings. Yeah, I mean, look,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: we've seen you guys, remember with the Yankees with Jobah
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Chamberlain and Phil Hughes, when they came up and they
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: they were using him start a bullpen kind of kind
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: of ruined their careers, I think the way they were used.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: But everyone's looking at the science differently. Everyone's listening to
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the medical and training staffs different I mean, the analytics
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: that are there, the technology, the science is being able
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to measure things that we were never able to measure before,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: is helping them make some of these decisions that don't
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: always make sense on the outside unless you're privy to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: the data that they're looking at it and making those calls.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the other factor that's that's going
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: on right now and the reason the guys are getting
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: the big league so quickly, is that when you look
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: at hit track and you look at the trade Jeck
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: pitching machines. You know, Andy Pajas spent the winner hitting
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: off of Paul Skins and Trek Scouble to try to
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: become a better hitter, right and to be able to
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: sit off the machines and watch their release points and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the different shapes and sizes and blow. I mean, that
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: kind of advantage you have is just incredible. And so
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: when they get to the big leagues, they're seeing these pitchers,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like the first time because they've been
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: doing it off off you know, the machines. And then
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you know, you look at what the Nationals are doing
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: leading baseball and run scored right now. I was in
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: their spring training camp and Paul Deboni was going through
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: all the different plans they had for each player and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: what they were going to do, and the algorithms of
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: what they needed to work on and what they were
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: going to look at in terms of approach. And they
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: gave these kids homework and spring training, they went home, studied,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: came back and embraced it. And now look at them.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: They have more runs scored than the Dodgers and Yankees.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So you know, the game is changing for the better.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Players are being given an opportunity to succeed at a
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: level they would never have in the past. They would
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: have had way more learning curve at the big league level.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: And I think it's fun to watch young players succeed
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: like they are because it really helps small market teams
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: win earlier when they don't have to wait for young
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: players to develop in two or three years.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Development is key Jim for a lot of these teams,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: and we know that, But what about development coaches. The
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Giants fired their third base goal. They didn't fire him,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say they reassigned him because he was making
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: too many mistakes. The Giants aren't any good. Well, you
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: didn't think they were going to be any good coming
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: in this year, So why would the front office and
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Tony Vaytela, who I don't think got to pick most
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: of his coaching staff, why would they take their third
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: base coaches this early the season say, you know what,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you're not developing properly or sending too many guys home.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to do something else in the organization.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would have fired him too. I mean, your
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: job is to get him to score. Your job is
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to make the right decisions to third base. And if
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you can't do it. Sorry, I got to bring someone
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: else in the can. It's just like a player, right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I hate watching coaches get fired. A
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: lot of times. It's unfair, you know, a lot of
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: times they take the fall for the manager or the
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: front office or whatever the case is going to be.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But still, I mean that's as you guys know. Third
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: base coaching is a hard job. But I can't have
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: my guys throwing at the plate consistently. I can't. I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: can't have someone that's too aggressive. And if that happens,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: if I can put someone there in that position that's
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: better and help me win more games and help me
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: have my base runners make better decisions, I.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Have to do it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: They always say, you got to win at the margins. Well,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, you need even more than that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: So you better win at the margins and then some
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to get yourself back in the mix.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: So JB, good stuff.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Man, great catching up, and you appreciate it much more
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on GM territory, by the way, all these kinds of topics.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: So let's show that. Thank you, JB. And yes here
• 21:05
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• 21:07
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• 21:11
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• 21:14
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• 21:17
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• 21:20
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• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Thank you.