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Ep. 89: Fixing muscle cramps, stress and sleep--the mineral makeover my mom didn't expect [HTMA Series Part 2] · Love Your Gut

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  Dr. Heather Finley: Welcome to the Love Your Gut Podcast.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm your host, Dr.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: Heather Finley, registered dietitian and gut health specialist.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: I understand the frustration of dealing with GI issues because I've been there and I spent over two decades searching for answers for my own gut issues of constipation, bloating, and stomach pain.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: I've dedicated my life to understanding and solving my own gut issues.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: And now I'm here to guide you.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: On this podcast, I'll help you identify the true root causes of your discomfort.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: So you can finally ditch your symptoms for good.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: My goal is to empower you with the knowledge and tools you need so that you can love your gut and it will love you right back.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: So if you're ready to learn a lot, gain a deeper understanding of your gut and find lasting relief.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: You are in the right place.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: Welcome to the love your gut podcast.
• 0:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: Hello, and welcome back to the next episode of the Love Your Gut podcast.
• 0:59
  Dr. Heather Finley: As you all know, we are in the middle of our mineral series, and I'm really excited about today's guest.
• 1:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: Maybe a very unlikely suspect that I drug with me to today's episode, but we are interviewing people of all different ages and with all different concerns, just showcasing how much minerals can help so many different things.
• 1:20
  Dr. Heather Finley: So surprised today, I'm excited to have.
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  Dr. Heather Finley: My mom, the one and only Queen Alice on the show, so mom, welcome to the show.
• 1:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: Thank you, Heather.
• 1:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: Thanks for having me.
• 1:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay, so this is your first podcast interview and we are doing this in the middle of nap time.
• 1:36
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm home in California visiting, so we thought we would record it.
• 1:40
  Dr. Heather Finley: So if you hear babies crying in the background, we'll have to pick this back up later, but you are a great case study for minerals because you were a unlikely suspect, I would say, of someone who might think that minerals might work for them, but.
• 1:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: I think we should take it back to the moment where we were on the stairs, maybe having a moment when I said, you need to fix your minerals.
• 2:07
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I guess take us back to that moment.
• 2:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: If you wanna give us a, an idea of what happened on the stairs that day.
• 2:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: Well, I was having these really bad leg cramps and I'd been telling you about them and, you were in town visiting and I had walked up the stairs and my whole leg, my calf, my top of my foot just seized up and I started screaming, but try trying not to scream super loud.
• 2:33
  Dr. Heather Finley: 'cause the kids were asleep and you came running up the stairs and we were, I was crying and laughing at the same time because I felt like I was possessed or something like it was, I mean, it was so painful and it went on for a long time.
• 2:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: It was like, what a 20 minute.
• 2:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: Leg cramp and foot cramp at the same time.
• 2:54
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, it was.
• 2:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: When I say one of the most wild experiences of my life, I, I've never witnessed an exorcism, but we joke about it now.
• 3:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, her whole body was convulsing.
• 3:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: I did not know that.
• 3:06
  Dr. Heather Finley: People could have leg cramps like that or muscle cramps like that.
• 3:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: So in that moment I remember being like, we've got to do something about this because you live alone.
• 3:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I'm like, how are you supposed to help yourself if something like this happens to you sometime and I'm not here to run up the stairs, which I think it had happened, but maybe that wasn't.
• 3:26
  Dr. Heather Finley: Maybe that was the worst that it had been.
• 3:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't know.
• 3:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, it had happened one other time after playing pickleball and I was sitting outside at, you know, 8:00 PM at night or maybe even later, nine probably.
• 3:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I got a leg cramp and I threw my shoe off and started screaming in the backyard at 9:00 PM and my neighbors came running over'cause I thought I was being mauled by a bear or something.
• 3:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: I was screaming so loud.
• 3:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: So you're a very healthy individual.
• 3:54
  Dr. Heather Finley: You don't take any medications, you don't have any medical diagnoses.
• 3:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: You're, you've always been really healthy.
• 4:00
  Dr. Heather Finley: I feel like as a kid you modeled health to us really well.
• 4:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: We always ate really healthy and our family was always super active.
• 4:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so you might've been thinking in that moment.
• 4:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm already really healthy.
• 4:12
  Dr. Heather Finley: Why would I need minerals?
• 4:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: I already, I already take care of myself.
• 4:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: But I guess, what was your reaction when I said We need to do a mineral test on you and figure out what's going on?
• 4:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: Were you skeptical?
• 4:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Were you like, I'm willing to try anything?
• 4:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: I guess what was your mindset at that moment?
• 4:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: Well, initially, I remember back to having other leg cramps and I was trying to think of when they started and I believe that they started when your brother was in high school, which was soon after, my husband, your father passed away.
• 4:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so I think stress was obviously a big factor in that.
• 4:45
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I think what I've learned from you had learned from you before that is that can deplete your minerals and all that.
• 4:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: And, but I remember sitting at a football, one of his football games, you know, several years prior where I had to.
• 4:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: It was a cold night.
• 4:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: I had to rip my boot off because I was, had such a bad leg cramp.
• 5:01
  Dr. Heather Finley: But it wasn't as bad as what you witnessed, but I think so then when you said, talking about, let's fix your minerals.
• 5:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, it kind of started to make sense, but I was like really hoping that something would help because.
• 5:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: These were bad, and like you said, like it's really hard to take care of this.
• 5:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, you sat there and, moved my foot back and forth, back and forth for 20 minutes and had I been by myself, like it's almost impossible to get it to go away.
• 5:27
  Dr. Heather Finley: So, I mean, I was willing to try anything at that point because you'd already tried a lot of things.
• 5:32
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean.
• 5:33
  Dr. Heather Finley: Max being in high school, that was like at that point more than 10 years prior.
• 5:37
  Dr. Heather Finley: So this had been going on a long time.
• 5:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I guess, walk us through what you had tried that maybe had kind of helped or, or didn't help.
• 5:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: I know you'd done like topical magnesium and probably, I know you.
• 5:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yoga and like some of the usual suspects, but anything that you had done that you think maybe helped or maybe things that made it worse?
• 5:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 5:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: Well, where I live, it's very hilly and so a lot of times the leg grounds would come about walking up and down these hills, and it would be the ne that night, that evening, my leg would just seize up.
• 6:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I think, realizing I was probably dehydrated, so starting on drinking more water, but then realizing like water wasn't cutting it, it was that water wasn't staying with me, I would, drink water and it would come, go right back out.
• 6:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so you started talking about electrolyte powder and different things like that.
• 6:26
  Dr. Heather Finley: Which, which, which would help but.
• 6:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, I needed something better.
• 6:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: I needed something better than electrolyte powder.
• 6:32
  Dr. Heather Finley: 'cause it was just wasn't, it wasn't working.
• 6:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: I guess we should also share that this leg cramp the exorcism of whatever year that was, 2022, I think had happened after we had walked a mile down the hill to have a margarita in town and then pushed to.
• 6:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: Children up a stroller, literally.
• 6:54
  Dr. Heather Finley: And when I'm talking about it like being a straight uphill, there is literally no stop in the uphill.
• 6:59
  Dr. Heather Finley: So maybe that didn't quite help, but obviously that wasn't a one-off incident.
• 7:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: But maybe the, maybe the margarita made the, the cramp probably the worst that it's ever been in that moment.
• 7:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: Probably, but maybe I just didn't care as much.
• 7:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: That's true.
• 7:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: It took the edge off a little bit.
• 7:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, it was one of those like laugh until you, or cry until you laugh type of situations.
• 7:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: For sure.
• 7:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 7:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay, so this was in the summer and my mom's birthday is in the summer and I said.
• 7:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: For your birthday, I'm going to give you a mineral test and a consult with my team, and then we're gonna formulate a custom mineral powder for you.
• 7:40
  Dr. Heather Finley: So walk us through what that experience is like just as a client, of working with my team because somebody might be listening, going what is, what are we even talking about?
• 7:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: Testing your minerals and addressing your minerals.
• 7:53
  Dr. Heather Finley: I drink element, or I take electrolyte drinks, or, all the things that you mentioned.
• 7:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: How was this experience different and, and what was, what did the process look like for you?
• 8:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: Well, it was great to talk to a member of your team actually.
• 8:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: So it left like you a little.
• 8:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: Hands off, you know, at that moment, a little bit too close to it maybe.
• 8:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: And, but to be able to talk to her and find out like what led to it.
• 8:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I think that was really important to find out, like all the stress that I'd had in my life over the past, 13 years, just over and over and over never getting better.
• 8:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: And that leads to your minerals being depleted.
• 8:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then to find out what minerals were so low and doing the.
• 8:35
  Dr. Heather Finley: The HTMA test and and you're trimming my hair.
• 8:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: I was like, you're gonna cut my hair.
• 8:40
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay.
• 8:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: Interesting process.
• 8:42
  Dr. Heather Finley: And just to find out like where my minerals were, like all over the map and you could tell what was depleted, what wasn't.
• 8:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: And that's something that you just don't find out from, you know, any other kind of test really.
• 8:53
  Dr. Heather Finley: So, so were you okay with me cutting your hair?
• 8:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: 'cause I think that's the biggest challenge that people have, especially because a lot of people, that wasn't your concern, but a lot of people come to us and they're like, I'm not cutting my hair.
• 9:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm already losing hair.
• 9:06
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't wanna cut my hair.
• 9:07
  Dr. Heather Finley: So what were your thoughts about that?
• 9:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: Oh, it's, it's not that much hair.
• 9:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, and it's a, is a few pieces from, different parts of your scalp.
• 9:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: So, I mean, that it, I didn't even notice it gone.
• 9:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, you can't even notice.
• 9:20
  Dr. Heather Finley: So that was fine.
• 9:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: I didn't worry about.
• 9:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay, so you met with our team and they really walked you through how much stress depletes your minerals, which makes sense.
• 9:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: The last 13 years have definitely not been, oh, a cakewalk for you with dad dying and, raising three kids and obviously your job is stressful, you're a CPA, and so tax season and all the, the stressors that come along with that and just, it's, it's been a stressful 13 years, like you said, and one of the patterns that we saw in your test was that your potassium was really depleted.
• 9:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: Your magnesium was actually really high.
• 9:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: If I remember correctly, which one might look at that?
• 10:01
  Dr. Heather Finley: And say, oh, well you're taking too much magnesium.
• 10:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: But what we actually know from that, based on your patterns, was your body was actually burning through so much magnesium and like to your point, you were drinking a lot of water and it was going straight through you.
• 10:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: That's one of the telltale signs of magnesium loss is if your body doesn't have enough magnesium, you'll feel like you're drinking a ton of water and you're just.
• 10:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Peeing it out and in addition to that, your sodium was actually really high, which is actually not something that we see a ton.
• 10:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: We typically see really depleted sodium.
• 10:33
  Dr. Heather Finley: But in the case for you, it made a lot of sense just with the stress history and patterns.
• 10:39
  Dr. Heather Finley: Sometimes we'll see sodium really elevated when the body is fighting stress.
• 10:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: So what was the most challenging recommendation that our team gave you when you met with them?
• 10:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: The most challenging was actually the amount of water that I was supposed to drink was, I don't even remember how much it was, but it's a lot.
• 10:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I still do it now.
• 10:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: But actually once I started with the minerals.
• 10:59
  Dr. Heather Finley: It, I didn't feel like the, I was going to the bathroom every 10 minutes.
• 11:03
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like it, like it stayed with me.
• 11:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then I just felt like I wasn't bloated anymore.
• 11:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like, I just felt like, you would think that you would be drinking more water and you'd feel really full and really bloated, but, You don't.
• 11:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: But I just started feeling so much better and sleeping through the night.
• 11:19
  Dr. Heather Finley: I know you asked what the most challenging part was.
• 11:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: I guess for me though, was like I just keeping track.
• 11:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 11:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: Just being a little more intentional about that.
• 11:27
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 11:27
  Dr. Heather Finley: I know another recommendation that we gave you, which kind of wasn't really mineral related, was actually eating enough protein.
• 11:33
  Dr. Heather Finley: Oh yes, that's right.
• 11:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: And you looked at me and you were like.
• 11:35
  Dr. Heather Finley: No, like I'm, you like rolled your eyes at me.
• 11:39
  Dr. Heather Finley: I am not eating more protein, but I guess when you started doing that, did you notice any differences?
• 11:46
  Dr. Heather Finley: Definitely.
• 11:46
  Dr. Heather Finley: I started eating more protein in the morning.
• 11:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: That was the biggest'cause I had trouble.
• 11:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: I, once I get up and get rolling, like I wanna get to work and get the day done.
• 11:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I was not doing well with breakfast, but once I started like actually making like a protein smoothie and having like some hard boil egg or whatever, cottage cheese, trying, trying to what do you call, layer it layer things.
• 12:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: I realized, wow, if I can eat 30 grams of protein, I feel so much better and I'm full all the way till lunch.
• 12:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I just, and I felt better.
• 12:20
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, a lot better.
• 12:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay, so you met with the team, and then what we did was we custom formulated a Vicon blend for you, and that is something that a lot of our clients opt to do out of pure convenience and honestly affordability as well when we're looking at.
• 12:37
  Dr. Heather Finley: Repleting Minerals.
• 12:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: Obviously there's tons of products out there and tons that you had tried.
• 12:42
  Dr. Heather Finley: You had tried Element, which actually wasn't the correct product for you because your sodium was really high.
• 12:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: You had tried Pickleball Cocktail or what's now called Potassium Cocktail.
• 12:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: You had tried Ultima, which all of those are great products, but they weren't exactly what your body needed, so we were able to custom blend this powder for you where.
• 13:00
  Dr. Heather Finley: Then you had everything that you needed and two scoops a day.
• 13:03
  Dr. Heather Finley: And initially you actually had a lot of trouble tolerating the powder.
• 13:07
  Dr. Heather Finley: So we're gonna give you the good, the bad, the ugly on this.
• 13:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's not, we're not everything is rainbows and butterflies, but talk us through the process of trying the powder, what you experienced, and then where you're at now with, I guess now you're actually on your second powder.
• 13:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: What happened in between?
• 13:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 13:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: And, and kind of in between.
• 13:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay.
• 13:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I started on the powder and really gung-ho about it, and I had some tummy troubles.
• 13:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: It wasn't sitting with me.
• 13:31
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so the recommendation was like, what's it called?
• 13:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: Titrate.
• 13:35
  Dr. Heather Finley: Titrate it.
• 13:35
  Dr. Heather Finley: Where I started with a quarter of the amount, like for five days, and then it went up to a half.
• 13:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: Once I did that and I kind of got in a pattern, I mean within I would say two weeks, I never had another leg cramp.
• 13:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: It was remarkable.
• 13:52
  Dr. Heather Finley: I was still playing the same amount of pickleball, if not probably more still walking up and down the hills.
• 13:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I was not having them at all.
• 13:59
  Dr. Heather Finley: They were, they, they completely went away.
• 14:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so that was amazing.
• 14:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I was getting through that first big, huge thing of of my blend.
• 14:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: It comes in a big.
• 14:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: Jar and I was about through it when January hit this year and in California and the California fires.
• 14:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I had to leave my home, which was completely filled with smoke, another stressful event.
• 14:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: And anyways, once I could move back in, about three months later, I had to throw that away.
• 14:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, it was opened, I had to throw it away and.
• 14:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, obviously I talked to you about it, but what what it came down to is I started having leg cramps again.
• 14:40
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, I had gone to Texas for a little bit, but once I came back and started walking those hills and, playing pickleball and all that, I started getting leg cramps again.
• 14:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so that's when you cut my hair again and we, we did a new blend and here we are a couple weeks into it and I have not had another leg cramp so.
• 14:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: Going back to the beginning when you said I started having some tummy troubles.
• 15:01
  Dr. Heather Finley: So this is something that happens to a lot of our clients who are really Type A overachievers.
• 15:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: We're just gonna push through it where they're like, I'm fine.
• 15:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm not gonna follow the titration schedule.
• 15:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm just gonna go straight to the full dose.
• 15:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: Do it.
• 15:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: Don't do it.
• 15:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: People don't do it.
• 15:19
  Dr. Heather Finley: This mineral blend is.
• 15:20
  Dr. Heather Finley: So potent and so powerful.
• 15:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: It takes time for your body to adjust, and minerals are gonna shift with each other.
• 15:27
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so I did that too.
• 15:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: I think maybe that's why we're related.
• 15:32
  Dr. Heather Finley: Obviously we just don't follow directions very well.
• 15:35
  Dr. Heather Finley: But when you titrate it, your body can adapt to it.
• 15:37
  Dr. Heather Finley: And some people are obviously slower than others, but we have a lot of clients that do that.
• 15:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: They're like, oh, I just kind of skipped over the directions, and then we gotta go back and titrate.
• 15:46
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay, so muscle cramps was the main reason, obviously why we recommended that you do an HTMA.
• 15:54
  Dr. Heather Finley: Have you seen any other benefits or other changes by supporting your minerals, especially, you know, yeah, with the fires earlier this year and having to evacuate and completely redo your house.
• 16:06
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's not like this year has really not been that stressful either.
• 16:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: So the theme of your life.
• 16:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: So any other benefits that you've noticed or even, oh, if I go X amount of days without supporting minerals, whether it's through a custom blend or just taking electrolyte powder, do you notice shifts in like your energy or your sleep or, I know you're post-menopausal obviously, but hormones or anything like that?
• 16:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: I actually do notice I have kind of a stressful job and so I noticed that when I was not on the minerals, I found myself getting very anxious a lot, like very often maybe short with people that I had no business being short with.
• 16:43
  Dr. Heather Finley: But also just feeling, tired in the afternoon.
• 16:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: And also, I wasn't sleeping well, so, and I thought I wasn't sleeping well because of the fires, because of the stress, and, and all that.
• 16:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: But I truly, it was the minerals.
• 16:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's like my, I, my minerals weren't supported.
• 17:00
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so I was, I was again, waking up at two, waking up at four back on the minerals.
• 17:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm sleeping through the night again.
• 17:07
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't see myself feeling anxious.
• 17:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: Um, I mean, it's, it's been amazing.
• 17:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like I feel like a different person.
• 17:13
  Dr. Heather Finley: That's pretty crazy.
• 17:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 17:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, it makes sense, but sometimes I feel silly when I tell people about minerals because it seems almost too simple, right?
• 17:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like, you do this test, you cut a piece of your hair, you send it to the lab, we analyze the results for you, we create a custom plan for you, whether that's a custom mineral blend or standalone recommendations or even, I know we provided you with a lot of recommendations of mineral rich food.
• 17:39
  Dr. Heather Finley: Add coconut water to your smoothie, add more avocados, add more this mineral rich foods.
• 17:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: So it almost seems too good to be true.
• 17:46
  Dr. Heather Finley: I guess what are, what are your thoughts or how would you explain this to somebody who maybe is like a little skeptical?
• 17:53
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, there's no way that it works that good.
• 17:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, I would just encourage them to try it, honestly.
• 17:59
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, I can only, I can have'em listen to this podcast.
• 18:01
  Dr. Heather Finley: I.
• 18:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: I, I don't think I would've believed it until I tried it.
• 18:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: Because it is, like you said, it's a little bit too good to be true.
• 18:07
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's like, you know, I was, I love Heather, your mineral cocktails and you know, I look forward to coming home from work and having one of those, but a little coconut water and, you know, some bubbly water and a little electro like powder that wasn't doing the trick.
• 18:19
  Dr. Heather Finley: That wasn't enough minerals and that wasn't the minerals I needed.
• 18:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: Do I love still having those?
• 18:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yes.
• 18:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: But it was all those other minerals that I was missing that I needed and.
• 18:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: So that's what me think that has made all the difference is having the right blend.
• 18:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 18:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: So, yeah, I agree.
• 18:36
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's like I'm a huge fan of mineral mocktails and something that I love concocting and making, but, sometimes we often describe it to our clients, like, if you're digging a pool in your backyard, there's a huge ditch, right?
• 18:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: And you have to go in and you have to basically fill the pool back up with water.
• 18:52
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then once you're there, you can kind of maintain it.
• 18:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: But who knows how long you've been depleted.
• 18:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: Obviously the last 10 years have been really stressful, but before that it wasn't like it was easy either.
• 19:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: You had three kids and you know, you had, you birthed three babies, which is very depleting.
• 19:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: So this could have been building for years and years and years before kind of the straw broke the camel's back, for lack of a better analogy.
• 19:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: Sure.
• 19:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean a hundred percent and I mean, I know because I can look back on like leg cramps and things that I've had for like.
• 19:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: A long time.
• 19:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: And also, probably starting with perimenopause, the not sleeping through the night thing.
• 19:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I'm a true believer that, once your minerals are supported, like it just helps your whole, I mean, your whole body, like, and everything about you in life.
• 19:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, you're.
• 19:39
  Dr. Heather Finley: Sleeping better.
• 19:39
  Dr. Heather Finley: So when you sleep better, you produce better during the day, you're a happier person.
• 19:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: And the worst thing for me is like that anxious feeling.
• 19:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: And to not have that, is truly, a gift, truly amazing.
• 19:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like to just feel like, feel normal.
• 19:53
  Dr. Heather Finley: I love that.
• 19:53
  Dr. Heather Finley: Is there anything else you wanna share before I'll give you an opportunity to maybe throw me under the bus or tell people something about me that maybe they wouldn't know from following me on Instagram or listening to this podcast.
• 20:06
  Dr. Heather Finley: But before we do that, anything like last thoughts you wanna share?
• 20:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: Oh, last shot's about you.
• 20:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: Wow.
• 20:12
  Dr. Heather Finley: This is, no, not about, about, about minerals.
• 20:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: About minerals.
• 20:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, highly recommend.
• 20:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, I have several friends that have, that are doing them, and definitely titrate.
• 20:22
  Dr. Heather Finley: Don't, don't go full.
• 20:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Don't go full in.
• 20:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: Take it slow.
• 20:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: Okay, so now's the opportunity.
• 20:27
  Dr. Heather Finley: So I mean, a lot of people find this podcast because they follow me on Instagram, which is probably funny in itself to you that I'm doing that.
• 20:35
  Dr. Heather Finley: Probably surprising also that I'm running a business.
• 20:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: So yeah, just as my mom, I.
• 20:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: What would you like to share?
• 20:42
  Dr. Heather Finley: Anything.
• 20:43
  Dr. Heather Finley: And you can throw me under the bus as much or as little as you want.
• 20:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't think I wanna throw you on the bus, but just I think one of the most interesting things for me is that here you are, this entrepreneur on Instagram, and I just remember back to fourth grade, Heather, that was, getting ready for a poem party and she had to stand up in front of her classroom, you know, what, 22 people in the classroom and having a complete meltdown outside the classroom because she could not get up in front of people and talk.
• 21:13
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I remember then after you had your first baby after Charlotte was born and Heather went and spoke, it's the first time I saw her speak at an event.
• 21:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I'm holding little Charlotte, like two weeks old or something, three weeks old.
• 21:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: She was little.
• 21:26
  Dr. Heather Finley: And Heather got up there and spoke and I thought, oh my gosh, this is that same girl that could not read a poem, not even a poem she wrote, but a, a poem in front of her fourth grade class.
• 21:37
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm like, look at her now.
• 21:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: I thought that was amazing.
• 21:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: And just how far you've come to, Heather's always young for her grade and you know, we sent 17-year-old Heather off to college, 1200 miles away from California.
• 21:51
  Dr. Heather Finley: And, as a D one swimmer too, and, for her, us to leave Texas and leave her there.
• 21:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: And her words to us were, please don't leave me like we were abandoning her.
• 22:03
  Dr. Heather Finley: And to see like how far she's come and how far she's, you know, how much she's grown and, you know, just, you know, embracing swimming.
• 22:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then, moving on to a.
• 22:13
  Dr. Heather Finley: Awesome coordinated program and nutrition and actually being sorority president all at the same time and just doing all the things.
• 22:20
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, I knew she was gonna go places had no idea that this, and it just keeps continuing.
• 22:26
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm super proud of you and it's just been, such a joy to watch.
• 22:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: Oh, thanks.
• 22:32
  Dr. Heather Finley: I didn't think you'd make me cry, but seriously, one of the more traumatizing moments of my life was definitely that poem party I remember.
• 22:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: That so distinctly, for whatever reason, I don't have a ton of childhood memories, which is something that we always joke about.
• 22:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: Maybe I needed minerals as a child.
• 22:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't know.
• 22:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: Obviously I did with my GI issues, which you know, the more you know now, obviously none of the doctors that we went to were talking about this.
• 22:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: But yeah, I remember that so, so distinctly, and I'm pretty sure what happened was I had to go back the next day and do it.
• 23:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yes.
• 23:06
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I mean, I think, yeah, that was one of the more traumatizing 48 hours of my life for sure.
• 23:12
  Dr. Heather Finley: The poem party.
• 23:13
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: Making you public speak.
• 23:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 23:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: Maybe that's why I don't really love reading that much.
• 23:19
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't know.
• 23:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: I never thought about that.
• 23:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: I, I like listening to books, but I'm not like a big, like sit down and read a book type of person.
• 23:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'll listen to it.
• 23:30
  Dr. Heather Finley: I like listening to podcasts, but man, yeah.
• 23:33
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I distinctly remember, I'll throw myself under the bus, being at TCU where I went to college, we went to Target too.
• 23:42
  Dr. Heather Finley: And buy some stuff for the dorm room.
• 23:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: And what did I say to you in the aisle of Target melt?
• 23:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: Just down.
• 23:48
  Dr. Heather Finley: Look, we were trying to buy her a rug.
• 23:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, we were trying to buy a rug for my dorm room and I had a complete full blown meltdown in the middle of Target that.
• 23:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 23:59
  Dr. Heather Finley: Or you just wanted to leave in there that you guys didn't care about me anymore and you just wanted to leave me in Texas and my, my dad is looking at me like, what planet are you from?
• 24:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: You are the one that chose to go here.
• 24:12
  Dr. Heather Finley: We're trying to support you.
• 24:14
  Dr. Heather Finley: I obviously didn't know how to deal with my emotions at that point in time.
• 24:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: Clearly I needed minerals then as well.
• 24:20
  Dr. Heather Finley: Oh my gosh.
• 24:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 24:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: But hey, we made it.
• 24:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah, we made it and we're doing it.
• 24:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: Doing it.
• 24:26
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, I think it's amazing.
• 24:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: Um, you know, one of the things too for you was not only, being a dietician, but then an entrepreneur.
• 24:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: Really hard to do when you're not a business, have no business background.
• 24:39
  Dr. Heather Finley: You, it's not you were a business mine or anything.
• 24:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: And that was incredible for you to just say, you know what?
• 24:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: I'm gonna hire people to do this part of my business.
• 24:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, you know, that was smart.
• 24:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: That's how you make more or that's how you become successful is do the things you're good at and leave it the other things to somebody else that they're good at.
• 24:56
  Dr. Heather Finley: But you can't do everything.
• 24:58
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so you learn that like really early on, which really.
• 25:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: Helped you just launch yourself, uh, you know, further and further.
• 25:06
  Dr. Heather Finley: Um, so I was super proud of you for that.
• 25:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: And it's just kind of funny'cause I am a business person and so I don't understand what, she didn't know how to balance her checkbook.
• 25:15
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like, wait, what?
• 25:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: I know somehow I missed all those lessons.
• 25:18
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't know.
• 25:19
  Dr. Heather Finley: I got to college and I'm like, how do you write a check?
• 25:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: I don't know.
• 25:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: It was a lot of figuring it out for sure.
• 25:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: But yes, I remember calling you when my QuickBooks was double importing and I said, I.
• 25:29
  Dr. Heather Finley: Can't do this, I'm gonna throw my computer at the wall.
• 25:32
  Dr. Heather Finley: And that's when I ended up hiring a CPA to balance my books for the first time when I had, this is like way back when, pre-kids all the things when I had a brick and mortar practice.
• 25:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then, yeah, when I decided to start like the, this side of the business, I was like, I definitely need someone to teach me how to do this, because we had.
• 25:52
  Dr. Heather Finley: One business class in college, and it was like a marketing class.
• 25:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: I had to go buy that suit, remember?
• 25:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: Mm-hmm.
• 25:57
  Dr. Heather Finley: And we had to do a presentation and that was it.
• 26:00
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's a lot of winging it and figuring it out and making a lot of mistakes along the way, but.
• 26:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's great.
• 26:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 26:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: Well, this has been fun and I'm sure there might be some follow up questions.
• 26:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: So if you have any follow up questions, feel free to DM me on Instagram or send us an email and I'm happy to expand even more.
• 26:17
  Dr. Heather Finley: But actually, one thing that just came to mind on a, a podcast I did, which.
• 26:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: At the time we're recording this, it was last week's podcast, but this will be a couple weeks out.
• 26:25
  Dr. Heather Finley: But I actually talked about this on a podcast about becoming an entrepreneur and how I think, I don't think I believed it for myself all along, but how I had like these female leaders that I was always very interested in throughout my life.
• 26:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like Katie Couric, remember we stalked her outside of her, outside of her door when I was like, what, like 10 years old or something?
• 26:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: Eighth grade.
• 26:49
  Dr. Heather Finley: Eighth grade.
• 26:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then I always told you, or I told you this last summer when we were watching the parent trap with Charlotte, and I said, I always really admired her having like the wedding dress business.
• 27:00
  Dr. Heather Finley: And you were like, that's what you took from the movie.
• 27:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I was like, yeah.
• 27:03
  Dr. Heather Finley: She just always seemed to love what she did and she was successful, but she was also a good mom.
• 27:08
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so I think sometimes maybe you have these little glimmers in your life of like maybe where you're headed, but you don't quite believe it yet, or, you latch onto things that maybe you don't realize will have an effect on you later, right?
• 27:21
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then you, your whole life said you wanted to be a teacher.
• 27:23
  Dr. Heather Finley: I mean, that was it.
• 27:24
  Dr. Heather Finley: You wanted to be a teacher and you kept saying you wanted to be a teacher.
• 27:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then one time you came home from club swimming and said, we had a dietician come today.
• 27:33
  Dr. Heather Finley: Like that would be a fun hobby.
• 27:34
  Dr. Heather Finley: And I remember saying to you.
• 27:36
  Dr. Heather Finley: Your passion can be your career.
• 27:38
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so you turn that like, okay.
• 27:41
  Dr. Heather Finley: And then actually what you do now is you do teach.
• 27:43
  Dr. Heather Finley: Mm-hmm.
• 27:44
  Dr. Heather Finley: You know, it doesn't, teacher doesn't necessarily have to be inside a classroom.
• 27:47
  Dr. Heather Finley: And so I think that you always knew that you wanted to teach people.
• 27:50
  Dr. Heather Finley: It's just, and looks different than what you had initially thought.
• 27:54
  Dr. Heather Finley: So.
• 27:54
  Dr. Heather Finley: Totally.
• 27:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Dr. Heather Finley: Teaching, teaching people about their bodies and teaching people about nutrition and health and teaching other practitioners as well, which I love.
• 28:03
  Dr. Heather Finley: So.
• 28:04
  Dr. Heather Finley: Well, thank you so much for joining.
• 28:05
  Dr. Heather Finley: This has been really fun.
• 28:07
  Dr. Heather Finley: Probably my favorite guest I've ever had.
• 28:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: Of course.
• 28:10
  Dr. Heather Finley: So thanks for joining us.
• 28:11
  Dr. Heather Finley: You're welcome.
• 28:12
  Dr. Heather Finley: Thank you so much for having me.
• 28:13
  Dr. Heather Finley: This has been super fun.
• 28:16
  Dr. Heather Finley: I hope you love today's conversation with my mom.
• 28:19
  Dr. Heather Finley: I know it was such a special one for me to record, and if this episode got you thinking about your own minerals, your energy, or those symptoms that haven't made sense.
• 28:28
  Dr. Heather Finley: Even after normal Labs, this is your sign to dig a little deeper.
• 28:32
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• 28:36
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• 28:44
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• 28:48
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• 28:48
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• 28:53
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• 28:55
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• 29:02
  Dr. Heather Finley: Thanks again for listening, and I'm so excited for next week to continue the series on minerals.
• 29:09
  Dr. Heather Finley: So make sure to tune in.