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Mental Health Matters Renew Your Mind, Renew Your Life - EP-022 - But Deliver Me from Crazy · Mental Health Matters - Overcomers.tv

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Mental Health Matters on Overcomers
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  Speaker 2: TV Live. I'm Pastor Chuck Reese, show host, executive producer.
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  Speaker 2: Super excited to have Katie R. Dale on again with
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  Speaker 2: us today. She's the author of But Deliver Me From Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, Katie.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to be here, Pastor Chuck. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Good. And we are live. And is it okay to
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  Speaker 2: let everybody know that you're in Germany quite a few
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  Speaker 2: hours ahead of us, but it's always right now, wherever
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  Speaker 2: you are in the world, right?
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. And so, yeah, for those listening to the
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  Speaker 2: podcast audio later, katierdale.com and katie at bipolarbrave.com is our
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  Speaker 2: email address. We're talking about bipolar today because it's a,
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  Speaker 2: to me, I think there's a stigma to it. And
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  Speaker 2: also it's a turned into a five cent word. It's
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  Speaker 2: a really serious thing, but anybody, you know, in your
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  Speaker 2: life that's has emotional highs and emotional lows, they start
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  Speaker 2: labeling them with bipolar. So first of all, give us
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  Speaker 2: a little insight into you, maybe some of your background and,
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  Speaker 2: We'll get into why you wrote the book.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. So when I was 15, 16, on the
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  Speaker 3: cusp of changing schools from a public school to a
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  Speaker 3: private Christian school attached to the church we went to,
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  Speaker 3: I decided I would like to have a biblical education,
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  Speaker 3: Christian worldview exposure to that kind of education and fell
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  Speaker 3: into a deep depression that year, that fall. And it
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  Speaker 3: turned into some suicidal ideation. And we saw the doctor
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  Speaker 3: psychiatrist who then put me on some medications and I
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  Speaker 3: started seeing some weight gain, rapid weight gain. And we
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  Speaker 3: addressed that through changing the medicine, but we went straight
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  Speaker 3: up changing the medicine without tapering. And that sent me
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  Speaker 3: into a manic psychosis state. where I heard voices and
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  Speaker 3: I was very scared. Um, this was my new, I
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  Speaker 3: was 16 and I had, um, a lot of anxiety
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  Speaker 3: and it just spiraled out of control. I was admitted
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  Speaker 3: into the hospital, the local, uh, hospital in the area
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  Speaker 3: with a children's juvenile psych unit that they had, which
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  Speaker 3: was actually very, you know, it was an inpatient experience.
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  Speaker 3: So I had to, it was a kind of a
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  Speaker 3: a shock of like being in an inside a hospital
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  Speaker 3: like that. But it was a three week stay and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, by the grace of God, the medicine, the doctors,
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  Speaker 3: the therapies, I returned to recover. I eventually graduated high
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  Speaker 3: school on time. And then I went on to college.
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  Speaker 3: I was medic, you know, using the medicine and going
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  Speaker 3: through therapy and be able to, I was able to live,
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  Speaker 3: high functioning, normal life. When I was in college, I
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  Speaker 3: met my husband online and he was, it was very
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  Speaker 3: distant relationship. We were like a whole country apart, pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: I was in New York, he was in Florida while
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  Speaker 3: we dated. So the internet and the boom of online
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  Speaker 3: dating and everything at that time was a new thing.
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  Speaker 3: But Yeah, we made it work. And then three years
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  Speaker 3: into our marriage, I went off my medicine thinking I
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  Speaker 3: had been healed. This was just this fluke thing when
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  Speaker 3: I was 16.
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  Speaker 4: It was hormones.
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  Speaker 3: It was them putting on a medicine like this. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I ended up back in the hospital for three months.
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  Speaker 3: And I just had to learn the hard way, like
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  Speaker 3: by the grace of God, he's given me those meds
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  Speaker 3: to address this. It's chronic, it's lifelong, but you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I am going to thank the Lord for answering my
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  Speaker 3: prayers for healing that way.
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  Speaker 2: For sure. We're body, soul, and spirit. And again, where
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  Speaker 2: I sit 4,100 interviews later, I would say I've got
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  Speaker 2: a really good sample of the body of Christ. Very
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  Speaker 2: diverse from the Pentecostals who expect God to jump through
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  Speaker 2: their hoops, love them to death, love their zeal. I
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  Speaker 2: expect God to move. I ask God to move, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not telling him what to do. So there's some
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  Speaker 2: people that are just telling God, oh, healing now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: God's timing is always perfect. And I appreciate their heart
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  Speaker 2: and their zeal. And we're expecting God to do great things.
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  Speaker 2: We don't tell God what to do. He tells us
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  Speaker 2: what to do.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And I've seen in some circles where the faith of
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  Speaker 2: the preacher or the evangelist or the prophet, you know,
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  Speaker 2: trying to operate in gifts. If God is telling you, Katie,
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  Speaker 2: to throw away your medicine, then you can throw away
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  Speaker 2: your medicine. But if somebody is telling you in the
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  Speaker 2: church to do that, that's dangerous. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: bottom out. And again, suicidal, a lot of suicides. I
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  Speaker 2: know some really strong believers. I know one particular worked, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: as president of this ministry and committed suicide on Christmas
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  Speaker 2: Eve of all the nights to do it because I
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  Speaker 2: think he went off his meds.
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  Speaker 4: So mental health.
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  Speaker 2: Matters, faith, and the physical realm. There has to be
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  Speaker 2: a balance here.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Elaborate a little bit more on that. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: God raised up doctors and the medical community.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the person with the gift of healing, like
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  Speaker 2: Benny Hinn was a big deal back then. He wasn't
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  Speaker 2: going from hospital to hospital, clearing out room from room
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  Speaker 2: from room. Because Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12 says
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  Speaker 2: God gives out these gifts as he wills when he
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  Speaker 2: wants to, not when you want to.
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  Speaker 3: On his terms, of course. Yeah. You're preaching to the choir. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the safety in a multitude of counselors, multitude of counselors,
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  Speaker 2: that would include the medical community, right? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'd do without my psychiatrist. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: without those medicines, I would not, I would probably not
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  Speaker 3: be here because that illness is so severe when I
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  Speaker 3: have it, when I'm unmedicated and untreated, I definitely like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not myself anymore. in my personality or my habits
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  Speaker 3: or my behaviors. And it's definitely a challenge to function,
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  Speaker 3: just to live.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you seem pretty super duper right now. Is anybody
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  Speaker 2: saying super duper anymore? Is that still a thing? We'll
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  Speaker 2: bring that back.
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  Speaker 3: We'll bring it back. We'll bring that back into circulation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Praise God. Yes. And it's a big, it's a big topic.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why, again, I'm glad you wrote the book,
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  Speaker 2: Deliver Me From Crazy. which is a spinoff on the
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  Speaker 2: Lord's prayer, you know, just to bring in the Bible
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. We always use Bible gateway. And I
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  Speaker 2: always like to give a little shout out to the
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  Speaker 2: verse of the day, which still happened to be Isaiah 43,
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  Speaker 2: 11 through 12, which was part of my daily Bible
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  Speaker 2: reading today, 40, 43 and 44. I didn't know it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was 39 days behind, but this was
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  Speaker 2: my area of scripture. So God's making me read it twice,
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  Speaker 2: a third time with Katie, because we talked about it before. I,
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  Speaker 2: even I am the Lord. And besides me, There is
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  Speaker 2: no savior. I have declared and saved. I have proclaimed
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  Speaker 2: and there was no foreign God among you. Therefore you
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  Speaker 2: are my witnesses. And the quote says the Lord that
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  Speaker 2: I am God. First thoughts to that verse after you
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  Speaker 2: read it, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: John 14, six, Jesus is saying, I am the way,
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  Speaker 3: the truth, the life. No one can come to the
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  Speaker 3: father except through me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's the Lord. He's the Lord.
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  Speaker 4: He's the one who's going.
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  Speaker 3: To save nobody else.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and in a translation, I know this is Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: which we believe is God with some skin on. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: no one can come to me except by me. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: you want to go to Chuck's house? You got to
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  Speaker 2: go to Chuck's house. This is my house.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: There's no back door. There's no side door.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Right on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. So, you know, and in the Gospels, it's
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  Speaker 2: the only thing we have recorded in Scripture. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things Jesus did that were not written down
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  Speaker 2: according to John. And if they were, there probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be enough room in the world for all the books
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  Speaker 2: because he's a part of everything everywhere. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: created all things by him, through him, for him. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But what we have in the Gospels, the only thing
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  Speaker 2: recorded that they asked him to teach them was Lord,
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  Speaker 2: teach us how to pray. That's the only thing that
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  Speaker 2: we see in Scripture, them asking Jesus to teach them about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there were some sidebar conversations where maybe they
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  Speaker 2: just weren't recorded in the Gospels. But, you know, deliver
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  Speaker 2: me from evil was part of the pattern. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you come up with this book, deliver me from crazy,
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  Speaker 2: another phrase, cray-cray. That was going around for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: And my daughter said, Dad, we don't say cray-cray anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I said, no, that says a lot because some people
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  Speaker 2: are cray-cray. Yeah. I mean, there's sometimes– Big word. When
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  Speaker 2: someone's really crazy, criminally insane, 51%. 50, that's a label.
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  Speaker 2: We just can't slap on somebody because they may be
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  Speaker 2: highly emotional in a moment. Thoughts on some of that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, yeah. I mean, to the person who's in
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  Speaker 3: that state of mind, that might trigger them. You're being crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Like when you're in that crazy state, when I was
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  Speaker 3: in those States, I always wanted to deny it. And
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  Speaker 3: I say, I'm creative. I'm not crazy. I'm creative because
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  Speaker 3: in the bipolar, you have that tendency to be creative
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  Speaker 3: and grandiose thoughts and the rapid thoughts that cycle through
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  Speaker 3: your brain. And it's, you're, you're going on 180 different directions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm ADD, ADHD, all that. And I call it multitasking.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In bipolar, it's like you could be like that for
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  Speaker 3: a few days and then you'll cycle back into a depression,
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  Speaker 3: a depressed state. And that can be the opposite where
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  Speaker 3: you're just like miserable and suffering and sorrowful and under
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  Speaker 3: that cloud of darkness.
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  Speaker 2: So Deliver Me from Crazy, that's your book. It's on Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: And top left corner, the website's being worked on today,
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  Speaker 2: but come tomorrow and that top left corner will get
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  Speaker 2: you to her website. Katie R. Dale, that QR code there,
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  Speaker 2: or just type in Katie, K-A-T-I-E-R, Dale, D-A-L-E dot com
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  Speaker 2: will get you to her website. How did God put
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  Speaker 2: on your heart to even write the book? When did that?
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  Speaker 2: That's a process, putting pen to paper, right? Well, it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Process, but I had the burden when I was in
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  Speaker 3: the hospital the first time. I told the doctor, the
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  Speaker 3: practicing doctor there who was on the floor, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, so what do you think you want to
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  Speaker 3: do when you get out of here? I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why he asked me that, but maybe he's trying to
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  Speaker 3: get my eyes off of the situation around me.
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  Speaker 4: But I go, I want to.
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  Speaker 3: Write a book about this place. This is nuts as
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  Speaker 3: it is. But it's amazing also the people I met there.
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  Speaker 3: because there was some amazing people that were working there
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  Speaker 3: who were like angels to me.
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  Speaker 4: And they just.
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  Speaker 3: Had such a heart for these children. I was impressed.
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  Speaker 3: There was a lady, her name was, I call her
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  Speaker 3: Rosie in the book. And her name was actually Holly,
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  Speaker 3: but she was a miracle. Like she told me she
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  Speaker 3: had fostered or adopted like seven or eight kids, including
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  Speaker 3: had her own children, her own offspring. And then she,
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  Speaker 3: whenever she was making a decision, she'd bring it to
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  Speaker 3: the Lord and like, seek him on it. Like for
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  Speaker 3: like the smallest things. I'm like, wow, I want to
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  Speaker 3: be like you when I grow up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's interesting. That's, you know, first Thessalonians five is
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  Speaker 2: an amazing, you know, every letter Paul wrote was just
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  Speaker 2: so anointed. You can almost preach on every verse, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a couple at the end of first Thessalonians five that,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get to pray without ceasing. It's verse 17.
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  Speaker 2: But 16 is rejoice always. That's tied for first place
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  Speaker 2: on the shortest verse. Also, John 11, 32, Jesus wept.
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  Speaker 2: Two words. This is your memory verse for today. Rejoice always.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, rejoice always.
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  Speaker 2: Pray without ceasing. That means we don't have to be
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  Speaker 2: on our knees. I saw a bumper sticker. God answers
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  Speaker 2: an e-mail. Well, you know, that's a humble position to
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  Speaker 2: get on your knees and bow before the Lord. I
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  Speaker 2: get that. But all day long as you're praying, as
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  Speaker 2: you're walking, talking with Jesus, right? And in everything, give thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Not for everything. There's some tough stuff that happens in
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  Speaker 2: the world. And he made us emotional creatures. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can't deny emotions and feelings. They're real.
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  Speaker 3: I was just saying that to somebody today. You got
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  Speaker 3: to feel your feelings. They're not evil. They're totally there
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  Speaker 3: for a reason. They indicate things aren't. what's happening, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with the rest of your, your body and your spirit
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  Speaker 3: and your soul. But yeah, I totally agree with the,
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  Speaker 3: you know, acknowledge your feelings, be honest, be real with
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  Speaker 3: God and yourself and go to him with, with it
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  Speaker 3: because we're supposed to humble ourselves before the Lord and
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  Speaker 3: not pretend. And yeah, he's, he sees everything that's going
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  Speaker 3: through our mind. He knows our thoughts. He knows what
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  Speaker 3: we're going to say next, but part of, what I
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  Speaker 3: call a relationship, R-E-A-L, relationship with the Lord, is going
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  Speaker 3: to him and communing with him. And not just a one-way, like, oh, Lord,
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  Speaker 3: pray your prayer. But he's going to answer that prayer.
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  Speaker 3: I believe he answers it in different ways. He's there
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  Speaker 3: in your heart with the Holy Spirit, giving you that still,
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  Speaker 3: small voice. And as long as it filters through and
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  Speaker 3: checks out with scripture, I believe he's speaking to us
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  Speaker 3: all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: So here's a couple more verses after that, as he
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  Speaker 2: ends it in everything, give thanks for this is the
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  Speaker 2: will of God in Christ Jesus for you. So we
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  Speaker 2: want to be in Christ. We want Christ to be
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  Speaker 2: in us. So this is one of those verses. He
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  Speaker 2: flat out tells you what God wants for you, right?
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  Speaker 2: Do not quench the spirit. That's capital S that's Holy spirit.
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  Speaker 2: When God's trying to talk to you, don't go la
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  Speaker 2: la la la la. I'm not listening. Do not despise
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  Speaker 2: prophecies and prophecies is another word for truth. When people
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  Speaker 2: are speaking truth and you don't, Don't despise that. Test
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  Speaker 2: all things. Hold fast to all things. Abstain from every
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  Speaker 2: form of evil. And this last verse is what I
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  Speaker 2: want to get to. Verse 23. Now may the God
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  Speaker 2: of peace. That's the God of the Bible. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of gods in this world. But the God of peace
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  Speaker 2: himself sanctify you completely. And may your whole spirit and
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  Speaker 2: soul and body. I believe we're a triune person just
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  Speaker 2: like we have a triune God. Spirit, soul, body. One God.
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  Speaker 2: You know. or we have one person, Katie, one person,
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  Speaker 2: you're a mom, you're a daughter, you're a wife, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're an author, still Katie, one person, be preserved blameless
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  Speaker 2: at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who
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  Speaker 2: calls you as faithful will also will do it. So
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  Speaker 2: God's doing this work in you, but it's all three body, soul,
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  Speaker 2: and spirit cameras on tripods. One leg breaks, the camera
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  Speaker 2: falls down.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: We have to have our brains, you know, Intact. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're part of the body. And just like any other organ,
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  Speaker 3: we need that addressed when it gets sick.
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  Speaker 4: And it does.
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  Speaker 2: You see that all the time. It's an organ. It's
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  Speaker 2: an organ.
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  Speaker 3: It's an organ, just like any other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, aneurysms, strokes. I mean, that's a physical,
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  Speaker 2: real thing. And praise God, he has given us wisdom
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  Speaker 2: and technology to know what certain levels are. I mean, there's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, women have estrogen, testosterone for men. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's endorphins. There's all kinds of... chemical reactions that are
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  Speaker 2: going on all through our body and we're able to
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  Speaker 2: figure it out what's out of balance so and again
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  Speaker 2: back to my point i just can't underestimate this point
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  Speaker 2: we can't pray everything away we can ask for healing
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  Speaker 2: and if god moves you'll be the first to know
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  Speaker 2: it and it'll be part of your testimony but if
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  Speaker 2: not the answer to prayer is the wisdom on how
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  Speaker 2: to navigate it and work with it like paul said
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  Speaker 2: take this thorn in my flesh away from me yeah
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't a sin condition. That probably could have been
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  Speaker 2: his eyesight. The fact that Pharisees were vowing to kill him,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it was, it was a body ailment that he
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  Speaker 2: was praying for healing. God says, no, my grace is
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: sufficient for you.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So with praying away, you know, I taught
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  Speaker 3: something a while back on bringing intrusive thoughts under the
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: authority of Jesus and And it was kind of, it's a,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: it's a tool called the PASS method. So P stands
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: for pause.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: When the intrusive thought enters your head and your mind
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, don't fight it. Just pause. A
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: is acknowledge. So identify the thought. Okay. Thought of whatever
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  Speaker 3: you are, X, Y, Z, name it. And then you
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  Speaker 3: submit it. I submit you under the blood of Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: under his authority.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: And you stand on the truth.
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  Speaker 4: It's the last S.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: So I taught that one time and somebody came up
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: to me afterwards and they're like, Oh, so I can
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: pray away my symptoms and things. And I, I'm saying, no,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: like it's a good tool to have to recognize those
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: thoughts and it'll recondition your brain circuitry. Once you use
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: those therapies and that can lead to healing, but it's
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: not praying it away necessarily, especially if it's a clinical
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: medical needed, um, ailment when you need medicine, because the
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: medicine can also slow down the processes of the brain
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: synapses and to the point where the connections are slower
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: so that you are processing things better.
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  Speaker 2: That's powerful. A couple of things I want to point
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  Speaker 2: out here might be good. Under Overcomers TV Live, under
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  Speaker 2: our shows, we have Harmony of the Gospels. And it's
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  Speaker 2: all 25 hours of Messianic Jewish from a Jewish perspective,
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  Speaker 2: teaching of the life of the Messiah. And it takes
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  Speaker 2: 25 hours by Dr. Arnold Fuchtenbaum. Best 25 hours, listen,
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  Speaker 2: in 27 years of listening to preachers and reading the Bible,
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  Speaker 2: best 25 hours of my life. Because you see, if
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you look at the book of Luke, he does the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: life of Jesus in a chronological order. Luke does. Mark, Matthew,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: John don't. They're all over the place. But Luke puts
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it in order. And the first half of Jesus's ministry,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: he's committing miracles without anybody asking just to show up
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: who he is as messiah john the baptist said behold
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the lamb of god here's the messiah he does all
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: these miracles now the pharisees are backsliding or coming up
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: with an excuse why he's not because he's not keeping
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: pharisaical laws the man born blind right There was never
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a man born blind to this day that has been
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: medically surgery to give him his sight for the first time.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: People have lost their sight and we've been able to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: restore it. But nobody born blind has ever been able
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to been healed. So they had a rule. If a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: man born blind wanted to be healed, you can't do
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it on the Sabbath. You can't inject wine in his
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: eyes or use spit and mud. So what does God do?
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Has a man born blind, meet him when Jesus was there,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: uses spit and mud. On the Sabbath. To point to
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the Pharisees. Like that's one of your rules. That's not
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: from God. It's called the Mishnaic law. It's all these
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: laws that they wrote. From Malachi to Matthew. The size
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of the Encyclopedia Britannica. 1500 rules on what you cannot
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: do on the Sabbath. So Jesus kept doing those things.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: On the Sabbath. Which drove them nuts. So then they
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: started saying. Now he's doing it by the power of Beelzebub.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Not because he's the Messiah. At that point. Halfway through
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Jesus's ministry, he only does a miracle if someone shows
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: faith that he's the Messiah because the Jewish leaders rejected
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: his claims of being Messiah. So I say all this
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: because the greatest miracles that we want God to do,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like heal bipolar, paralyzed people, get up and walk, carry
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: your mat. That was one of their rules. You cannot
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: carry a mat on a Sabbath. That was one of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the 1500 rules. So he heals a guy who's paralyzed,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: tells him to pick up his mat and go. Upsets
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the Pharisees. They're like, wait a minute. You're not excited
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: that I'm walking again. You're worried about me carrying my
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: mat today on the Sabbath. I mean, so a lot
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of these pointed to his claims of being a Messiah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So fast forward 2000 years. I know we want the miracles.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: We love the story. Yeah. But God miracle always points
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to his authority and who he was as Messiah. That's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: why he did a lot of amazing miracles while he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: was here. But we as a church now, and again,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: back to this, this issue, um, praying it away we
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: ask and if god wants to add that to your
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: testimony as a miraculous healing miracles are like lightning strikes
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: they don't happen every page right you know we have
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the book of acts took like 40 years 38 years
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: for it to be written and we can read it
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: in like a couple days thinking it's happening every day
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: all these things chapter chapter chapter.
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: That's far and few between so i love the idea
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: that you know you got a balanced approach to you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: mental health and, you know, medical community counselors, just like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yes. I recommend, highly recommend that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. I just want to say, I mean, I deal
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: with the church and we could be a little kooky
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and over the top sometimes.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: But God loves his bride. So I don't want to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: talk too bad about the church because he loves his bride.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Thank you for bringing that up though. Cause that's, yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that's poignant.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That, Because the church could be cray cray and that's
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: turning off a lot of people. You know, it just really,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: it does. And we want to be attractive. We want
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: to shine his light. We want to be his hand.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: We want to be his feet. What else about the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: book do they need to know? It's on Amazon, right?
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: So we, yeah, I recommend it's, it's more of written
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: for an older, like adult population. It could be triggering
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to some people, especially like the first chapter is called
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: saved and suicidal. So I didn't make any attempts on
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: my life, but I talk about it in there just
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: so people know, you know, it's, there's no trigger warning
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: on the front, but there's that kind of content about
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: that temptation and what I startled with, with the psychosis
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and other hyper-religiosity, hyper-sexuality and those manic and psychotic things mostly.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: That's yeah. Some, interesting top chapters and topics to talk
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: about and you can talk about something um you know
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: and i think we talked last time we had a
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: 13 year old in our church julya um march will
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: be two years so it's about a year and a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: half now that when she was 13 one morning just
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: seemed like a teenager didn't want to wake up go
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: to go to do laundry on a saturday morning with
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: her mom you know through the covers over her head
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and a little argument with her mom and mom said
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: okay i'm gonna go do laundry and And 45 minutes later,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: she took her life in the bathroom and it just,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: no one saw it coming. No one saw it coming.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It's just sad. And so we need to talk about
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: this stuff. You never know what people are thinking about.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: No. Right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Like, how you doing? It's like, how you doing?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Turned into a hello.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: How you doing?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: How you doing?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, good. Let's get busy. You don't know. How are
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you doing? How are you really doing?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: How are you really doing?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So, um, And that's what the body of Christ is
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: over 51 and others in the Bible, new Testament, pray
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: for one another, encourage one another, love one another.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: That's the ability for us to minister one to each
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: one to another. It's not just a pastor's job, whether
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: you use pastor or the people that work in the church,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: if you will. Most churches are small. They don't even
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: have staff. They're like 75 or a hundred people. So
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it's body parts. Like what we're doing right now is therapeutic.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So he's listening in. They're being edified. They're going to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: learn from your testimony, your experience from this book. And
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit is going to use that. All right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: And one of the like memories I have that's in
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the book where the church really reached out to me,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: we were at a youth group gathering and it was
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: an informal gathering of just friends really from the same
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: youth group. Like nobody put it on except for this
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: girl in our church, one of our peers. And she
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: just had friends over at her house and, But I
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: remember we were going through one of those charades games
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: and I was up on, you know, it was my
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: turn to do the charade. And I was like, I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: really not feeling it. Like I'm in the throes of
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: depression and I didn't realize it. So that's another thing
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: when you're in these illnesses, you don't realize what you're
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: in unless someone's like, I think you're going through depression.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And it takes a little bit more awareness to see
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: from the outside looking in and from the inside looking
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: to recognize you may be depressed. But this friend of mine,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: she looked at me and she's like, she's hosting this thing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: She goes, how are you really doing? You know, are
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: you okay? And I'm like, not really. And it was
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: so hard because I'm an introverted person as it is.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: It was so hard to open up and be honest
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: and just tell her how I was feeling because I
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: didn't want to burn anybody. I didn't want to feel
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: like an inconvenience. But that compassion she showed me, really
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: went a long way. Like I was able to tell my,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: my brother who had brought me to the event. I
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I really don't feel like I'm myself anymore.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: So it did lead me to, you know, find that
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: help that I needed. But the churches is as long
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: as we're being present and noticing like Jesus did and
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: going towards the person and their problems and not obey
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: from them. That's where God can use us. That's where
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you can help us start healing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Amen. Well, I know you're in Germany and there is
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a time difference, but thank God for Facebook. We can
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: stay connected that way. So Katie or Dale already following
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you and we're friends and there's, you know, the website
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Katie at bipolar brave.com is her email. And you also
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: have a family with kids. So mom, That's another hat.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: That's the highest calling, being a mom. That is. Wife
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: and mom, man. Yeah. It's good.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I'm glad. A little shout out to Paul and Arlene Samuels,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: if you're watching.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: They're in Atlanta. And, you know, Paul is such a trooper.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: He wrote a book as well.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Is it Mental Health Meltdown? I think so.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Meltdown.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, he got a great, great heart for the cause.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I want to caution folks who try to use labels.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: These are medical terms, diagnoses. Unless you're a medical doctor,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: don't be calling anybody bipolar. These are serious terms. Your
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: job is to pray for them. If you're noticing something
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that's off, pray for them and ask that person, hey,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: how can I help?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: What can I do to help you today?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: If you don't have the answers or the resource or the,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the knowledge or the, the answers to what they're going through,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: you can always point them to resources. And I have
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: those on my website too. Um, when it's back up
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: and running, um, I have a game plan, which is
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: like a guide that has placeholders for your name, your info,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: your history, your medicine, um, in case of emergency, who
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: do you contact, uh, suicide prevention plan and resources that
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I've vetted, you know, that, I trust that I go
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to Christian and secular.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Amen. Well, I'd love for you to lead our viewers
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: in prayer and I'll close. Sound good?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds great. Thank you, pastor. Heavenly father. Thank
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: you for everybody who's joined us today. And I pray
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: for their hearts, Lord, and their minds, both heart and head. Lord,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: you've created us body, soul, and spirit and hearts. And
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: we just, pray that your your peace which reigns in
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: our hearts would permeate every part of us our minds
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and our bodies lord and that you would bring just
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: that you would calm the storms that we're going through
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and bring peace and still those still those waves lord
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Help us get to the help that we need when
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: we need it. Provide those people and those places to
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: get to. And we pray that you'd be glorified in
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: all this. We love you and praise you. And thank you.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: In Jesus' name, amen.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Amen, amen. I, too, thank you, Lord, for, yeah, it
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: is Paul Samuel's Mental Health Meltdown. I want to make
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: sure I got that title right. He also wrote Where
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: is Christmas? I wrote a few books, but just thank
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you how you knit the body parts together, how we
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: meet folks and introduce us to other folks you want
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: us to meet and how there's common testimony and how
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: our misery can become a ministry and our mess can
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: become a message ultimately to give you glory. I thank
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you for the healing and the strength and the grace
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: and the medical community, all the things you use to
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: help us be more like you. And we just, again,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: commit this book to you. but deliver me from crazy
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and pray it would be a bestseller Lord that others
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: would learn from it, glean from it. Thank you for
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Katie's willingness to put pen to paper, be open, honest,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and transparent about her journey and may others be blessed
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: by it. So thank you for all those that are,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I pray with us and for us, for our viewers,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: may we be your hands, your feet, your voice today
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: for someone who needs us in Jesus name.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Amen.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And you're so welcome. There it is, katyrdale.com. Shoot her
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  Speaker 2: an email, katy at bipolarbrave.com. And until our next interview
• 31:35
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