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#594 - Joy Taylor Talks Free Agency, Fox Sports Drama, Past Co-Workers, Two Personal & Upcoming Moves · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: a special guest here, returning guest Joy Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: Hey welcome thanks for having me back.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, of course we had a good time. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it's like two years ago something like that,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, welcome back. How's everything? Obviously you know you are.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you are a free agent now? Is that
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  Speaker 1: what you would say? I feel like, But I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you're kind of like doing you now, like you
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  Speaker 1: have your own platform, your own shit going, like, how's
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  Speaker 1: everything right now? With you?
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  Speaker 2: Everything is? Everything's good? Actually, I feel a little like
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  Speaker 2: when friends ask me how I'm doing. You ever go
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  Speaker 2: through something and you're coming out of it and you
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  Speaker 2: have like this anxiety about saying things are good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the stage I'm at right now, where I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, Like I am good, I'm good, I am good.
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  Speaker 2: I need to practice saying that you're and affirming that
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay and that I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: But I am good, I too. Personal has been great.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a stretch for me, like creatively and as
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  Speaker 2: a personality because it's it's such a step outside of
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  Speaker 2: sports and anyone who knows me well, vulnerability is not
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  Speaker 2: my strong suit. And when you're talking about life and
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  Speaker 2: politics and relationships and sex and love and family, and trauma,
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  Speaker 2: Like you have to be vulnerable if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: really connect with the audience. So it's been kind of
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  Speaker 2: a therapeutic practice for me also, so learn how much
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  Speaker 2: of myself in that space I'm going to share because
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  Speaker 2: in the sports space, I've always respected that when people
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  Speaker 2: are coming to me for sports, that's what they're coming
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  Speaker 2: to me for. They don't want to care, they don't
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  Speaker 2: really care how I take my giral cheese sandwiches. So
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  Speaker 2: so it's been fun. And yeah, being a free agent
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  Speaker 2: is also fun. There's a lot that's that's coming down
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  Speaker 2: the pipeline. I haven't been I have been strategic about
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  Speaker 2: not just jumping to the next thing. Yeaheah.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people they like it's almost
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  Speaker 1: like your ego wants you to like bounce back super
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  Speaker 1: quick for the public perception like yeah, like look I
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  Speaker 1: moved on, I got a new thing, think something was
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  Speaker 1: waiting for me. But I feel like you got to
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  Speaker 1: take your.
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  Speaker 2: Time like I do. And I've always been a very
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  Speaker 2: intentional person about my career and I'm not a I'm
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  Speaker 2: not an impulse decision maker when it comes to those things.
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  Speaker 2: And I also regardless of what everybody thinks I've been
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  Speaker 2: doing this a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw, like it's funny because I just saw
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  Speaker 1: like a video because I just typed your shit in
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube yesterday and I saw like a clip on
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  Speaker 1: like the reels of you from like damn, you're like
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  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. Yeah, Like like I was like, dang,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's crazy to think how long you were on TV.
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  Speaker 2: I would cringe to watch that.
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  Speaker 1: Because how long was that part of your journey?
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  Speaker 3: I mean I was from I got Fox for nine
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  Speaker 3: years for over.
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  Speaker 1: Nine years before that, you were doing radio on Miami, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I started my career in Miami. So I
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  Speaker 2: my first internship was in two thousand and seven. So
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  Speaker 2: that's how long I've been working in this business, which is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, almost eighteen years. I mean almost twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: so eighteen years. I don't know, I've been in too
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  Speaker 2: much math today, but a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's interesting too, because I feel like I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: let go from places, and like you said, like I've
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  Speaker 1: had two I had a few different experiences where I
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  Speaker 1: felt grief and I felt like sad and then how
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  Speaker 1: am I going to get through this? And then you know, recently,
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  Speaker 1: when I got like over from my heart in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: I was like relieved. I was like, oh nice, now
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  Speaker 1: I could just do me well.
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  Speaker 2: I think when you're in the when you're really in
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  Speaker 2: the business, you you at some point understand how the
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  Speaker 2: business works. Right, So you know, our business has become
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  Speaker 2: sort of this it'll space like there's the entertainers, there's
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  Speaker 2: the athletes, there's the actors, and then there's the for
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  Speaker 2: lack of a better term, journalist because you know, journalism
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  Speaker 2: is something that I hold sacred. But for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of this conversation, the journalists, the people that cover them,
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  Speaker 2: the pundits, the personalities, and then the fans and all
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  Speaker 2: of the lines have kind of become blurred. So people
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  Speaker 2: are interested in what their you know, favorite personality, what
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  Speaker 2: their careers are. I mean, like people have their own
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  Speaker 2: platforms that have become cult followings in themselves. So I
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  Speaker 2: do get the interest in it, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a it's an honor really to have a community
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  Speaker 2: of people that follow you and you know, fans of
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  Speaker 2: your work. But it is a part of the business.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's cliche, but nothing lasts forever. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very proud of the work that I put into
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  Speaker 2: the business, the amount of time that I've been able
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  Speaker 2: to be in the business, Like it's it's a privilege.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hard business to lasten And you know I'm
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  Speaker 2: still here.
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  Speaker 1: Are you still, like do you still have the interest
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  Speaker 1: to try to do the sports thing like on like
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  Speaker 1: maybe like in a major way, like on a major network.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think the network thing is interesting
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  Speaker 2: because the business has changed so much, So I don't
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to speak too soon, but
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  Speaker 2: there's things happening. Well when when we have the ability
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  Speaker 2: to talk about what's next, we will, But yes, I
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  Speaker 2: will be in the sports space on a platform. I
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  Speaker 2: could do things now in the sports space, but I
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  Speaker 2: really want the next thing I do to be something
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  Speaker 2: that I'm really passionate about, something that really cuts through
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  Speaker 2: in the marketplace, and something that I've put like my
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  Speaker 2: own blood, sweat and tears into. So yeah, in no
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  Speaker 2: way am I done in the sports space. I'm in
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  Speaker 2: the transitional part of that space. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in a world in which Skip Bayless is
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  Speaker 1: now on Gills Arena talking football like yeah, like there's
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  Speaker 1: no rules anymore.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, there are no rules, and that's you know. I
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  Speaker 2: was just having this conversation on a panel this past
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  Speaker 2: weekend about how much the business has changed, and I
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  Speaker 2: hesitate to tell people, tell everyone to start their own platform,
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  Speaker 2: because everybody is not going to have a successful podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone is not going to have a successful digital show.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone is not going to be the biggest creator on
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  Speaker 2: the planet. Like that's not how it works. However, it
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  Speaker 2: is part of the world we live in to create content.
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  Speaker 2: Whether it everything you know goes off and is viral
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  Speaker 2: or is the biggest hit, really doesn't matter. You can
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  Speaker 2: no longer wait for somebody to come and give you
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  Speaker 2: the space that you want in the business, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: whether you are working pr whether you work in social
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  Speaker 2: media right, whether you are you know, a salesperson, like
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  Speaker 2: you have to create your own energy in the business.
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  Speaker 2: The I mean, look at what's happening at these at
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  Speaker 2: these big networks, Like we're in hell this these these
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  Speaker 2: conglomerates coming together, Like what's looking It's so beyond our
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  Speaker 2: pay grade and like this shit is international fucking Illuminati shit,
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  Speaker 2: Like you can't don't worry about that, Like it is
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  Speaker 2: the people have spoken and these microphones are moving the needle,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to be comfortable in that space. It
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  Speaker 2: is the wild West. It is a different world, certainly
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  Speaker 2: different world than I grew up in, certainly different world
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  Speaker 2: than I came up in in the business. But it
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  Speaker 2: is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 2: You can't fight how the industry has changed. Think about
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  Speaker 2: how much shit has changed just from twenty nineteen Zion
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  Speaker 2: now like Zoom digital shows, the ability to interview people
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  Speaker 2: who live on the other side of the planet, to
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  Speaker 1: Like everything is like you know, just I always tell people,
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  Speaker 2: seeing that now and kids don't watch TV, right, they
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  Speaker 2: don't watch TV. They're not gonna start watching TV.
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  Speaker 1: Most people, like I would say, under thirty probably don't
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  Speaker 1: watch TV. Like I'm on YouTube, like right, like even
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  Speaker 1: my news Like I'm like, you know, if I'll just
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  Speaker 1: look at the YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Lo, our habits have changed, right, So because of that,
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  Speaker 2: where you consume things has changed also, and it's why
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  Speaker 2: every massive entity is trying to find a way to
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you so a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's like a year and a half ago. This
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit thing comes out and your name's in it, and
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  Speaker 1: obviously you don't acknowledge it. Is that like when you
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  Speaker 1: go through something like that and you just see, because
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  Speaker 1: I know you have to see, like the noise around
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  Speaker 1: your name online even some of the people who maybe
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  Speaker 1: formerly worked at the network, Like I know everyone's got
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  Speaker 1: a YouTube channel. Is that a hard thing to like
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  Speaker 1: because you're an outspoken person who I'm sure just wants
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  Speaker 1: to defend themselves and be like, motherfucker. Yes, Is that
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  Speaker 1: a hard thing to go through? And is that a
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  Speaker 1: hard thing to kind of like just kind of let
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  Speaker 1: the world come to their own conclusions because you really
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  Speaker 1: didn't come out and speak about it while you're at
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  Speaker 1: the network.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hard thing to go through.
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  Speaker 1: I can imagine. Yeah, people, because you can't you're not control,
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  Speaker 1: like you're letting the poet kind of control your narrative
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I've been in the business long enough and
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  Speaker 2: seeing people go through through things long enough to see
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  Speaker 2: every kind of mistake people make when they're in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of something right, and when you know the truth,
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  Speaker 2: it really helps you sleep at night mm hmm, regardless
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  Speaker 2: of what people are saying about you.
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  Speaker 3: And of course you know when you're when your name is.
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  Speaker 2: Being dragged and you're included in horrible conversations and people
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  Speaker 2: are saying, wow, thats shit about you. You want to
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  Speaker 2: defend yourself, but who are you gonna win with? And
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  Speaker 2: for what. And people are gonna believe what they want
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  Speaker 2: to believe at the end of the day anyway, right,
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  Speaker 2: So for me it was it was definitely very difficult
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  Speaker 2: to go through. But I had an amazing group of
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  Speaker 2: people around me, an amazing team, most of whom you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to just stay stay ground. Did and
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I I handled it the way that I did.
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  Speaker 2: I do not have any regrets about how it all
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  Speaker 2: went down from from my ends. So yeah, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: wantn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Was there anybody who because I felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I saw certain people speaking on it, like like a
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  Speaker 1: Marcella's Wiley who's got a YouTube channel. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: he's kind of turned into like a sports announcer gossip channel.
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  Speaker 1: But was there anybody whose relationship like you you like,
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  Speaker 1: were surprised by, like, you know, because I feel like
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna say what they're gonna say, did did
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  Speaker 1: you lose any friendships?
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  Speaker 2: Or for sure? For sure? For sure and the and
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a list And I'm to be clear, it's
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  Speaker 2: not it's not like cool. Just because I didn't say
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  Speaker 2: ship does.
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  Speaker 1: Not mean it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Just when everything happened. I did not look at anything.
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  Speaker 2: I did not go online. I did not read comments,
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  Speaker 2: I did not watch videos, I did not consume shows.
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  Speaker 2: I've never been somebody who looks up or consumes anything
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  Speaker 2: that throughout my career. When people hate on me, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not like, oh, let me read this arcurity with somebody said,
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  Speaker 2: I've never watched a second of any of these things. Subconsciously,
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  Speaker 2: it gets to you unless somebody from my team has
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  Speaker 2: sent it to me, like you need to see this,
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  Speaker 2: how do you want to handle this? I have not
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  Speaker 2: gone to look for it. I don't consume it. It
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  Speaker 2: does get in your head, but it also it enrages.
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  Speaker 3: You to a point where you lose yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless of what the situation is, whether you're guilty or
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  Speaker 2: not guilty, you're going to react the same because you're
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  Speaker 2: enraged by the inability to take control of the situation.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're an aspirational person at any point, you're
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  Speaker 2: probably also a control freak to some level. And that's
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  Speaker 2: all being challenged all at once, on top of it
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  Speaker 2: being a very emotional and hard thing to go through.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, there are people, for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Going to have to see me at some point and
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  Speaker 2: I don't play fair, so we'll get there. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: a I'm a slow kill. I always have been right,
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  Speaker 2: So twelve years from now when I pop out the bushes,
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  Speaker 2: don't act surprised.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But it also, you know, people are always like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like you got to forgive, Like forgiveness it's for you,
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  Speaker 2: it's not for them, Okay, Like this is not consuming
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  Speaker 2: my life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not like driven, My skin is.
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  Speaker 2: Clear, I'm hydrated, Like I'm doing fine. It's yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: not like getting me out of bed in the morning cool.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think it's important. It's so funny how
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  Speaker 2: like conversations that you have in life like come up
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  Speaker 2: again and again. Because I was just talking about this
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  Speaker 2: last night. I think it's important to let people know
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  Speaker 2: not to play with you.
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  Speaker 1: And let them know where they stand with you too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because sit is not cool And I'm actually I'm
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: actually if you want to say whatever you want to say, cool.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: But what I think is interesting is happening now across
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the board, not just with me, like with everybody, is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: like people want to say shit, and then when someone
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: says something back, they're like, god, right, what inspired this?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Like what the fucker what are you talking about? Like
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: in politics, in fucking sports and entertainment, like across the board,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: people pop off and then when someone says something mean back,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: it's like, what did you think? What kind of energy
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: were you expecting? The energy you put out is the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: energy you're going to get back? Who taught you anything different?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It's wild to me. And it's not about canceling or
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: people being sensitive. I say this all the time. We
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: need to reintroduce hand to hand combat. We need more
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: violence in the world, not less violence, just less deadly violence.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: But there needs to be a time, like there was
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: a time where you would get the shit smacked out
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: of you if you said certain things and you knew
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: that and you were either willing to take the risk
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: or you shut your fucking mouth. And people just do
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: not have that anxiety anymore. They have no anxiety about
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: getting checks on any Like.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: It's the internet. It's the Internet. It's like the safe space.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: People will say the craziest shit about you and then
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: you see them in person and it's like.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: We need less safe spaces.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Do away with this.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the way people talk online is insane.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Like I saw something insane.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I saw some Laura Lumer said today about Jasmin Crockett.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It was the most racist, crazy shit I've ever seen,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and I was like, this bitch would not say this
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: in person. This is crazy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Of course not, but actually, in some ways I think
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that they might because they know there's nothing that's going
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: to happen to that. They know that that person is
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: gonna get sued or it's gonna get immediately arrested.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: You can go it hit me because correct, And.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It's like that sucks, pussy ass shit.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: We talk about this all the time in sports because
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: you saw the other day the guy at the game
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: who hit Lamar Jackson on the head. So I'm popping
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: off about it immediately because I go from zero to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a thousand when fans get involved with athletes. This is
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: their workplace. You are here to observe the second that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you insert yourself in the game. These dickheads that run
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: that streak across the field, these people that touch the players,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: like if they if they remove your neck from your head,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I don't care. You have introduced a physical interaction with
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: a professional athlete. Whatever they want to do to you
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: is what they want to do. And they and in
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: my opinion, they should get free range. Like if you
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: jump on the field and they fucking tackle you and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you are cooked, like that was the choice you made,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you decided to enter this arena. It drives me insane.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: But people just do things and they have no consequences
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: because none of us are saying everyone should just go
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: out and kill each other. Of course not, but damn, like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: could we just square up and get this over with?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like for you, is there anybody on
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that list that if you see him, you're gonna be like, yo,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: can I talk to you outside?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So yes, there are are definitely people that I will
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: have conversations with. But the other part of it is,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you know, because there's consequences, It's like, what are the
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: consequences for me? Because fuck the consequences for you.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to jeopardize the bag. You know
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, You don't want to jeopardize your freedom.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And like you said, people.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Jail keeps me out of a lot of shit, for sure.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know how people go to jail. I will
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: tell you what, I'm not going to jail.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: In jail twice it is not great.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I have been inside several jails.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not it is not good. I mean, I've only
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: spent the night twice, but each time I was, oh
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: my god, give us. One time I used to roll
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the toilet paper as a pillow in a holding cell
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: with like fifty other guys.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know parts.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: You don't want no part of that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You guys are lucky jail exists.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I saw you. First of all, I had drafted your
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: nephew as a sleeper rookie tied end. He's on the Jets.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: How cool was that to be able to go and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: see him play his first game?
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: It was crazy, you know.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's he was in Michigan, right, No, it was LSU, that's.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Right, but LSU it was crazy, you know.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It's it's been what you're Jason retire. Oh my god,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I'm getting old.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's been a while.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: It's been a while, but it's been that long, really,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: And they both my nephews play college football. So watching
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: them play college, you know, brought that back. But now
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: we're seeing him in the NFL. At this stage, I forgot, like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: oh shit, this is different.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It was a crazy game.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: You watched with anxiety the whole time, like it is
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: not an enjoyable experience. Like it was exciting to see
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: him come out and the game started and I'm like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: oh my god, my little baby, and he's like still
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: a baby, he's twenty one years old. Crazy, But then
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like the whole time, I'm just worried, and then the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: game's over.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It's such a crazy game.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: That was a stealer Jets game. Yeah, no, they played well,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: but yeah it was. It was exciting at his first
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: catch on a good drive, but it's it's really awesome
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to see that. And I mean, Jason is crushing it
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: at University of Miami. He's a defensive line coach. They
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: have like one of the best defensive lines in the country.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And my nephew's there as well.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: As all I know about because I'm not a big
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: college guy, I just know that Pat McAfee just dived
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: off of the fucking swimming pool.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I couldn't watch it. I couldn't watch it. I am
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: not somebody who's afraid of heights, but that that swimming
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: pool shit.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I watched it, and I was so out of breath
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: watching him run and climb up those ladders. Well by
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the time he got to the top of that fucking thing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I was like, this guy's got it. I don't care
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: how its shape you are. That dude had to be dying.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: It's it's making me not just think about it. I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: could not.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I would be so fucking scared to jump off of that.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah nuts, I'm a heights guy too. I can't do it.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not even scared of heights.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: But there's so many things that could go wrong when
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: you're not a diver, Like if you make one wrong move,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: what happens if you smack your face off the water,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: which I recently did. At my friend's boucher party, we
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: had like a to be fair, I was drinking, so
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it changed the drink or something, drink probably, but we
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: had like a riverboat thing and I jumped off the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: top and like mid jump, I changed. I was I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: was going the right way, like you know you're supposed
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to just like go in, and then I changed your
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: form mid jump, straight face planted. I thought, I like
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: gave myself a heart attack. Yeah, so I can't imagine
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it feels like jumping off of that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeh, no, you already know. Man. Want to give a
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• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I saw recently. I don't know if you have a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: relationship with her, but Molly Kierram had resigned out of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: nowhere kind of yeah, are you guys friends?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. I don't, I don't know. I have
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: no insight into what happens.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I think Molly is if you and Molly did a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: pod like about sports, that might go.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Fucking People have suggested that what.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I thought, I said, oh, Joy and Milly Karen did?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love Molly.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think best of both that works coming together.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: She's great, She's she's done such a great job on
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that show and having done that job, having been a moderator,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: because I don't I mean, some of you are new here,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: but I launched Undisputed with Skip and Shannon, so I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: did that job for two years and it is not
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: an easy job, and it requires a lot of emotional intelligence,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I will say, on top of being a great like
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: broadcaster and understanding this like the nuance of the business,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: how to go to break, how to you know, properly
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: interrupt people to get to break those type of things.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: She's just so so good at that. Like I hate
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: to see her go off that show because she's just
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: she's She's invaluable to how that works. I'm really interested
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to see who, you know, they replace her with. But
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: she's she's one of the best in the business. Whatever
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: she does next, she's going to do a great job
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: at But you know, I hate to see her go
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: because she's just so good at It.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Was moderating undisputed initially. Did you ever you know, because
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: felt it kind of felt like once things kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: fell apart between Skip and Shannon, Like like, I guess
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I always watched and assume that they were friends, Like, like,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: what was the dynamic like from the beginning, because obviously
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: they're getting to know each other and you, I mean,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you're new to the situation. What was that like kind
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: of getting like everybody getting used to each other, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like you feel like it was a pretty quick thing
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: where you realize, oh, they got something here, like they
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: got some chemistry, this is gonna work, or.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that time was such a it was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: just such a different time, Like the network was at
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a completely different place, the structure the network was different.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Shannon was coming in completely new to that kind of role.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Skip is, you know, leaving ESPN. It's this huge deal.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: He's watching.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, Colin was there, but like, you know, the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: big deal of him leaving first take and leaving stephen
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: A and what what steven A going to do and
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: what Skip going to do? And the three of us
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: had never worked together. I didn't know Skip, I don't
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: know Shannon. So it just was like what we started
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: with and what it became or just two completely different
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: shows and dynamics and humans really but yeah, I mean
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: it was a it was a big undertaking, Like it
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: was a lot of practice on my part because I
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: had also never done that role. I'd only ever worked
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: as a personality.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Right, which is way different than yeah, way different way.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was they were kind of worried about it,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: like Skip particularly like he didn't know if I was
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: going to be able to be quiet, Like he's like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: are you going to be this is a hard job
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: to do, Like you're gonna want to as as someone
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: coming from you know, four hours of morning drive sports
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: stock radio, are you going to be able to do this?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Because I know what I would want to do, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you know, I was there was a decision I had
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to make, like this is a big opportunity. It's a network.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was already at the network, but but
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: you know, this is a big opportunity on the network.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: We're going to travel over the country, there's going to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: be a big budget behind.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: You know, marketing it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Like it's a big step up for me in my career,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: so I can, you know, be strategic about what I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: doing at this point in my career. But it was
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of getting to know him, getting to know Shannon,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: kind of how they interacted, what, you know, what their
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: little nuances were, like what what what jokes to make
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: when you know it's it is like a real balancing act.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: And at that time that show was really like the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: traditional debate format, Like it's not all of these shows
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: have sort of morphed into panel shows now, which I prefer.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's much more consumable. But preference or not,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that's what it was like. It was like do back
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and forth, get the break, very structured show. So it
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: was a lot of learning on my part.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: What was like the one of the cool because during
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: those two years, I'm sure you guys went everywhere that
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: was important, whether it's you know, wherever the finals are
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: or what was like the coolest trip you got to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: go on in like the coolest place you're able to broadcast,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: or even just like the funnest trip, like we were
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like yo when we went here. It was it was crazy.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Mayweather McGregor fight was kind
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: of the craziest. The most memorable I guess trip or
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: moment for me in my career was doing the Super
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Bowl in Miami in twenty ninth. Well, I guess it
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: was twenty twenty. Yeah, before everything shuts down with Colin.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: It was you know, the week Kobe died, and it
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: was just like it was just such a crazy, crazy time.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the McGregor Mayweather fight was insane. It was
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: an insane spectacle. I mean, what the what you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: they're both of their careers are and where they are now. Again,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I think like things, so much stuff happens that we
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: forget what people were at these, you know, certain points.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be a shit show
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: because I went to the the press conference at Staples.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Remember the first time was here in LA So I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: went to the first one and we did like a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: live stream from it, and I was like, I'd been
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: to press conferences before. I've been to McGregor press conference
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: before at UFC in New York when he had his
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: first fight there, it was like it was indescribable madness,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Like there was did you go to it?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: No, I did not know. I wasn't living here. Well
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I was living here at that time. That didn't go now,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I was fucking chaos. And then they had there's just
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: like you know, the fireworks and the place is packed
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: with people. I mean, it's an opportunity for people, but
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I think it was like one dollar to get in,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: so like, this is an opportunity for people to see
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: McGregor and Mayweather. Sure you know they're the people that
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: won't be able to go through the fight. It's such
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a spectacle. The media is everywhere. The two of them
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: are on stage with microphones like exchanging insults, right, and
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they have to do this in six more cities.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: This is this is like this is going to devolve
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: into complete madness. So which it did, and then we
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: get to the fight. Like the McGregor fans are everywhere.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Vegas for a fight weekend is always crazy, but I
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: a bunch of drunk irishmen everywhere.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And the city was like shut down.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: It was so busy. And fight weekends are always crazy
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in Vegas, but that was like that was a spectacle
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: and we didn't know what it was going to be
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: because that was I don't want to say that was like.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: The start of going on right now.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the start of these these
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: exhibition fights. And I mean everyone had an opinion about it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Everyone was there, like everyone might even the people who
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: hated it were like I have to see, like I
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: have to see what happens. So that was a that
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: was something like so unique that I don't even know
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: if we'll ever get again, because you like McGregor and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Mayweather are such unique personalities and at the peak of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: their careers when it happened, like we probably won't get
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: something like that again.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that was, like you said, I think it
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: kicked off for better for worse where we.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Are entertainment boxing world.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I guess, you know, you could
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: look at it like more people are watching boxing.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Well it's not boxing, but yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm sure more people people probably watched.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Netflix is such an accessible platform too,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like the fact that so many people watched
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Canelo and Tank or not tank A Canelo and but
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if they would have
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: had that many eyes on that fight had it been
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: just a pay per view fight.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think God, I don't want
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: to give the entertainment boxing credit for that, but maybe
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you're right. I just that was for any kind of
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: like boxing purist, which I don't. I'm not a boxing purist,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: but I do love boxing. That was a great fight,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and you need great fighters who have the like pedigree
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: and the history to be able to market a fight
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: like that. The entertainment boxing I get because it's entertainment,
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  Speaker 2: and any kind of entertainment, like anything that people like watching,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's for me or not, I understand. And if
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: there there's people who have huge audiences, they're gonna take
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: advantage of that. But yeah, it's it's Netflix did a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: great job with that fight.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: We were talking about your time on Undisputed. Do you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: hear from like when when when what goes down and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you end up leaving the network? Do you hear from
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: like Colin and uh, you know, Skip or any of
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: these guys are Shannon, do you like do they reach
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: out just to like, you.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, Colin and I are. Colin and I are
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: great friends. So I'm friends with a lot of people
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that I used to work with, not everyone obviously, but
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you know, Colin is Colin is just the best. Colin
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: is the you know, he's.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Really built a volume into like a juggernaut man. Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: pretty crazy.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin's man. He's like one of the most professional,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: just great, consistent people that I've ever worked with in
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the in the business. Like he just he hears about
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: doing a good show and his family like that's it was.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: He pretty like was it easy to kind of integrate
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: yourself into that role on his show?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: It was because I was the fill in person for
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: that show.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: So ye, so doing Undisputed, whenever his co host was out,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I would fill in with him. So we had already
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: done a considerable amount of shows together, both on radio
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: only AND's in.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Studio, so it was pretty easy.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Plus I had done radio for many years, so the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: radio format was easy for me. And Colin is just
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like he's just very easy to work with. He is
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a huge prepper. He does two hours of prep before
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: every show.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a beast.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't do it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Like I cannot talk through the entire show and then
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: do the show again. The first version is going to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: be the better version. And he is almost like an
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: actor in that he can like do the line with
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: the same energy every single time. But he just really
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: wants a well planned out show, so there was never
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: really a lot of guessing, Like I never felt unprepared
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: for what I needed to do because he doesn't like
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: like him and I would do like some personality stuff
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: like oh, like would you do this weekend, but it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: would be for like thirty.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Seconds, right.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want, you know, five minutes of air where
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: we're you know, discussing our favorite sandwiches or something or
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you know, our hot dogs a sandwich. He doesn't want
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that because he doesn't think that that's what people are
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: coming to him for, and he wants the audience to
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: get what they are coming to him for, which is
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: sports talk in an entertaining way. So it was it
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: was very It was a hard challenge to do the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: show because the show is three hours and it is
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a big platform, but working with him is very easy
• 35:28
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  Speaker 1: this outrage. You know, people ain't going going to you
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  Speaker 1: for that. You've been pretty outspoken in terms of like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: just what's going on in the world, which I think
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even I wouldn't call it outspoken. I call
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  Speaker 1: it being a human. But for you, like because I
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: feel like you were you were, you would speak up
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: about certain shit, like even like a kind of like
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  Speaker 1: even on the air, but like in like a real
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  Speaker 1: like you know, like a like a like a wink
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  Speaker 1: kind of way for you, Like how dope is it
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  Speaker 1: now where you're able to do you have your own
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  Speaker 1: platform and you're just unapologetically yourself. You could talk about policy,
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  Speaker 1: can talk about all this shit like it's got to
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  Speaker 1: be dope.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've I mean, I've always been someone
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: who knows what's going on in the world, and I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: have a I'm not a practicing journalist, right, but I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: have a you know, the proper traditional training as a journalist.
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  Speaker 2: I still think it's important to know the story before
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: talking about it, so you know, caring about what's going
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: on in the world, or having an opinion about politics
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: or social issues or whatever everyone's talking about has always been,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know, part of who I am. But to your point,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: not having a platform, and I don't like to force
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: things into platforms that they don't belong, it's been it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: been great for me to be able to have too
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: personal to talk about these things. I mean, I think
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: some people are getting to know me a little bit better.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: The people that have always known me or have followed
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: me for a really long time are not surprised. But yeah,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like a little more outside now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And yeah, when you told you were telling the story
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: about like I think it was like an ex boyfriend
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of yours that you were like taken care of.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, like they've all been there.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: That's relatable. I feel like that was like super relatable.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of shit where like you're gonna have
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: new fans and be like, oh, yeah, she's telling like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: this a girl from the sports show.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, So I mean that that's the opportunity
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: to tell to tell those stories.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: And look, I'm thirty eight years old, I've I've lived
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: some life.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But I think like you said, I think it's like
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: people have become invested in like these personalities even though
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: they know them from Like I mean, Shannon Sharps are
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: perfect because people are so invested in what was going
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: on with his personal life. Yeah, even prior to the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: lawsuit when he had to check on the FaceTime you
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, which was insane, But I
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there are there's Twitter pages that
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: are literally just about like what's going on with like
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: sports announcers lives.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's we've become like, I don't know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: it's like this cottage. We're almost like WWE characters or something. Yes,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: we're not just And that's why I really harp on
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: like I'm not a journalist, because I think journalists are
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: like doctors or teachers or lawyers in that they have
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: a certain obligation to society to be as unbiased as
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: humanly possible and like tell the story. And in today's
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: world that is even more necessary than probably ever because
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the story. We are in a post truth society. Sure,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: So I came up in the business with the intention
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: of being a personality. I always wanted to be a
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: person someone who reacts to the story, not tells the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: story makes sense.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: But what's happening now is we are also the story.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is I guess an unavoidable developments of being
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a personality.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's just a new world.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Do you get to the point where you become friends
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: with any of these athletes and you're very like you
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: kind of hold back a little if they have like
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a bad game or anything like that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Everybody does. Anybody who says they're not doing that is
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a lying, liars, lying, lying, not faking it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Just this the hard L word.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Like there's guys who, like you were like, yeah, that's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the helmie. I gotta care. I'm gonna take it a
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: little easier.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: But I will never I also don't go hard in
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a disrespectful way on people either, right, Like I don't.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Never done that where you're like shitting I mean, I mean,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like you know, like I mean.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: If somebody's if somebody is. I'm not gonna say I've
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: never gone hard on anybody, but for me, I will.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I always want to be able to face anybody that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I speak.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: About, so like you're gonna run into them eventually, you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: don't want them to look at you like, yo, you
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: weren't fair right, right?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Like, if I run into our crackhead secretary of Health,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell him he's an unqualified crackhead, right who
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: should not be running the Department of Health.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Hey, Tyland, old man.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Fucking insane. I'm sorry.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: You cannot be a retired crackhead and run this Department
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of Health. It's not I don't care what the fuck
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: it is. He's unqualified, and I would happily tell him
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: whose face is unqualified. There's plenty of things I'm unqualified for,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: by the way, jobs I would not take because I'm
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: not qualified for them. But you will not catch me
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: in a job i'm unqualified for. So yeah, if I
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: say something about someone, I want to be able to
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: say it to their face. It's just a you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't describe myself as the you know, perfectly principled person,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: but I I want to always be able to stand
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: on that. So if I'm like not crushing someone the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: way that maybe I would if I didn't know them.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Right In uncontrast, if I don't know someone, I'm not
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: gonna be unfair to them either.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: What would who who's like a friend of yours that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you just like.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: You, I cannot reveal my sources. Okay, obviously I'm never
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: gonna crush my nephew right like, and I'm telling you now,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be nice to the Jets because my nephew
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: plays for them.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Like makes see that makes sense, and like be mad
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: at me.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think. I don't care. Like
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I'm always going to be much more pleasant to the Jets.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: See that makes sense.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Then I have been in the years past because my
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: nephew plays for them, and that's it. And if you know,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: like I can kiss my ass, that's obviously.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Would it be hard for you to like sit in
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and hear like like like the opposite of what you're
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: saying essentially, like somebody like Skip just being so harsh
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: on like Lebron James if it was my family, No,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I'm saying for you like when you were when you
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: were doing Undisputed? Would it like it is like it
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: felt like a lot of times.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, There's been plenty of times where I where
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: my co hosts have said things I've adamantly disagreed with
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, you know, I think people think
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: that you just have this endless track like where we're
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: doing a show like this where I can be like whoa,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: like we don't have a time limit. Let's get into Yeah,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't just like insert myself in every
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: single thing, even if it's you know, a format like
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: speak where it is all of our shows. Yeah, Like
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't necessarily always work like that. But yeah,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: there's been plenty of times, and there's been times where
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I've my coast have said something I've disagreed
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: with and I have confronted them immediately about it. But yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: there's there's times where it's it's frustrating, it's it's also
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: like to me, like I said, I just come at
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: the I come to it from a different perspective. And
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: maybe it's because of my brother, right, but I don't.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be the story. I don't want
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: it to be. Oh, you know, Joy Taylor has this
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: beef with this athlete, Like I'm a nerd. I talk
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: about what other people do for a living, right, which
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: is that perspective is never gonna leave me. I am
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: not saving souls, I am not saving lives. I'm not
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: bringing anybody to heaven. And I'm not sending anybody to help,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So what are we doing? Like, we're not digging ditches here,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: We're talking about sports. It's really not that serious. Like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: we have to touch grass sometimes, and I think sometimes
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: when the camera's on, people start to you know, the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: ego j just to start flowing, start feeling a little saucy,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and you know, you forget that we're talking about the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: one percent of the one percent of humans in the world.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I was watching the Lions Ravens game, like, these motherfuckers
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: are so good at football, like dose catches. I'm like,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: that's unbelievable. Like there's just sometimes when they'll do shit,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's fucking unbelievable. And there was a good Yeah,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: they're gonna cook the Ravens and they're like, they're unbelievable.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: These athletes, the ship that they're able to play fantasy football. Yeah, hey,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I fucking hate Like I just wonder I love fantasy football.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I also hate it. It pisses me like.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: More than one league.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I have three leagues.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're fucking committed, you're in it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I really try to only do two, but I got
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: sucked into another one this year, which I'm doing very
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: terrible in but yeah, yeah, I mean fantasy football is
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the It ruins my life every single year, I yo,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: every So it's such a fucking mood crusher.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: We're part of one like super serious league where everyone
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and it's just psychopaths, and usually I can only do
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that league because it's so much.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one very serious league, and I have
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: one that I've been in for like thirteen years.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I'm the commissioner, and like we'll have like like we
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: found out we let our homies wife in one year
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and we found out they were colluding on the side
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: with trades. He like admitted to me, like, oh, I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: just parked a player on her bench. I would I
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: called a zoom press conference with all of the members
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: of the league, had pretty much put his ass on
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: trial and kicked aim out on Zoom.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Why would why would he ever admit to that?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Yo? I was talking about the money league.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, But I called him and I said, Yo, what's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: up with this? You just traded those two players last
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: week to your wife and she's trading them back to you.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: So?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I just wanted to park on our bench,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I said, oh buddy, I'm the commissioner. You kid, you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: just admitted the collusion.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: You're gone.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I hit the group chat. I said, today's zoom noon.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Anybody who could make it? We have to vote on brand.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Are that's completely very out of go. That's crazy. Our
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: group chat is absolutely insane. I actually have a trade
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: that I'm looking at right now. Let me tell you,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: let me see what you think about.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: And it's a two quarterback league we're in.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: So it's yeah, you guys are nuts. I don't want
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: ever want to participate in that. I need I need
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: running backs. Hey, all this up to it takes a lead,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: forget it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the running backs are they're scarce.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Rang Now, I usually draft running backs first, because.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Would you take like Jamar Chaser somebody.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I had the number one pick in I don't
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I think I had to take like, well, this league,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: this league, the expensive league. I picked like eighth, just
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the fucking worst.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: What Yeah, this year I was all about being late.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: But yeah I got Puka, who's doing well. Yeah, good pick.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeahcase, I mean I got Jamar Chase. So I don't
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: know what the fuck Browning is gonna do besides throwing interceptions.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: But you know the Bengals are that offensive line is atrocious.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: They should not have paid t Higgins. They should have
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: paid offensive lineman.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: But it's neither hear you gotta start in the trenches.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. Your brother one of the best,
• 47:44
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• 48:48
  Speaker 3: And oh U speakeasy?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Do they like try to get you to come
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: with them to start that?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: No, I was not included in the speakeasy operation.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I just all I was like, oh, this is interesting.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: But I'm glad for them, you know, they they wanted to.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't. I don't. I haven't talked to you to.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Either one of them about it yet, but but yeah,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: That's I heard.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it is like I still have because
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I've been doing this for so long and because I
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: haven't started my next thing yet, I have this like
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: anxiety every day I wake up with like, oh my god,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: where do I put Where do I put my sports takes?
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I have thoughts and I don't have anywhere to put them,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: so I'm still like practicing.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: You gotta put them in your fantasy football group chat.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a good spot for it. They're gonna
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: get really tired of me pretty soon. But but yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: so it's you know, they're everyone els to start their
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: own thing, like that's what we've been talking about.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what happened with Jimmy Kimmel
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: because obviously they say he's supposed to be back on tonight,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: but I don't know what's going on with Yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like to speak thoroughly on things
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: that I have not like head.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: First get a divage.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: But it seems as if this is all way above
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: our our pay grade. It is not as simple as
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: them reacting to what.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: He said about Charlie Kirk. This hays to do with.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Some FCC merger stuff. And it's not like a conspiracy thing,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: like it's one hundred percent because was talking that ship. Yeah.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I am not a conspiracy theory person. I think birds
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: are spies for the government, but other than that, I
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I don't have time for them.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: This is not a conspiracy theory like, that is what
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: all of this ship is about, and it's being packaged
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: as a slap, you know, a slap on the wrists
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: for saying something about a podcaster. That's not They.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Don't care about Charlie Kirk.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: They do not.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: That's not what this is.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: So I don't want to speak like I don't want
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: to speak with too much attention and elaborate on it
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: too much because I don't I cannot properly explain it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: But that is what's happening.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Let's have a fantasy draft where you get to draft
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: a panel TV show. You're the executive producer. It could
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: be former athletes, it could be pundits, it could be
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: who are you give me a four person four person show?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: If you if it were if it were up to you, Salaries,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: contractual issues, none of that is in doing.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: None of that matters. Okay, we have an unlimited budget, yes, okay,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: so hmmm uh. And I'm not involved.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: You could be you could you could be the you
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: could be on the show, you could be a moderator,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you could be the executive.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's easier if I'm not involved.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're not involved.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just the executive producer.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Or maybe we could just do like Mount Rushmore.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Of Well, look that'd be that'd be a I mean, yeah,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I mean obviously we I mean.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: So I gotta put I gotta put skip.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Colin and steven a. But if I'm like actually producing
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: this show.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Produce the show, yeah, goes three together.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I'm changing a question about Yeah, like that's not that's
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: not a good show that the three of them together.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: And break the TV.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just the thing. It doesn't work, Like they
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: don't do the same things like Colin did, did that show,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: did panel shows before, but like that is Colin is
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: the best at like talking into a camera and like
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: looking into your soul and talking. I don't know, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: have to give this some thought. This is a I
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: don't want to speak out of turn.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Is there an athlete that you feel like isn't on
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: TV or hasn't given it a run that you're like, well, I.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Think I think when Micah is done with playing Micah
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: is going to be is going to be a great personality.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: And he's he's smart to have started that now because
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: he's already a big personality. All the shit that happened
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: with the Cowboys, like he's going to have an incredible career,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and he is a he is a personality, so like
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: he's on sort of that like Gronk trajectory for sure,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: where he's going to be a personality after sports, and
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Gronk has done an amazing job. So I think Micah
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: for sure. Draymond obviously is you know, he's been in
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that space, but he's when he's done playing, like that's
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: going to be a very easy transition to that doing
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: that full time and he'll do a great job with that.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of somebody who like doesn't necessarily
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: have already like stepped into.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: It, that just got personality.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I think Page is going to be amazing when Page
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: is a great Personality's very funny Angel obviously, but Angel
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: has her show. Somebody who doesn't, uh you know what
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I think aman Ra Saint Brown.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I saw I saw him get caught on the hot
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: mic class.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I think he has he does
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have a show? Does he?
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: If he does, I'm not aware of.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think he and he's very smart. I
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: think he'll do a great job if he wants to
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: get into the media space. Also, I'm probably forgetting a
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: bunch of guys. But but yeah, there's what I love
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: now about like the space that all athletes and like
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: entertainment figures have is that they can create their own
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: stuff while they're still doing for sure their career and
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: like allow people into their personalities. I've always been an
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: advocate of players and just people, young people diversifying their
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: you know, business portfolios and being able to be active
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: in different spaces, like that old school mentality of you know,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: you can't do anything else other than this, like if
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: you're not locked in one hundred percent, like that's not
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: that's stupid obviously, And I think, you know, Magic Johnson
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: sort of started that and Lebron does.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: He had the late night talk show.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like Magic is just like he's the the
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: pinnacle of an of athlete turned of successneur, Yeah, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: just paved the way or that, and like Lebron has
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: taken it to a whole other level. And you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Lebron I think actually has done such an amazing job
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: with it because nobody can question his commitment level. He
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: takes impeccable care of his body and for him to
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: be able to have all of these business ventures and
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: shows and movies and everything that he does and still
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: be able to play at the level he's playing. It's
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: like that's really shut everybody up, and now it's spilled
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: over to college because nil so, I mean, I think
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: it's great, Like I'm here for it. I think the
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: more ways that people can make money, the more ways
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: that people can express themselves, the more ways people can
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: have their own voice, right, is better for everyone. I
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: know A lot of like the traditional people in the
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: business don't like it because you know, it may take
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: away some jobs, but like you got to get creative and.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: The change.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I hear like some journalists and on the
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: hip hop side will talk shit about like you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Fagio and Jadakus or whoever because they feel like they're
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: not journalists. I've worked all, you know, and I'm like, yeah,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that's like you should be more entertaining. The world has changed,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, rather
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: watch and Jadakiss talk about fad Joe's diet pepsi addiction
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: while Jada Kiss laughs uncontrollably on the couch. Then you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: hear about the fifty eight producers on one song.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, why can't there be both? I just don't know.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just not a born hater. Like it's just not
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: in my blood, it's not in my DNA. So I
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: don't default to somebody else's doing something and they're taking
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: away from me. That is just not how my brain works.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: If someone else has some success, I don't know what
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: that has to do with me. It's nothing to do
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: with me. I'm happy for them, love that.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: What the fuck does that have to do with me?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Nothing?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: So why can't there be journalists who do the journalist
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: thing for people who want to consume that? And why
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: can't we also have that show there's no correlation to
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you being minimized when someone else steps into the space.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I also I had a diet coke addiction.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Oh I love diet coke. God.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: So I I had like three a day for a while.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: And I just went to lunch and I took I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: took two down.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Well I don't now now I really.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: The diet coke.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I just stopped.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I just called so good. I don't want regular.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Can like the can can. Yeah, well so now if
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I really want soda, it's it's like those little mini
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: regular coke cans.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: So like a mini not a diet coke.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: No, now I do like the regular coke, but this
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: was years ago. Like I don't really drink soda. I
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: will crush the bubble waters though, Like I'll take down
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: like four of those a day.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I love so good. I want all that cancer.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I stop drinking it. Because I was like,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I read an article. It was like it turns into
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: froml to hide in your brain. I was like, that
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound good, and I'm definitely I'm definitely drinking way
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: too many of these.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So let's let's talk. I saw this fat fuck whitlock
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: called you the peanut butter Tupac.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Did you see this, oh, king of the worm boys, this.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Slob of a human being, the king of the BB dubs.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Sir snacks a lot, Sir snacks.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, fucking cholesterol, fucking
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Gotti right there. Uh but yeah, uh he's.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Such a pig.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Peanut butter Tupac, that's what he called you.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: It's actually not bad, not terrible. It's not it's not bad.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: You could I mean, honestly, not a bad Tupac's great, obviously.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if he can come up with anything
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: that doesn't involve food, I challenge him.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually was my bachelor party weekend. I was in
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Vegas and this was around the time of him shitting
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: on Kaepernick and when he like started to go like
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know whatever the fuck maggot out or whatever,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and he was playing craps and I'm fucked up. Listen,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I'm walking past the craps table me and my boys,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and I fucking I stopped and I is that that
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: fat motherfucker JESSEU Wilock And he turns around and I
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: just get on my knee, like we stay with Colin Kaepernick,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: you fat fuck And he turned around and he tried
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: to Like I felt bad because he actually tried to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: talk to me and like introduced himself to me, and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck you.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I felt bad.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: No, No, I felt bad because like he turned around
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and was like, hey, man, you want it's good to
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: meet you. You want to talk? Well, what's your issue
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: with me? And I was like, yo, fuck you, and
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I would just it was so funny.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: That's all he deserves something.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: All my boys were yeah, yeah, we always have that story.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: And my Homey's got it on tape. Actually he's got
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: on like of me, like yelling at Jason Whitlock. I
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: think it was at the MGM.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Grand I did not see him say this because I
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: have never consumed any of his content. I know people
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: don't believe that because I obviously have heard this because
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: his legion of inceels he has like fans. I guess
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: he does, because they're in my comments. All these non
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: pussy getting losers, yeah, are instead of out talking to
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: human beings, are in the comments talking about snack related insults.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: So I haven't seen it, but I've heard obviously of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: peanut Butter Tupac, and I think it's actually it might
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: be his best work ever, considering that his career wise.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Career wise, Yeah, he's like if.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Uncle Ruckus and Jaba the Hut had an illegitimate child.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: That's fucking heat right there.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: You only ate like cheese puffs and asparagus every day.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I gotta play you something. I have an Uncle Ruckus
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: radio drop. My friend his sister wrote on that.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: What what that show would do if it was on? Now?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Heat right?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Heat, bring that back?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: It's so first of all, it's it would I don't
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: even know what they would do because it is so crazy,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: but is.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: This my uncle damn America that he had Uncle Ruckush
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: no relation And even though he dresses and sound like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: a dokey, you are listening to the greatest white man.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Oh lord, a smell like financial polish and Lemon's ass.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: God bless his white skin. It'sleg caw.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Yo. When I got that ship, I was like, our kid,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: never play it on the radio though, because it's like,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: you know, you got.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: To kind of understand the cor Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: So it's like if you're just like some mom in
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the car with their kids, they're like, what the fuck
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: is going.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: On his skinnest nuts.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: We got to bring back the Boondocks.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: God, we need that show. We need it.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I just was watching with my son, who's eleven, so
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: probably not the most appropriate watch, but we always tell
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: him it looks like, right, he looks like Riley, So
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: we're always telling him like, I'm like, you look like
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: this kid on this boon dock. So I threw on
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: an episode while eating dinner, and it was the Usher
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: episode where the Usher takes Tom's wife, you know what
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then and then a pit named slick
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Back has to like talk him into slapping his girl
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, now, slap the bitch, Tom.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: That show's insane.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: He said, I know where oh my bitch is at? Tom?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: What is it? What does he say?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is Ronald Reagan is the Devil?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, such a good show, all right, So obviously two
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: personal comes out. Is it Thursdays?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Thursdays to personal too? Personal show on social media,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: subscribe on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: And you have you've already started to work out the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: next thing.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'll have an announcement soon. But I'm not,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: uh not out of the sports space. I'm just taking
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: my time and honestly, guys, I you know.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Take some time to yourself.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I've been doing this a long time.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's nice to kind of like watch games
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: and not like immediately start working on for the next day.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: And it's been nice to be able to travel a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: little bit, like spend real time with my family. My
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: whole family's on the East Coast, so it's been cool
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: to like chill with my mom, right, you know, shit
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: like that, just shit, I haven't been able to do.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: It's a full time, five day a week.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Five days a week for nine years.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I mean before that, you're doing more.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: And yeah, before that, I was doing five days a week,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: so and not like the digital five days a week
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: like in person in study.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think people understand when you do a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: radio show at a radio station, you're in that motherfucker.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Like it ain't like you could just pre record it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: and like, but I mean, I mean I do that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: every day now, but.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Well, but that's a different that's a different thing. Yeah,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: like when you're doing a live show and you're in studio,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: you're in fucking studio.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: But especially like sports talk.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a blessing, it was. It was an incredible chapter
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: in my career. Most of my thirties I spent in
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: that building. So it's just you know, it's just a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: transitional time for me, and I'm I'm grateful for it. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm learning a lot of things about myself, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things in business. I've been able to like
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  Speaker 2: take a deep breath, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were you at the the eyl the
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  Speaker 1: Investvest Yeah that looks super dope.
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  Speaker 2: They do such a great job with that. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I love about Investvest I feel very passionate about this,
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  Speaker 2: and I've talked about this a lot on shows, especially
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  Speaker 2: when I came to Nil, which was the panel that
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  Speaker 2: I did at invest Fest this year. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you grew up, but like I,
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  Speaker 2: despite whatever human things, did not grow up with money,
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  Speaker 2: and I have no financial education. And if you didn't
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  Speaker 2: grow up with money, or you didn't grow up with
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  Speaker 2: financial education, even if you grew up in a steady home,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't understand money, if you don't understand credit,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't understand real estate, if you don't understand
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  Speaker 2: investments the stock market, you have to teach yourself all
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  Speaker 2: that and like where do you go to get that information?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's taken me a long time to learn all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff. I'm still learning. So what I love about
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  Speaker 2: investments and really what really what the EYL guys Rashaan
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  Speaker 2: and Troy do is like make financial literacy accessible and digestible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you said, digestible.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so investments is just like a space. The
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  Speaker 2: energy there is like everyone's there because they want to
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  Speaker 2: learn something and just like better their lives. Right, Everyone's
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  Speaker 2: not trying to be a billionaire like some people are
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  Speaker 2: just trying to figure out how do I like properly
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  Speaker 2: get investors to scale my business, how do I, I
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  Speaker 2: you know, get use AI it's and make my business
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  Speaker 2: run more efficiently, like just information. So it's cool because
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's so much shit going on. Everyone's so
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  Speaker 2: fucking mean yes and name calling, bullshit, fat fuck loser
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  Speaker 2: in cells. Everything is just wow all the time. You
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: can't take tile and all women need to get back
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  Speaker 2: in the fucking kitchen, every immigrant leave. Everything is just
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  Speaker 2: like this constant bombardment of like shit. Ah.
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  Speaker 3: So it's cool to just have a space.
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  Speaker 1: Where I'm just like unu from the craziness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like let's just let's talk about how to
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  Speaker 2: make our lives better and like leave something for our
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  Speaker 2: kids and create some generational wealth and be able to
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  Speaker 2: keep our home and buy a new car like that.
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  Speaker 2: I think is is like nice and I'm really just
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  Speaker 2: proud of like what they built. It's a cool weekend now.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's super dope. Well, listen, you are got
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  Speaker 1: an announcement coming hopefully sooner than later. Yeah, as we wait,
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  Speaker 1: as it as it builds up the anticipation to where
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  Speaker 1: Joey Taylor is going to be next.
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  Speaker 3: You will like it. You will like the announcement.
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  Speaker 1: Nice hm hm Would you be working with anybody used
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  Speaker 1: to work with?
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  Speaker 2: Uh? Maybe maybe, I don't want to give too much away.
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  Speaker 1: Feels like a Gil's Arena played to me.
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  Speaker 2: I love you.
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  Speaker 1: Could be I don't know, but listen, appreciate you coming
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  Speaker 1: through Joy. Uh go watch her podcast every Thursday, yes, noon.
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  Speaker 3: Noon on Thursday noon noon Eastern on Thursdays.
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  Speaker 2: You gonna pull up to the podcast please?
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  Speaker 1: Where you're filming out here obviously?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in Let's go there. It is Joy Fire
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  Speaker 2: H