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The Sister Project: Reclaim Your Power with a Cozy Reset · The Bold Lounge

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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the Bold Lounge Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: My name is Lee Burgess and I will be your host.
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SPEAKER_02: If you're anything like me, you love hearing inspiring stories of people who have gone on bold journeys and made a positive impact in the world.
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SPEAKER_02: This podcast is all about those kinds of stories.
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SPEAKER_02: Every week we'll hear from people who are technically reported on an extraordinary event.
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SPEAKER_02: In addition to hearing those stories, we'll also learn about their bold quote mindset that they used to make things happen.
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SPEAKER_02: Whether they face the company or doubt along the way, they persisted, and ultimately are bold.
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SPEAKER_02: These impactful stories will make you feel motivated and inspired to pursue your own bold journey.
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SPEAKER_02: I believe everyone has a bold story waiting to be created.
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SPEAKER_02: Tune in and get ready to be inspired.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the bold lounge.
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SPEAKER_02: Today I am so excited and I'm actually pretty cozy myself today in my hoodie to have this podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: And we are going to be talking to Lauren Masterella and Michelle Anderson.
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SPEAKER_02: They are the founders of the Sister Project blog and excited to talk to fellow podcast host, host of the Cozy Conversations with Sister Project Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_01: Got it.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Lee.
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SPEAKER_01: So much for having us.
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SPEAKER_01: We're thrilled to be here.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're so excited that you're cozy.
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SPEAKER_01: You look cozy.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_02: And you're all cozy too.
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SPEAKER_02: So that's pretty awesome.
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SPEAKER_01: Always.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a mindset.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not even about the clothes, it's a total mindset.
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SPEAKER_02: Hi, cozy.
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SPEAKER_02: Let's start trending back.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: So I would love for you to do just intros of yourself because I think some people may not have heard of your podcast or heard of your blog.
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SPEAKER_02: So just kind of do the intro to who you are, a little bit about the sister project.
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unknown: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Go take it away, Michelle.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: My name is Michelle, and I am one half of the Sister Project.
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SPEAKER_00: Lauren and I are actually really real life sisters.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: People always ask us that all the time.
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SPEAKER_03: I resist it.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: We're real life sisters.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And in 2014, we created the Sister Project blog, which is our space where we curate all things cozy, mindful, well-being.
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SPEAKER_00: And then in 2020, some shifts in life, some career shifts.
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SPEAKER_00: We kept moving in this direction.
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SPEAKER_00: And Lauren and I created our cozy podcast, Cozy Conversations with the Sister Project, where we like to inspire people to really embrace the art of cozy living, but so much more than that.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, leaning into the seasons, slowing down, taking pause.
2:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, like we all work really, really hard, but we also really, really believe that it's important to rein it in and slow it down and simplify life.
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SPEAKER_00: Lauren, what else?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the P, that's the PG portion of our podcast.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: I produce the podcast.
2:54
SPEAKER_01: So I all we always end it with, Michelle, Lauren, what do you guys do?
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SPEAKER_01: What are we doing to like fulfill that bucket of cozy, mindful, well, well-being?
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SPEAKER_01: So you got to get to the end to hear that part.
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SPEAKER_01: But a lot, a big portion of our podcast is also talking about really real life experiences.
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SPEAKER_01: We cover a host of topics when we're talking about infertility, parenting.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a new mom, lost grief.
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SPEAKER_01: We lost our mom to dementia.
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SPEAKER_01: But we also go right into pop culture and things that are going on.
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SPEAKER_01: I love finding what I call hot topics.
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SPEAKER_01: So I dive through a lot of what's going on, what's trending, and I bring it to our listeners because listen, it's one of those podcasts where you can just press play and fold 50 loads of laundry and feel good, have a good laugh.
3:37
SPEAKER_01: You might cry a little bit, but then at the end of the day, you're done with our podcast and you feel hopefully a little bit better about everything going on in life.
3:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's the purpose, right?
3:45
SPEAKER_02: I think you know, I didn't set out to do a podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Did you all set out to do that?
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SPEAKER_02: Like how did that fall into, and I we'll get to the definition of bolder in a second, but just since we're talking about the podcast, like how did that start off?
3:57
SPEAKER_00: I think that the podcast was sort of an evolution of Lauren and his and I as content creators and working partners.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: We always had this really dynamic sisterly banter with these really deep conversations that we thought, you know, that was missing from our platform.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: And we were ready to pivot.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: And that's what you do in these entrepreneur spaces, you know, you kind of shift gears and go where the wind blows.
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SPEAKER_00: And we were really feeling bringing our conversations to light for other folks because we wanted to provide, you know, obviously a little nugget of some wisdom or something, but also the point is to sit back, relax, and have a good time.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And also part of that decision in making a podcast based on our conversations was the pandemic.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we a lot of people during the pandemic started, I don't know, like with my best friend, I started FaceTiming her every single day.
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SPEAKER_01: So we found that our conversation was really kind of soothing and comforting, especially in these very uncertain, weird times.
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SPEAKER_01: And and like sisters, do we were sharing so much?
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SPEAKER_01: What are you making tonight?
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SPEAKER_01: What recipe are you using?
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SPEAKER_01: What are you watching?
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SPEAKER_01: And that all became, we're like, why are we just sharing this with one another?
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SPEAKER_01: We should be sharing it with everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: And also not only that, then the hard stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like I was going through IVF during a portion of the of the pandemic.
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SPEAKER_01: So I really leaned on Michelle, who also suffered from infertility.
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SPEAKER_01: So there was a lot of that sisterhood banter that was helping us.
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SPEAKER_01: And we were like, I bet if we shared some of this with other people, it might help them too.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Some of my best times, like in my family.
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SPEAKER_02: So I have two little sisters and an older brother.
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SPEAKER_02: And my daughter is almost like a sister to my little sister.
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SPEAKER_02: Some of the best times I've had are literally kind of the banter around the table at my parents' house, like, oh yeah, and it's kind of the going, the back, and what's happening.
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SPEAKER_02: And we're kind of all over the US right now, but I can definitely relate to that.
5:45
SPEAKER_02: It kind of you're bringing that into someone's home and having that conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: So I love that.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's fun.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's not much like a conversation with your sister.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, your sister, you can really like strip it down and let it all hang out.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm the oldest, so like I definitely can feel it.
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SPEAKER_02: And my mom doesn't, you know, she doesn't uh mind joining in there too.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna get into it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone's involved.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, my dad just sits there and smiles, so that's nice.
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SPEAKER_02: He's kind of watching it all take place.
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SPEAKER_01: Our dad just actually he smiles and kind of shakes his head sometimes.
6:21
SPEAKER_02: He's like, Oh wow, this is really what you guys are talking about.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: I'll just keep drinking my beer and uh basically tequila for ours.
6:28
SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, a lot of the things you've done, and I know we're gonna dig into some of those things, but like, what is your definition of bold?
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SPEAKER_02: What does that look like for each of you?
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SPEAKER_00: I'll go first.
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SPEAKER_00: I my definition of living, being bold, living bold is living in my wisdom, you know, feeling confident in what I'm doing when I wake up in the morning and I feel like I'm fulfilled and I have a purpose, and there's also a balance in life where I'm able to create work and content and do things for people and it enriches their lives, but also my life is feeling equally is enriched.
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SPEAKER_00: I can tell you that there were years prior to this where I was feeling the exact opposite of being bold, and so yeah, just being able to wake up every day and feel fulfilled is just about as bold as I can be.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: I I recently read something actually about bold and courage, and it was kind of what Michelle was saying, and it was waking up every day and trying again is bold because every day is a new day, yeah, right?
7:32
SPEAKER_01: It's like I mean, because we go to bed sometimes, we're like, that was that day was messed up, but it's like you've got you're you're brave enough to wake up again and try again.
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SPEAKER_01: So I piggy, I echo what Michelle is saying.
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SPEAKER_01: Another thing that I I find to be bold is listening to your intuition and going with it and also speaking up, speaking up for those who can't speak up for themselves, for people speaking up for yourself, speaking up for your family, your entity, your group of people, whatever it might be.
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SPEAKER_01: I find it to be one of the boldest things is to be there for others.
8:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, having your voice.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: I think that's definitely a place uh it's like having a voice and actually using it.
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SPEAKER_02: And yes, I think that's what I did throughout my life.
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SPEAKER_02: I never called myself bold.
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SPEAKER_02: I would say, like, let's take a big swing of bold here, like in the organizations that I work with, you know, like let's try something, it might fail, but we're gonna learn.
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SPEAKER_02: So let's do it.
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SPEAKER_02: Kind of that growth mindset zone.
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SPEAKER_02: I think I've always been in that.
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SPEAKER_02: But I think as women, I think sometimes in organizations, I'll just say on the corporate side, outside of it, I'm sure it's the same way because here I am, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: So sometimes I don't know if we understand the strength of our voice.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where I'd usually get in trouble uh in some of the corporations because I didn't really dim it.
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SPEAKER_02: And I I think I got better at it in my 20s and 30s of how to like let it out.
8:51
SPEAKER_02: But you know, by my 40s, I was like, you know, I'm gonna be me.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where I kind of rubbed things the wrong way because I I could do things to a certain point and follow, but I think if I felt like something was, you know, wrong, or if I felt there was ethical moral line being crossed, I wasn't gonna drink the Kool-Aid.
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SPEAKER_01: And well, but but Lee, like you're saying, like rubbed it the wrong way, that was on them, you know, not on you.
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SPEAKER_01: That was their consumption.
9:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but when you're in your 40s, you don't really I mean, I'm 51, so like I feel like I don't I don't know what happened between 48 and now, but somehow I got smarter.
9:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh I feel yeah, I value myself more.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know if that sounds weird or not to anybody, but like it wasn't like I was not confident before or wasn't like someone who spoke up, but I don't think I realized or I listened to other people's voices tell me, oh, don't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: You're that's too loud or that's too aggressive, or you were too, you know, this or that.
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SPEAKER_02: Insert the line.
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SPEAKER_02: And when you're trying to fit in and kind of organization, sometimes you lose yourself a little bit.
9:54
SPEAKER_01: Totally.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And I think I just got to the point where I felt almost like I could never be me, and but I was still being me, and then it was getting me in trouble.
10:04
SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's also kind of what led me to the place and space where you know I burnt out, and that that happens.
10:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, listen, I love hearing about your boldness.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: I think it's badassness.
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SPEAKER_01: I never thought of myself as that either, you know.
10:19
SPEAKER_01: So like yeah, based on what you're telling us, yeah, I feel like your story's so interesting, Michelle.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know we're taping at the moment, but you did share with us how bold of a move you made over the pandemic, quitting, you know, going from your career to do your own thing.
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SPEAKER_01: And that is remarkable.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh I just had to happen.
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SPEAKER_02: Like my health had gotten so bad, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: And I actually had to rebuild myself from that perspective before I even started the business.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: But I was still having fun doing the creative stuff, thinking differently, kind of like freeing up.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, oh, it was like almost like a different part of my brain came alive.
10:51
SPEAKER_02: Can you relate to that?
10:52
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's what I was gonna say.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: Yes, 100%.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing creative coming out of a stifled, exhausted for me, resentful.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: I was angry.
11:04
SPEAKER_00: I was so upset, I was so irritated by the fact that I was barely around for my kids.
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SPEAKER_00: There was nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when I freed up that space and made the move and shifted and committed all of the put everything into the sister project, it was like my head popped off of my body.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: Or you put a different one on, right?
11:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:26
SPEAKER_02: It's like people would say you look different, you sound different, you're smiling more.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: So it's just kind of a fun, it was just a moment of time.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like scary at the same time.
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SPEAKER_02: It was just the most free moment of my life so far.
11:39
SPEAKER_00: It's such a growth point, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_00: Like you can actually that transition, it's just like you really feel like an expansion of yourself when you do that.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: It's a it's it is terrifying, slash, you know how they say stepping out of your comfort zone and getting out on the other side.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, nothing trumps that feeling, and you can't explain it to somebody else, right?
11:59
SPEAKER_02: You can't say it's like I always say to some of the my clients and to some of the people working with like I could just bottle just do it, but you you gotta experience yourself, you gotta take the right left steps into it.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: I think the person has to to hit that low burnout, whatever that looks like themselves.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's no joke.
12:16
SPEAKER_02: I know people talk about it a lot.
12:18
SPEAKER_02: For me, like burnout is serious.
12:20
SPEAKER_02: Like, how depleted did you feel?
12:21
SPEAKER_02: How energy sucked?
12:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I was uh I you know, one percent.
12:25
SPEAKER_02: I mean, and everything was given to my job, and I wasn't me.
12:29
SPEAKER_02: Like you just when you get to those places, and I bet a lot of listeners can relate to that, you get to a place where like I'm not even acting like me, I'm not even thinking like me, or like I'm short, or like I don't have as much patience, or you know, for me I wasn't sleeping, and that's terrible, and I wasn't eating well.
12:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we've added up.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: So I had to make that bold move, and I did, and I, you know, I'm not looking back.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: Being an entrepreneur and doing your own thing doesn't mean we don't have the tough days, or some days don't feel tired, or it's just a whole different type of tired is what I've mentioned.
13:00
SPEAKER_02: So when's the first time you all remember being bold?
13:03
SPEAKER_02: So obviously you're bold now, but like when's the first time, like from your definition that you're like, yeah, I I I'd say that was bold.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: Gosh, I've got like a big moment and I've got a little moment.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: The little moment was a teacher was really brutal to me, and he treated me terribly.
13:21
SPEAKER_01: He would call me names.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: This was at our high school, it was a strange dynamic between teachers and students, and I didn't, I chose not to like give into it.
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SPEAKER_01: He wanted to be this is so strange.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: He wanted to be called daddy, okay.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: And I know it's so weird, and he was our speech teacher.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: That is beyond weird, and he'd be fired, hopefully, today for that.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: I know it is.
13:40
SPEAKER_01: It is.
13:41
SPEAKER_01: No, no, he is loved and adored.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: It's so weird to me, and I refused to call him that, and so he hated me for it.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: But I felt very bold that I wasn't going to give in to some sort of weird, it was strange and I felt uncomfortable.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: And as a young woman, as a young, you know, as I was in, I was probably 16, 17.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a strange feeling for me to have that kind of relationship with a teacher, but I felt very bold in sticking up for myself and not giving into it.
14:08
SPEAKER_01: And for the rest of that semester, he treated me like garbage.
14:11
SPEAKER_01: And that how I felt was that was the repercussions of me not going along with his agenda.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: And from then on out, I felt really brave about sticking up for myself or voicing or not giving into what other people wanted me to give into based on what they wanted.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: So I think that was a very bold move.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: I would say you said that was the small one.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a pretty thank you.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: The other one's like the infertility and IVF, which is a that's a big one, too.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that the other one was just I didn't go along with it.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: It was a recommendation from my reproductive endocrinologist who suggested that after several failed IUIs and probably having endometriosis, to just go and start IVF.
14:55
SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know what?
14:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I can do any more infertility, any more medical intervention before finding out like if I really do have endometriosis and this is what's causing fertility issues.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: So I I said no to her and I sought a second opinion, got this, got my surgery, the laparoscopic surgery, and confirmed with a diagnosis that I did have endometriosis and fibroids, and he cleaned me all out and he told me he gave me a uterine facelift, which was really exciting.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: But it felt really bold.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: And this woman, I went back to her and she she got me pregnant after three IVF rounds and a lot of eggs harvested.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: So I worked with her, but it felt good to advocate for myself and make a bold decision to not just go along with her plan for my fertility route.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: It felt good to take my health into my own hands.
15:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: So a couple of things in there speaking to power.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: So in high school, your teacher is power, and so that's big.
15:50
SPEAKER_02: I think advocating for yourself and not going along with I would say group things.
15:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: You know, like this is what everyone does, so I should do it, or that's the doctor, and she's always right.
16:00
SPEAKER_02: So, so some bold movements there that can be uh certainly extrapolated out into lots of decisions.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: How about you, Michelle?
16:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, God, I I I was thinking about this, and I there have been many bold moves in my day, and I was actually trying to which which one should I choose?
16:15
SPEAKER_00: And I'm caught between the the first bold memory that I have as a teen when I was walking through the halls of my high school and a jerk made he he made a comment to a girl who struggled with her weight, and he made a rude comment about her weight and her appearance.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: And I I couldn't allow it to go, I couldn't allow it to be something that was said without calling this person out.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, really, dude, you're a jerk, basically, you know, like what the hell?
16:44
SPEAKER_00: And he actually, it's unfortunate he pushed me for sticking up for this person.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: It was very strange, but to I I walked away from that situation feeling kind of scared, but more strong in my ability to stand up for somebody who needed somebody else to step in and say, I got you.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: Well done, Michelle.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: And just uh, you know, later on in my athletic career, I was an athlete through college, and my team was uh victimized by a coach.
17:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't talk about it often, but it was uh he was making inappropriate comments and and reaching out in inappropriate ways.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: And as a group, my teammates and I went forth and were like, you know what, we're not gonna do this anymore.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: You can't treat us like that and sexually harass us and talk to us like that.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: We're out and we walked and we went to the school.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: And does he still have his job?
17:42
SPEAKER_00: Sadly, I wish I can say that this situation was directed in a different way and he was fired forever.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: That is unfortunately not the case.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: But what I believe that we did is pave the way for athletes behind us just being able to step forward and say, time out, this is not okay, and say, We're not gonna stand for this.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: And early on, like this was wasn't like in the last five years.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you were doing this multiple years ago, where it really wasn't as you know, the Me Too movement wasn't out there and kind of standing up for yourself.
18:16
SPEAKER_02: I think you were doing it certainly in a bold moment.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: I love what you said that I walked away kind of scared, but stronger.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and there's strength in being bold and still having it be unknown, like, oh man, what did I just do?
18:29
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes you know you're doing it.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Like this, I know, like I know I had these moments I was like, I know what I'm about to do is gonna tick somebody off, and I know what the domino is next and next and next, but I'm doing it anyway because it's the right thing to do, it's to stand up for the people that don't have a voice or to do the right thing from a safety perspective or whatever it may be, or your own safety.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, those are almost definitely bold moves.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: How do you think your boldness has now like folded into your journey now with your podcast and with your blog?
19:00
SPEAKER_02: Like the blog bloomed first, right?
19:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the blog was first, and I think what we have learned throughout the years of doing what we're doing is that one of the bold moves that we do sometimes and we get excited about is when we say no.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: When we say no, we can't do that work with you.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: It's either too much for our plate and it's and we are really overwhelmed, or we are at our capacity, or or when we say no, we have value.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, we say no sometimes because sometimes people the the funny thing about what we do, um, I guess you can say like we're partial influencers, but because you know we go online and we share shit that we like and whatnot.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: And people think there's I think that sometimes big brand or partners believe that it's we you will you work for us for free.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: You talk about our stuff, we'll give you some product, but that is work.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: That is still work.
19:49
SPEAKER_01: And to make content and to make video content and whatnot takes so much time and effort.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: And throwing a baby, an eight-month-old baby and 14-year-old twins into the mix, and it's even harder work to get to.
20:01
SPEAKER_01: So I think that we have found a lot of boldness, and I think it feels really good when we're allowed to just say no, thank you, but no.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: And also to speak our truth, to share our stories.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: It's it takes for us sometimes to share some of the hardest stuff that we've experienced.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: As I mentioned, the loss of our mom who died of dementia, who actually passed away from the exact same type that Bruce Willis has of FTD.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: And to share that story, it's emotional labor.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: But I find that if we share those stories and how hard it was, but also the beautiful aspects of having a dying mother and a mother who's passed, because there is beauty in death, in my opinion, it takes boldness to share those stories.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: And what it does that we have found is it has created a community.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: There are people that find us from all over the world who reach out that say, Oh my God, I found you from so-and-so.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, or I Googled this and you guys popped up.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: And thank you for sharing what it sounds like to be, you know, a daughter or a caregiver to a person with this illness, or what it was like for you to go through IVF or postpartum.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: So it takes some courage to share that stuff because it's not always fun reliving it, to be honest.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, 100%.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: There's effort in that being able to say no when it's on a value of me too.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: You know, like I have on my board here create joy and ROI.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: ROI.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Right?
21:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, am I gonna just be totally stoked and just happy about it and I don't care who makes money because there is a lot of that.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Or is it something that's bringing a lot of ROI, but there's still joy in it?
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Like it just can't be joyless.
21:40
SPEAKER_03: No.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: So I think that also comes in the equation ROI could just be your time.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: I don't always mean like cold hard catch.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: I mean like it's your time.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
21:51
SPEAKER_02: You know?
21:52
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's you know, one of the reasons that we did the podcast was just to amplify people's journeys because you never know who's listening, whether it's just like I'm not alone.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: Or is that what it at least someone gets what I feel like?
22:04
SPEAKER_02: Totally.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: You know, what are the things I can't stand people to say?
22:07
SPEAKER_02: And it's just it goes back to when I lost my brother when uh I was six and he was eleven.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: And then people as I got older would go, you know, talk about that or bring it up.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: They'd oh, I know how you feel.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: And I'm just would be like so pissed off.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: I'd be like, No, you don't.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: Like you didn't live it, so don't say, you know, you can so I can only imagine.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: Unless you walk in someone's shoes, you're not gonna do that.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: But I think that's the thing when you talk about your loss of your mom, like you know what it feels like, and when you can connect to someone who's going through that and they don't feel alone, I mean, there's so much power in that, and your boldness actually helps and and heals people and helps people.
22:42
SPEAKER_02: And then to me, like, there's no other better boldness than that from that perspective.
22:48
SPEAKER_02: So, one of the things I love about you is like your podcast has over 200,000 downloads, it is extremely popular, and you know, you talk about your cozy conversations.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: So, I have to ask to you like I know what I think cozy means, but what does cozy mean to you?
23:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh just the feeling, the thought, the feeling that I get when I think about a cozy for me is Lauren and I say this all the time.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: It's not about the plush socks, it's not about the cozy sweater, although that's nice, you know, it's about the experience, the moment that you find yourself in that makes you feel all the feels, you know, just like that warm, cozy contentment.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: And for me, that looks a million different ways.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: 365 days a year, it ebbs and flows depending on the season.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, cozy for me is making something in my kitchen that makes my house smell amazing.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: And when people walk in the door, they feel warm and safe.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: Cozy for me feels like sneaking on my couch at a time when most people probably don't think this is appropriate and stealing a chapter of a book.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's cozy is simplifying things and leaning in to whatever moment you create, whatever time of year.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: Lauren, I know you're chomping at the bit.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: I know, I I completely relate and echo everything you said.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: One of the things that we talk about is we want people, and I love that you asked that question, Lee, because it's true.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: It's like, what is everyone's cozy?
24:25
SPEAKER_01: What can you find in your life that is probably not cozies can be free?
24:29
SPEAKER_01: It literally can be a library book, like Michelle said, to have time and be cozy is to take time away from the aspects of life that you have to tend to and tend to aspects of life that you want to tend to.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: So it might be a walk outside, it might be a phone call with your best friend that you haven't talked to since 1994, but it might be anything that you can imagine that will relieve some of the daily grind and hustle from your being and give you a little bit of time of respite, a little bit of time to kind of collect yourself, be in the moment, and observe what's going on around you because being entrepreneurs, Lee, and you know this, it is an everyday.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: I mean, my head is spinning.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to time block, I'm trying to feed a baby, I'm trying to make one frickin' Instagram post and it's bananas.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: But if I don't get it all done, A, that's okay.
25:20
SPEAKER_01: B, within all that trying to juggle, I have to take time to not do any of that.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: Like Michelle called me right before we recorded this, or I called her on the walk with Luna, and I popped in your podcast to learn more about you and just be get prepared for this talk today.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: But then at one moment I made a very conscious decision, took my earbuds out.
25:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm an asshole.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: I need to be talking to my daughter who's looking all around.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, look at the blue sky, there's buds on the tree.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: And then I found myself, shoulders dropped.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: I got less anxiety because walking is so good for your mental health and physical health.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: And I found just being in the moment for that 15, 20 minutes, just that is actually what prepared me the best to have this conversation with both of you ladies.
26:05
SPEAKER_01: And that's what we try to inspire for our listeners is just take time out.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: Whatever your cozy is, go do it.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't care if it's shopping at the mall or getting a steak.
26:15
SPEAKER_01: As long as you're not working and grinding and hustling, then you got it going on.
26:20
unknown: Yeah.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: Lean into what your being is asking you to be, right?
26:24
SPEAKER_02: You know, totally.
26:24
SPEAKER_02: And you know, lots of people say, Well, I don't have time and I don't have this.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: Well, like that's the problem.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: That's the problem, right?
26:29
SPEAKER_02: So, you know, one of the things we talked about before we started recording was like people not we're talking about burnout and wellness and the connectedness between some of the messaging I have and some of the messaging that you all have.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: And really, cozying is taking care of yourself, yes, too.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: Like it's yeah, it's putting yourself first and knowing that everything else, although it there's very important things, there are things that need to be done, but you have to take care of yourself first.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes people think it's too hard.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Why do you think it's hard for people?
26:57
SPEAKER_02: What do they need to think about more when they say it's too hard?
27:00
SPEAKER_01: That's a really good question.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: We're like addicted, we like live in the society that is addicted to being busy.
27:06
SPEAKER_00: And so Lauren and I like to really be supporters of the doing nothing movement.
27:11
SPEAKER_00: Like there is something really quality of life to just doing nothing, not seeking out the goal, not trying to accomplish, cross the list, do the things.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: I was actually reading The Daily Stoic yesterday by Ryan Holliday, and he does this great book.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: It's called, Are you familiar with it, Lee?
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: It's so his book is so good.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: And every day is a new day.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: And yesterday's day was about sitting in a chair and doing nothing, just sitting there and letting your mind kind of you and your mind connect, listen to your thoughts.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: What are they telling you?
27:42
SPEAKER_01: Like maybe you'll come up with a great idea.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: But I think the reason why, like Michelle said, we can't slow down is because we are in this busy culture.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, in other countries, especially the Scandinavian countries and other European countries, and probably all these other countries all over the world, they are professionals at enjoying some social time with their girlfriends and incorporating family and friend time and making this kind of stuff happen in the hooga, right?
28:09
SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: Hooga.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: And that plays a huge role in our messaging as well, because we admire how other countries live their lives.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: If you look at Finland and some of these other Scandinavian countries, it's very cold and it's very dark for a good portion of their year.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: And they are still slated as some of the happiest people on planet Earth.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: And that's because they know what they're doing.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: The other thing is this hoog thing, you know, we live in a society too where we're also disconnected.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: We're like connected to our phones, we're connected to our computers, we're constantly doing everything but actually having really important connections, which is another huge aspect of what hooah is.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: It's this creating moments and space where you are having interactions and conversations and sharing um lovely meals with your people just for the sake of having a conversation and a connection which is proven good for you.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: And also the truth of the matter is life is way too short, and no one is guaranteed tomorrow to be working all day, every day, without some sort of connection with what it, whether it's a book or another person or with nature.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: Eugene Levy has a new series out called The Reluctant Traveler.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: I think that's what it's called.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: And he was just in Finland.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: And the Finns believe that connection with animals, nature, families, and themselves are like is like the perfect trifecta for happiness.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: And that stuff is it's simple.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: I agree, right?
29:38
SPEAKER_01: And it's simple.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: You don't have to spend a million dollars.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, if you want to travel, you might rack up a couple bills, but that's awesome too.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: But whatever gives you joy, and it doesn't have to be connection to material items because non-attachment will also have you find happiness.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: And non-attachment is very hookah and very cozy as well.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Because if you're not connected to all the BS and the material things, then you're just on a different kind of clearer path.
30:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: You're actually connected and dialed in more to the things around you, your surroundings, nature, the people, etc.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: But you're always, I think you're, I think what I'm always trying to do, especially now being on, you know, doing my own thing, is just be more intentional and be more present.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:20
SPEAKER_02: And people hear this over and over, but I don't think they actually try.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: You know, like for me, like for some reason, like, and there's I'm sure there's some science to it, I should look it up, but like your shower thoughts.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: I have some of my best ideas in the shower.
30:33
SPEAKER_02: I actually have a notepad in my shower.
30:34
SPEAKER_02: We're as weird as that.
30:35
SPEAKER_02: There's an aqua note.
30:37
SPEAKER_01: That's why I wanted to wait, what is this week?
30:38
SPEAKER_01: Tell us more about this aqua note, please.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:40
SPEAKER_02: So that's just a little notepad that's waterproof so that you can as a pencil that works in the shower.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: Amazon Aqua Note.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: And for me, I know what it is.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: You're just getting clean and like your brain doesn't have to concentrate on the phone, the what's next, the schedule, the did you do that or did you not do that?
31:00
SPEAKER_02: But having that moment like more in life when you're not in the shower is what I'm trying to do now, I think.
31:06
SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's the little things like you were with your your daughter, but I was, you know, walking the dog, and the dogs like they're present all the dang time.
31:13
SPEAKER_02: They really are.
31:14
SPEAKER_02: Literally, like, let me stop and smell the wind.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what are we doing?
31:17
SPEAKER_02: We don't have time.
31:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh the wind treatment, we have time, you know, like okay, it is kind of cool out here, you know, and be here now.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: And I think people just need to find that.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: And I think the other thing is if you don't, the repercussions of that aren't good.
31:33
SPEAKER_02: You know, you will be unhappy.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: You might not be healthy.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: I mean, what are the other things that you know you think you've seen or you've even experienced yourself?
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Like if you're not aligned with that lifestyle.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Lee, I was you just brought me to think about something.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: First, we've we can learn so much from animals, just putting that out there.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: Like you said, the dogs are looking and they're like wagging their tongues and they're seeing and feeling.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: But the other thing I was just thinking about when you were talking about what you uh just a moment ago was that I know I know some people who are very, very wealthy and very well off.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: They are the grumpiest freaking people I've ever met in my life.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: Now, I know some really rich, happy people too.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: But some of the people that I know who just have bags of money everywhere are so pissed off.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: They're so negative.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Because I can guarantee one thing for some of these people, and they work so hard.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: I got all the money in the world, but all I'm doing is working.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: And that what doesn't make you happy.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: But now, if you can integrate that work, work, work lifestyle with moments, time, take that PTO.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: I was there are reports out there about people that just leave money on the table, leave days on the table for what to keep working so that they don't have to stress about the emails.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Deal with it when you get back, everyone's gonna be fine.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: No one's gonna die if you don't get back to that email.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: It's just not, I just don't think life is sustainable in that not a happy one if there are little bursts of sprinkles of hoogah and time and solitude and connection.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Like it just cumulates the cumulative effect of not making space for that ends up being like you know, burnout, mental health issues, you know, all kinds, you know, body falling apart, angry, relationship issues.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: It's a domino effect.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: There's a new young line, the money you make isn't worth the price that you pay.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: Done.
33:25
SPEAKER_02: And so sometimes that really is the case.
33:28
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying don't have a job, I'm just saying, like, are you are you looking at what you're doing?
33:34
SPEAKER_02: Because some people say, well, it's stable and I have a job and I can't leave and I can't even think about this opportunity.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: And someone the other day we were talking about benefits, and like and I have benefits.
33:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, let's talk about that.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: What's the benefit of staying there?
33:47
SPEAKER_02: And then what's the benefit of leaving?
33:49
SPEAKER_02: This is someone who's trying to make a decision should I stay or should I go?
33:53
SPEAKER_02: And like they were talking about benefits, and I'm like, Well, you can get health care on this side of the street, like it still happens even when you don't work for X.
34:00
SPEAKER_02: I love how you said this side of the street, it's totally true.
34:03
SPEAKER_02: The entrepreneur side, you know, or I'm just changing.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Crossover pedestrian walkway.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Come on, there's yeah, there's a walkway, the lights gone, yeah.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: So come on over, but it's just like I was there for so long, but I didn't realize just what could happen if I just could do it.
34:20
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where it's just like sometimes I think the money does kind of you know lead, or it's they're the breadwinner and they just can't imagine changing.
34:30
SPEAKER_02: Well, like I always say too, like begin, begin.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, let's begin thinking about like what would you do?
34:36
SPEAKER_02: Maybe there's some parallelism, maybe it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
34:39
SPEAKER_02: You know, everyone's journey is different, so your steps are not going to be the same as mine or yours or anyone else.
34:45
SPEAKER_02: So, like just kind of broadening that thinking is helpful for people to feel cozy as well.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: And you know, we we were raised and with a mindset that get a good job, get good benefits, get a good job, get good benefits, and it was I mean, who I mean I feel like our stability and and we I did that and I worked from industry to different kinds of industries and I got my benefits and I was freaking not loving it.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: And I'm and now I'm sitting here in different circumstances, but loving what I do and working towards different things, things that will make me happy, things that I'm not stressed out about.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: I learned a long time ago that I don't do well with rules.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Rules, people tell me when I've got to be here taking, take a you get a 20, a 30-minute lunch.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I can't even eat that food, and you know, it's just a bunch of garbage.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: We don't we don't like to be controlled, yeah.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it feels but I I agree.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: This side of the street is difficult, it's challenging, but it's so liberating and it feels really freaking good and cozy.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then again, it's not dissing the other side, it's more so just saying, is that making you happy?
35:46
SPEAKER_02: And if it is, awesome, like stick with it, like be the best, whatever you are.
35:51
SPEAKER_02: But if you're having that gut little like, I wish I could do something different, or I want to explore, could it be different?
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, all I'm saying is just start to unpack it, just start to think about it, just start to talk to people about it because I think that's also important and write it down.
36:08
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think that's really helpful too.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: So when people, you know, we're talking about just real quick before we we end here, I could talk to you guys for all the time.
36:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this has been a lot of fun.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, same way.
36:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, same.
36:19
SPEAKER_02: One of the things that I posted, I posted something about Rihanna because I and I usually don't do the like I'm pissed off type of you know things.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: And I was still, it was low-key.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: It was still G.
36:31
SPEAKER_02: It was her picture of her on the front of the magazine where she's in the lead and her husband is with her child.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: Yep, the Vogue.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: Yes, the Vogue, yep.
36:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Vogue.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: And there was this, there were just a whole bunch of things about saying he was emasculated by the article.
36:45
SPEAKER_02: And I was just really freaking annoyed with it.
36:48
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, that's enough.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, she can be in the lead, and he can still be strong, even though he's holding the child and walking behind her.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: He's strong.
36:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, that is the that's a messed up way of looking at that photo.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: It's a different lens, but there's some message.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: It's a different lens.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there are some that's that they're very blurry and dirty and cracked, and dirty, messy, cracky, just maybe cracked.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: I don't even know of site old, old, they're old lenses.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
37:15
SPEAKER_02: Maybe get in a prescription.
37:17
SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's all they needed.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: But I like wrote more than I normally write, but it was just the time is now to like get out of this.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: And it was also coming off of her getting criticized, too, from the Super Bowl, where she, I just thought, kicked it and crushed it, and she was pregnant for Pete's sake and hanging from the ceiling, which I don't think I could do even non-pregnant.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: And then she like in the middle did an entrepreneur moment, which actually you know increased her sales 400% the next day.
37:45
SPEAKER_02: She's brilliant.
37:46
SPEAKER_02: So it was just kind of like a little bit of that, but it was interesting just to kind of see the reaction to that because it got a lot of reaction on LinkedIn, and it was this, yeah, the people were fired up.
37:54
SPEAKER_02: In your mind, like, what do you think it's going to take to kind of move the needle for people to get out of that old their old prescription, so to speak, of how they're viewing the world?
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Keep just women keep being bold.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: That's what it's gonna have, that's what it's gonna take.
38:09
SPEAKER_01: And oh people will get used to it.
38:11
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of what you said earlier, Lee, when you said, I don't think pe women were taught uh speaking up as much years ago.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: I think my I my opinion on that is that they were speaking up, they just didn't, no one wanted to hear them.
38:23
SPEAKER_01: And then they're right, and then they got freaking loud.
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SPEAKER_01: And I think until people just get used to the fact that women are leaders, that women can and are bold, then they're the ones that have to sit with their discomfort in seeing strong, powerful, smart women.
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SPEAKER_01: And until they can reconcile with that issue that they have, that that's a personal thing.
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SPEAKER_01: I think women are continuing to move the needle and be bold.
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SPEAKER_01: And that Vogue cover that shot with Rihanna, I was pregnant with her at the same time.
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SPEAKER_01: I like to pretend she's my pregnant buddy.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, I know it was really actually very cool.
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SPEAKER_01: And watching her turn pregnancy into something that can be sexy and fashion forward, that's also very bold.
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SPEAKER_01: We see, you know, my mother-in-law would be like Lauren, we wore tense when we were pregnant.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's because people thought of pregnant bodies as like, oh, they're getting bigger.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're you know, like they're changing.
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SPEAKER_01: And it was kind of not as beautiful, beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Instead of us being carried around by an honored, like amazing people instead of being on a pedestal, yes, hanging from the ceiling, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Like bright red.
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SPEAKER_01: People just gotta keep being bold.
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SPEAKER_01: And I love what you're doing in this podcast because you're giving an opportunity for women to amplify, amplify their boldness and help move that needle.
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SPEAKER_01: What we're all doing, this is I think the path to the needle being moved more and more.
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SPEAKER_01: 100%.
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SPEAKER_01: And you can't be cozy and bold at the same time.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, like it's not one or the other.
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SPEAKER_02: No, it's bold to be cozy.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll just say that.
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SPEAKER_02: It's bold to take your PTO, it's bold to think about yourself.
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SPEAKER_02: Totally.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so much for being on the bold lounge.
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SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_02: Please see down below in the episode notes for all about cozy conversations with the sister project podcast as well as the blog.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for being on the podcast today.
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SPEAKER_01: You're awesome, Lee.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: Get your cozy on.
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SPEAKER_02: Bold on.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you for listening to the Bold Lounge Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Through the continuum of bold stories, vulnerability to taking the lead, you will meet more extraordinary people making a positive impact from them through their unique and important stories.
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SPEAKER_02: By highlighting these stories, we hope to inspire a moment to share the journey of the day with a bold.