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Funny AF with Kevin Hart Is Delicious w/ Joey Chandler · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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Hey delishies, grab a plate and taste the delicious
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culture. I'm your host, John Francois. We are
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feasting on food, pop culture, and lifestyle
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with author, podcast host, speaker, founder of
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Certain Growth Solutions, Joey Chandler. Hey
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Joey, how you doing? I am doing great. I'm so
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excited for this conversation. Now I literally
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just realized this as I was talking with my wife
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about who's going to be on this episode. And
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one of our favorite shows is Friends. I don't
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know. I mean, how many times have you gotten,
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Oh my God. Joey and Chandler, your name is two
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characters from Friends. Yeah, it's funny. I
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track it like I think the show is a little bit
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of a downturn because I actually haven't gotten
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as many of those comments recently. You know,
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over the past, I don't know how many years it's
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been, 15 years, 20 years, whatever the number
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of years is. Yeah, I was Joey Chandler before
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Friends came out. I just I always put that out
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there. But one of the one of the funny things
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that if I'm feeling snarky. people will be like,
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oh my gosh, do you watch Friends? I'm like, no,
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what is that? And I'll just go, I'll just play
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dumb for as long as I possibly can. And some
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people, I had one guy, I did that in the comments
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of a TikTok, it was kind of like back and forth.
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this guy I know he's like dude you have got to
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get out of the house get off of social media
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if you don't know who friends is is like going
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on and I was like yeah it was a joke but he's
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like right exactly like people don't know how
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to laugh anymore but I would imagine I mean can
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I ask when you were born 1970 okay all right
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so like 24 years or so before friends yeah I
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would imagine if I was in your position at first,
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it would be cute to get the friends jokes. And
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then after a while, it would be like, all right,
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guys, I get it. Like, leave me alone. The worst
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actually was it was funny. During the show, it
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actually didn't come up that much. It was after
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the show kind of went to reruns is when it really
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and the part that was the most annoying is I
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was a family photographer for many years in the
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kind of mid 2005 to 2015 that rain. And the hardest
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thing was getting past the SEO of the Joey and
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Chandler fan clubs. Like, I wouldn't mind losing
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to another person named Joey Chandler, you know,
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in terms of ranking at the top. But it's really
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hard to be fighting against the fan clubs of
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two fictional characters that had been off the
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air for however many years at that point. And
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so that was... to clarify these are fan clubs
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for like Joey and Chandler individually or is
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it like Collectively people are a fan of both
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Joey and Chandler. There's no there's like Joey
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and Chandler fan clubs like the two of them together
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There's also Chandler and there's also Joey,
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you know Chandler being in Joey Tribbiani fan
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clubs But there are also fan clubs that are Joey
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and Chandler fan clubs and for the longest time
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like when I finally got above them in terms of
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SEO ranking It was like I would like I could
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celebrate it was like the biggest accomplishment
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I had done in my business and forever So that
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was that was what I got annoyed But but this
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time it people I can tell what someone's going
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there that I can see like does anyone ever mention
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your name? You know, so that sort of thing. To
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be honest, were you a little bit annoyed with
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me when I started to mention France? It's okay
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if you are. No, no, no. I mean, we're talking
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about pop culture. I mean, it was almost... I
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hadn't thought about it, but as soon as you started
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going, you know, as soon as you mentioned your
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wife, I'm like, I know where this conversation
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is going. So it wasn't... It was not surprising.
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But yeah, the fun part is when I play Dom and
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I'm like, no, I never... Tell me about that.
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What do you like about that show? You know, we'll
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go on and on. Why not? Yeah, make it entertaining.
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for yourself. Um, yeah, no, it's interesting
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that you say that, uh, you weren't getting the
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whole friends jokes when it was actually on the
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air between 94 and 2004. And I think, I mean,
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that could be because like back then it was like,
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episodes would come out week to week on TV and
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that's the only place where you would see them.
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They would just come and go, maybe you'll see
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those episodes reruns like every six months or
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so. So it was that weird thing of like, friends
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was certainly a part of the, you know, water
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cooler conversation, but. because it was just
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so fleeting on TV. I think it was much more easier
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to be under cover and not really find as much
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people who are thinking about it or talking about
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it. Uh, ever since streaming and social media
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came into fruition. I mean, that shit just stays
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there. You know what I mean? Like you have a
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permanent record. It's not like turning on the
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TV and it's like, Oh, friends is on and then
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it's not. And then other shows are on. It's like,
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you could literally like pull up your internet
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screen and just. have friends, friends, friends,
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friends, friends. So there is a, there's a certain
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permanence to the friends in the age of streaming
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and social media where I would get people like
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constantly coming up to you and being like, Oh
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my God, it's Joey and Chandler. Yeah. And also
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syndication, same sort of thing. Like you could,
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you know, with cable TV, I'm pretty sure you
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could watch, you could flip through the channels
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and watch 24 hours of friends if you wanted to.
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Yeah. I mean, TBS probably has its lights kept
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on largely from sitcom reruns like Friends and
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the Big Bang Theory. I remember it might've been
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like a CW affiliate, like back in high school
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where I used to watch Friends reruns. Cause I'm
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born in 91, so I was a little too young to watch
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Friends when it was actually on. I do remember
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like watching it with my siblings and my mom,
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like the series finale. Cause I think by the
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time the series finale - came out I was in like
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seventh grade so I remember like all the hubbub
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and hype about like oh my god the series finale
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of friends but yeah I really started to get into
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it like when it was in reruns after it left the
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air and it was literally like an appointment
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for me it was like go to school and then after
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school I'm at home I'm eating dinner I turn on
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the TV and I watch a syndicated rerun of friends
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so yeah yeah it's it's it will never go away
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it will never go away I mean I went to the Warner
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Brothers tour god It must have been, I think,
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a couple years ago in Burbank and literally 90
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% of the tour is just Friends shit. It's just
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like, oh, sit on the Friends couch. Take a picture
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with the, I don't know, cardboard cutouts of
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the Friends. They are making money on that tour
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off of people's love of that show. So I apologize.
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I apologize for following you. The other part
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that's interesting, I find that people are either,
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especially my age, They're a little more they're
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either friends or Seinfeld like yeah a little
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bit of like your one, you know There's a little
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bit of crossover, but you're like I'm I'm much
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more Seinfeld than I am friends and I get that
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and I like Seinfeld as well I mean, I used to
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watch the reruns and I've seen it on Netflix
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as well and I wonder what it is it to that because
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and and and here's my theory like Friends. It
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might be a gender thing because I do see friends
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as a very women appealing show in the sense of
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like, I don't know. I just like, Oh, Hey, like,
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you know, we're all gossiping in our apartment
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and at the coffee shop, we're all hooking up
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with each other. Like it's there. There's themes
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to that show that definitely can appeal to a
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female audience. Um, and then Seinfeld, the characters
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are all unlikable in their own way, but they're
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very funny. They're self -involved, but they're
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funny self -involved. And because it's led by
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standup comedian Jerry Seinfeld, I think there
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is that male bent of like, all right, we're going
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to have like really. Sharp jokes. We're going
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to have situations that probably guys would laugh
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more at than girls, such as the, the, the masturbation
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episode, who can hold out the longest. And, um,
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Oh my God, that's, it was that there was that
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cigar store Indian episode with Kramer. Like
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he had the statue and I always remember that
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scene. Like, I think he like stole, did he like
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steal the statue and he was in the car late at
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night and he was just like, Jerry was dating
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a Native American woman at the time that was
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that was the other part that that but this is
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the thing that I find funny about Seinfeld is
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that people can like rattle off their favorite
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scene like their favorite kind of whereas like
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friends you kind of You really rattle off more
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the character of like my favorite character We'll
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talk about that and I and so I think they're
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I'm not sure there's also like I'm probably more
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sarcastic then I Guess no, here's a part. I believe
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the Seinfeld characters more than the Friends
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characters, I believe I could believe that that
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that group of friends existed More so than than
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the that the friends characters Existed in that
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way, but that that's just me Yeah, yeah, no,
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no, no. I mean, you know, again, I think there
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was just a certain, there was a certain hipness
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to it. There was a certain edge to that show.
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making a lot out of nothing. It was a show about
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nothing. I loved the minutiae of it. It was great.
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And then you look at a show like Friends, and
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a lot of people, of course, will remember, like,
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oh, Ross and Rachel, on and off. We were on a
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break. Like, Chandler and Monica hooking up in
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London and trying to keep it a secret from the
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rest of the Friends until it was too late. Like,
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yeah, like, there are aspects about those shows
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where it's like, oh, yeah, like, I understand
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why a Seinfeld fan would be so dramatically different
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from a Friends fan. And then you have people
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like me who are like, oh, yeah, no, I like both
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of them. I think they're... I think they're fantastic.
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I think a lot of people like both. I mean, I'm
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certainly not going to say that I didn't laugh
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very hard sometimes watching the Friends episodes.
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But if I had to, well, I'll say this. I have
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watched and rewatched Seinfeld episodes much
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more than I have friends episodes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh my god I think the actor's name was Patrick
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Warburton when he dated Elaine I his voice is
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so iconic because he voices one of the characters
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in that cartoon movie that I loved growing up
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the Emperor's New Groove But um, oh there was
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Huddy Puddy was his character's name. Puddy was
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his name? Yeah, no, big guy, right? The strong,
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strong guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, big strong guy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just very macho,
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but he would put it in a goofy way. Yeah. And
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then, like, I remember there was a scene, like,
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it was, like, the morning after they had sex,
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and this was also part of the Seinfeld bloopers,
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and he was just, like, giving this, like, really
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comical macho face, like... Yeah, like you just
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like he was like really satisfied with himself
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that it was yeah It was I mean for people listening
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and watching you have to watch it to really enjoy
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it But yeah, no, I mean you're you're talking
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about Seinfeld and I'm like, oh my god so many
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great memories of episodes the Chinese restaurant
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episode especially when they're just you know
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standing up and talking and and that's the entire
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episode is just them standing up and talking
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and trying to find a table at a Chinese restaurant
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and So it was it was it was wonderful. I love
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it Um, can you give me like a short elevator
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pitch for certain growth solutions? Like if someone
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else, if someone was to come up to you and be
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like, Oh, what's certain growth solutions is
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about? And you want to give them like the best
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elevator pitch ever. What would it be? Yeah,
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we help people achieve goals, basically create
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more clarity, more confidence and more energy
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by clarifying and leveraging their personal core
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values. What we've found is that we all have
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core values in some way. But the biggest problem
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that's missing in most of core values conversation
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is that we talk about them. We don't have a system
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for using them. And I've developed a system that
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allows people to basically say, hey, here's a
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goal. Here are the fears that come up regarding
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that goal and then replace those fears with your
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values. And when you operate based on your values,
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you're more likely to achieve goals, overcome
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challenges, because you're basing it off of your
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own intrinsic motivation rather than being told
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what to do. Can you give me an example of this?
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of how you break this down? Will we help people
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identify there's three core values like minor,
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connection, curiosity, and fun? and then we ask
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people six questions. So it's what can you celebrate
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about yesterday? What did you learn from that?
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What is your most pressing goal? And then immediately
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after the goal, what's the fear that comes up
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when you think of that goal? And then after you
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acknowledge the fears, you say, hey, what do
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my core values say to do? And then from that
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list of ideas, what's an action that you can
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take? And when you go through those, each of
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those steps are, there's a bunch of research
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behind each question, but the combination of
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the steps will have you go from feeling exhausted,
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frustrated, overwhelmed, to clear, confident,
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and energized. No, no. Sorry to interrupt. So
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I'll just give an example. It might come off
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as silly, but I want to just see how your program
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applies to this. So say if I... Say if I like
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wanted to conquer my fear of heights and I want
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to skydive how would your? Lessons apply like
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alright. I want to skydive, but I'm so scared
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of doing it, but I really want to do it I really
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want to accomplish it like what would you tell
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me and under certain growth solutions? So we'd
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have to know your core values, but let's just
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make them up here. We'll say adventure creativity
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and fun is that Is that somewhat a land in your
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world? Yes, absolutely. I love to have fun. I
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love to be adventurous and I'm, you know, I'm
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artistic, so yes. So what we would say is what
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can you celebrate about yesterday and what can
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you learn from that? That triggers dopamines
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in your brain and gives basically primes your
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engine. And when you say, hey, what did I learn
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from that? That gives you a sense of accomplishment
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and puts you into a growth mindset. So then you
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can go and say, OK, what's my goal? My goal is
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to go skydiving. That's the goal. And then you
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would say, what's the fear? And then you would
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acknowledge this is scary. I've never done it
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before. What if it doesn't work? Can I trust
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this? You know, whatever all those fears are.
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And then you would say, okay, well, what does
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my value say to do? And you say, well, creativity,
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I could record myself going up there and I can
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use it on a podcast. Adventure says to just take
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a deep breath and go for it. And then fun says,
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rather than celebrating the fear, actually celebrate
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the fear, rather than being afraid of the fear,
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we could celebrate the fear and have some fun
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with it so that at the end of it, I know I will
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have accomplished something. And then you say,
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okay, well, what can I do? I'm going to get a
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microphone and a GoPro and I'm going to record
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my very first skydive job. So that would be a
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way to celebrate the fear. That would be a way
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to, that would be celebrating it, that would
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be bringing it in to the sense of adventure,
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but putting in there. But the main thing is like
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you would come up with your own ideas and then
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you would choose the thing. Because ultimately
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what I found is because most of us are really
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stubborn and we do things our own way anyway,
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me telling you ideas is far less effective than
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you saying, hey, here's some ideas of my own.
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and I'm going to go choose to do them. And then
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you take those baby steps over and over again.
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Most of the, I'll say this, most of the fears
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that we overcome is not like the fear of heights.
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It's the fear of looking bad. It's the fear of
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I want to ask a girl out and, you know, she's
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going to say no. It's the fear of I want to be
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a standup comedian. And, you know, how can I
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do that? Or, you know, stepping into that unknown
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-ness, that thing that we want to do that we're
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afraid of, that's mostly the fears that we talk
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about. Got it and I can relate to those fears
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that you just mentioned I mean I think I flirted
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briefly with the idea of becoming a stand -up
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comedian back in the day, but just like oh My
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god, like how would I how would I start a dialogue?
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How would I get to a joke? like what funny things
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can I think of in my own life like all these
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things that go in your head and especially the
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fear of approaching a girl that you're interested
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in. Way before I met my wife, that was a big
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insecurity of mine, is not only approaching the
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girl, but also, there are guys that... They're
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very forward. They'd have no problem in letting
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a girl know that they're interested. Me, I see
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it as a vulnerability that I didn't want to unpack.
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Like, I just felt like, oh crap, like, if I let
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a girl know directly that I'm interested, then...
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the chance of rejection is going to be really
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high. Like that's what it was going like in my
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mind. So what I used to do back in the day was
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like, oh, I like someone, but I'll play it cool.
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Like I'll make it seem like I just want to be
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friends. And then maybe along the way, like we'll
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see if we think the same way romantically. So
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yeah, no, I get those fears that you're talking
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about. They're certainly very commonplace. Yeah.
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Yeah. And most like for me, it was like the woman
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literally had to throw herself at me for me to
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even... Realize that she like yeah, I'm like
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maybe you know, like I don't know maybe like
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she has to be like so is so a yes before me to
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ask her out like that was the and But in the
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other interesting part that I found in doing
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this work is that our fears aren't something
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that go away The way our human brain is wired
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is that when you set a goal of any any real significance
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a fear is going to come up So you're married,
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right? Yeah, you said you said yeah Yeah. So,
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you know, like when the first time you asked
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her out, there was a fear. When you decided to
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go steady or, you know, you can be serious, there
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was fears there. When you said, hey, would you
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like to marry me? There were fears there. When
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you, you know, buy a house, have kids, there's
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always fears that come up. So it's not about
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getting the fears away. It's just about having
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a system that allows you to set those fears aside
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and then operate based off your values in that
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moment. I'm going to provide an alternative to
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that. Like, so my wife and I met on a dating.
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Like I actually found dating apps to be much
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more easier than the old school way of like,
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Oh, you meet someone and then if you're interested,
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you'd take a leap of faith and ask them out.
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Uh, dating apps for me were kind of a convenient
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crutch because it's like, all right. If we're
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talking on here, we know what we're about. Yeah.
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People say like, I hate dating apps. I'm like,
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look, it's so nice because you can go through,
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you can talk about, you can look at religion
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and politics and get a general, like you get
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so much information from a dating app that you
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never could get from, hey, can I buy you a drink
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at a bar? Right. You know, like there's so much
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there. So yeah, I'm, but I'm going to guess that
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you have had other fears that come up as your
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relationship has progressed. Oh God. I mean,
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the fear. So it's kind of it. I would say it
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was kind of in reverse, whereas like a lot of
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people will be nervous, like talking to the person
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on the first time on the app. And then especially
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going into the first day at the time that I was
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talking to my wife on the app. And then on the
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way to the first day, I had been through so many
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dates that I was confident. with that I was calm
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I was like all right here we go like if this
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doesn't work out whatever we'll go on to the
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next one and then when it started to set in that
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oh wait like we're going on a few dates and this
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feels different this feels nice that's where
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the stress and anxiety set out that's where the
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fear set in that's where all of it like oh my
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god from you know oh shit like here we are having
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sex for the first time and it's absolutely clumsy
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I didn't have no idea what the fuck I'm doing
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and oh my god here we are moving in together
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uh but but there's a friend that she's living
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with that I'm also moving in with and you know
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the the weird social dynamics of that like so
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The introduction I was fine, but then the relationship
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progressed and I realized holy shit This is actually
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different from any other relationship. I've had
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that's when I want to shit my pants No, it's
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great to say because everyone has fears at different
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points like some people are confident early on
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some people are confident later on but never
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can get going there's all sorts of things this
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year I gave myself the challenge of Reading a
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book a month. That was my new year's resolution.
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And as part of that I ended up reading Mating
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in Captivity, which is by Esther Perel. There's
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a book called Come As You Are by Emily Nagoski,
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I think is how you say her name. Magnificent
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Sex, No More Mr. Nice Guy, and Ethical Sluts.
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Like I read like, I gave myself like a curriculum
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of, and it was actually really great. It was
20:03
really interesting. But what I saw across all
20:06
of those is that the main thing that's there
20:09
is for us to be able to say, hey, this is who,
20:11
like if you want to have a relationship that
20:12
works over time, we got to be able to say, This
20:15
is who I am. This is what I want in terms of
20:18
a relationship, in terms of the interaction,
20:21
the sex, just the day -to -dayness. This is what
20:25
I don't want in terms of those. And then you
20:27
have to be able to express that to your partner.
20:30
You've got to be able to share it and then hear
20:32
his or her what they want. And then the interesting
20:37
part that I think really gets overlooked is then
20:40
you've got to be curious. Because what worked
20:43
last week may not work this week and it certainly
20:47
can you can't assume that's gonna work next week
20:49
so you have to be in the state of and this is
20:51
where I think knowing your values and coming
20:54
from a sense of like hey like if your event your
20:56
values are creativity adventure and fun You can
20:59
be like, okay, how can I bring creativity, adventure,
21:01
and fun to my lovemaking, to the sex? And what
21:05
would be creative, adventurous, and fun for her?
21:08
What do those things mean to her? Because those
21:10
are different things. And what does she need
21:12
to feel to be able to do that? You can start
21:14
to really explore these, because I think, I'm
21:17
divorced, and I know for certain one of the things
21:20
I got in our way is that... We stopped being
21:22
curious. We started just relating to each other's
21:25
like this is how things are and you know and
21:27
all that kind of stuff and I think if you want
21:29
to have a relationship that lasts especially
21:31
these days You got to have that sense of curiosity
21:33
and it takes courage to be able to say hey, honey
21:35
What if we tried this when this is something
21:38
that you haven't done before or is something
21:40
that you you know What if we stop doing that
21:42
because I want that doesn't work for me anymore
21:43
That's a conversation that it takes a little
21:46
practice But it lays the foundation for a relationship
21:51
that will work over time. Yeah, I certainly need
21:53
to work more on that. And my wife could certainly
21:56
agree on this. When it comes to our sex life,
22:01
I'm the kind of person that's like, all right,
22:03
the way we did it, like this way, like this specific
22:07
way or that specific position, like, all right,
22:09
that seemed to work for me. That was something
22:12
that I could get a groove with. Um, because that
22:15
works, let me do it this way again and again
22:18
and again. And that is based on a fear of like,
22:21
oh shit, like if we try it in another direction,
22:24
it might not work. It may not work. I will look
22:28
stupid. And so that's something I certainly need
22:31
to work on is just embracing that fear of the
22:34
unknown and trying new things and being adventurous
22:36
and curious in our, in our sex life. So I'm glad
22:40
that you brought that up. Yeah, because you can,
22:42
you can actually, you can use those questions.
22:45
You can say, Hey, what can I celebrate? And what
22:46
about yesterday? What can I learn from that?
22:49
And then you can say, I want to have a great
22:51
sex life. Like that's my goal. And then what
22:53
are the fears that come up regarding a sex life?
22:55
And you lay out whatever those fears are, then
22:57
you say, okay, what do my values say to do? What
23:00
is creativity? What does fun? What does adventure?
23:02
Like, what does it take for you to feel adventurous
23:04
in the bedroom? Like, you can start to think
23:06
about that, and just what that means. And what
23:10
I find is that people, it starts to build the
23:15
foundation to allow people to explore those different
23:17
areas that they may or may not have explored
23:20
and do it in a safe way. Because if you're not
23:22
trying to do something new or different, if you're
23:24
constantly saying, hey, How can I bring more
23:28
creativity fun and adventure say to your podcasting?
23:31
You know, you start to build up that muscle and
23:32
you say how can I bring this to my? Friendships
23:35
and you build up that muscle and then when you're
23:36
like then when you're gonna deal with something
23:37
kind of you know, that's not I don't know if
23:39
serious is the right word but Challenging like
23:41
your sex life when you if you've done in different
23:44
areas, you've built up the muscle Do you say
23:46
okay? Hey how yeah, I think this would I'd like
23:49
to try this this or this or this is what it takes
23:51
Or you can have a conversation with your wife
23:54
I mean literally just saying like hey, what what
23:56
would be an adventurous sex life? Like what does
23:58
that actually mean to you? What does that mean
24:00
to me? And you can start you can start to explore
24:02
it and then and you start to see where the overlaps
24:04
there are and Assuming things assuming things
24:06
are you know, there's some similarities. You
24:08
can start to start to move forward. Yeah Absolutely,
24:12
having a dialogue is is very important and And
24:16
the creativity, the adventurousness, the curiousness,
24:20
and embracing the fear, celebrating the fear,
24:22
I can apply that to this podcast as well. I mean,
24:24
this episode is a perfect example, because since
24:27
embracing this format of, all right, I'm going
24:30
to ask people what their favorite meal is, their
24:32
favorite pop culture, what's a favorite thing
24:34
that's happened in their life, I tend to be the
24:36
kind of person that like... I could be like rigid
24:39
in a routine. So there used to be episodes where
24:42
it was like, all right, I'm literally just going
24:44
to start and end the conversation based around
24:46
these three questions that I ask people. But
24:48
then quite very quickly, I got sort of like bored
24:50
by it. And I was like, all right, how can I make
24:52
myself uncomfortable? How can I mix it up? How
24:54
can I add some different color to each guest?
24:57
And yeah, this is a perfect example instead of
24:59
like, oh, I'm going to always Again, start the
25:02
conversation with what's your favorite food?
25:04
Let's talk about friends. Let's talk about embracing
25:07
our fears of skydiving. Let's do that as we gradually
25:10
work up to those questions. So yeah, I loved
25:14
it. That certainly applies. Yeah. And what you're
25:19
seeing there is that you're seeing that your
25:20
core values, and again, I'm not saying these
25:22
are 100 % true, but if they are, at least in
25:24
alignment, creativity, adventure, and fun, you're
25:27
seeing that they are already in your life. We
25:30
did by us kind of clarifying those were not saying
25:34
we didn't create anything new All we did we clarified
25:36
them and you can look back and you can say oh,
25:39
yeah Hey, I did it here here and here I did on
25:41
my podcast And so that gives you a sense of confidence
25:43
without having to do any extra work And then
25:46
you can use those stepping stones. You're not
25:48
perfect. There's places where you're not adventurous,
25:50
where your creativity is lacking, where you're
25:52
not having fun. You can do that. But then you
25:55
can use those as stepping stones. And then you
25:57
say, OK, now I want to apply this to an area
26:00
that maybe I'm a little bit challenged. And that
26:02
could be your sex life. It could be your business.
26:04
It could be politics. It could be anything where
26:07
you're feeling a little bit stuck. You can say,
26:08
OK, how can you go through those questions? Then
26:10
how can I bring a little more of my values to
26:12
it? And since you know that you can do it in
26:14
other areas, gives you a foundation for doing
26:16
it in this new area. I agree. I agree. And speaking
26:19
of those three questions that I mentioned, why
26:22
not get to them? First off, Joey Chandler, a
26:28
delicious meal that you've had lately. Talk to
26:29
me. So I've been thinking about this conversation
26:33
and here's the meal that is like on my mind the
26:35
most. It's crepes from Mother's Day. Because
26:39
mother eats crepes, you know Mother's Day is
26:41
coming up right and for my in my when I was growing
26:45
up and When when I was married and even today
26:50
on Mother's Day, we'd make crepes And and I and
26:54
I and I had and I've had a crepe recently not
26:57
too long ago at this restaurant here in Vermont
26:59
called The Skinny Pancake. But remind me what
27:02
they are. Describe it, break it down. So a crepe
27:04
is like a fancy pancake. It's from, you know,
27:07
it's from France. It has much, it's much more
27:09
eggy and has more sugar in it. So it's very thin
27:12
and it has a, there's generally a little more
27:15
sweetness to the batter. and you cook it and
27:18
then really what makes the crepe is the thin
27:21
pancake, but it's all the stuff that you put
27:23
into it. You can put in sweet stuff like Nutella
27:27
and bananas is a favorite. You should put in,
27:30
we used to do... butter, sugar and lemon on them.
27:34
But then you can also do savory, like a ham and
27:37
a cheese and some sort of spice in a crepe. So
27:40
you can do all sorts of things. So what I love
27:43
about the meal of crepes is that you make it
27:45
all up and you chop up different things. And
27:48
then people just start putting it all together.
27:50
It's almost like they're making their own little
27:51
pizzas. And it's that kind of community and fun
27:54
and creating together that is for me what makes
27:58
those meals just really, really fun and enjoyable.
28:01
Yeah, the crepe I last had, bananas, Nutella,
28:06
as you had mentioned. I think I had like a vanilla
28:10
ice cream along with it. Um, I would say my only
28:13
takeaway from that is I wished I had like balanced
28:17
it out more. Cause I felt like it was very leaning
28:20
heavily on the sugar part of it. And you know,
28:24
a little too sweet for me. So for example, like
28:26
I could have had like a ham, cheese, sausage,
28:29
crepe, and then like a scoop of vanilla ice cream,
28:32
maybe some Nutella on the side. But instead it
28:34
was just like, oh, chocolate and ice cream and,
28:37
you know, and maybe powdery sugar. Like it was
28:41
just very, very sweet. But nonetheless, delicious
28:45
in its own way. They made it well at the skinny
28:47
pancake. I gotta ask why specifically crepes
28:51
for Mother's Day? Is that like a... It was...
28:56
I don't remember where it started, and we make
28:59
crepes more often than Mother's Day, but I just
29:01
remember like on Mother's Day, those were the
29:04
things that we would make up. And it was, because
29:06
it was just one of those things like the kids
29:09
could get up and make chaos in the kitchen. When
29:13
I was dating and when our son was born, we would
29:17
go in and I'd make crepes with my son, you know,
29:21
for my wife or my ex now. And it just, it just
29:27
was, it just felt like kind of a fancier thing
29:30
you can do for breakfast that was doable. Like
29:33
it just, it was, it was, and, and, and in our
29:36
family, everybody likes crepes. So it's, it just
29:38
makes for a fun, enjoyable kind of collaborative.
29:42
And then you, and then everybody can make their
29:44
own. Some people can do the sweets. Some people
29:46
can do the savory. You can do both. And so to
29:48
me, what like, and that's why I love like really
29:50
good meals. There's a certain sense of community
29:53
and coming together and And that sort of thing.
29:56
And so when I thought of like, what's the meal
29:58
that I want to talk about? I was like, oh, it
30:00
was just it was interesting. That was the first
30:02
thing that came to came to my mind. And I mean,
30:04
I ask if this came from your your childhood,
30:07
like you made it for your mother and make it
30:10
for my mom. And and we the the book, The Joy
30:14
of Cooking, you know, is, you know, classic cookbook
30:17
that is actually a child that wrote that book.
30:19
No, I don't know. I think I don't actually know
30:22
who wrote The Joy of Cooking. Let me look that
30:24
up. Yeah, it's just to me, it's just like it's
30:27
like the cookbook because and it's been around
30:29
forever. Like it has mushroom gravy and biscuits
30:32
type of recipes. But like that it has just a
30:35
classic crepe recipe in that. Irma S. Rombauer.
30:39
Yeah, she's been around. It's been around forever.
30:41
So you use that book not only with when I was
30:43
younger with my mom, but also in what we had
30:46
in our kitchen when I was married. And so we
30:49
would just use it. And so it just made for really
30:53
fun breakfast. And it just was great for Mother's
30:56
Day. Yeah. And where are you based? I'm in Reno,
31:00
Nevada. Reno, Nevada. OK. Got it. Got it. You
31:03
know what? Maybe there's just something to that
31:07
climate, because I would imagine it's a warm,
31:11
tropical climate there. You're not too far from
31:13
Las Vegas. I also think of a crepe as like tied
31:16
to when my wife and I were on our honeymoon,
31:18
we were in both Miami and the Bahamas and we've
31:22
had a crepe experience in an outdoor restaurant
31:24
in Miami. So along with it being like this sort
31:28
of special occasion Mother's Day thing, I always
31:30
associate it with like, oh yeah, like if it's
31:32
like a nice summer outdoor day, especially if
31:34
you're going on vacation a crepe can provide
31:37
that that that fitting atmosphere you know what
31:39
I mean yeah and actually Reno is actually closer
31:42
to Lake Tahoe so we get more snow oh you know
31:45
this this time year just we're in our like two
31:47
weeks of spring right now the the heat will turn
31:50
up here fairly quickly Yeah, but that's the fun
31:53
part about crepes. You could do it as a as kind
31:57
of a warm something that you eat after skiing
31:59
or a It has a little bit more heartiness or you
32:03
can do it for fun. You just want some ice cream
32:05
at a While you're walking on the beach sort of
32:08
thing you can do you can do both and that's and
32:11
again That's the part that I I just really appreciate
32:13
about the meal Yeah, it's like a decorative arts
32:15
and crafts version of a pancake experience like
32:18
exactly. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely definitely
32:20
want to make a Special occasion out of it and
32:23
I apologize you may have mentioned this earlier.
32:25
Do you prefer sweeter savory in your crepe? I'm
32:28
I usually go for a little the sweet the sweeter
32:30
ones because I usually I'm having them for breakfast
32:32
but a good ham with like a gruyere type of and
32:36
cheese is and maybe some like sauteed onions
32:41
is really more like an omelet style. I love those
32:45
too. And you know, we'll have, you know, you'll
32:48
have three or four or five crepes. We usually
32:50
make them smaller. We make three or four or five
32:52
crepes. And so you will do both. But, but it's
32:55
funny, I rarely order crepes at a restaurant.
32:58
Maybe if we're going out to a place like I've
33:01
actually been to the, you're in Vermont, right?
33:03
Skinny Pancake in Vermont. Yeah. I think I've
33:06
actually been to one of them and like so there
33:07
we would get the I got the ice cream and Whatever
33:11
versions of those are so it's more like a dessert
33:13
if I want to get them out outside. I wonder you
33:16
know, maybe you not getting him so much at restaurants,
33:19
maybe there's just that connection that you have
33:21
with making him at home, growing up, like, and
33:24
just knowing that, like, a restaurant can never
33:26
replicate, like, the homemade quality of a crepe
33:31
and just that relationship that you have with
33:33
Mother's Day and making it with the family. Yeah.
33:35
Yeah, I don't know. I hadn't thought of it that
33:37
way, but, you know, maybe. I know my ex, she
33:39
really liked savory crepes. You know, maybe that's
33:42
why we got divorced. I like sweet and she likes
33:44
savory. That was the... That was the fundamental
33:46
conceit of the issue. She really loves the more
33:53
savory. And so I think it's a little bit like
33:55
just like, yeah, what you associate maybe when
33:57
you're younger. We always had sweeter crepes
34:00
when I was growing up. And so that's what that's
34:01
what associates with me. And for her, it was
34:04
always the more savory ones. There you go. There
34:08
you go. Can I ask like what's a delicious piece
34:12
of pop culture that you've enjoyed lately? Yeah
34:14
The the thing that I've been really is just recent
34:17
is the Kevin Hart's funny AF Yeah, it's a comedy
34:22
competition. He went to LA New York and Chicago
34:25
they had like 15 comics at each one of those
34:29
and they chose five and then they you know, they
34:32
went through various competitions and then last
34:34
night they They just announced the winner. And
34:37
that winner gets their own Netflix comedy special?
34:40
Their own Netflix comedy special, yeah. And what
34:42
I really loved about it, what caught was that
34:44
Kevin Hart, he had a bunch of other comics come
34:47
on, like Chelsea Handler and Nikki Glaser and
34:50
Keegan Thomas... Keegan Michael Key, I think?
34:54
Yeah, Keegan Michael Key, yeah. Key and Beal?
34:56
Yeah. They had them come on, and it was just
34:59
really interesting to hear them discuss what
35:02
makes for a good comic. and what they were looking
35:05
for in their comedy and what they and just hearing
35:08
hearing them discuss the kind of the details
35:11
of comedy to me was really interesting. And the
35:15
funny part was as a couple last year in like
35:18
October, November, I tried my hand at stand up
35:21
comedy for a couple months. Really? Yeah, I went
35:24
to I went for I went to a whole bunch of just,
35:28
you know, just stand up, you know, open mics
35:31
and throughout Nevada. Just throughout Reno.
35:35
Like in most cities, there is a stand -up culture
35:40
with the open mic. So you can basically find
35:42
probably most every night there's an open mic
35:44
somewhere. There were three or four or five in
35:46
Reno. What I found is I'm not very funny. You
35:55
may think that but maybe the audience disagrees
35:58
maybe they found no no they were they were they
36:00
were pretty clear that is like you know immediately
36:03
like the audience will let you know immediately
36:05
I'm better in a conversation like like yes like
36:09
on podcast I have a certain ability to talk and
36:12
ask questions and bring up humor and in a way
36:14
that works but the art of standing up in front
36:17
of somebody and saying telling a story is so
36:21
incredibly just is such an amazing art form and
36:24
like one thing that Kevin Hart said is like when
36:27
when a comic stands up we want to know who you
36:30
are immediately like we have to know who you
36:32
are then we want to start to hear your perspective
36:34
about a particular thing and why that is funny
36:37
and and I realized like when I would stand up
36:40
I wouldn't take a take the time to really say,
36:43
hey, this is who I am. I would try to get into
36:45
the story faster. And I think that was one reason
36:47
why there was a disconnect between me and the
36:49
audience. Like I wasn't as good at that part.
36:51
So the funny AF has just been this really interesting
36:56
exploration of what makes somebody funny. And
37:00
like the guy who won last night, I won't say
37:03
who it was, in case anyone hasn't seen it yet,
37:06
but. I was surprised he actually wasn't the best
37:09
the guy that has the guy that had been done at
37:11
the best like been consistent over and over he
37:14
didn't have his best show you know the final
37:16
the final thing it just wasn't so how did he
37:19
win no the guy who won he he had his best but
37:23
the guy who had been the most consistent throughout
37:25
uh and that people were you know honestly we're
37:28
kind of expecting him to win he just didn't have
37:31
his best delivery that night And it really just
37:36
shows the power of consistency and being able
37:40
to bring it on day after day. And so it was just
37:45
awesome. And some of the stuff was just really
37:47
funny, just some really raunchy stuff. There
37:54
was one guy, he didn't have winning, but he had
37:58
gotten kicked out. He hadn't qualified. But then
38:02
someone quit and they brought him back. And after
38:05
they brought him back... He just, it just was
38:07
like, boom, nailing it, nailing it, nailing it.
38:10
And he got, he kept getting better. He wasn't
38:12
quite enough to win, but it was just so, it's
38:15
a really great thing. And Kevin Hart, I think
38:18
he did a great job as kind of, you know, choreographing
38:22
everything and bringing people together and giving
38:24
different challenges. Like they did a roast of
38:27
Marshawn Lynch. I saw that. Yeah. I saw that
38:29
on YouTube. Yeah. There's a couple of them. And
38:31
some of the stuff was really funny. And you could
38:33
see other people were like, Hey, one guy who
38:35
who was one of my favorites, he was funny, but
38:38
he didn't roast Marshawn Lynch. Like he didn't
38:41
follow, he didn't do the task of the... the comedy
38:45
and so he got kicked out. He did you know he
38:48
made jokes about everybody else and he did a
38:50
little bit with Marshawn Lynch but he just didn't
38:52
do it. Probably afraid to do jokes toward Marshawn
38:54
Lynch yeah. Yeah and then the other part is you
38:57
could see people there was a there's a couple
38:59
a couple people who were just nice in the roasting
39:02
and they didn't go that extra you know like one
39:08
guy said they had it was Kevin Hart Marshawn
39:10
Lynch and Nikki Glaser and One guy said yeah,
39:14
like, you know, you got beast mode and then you
39:17
got least mode and then you got yeast mode And
39:21
it was just it was just brew this he just roasted
39:24
all three of them in one line I was like, yeah,
39:26
that's funny like that is so I just really admire
39:29
comics who can talk about things and bring a
39:32
different perspective and then do it in a way
39:34
that's funny like is such an amazing art form.
39:37
Yeah. So wait, wait. Beast mode was Marshawn.
39:40
Least mode was Kevin. And yeast mode was Nikki
39:43
Glaser. Is that where we're at? God, I was looking
39:48
at that Marshawn lynch roasting clip and seeing
39:52
all the funny AF contestants. Oh, then the other
39:54
one that was really funny is like, one guy said,
39:57
yeah, Kevin Hart's like the slave that you get
40:00
when someone buys Marshawn lynch. the bonus slave
40:04
that you get when you, when you buy his marshmallow.
40:06
It was just like, you're like, Oh my God, that's
40:09
horrible. But it was so funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
40:12
Uh, I wonder if Kevin is, I mean, Kevin seems
40:16
to still take the, the, the short man jokes and
40:19
good spirits, but I mean, as long as it's like
40:23
creative and you can take a new approach to it,
40:25
I guess he'll still be okay with laughing at
40:27
himself in that respect. This was the interesting
40:28
part. This one woman, Carolyn, on her very first
40:33
bit, she stood up and started making some like,
40:36
you know, who are my short kings? I think that
40:38
was part of her, that was going to be her joke,
40:41
but Kevin Hart raised his hand and she like went
40:45
back and forth with Kevin Hart the very first
40:47
time that she had been on stage in this thing.
40:50
So it was like this moment of, like she'd lead
40:52
into something that she wasn't expecting. And
40:55
that was, and it just, it made it great that
40:59
she had the courage to not. not step away from
41:01
the guy who's in charge of her fate at that time.
41:04
Yeah. Definitely takes a lot of bravery, a lot
41:06
of courage to not only do stand -up, but to do
41:09
a stand -up comedy roast. That is something else.
41:13
Personally, I've never been a fan of the modern
41:17
style of roasting. I mean, I just look at these
41:21
roasts and I'm just like, oh wow, it just seems
41:25
mean to me. I know everybody's taking it in good
41:27
stride and that's great, but I mean, this is
41:32
weird coming from a guy who was born in 91, but
41:35
I would be more apt toward the Dean Martin style
41:39
of roasting, which was more light and... more,
41:45
I would say mainstream, family friendly, as opposed
41:49
to like sort of the modern Comedy Central style
41:51
of roasting where they can like really, really
41:53
hit you with, I don't know, any jokes about your
41:55
height, your race, your, your, your sexual capabilities.
41:59
But if people like it, you know, especially,
42:01
uh, you know, going back to Nikki Glaser, uh,
42:04
one would argue that her career really took off
42:07
after the Tom Brady roast that she did. So at
42:10
the end of the day, if everybody in that setting
42:13
in that room, uh, is okay with making fun of
42:15
themselves and it's not terribly hurt by it,
42:18
then there you go. All power to them. I had a
42:20
thought about the runner up. Cause I mean, I'm,
42:24
they probably weren't like identified as the
42:25
runner up contestant in funny AF, but the person
42:27
that you talked about that like was consistently
42:30
funny up until the, the final night, the final
42:34
competition when they weren't funny and then
42:36
they didn't win because of that. And I got to
42:39
wonder, I mean, that's got to be so soul crushing
42:42
for that person. And I just wonder how they feel
42:46
about that. And also I was thinking like, well,
42:49
if we're going to be realistic, like you go out
42:51
to be a standup comedy. I mean, the, even the
42:53
biggest comedians like, you know, you're Kevin
42:55
Hartz, you're Jerry Seinfeld, you're Chris Rocks.
42:57
Like they still bomb. Like bombing is a part
43:00
of stand -up comedy. Like, you could be at the
43:05
highest echelon of stand -up comedy success and
43:08
you'll still have a bad night. So I wonder, I
43:12
don't know, I wonder if they could have given
43:13
a little bit more grace to the person that was
43:17
consistent and then, you know, just happened
43:20
to have a bad night, you know? Yeah, but it was
43:22
voted on by the audience. It wasn't actually,
43:24
it was voted by the audience. Like, there was...
43:27
So the audience is okay. Yeah, I can see that
43:29
and so Yeah But yeah bombing is like the first
43:35
time that I bombed I still have nightmares of
43:38
I Had gone for like three or four times and I
43:41
had gotten some good laughs and I was like, okay
43:43
Hey, I'm this is going and then I went up and
43:45
just for whatever reason that now you remember
43:48
what the joke was I'm curious to see what the
43:50
joke was. What I don't even remember what the
43:52
jokes were. I just remember looking out to the
43:55
audience Blank faces and all I could hear was
43:59
in the background was the bartender making a
44:02
drink Like that and now when I go to a bar and
44:06
I hear them making drinks I saw almost like I
44:08
have PTSD I remember I go back to that moment
44:10
of seeing all those blank faces. It's But it's
44:14
dramatic. It's dramatic and and well the funny
44:17
part too is that the next morning when I woke
44:19
up like oh I'm horrible and I stuff I use those
44:21
six questions that we talked about earlier to
44:23
get back To get back, that was a fun moment.
44:27
But yeah, the ability to bomb, I think that guy's
44:29
gonna come out fine. I think it was the right
44:32
vote. Had he won, I think it would have been
44:36
more based on his previous experience, his previous
44:39
comedy, which would have been fine. But the guy
44:42
who won brought a little bit more on that last
44:45
episode. But I think, you know, comedy is hard.
44:50
That's the part that's just hard about comedy.
44:52
You can be really funny and just not click with
44:56
the audience in some way. And I think that is
44:59
one reason I say like, I tell everyone that you
45:01
should try it. Go to your local stand -up comedy
45:05
night. and just find a place where you go in
45:08
and you're like, you know what, after you hear
45:10
a bunch of jokes, you're like, you know what,
45:11
I may not be the very best, but I wouldn't be
45:13
the worst. And so you just, if you're like, I
45:15
think I could be a little bit in the middle,
45:17
give it a try because it is, it is an amazing
45:20
experience when you get a laugh and then in the
45:22
ability to keep going and working on it. It's,
45:25
it's a great, great art form to at least try
45:27
once. I agree. I agree. I mean, I think the foundation
45:32
of getting into stand -up comedy should be, okay,
45:35
I think I'm funny and I have a certain comfort
45:42
or a certain desire to speak in front of the
45:45
public with my funny train of thought or my funny
45:47
point of view. And I think as long as you have
45:49
those two foundational principles, so to speak,
45:52
fuck if you have a bad night or if you're bombed
45:55
terribly with six jokes in a row, like bombing...
45:58
could be a cause of anything. It could just be,
46:00
oh, you need to polish that joke up more. Maybe
46:02
it was too wordy, or it could just be the audience.
46:04
A lot of the times, an audience may not just
46:07
be up for what you're giving them, but you go
46:08
to the next night and the audience is totally
46:10
up to what you're giving them. So audience energy
46:12
can play a lot into it. So yeah, I'm right there
46:15
with you. I mean, if for anybody listening and
46:18
watching that's like, oh, hey, I'm curious about
46:20
standup comedy. I want to give it a shot. Like,
46:22
yeah, do it at least once and see what happens.
46:24
I mean, you may be surprised by how much you
46:27
like it. And I know, speaking of bombing, I know
46:29
comedians who... actually get off on that. Like
46:33
they actually like enjoy like their material
46:36
and just watching a crowd not respond to it so
46:39
much. And that's a sign that like, okay, you're
46:41
going to be in this for a while. Like I'll just
46:43
give an example. Norm McDonald, uh, who was very
46:47
well known for a, um, I don't know, for, for,
46:52
for an edgy kind of comedy, especially when he
46:55
was doing weekend update on Saturday Night Live,
46:57
like there were a lot of times where he would
46:59
do the jokes and the audience wouldn't laugh.
47:02
And this would be like at dress rehearsal before
47:04
the live show. So he had the ability to change
47:07
the jokes before like broadcasting it from millions
47:10
of people, but he didn't give a shit at the heart
47:13
of it. He was just like, fuck it. If this joke
47:15
makes me laugh, I'm going to go with it. And
47:18
if If the audience is quiet, then all the more
47:21
better. It'll probably make me laugh that they're
47:22
not into it. And yeah, so I think there's just
47:25
a certain, I don't know, there's a certain bravery.
47:28
There's a certain living on the edge that I love
47:31
about stand -up comedians. If you can really
47:33
appreciate bombing, if you can really lean into
47:35
it, then it's definitely the career for you.
47:37
Yeah. And there's a whole art form of bringing
47:39
a room back. I never really developed it, but
47:41
you can see people that are like, you bombed
47:43
it, but then you're able to use that somehow
47:45
and bring it back. like, and just keep going
47:49
with it. Again, total art form. There's just
47:51
so many ways. There's just such a craft to comedy
47:55
that I, after those couple months, I just really
47:58
appreciate. So it's just, it's just awesome.
48:01
It is, it is. And I, it's, it's interesting,
48:04
like the evolution of these sort of like reality
48:06
TV competitions, because it used to be for, cause
48:09
this kind of reminds me of Last Comic Standing.
48:11
But I think like, if you watch a show like Last
48:13
Comic Standing, the prize could be, oh, Maybe
48:16
you get like a shot on a sitcom or you get a
48:19
certain amount of money as a prize. But I like
48:21
how Kevin Hart leads into the modern stand -up
48:24
comedian thing of like, well, you know, to make
48:27
it as a stand -up comedian, like it's not, it's
48:29
no longer, you know, you go on Johnny Carson's
48:31
Tonight Show. It's you get a Netflix comedy special.
48:34
It used to be even like you would get a Comedy
48:36
Central hour, but now it's like, if you get a
48:38
Netflix comedy special, that is a high mark.
48:41
That is a signal that a comedian has really gotten
48:43
somewhere. Um, and for that guy that was like
48:47
so consistently funny, but then like didn't win
48:50
because he wasn't funny on the final night. Was
48:53
it a he or she? I'm sorry. It was a he. And I'll
48:55
be clear. He was funny. Just Not as funny. Yeah,
48:58
not funny enough on the and the part two that
49:01
I really love that they talk about in those and
49:04
then like I'm reading Bob Odenkirk of you know,
49:07
like Better Call Sal. I'm reading, I just finished
49:09
up reading his book and I read Steve Martin's
49:12
book and previously I had read Robin Williams
49:15
book. Yeah, same. the amount of work that they
49:19
have put into their craft before they even get
49:22
like Steve Martin who had been on Johnny Carson
49:25
like he said he'd been on Johnny Carson six times
49:28
before anyone even knew who he was like he had
49:30
gone that far and so just the work that they
49:33
put into a day after day after day the guy who
49:36
won he said he had lived in a van from 2015 to
49:40
2022 something like that he lived in a van traveling
49:43
around so that he could do comedy and not yeah
49:45
not deal with bills and like The commitment that
49:47
it takes to be good is just remarkable. And again,
49:52
their commitment to their craft is really, really
49:54
awesome. Awesome, yeah. And I'm sure that person
49:57
who won is going to go very far with their career,
50:00
even the person that almost was going to win.
50:03
But it sounds like that audience is kind of like
50:05
the Apollo Theater audience, where it's like,
50:07
no, if you're not making us laugh tonight...
50:09
We don't care about your record. But no, I mean,
50:14
for that runner up, so to speak, I mean, there's
50:17
countless examples of people who didn't win the
50:19
competition who have gone on to great success.
50:21
I mean, you take a look at American Idol and
50:23
people like Jennifer Hudson, who was like maybe
50:25
third, fourth, fifth place. And she's got a bigger
50:29
career than Fantasia, the one who won that season.
50:32
I'm definitely not worried about that runner
50:34
up as well. Yeah, Bob Odenkirk, yeah, he's a
50:37
great guy. I gotta read his book because I feel
50:40
like there's a certain division in his audience.
50:42
There's maybe people that primarily know him
50:44
from Better Call Saul, and then there's people
50:46
like myself where it's like, okay, yeah, he's
50:48
from Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, but he's
50:50
also a guy with this tremendous comedy background.
50:55
I think he wrote on Mr. Show, this really groundbreaking
50:58
comedy show on HBO back in the day. Yeah, he
51:01
was one of the creators of it. He also wrote
51:03
for Saturday Night Live, and he admits that he
51:06
just wasn't. And Gordon O 'Brien too. Yeah, he
51:08
didn't work. He just has this amazing story.
51:12
The amount of work that he put into... He's like,
51:16
oh yeah, I did a one -man show for a run on Saturday
51:21
nights. He just made things happen way before
51:25
anybody knew who he was. and how close he was
51:29
to not doing Breaking Bad and not doing Better
51:33
Call Sal. He was so close to not doing those
51:36
throws, but he got those breaks. Yeah, his book
51:39
was really interesting because you just hear
51:42
just the grinding and that idea of doing comedy
51:45
for himself and what he thought was funny, even
51:48
when lots of people didn't think it was funny.
51:51
Now I wondered like did he almost not get Breaking
51:53
Bad and Better Call Saul because he thought okay.
51:55
I'm the comedy guy There's no way I can move
51:57
into being like the drama guy like yeah I think
52:00
the way it's right bit like Breaking Bad It was
52:03
like it was just gonna be like this small episode
52:05
so he and he didn't know if he was gonna get
52:07
renewed for another show I think is what it was
52:09
so there was like right like I don't know but
52:11
his his His I think his writing partner at the
52:16
time had seen break because he got cast after
52:19
Breaking Bad had started. And he got brought
52:23
in in like the third or fourth season, I think
52:25
it was. And when he went to his friend and he
52:30
was like, you know, I got this thing, I don't
52:31
know about doing it. And he's like, oh, you have
52:33
to do it because it's the best show on television.
52:35
Like his friend knew it. And so that went. And
52:37
then he... his kids, he's a dad and he takes
52:43
being a dad seriously and when he thought about
52:47
doing Better Call Saul, he was like, I can't
52:53
spend that much time away from my kids. And his
52:56
kids actually said, you know what, dad, you have
52:58
to go do this. We got it. You've done enough
53:02
work for us. They were like teenagers, I think.
53:05
We got this. You go do that. We'll make it work.
53:09
Because he had turned it down. And then his kids
53:11
were like, no, you should do this. And then he
53:17
goes into like how he did Mr. Mr. Nobody, you
53:20
know, the first the first one is just so good.
53:22
I didn't love the second one, but the first one
53:23
was great. And he just talked about how he he
53:26
was like, I want to be this. He just he just
53:30
recognized like that was something new and different
53:32
for him and all the work that he put into the
53:34
fight scenes and whatnot. He's just it's just
53:37
a great. His book is really good. It's called
53:39
Comedy Comedy Comedy Drama. I think is awesome.
53:42
Yeah, it's so great that his. kids encourage
53:46
him to do Better Call Saul, because I think arguably
53:49
that kind of led him to where he is right now
53:52
with appearing in an action movie. Like you look
53:55
at comedy Bob Odenkirk from back in the day,
53:57
you would never imagine that. Oh my God, this
53:58
is going to be an action movie lead. I haven't
54:02
seen the Mr. Nobody movies. Is that essentially
54:04
the genre? Yeah, the Mr. Nobody, the first one
54:07
is really good. It's like, it's just so surprising.
54:10
It's so different. He plays such this dry character
54:13
and with this background of you know something
54:15
bad happens to him and then that triggers this
54:17
whole level of vengeance and but it's done it's
54:21
done really well. The Mr. Nobody 2 I think got
54:25
a little bit too much into that and so I think
54:27
they lost their way a little bit but the Nobody
54:30
1 is really good. I love that. What is a delicious
54:36
thing that's happened in your life lately something
54:38
positive anything that's happened in your world
54:40
Yeah, a couple weekends ago. I ran a 10k. I Another
54:44
resolution I sent I I put gave for myself is
54:47
to always be training for an event this year
54:49
because I do better when I you know, I'm more
54:51
active when I'm training for something and and
54:54
so I signed up for a 10k here in Reno and The
54:59
other part it was that my dad came out and he
55:01
walked the 5k and I hadn't seen my dad in quite
55:04
a few years And so it was just this really great
55:06
kind of family experience of us doing this event
55:09
together So I have to ask because I'm not very
55:12
well versed in marathon terminology So when people
55:15
say like oh, I'm gonna run a 10k walk a 10k run
55:19
a 5k Are we talking like 5 ,000 miles 10 ,000
55:23
miles or 10 ,000 feet? Like what are we talking
55:25
about when we say 5k? Yeah, so 10k is a 10 kilometer
55:28
run, which is 6 .2 miles is the final thing.
55:34
Yeah, it's kind of funny, like the event, you'll
55:36
generally have like a 5k, a 10k, and then a half
55:40
marathon, which is 13 .2 miles. And so it's just
55:46
funny to go from kilometers, it's very well -known
55:49
kilometers, and then... We're going two miles
55:51
that makes this jump when you go to a half marathon
55:53
and a full marathon. This is your first marathon
55:55
or are you well versed in this? Have you done
55:57
this? I've done a few marathons and I do it I
56:00
haven't run an event in a while is the first
56:02
time I've done in a race in a while and a 10k
56:04
is in the running world is not like a very long
56:06
race at all, but it was good for me to kind of
56:08
get started and now I'm looking at doing a Longer
56:11
race later later this year. And so but it was
56:15
I just find signing up for an event for me just
56:18
gives you this thing to work towards. And it
56:21
was great because my dad was like, Hey, I'm going
56:22
to come out. And so he came out and walked the
56:25
5k, which was a big disease. He's, he's had some
56:30
leg problems, but it was just a really great
56:31
event for us to do together. And it was one of
56:33
those things I didn't, I didn't know how much
56:35
fun I would have once when he said, Hey, I'm
56:38
going to come out. I didn't appreciate how much
56:41
fun it would be for us both of us. We did it
56:44
and it turned out to be really great. How did
56:45
you feel at the end of it? Like what? Did you
56:48
feel like it was a satisfactory thing and it
56:50
was a little bit of like a little I was like,
56:53
okay I did that but I'm like, you know, I could
56:55
have trained harder for it that there was a there's
56:58
I'm not a fast runner I think I ran like a 12
57:01
-minute mile and I'm like, you know, I think
57:04
if I trained a little harder I could have gotten
57:06
that down to under 11, which would have been
57:08
good for me What training did you do? Well, what
57:12
training did you do and also like what? What
57:15
do you think would have been a more recommended
57:17
training process and and how long? My running
57:23
would have been good. I probably could have eaten
57:24
better. Honestly, that probably would have been
57:25
a Better component and I did all my running by
57:29
myself. I think this next time I train for event
57:32
I'll try to find a running club to to run with
57:35
to just make it a little more fun a little more
57:37
interesting and I did a little bit of this like
57:42
putting in sprint work and I think I could have
57:44
done more of that I think that would make it
57:46
more interesting for me and just help me get
57:49
my body moving faster because I think there's
57:51
something about Just running hard for a short
57:53
period of time. That is just really good for
57:56
you. So I think a little more variety a little
57:58
more Eating better for sure and then bringing
58:02
in some community aspects would would have been
58:04
some things that help but I did it You know,
58:07
there's lots of people that didn't wake up and
58:08
run a 10k So I'm give myself a little a little
58:11
grace a little pat on the back and you know go
58:13
on to do something next Tell me more about the
58:15
food because I thought like for a marathon so
58:17
to prepare you just eat a bunch of carbs But
58:19
you're saying that it's more specified in terms
58:22
of what you should yeah Well nowadays, you know,
58:24
there's high protein. There's more protein and
58:26
there's there's a there is a carb level But it's
58:27
good carbs instead of you know, you know rather
58:30
pizzas and stuff and then being consistent I
58:32
think that that's the main part over time. I
58:34
think if you think about whatever whatever meal
58:38
plan that you want to have is you figure it out
58:41
either, you know getting help from you know,
58:44
chat GBT or a program or a doctor and and then
58:47
you can stick with it. I think that's the That
58:51
that's what makes a difference because then because
58:53
you're not ever going to you can run, you know
58:55
You can run for five miles and that that will
58:57
burn off. I don't know 500 to a thousand calories
58:59
and you have three or four slices of pizza and
59:03
that, you know, you equal that out really quick.
59:05
And so you want to have a plan and I just focused
59:09
on the running and so this next time I'll start
59:11
focusing more on the food. Well, what did you
59:13
eat and what did you wish you would have eaten?
59:16
I should have eaten more protein, especially
59:19
the earlier, just a little more protein because
59:21
that helps build up muscle and negates the hunger
59:26
urges. Right. You know, but honestly, it's a
59:28
bit tough that just the price of everything these
59:30
days is a little bit challenging. And so just
59:33
want to honoring that. The foods that you should
59:36
eat are more expensive. They're more expensive.
59:38
Yeah. Yeah. But there's a way to figure out how
59:43
to do it. And so that's kind of like the next
59:45
step. But I think I think everyone should try
59:47
to try to run a race. It's really good. I tell
59:50
everyone to put your name in the New York City
59:52
Marathon like it's a lottery. Put your name into
59:55
it. It doesn't matter if you run a marathon or
59:56
not. Put your name into it because it's the single
59:58
best athletic event there is because you can
1:00:02
go you go you run through New York and it's just
1:00:04
so awesome and like when I did it I wrote yo
1:00:06
Joey on my bib and so then you know I was you
1:00:09
know I'd run through the Bronx and the you know
1:00:11
Brooklyn and everyone's just like yo Joey and
1:00:13
all these different New York accents it was just
1:00:15
and and the New York Marathon like if you can
1:00:18
get into it you should absolutely do it because
1:00:20
it's it's an it is a it is a once in a lifetime
1:00:25
sort of event that you would, they just do it
1:00:27
so well and it's so much fun. I'm confused about
1:00:29
like when you get into a marathon, is there a
1:00:32
certain rule as to like what part of it can be
1:00:34
walking? What part of it can be jogging? What
1:00:36
part of it can be running? Like what's that all
1:00:38
like? There's people in every size, shape, age,
1:00:44
race, creed, running, walking, crawling, like
1:00:47
they do all sorts, whatever it is. You generally
1:00:50
find your rhythm with people and so the people
1:00:54
that at least they usually line it up like say
1:00:57
like say hey if you run this you know if you're
1:00:59
gonna be running this pace or you're a pro you're
1:01:02
at the front if you're running a slower pace
1:01:04
you kind of label it out and then within the
1:01:07
first three or four or five miles you kind of
1:01:09
have sorted out and you're with people that are
1:01:12
about the same speed as you. And you go and then
1:01:14
if you, you know, if you have to walk, you pull
1:01:17
off, you know, you just kind of move over to
1:01:19
the side and you walk and there's lots of people
1:01:21
who walk different events. There's a guy, Jeff
1:01:24
Galloway, who's like, look, he ran a really fast,
1:01:27
he runs really fast marathons and he trains people
1:01:29
on a run walk protocol. So there's all sorts
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of ways to do a marathon. I love that. Well,
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I'm so glad that the marathon meant something
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to you enough for you to mention it here. And
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thank you so much for your time. I know I kept
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you a little over an hour, so I apologize, but
1:01:44
this was a great conversation. Joey Chandler,
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how can people find you if they want to keep
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in touch with what you do, what you're about?
1:01:50
Give us all the website and socials. Yeah, so
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certaingrowth .com is my business website. And
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I am at Joey Chandler 70 on TikTok, Facebook,
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LinkedIn, YouTube. I love that. All right. And
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so much for being on the show. And for those
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