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Coaching Carousel Report Card: Grading Every Power 4 Hire · The Extra Point

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  What's up y'all? You're listening to the extra
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  point college football podcast. I'm your host Jacob Carnes,
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  joined as always by my Co host Daniel Hammock.
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  Daniel, we have or deep into the offseason at this point where
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  the good news is we're only a few weeks away from spring ball.
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  But today we're going to recap the coaching carousel.
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  I think, I think things have finally settled down.
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  I don't think we're getting to get anymore firings or hirings
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  after this point. So we're going to grade every
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  power for coaching change, starting with the SEC, which had
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  the most openings this offseason, or go into the Big 10
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  and then the ACC in the Big 12. After that, all the power for
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  coaching changes, we'll put a letter grade on all of them.
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  And Daniel, I want to start with, I think this my default
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  answer is just I'm going to steal time for it's AC plus and
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  I hope it works out or he says, yeah, I think it's a great hire.
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  I have no idea if it will work out.
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  I feel like it's how all these coaching changes are.
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  I think it's fair, especially if you don't know much about the
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  guy or, you know, it doesn't seem, you know, there's a couple
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  of them that that's how I feel. It's like, you know, I'm not mad
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  at them for making this decision, but I have no idea.
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  There's no science to this. So this is our opinion and
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  people love to put letter grades on stuff.
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  So we're this is this is what we think of the hires given the
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  information we have. But again, if there if there is
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  a science to this, a lot more schools would nail coaching
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  changes and we wouldn't have as many every offseason.
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  Some people call me a science deniers, so there's that.
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  We'll see. See how deep we get in this?
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  All right, Daniel, SEC, we got to start with LSULSU hires Lane
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  Kiffin. He was definitely the hottest
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  name on on every big jobs board this offseason or this football
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  season since it was in season when, when whenever he took that
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  job. But for LSU, Lane Kiffin, what
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  grade are you giving to LSU? Yeah, this one to me, I mean, I
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  it, it's an A like you can't, you know, I mean, if we're doing
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  pluses, I like an A+ on this one.
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  I think this is as good as it gets.
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  This is where, you know, elite coach meets elite opportunity
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  and I just, you know, I can't get over it.
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  It's one of those where it is a no win situation as far as how
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  the news was going to break and how, you know, unfortunate it
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  was that it had to be him giving up the opportunity to go, you
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  know, be a coach in the playoff and all of that.
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  But like you don't do that for anything less than the job being
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  an A+ and the coach being an A+. So hand in a glove, it's easy
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  for me. I think he's going to.
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  I think he's going to. He's excelled everywhere he's
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  been really since he got really learned his lessons and stuff
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  along the way. I think ending at USC after that
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  point, he's just been constantly rising.
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  So yeah, I don't, I think he's ready and I think this is this
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  is pre one of the premier coaches and he's finally at a
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  premier destination. Yeah, this isn't A plus for me.
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  This is a home run. This is the best name on the
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  board. I think all the theatrics aside,
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  he was the best name on the board.
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  As far as the head coach that could go somewhere else to a big
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  job, it was Lane Kiffin. Daniel.
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  When was the last time trivia question, when was the last time
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  Ole Miss had back-to-back to back double digit win seasons?
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  Never. Never.
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  And I think that got lost in all of this is, hey, Lane Kiffin had
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  back-to-back to back double digit win seasons at Ole Miss.
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  That's never been done. And I think the theatrics of the
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  end of it and the drama at the end of it kind of tainted that
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  of Lynn Kiffins. This bad guy.
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  He's a damn good football coach. I'll tell you that much.
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  And I know Ole Miss is, you know, we'll, we'll talk Ole Miss
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  next and they got their guy, but he is he's an A plus.
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  I agree with you. I think that's what if you're,
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  if you're LSU, you couldn't have hoped for better than hiring the
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  coach who just did the best he's ever done at an SEC program,
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  like the best they've ever done. He reached their ceiling as far
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  as Ole Miss and now you get to take him from an from a rival
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  and plant him in a job that now the expectations are through the
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  roof. So now you now the whole like,
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  can Kiffin win the title? Valid because there's no reason
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  you shouldn't be able to at LSU other than, you know, other
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  teams are trying to do that too. So easier said than done, but a
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  plus for me for Kiffin. So I I agree with you there.
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  We'll go to Ole Miss where Lane Kiffin left, they promote their
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  defensive coordinator and Pete Golding and Pete Golding coaches
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  the playoff wins a couple of games.
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  They get to a semi final under Pete Golding.
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  I think that that realm was special for Ole Miss fans to to
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  have Golden kind of turned down that I'm not going to get LSU
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  with you and I'm going to stay here and the defensive staff is
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  going to stay here. Now that we're now that we're
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  through all that. Daniel, what do you give Pete?
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  Ole Miss is hiring of Pete Golding.
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  Yeah, interesting when you get a higher and then you actually
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  have some tape to to grind and look at him.
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  He's a first time head coach, but not anymore now that we've
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  seen him a couple times. And it's funny, if you would
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  have asked me right after the higher versus right now, I think
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  my grade is different. Which is it fair?
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  Is it not? You know, whatever we get the
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  opportunity to do this. So it's really a cool, you know,
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  story because it didn't realize that he had grown up being like
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  a Mississippi guy and all of that kind of stuff.
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  I just obviously knew basically when he entered my, you know,
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  lexicon of SEC knowledge, he was Alabama's defensive coordinator.
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  And then basically he took a walk with Saban down the hallway
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  and Saban promoted him to rival. He said, hey, you need to go
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  take any job you can get before I because I I will be firing you
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  if that's not the case. And so anyways, he takes the Ole
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  Miss job. It kind of seems like, you know,
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  he got a pay rate, the pay raise to go over there.
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  And then the way Elaine Kiffin, you know, running guns it, you
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  know, defense is always kind of the afterthought.
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  So it's like the defense has not been necessarily this success
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  story at Ole Miss. They've had some good defenses
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  and some better than average at times, but this year was not
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  particularly special. So the fact that they were
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  promoted, it wasn't like this slam dunk initially for me.
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  I was, but I will say they made, if I could have in the moment,
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  just given a plus to the administration for making a
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  decision so quickly. I think sometimes decisiveness
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  is better than, you know, making sure you've got the right guy in
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  some cases and that that's in. They were like, this is
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  happening. We're going to we're going to
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  promote him. We're not going to lose him.
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  He's qualified. We're going to bring him in and
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  he's going to be our guy. And the fact that they acted so
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  swiftly, I think preserved their season, gave them a fighting
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  chance. And you know, after hindsight
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  more than a fighting chance and they I think they ended up on
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  the right side of this. So my long winded answer of
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  saying my grade is AB plus he was going to be AC plus for me
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  prior to it was going to be AC plus based on just the higher
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  mitigating a disaster. A plus for the administration
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  for making a quick decision, but it's already paid off for them.
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  And they had two wins in the the playoff 1A big upset win against
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  Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. So yeah, I think that there's
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  some instilled confidence in that.
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  So B plus for me, for Pete Goulding.
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  B Plus I'm going B for Pete Goulding.
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  I was like, I'm not going to be prisoner of the moment of the
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  playoff run because again, this is this is the only unique
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  situation on the list. Or they took over and we got to
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  see coaching in the postseason from the new hire, right?
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  Which makes this one interesting.
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  But it's AB for me, Daniel. I'm looking down my list at all
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  my letter grades and spoiler, I don't think I gave ABI, don't
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  think I gave anything higher than AB or AB plus to any
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  coordinator that got promoted to a head coach or got a job as a
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  head coach. Which is interesting because if
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  you think about the best head coaches in the sport right now,
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  Kirby Smart went from coordinator to this is his first
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  day coaching job. Ryan Day, this is his first head
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  coaching job. Dan Landing his first head
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  coaching job. Those are three at the top of my
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  head. Sig Nettie's not, but I gave
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  some as to head coaches that move from job to job.
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  But some of the best head coach in the sport right now were
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  coordinators and this is their first head coaching job.
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  So maybe I'll be proven wrong here.
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  But yeah, B for me, for Pete Golding, yes, I know we've seen
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  him as a head coach technically, but we got to see a full season
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  because it's not just how do you handle, you know, coaching on
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  game day. You really probably get what, 4
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  to 5 decisions a game where you make that big of an impact on
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  game day. We got to see a full season of
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  Pete Golden before. I'm just like, the playoff was a
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  success. Therefore it's an A.
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  I'm cautious because he hasn't done it.
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  So I'm going to give him AB. He's been around some premier
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  programs like you talked about. I give the administration an A,
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  like you said, for making a hire quickly.
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  I thought that was a really good point by you and really good on
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  all Miss so and with all of these, Daniel, it's AB and I
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  hope it works out. You know, I'm like, I'm rooting
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  for all of them, but I hope it works out.
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  Daniel, let's move to I think the next hottest job in the SEC
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  that opened Florida. And you know, the, when Florida
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  opened, it was, OK, here's Kiffin to Florida.
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  You know, he wears the visor because of Spurrier.
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  He loves talking trash because of Spurrier.
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  This is, I mean, at the, at the at the minimum, it's a top ten
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  job at the sport. You could argue top five job in
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  the sport. And I myself would argue it's a
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  top five job in the sport. And it's like, OK, this is
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  Kiffin. He has to go be rival to Kirby
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  Smart. You know, 2 buddies who talk
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  trash to each other in Group chats and worked for Sabin.
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  And I'm like, this is fun. And that was all prior to LSU
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  opening up, they hire John Sumrall.
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  I'll save my thoughts on this. Daniel, what's what is your
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  grade on Florida? Florida's hiring John Sumrall.
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  Yeah. I think, you know, people can
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  argue experienced head coach and things like that with a couple
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  of these guys that we've we're going to have coming up of like
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  they went from, you know, a smaller school here.
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  I mean, he was at, of course, Troy in the Tulane and he comes
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  here, He has his SCC experiences like a position coach with
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  Kentucky and Ole Miss. All that be said, I mean, it was
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  a he's a fast riser. He's, you know, a defensive guy.
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  So it's funny because I feel like any successful Florida head
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  coach has always been an offensive guy.
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  Obviously Spurrier, Urban Meyer, you know, and most recently
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  their most successful recent one is Dan Mullen and he was an
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  offensive guy. So, you know, I, I the, you
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  know, they had the year with Will Muschamp where he was great
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  and then things weren't great. Yeah.
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  So I I don't, I hate to put it all in the box of like he's a,
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  you know, branded as a defensive guy.
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  I don't know how it's going to go.
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  Don't think it's a bad hire. They big Boyd Auburn for him.
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  So it was, you know, LSU took, you know, Kiffin from Florida,
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  Ole Miss, but Florida was hoping to get him.
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  LSU said no, he's ours. Florida, of course, to John
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  Summerall from Auburn. We thought that was going to
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  happen. So, you know, it feels like they
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  stole their guy. But it's a wait and see.
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  It's definitely I'm so I'm going, I'm going, I'm going C
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  plus and we're going to wait and see.
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  I don't think it's a bad hire, but yeah, it's you're not going
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  to a situation that you can just, you know, Turner, you play
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  Georgia every single year and you know, you're going to be
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  swimming in deep waters right away.
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  So there's no, there's less. I feel like if you come as a
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  coordinator to a head coach, you have a little bit more of a
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  leash. But when you come as a head
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  coach to a head coach, there's like a we kind of expect to win
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  right away. And Florida's very impatient.
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  So I could see, we'll see. But I'm C plus for John Sumrall
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  for me. What say you?
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  I went AI went A and it's funny because I gave Lane Kiffin an A+
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  and you know, if somebody's in a baseball tournament, I would
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  have said home run this one. I'm calling a double because you
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  missed out on the Kiffin, which was, I mean, they were very open
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  and that was the number one target.
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  But then when they kind of realized it wasn't going to be
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  them, they they quickly moved on.
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  And we said on this podcast, Daniel, I said, Hey, Florida,
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  don't not think the room here. I'm like, I'm like,
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  unfortunately, the people that make these decisions are often
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  illogical. And the illogical thought would
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  have been, well, we just hired the G5 coach from Louisiana.
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  So we can't do that again because it won't work.
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  I'm like focus on who's the best coach you can hire.
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  And I really do think John Summerall was the best head
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  coach you could hire. Like you mentioned, he was a
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  very fast rising star. When he was at Troy, people
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  around the SEC were saying this guy will be an SEC head coach.
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  He's at he he won double digit games and three out of his Four
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  Seasons as a head coach so far. Of course, last year early in
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  the season when Ole Miss played Tulane the first time, Lane
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  Kiffin said this guy will be a head coach in the SEC next year.
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  And people were like at Ole Miss because are you going to be
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  gone? And he lays the Florida job.
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  So I, I, I'm giving a lot of credit to Florida for not doing
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  the stupid thing and saying we're not going to hire the G5
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  coach from Louisiana. Because I do think he was one of
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  the best candidates on the board.
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  I mean, to me, if you're, when we did our big board, he was #2
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  behind Lee Kiffin for me for Florida.
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  And therefore I think it was a no brainer decision.
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  And I'm, I'm giving him an, a Daniel.
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  I I think he's a really good football coach.
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  Again, you know, if you think about the stereotypical SEC
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  coach, like he checks all those boxes as far as he's from the
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  South and was a good recruiter and as coached at multiple SEC
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  schools and you know, it wasn't he a GA Kentucky too?
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  He was like where he started. That's where he started, yeah.
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  So and then like when he wasn't playing in the SEC's with Troy
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  and Alabama and Tula in Louisiana.
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  So still all those high school ties as a head coach and checks
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  a lot of boxes of like that stereotypical SEC coach, which I
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  think is a good thing. And I think it is a I see he's
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  quieter than building the appear as far as like he's not going to
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  have these zingers. I think he just loves football.
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  And I think if you're Florida, you probably want that right
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  now. You don't want any of the
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  branding stuff. You don't want, you know,
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  whatever money don't broke money don't spend.
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  I don't know, money scare you guys.
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  Everybody don't make money. I'm like what you just want like
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  AI mean again, if you're Florida, what what's the
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  standard? It's you want Kirby Smart if
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  you're Florida. So maybe they hope they're
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  getting that in John some role. I'm giving Florida an A for that
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  coaching hire Auburn. You know, with with Florida and
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  LSU open, I didn't think there was a chance link album was
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  going to get Lane Kiffin. They should have hired him two
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  years ago when they hired Hugh Freeze or three years ago,
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  whenever it was when they had the chance.
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  They fire Hugh Freeze, hire Alex Golish.
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  What do you give this hire, Daniel?
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  Some people are saying he's a member of the KGB, born in
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  Moscow, of course. Some some are saying.
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  I've read some message boards. People are concerned.
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  Yeah, he's definitely moved here from the Soviet Union at one
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  point. So it is what it is.
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  But yeah, he is he a spy? We don't know.
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  He's not been convicted of espionage to my knowledge.
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  He also didn't coach at Western Michigan with What's his name
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  from? Gosh, Connor.
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  Stallions, thank you. Thank you to myself.
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  Yeah. He, he is not the typical, you
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  know, took the SEC route similar to what John Summerall did, like
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  you're mentioning. He's, you know, very much a
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  Midwestern guy. Ohio State, you know, Toledo,
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  IL, that's in his background. Iowa State.
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  And then he ends up at UCF and then comes up basically on the
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  scene at Tennessee as their offensive coordinator.
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  And that's his only tie so far to the SEC goes down.
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  And he's got some experience now at South Florida, but I feel
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  like it's it's a little bit of a mixed bag.
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  He got a lot of credit this past year for what happened there.
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  He beat up on some SEC teams, which was impressive and then
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  lands this Auburn job. He's got some guys transferring
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  to Auburn. I'm I like I feel like I like
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  the hire in the context of what they've had to go through
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  recently. I just don't know if it's going
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  to be like they had the fire hue freeze.
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  But I just don't know if it's going to be an improvement.
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  And that's what worries me. So I I'm sticking with AC plus
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  I'll go see because I'll, I'll differentiate from John
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  Summerall. John Summerall's something that
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  I think is an improvement from Billy Napier.
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  I'll say see, because I don't know.
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  He could be a star. I don't know.
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  I don't know that they got better.
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  So give me AC for Alex Golesh. What do you say, Jacob?
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  I'm I'm going to go with you. I put B to C, another fast riser
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  again like it's it's hard for him.
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  He needed to go to USF because when when you're with someone
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  like Hypo, who it's like, oh, it's Hypo's offense.
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  It's almost like being Kirby Schmartz defensive coordinator,
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  although two of those have become head coaches immediately.
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  So maybe not. But you know, Charlie Weis,
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  junior at Ole Miss and LSU, like whoever sharks off at the
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  coordinator is, he calls plays. You know, whoever Lincoln
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  rallies off at the coordinator is, I don't know.
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  It's like when you're with those.
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  Coaches. Same thing with and.
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  When you're when you're with those coaches, it's like, OK,
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  well, whose offense is it? Because you know, obviously this
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  is the hypo offense. So good for him on getting the
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  USF job and like, Hey, it's a major media market.
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  You you know, you're probably one win from the playoff this
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  past year where you would they would have gone to the American
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  Conference championship and one I mean, look, as a head coach,
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  he's 23 and 15. Yes, he has SEC experience.
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  I'm going C you know, I put B at 1st and I was like, I think I'm
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  leaning CI think it's just if you're Auburn is a single and I
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  love what you said. I almost did this for all of
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  them of did you upgrade? And I'm really not sure if you
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  upgraded if you're Auburn. I just don't know.
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  I don't know. And I'm with you had to you had
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  to fire if you freeze. But as with any coach, every
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  coaching change is a risk. And LSUI feel pretty confident
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  they upgraded from Brian Kelly to Lane Kiffin.
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  And I'm saying that, saying that, and I know I I was I was
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  very adamant that I thought Brian Kelly would work at LSU
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  and he just didn't Ole Miss. I don't know if they again, I
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  gave him AB, but I don't you know, I mean, I think they
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  downgraded from lane Kevin to be Goulding.
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  I'm. Yeah.
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  And again. But yeah, that head coach didn't
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  get fired. He left for a better job.
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  Right, it's a different situation.
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  Auburn, Yeah. I just, I don't know if you
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  upgraded from Hugh Freeze and you had to fire him.
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  I agree. Don't know if it's upgrade.
• 18:52
  I think it's really good point from you.
• 18:53
  So I'm with you on the C I'm right there with you, You and I
• 18:56
  same thinking there all. Right.
• 18:59
  I feel better now because Florida, we were so far apart.
• 19:02
  At least we're. Close.
• 19:02
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:03
  So that's OK. You know, we got to have some
• 19:06
  disagreement, all right, Daniel. Arkansas, right.
• 19:10
  You know, they fire Sam Pitman. Great start for Sam Pitman.
• 19:14
  Culture fit. Only job he wanted.
• 19:16
  It just didn't work. They hire Ryan Silverfield, the
• 19:21
  Memphis head coach. What letter grade do you give
• 19:24
  Arkansas? Yeah.
• 19:26
  Is the saying is it DS get degrees like you're still
• 19:29
  passing if you get AD This one very much so.
• 19:33
  I did use that lens to a certain extent.
• 19:36
  If you fired your head coach and you hired another coach, did you
• 19:40
  improve? I don't think that they did.
• 19:43
  I think it's also a was there meat left on the bone?
• 19:48
  Like could you have either extended another year with your
• 19:51
  guy? Was it absolutely necessary that
• 19:53
  you fired and or is your job better than what you settled
• 19:58
  for? Could you have hired somebody
• 20:00
  better? Because some people like Auburn
• 20:03
  and Florida, I think to a certain extent they're the
• 20:06
  programs are good, but like in the context of everything, they
• 20:10
  hired the best possible guy they could get.
• 20:12
  It just is what it is. To a certain extent.
• 20:15
  Arkansas Ryan Silverfield, I think if you hired him last
• 20:19
  year, would have been a really good hire this year.
• 20:24
  Obviously, Memphis beats Arkansas, so maybe that was in
• 20:27
  the minds of the administration and the search committee or
• 20:30
  whoever made the decision. But Memphis was like happy to
• 20:33
  have him go, you know, he's he's from the, you know, he's one of
• 20:38
  these Memphis coaches. That's not he's one of the few
• 20:41
  Memphis coaches that I feel like is not trending upwards in his
• 20:46
  next his next role. You know, Mike Norville, it was
• 20:49
  his right hand man, his offensive coordinator at the
• 20:53
  time. He's offensive line coach.
• 20:54
  There was talk about him trying to bring him to floor state with
• 20:56
  him and he's like, no, we're going to stay at Memphis.
• 20:59
  He's been OK there anyways. I think Arkansas did them a
• 21:02
  solid by taking him off their hands and I would give this one
• 21:06
  Adi think they downgraded they could have done better.
• 21:11
  Maybe they couldn't have his. It's a tough sell to be the
• 21:14
  bottom half of the SEC every year.
• 21:16
  But you got SEC money and he just gave a promotion to a guy
• 21:20
  that was probably going to get fired if he gave gave him
• 21:22
  another year. So it's AD for me with Arkansas.
• 21:25
  What about you, Jacob? Are we allowed to give an?
• 21:30
  FI think so. I just felt harsh giving the
• 21:31
  first F. Are you giving an F?
• 21:34
  So I'll go deal with you. OK.
• 21:36
  I'm also at AD Here's what here's what else is factoring
• 21:39
  into this because you, you made a good point.
• 21:41
  I pulled up some quotes from Hunter.
• 21:42
  Your your check their athletic director.
• 21:45
  He said our head coach compensation, our assistant
• 21:48
  coach salary pool, our support staff salary pool and our
• 21:51
  overall operating budget ranks towards the bottom of the SECI.
• 21:55
  Think with that information, Coach Pittman did not have the
• 21:57
  resources he needed to appropriately compete in this
• 22:01
  conference right now. And they said that at the offset
• 22:05
  of firing him and on the inside of like, hey, we're going to
• 22:07
  increase that with the new head coach coming in.
• 22:09
  Like we we know we were at fault there.
• 22:11
  I don't know that they upgraded from Sam Pittman.
• 22:13
  They're spending way more in basketball than they are in
• 22:15
  football. And that's a decision you have
• 22:16
  to make. And that's fine if that's where
• 22:18
  you want to live. But I'm with you on that.
• 22:21
  His numbers at Memphis are not impressive of these G5 coaches.
• 22:24
  They got hired. His name, Daniel.
• 22:26
  I did not know who he was until he made some comments in the
• 22:29
  middle of the season last year about another head coach.
• 22:32
  Yeah, he was not remotely on my radar.
• 22:34
  And I think here's where I'm leading.
• 22:36
  F and I'll go D still. But is you're an SEC job.
• 22:40
  And the head coach that you wanted and that I thought was
• 22:43
  the best fit went to Oklahoma State, which we're gonna go
• 22:46
  there like you at Oklahoma State, go and get a coach that
• 22:51
  you could have gotten. Virginia Tech got a coach that
• 22:53
  you could have gotten. So it kind of tells you where
• 22:55
  Arkansas is right now as far as a job goes.
• 22:58
  But still don't love the hire. And this is the one that if if I
• 23:01
  had to look at these questions later, but if I had to bet on
• 23:04
  one that I think won't work out that I'm most confident in given
• 23:07
  the whole situation to Daniel because I also think Arkansas is
• 23:10
  a hard place to win. But if Ryan Silverfield was
• 23:13
  going, you know, and he had two double digit win seasons, but
• 23:17
  6-8 and three six and 6-7 and 6:10 and 3:11 and 2:00 eight and
• 23:21
  four at Memphis, Like what are his best years at Arkansas gonna
• 23:24
  be? I just I wonder that.
• 23:26
  So I'm going to be with you. I think that's a that's a tough
• 23:29
  place to win. It's a tough job.
• 23:31
  I'm going D let's go to Kentucky.
• 23:35
  I mean, how crazy is it, Daniel, that what we're three years
• 23:39
  removed from, you know, we had Shiano Sunday.
• 23:41
  I don't know what you call Mark Stoops Saturday or whatever day
• 23:44
  it was, but Mark Stoops is going to take the Texas A&M job and
• 23:48
  the fans revolt and there's a mutiny and now he's no longer
• 23:52
  going to take the Texas A&M job and then now he's fired from
• 23:55
  Kentucky. Daniel, he people said he had
• 23:57
  the best job in the SEC. He gets a contract extension
• 24:00
  every time he wins seven games, which again, hats off to
• 24:02
  Kentucky for realizing their place in the SEC.
• 24:05
  He was a beacon of consistency. I still question firing him
• 24:09
  because I just don't know what you want if you're Kentucky, but
• 24:11
  they hire Will Stein. What do you give this, you know,
• 24:14
  beyond the firing, what do you give this grade to Kentucky for
• 24:17
  hiring Will Stein? Yeah, I it's one of these things
• 24:20
  of it's tough to say that you improved when you fire the best
• 24:27
  coach in Kentucky history. I don't know, Bear Bryant was
• 24:29
  their coach at one point. Mike Mitch was their coach at
• 24:32
  one point. Those are better coaches.
• 24:34
  But like in Kentucky history, you know, Stoops was very, you
• 24:38
  know, very good. And I think, you know, he had a
• 24:41
  couple of those years really pre COVID, he was a lot of, you
• 24:46
  know, that was 1718 and 19. He had pretty good seasons.
• 24:51
  Those 3 back-to-back years really doing a lot with less.
• 24:56
  And then it kind of became, we're going to give you some
• 24:58
  more resources and then, you know, things kind of soured, I
• 25:01
  think overall, but it was still one of these things that felt
• 25:05
  like a safe job for the most part.
• 25:08
  Just don't stick your neck out too far.
• 25:10
  And then I think they, they just got to a place where they just
• 25:14
  needed, you know, just a fresh, fresh take.
• 25:18
  And as far as that, you know, the whole decision goes, I'm I
• 25:22
  or Will Stein. I don't think Steen Stein, I
• 25:25
  think it's Stein. It seems like he's a good move.
• 25:31
  You kind of go to an unknown guy who was a coordinator.
• 25:34
  This is the kind of place and you know, maybe I'm judging
• 25:37
  unfairly, but this is the kind of place where I think it's good
• 25:40
  to go from a coordinator to a head coach.
• 25:42
  You don't want to go, if you go get a guy who's like a BS, you
• 25:47
  know, like a just another G5 or G6A head coach and you bring him
• 25:51
  in and he's probably using you as a stepping stone, but you're
• 25:55
  getting a a coordinator from a really good team with Oregon for
• 25:58
  the past three years. He's at UTSA before that and
• 26:02
  they they were successful program while he was there and
• 26:05
  they're they're a tough program and they're kind of running a
• 26:08
  gun on offense. I like it.
• 26:10
  He's a Kentucky native. So being from, you know, being
• 26:13
  born in Louisville play, you know, played at Louisville, had
• 26:16
  his to kind of cut his teeth there.
• 26:18
  I think there's something about coming home.
• 26:20
  I mean, he's not at Louisville, but it's his state.
• 26:23
  He knows it well. I think he's going to be a good
• 26:25
  recruiter and there's going to be a long leash for him.
• 26:28
  So all that to say, he's it's not a bad one.
• 26:32
  I don't feel like I did with Ryan Silverfield.
• 26:35
  I'm just going to go right down the middle with AC.
• 26:37
  This one, I think I could see this one being we could look
• 26:40
  back in three years and this being one of those that were
• 26:42
  like, wow, I didn't realize how good of a higher that was.
• 26:45
  It was kind of overlooked at the time, but I'm going to see.
• 26:48
  I'm going to be Daniel. I'm very hopeful about Will
• 26:50
  Stein. I think working with Dan Lanning
• 26:53
  and being that organ culture and landing one has shown that he
• 26:57
  can win regardless of who is like who he has as an assistant.
• 27:01
  Like he's he's had a lot of turnover churn there on staff.
• 27:05
  But again, a fast rising star. He's young.
• 27:09
  He's trying to look up his age here.
• 27:11
  He's 36. I mean, he was spent time at
• 27:15
  Texas, you know, high school coach UTSA and then Oregon for
• 27:19
  the past two years. Very fast rising star.
• 27:22
  Even some of the moves we've already seen with him, like in
• 27:25
  the portal tells me like I I think he understands what it
• 27:28
  takes to win. So I'm really curious seeing
• 27:31
  like again, coming from a top program, first tech coaching
• 27:34
  job, you get an SEC job, even though it's a lower tier SEC
• 27:37
  job. Really curious to watch what he
• 27:40
  does and I'm hopeful. So B again, I don't know the
• 27:43
  Kentucky, I don't know the Kentucky improved, but I really
• 27:47
  like the hire. Like I think if you're Kentucky,
• 27:49
  if you're looking at like what are the best candidates you can
• 27:51
  get? I think like a fast rising star
• 27:54
  at a top 4 program in the sport. They stayed in their lane very
• 27:59
  well and I think that, you know, you could, you could argue me
• 28:03
  into AB because I'm very positive on it.
• 28:05
  I just it's an unknown. So I'm at AC, but no, that's I
• 28:09
  could definitely see where you're, I mean, this is like a
• 28:13
  it's a good spot to be in for him.
• 28:16
  It's a good spot to be in for Kentucky, right?
• 28:18
  Just kind of hitting the reset button.
• 28:21
  Yeah, I think, again, I don't know if it's an upgrade, but
• 28:24
  curious to see how it goes. Because he's hungry, you know
• 28:26
  what I mean? He's not he.
• 28:28
  Has to build his brand. That's right.
• 28:31
  He has, he's unknown relatively, so he's going to have to build
• 28:34
  his brand before he could even leave and he's going to have to,
• 28:37
  he's going to have to be successful for him to go
• 28:40
  anywhere else. So, you know, Kentucky can kind
• 28:43
  of feel good about that. That's right.
• 28:45
  So I love it. OK, Daniel, that's the SEC.
• 28:48
  That was definitely the most head coach openings and
• 28:51
  honestly, what 3 of the biggest jobs in the country that opened
• 28:54
  up were all in the SEC. Let's move to where at least two
• 28:59
  of the three other ones are in the Big 10 for head coaching
• 29:02
  chain is the big dig in the Big 10.
• 29:05
  Let's start with probably the biggest job, Daniel.
• 29:07
  Let's go to Michigan. Due to circumstances beyond
• 29:10
  their control, Michigan fire Sharon Moore.
• 29:14
  We'll leave it at that. Michigan fire Sharon Moore and
• 29:17
  honestly, we knew what Sharon Moore was, Daniel.
• 29:19
  Sharon Moore is a stopgap. Sharon Moore was a let's get
• 29:23
  through these cheating allegations.
• 29:24
  We've won our title. We know we've lost Harbaugh.
• 29:27
  You're not going to upgrade from Harbaugh.
• 29:29
  The safe thing was have he was not an interim coach by title,
• 29:34
  but have an interim coach for two to four years and let's get
• 29:39
  the program back under control. Make sure these allegations and,
• 29:43
  you know, punishment aren't aren't going to be much.
• 29:46
  You know, he's the fall guy. Well, he's now gone late in the
• 29:51
  cycle. So you've missed out on all the
• 29:53
  big names. They go and they hire Kyle
• 29:57
  Whittingham after he retired from Utah.
• 30:01
  We haven't talked about this, you and I haven't, Daniel.
• 30:03
  So really curious to hear your thoughts on this.
• 30:06
  What's your letter grade on Kyle Whittingham to Michigan?
• 30:09
  So I'm actually grouping these three together, or there's four
• 30:13
  in the Big 10. But I'm sorry, UCLA, you're
• 30:15
  barely in the Big 10. So Michigan, Penn State and
• 30:18
  Michigan State, OK, these are all like, weird because they all
• 30:25
  happened later than they should have.
• 30:28
  Penn State was the first to fire their coach, and it was like one
• 30:30
  of the last ones to hire a coach.
• 30:32
  So it was like everybody turned them down.
• 30:35
  It was very public and crazy. Michigan State was like one of
• 30:39
  the last people to fire Jonathan Smith, and they're higher.
• 30:43
  So anyways, we'll get to those, But I'm wanting to everybody to
• 30:47
  know that these are groups together for me because they're
• 30:50
  all this. These are good, prestigious jobs
• 30:54
  to get in the Big 10, but they all kind of came off the beaten
• 30:59
  path. So Kyle Whittingham coming by
• 31:02
  way of we are Jake. We've been following the sport
• 31:05
  for so long. Whittingham has been in our
• 31:07
  periphery forever and we he's got a head coach in waiting for
• 31:12
  the past three years at Utah. So we're like this dude's going
• 31:16
  to retire at any moment. I guess he kind of Mack Jones
• 31:20
  this or Mack Mack Brown, Mack Jones, Mack Brown does because
• 31:25
  Mack Brown of course had Will Muschamp in waiting as his guy
• 31:29
  and then he ends up leaving and then eventually coming back.
• 31:32
  And you know, being at North Carolina, all that to say,
• 31:36
  Whittingham coming here, I guess you just can't say no to
• 31:39
  Michigan. It's a great hire.
• 31:42
  I'm actually, I'm at a minus for this one.
• 31:44
  I like this one a lot. I think stability is name of the
• 31:47
  game. Michigan is big on identity.
• 31:52
  Kyle Whittingham is all about that.
• 31:54
  You're going to come in, you're going to have a defense that's
• 31:56
  going to, you know, be sound. And everything they do, they're
• 32:00
  going to, you know, block while they're going to run the ball.
• 32:02
  It's just as a hand in the glove for me as far as like, what you
• 32:06
  think Michigan wants to be and what Kyle Whittingham wants to
• 32:09
  be. I don't know how long he's going
• 32:11
  to be there. I don't think he took this job
• 32:13
  to be there for a year and leave or anything like that.
• 32:15
  And I think if he has success, I mean, you know, when you're
• 32:18
  renewed in a new place, I think he was kind of over Utah.
• 32:22
  Not that it was sour, it's just he'd been there forever.
• 32:25
  He's got maybe a renewed sense of like starting something new.
• 32:29
  Maybe it's a four year deal, maybe it's going to be 5-6
• 32:32
  years. But he's not, I don't think a
• 32:34
  long term deal. But if he's there six years, is
• 32:37
  that not successful? So anyways, I like Kyle, Woody
• 32:40
  came, I think they're going to be successful with him.
• 32:43
  I think he's going to, especially early on, he's going
• 32:45
  to win and he's going to attract people to come there.
• 32:48
  Apparently, Daniel, I don't have personal sources on this, but
• 32:53
  the rumors are that Kyle Whittingham was forced out of
• 32:56
  Utah and that they didn't want to lose Morgan Scally.
• 33:00
  And so the whole head coach of wedding thing was kind of a
• 33:02
  school. Hey, you need to name him head
• 33:03
  coach of wedding. And OK, we thought you would
• 33:06
  retire by now and that's enough. Oh yeah, Florida State with
• 33:10
  Bowden and Jimbo Fisher. I forgot about that.
• 33:13
  And. Apparently, apparently Utah did
• 33:15
  this and so I don't think if Whittingham was not wanting to
• 33:19
  coach football anymore. And I say that as a good thing
• 33:22
  because I'm giving this hiring AI think Kyle Whittingham is a
• 33:25
  top 10 coach in the sport. But for Michigan to go from
• 33:27
  Sharon Moore to Kyle Whittingham, dare I say A+ I'm
• 33:31
  going to stay a but Daniel the like the best coach in Utah
• 33:35
  history by a lot. This was I mean again, second
• 33:38
  most 10 year coach in the sport at a school outside of Curt
• 33:42
  Ference in Iowa. And this was who Urban Meyer
• 33:44
  hand selected as his successor after he left Utah for the
• 33:47
  Florida job in 2005. Yeah, Utah won multiple, I mean,
• 33:52
  in the heat. And he dealt with them going
• 33:54
  from G5 to the PAC 12 to winning PAC 12 championships.
• 33:58
  Daniel, Michigan is only did a top 10 coach in the sport.
• 34:00
  That's how I feel about it. You know what that is an A+ when
• 34:03
  I say it like that, Daniel, that's an A+ higher.
• 34:06
  You go from Sharon Moore to a top 10 coach in the sport.
• 34:09
  A+ from me. Upgrade.
• 34:12
  Huge upgrade. Penn State fires James Franklin
• 34:19
  hires Matt Campbell. I have a lot of thoughts here
• 34:21
  Daniel. What what, what grade you given
• 34:23
  Matt Campbell to Penn State? I'll try to keep mine brief, but
• 34:27
  yeah, that as far as Penn State firing early and in hiring late
• 34:33
  is crazy to me. They took a huge roller coaster
• 34:35
  ride in the public eye it looked like for a while.
• 34:39
  James Franklin, which we'll get to 1 that, you know, divorce and
• 34:45
  then all of a sudden, Matt Campbell, like a moth to flame,
• 34:49
  man, just showing up at that Big 10 job we always expected him
• 34:52
  to. He's been rumoured for so long
• 34:55
  to be here, there and here he is.
• 34:58
  Penn State, one of the premier jobs, and I can't get enough of
• 35:01
  it, man. I think that he is both a floor
• 35:04
  razor and he's got a very, very high ceiling that we have not
• 35:09
  been able to see yet because he's been hitting his head on
• 35:11
  the ceiling at his former job. So I think we're going to find
• 35:15
  out what the ceiling truly is at Penn State because I think he's
• 35:19
  going to reach it. It's an A plus for me.
• 35:20
  Dude, this is you're going to make me increase it.
• 35:23
  I'm also going A+. Yes.
• 35:26
  From Penn State, and here's the thing, I don't know that they
• 35:29
  upgraded. Let me start there.
• 35:31
  I I don't know if there's a ceiling on Penn State.
• 35:32
  I guess they they can win a national title, but I thought
• 35:35
  they were stupid to fire James Franklin.
• 35:37
  Let me start there. But to end up hiring Matt
• 35:40
  Campbell on the back end of that after fumbling the process
• 35:44
  through the middle, like you said, first job to open last or
• 35:47
  one of the last ones to close, it's like, hey, they ended the
• 35:51
  process where they should have started, which was Matt
• 35:54
  Campbell. And here's the thing.
• 35:56
  Yes. Well said.
• 35:57
  At the end of at the end of the day, the middle stuff's not
• 36:01
  going to matter. If you have a get hired, no
• 36:03
  one's going to remember that you fired 1st and hired last because
• 36:07
  I think they landed on the right result.
• 36:10
  That's where they should have started.
• 36:11
  It's where they ended up. You get Matt Campbell and to me
• 36:14
  it's like what's best case scenario and firing James
• 36:16
  Franklin, it's hiring Matt Campbell.
• 36:18
  That's an A+ yeah, that's. I'm glad you put a plus on it.
• 36:21
  Well said. A plus for me.
• 36:25
  Big fan of this and can't wait to see what he does at Penn
• 36:27
  State. Winning his coach in Iowa State
• 36:29
  history. Again, a place where you don't
• 36:31
  win and if you look and you're like, oh, you know, lots of
• 36:34
  seven and sixes in there. This is a look, no one's cursing
• 36:38
  that in Indiana. That's we, we throw that out the
• 36:40
  window. That's I don't know if it's ever
• 36:42
  going to happen again. But he just, he's a ball coach,
• 36:45
  man. He just wins.
• 36:46
  People like to work for him. He hires.
• 36:48
  I think they're going to be good.
• 36:49
  Year one, they brought a lot of Iowa State guys with him.
• 36:52
  He had to because James Franklin took a lot of Penn State guys
• 36:54
  with him. But I think they're going to be
• 36:57
  successful quickly because of what the they've been able to
• 37:01
  do, the transfer portal. I'm hesitant.
• 37:03
  I I want I need to see it. I need to see it.
• 37:05
  That's the I was going to say, hey, patience here because he's
• 37:08
  a, he's a ball coach man. But I mean, I'll let my BIOS
• 37:11
  show. I'm rooting for him.
• 37:12
  I'm a big Matt Campbell fan. I'm rooting for him.
• 37:15
  Penn State A plus for me. This was interesting.
• 37:18
  Daniel, Michigan State, you fire Jonathan Smith, who I was a huge
• 37:23
  fan of. I was so glad they hired him.
• 37:25
  It didn't work out. Michigan State's kind of in this
• 37:29
  Arkansas. Kentucky reigns from me in
• 37:32
  basketball school. How they're being in a big
• 37:35
  school, but how much they're being outspent by other Big 10
• 37:38
  schools, I just don't know. They hire Pat Fitzgerald after
• 37:41
  his his case finally gets settled with Northwestern.
• 37:45
  That's where he last was got fired for off the field stuff.
• 37:48
  Not on the field stuff. I'm having a hard time putting a
• 37:50
  letter on this team. I will be influenced easily on
• 37:53
  this one. What are you giving Pat
• 37:54
  Fitzgerald to Michigan State? Yeah, I would say he's a good
• 37:58
  coach. You know, it was weird the
• 38:01
  ending, of course, at Northwestern, but he was very
• 38:05
  highly thought of at Northwestern.
• 38:06
  He was a buzzword of Kirk Herb St. all the time.
• 38:09
  Pat Fitzgerald, you know, you're like, all right, dude, we get
• 38:11
  it. You like him.
• 38:12
  He does that for Matt Campbell too, by the way.
• 38:14
  But Pat Fitzgerald is a good coach and I think he's a guy
• 38:18
  that like will raise the floor. So for me it's AB because I
• 38:25
  think he's better than a lot of what would have been out there
• 38:28
  for them. They had to go off the beaten
• 38:31
  path. That's what all three of these
• 38:32
  hires, to me, it's like it's out.
• 38:35
  They were all curveballs because, you know, Michigan
• 38:38
  getting Kyle Whittingham. I just thought Kyle Whittingham
• 38:40
  was on the way out by how things were described as far as I
• 38:43
  thought he was going to retire. So getting him to take a new job
• 38:47
  was crazy. Getting Matt Campbell to finally
• 38:49
  leave Iowa State when it seemed like the dust that settled and
• 38:52
  Penn State was going to hire like a, you know, FCS head coach
• 38:56
  at that point. And then Michigan State hiring a
• 38:59
  guy that had been basically, you know, blacklisted by the NCAA
• 39:05
  and the Big 10 for the past two years.
• 39:07
  It's just it, it's a guy that's just been out of out of sight,
• 39:11
  out of mind, so I just forgot about him.
• 39:14
  It's just as easy as that. So the fact that his name popped
• 39:16
  back up, I'm like, wait a second, this is weird.
• 39:18
  And you know, I'm sure he wants to get back at Northwestern and
• 39:21
  all of that. So I think he's going to be
• 39:23
  motivated. I think he wants to rebrand
• 39:25
  himself and he's a great coach. So I am going to have this as
• 39:29
  ABI think he's because of his experience, he's familiar with
• 39:34
  the conference, all that stuff. Give me just an even B for him,
• 39:38
  for Pat Fitzgerald. I will also go B, Then I put B.
• 39:43
  Dude, I could have gone AB or C to be honest with you.
• 39:46
  OK? Pat Fitzgerald is the winningest
• 39:47
  coach in Northwestern history. It sucks at an end of the way
• 39:50
  that the way it did in Northwestern because, I mean, he
• 39:52
  won like every defensive award you can win in college football
• 39:55
  as a player for Northwestern. He won two coach of the year
• 39:59
  awards. He won the Big 10 W twice, went
• 40:03
  to two Big 10 championships. Won 110 games at Northwestern.
• 40:08
  That's not easy to do. So I, I he's been out of it for
• 40:12
  three years. But my question marks with him
• 40:16
  are, I mean, college football's changed a lot in three years,
• 40:20
  Daniel. It's changed a lot.
• 40:21
  There are coaches who have done this a long time who are
• 40:23
  struggling to adapt in this new era.
• 40:27
  So that is my only hesitation with him as a football coach is
• 40:32
  and he adapt to this new era. Does the way he won before still
• 40:35
  does the way he won before still work?
• 40:37
  Because I have no doubt that he can go to a bottom feeder big
• 40:40
  team program and win some football games and upset teams
• 40:43
  and this build a stout program where they probably have guys
• 40:47
  stay for longer and not as many portal players.
• 40:50
  You know, like I it's kind of how he was at Northwestern, even
• 40:53
  though it's kind of, you know, pre portal beginning of portal
• 40:57
  ish on there when he left. But cautiously optimistic.
• 41:01
  It's kind of how to use a baseball term.
• 41:03
  I was like, you know, I put baseball term by all these two
• 41:05
  just. But I was, I was trying to
• 41:06
  figure out what we were gonna do.
• 41:08
  And I put like long fly ball dot dot, dot of like, I have no, you
• 41:12
  know, is this gonna be caught like half, you know, like when
• 41:15
  you're sitting in a baseball stadium.
• 41:17
  Yeah. And like you're sitting behind a
• 41:18
  plate in the upper deck and every fly ball looks like it
• 41:21
  could be a home run. Then they catch it like a third
• 41:23
  of the way in the outfield and you're like, Oh, well, that was
• 41:26
  I'm like, that's kind of how that feels.
• 41:27
  I'm sitting in the stands. The outfielders run towards the
• 41:30
  wall and you're like, this is carrying, is there enough?
• 41:32
  Brand that's kind of how I feel about this coaching hires.
• 41:36
  This has the potential to be a home run.
• 41:39
  It could also be like a first pitch out this don't I don't
• 41:42
  know. This is one of my biggest
• 41:44
  variables, but and with the on because he he's a good football
• 41:47
  coach, he's one at the bottom feet of the big this.
• 41:50
  Is the guy you take a chance on? Give him a shot.
• 41:52
  You know, I agree. Yep.
• 41:54
  They cleaned up the off the field stuff.
• 41:55
  There's not any of that stuff lingering.
• 41:58
  You're just looking at who can we hire to be the best football
• 42:01
  coach. I think they did a good job.
• 42:02
  I think so too. Lastly, in the Big 10, UCLA
• 42:06
  hires Bob Chesney. That's another job that opened
• 42:09
  up early. Daniel, Bob Chesney, James
• 42:11
  Madison tech coach. He goes over there.
• 42:13
  What letter grade are you giving this one?
• 42:15
  Yeah, the phenomenal hair. If I was grading the hair, it's
• 42:18
  an A+. He's definitely got that McVeigh
• 42:21
  thing going on where they're all trying to look.
• 42:23
  Really. Really handsome.
• 42:25
  So if he's going to be in Southern California, I think
• 42:27
  that gets you, you know, a good step ahead.
• 42:30
  Jacob, I didn't realize how long he had been a head coach for his
• 42:35
  head coaching record, 132 and 52.
• 42:38
  I mean, he's just now, you know, there's a lot of D2 in there.
• 42:42
  There's a lot of Holy Cross. There's a lot, you know, he's,
• 42:46
  he's putting work in. But following Kirk Signetti at
• 42:50
  James Madison, not easy. And he did it and he did a
• 42:54
  really good job while he was at at James Madison.
• 42:57
  And he's not been at a big school.
• 42:59
  So I, you know, for that I'm wondering, but also like UCLA,
• 43:05
  they've had their moments in football, but they've never
• 43:08
  been, you know, necessarily a powerhouse in football or
• 43:11
  anything like that basketball school or there there are a lot
• 43:14
  of sports school. They they play, they, you know,
• 43:16
  or have a wide variety of I feel like they are very diverse.
• 43:20
  And so it's tough to pinpoint that, but I think they hired a
• 43:23
  good football coach and they hired a guy who's done it with
• 43:27
  less talent and he's had to be really good X's and O's.
• 43:30
  YC has been really good developer and he's shown that
• 43:33
  over the course of his career. He's been a head coach since
• 43:36
  2010. So he's not walking into some
• 43:38
  scared, you know, like I don't know what I'm doing.
• 43:41
  He's not going to for, you know, I think they got a good guy.
• 43:45
  I am at A, I'm at AB minus and I I could be persuaded to a full
• 43:53
  letter, you know, to a full B, but he's definitely someone who
• 43:57
  I like. I think he's on the trend up
• 43:59
  simply just not going to know. We're going to say that about
• 44:01
  everybody, I guess, but you know, it is what it is.
• 44:04
  Give me AB minus for Bob Chesney.
• 44:10
  It's another one I'm hopeful on in that if you're UCLA, what
• 44:14
  kind of coach do you go and get? And I think this is it.
• 44:16
  And I hate to say, like, you know, I feel like a trend this
• 44:19
  year is if you look at this, Daniel, I can't tell.
• 44:23
  Do we talk about this or talk about someone else?
• 44:26
  No, the trend is OK. What's winning in college
• 44:29
  football? All right, let's go back a few
• 44:31
  years. Kirby Smarts coming off of
• 44:34
  back-to-back national titles. What is the coaching trend then?
• 44:38
  It is where are the Saban disciples?
• 44:41
  Where are the Saban coordinators or coordinators at these big
• 44:44
  schools? Like that's who needs to get
• 44:46
  these jobs. Sark gets hired.
• 44:48
  Link Haven gets hired. Like it's like the we we want to
• 44:51
  hire the next Kirby. A trend this year, and I haven't
• 44:53
  mentioned it yet, is we want the next Hurt Signetti, who's the
• 44:56
  Group of Five head coach, Yeah, who can come here and help us
• 45:00
  win anywhere and help us win in year 1.
• 45:03
  And I mean, look at look at the list we've talked about so far,
• 45:06
  Daniel, you've got John Summerall, Florida, Alex Golesh,
• 45:09
  Ryan Silverfield, Bob Chesney, UCLA, and we'll talk about a
• 45:12
  couple more of these. But that's kind of the trend is
• 45:15
  who's Arsignetti? You know, because he he's the
• 45:17
  one who just won. So I'm cautious with that in
• 45:21
  the, again, higher good football coaches.
• 45:23
  But I think Bob Chesney's a good football coach.
• 45:24
  So I'm going to go B. I'm not going to go as low as B
• 45:27
  minus. I'm pretty I put A to B Daniel,
• 45:30
  so I'm gonna go B OK, OK, I'm I'm again, I'm cautiously
• 45:34
  optimistic, not just because I want I wanted to clarify to say
• 45:37
  not just because it's like, oh, just like Signetti is the James
• 45:40
  Madison a coach. I think he's a good football
• 45:42
  coach. And I think if you're UCLA,
• 45:44
  finding a good football coach who's a ball guy and Exos guy
• 45:48
  from the G5 level is a really good move for them.
• 45:52
  And I think there's a really good chance they upgraded a head
• 45:54
  coach. That's why I had an A ceiling on
• 45:56
  it. But I'll go beat for UCLA and
• 45:58
  Bob Chesney. All right, we've covered the
• 45:59
  SEC, the Big 10. Let's move into ACC and Big 12.
• 46:04
  Let's start with Daniel. Virginia Tech hires James
• 46:08
  Franklin. This would be 1A and 1B for me,
• 46:12
  Daniel, as far as best hires of the offseason, what letter grid
• 46:16
  are you giving James Franklin to Virginia Tech?
• 46:18
  Yeah, for me, it's been a slam dunk since the start.
• 46:21
  A plus, I mean. A plus for me too.
• 46:24
  I think he was very seriously considered at a lot of other
• 46:27
  schools as well. And I think that he set his
• 46:30
  sights on really good spot to be.
• 46:32
  It is what it is. I think Virginia Tech, I think
• 46:34
  he could revive that program back to their once glory under
• 46:38
  Beamer, under Frank Beamer. And I think that, you know, he's
• 46:42
  got a very clear path in the ACC and then he got right to work,
• 46:46
  man. He got, he flipped a lot of
• 46:48
  commitments that were committed to him at Penn State.
• 46:50
  They flipped basically everybody over signing day.
• 46:53
  And then a lot of guys at Penn State just were on the way out
• 46:58
  transfer wise. They all transferred to Virginia
• 47:00
  Tech. So I think All in all, he is
• 47:01
  close to 30 players between the recruits and the transfer guys,
• 47:06
  basically an infuse of of Penn State guys.
• 47:09
  But more than that, he's just a good football coach.
• 47:11
  Everywhere he's gone, he's been successful.
• 47:14
  And for a while out, like I I mentioned earlier with Penn
• 47:18
  State, I think I was getting ready to be like, you know, Penn
• 47:21
  State basically, you know, pulled in Auburn on this when
• 47:24
  Auburn fired Gus Malzahn and they just got worse.
• 47:27
  I I think that Penn State salvage that by getting a really
• 47:30
  good hire. But yeah, I've got James
• 47:33
  Franklin is a really good hire as well as an elite hire.
• 47:36
  He's a plus for me. A plus, I think 1A1B you could
• 47:40
  argue as far as who the school is and what they got.
• 47:43
  You think you can make the argument that's the best hire of
• 47:45
  the offseason? Yeah.
• 47:47
  James Franklin and Penn State's fatal flaw was they couldn't
• 47:51
  beat Ohio State, Michigan and Oregon.
• 47:53
  And last year the bottom fell out after that.
• 47:56
  And that was why he got fired. And part of me understands it.
• 47:59
  Again, part of me looks at Penn State outside of the fact that
• 48:01
  they hired Matt Campbell and says, like, what's the ceiling?
• 48:05
  Because I think James Franklin was scraping the ceiling.
• 48:08
  And look, maybe four years from now, we look back and I'm like,
• 48:11
  man, I was so wrong. And Matt Campbell has won his
• 48:13
  second national championship, and I'm rooting for that.
• 48:17
  This is an A+ plus. This might be my favorite hire
• 48:21
  of the offseason. He gets to stay geographically
• 48:24
  close to where he was at Penn State.
• 48:26
  He has won everywhere he's been. James Franklin has he gets to go
• 48:31
  to Virginia Tech. And I think the only person is
• 48:33
  happier than probably Virginia Tech fans is Jim Phillips, the
• 48:37
  ACC commissioner. Because how good is this for
• 48:39
  your conference that you got, I think a top ten head coach in
• 48:43
  the sport to come to Virginia Tech and you know who's not in
• 48:46
  his way anymore? Ohio State, Michigan and Oregon,
• 48:50
  who's in his way now? Miami, sure.
• 48:53
  They're the they're the powerhouse in the ACC Absolutely
• 48:57
  Clemson question mark. And are either of those schools
• 49:00
  on the same level of as a program consistency wise as Ohio
• 49:04
  State, Michigan or Oregon? The answer's no.
• 49:06
  So there is a real chance James Franklin could come in and be
• 49:09
  top dog in the ACC and just like a Penn State, but way more open.
• 49:14
  This is AI mean. This is a golden path to the
• 49:17
  playoff every year. And now it's how high is the
• 49:20
  ceiling? Because I have no doubt he can
• 49:22
  come in and win the ACC and go to the playoff most years.
• 49:25
  Playoff most years, not when ACC most years.
• 49:27
  I think, you know, once every three to four years he should be
• 49:31
  one of the conference. That's that's what I think of
• 49:32
  James Franklin. And now it's like what?
• 49:34
  What's the ceiling at Virginia Tech?
• 49:35
  I think we're going to find out because I think James Franklin
• 49:37
  raises the floor and approaches the ceiling at whatever program
• 49:41
  he's at. So I think very, very highly of
• 49:43
  James Franklin. You and I were both pretty
• 49:45
  strong on it was a mistake for Penn State to fire him.
• 49:48
  Although we think about how Matt Campbell's a very good hire.
• 49:50
  I think this is the best hire of the offseason.
• 49:52
  The more I think about it, it's James Franklin to Virginia Tech.
• 49:55
  A lot of schools wanted them and I think it's a great move by him
• 49:58
  as well to get, I think it's a win win all around for him to go
• 50:01
  to Virginia Tech. Daniel Stanford, Andrew Luck's
• 50:04
  first hire as is is he general manager, president of football.
• 50:07
  I don't know what he is. They're they're kind of running
• 50:09
  that like an NFL. Over there general manager I
• 50:11
  think. It's Avita Pritchard.
• 50:13
  So he hires at Stanford. He's a Stanford guy.
• 50:16
  Daniel what? What letter grade are you giving
• 50:18
  Coach Pritchard to Stanford? Yeah, I'm this is it's tough
• 50:26
  because he's not been head coach anywhere.
• 50:28
  And by what I'm looking at, I don't know if he's even really
• 50:32
  been, he's not been on many people's radar for Kyle, you
• 50:38
  know, being a, a college head coach.
• 50:39
  He's been at Stanford singularly.
• 50:41
  And then he went to the commanders for a couple years as
• 50:45
  their offensive coordinator. But our quarterbacks coach,
• 50:48
  excuse me, he wasn't offensive coordinator.
• 50:50
  That was, what's his name, Coach handsome.
• 50:53
  Anyways, it it's a a curveball, but they kind of have to do that
• 50:58
  Stanford and I think that, you know, luck just kind of went
• 51:01
  with his guy trying to keep it comfortable.
• 51:05
  You know, it is what it is. I'm not going to give it a high
• 51:08
  grade. I'm not going to flunk him or I
• 51:11
  guess give him AD like we did Ryan Silverfield.
• 51:13
  But I must say, C minus. We'll see what happens and just,
• 51:17
  you know, keep it moving. Completely agree C minus I put a
• 51:20
  question mark by it. Let me tell you who this reminds
• 51:23
  me of of when a coaching hire semi recently that I was just
• 51:27
  like I have no idea what to think of this person.
• 51:31
  It was Jedfish when he got hired at Arizona, and I give that AC
• 51:35
  minus of just like, OK, he's kind of bounced around, kind of
• 51:38
  been in the NFL little bit. He was, I think it was like he
• 51:41
  was, I think it was coming off of what, like the Patriots
• 51:44
  quarterbacks coach. I think it's what he was before
• 51:46
  the Arizona job. It was something like that.
• 51:48
  Yeah, that's right. And it's just like, I mean, I
• 51:51
  have no idea what to think of this.
• 51:53
  Like I have, I have no idea who he is.
• 51:54
  It's like he's been around successful people.
• 51:57
  Right, and I'm like, I have no idea and and he's turned out to
• 51:59
  be a a good coach, good football coach, C minus, but I'm like
• 52:04
  that that was my comparison is maybe he's like a Jet Fish and I
• 52:06
  know nothing about him and he's going to come in to just be a
• 52:09
  really good football coach. They got the Stanford, you know,
• 52:11
  bromance going on over there. So he's what was that for?
• 52:14
  Him while luck was there. He he proceeded Luck as a
• 52:17
  quarterback. He was the quarterback before
• 52:19
  Andrew Luck or he was there those same years.
• 52:20
  I don't know he was starter back, to be honest with you, but
• 52:24
  yeah, he was. He's only ever been at Stanford
• 52:26
  or the Commander's quarterbacks coach, and now he's back at
• 52:29
  Stanford as the head coach. So I hope it works out there.
• 52:33
  Crosstown ACC rival? Nothing like Atlantic Coast
• 52:37
  rival Cal and Stanford. On the Pacific Ocean.
• 52:40
  The Pacific Ocean Cal dude, again, they did something funny.
• 52:45
  They fired the Oregon defensive coordinator, Justin Wilcox, and
• 52:47
  they hired the Oregon defensive coordinator, Tosh Lapoy.
• 52:50
  What? What letter grade do you give
• 52:51
  Cal's hiring of Tosh Lapoy? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very
• 52:55
  interested to see. He's from California, of course,
• 52:59
  defensive line coach at Cal way back when.
• 53:02
  That's where he started his head, his coaching career.
• 53:06
  And then, you know, he's one of these guys is Alabama.
• 53:11
  You know, he, he he was a defensive assistant for Nick
• 53:16
  Saban for years, really got a big reputation for being a great
• 53:21
  recruiter. And so that kind of continued to
• 53:24
  stick around. And he was just kind of known
• 53:26
  around as such a good recruiter. And of course, he had the
• 53:29
  California ties, So he had that that pipeline going.
• 53:33
  And you know, Alabama at that point is just like, you know,
• 53:36
  Nick Saban's basically got The Avengers on his staff when he's,
• 53:40
  you know, recruiting everybody. And so if you stand out as an
• 53:42
  elite recruiter on that staff, you're an elite recruiter.
• 53:46
  So of course, that's where he absolutely Dan Lanning.
• 53:51
  And so that's where that connection came through, why he
• 53:53
  became his defensive coordinator, you know, in the
• 53:56
  NFL with Cleveland Browns, the Atlanta Falcons, Jags, I think
• 54:00
  so he's definitely, you know, been around.
• 54:03
  He's one of these names that's been adjacent.
• 54:05
  When he popped up as the Oregon DC past couple years, I was
• 54:10
  like, it's nice to see that he grew into that.
• 54:12
  Because when he was made defensive coordinator at
• 54:14
  Alabama, I remember him being fired from that role because
• 54:19
  Nick Saban said, admittedly, he gave him too much too quick.
• 54:23
  He promoted him because he was scared to lose him because of
• 54:25
  his recruiting chops and he was kind of overwhelmed.
• 54:28
  But I think that it seems like Tasha Boy has grown and it was.
• 54:33
  He just wasn't ready to call defense yet.
• 54:35
  He wasn't 1 of Saban. Saban holds everybody to
• 54:37
  extremely high standards. He was not ready for that role
• 54:40
  when he got it. Yep.
• 54:43
  And it's OK, all that lore to say now he's here, he's back
• 54:48
  home and he's a really good recruiter.
• 54:51
  And I think that it kind of shows that Cal cares about
• 54:53
  football, which gets me excited. I'm going to give it AB minus,
• 54:57
  how about that AB minus Tosh Lapoy?
• 55:00
  I like him. He's a first time head coach,
• 55:01
  but he's kind of been around for a while.
• 55:03
  I'm going it's funny. I'm like, what's the what, what
• 55:06
  what grade did I give? I'm giving him AB.
• 55:08
  This is the same. This is Will Stein by me.
• 55:10
  For me like this the same and not just because they both came
• 55:13
  from Oregon, but like you mentioned, both elite recruiters
• 55:16
  on an elite staff around good programs.
• 55:18
  And for for him, they've been in an SEC program to go and spend
• 55:24
  what is it three years in the NFL coming back and being a
• 55:26
  coordinator at a top level program in Oregon.
• 55:28
  Again, I think you got to think different if you're at a program
• 55:31
  like Cal, like Stanford, like these mid to bottom tier power
• 55:36
  force schools where football is not prioritized.
• 55:40
  And I think being around the NFL helps and that you're a football
• 55:43
  guy. And I'm sure he he he's got a
• 55:45
  big resume of people he's learned from.
• 55:49
  He was a standout on that staff. And good on Cal again for not
• 55:53
  doing the stupid thing and saying, well, we hired the
• 55:55
  Oregon DC last time. We're not going to do that
• 55:58
  again. Just hire the guy that's the
• 56:00
  best fit and I think I think they did that with Tasha Lapoy.
• 56:03
  So don't know if it's an upgrade.
• 56:05
  Again, don't know the the ceiling at Cow.
• 56:08
  I don't know if Justin Wilcox was hitting that, but it's AB
• 56:11
  for me. I like the hire of him at Cow.
• 56:16
  OK Dingo, Big 12, three more. Oklahoma State hires Eric Morris
• 56:20
  after firing Mike Gundy. Mike Gundy was what like the
• 56:22
  third most 10 year coach in college football?
• 56:25
  Just a messy ending there. It just the bottom fell out.
• 56:28
  Gundy had to be fired his way wasn't going to win anymore.
• 56:32
  They go and get Eric Morris. What's your What's your letter
• 56:35
  grade on Eric Morris, Daniel? Keep it brief, man.
• 56:37
  This is an AI like it. Eric Morris is the man.
• 56:41
  Looking through guys that he's coached with along the way, I
• 56:44
  mean, he coached, you know, with Mike Leach at Washington State.
• 56:49
  You know, he's coached at Texas Tech with Coach Handsome.
• 56:52
  He went back to all Washington State with Mike Leach and then
• 56:56
  or excuse me, not with Mike Leach.
• 56:57
  That was his second stint anyways.
• 57:01
  North Texas has been a problem and they were really good last
• 57:05
  year. His Air Raid attack that he's
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  got going on. I just feel like this is a hand
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  in the glove, you know, as far as going to Oklahoma State, he's
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  from Texas. So he's going to have the
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  pipeline of, you know, knowing a lot of these coaches in this
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  area, coach Houston, like he's just Incarnate Ward.
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  He's going to be one of these guys I think is going to be
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  successful and he does what Oklahoma State wants to do.
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  So give me an A for Eric Morris. OK, remind me, this was this is
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  the same? Is this the same?
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  He was at Incarnate Ward with Kim Ward and then got hired at
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  Washington State. Is this the OC that came with
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  him or is that someone else? Yes, that is correct.
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  OK, I'm like this, this was my second best group of five head
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  coach available. I think the other schools should
• 57:54
  have gone after Eric Morris and the fact that Oklahoma State
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  landed him is a big deal. And the fact that he chose
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  Oklahoma State tells me that Oklahoma State's putting more
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  investment cuz I know that's not the only offer he had.
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  I'm a big fan of Eric Morris. This is an A for me as well.
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  I hope it works. This could be really exciting to
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  have some really good ball coaches in the Big 12 to go
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  compete with Texas Tech cuz they're just going to outspend
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  everybody. But yeah, proven like XS and OS
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  guys in OC proven head coach now at the G5 level, North Texas has
• 58:27
  been a problem. His offense is is is fun.
• 58:29
  It's modern. It's what everybody wants to
• 58:32
  run. He again for following the
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  trend. He imported all his best players
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  in the Oklahoma State. So he's doing he's doing that
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  thing lookout for Oklahoma State to be a problem in year one.
• 58:44
  That's where I'm at with Eric Morris.
• 58:45
  So a for me as well Daniel Kansas State my climbing Chris
• 58:50
  climbing Chris climbing. I'm like sitting like similar
• 58:52
  names here like looking like that's not right.
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  Retires Kansas State like athletic director visibly upset
• 58:59
  about it because Chris Kleiman just in it.
• 59:01
  It's a shame. We're going to talk next week
• 59:02
  about the state of college football and I promise it won't
• 59:05
  all be negative all positive stuff to say it.
• 59:07
  We love college football. It's still great.
• 59:08
  It's a shame that a coach like Chris Kleiman stepped away
• 59:10
  because of the the where college football is.
• 59:13
  Right now. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:14
  That's not fun. Klein is a good guy, good coach.
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  So he steps away. You don't fire a head coach.
• 59:20
  Kansas State gets to hire the golden child, Colin Klein.
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  You know, one of, if not the best quarterback in Kansas State
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  history played for. It's a great podcast.
• 59:30
  I'm going to blank on the greatest Kansas Kansas State
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  head coach's name. My God, I'm embarrassed.
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  Golly, Bill Snyder. Thank you.
• 59:37
  I'm like Snyder. Like the Frigid Stadium is named
• 59:39
  after him. I'm pretty sure Bill Snyder
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  played for Snyder as a quarterback.
• 59:44
  They hire Colin Klein. What?
• 59:45
  What grade are you giving this Daniel?
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  Yeah, I like this one a lot. I've actually got this one as an
• 59:50
  A. OK.
• 59:52
  So we're good. You know, he's he's someone who
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  I think that he wanted to have this job.
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  He's been, you know, he's a coordinator there, went to Texas
• 1:00:00
  A&M. You don't leave home for
• 1:00:02
  anything. So he went for a good job being
• 1:00:05
  a, you know, promotion and then he gets to come home to another
• 1:00:08
  promotion. So I think he was great player
• 1:00:10
  there. He was a really good offensive
• 1:00:12
  coordinator while he was there and I think.
• 1:00:14
  I think he's going to be, you know, hand in the glove fit.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, for him to have again, if if you're a school like this is
• 1:00:19
  what every school wants to have and wants to have work out right
• 1:00:22
  is you have someone who is like an amazing player for you, like
• 1:00:27
  an all time player for you, like from the state come home and be
• 1:00:31
  a head coach and then be successful.
• 1:00:33
  Every school wants it. Very few actually get it.
• 1:00:36
  Kansas State has a chance to get it.
• 1:00:38
  I, I'm going be, I've not given any OC, did a head coach move an
• 1:00:44
  A yet. This would be my one, but I'm
• 1:00:47
  going to go B just because I, I, I hope it works out.
• 1:00:52
  That's my, like I, it's hard for me to look at it and be like,
• 1:00:54
  yes, I'm confident this is an A as far as you've ever had head
• 1:00:57
  coaching experience. But again, that doesn't mean
• 1:00:59
  it's not going to work. Like I said, some of the best
• 1:01:00
  coaches in the sport were coordinators and their first
• 1:01:03
  job, they're being ultra successful.
• 1:01:06
  So I'm going to go B out of principle, but really, really,
• 1:01:09
  really like this hire and again, rooting for it.
• 1:01:12
  The Kansas State has their Golden Boy be a be a great head
• 1:01:14
  coach and he's there 20 years. What I'm hoping for.
• 1:01:18
  Lastly, Daniel, you know, Iowa State kind of gets the the butt
• 1:01:22
  of it if unfortunately with with where we are in the sport
• 1:01:24
  because of Penn State's lack dragging their feet in the
• 1:01:28
  hiring cycle. Now their job opens up last when
• 1:01:32
  they finally land where they should have started.
• 1:01:34
  They could have saved Iowa State a lot of trouble had they just
• 1:01:37
  started with Matt Campbell like they should have.
• 1:01:40
  Danielle, Iowa State hires Jimmy Rogers from Washington State.
• 1:01:44
  What letter grade are you giving this head coach?
• 1:01:46
  Yeah, Jimmy Rogers walked into a tough spot at Washington State
• 1:01:50
  when he went there and just kind of, you know, was a basically
• 1:01:55
  just filling a gap, I think. And his time at South Dakota
• 1:01:59
  State was good. It's so recent and new.
• 1:02:02
  It's tough to give it like a really high grade.
• 1:02:04
  But I, I'm not down on him. I think he's going to be
• 1:02:07
  successful. I'm AC plus, but I, I like him.
• 1:02:12
  I like him. I think he could do really good
• 1:02:14
  things. And he's another one of these
• 1:02:15
  kind of reminds me of like how Will Stein?
• 1:02:18
  You're like he might be something in a couple years
• 1:02:20
  where you look back and be like, you know what, That was really
• 1:02:22
  good hire. We weren't expecting that.
• 1:02:24
  He's definitely not going to be upgraded or Matt Campbell.
• 1:02:26
  So but yeah, give me AC Plus for Jimmy Rogers.
• 1:02:30
  This one for me, Daniel, I'm going, I'm going B and I'm
• 1:02:35
  giving some, I'm giving some. I'm giving some credit to you
• 1:02:40
  know what? No, I'm not even going to
• 1:02:41
  clarify. It's AB.
• 1:02:42
  This guy won at South Dakota State.
• 1:02:44
  He only had one season at Washington State, so he can't
• 1:02:47
  really build anything there. Now he gets the Iowa State job,
• 1:02:50
  which which is an upgrade of Washington State in the current
• 1:02:51
  climate, but he's a winner at the FCS level at South Dakota
• 1:02:55
  State. He was on staff at South Dakota
• 1:02:57
  State before he became the head coach, where he was the
• 1:03:00
  assistant head coach in the DC at South Dakota State.
• 1:03:03
  So he's been on a winning program for a long time.
• 1:03:05
  And I think if you're Iowa State, again, you want someone
• 1:03:08
  like Matt Campbell, who's a ball coach man who can like develop
• 1:03:12
  players, take under recruited guys, develop them and that's
• 1:03:16
  what they're doing at the FCS level year in and year out.
• 1:03:19
  So this is AB for me. I could go higher, but it's AB
• 1:03:23
  for me. Especially a lot of credit for
• 1:03:26
  the administration for like pulling the trigger and hiring
• 1:03:28
  him because of how little time they had to make a hire and the
• 1:03:32
  candidates being gone. I think given what they had,
• 1:03:35
  this is honestly, if you're into the situation, you could say
• 1:03:37
  it's an A, but I'm giving it AB as far as just like fit and hire
• 1:03:42
  B for Jimmy Rogers to Iowa State.
• 1:03:45
  OK, Daniel, lastly, rapid fire here.
• 1:03:47
  Yes, all right. Best fit.
• 1:03:50
  Best fit? I'm going to go James Franklin.
• 1:03:54
  That's my interest to you. We're going to have a lot of
• 1:03:56
  same interest here. That's mine's also James
• 1:03:58
  Franklin, worst fit. I'm going to say it's Ryan
• 1:04:02
  Silverfield. Mine too.
• 1:04:04
  I was like we're going to go suit for 2 here.
• 1:04:07
  Most likely to lose to their rival in Year 1.
• 1:04:12
  I'm going to go with Mr. KGB himself, Alex Golesh.
• 1:04:16
  That's a good one. He's got 2 rivals and he's going
• 1:04:19
  to lose to both. Georgia and Alabama are always
• 1:04:22
  on their schedule, so worst case he's going to at least lose to
• 1:04:25
  one of them. So I think it's a slam dunk.
• 1:04:27
  He has to play 2 every year. For terms of a graphic later,
• 1:04:31
  I'll I will go with you with Golush, but my answer is still
• 1:04:33
  silver field most likely. It is Arkansas's rival, so.
• 1:04:38
  It doesn't matter. Pick one up, they're going to
• 1:04:40
  lose. To everybody, yeah, I'm like,
• 1:04:42
  good. They might.
• 1:04:44
  I mean, they lost to Memphis last year, so.
• 1:04:45
  OK, most likely. How about that?
• 1:04:49
  Let's say first to win a College Football Playoff.
• 1:04:51
  How's that? It's the most likely.
• 1:04:52
  Like first to win the College Football Playoff.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, I mean, I I think it's got to be Lane Kiffin.
• 1:04:59
  That's my answer too. I think it's Lane Kiffin most
• 1:05:03
  likely to be fired first. I.
• 1:05:05
  Think this is also go lesh that. Was going to be my answer.
• 1:05:08
  I think it's go lush too. It's just Florida's a it's just
• 1:05:11
  a tough place to stay long term right now.
• 1:05:15
  I mean, miles on the way. Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  What did I say? Florida it's OK, but.
• 1:05:20
  Auburn, that was. I know what you're saying #2 for
• 1:05:22
  what it's worth. Really.
• 1:05:24
  Just cuz I. Would not have gone there.
• 1:05:26
  I think Florida fires quickly. They fired Mullen before they
• 1:05:29
  should have, but yeah. Yeah, that one go lush was my
• 1:05:31
  answer. I don't think this will happen,
• 1:05:35
  but if LSU goes 8 and 4 back-to-back years, do they fire
• 1:05:39
  Kiffin? That's it.
• 1:05:40
  I mean, you know what I mean. It's just like the expectations
• 1:05:43
  are through the roof, as they should be.
• 1:05:45
  For what it's worth, some of those big schools are impatient.
• 1:05:50
  But yes, I think you're right in the the answer is Golesh there.
• 1:05:56
  We've agreed on all of these -1 but really, I agree with you
• 1:05:58
  with Golesh. We're going to agree on this
• 1:06:00
  one, too. Best chance to win their
• 1:06:02
  conference in Year 1. I have James Franklin.
• 1:06:09
  I'm tier one. I think you're right.
• 1:06:12
  I think it's James Franklin. I'm tempted to go lane.
• 1:06:15
  I'm tempted to go lane. I'm all in.
• 1:06:17
  Yeah, I think and I think all the theatrics of how he left as
• 1:06:21
  people, I don't think we're I don't think we're talking about
• 1:06:24
  the football coach Lane Kiffin at LSU enough.
• 1:06:27
  I think that has been a that's been the sideshow to what's been
• 1:06:30
  front and center of like quit Lane's doing and he looks so
• 1:06:33
  weird the basketball game and he left the Saints game earlier,
• 1:06:36
  whatever it was, and left the it's just like, hey, I think
• 1:06:40
  we're forgetting Lane Kiffin, the football coach who brought
• 1:06:43
  Ole Miss back-to-back to back double digit one season for the
• 1:06:45
  first time ever, who took their team 11 and one to a college
• 1:06:49
  ball playoff. And no, he didn't coach in those
• 1:06:50
  games that that team was capable of winning two games in the
• 1:06:53
  playoff at Ole Miss. That guy's the head coach at LSU
• 1:06:56
  now. Yeah, I think we're I think
• 1:06:57
  we're not it's it's hard to believe we're talking about
• 1:07:00
  Lynn, Kevin this much. And I think that's not being
• 1:07:03
  talked about enough. It's amazing.
• 1:07:06
  For the sake of the no, you know what?
• 1:07:07
  You're right. The most likely to win in year
• 1:07:09
  1, their conference, it is James Franklin, Virginia Tech.
• 1:07:11
  I agree. OK, Daniel, we will be back next
• 1:07:14
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• 1:07:16
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• 1:07:18
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• 1:07:20
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• 1:07:34
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• 1:07:36
  union. We're recording this the day
• 1:07:38
  half of the state of the union. What's the what's the state of
• 1:07:40
  the sport? What's the state of college
• 1:07:42
  football? Daniel?
• 1:07:42
  How do we feel about our beloved sport that we think is the
• 1:07:45
  greatest sport in the world? Still think that.
• 1:07:47
  So it'll be a positive episode. We'll have some bones to pick
• 1:07:50
  about stuff we wish was different.
• 1:07:51
  How we change it. So what's hey, what's the what's
• 1:07:53
  the state of the sport? We'll get that right here on the
• 1:07:56
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