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Are Dinosaurs A Hoax? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about a doozy of a conspiracy today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh this guy is it is? Because this is like
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  Speaker 2: a it's a sticky situation. It's a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: quick sand of a conspiracy theorist. Because once you get
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  Speaker 2: into this, there's a dozen more right behind it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really kind of And I had never
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  Speaker 1: i think, until you brought this up because we were
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  Speaker 1: texting back and forth about what topic we should cover
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  Speaker 1: and you texted me and said, our dinosaur's fake. And
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  Speaker 1: I had never heard this shit before that moment. WHOA,
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  Speaker 1: that's incredible, And uh.
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  Speaker 3: Looked into it and oh boy, what a theory this is.
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  Speaker 2: See Ah, it's a really broad same as a are
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  Speaker 2: dinosaurs fake? But honestly it is something that's the timeline
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  Speaker 2: on dinosaurs is not correct. Dinosaurs in total are fake.
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  Speaker 2: Dinosaurs you know, never existed or the way that they
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  Speaker 2: existed is fundamentally different from what science has led us
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  Speaker 2: to believe. But this is a conspiracy theory that I
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  Speaker 2: first became aware of when I was like late teens,
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  Speaker 2: because my mom said that she was unsure about the
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  Speaker 2: validity of dinosaurs because they're not mentioned in the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy if you just search around. I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of seemingly crazy people pushing this, But
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  Speaker 1: then there's also like I found an article from some
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  Speaker 1: woman who's a professor at Boston University who is just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I think it's a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Nuts, and it's funny because I think more people are
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  Speaker 2: probably aware of the idea of the young Earth or
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  Speaker 2: thinking that possibly humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is the thing that people are more
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  Speaker 2: aware of because of intelligence, design enthusiasts or the creation
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  Speaker 2: museum in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been, but probably, yes, I believe so.
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  Speaker 2: So there is a creationist museum, and I believe it's
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky where they do show humans and dinosaurs as contemporaries.
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  Speaker 2: So I think more people are aware of that idea
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  Speaker 2: than they are that the notion that dinosaurs in Toto.
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  Speaker 1: Are fake dinosaurs at the table during World War One
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  Speaker 1: making fucking plans.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I want all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love just a big war room with a
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  Speaker 2: big globe and just like a Tyrannosaurus rex and a
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  Speaker 2: laciraptor and idiomine or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is gonna be one of those episodes.
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  Speaker 1: It happens sometimes we don't always believe the stuff that
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  Speaker 1: comes up a thing. We have gotten multiple one star
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  Speaker 1: reviews over on iTunes lately. In case anyone wants to
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  Speaker 1: go out and throw us a bone and help rectify that.
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  Speaker 1: But we have a Pizzagate episode in a Sandy Hook episode,
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  Speaker 1: and in both of those we were like, this is bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like this you are stretching.
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  Speaker 1: And boy, have the Sandy Hook and Pizzagate truthers come
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  Speaker 1: out on the iTunes reviews not happy, And what they
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  Speaker 1: say is that we don't take any of the things
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  Speaker 1: we talk about seriously.
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  Speaker 2: We don't give them a fair shot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is very untrue. If you listen to this
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  Speaker 1: podcast in its entirety, more often than not, I come
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  Speaker 1: out the other end of these episodes kind of believing
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  Speaker 1: the things that we talk about. It's just that I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm objective, and sometimes if I'm not convinced, I'm not convinced.
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  Speaker 1: And Sandy Hook, isn't that fucking convincing Pizzagate. I'll buy
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  Speaker 1: that there's a global sex trafficking ring. I don't buy
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  Speaker 1: that it's happening in a pizza place in Washington, DC though.
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  Speaker 2: That is pretty important distinction. And the thing really is
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  Speaker 2: And on the whole case with Sandy Hook, they just
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  Speaker 2: had to uh, they just lost a lawsuit about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, yes, it's don't get me started. But if
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  Speaker 1: you want to go out and give us some good
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  Speaker 1: reviews on iTunes, we'd appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Bring that total back up.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: But also, if you think dinosaurs are fake, this ain't
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  Speaker 1: the episode for you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you might be interested to hear what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you understand what people think of your opinion
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  Speaker 2: that dinosaurs are fake or that the fossil record was faked.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of what people generally think of that.
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  Speaker 2: And this is not gonna I mean, spoiler alert, spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to come out of this
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  Speaker 2: saying that dinosaurs are fake, right.
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  Speaker 3: And I would if there was compelling evidence.
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  Speaker 2: But honestly, the thing that we'll get into it in
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  Speaker 2: a minute, but I did find some points about the
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  Speaker 2: accuracy or the trustworthiness of paling tall just in scientists
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteenth century. If we want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: how that's probably not all on the on the record,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would even buy I'll go there and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about it more. I would buy that if their
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  Speaker 1: one example wasn't just this person was the best. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well show me who the one who was faking it
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  Speaker 1: was If there's all these examples you can't use, but
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  Speaker 1: this one person was better at it than everyone else.
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  Speaker 1: One person's better at everything than someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Or more published on the topic, Yeah, everybody else. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's gotta be someone who's the most right. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: am willing to agree with you that we should not
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  Speaker 2: take all science from the nineteenth century at face value
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  Speaker 2: or not with a grain of salt, or possibly not
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  Speaker 2: examine the work of fossils palonthologists and their examination of fossils.
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  Speaker 2: We can get into that, Yeah, certainly. But are we
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  Speaker 2: gonna broad bassed a Timestaers fake?
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  Speaker 3: Probably not, No, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: So. Most of the information in this episode comes from
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  Speaker 1: a real doozy of an article called the Dark Art
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  Speaker 1: of Deception Why Dinosaurs are a Hoax by Jeremy James
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  Speaker 1: on the website Zephaniah dot Eu. I hope that's not
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  Speaker 1: like a fucking racial slur in Europe. I have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what that is.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like an obscure king from the Bible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and Iah begot unto his wife by.
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  Speaker 3: Shutdow sounds it's probably something.
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  Speaker 2: Like he was hoisted onto his own Petard for astrology, and.
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  Speaker 3: This article right out of the gate, it's trash.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing it asserts is, hey, look, the ancient Romans,
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  Speaker 1: they did a lot of excavating, a lot of building.
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  Speaker 1: How come they nor any other ancient civilization ever found
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  Speaker 1: a dinosaur?
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  Speaker 3: And then they just move on. Yeah, as if c
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  Speaker 3: point number one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the ancient Oh no, they say, the Native Americans
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  Speaker 2: have no nothing in their mythology about dinosaurs, no other
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  Speaker 2: The ancient Sumerians didn't talk about dinosaurs, the ancient Babylonians
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  Speaker 2: didn't talk about dinosaurs.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing they all did. They just didn't
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  Speaker 3: know what the fuck they were talking about.
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  Speaker 2: There's yes, we were talking about this when I got here,
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  Speaker 2: which is I'm like, can you name me a culture
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't have some form of dragon yeah in their mythology,
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  Speaker 2: or some sort of serpent god, or some sort of
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  Speaker 2: lizard like form. There are all over snake cults and
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  Speaker 2: reptilian kind of forms. That's why David Ike believes in reptilians.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny that one conspiracy theory disproves the whole basis
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  Speaker 2: of another conspiracy. Yeah, it's like, if you believe in
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  Speaker 2: the reptilian conspiracy theory, then you have to believe that
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  Speaker 2: these people did have ancient evidence or not evidence. There
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  Speaker 2: were plenty of people who had theories about a time
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  Speaker 2: on Earth when reptilian forms were large, sure, or more massive,
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  Speaker 2: or more in control of the planet. That definitely exists.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by this argument, well, ancient Romans never mentioned dinosaurs,
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  Speaker 1: so they can't be real. By that argument, dragons kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to be real. Exactly, it's dragons because dragons
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  Speaker 1: have been mentioned, So does that mean those are real?
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  Speaker 1: Like what were they seeing? What were they talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Probably dinosaurs, yeah yeah, or.
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  Speaker 2: Like the snake head gods and all that stuff, they're yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're dinus, Probably dinosaurs, yeah yeah. And not to say
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  Speaker 2: that we even have to take that as any kind
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  Speaker 2: of evidence of anything, because it's it's art and mythology.
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  Speaker 2: But I yeah, even like the ancient Chinese, there are
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  Speaker 2: original gods where like a brother and sister who had
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  Speaker 2: like serpentiales and stuff. So just like from it from
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  Speaker 2: the perspective of you know, mythology, archaeology, anthropology.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're wrong, you're wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of societies have found bones that they were didn't
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  Speaker 2: understand where they came from. And well also a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people didn't even preserve animal bones the way we
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  Speaker 2: with now, or bones that they found that was not
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  Speaker 2: a real common thing unless it was a saint or
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  Speaker 2: something where a person of record.
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  Speaker 1: And what were we expecting the ancient Romans do to
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  Speaker 1: do when they found this bone? Yeah, like look at
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  Speaker 1: it and go, it's a dinosaur.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't fucking know what dinosaurs were.
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  Speaker 2: No, It's also we were all just and we're.
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  Speaker 1: Still just guessing. Yeah, in a lot of cases when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to dinosaurs.
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  Speaker 2: It's also like, well, why didn't they put these skeletons
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  Speaker 2: together and do all this stuff. It's like they didn't
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  Speaker 2: even do surgery case, and it's like the amount of
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  Speaker 2: science that anyone was doing was very bad. They could
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  Speaker 2: even like for thousands of years, people couldn't figure out,
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  Speaker 2: don't shit where you drink water from? You think they
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  Speaker 2: could have put people still skeletons together, right, Yeah, it's true,
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  Speaker 2: or don't drink water from where you put your dead
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  Speaker 2: people or whatever it is. You know. So it's I
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  Speaker 2: think it's giving them both too much and too little
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  Speaker 2: credit to say that they had no idea about dinosaurs
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  Speaker 2: and well, why weren't they Why didn't they have the
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  Speaker 2: Natural History Museum and natured No, huh, it's like they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have pants, dude. Yeah, they didn't figure out that
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  Speaker 2: warm genitals are a better way to go about things,
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  Speaker 2: much less have a natural history museum.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were advanced for their time, right, But if
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  Speaker 1: we just stumbled upon an ancient Roman civilization right now,
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  Speaker 1: we'd be like, holy shit, you don't have the Internet
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  Speaker 1: or anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gross.
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  Speaker 2: It's also kind of bizarre to fault civilizations for not
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  Speaker 2: having certain kinds of science that they would have no
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  Speaker 2: idea about. It would be like going back to the
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  Speaker 2: eighteen forties and be like, you guys don't know about
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  Speaker 2: atoms and radiology, jerk offs.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking idiots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could show them a nuclear reactor, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: just because they don't know what that is doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: they're completely stupid. It's like the Romans and ancient Greeks
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  Speaker 2: and ancient Chinese and all these cultures, they were very
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  Speaker 2: advanced in certain sciences like engineering or hydraulics and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, a lot of other sciences not
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  Speaker 2: so good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to stop you right there. Nuclear energy also fake.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, don't forget that. Okay, So this way we
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  Speaker 1: really build up to a lot of things being debunked
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  Speaker 1: in this That.
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  Speaker 2: Was the one that I messaged you about, because in
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  Speaker 2: this guy's art, we'll probably get into more of it.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a number of assertion settimangs, and one of
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  Speaker 2: them is atomic bombs are fake.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't drop any atomic bombs on Japan.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and we fire bombed them, just like with all
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  Speaker 2: those other cities, you know, those kids with those big
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  Speaker 2: faker radiation burns.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's confusing the fact that we could have
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  Speaker 1: just firebombed those two cities instead of dropping a nuclear
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  Speaker 1: bomb on them, and the war would have ended the
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  Speaker 1: same way.
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  Speaker 3: But we did drop those bombs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was kind of a nuclear arms race. Oh
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  Speaker 2: those faker isn't that nuclear arms race?
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  Speaker 3: That's the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: At every point, this theory, it at some point always
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  Speaker 1: ends up leaning on the idea of oh that's fake.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It largely leans on the idea that humanity is not
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  Speaker 2: nearly as great as we're giving it credit for it.
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  Speaker 2: That seems to be a big thing is to scale
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  Speaker 2: back all of human accomplishments as fake. Right, That's what
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  Speaker 2: it comes up, is like everything that humans have done
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  Speaker 2: in terms of giant leaps forward in science, this guy's like, Nope,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't do.
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  Speaker 3: It, none of it. Nerds, yeah, not even the Earth
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  Speaker 3: spinning not real.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So this guy basically says that dinosaurs are fake
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  Speaker 2: because the nature of the universe as he understands it
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  Speaker 2: is the Earth is flat, static, right at the center
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  Speaker 2: of the universe, of course, much closer to both the
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  Speaker 2: Sun and the Moon that we've been led.
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  Speaker 3: To believe, which are both much smaller, which are.
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  Speaker 2: Both much smaller, and flat discs flat discs, flat disks, right,
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  Speaker 2: and there's no outer space, is no outer space. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't say birds aren't real, but he's like, right on
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  Speaker 2: the cusp, He's like, if I only had six hundred
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  Speaker 2: more words, we could talk about birds are fake. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: so those are all true. The timeline as presented in
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  Speaker 2: the Bible is literally true yet six day week of
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  Speaker 2: creat seventh day of rest, six thousand year old Earth.
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  Speaker 2: And basically his whole idea is that this whole notion
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  Speaker 2: of dinosaurs existing is part of his larger plot to
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  Speaker 2: make human beings believe that we are at the edges
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  Speaker 2: of a galaxy with no meaning and no purpose, and
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  Speaker 2: we're just a spec and we don't matter and there's
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  Speaker 2: no God. Right, essentially saying, if you believe in science
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  Speaker 2: of the last two thousand years, you're an atheist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you believe science at all, which I've
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  Speaker 1: talked about that on this podcast. We did an episode
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  Speaker 1: called what if Satan is just a metaphor for science? Sure?
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  Speaker 1: And I do think that to some degree, because there
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  Speaker 1: are elements of science that are in direct opposition to
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  Speaker 1: organized religion. And it's possible that a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: rhetoric around the idea of Satan happened as a response
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  Speaker 1: to scientific development. But at the same time, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean science isn't real for that. Yeah, oh, I it
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  Speaker 1: these are things that have happened that people can prove,
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  Speaker 1: like this isn't science, isn't faith.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it comes back to this misunderstanding standing of
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  Speaker 2: the word theory. It's like gravity is a theory. Actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's the theory of gravity in the theory of relativity, right,
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  Speaker 2: and this kuy disproves us and I think people just
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  Speaker 2: need to come to an understanding what the word theory
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  Speaker 2: actually means and how it means in science, which is
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  Speaker 2: the thing that is pretty reasonably provable, right, and it's
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  Speaker 2: not like just some oh, I have a theory about
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  Speaker 2: how if you have extra DVD cases then you won't
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  Speaker 2: lose them. It's very David, but you understand, no, the
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  Speaker 2: point holds true. So it's but it is it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of sad to me to imagine the universe in which
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  Speaker 2: this guy pictures himself, which is that we are these feckless,
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  Speaker 2: stupid and beings that are such a the mercy of
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  Speaker 2: God and then anything we've tried to learn or do
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  Speaker 2: is just bullshit. And it was like, that's a very
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  Speaker 2: sad opinion to form about human beings, that they are
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  Speaker 2: just untalented liars.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing about this idea that because again very
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  Speaker 1: much a conspiracy theory guy, but this idea that there
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  Speaker 1: has been this centuries long war to discredit the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: and that that war is what's driving everything in the world.
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  Speaker 1: That's some fucking arrogant bullshit, like there are the Bible
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  Speaker 1: isn't the only fucking religious text in the world, So
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  Speaker 1: discrediting the Bible is gonna get you like a third
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  Speaker 1: of the way there and then you still got to
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  Speaker 1: go through the Koran and the Torah and whatever any
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  Speaker 1: other fucking natus religion is fucking with. You gotta take
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  Speaker 1: all that shit down to And this theory is this,
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  Speaker 1: it feels like some almost like white power type of shit.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bit racist.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, it's like, well, white people are the center
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  Speaker 1: of existence and everything else that's happening is fake if
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  Speaker 1: it's not white people in the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And it is decidedly anti Catholic as well. He
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  Speaker 2: gets into that because that's a big aspect of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people who were anti Mason or believe in
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  Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracies about you know, like ancient Babylonian
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  Speaker 2: power families and structures and all that ship with the
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  Speaker 2: roth Childs, and you know they think that, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a Masonic plot to undermine the Bible, and all these
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  Speaker 2: people were Anglicans. And then they'll also get into in
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  Speaker 2: that article in particular, the guy rails against the Jesuits,
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  Speaker 2: is there, right, yes, yeah, yeah, so the Jesuits are
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: at fault, the Pope's at fault. Yeah, the Roman Catholic
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Church is a great horror Babylon So it's it's anti
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I know. So it's anti Catholic, which is also I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: mean KKK was very anti Catholic as well, right, anti immigrant.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: And this isn't to defend the Catholic Church, no.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying in any way, but yeah, it's
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: interesting that the branch of Christianity that more likely encompasses
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: people of Hispanic descent is the one that they don't
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like that funny, yeah, weird or people of like Latin
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: origins basically Italians, people from South America, Mexico, Latin America.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Southern Europe huh. Funny have you the Great Satan?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Have you been watching? There's a documentary on Netflix called
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: The Family.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I've heard of The Family and I read the book.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It came out a while ago about dude runs the
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: National Prayer Breakfast. Yeah, yes, so yeah, the KKK is
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: widely tied to anti Catholic shit. This guy's intel, the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: anti Catholic stuff, anti Masonic. They seem to be just
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: anti higher Ed in general, right, yeah, sure, you mean
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the guy that particular, but in the family, yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Also, and it it's this kind of I mentioned this
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: when we talked about flat earthers.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: It's not so much.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're obviously they're pushing an agenda that the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Earth is flat, but that's obviously not anyone's endgame there, Like,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna end with people going all right, you're right,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: fierce flat. Now what do you want and them going nothing,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that's all. We just wanted you to admit the Earth
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: is flat. It's a general undermining of the idea of
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: science in general, and trusting science or believing science, and
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: flat Earth shit is just one part of it, as
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: is dinosaurs are real, and we see in this article
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that those two things converge at one point and it
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: becomes flat earthers and dinosaurs, and also nuclear weapons aren't real.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And then by the end it's just fuck science. It's
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: all fake exactly.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting because often in conspiracy theories, there's this
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: theory that this conspiracy exists to extract wealth from people
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: without their knowledge, or to extract, you know, allegiance. People
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: want to like, we want people to believe us and
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: bow down to us and give us all their money.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Usually that is the thing. But we want to poison
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: people so they stay sick so we can take their money.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: We want people to believe in this power structure so
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: that we can take their money. Usually it's based upon wealth, greed,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: power seeking, and blah blah blah. In this case, it's
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: people saying that I don't know what they imagine you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: would gain financially from thinking. They're like, well, they've made
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars off of dinosaurs. It's been a booming
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: industry for museums. Yeah, and it's like, really, if you
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: wanted to extract wealth from people, that's the thing you
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: would go with to get money out of them.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now we can make all these movies and it's like, no,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like ten of us get to make movies.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: That's not This isn't if anything.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of organized religions are just
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: kind of a really loose from for money making opera.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: There are way like exponentially more people making exponentially more
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: money off of religion than there are people making money.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Off of dinosaurs, so much more money.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: They're like ross on friends, that's a fucking conspiracy. They
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: made them a paleontologist to make it acceptable to people,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and they made them you know, they made them debta male,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So you don't realize how nefarious he is and how manipulative.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: You know, It's just it's not that far. It's doesn't
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: affect that many people that are like profiting from this conspiracy.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like, well, I don't believe because it's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: too small scale in a sense. Right, it's like too
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: large and also too small. But I think the thing
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say is it's funny that people would
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: be angry at a conspiracy that involved like bankers, let's say,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: or politicians, because those are fields that you often have
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to be wealthy to get into or be well connected,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: so those are very exclusive clubs. But when it comes
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to dinosaurs and stuff, anyone on Earth can become a paleontologist.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: So they study enough and if you go to school
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and if you learn enough, it's not like it's an
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: exclusive field of people where you know, only if you're
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: from the right families are you allowed to be a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: paleontologist or volunteer at a museum. It's not exclusive. Like
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the whole thing about science to me is it's very
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: egalitarian and that anyone can be a scientist if they
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: seek out knowledge and they test it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: You've seen that countless times where people will start off
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: as peasants in life and become famous scientists. So it's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: bizarre to me and that they're like science is so exclusive,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they're up in their ivory towers. It's like, right, no,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that's the complete opposite. It's not exclusive. It's not like
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: being a member of the royal family or being a banker.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could break into paleontology with a
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: shovel and a little luck on Google Earth, right, Like, yeah, the.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Lady who Mary what's her face? Who is you know
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: she sells she sells seashells by the seashore. The lady
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Mary whatever her last name is, who is one of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the first women who was finding all these fossils and
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: stuff in the coast of England. Like, yeah, she was
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a regular person. There have been plenty of regular people
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: who have gotten into the sciences and become a big deal.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: But it's hilarious to me that these people imagine that
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the sciences are so yeah, they're so prejudice and they're
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: so exclusive, and they're so you know, they kick out
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: people who don't agree with them all the time, and no,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: they kick out people who don't use good science.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like if we trace this back far enough
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: as far as where this anti science bent in a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: lot of organized religions comes from. I feel like at
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: one point, religion just sort of wanted to corner the
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: market on miracles.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Wanted to be the ones to go see that cool
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: thing that just happened God. And then here comes science going,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: we can make some cool shit happen too, if we
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: just study what's happening around us the universe. Yeah, makes magic, baby,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's where a lot of this
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: comes from, and it's just kind of carried on for
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a long time. I feel like it's the reverse. I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: don't think there is a Freemason war on the Bible.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I think there is. I think the Bible is waging
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: war on science and has been for a long fucking time.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It has, and it's just it's kind of sad to
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: imagine a world where one book that was created X
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: number of years long ago, centuries is the book that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: has all the information you'll ever need in it?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: What are the chances of that?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: And that's that's an important distinction here, because.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: They really do. But that's what it comes down to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: is that they really are saying that the Bible is
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the source of all knowledge right you could ever watch
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and could ever need.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And that's that's I think the distinction here, because we're
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: talking a lot about organized religion and Christianity. There's a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: difference between a Christian and a fundamentalist Christian, right, and
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize conservative like evangelicals prior
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to World War Two were called fundamentalist Christians and they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: eventually realized that's a term the world doesn't like.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: We better change it, and that's all they did.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But they are still fundamentalist Christians who do believe, Yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the Bible is literal, guys, like, it's like what happened
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: in the Bible happened. It's not just a roadmap for
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: maybe how to live your life without being a dickhead
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to other people.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: These people believe every like that it's.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: A science textbook, a history textbook, that it's a guide
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: to living, that it's everything right that it could be,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: it's every source of knowledge that you could ever want
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: or could ever need. And yeah, and with.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Every religion, at least with the Big Three, that's where
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the problems are is that small portion that is really
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: fundamentalist and basically zelots over what is in these texts
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that were written untold numbers of years ago in a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: world that has kept evolving and developing and changing. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like a large part of religious people in
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the world get that, yeah, and they understand that their
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: texts are kind of a guideline for how to live
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: your life. And then there's these motherfuckers who are like
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: dinosaurs are fake.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because the world and.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It seems wacky, but these are the motherfuckers that bomb
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: abortion clinics and shit like that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Totally true, and it's just a very different take on
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the universe, which is in their take on the universe,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the world does not get more complex. That is really
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: what it comes down to is that you think that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the world was created in this very simple manner by
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: God directly. So there's one agent acting, which is God,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and there's one creation, which is the earth, and that's
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: in the center of everything, and so it's everything getting
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: pared down to be more and more simple. So you
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: only need one book, and the book only has one interpretation,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and there's only one major player, which is God, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: there's only one major focus, which is Us. So it's
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: just everything is more and more simple. So you don't
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: need to read other books, and you don't need to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: do good deeds to be a Christian. You just need
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to believe in Jesus. So all you need is faith.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: All you need is one book. All you need is
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: one interpretation of that book. But everything we know about
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the universe in terms of science or most people are
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: irrational sort of says, well, the world gets more complex, right, Yeah,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the universe expands, it gets more complex. We started as
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: early life forms. Things get more complex, so it's understanding
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: of the world ours are things getting more simple or
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: are things getting more complex? So these are people who
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: are all saying the universe is not as complex as
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you think it is, right, or nothing is getting more complex.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Everything is always as simple as it ever has been.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: It's almost an atheism version of Christianity, where as opposed
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to nothing mattering, one thing matters, yes, and that's the Bible,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and on that everything's fake. Yes, dinosaurs, nuclear weapons, the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: fucking Super Nintendo, it's all fake.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Well, they also believe that anything that says that human
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: beings aren't at the center of everything is degrading humanity.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: They'll say basically that it's like to say that we
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: evolved is to say that we it's one point, we're
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: less than we are now. So it's really egotistical in
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: terms of humans, that it's saying that humans are at
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the center of everything, and that it's like, how dare
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: you ever say that I'm not the most important thing
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: in the universe? Right, that a dinosaur could have existed,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Like to say that a dinosaur exists not is like
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: insulting to them, It's insulting to their humanity. Yeah, it's like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: how insecure are you? This is that seems so jealous
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: that you're like, I don't even want to think about
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: God ever making anything that's not me, right, Yeah, it's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: and all the animals were made for me. So if
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: all the animals were made for me, that how could
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: there have been dinosaurs and animals before there was me?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Makes no fucking sense.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Right, And yeah, it's important to keep in mind that also,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this is a group that thinks the Earth is six
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: thousand years old, right, and dinosaurs existing undoes that altogether.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And this is a quote from the article, one of
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: many quotes that really got under my fucking crawl. If
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: dinosaurs existed on the Earth for millions of years then
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: they should have left a record so extravagant and so
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: extensive that it would be virtually impossible to excavate any
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: part of the Earth and not find some evidence of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: their fossilized remains. Maybe that's true if the Earth is
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: six thousand years old. Yeah, but we're talking about things
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that existed millions of years ago.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Million.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of shit built up on
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: top of those carcasses by the time we find them.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Even not a scientist, some one of the basic understanding
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of how the structures of the world work. Okay, look
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: at the fact that we find temples underwater, we find
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: cities underwater, we find roads underwater, we find huge amounts
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: of data that is underwater that was made by human beings.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: So we understand that places that used to be livable
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: are now not livable and now inaccessible to us, probably
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: in a way. And those are just thousands of years ago.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: So you don't believe that things millions of years ago
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: could be at a point Earth that is largely inaccessible
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to most people. Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: No, And there's this.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You gotta laugh because I'm like, all right, cool, Well,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: this is we don't understand how digging works.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Well, this is another quote right along those same lines.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Why then are they and they're talking about fossils, why
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: then are they only ever found by experts and only
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in remote locations? Okay, one, because they're experts, and that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: what experts. If you gave me a shovel and said
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: go find a fucking dinosaur bone, I couldn't do it.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: And that's also not true.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I've heard of examples of people who are building roads
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: in California yea and sun in California, and they have
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to stop working because they find something that has to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: later be investigated by baling college as archaeologists.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And as far as the only in remote locations, saying
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this sentence comes after them talking about how well, if
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: dinosaurs were so plentiful, there should be bones mere miles
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: from your own home. There probably are, and there are
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: probably houses on top of them and buildings. We have
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: built a whole fucking society on top of all this land.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: You're not just gonna bulldoze a fucking home on the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: off chance there's a dinosaur bone under there.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, we have an understanding, and.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: That's why we dig in remote locations. There's no buildings
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: on top of remote locations.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Also, there was a giant asteroid that There's been huge
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: movements of glaciers. There's been ice ages, multiple nuture ice age,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and then the little ice age. There's been fast changes
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: to the Earth. Yeah, just that asteroid hitting wiped out
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of them.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And even the asteroid thing, people are like, why did
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: mammals survive? Dinosaurs were mostly herbivores, you fucking goons and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: cold blooded. Yeah, like they ate plants and couldn't survive
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: cold weather. Yeah, it's pretty easy. It's easy math.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not very hard to figure out. And then
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: just the whole thing of getting into like, well, the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: physics of these creatures don't make sense from a perspective
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: of anatomy.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yep, that's too big. Yeah, that comes up.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: And the thing you're seeing a blue whale. Motherfucker.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Like we're just now we're.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Talking about things that existed millions of years ago. We're
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: gonna get some shit wrong when we're figuring out what
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: they are. And one of the things we got wrong
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: is that we overestimated how heavy dinosaurs were. In a
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: lot of cases, they were more like birds, and go
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: look at any bird, right, now that fucking top heavy
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: idiot runs around just fine on its stupid little twig legs.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Look at a pelican, Yeah, look, look at a platypus.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Do you think that makes sense?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: It makes no sense.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: It makes no goddamn sense.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: There's zero.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: There's so many things nature that from a design perspective
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: are weird or strange or don't make sense from a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: design perspective. Not every animal that's designed ends up in
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: its form because of the engineering totally makes sense. Some
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: of it is sex selection, do and made certain things
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to do with breeding pawerns, So we don't totally even understand, Like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: there are features on animals that are selected by their
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: partners that are not the most from an engineering perspective,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: aren't the most rational or aren't the most efficient force, right,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Like for a reindeer, do you think that having giant
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: crown of antlers is the most efficient?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Has to be impractical.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit impractical, but yet it exists.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: It's still there.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: It's still there. So to be like, well, it would
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be impractical for dinosaurs to exist in those forms, it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: like it's impractical for a lot of things to exist
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: in their forms. Is impractical for human beings to have
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: ninety percent of our he lost through our head. Yeah,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that makes no fucking sense, stupid, Or to have a
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: blind spot in our eyes. Why don't our eyes go
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: in every direction with no blind spot?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Why can't I turn my head three hundred and
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: sixty degrees?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly? Why do we have an appendix?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Owls can do it?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: How come owls can do it and I can't. Maybe
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: owls are fake?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I'd be fine with you. I think owls are fucking mrs.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: When I come to the end of these I just
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: want to be like, am I real?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: It's And I should mention this article twenty eight pages
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: long and read it all.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: We've covered about four pages of it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: The thing against me, too is there are a number
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: of fundamentals Christians who do believe in dinosaurs, but they
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: merely believe that they existed at the same time as humans,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: possibly in different forms that we're imagining them. So this
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: is even beyond what those people believe, right, because a
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: lot of people who look at stuff in the Bible
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and the Bible they do mention a behemoth.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: That is.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: The thing that is mentioned is like, you know, a
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: large beast that some people have looked to and they've
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: compared it to possibly like a pronosaurus or something like that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Like I think they get into the descriptions of the tale,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: is like a spruce tree or a pine tree or
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: something like that. So I mean, even if you were
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a fundamental as Christian who was taking a more literal
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: approach to the Bible and what they say about creatures
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: that don't exist in our present time, there are Yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: you could come up with somewhat of an argument from
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a theological perspective that says that dinosaurs did exist. So
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it's weird that they're even making enemies of those people.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that like man and dinosaur existing at the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: same time.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Glenstone's I feel like, Glenstone, if.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: You want to have that talk, Yeah, that seems like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: maybe you could sell me on that. Yes, some of dinosaurs.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Dinosaurs just aren't real Jesus Christ.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, So what we come to is saying they're not real?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Is I've heard this before. This is one of the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: first things that I heard, and I can't remember where
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I first heard this, but there are people who believe
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: that specifically Satan made all those bones and yet them
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: in the earth, confuse and undermine faith.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we talk about that. I mean they kind of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: allude to that in this article. On next week's episode,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: we talk about that a little more. But that's really
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: just crazy people. Like there's no like, I don't know
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: if there's anyone who's not sort of a crazy person
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: pushing this, but those people especially.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: So what they're kind of saying is that. So what's
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: interesting about them saying dinosaurs are fake is they make
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: all these points about how what we see in museums
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: are not real and that those are all made up.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It's a form of science fiction and art, is what
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: they say.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reconstruction, and only part of it is
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: usually the bone they found.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: That's fine, that's what I want. Like, if you find
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a fucking femur, don't just put it in a museum
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and go that fucking bone that used to belong to
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a dinosaur. I want to know what that dinosaur looked like.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: And if you can build the entire skeleton and go, hey,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that part's actual bone, I'm gonna go cool, that's neat, right,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Like what else are they expecting people to do it?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I think they're overestimating how much people are not believing
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: what's in museums. But it's okay. So if I go
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: to the Natural History Museum and I see that they
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: have a mural painted where they show like maybe a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: typical scene millions of years ago, I know that that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: somewhat an artists dram right, Like I don't think they
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: fucking went back in a time machine and had a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: little doing a sketch. Yeah, I understand that it is
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: a Scientists have to in certain ways imagine the past world.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's fucking Carbucks there.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Now we have to imagine what it looked like, pave
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: paradise and put up them not even paradise, but yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Or so they think that like the Librea tar pits,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that's all fake. Right, Where does it end on the
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: fake or mooly mammus fake or saber tooth tiger's fake?
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I think yes.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Like this is a quote that really kind of sums
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: up everything. This is presented as science in our schools
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and colleges, but it is complete nonsense. The Earth is
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: both flat and stationary. There is no such region as
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: outer space. There are no asteroids. The Earth is only
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: a few thousand years old, dinosaurs never existed, and mammals
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: never evolved. In short, the Earth and its history are
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: exactly as described in the Bible. So this is a
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: theory coming from again, a fundamentalist Christian, right, not just
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: a like this isn't your friend who goes to church.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: No, this is fundamentalist beyond even what they have at
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that creation MUTI.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Like a sheite Christian.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is going back. I think even Aristotle
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: would have a lot of arguments to make with this
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: guy about what he knows about the universe. Oh god, damn,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: that is just something that is I had another point
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I was gonna make it. I'm just like you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: when you're thinking about something that you hear more and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: you think about, you're like, ah, well that's it's like
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: a stick of incense just got burned into my brain.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Well that's how this article kind of works, because at
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: this point we're up to page six.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so asteroids are fake.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Stuff we've covered and we're all ready to outer space
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: is fake. Asteroids are fake. The moon is actually a
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: flat disc right about thirty miles in diameter that travels
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: in a circular path about four thousand miles above earth,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: not two hundred and forty thousand, like you've been thinking
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: this whole time, Laura. That's just what the Masons what
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you to believe. This is the Free Masons thing.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: It's funny too because on a point he makes this
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: kind of point that ancient people's had no they had
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: no descriptions of dinosaurs, or there's nothing to do with evolution.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: But weirdly enough, there are some things in Asian religions,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like the ancient Egyptians believe that bab boons. I believe
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: it's bab boons. I'm trying to think bad boons were
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: contained the souls of their ancestors and that some of
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: them represented forms of reborn ancestors. So that is, in
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: a weird way, almost correct. Yeah, oh, an almost correct
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: idea about evolution. Those are the ancient Egyptians, right. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: it's funny because it's like the Pyramids are twelve thousand
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: years old.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the Pyramids they're older than the Earth.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: No, or they're fake, yeah, or they're fake or we're
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: getting the we're getting the data on the Pyramids wrong,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the Great Pyramids, yeah yepe.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Also on page six is when they finally get into
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: atomic bombs aren't real. And the best part of this
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: little kink in the theory is that they just throw
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: it out there in one sentence and basically say, we
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: never bombed Japan. They were just fire bombed like all
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the other cities. And then they just go right back
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: into dinosaurs. They don't explain that shit. Nope, they just
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: get right back to dinosaurs.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing to think that you could get entire
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: nation of Japan to participate conspiracy. Yeah, incredible.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: How did they fake all those radiation burns? Anyway?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: People movie magic, you know, h Hollywood magic. It's interesting.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It almost makes sense if you think about it from
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the perspective of so from their idea from this guy
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: they do the universe and obviously is representing more people
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: than just himself. Man could never have the ability to
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: destroy the universe. I think that's what they're kind of saying.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: They're like man, God would never put man in the
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: position where he was so powerful that he could destroy
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: his own planet. And it's always scaling back human abilities.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: That's their whole point is, they're always scaling back human abilities. Right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We've not done any science, We've not made an atom bomb,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: we've not traveled to the moon, we've not understood anything
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: about the true nature of the world. Only God gets it, right,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: and only people who you know, listen to God get it. Meanwhile,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that's another thing that's just scaling back human abilities. We've
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: never conquered We never split the atom. No, we never
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: did that.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about millions in millions of years that
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the Earth has existed. Like the United States is what
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: two hundred years old? We're nothing, We are nothing in
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the big scheme of things. And there's just this general
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: notion with humanity in general that well, whatever wherever we
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: are right now, that's the furthest humanity's ever gone.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: And we don't fucking know that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: There could be civilizations that figured all this shit out
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and then destroyed themselves with nuclear weapons.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It's true, and we do, like I was gonna say,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: certain societies advanced in certain forms of science more than others. Yeah,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you know, and it could be that some forms of
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: science that they actually did know and they got wiped out.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And I mean, that's just the way knowledge goes and
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: collecting knowledge, and we don't know where pockets of knowledge
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: could have existed that just didn't continue like we're looking
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: back now when we're finding out that Neanderthals had far
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: greater knowledge of boats, Yeah than we thought before. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: how that all that, you know, science and technology works.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And if you were not the dominant group that gets
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: your history written down, if you don't survive genetically, it
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't go anywhere. And it's unfortunate. It's a scary thing.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of this seems based on fear. Is that
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: wild to say that it's scary because it's scary to
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: people to imagine a world that's not fully described, a
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: past that's not fully described in static and perfect, which
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: is the past of the Bible. And to imagine a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: world that is possibly beyond what we can imagine, or
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: more complex or radically different than what it is now.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Is just the idea of that much difference is frightening. Yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: And it is scary to imagine a world that was
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: just cold blooded beasts. Yeah, that's frightening. And it's not warm,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and it's not personal, and it doesn't seem very godly.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Right and if well, and also if you're one of
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: these people who believes this theory, there's something in it
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: for you in that no one wants to feel like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: they've been lied to, or like they've been conned, or
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: that their entire fucking life, in their entire belief system
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: is a sham. But if you're a fundamentalist Christian, dinosaurs
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: undo that, Like you need dinosaurs to be fake. Otherwise
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: everything you believed is kind.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Of a lie. You could say that, But it's also
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I think if you really believe in God and you
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: want to exist as a spiritual person, I think you
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: could accept that God's concept of time, godly time, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: our concepts of time are radically different. So if God
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: is a thing that has always existed and will always exist,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: then spans of time to him are completely different than
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: they are to us. Right, So dinosaurs blip in the radar,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you know, the evolving earth blip on the radar. In
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: terms of you can believe in a God that is
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: a creator God, but then you need to believe in
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: short periods.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're a fundamentalist, you need to believe
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: that God created man first, yes, and everything came after that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your timeline. Well, if you're a fundamentalis Christian in
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: this way, in this biblical of a fundamentalist, I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: you're really underestimating God. I think it's almost kind of
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: blasphemous that you think that the entire nature of God
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: could be understood in this book written by these human beings,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: that the nature of God could be so much more
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: complex than humans could understand within the Bible, or people
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: at biblical biblical times could understand of God, or even
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: now that we can understand of God, you could say
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: that you can even be more godly than this guy,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: have more faith in God than this guy, and come
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: to the complete opposite conclusion of him.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, which is bizarre. Yeah, it's that's the thing
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: where God, We're not.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Like discounting religion or believing in God by saying that
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: this guy's full of shit. No, I don't think so,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: no I.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I've been trying to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: get across, Like religious people and people of faith are
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it's most of the world, for one thing, So they're
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: going to be a very diverse group with a lot
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: of different types. And this is one small part, but
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: it's also a small part that wields an unfortunate amount
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of influence in the country. Like, Yeah, evangelicals have for
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: a long time wielded a lot of power in this country,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: and I feel like we need to go back to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: calling them fundamentalists, like they don't get to decide.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Exactly, Like I was just gonna be a fundamentalist Christian.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: People who have belief and who have faith in God
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: and also understand that science is a gift from God,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: or if you believe in it, that you would believe
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that science or human ability is a gift and it's
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: something that we should be thankful for. And to have
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: a group of people who are under your umbrella who
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: are shitting on that gift should you should beat the
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: shit out of them. You should keep them out of
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: your group. You should say you don't represent me. They
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: should be more incensed about having these assholes go out
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: there and be like, well, I think sides is bullshit
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: because of my faith. It's like, no, that's not what
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: faith does. That's not what faith does. Yeah, so they
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: should be more upset about this. It's kind of like
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: how people are like who is it. I remember around
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the time of like, you know, nine to eleven stuff,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: there would be all these psycho conservatives would be like, well,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: why don't more Muslims come out and denounce nine to eleven?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: And they're like, well, we don't have to. Yeah, it's
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: just I'm almost being like, well, why don't more Christians
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: come out and denounce these psychos. It's like, yeah, it's bizarre,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: but it's like by that logic, it's like, yes, people
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: within a large tent should kick out the worst members
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of their groups. That's how you stop your group from
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: being taken over bright pricks. So we're not saying that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: like believing in the Bible puts you in the same
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: category as these people. These people are far outside even
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: what you know Biblical scholars would consider rational.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Well, these people are, especially when you get into militia types.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: They are to Christianity what isis is to Islam, right.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting to remember how you know a lot
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: of the fighters and people who were fundamentalists were destroying
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Buddhist temples and destroying records of ancient Mesopotamian stuff that
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: was pre Islamic, and that the destroying of ancient literature
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: or ancient science or beliefs and stuff in culture is
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: very strong and unfundamentalists and in the same.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Way, and it's a form of gemicide.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: It is, and it's a racing history. And if this
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: guy had his way, what would happen is we would
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: go out and destroy natural history museums, We would destroy
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: any reference to dinosaurs.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Orsques, mosques we'd have to get rid of.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or anything that recognized atomic power would have to
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: be destroyed, right, Yeah, So anything that talked about anything
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: like that would have to be wrecked. So we would
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: have to undo all of these institutions that would make
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: them happy.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would. It would be a handmade's tale kind
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: of existence.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly, That's what this is. To go forth with it
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and say what would this look like in practical application
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and people's lives. Imagine having all textbooks only reflect the
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: literal truth of the Bible. No literature, no science, no history, right,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: you know, no paleontology, no archaeology, no studying of other cultures,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: because who cares?
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: You got cancer? God punishing you?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly?
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Better go pray?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Right? So yeah, So dismantling all culture and all learning
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and all knowledge and all man made creation that is
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: not to do with the Bible. What a great world? Yeah,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: when you love to live in that world?
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So much fun?
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I know, And we should sports No maybe on Sunday.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: No, stay home on Sunday don't even turn the lights on,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: just joke, and there's no lights.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: So power grade it's the work of the devil.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So, of course, like any good conspiracy theory, the Freemasons
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: do come up in this.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: We've mentioned Oh yeah, you guys say who's doing it?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Freemasons who are doing this because they
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: need a link to make evolution real, and dinosaurs are
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: somehow that because of course, And one of the things
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: that comes up a lot in this is when they
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: talk about the Sun and the Earth all of those
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: like the Sun is three hundred and thirty three thousand,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty three times larger than the Earth,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and they're like, what a convenient coincidence for the Masons
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that the Sun is that size and that's one of
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: their numbers. And then the Earth's axis relates to something
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: masonic and the distance from the Sun to the Earth
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: is something masonic, and they're like, oh, how convenient we
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: figured all this shit out, like the size of the Sun,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: how far we are all the Earth's axis. We figured
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: all this shit out in like the second third century BC.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Masons were founded in seventeen seventeen, so they had more
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: than a thousand years to learn up on this shit
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: and base all of their symbology around that, not the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: other way around.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: They do point out that a lot of the members
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: of the Royal Historical Societies in London around the time
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: that it so like eighteen forties ish through early nineteen hundreds,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: when a lot of discoveries were being made by Dinsers,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: they were like, okay, so all those guys were Anglicans,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and because they were.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Only letting Anglicans do shit back then, yeah, it's absurd.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: So they were like, so there, so they just all
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: happened to be Anglican, you know. Mason's hmmmm, so pretty
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: sounds pretty coincidental. And it's like that's the only people
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: were who were allowed to be signed.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one else was doing anything back then. Everyone
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: else was being fucking oppressed exactly.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: It's just it's just so funny that it's like, huh,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: isn't it isn't it so funny that we only learned
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: about this in the eighteen forties, And it's like, isn't
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: it so funny that we only learned about Adams when
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: we did, or we only learned about anything when we did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that's how advancement works. You learn about
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: things in one thing. We talked about it before this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we've even brought it up on
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  Speaker 1: this episode, but one point they keep hitting on throughout
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  Speaker 1: this entire article is weirdly, only paleontologists have this skill.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, they're the ones who are training
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  Speaker 1: to find fucking dinosaur bones.
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  Speaker 2: They get like one guy to talk who is saying
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  Speaker 2: that he had There's a stude who basically failed as
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  Speaker 2: a paleontologist. He was talking about taking these courses and
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, they thought it was a moron because
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: it couldn't tell the difference between a rock and an egg,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: but do the same thing. And I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like you just suck at paleontology.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you're dumb. Yeah.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: And it says at one point, apparently you have to
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: be able to tell where the rock ends and where
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  Speaker 1: the fossil starts.
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  Speaker 3: How come only paleontologists can do this. It's like fucking outcome.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Only a musician can play a guitar solo, I know,
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  Speaker 3: cause they fucking learn how to do it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Like we all look at a guitar and see the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: same number of strings in the same number of frats,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: and it's the same amount of data in the same
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: amount of technology. But certain people. We always hear stories
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: of people who are kids who can go to a
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: piano and hear a tune and play it. I don't
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  Speaker 2: be like music is bullshit because you can just hear
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a song play it and I can't. Yeah, it's bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: It's like God wouldn't make us that way.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: How come these people can like just look at an
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: apple and draw it perfectly but I can't.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: It's nuts, you know what I mean?
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: It would be like, what is this artistic ability? I
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's like some of how come a plumber
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: is the only one who can fix my pipes?
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Unsuspicious, huh.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: They hit on that point so fucking much in this article.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: It is infuriating, but the whole thing is INFERI it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: We'll link to it on the website. You can if
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you want to do it to yourself, you can go
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: read the whole thing.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's was particularly interesting about this one is
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the level of offensive it is because it can offend
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: the sensibilities of atheists, of deasts, of Christians, of people,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: non Christians, of people, even people who are more biblical
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: literalists than even I might feel comfortable with. You know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: even people who might even describe themselves as fundamental as
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Christians would have major arguments with this or would be
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: offended by it and the stupidity of it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: It's probably one of the few conspiracies that could manage
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: to offend nearly everyone.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, I think almost everyone.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Almost everyone should be offended.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: You you really have to be way out there to
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: get behind this theory.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it offends people in the same tent as him.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: You know, even people, even people who have conspiracy theories
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: about dinosaurs, could be offended by this. Yeah, because they
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: could just think that they existed on a different timeline.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love amazing.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I love a conspiracy theory where uh, you have to
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: believe one side or the other or it just cancel.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Like the moon is a good one for me because
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are like, we've
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: never been to the moon, and I don't like that
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory because then it makes the whole Oh, we
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: went to the moon and there's some shit up there
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and we can't go back.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I like that theory better.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or it's that it's hollow.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want a deduction. I want it to be
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: It's funny that people who are like I have different things.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I have different feelings about what the moon is. Even
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: those people can't agree, right, Yeah, there's no agreement, there's
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: no conspiracy to get together and all agree. For the
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: people always pointing out on conspiracy theories, they can't seem
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to find much unity themselves, right. They seem to think
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: it's so easy for other people to collude, but yet
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: they can't come up to an agreement. Isn't that weird?
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Weird? Yeah, weird.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Really, they think it's so easy for people to come
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: together and all agree to a lie, but they can't
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: agree on a truth.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's strange, weird. So that's our episode. It's been
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: a good episode. It's been a very enjoyable episode, and
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna keep it going. Next week we're gonna dig
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: into some other Hey, how come only paleontologists can do it? Uh,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get into some more wilder dinosaur conspiracy theories
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and they're they're all bullshit. There's one there's one on
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: there that I kind of buy. But it also comes
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: from like a Princeton paleontologist, so it's not.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: You can imagine me doing a jerkoff motion Princeton couldn't
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: get into Harvard.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Huh good point.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Go to Cornell and save yourself a couple of pennies.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: You really stuck it to her. Uh what do we
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: have to plug? Before get out of here?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Patreon dot com slash on Pops you can get bonus
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  Speaker 1: episodes of this podcast and all the other podcasts that
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I co host.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Uhcomen do that and Uh, I'm.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Gonna be touring in like man or something. WHOA write
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  Speaker 1: it down? Yeah, maybe I'll follow Trump on all his
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: campaign stops.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in Birdie's eventual funeral train procession once
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  Speaker 2: it gets assassinated by fright winger.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: H Laura Crawford. Besides that, what do you have to plug?
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  Speaker 2: I am now the co host on a monthly show
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  Speaker 2: slash Mic in a beautiful Ohi, California. So it's the
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  Speaker 2: and bird Hoffman at the Vine, which is a beautiful
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  Speaker 2: wine barn. OHI I have ever been. OHI I have.
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  Speaker 3: Done that show. I didn't know.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I think the week before you did it Bizarrow. Yeah
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that's a drive you're hosting that.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only monthly though you have a helicopter.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: It's monthly.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Month. Yeah, that's it's monthly. And I just OHI is gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: If you get an opportunity to go up there. It's
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  Speaker 2: north of la It is where it was like north
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  Speaker 2: of Malibu basically if you can imagine, it's up there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's about ninety miles.
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  Speaker 1: And I did that show with Kevin Anderson and we
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  Speaker 1: were three minutes from the venue and we were still
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• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, like you come out of your woods and then
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  Speaker 3: we're on main street.
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  Speaker 2: You fully expect a headless horse person to assault your.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, were we booked on this or were
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  Speaker 3: we invited?
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  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Yeah, oh I was gorgeous though. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It's a fun show.
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  Speaker 2: And see I'm from I spent a lot of years
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  Speaker 2: living in Cambridge, so old hippies are really my my
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  Speaker 2: forte for an audience. People who make their own NPR
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  Speaker 2: tote bags. They're like, I have the canvas, I'll just
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, anything else got that going on?
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: You can always look at Crawford Comic It's my things
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram and Twitter, so you can always check those
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  Speaker 2: out for more shows, things coming out.
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  Speaker 3: Cool, Let's get the fuck out of here. Laura say goodbye, goodbye, Laura, goodbye, everybody.
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