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EDP23: Sydney Harbour 10km / USATF Champs Preview / Grand Slam Track financials / Matt Fox is back · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello and welcome. Back to the Easy Double Podcast
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  episode 23. Now I'm joined, as always, no
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  surprise, by Owen Smith over in Ireland.
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  How are things over there? It's good over here and it's
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  literally had to run out and get that wash in and off the line
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  because it started to lash rain but not my run done so it's feet
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  up for the rest of the day for me.
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  Big afternoon of sport, you were just saying.
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  Yeah, absolutely. So the formula one's on now in a
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  little while. And then the Gaelic football
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  over here, it's like our Ireland final day, so Kerry and Donegal
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  are playing each other in the final later as well, so I'll get
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  to watch that after. Hey, I see you on on X in the
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  week that an Irish football game, I think it was like
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  football, soccer. They were firing like fireworks
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  at each other, the supporters, but it was only on like a little
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  local pitch. It wasn't like anything major.
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  Yeah, it's like the Irish, like Soccer League.
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  The fans are so passionate and there is like some pretty big
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  like rivalries. It's just it's not like the
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  standard wouldn't be great at all.
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  But no, yeah, the Irish soccer scene is something to be seen.
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  And then welcome also to returning from his big weekend
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  interview, star of the show, Dean Menzies.
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  How are you? Hey.
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  Guys, Yeah, Hey, Ryan, I'm doing well.
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  Thanks. Yeah, not yet.
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  I really enjoyed the chat with Izzy.
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  So yeah, not excited to be back to normal business where you
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  take the the reins, Ryan. I yeah, I was pretty nervous
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  doing that, but felt like I got a lot out of it.
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  So hopefully listeners did. No, Well, I mean, I listened
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  through like that when I was doing the edit, so obviously I
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  was paying attention to what was being said, but like other
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  things as well. So I didn't get the true
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  listener experience. But I guess Owen, you've
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  listened to it. How did you find it?
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  I. Couldn't believe her injury
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  history in college, like how like bad it was.
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  And it just really shows that like, perseverance and like,
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  pushing through it. Like when you think about being
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  injured for like nearly two years straight, like thinking
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  about it right now, you're like, Oh my God, I could never do
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  that. But like, she's had to come out
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  the far side and like, she's one of the best Australian athletes
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  ever now. So yeah, it's a creditor.
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  And cool, but she gives us her time to do that so.
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  We're very thankful. It's crazy that we've had an
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  Olympian on the podcast, isn't it?
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  Very, very cool. I was like, I appreciated the
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  fact that she hadn't won, like, every junior, national, all
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  state championship. Like, it was like, I don't know.
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  I feel I just assumed that certain, like, natural talent
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  would be what is required to be at the particular point, the
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  end. Like, it wouldn't necessarily be
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  like, I know hard work gets results with running, but you're
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  not sure to what extent. So yeah, I enjoy that you can
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  keep getting better for a long time.
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  And like her, I double AF profile looks pretty cool.
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  Like she's literally improved just about year on year or every
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  second year across every distance from like 2011 to 2025.
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  That's a decade and a half of chipping away at getting better.
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  So basically there's hope for us.
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  Yeah, maybe for you guys. Yeah.
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  So if you're listening to this episode now, the weekly and you
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  haven't clicked play on the easy one and probably advise you to
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  press pause and then go back and listen to that one first.
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  That's more important than the waffle that we're going to talk.
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  But anyway, we do have an agenda quite light in terms of running
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  results this week compared to the track action that has been
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  going on. But what we do have is Sydney
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  Harbour 10K City Night, 10K in Berlin, Gyropodisco
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  International, Lady Castle Bruno in Italy and we'll have the
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  usual training weeks from the guys and then some news coming
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  out of Grand Slam track, some details on the financial status
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  there and kind of what what went wrong.
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  Some notable Brits who have or have not made the entries for
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  the British champs coming up in 2 weeks and also some stuff on
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  the imminently coming up USA track and field champs.
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  We might link YouTube Diaries into some other chat on the
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  episode which is forming part of the news section I guess as
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  well. And yeah, so let's get into it.
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  Sydney Harbour 10K Let's start there.
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  Yeah, So the Sydney Harbour 10 Ki don't think none of us have
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  done that, right. Like I I hear about it each
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  year, but I'm not necessarily like it's not something that
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  I've ever gone to do. I sort of just had a quick look.
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  It doesn't like look like the prize money is is particularly
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  large and I don't think the course is particularly friendly
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  in terms of it's not like Launceston 10, right?
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  Like it's not super hilly like a lot of Sydney seems to be, but
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  perhaps there's a few turns. So yeah.
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  So we're a little bit cold in terms of having first hand
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  experience. But the top three in the men's
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  was Sam Clifford, Ed Goddard and Joe Burgess in 2930320954 and
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  3112 respectively. And then on the women's side it
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  was Leanne Pompiani, Caitlin Adams and Jenny Blundell in
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  3220730248 and 3402. So sort of names we're pretty
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  familiar with. So it obviously attracted a bit
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  of a crowd. So I'm assuming it's a like a
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  'cause they're locals, right? Apart from maybe Caitlin Adams.
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  But it, it must be like a like one of those local races that
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  that attracts a bit of a crowd. Local crowd.
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  Well, Sam Clifford, he's from, is he not based in SA?
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  SA isn't he? I think he's originally from
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  Tassie, but I think then he he runs for his team tempo, but I
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  think he like lives and trains in Sydney now I think.
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  Oh, OK, OK. Yeah, he's got that link.
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  I think they say link to Adam Diddy but then he's originally
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  from Tassie. I don't know why I know that,
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  but I also think that he's recently moved to Sydney as
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  well, so makes sense I guess. Comments on the race.
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  No surprise to see that Leanne's won, and interesting that both
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  her and Sam heading up the Sydney Marathon fields as well,
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  aren't they? So a little bit of a hit out
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  there. What 5?
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  Weeks out now. Yeah.
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  Well, what do we make of the women's only field in Sydney?
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  Leanne being like one of the main contenders with Jess
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  Stenson and Lisa Whiteman. Who would you pick?
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  Be there. If I was to pick, I would pick
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  Jess Stenson. How about you guys?
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  I was also thinking Jess as. Well, like if you're Leanne,
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  your race tactics is definitely just sit on Jess Danson for as
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  long as you can because she she will like kick her.
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  So like, I don't think they're going to run a specific time.
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  Like, they're not going to be world beaters in Sydney anyway.
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  So if you're Leanne, you're literally just sit and kick as
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  hard. Yeah.
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  As hard as that is with a marathon, you're just try and do
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  it. Yeah, it's interesting.
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  Like, because there'll be some lead pacemakers right from the
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  front group. Like there were, there have been
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  the last couple of years. But I remember like, I did it in
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  2023 and like, say Sinead was pretty fit, but I don't think
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  she chose quite to go with that group.
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  Like it was probably a bit too hot.
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  So let's sit like for the lead sort of four or five women.
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  They were sort of sort of chilling in that front group
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  before the race sort of kicks off.
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  And that's often how those majors go, particularly not the
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  fast ones where they're trying to run a world best or anything.
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  So you think that's probably how it goes, but whether or not that
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  pace is too quick. And so then would there be like
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  a separate set of pacemakers that go at like the Australian
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  only pace? Does anyone know what Ashnee
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  Divers is doing? Because if she's not going to do
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  a marathon, you could probably bet money on that, that she's
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  just going to rock up to that start line as well and just get
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  because like, she is the best, SO handy 30K if she's fit the
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  the best looking out of one Aussie eye and one Irish eye.
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  If if she was still Irish would she have the Irish record or
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  not? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
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  Was she run 218 two 9/2/20? 220. 1.
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  Oh, OK, yeah, no, she's still, she would still have it.
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  Do you think in in chatter amongst friends she claims that
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  she's the Irish record holder as well then?
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  To be honest, after her Olympic performance, you can have her
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  talking about the second one, not the first one.
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  Yeah. Well, but yeah, in ahead of our,
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  well ahead of the interview with Izzy, I was doing some
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  comparison between like Leanne and Izzy to see kind of try and
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  figure out like what sort of time range Leanne might be in.
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  I know she ran 224 and debut was at 2:24.
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  Edna Goya. Yeah.
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  That was the same race Izzy was in when Izzy was sixth, yeah.
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  So then at the ASICS Tokyo speed race the other month, Izzy beat
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  Leanne by a good 50 seconds or so.
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  So I don't know, I find it hard to picture Leanne now running a
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  faster time than what Izzy's run in like Valencia, especially on
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  the Sydney course. And I just don't know if like
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  two 26227 is going to be enough to be first Aussie past Jess
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  Stenson. And then particularly like the
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  wild card, who you just don't really know anything of in terms
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  of like what she's been doing recently and what shape she's
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  in, is Lisa Whiteman, isn't it? Yeah, I think it makes for just
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  a really exciting race ride. Like I feel like we'll be lucky.
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  Yeah, it's not obvious, and that's what makes it super
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  exciting to watch. So they've obviously done really
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  well to get such a high quality field locally and hopefully they
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  get to mix it with the rest of the elite field.
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  But whilst we're on it as well, do we have a definite yes or a
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  definite no from your side of things?
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  More likely, I think no, but I've not confirmed that.
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  Nothing's definite in the accounting world, as you once
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  famously told me. We don't often talk in
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  absolutes, yeah. OK, I'll accept it.
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  So the next result comes from Italy, which is the obscure
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  name, which are pronounced in the intro.
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  So I think this is 11.2 K race around a little Italian town, as
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  much as I could gather. And there was multiple loops, I
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  think like at least 456 loops through this town.
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  And it wasn't, I don't think it's flat by any means.
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  It was like up and down hilly. And the reason why it's relevant
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  is because the field is a bit like obscure.
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  Considering it's a random distance, it's not exactly fast,
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  but we've got your man Crippa winning in 3416, Male Karess
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  second in 3426, Sandra Moen third in 3439 and Jack Rayner
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  4th in 3529. So like for context, these guys
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  are all, well, Crippa, Karess and Sandra Moen have all ran a
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  206 or a 205 marathon and Jack Rayner being the sub 30 in five,
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  Kane, the 10K, what 10,000 metre record holder Frustrated.
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  Like it's bizarre that this this race has managed to attract
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  these people. But when I was looking at it, I
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  seen a photo of a male caress on the finish line either last year
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  or earlier as well. So it must just have some
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  prestige or history to it to attract them.
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  There must be a massive money behind that, I'd say to get them
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  boys. Izzy was saying off there like
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  she's got a bit of a where she was staying in sort of that like
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  a bit of a rural part of Spain that Sandra Moen was one of the
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  training like one of the people staying at the house with them,
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  which is cool. Like, because I think we'd
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  spoken about the fact that he'd move training groups, right?
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  Because he was Renato, coached by Renato Canova for a long time
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  and thought maybe sort of coming to the end of his career, right?
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  Because he's a bit older and he ran his sort of best at like 205
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  quite a while ago. But I don't know, it's cool that
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  like the MTC crew and sort of training style that seems to be
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  suiting him quite well, right? Like that's pretty, pretty cool
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  that he's running like 30-4 minutes is 1/4 of sort of what
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  he's meant to be racing. So he's obviously getting
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  quicker again, which must excite him and might be 1 to watch come
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  Tokyo if that's what he's doing. Also as well, it might just be a
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  chance for like some of these guys to benchmark against each
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  other. Like if that one hears that the
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  others doing it and they clearly think that they're 5th as well.
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  They think Oh well, it's a bit of a free hit for me to have a
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  race against them and see like where to come out.
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  So you reckon Canova's dropped Moen and picked up Christian to
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  try and try and get Christian to break 220?
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  Just direct swaps. Is Canova train in your mind
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  Christian? Yeah, who?
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  He's got more connections than me.
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  That's. Crazy.
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  Yeah, apparently he just slid into his DMS and still went from
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  there. He's that inspiration.
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  I was actually going to mention this later, but it kind of fits
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  well now. Have you seen Dean?
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  AC Milan are in Perth as of but I think today, but I'm going to
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  watch on Thursday the play in Perth Glory, aren't they?
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  Yeah. And I've seen that they're
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  staying in the crown. So I thought, oh, how funny
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  would it be if I end up like getting a selfie with one of
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  them or something. I felt maybe you'd message the
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  the striker or something. Here I thought that was the next
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  part. There's a few English boys with
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  them, isn't there? Just Tommy Abraham is a no.
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  Not anymore. I think he was.
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  He's with Roma. But there is Reuben Loftus
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  Cheek. Tamori the centre back or
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  something, is it? And then Pulisic as well.
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  That American guys with them, they're actually not bad.
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  Yeah, I'm sure there's a few of them.
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  Who'd? Like a chat.
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  Bring them on. Next guest Well, you know on
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  whilst there's on the Instagram, they've got an AC Milan running
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  club and because they're like on tour, like it's almost like
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  exhibition preseason, isn't it going to like these places in
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  Asia and stuff. And they had a few of the
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  legends with them and their lead in the run club going out with
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  fans for a little city jog, so wonder if they'll do one in
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  pair. Probably not good for your foot
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  though. No, I couldn't.
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  I couldn't sacrifice that for the like I am.
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  Zlatan was there doing the jog in Hong Kong.
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  Zlatan Abramovich. Yeah.
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  That's crazy. That's cool.
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  Anyway, we are we're running pods so let's keep keep it on
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  theme. The next result comes from
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  Berlin. It was a 10K road race again,
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  City night Berlin, 10 kilometres.
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  Now the women's was worn by a Belgian girl Chloe Herbier in
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  3112, which is very QuickTime. And second was Eilish Mccolgan
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  of GB or Scotland in 3131. So good to see Eilish back
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  racing there and on the men's side of things was also a breath
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  here racing Jake Smith finished fifth in 2850, which I've seen
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  him claiming on social media is like a legitimate PB because
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  since he's had that red ass illness or spout he's been
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  categorized in runs by saying like it's a post red SPB.
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  Like post red SPB because the level that he was at pre red ass
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  was like insane. Wasn't it was when he done that
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  marathon pacing job and finished it off and stuff?
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  But he's finally now run like a legitimate lifetime PB for the
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  first time post read that. So good to see you there and
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  definitely want to watch as he keeps getting stronger.
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  He's an interesting story behind him, doesn't he?
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  He's done a few, I think he's done a few podcasts, to be fair,
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  talking about that Red X, and I've never listened to any of
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  them. But it is like a something that
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  gets bandished about around running, isn't it?
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  Something I'd like to learn more on, Yeah.
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  Given what I saw from you in Japan, I don't know if you'd
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  struggle from red S so much. You mean I'm I'm not in danger
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  being under fuel? Man, the was it the the the day
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  before, just every time we'd we'd change platforms, you'd be
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  at the like a vending machine getting like a chicken katsu
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  Sando or. You should have seen the
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  breakfast, though, and you've seen it, didn't you, on
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  Wednesday morning. Yeah, that's, that's what I'm
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  thinking of. And then Oh yeah, the night of
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  the race, like obviously just celebrating went the 711 and had
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  about 5 meals from there It's. A gift.
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  Well, perhaps not, given that my my last race resulted in a
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  toilet stuff. Maybe I need to dial it down?
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  Train that bladder. There wasn't a problem mate.
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  And to the back to the results. There was a 5K in Sweden where
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  the 5000 meters of which is about.
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  Doyle finished second in 15-10. And did she touch upon that in
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  the in the chat team? I can't remember if it was
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  before or after, but or during, but I think she was saying she
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  just had to do so much work and it was pretty frustrating.
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  I think. Like, yeah, it sounded like, as
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  has been the case in a few different, in a few races, like
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  particularly some of these track races, she sort of finds herself
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  at the front doing all the work. So it sort of doesn't, which is
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  a shame because yeah, he's sort of watching some of these really
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  fast races get run with some other Aussies in them and
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  wanting to be part of them. But you find yourself just doing
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  all the work, which as you know, it's sort of just a really hard
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  way to umm, to do it. You just sort of spend a lot of
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  your effort before it's umm, and then inevitably someone's copped
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  a ride and kicked over the top of you, I think was the what I
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  understood it to be. Yeah, when you look at the so
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  she's finished second and first was 25 seconds ahead and 3rd was
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  40 seconds back. So it just sounds like a lonely,
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  painful race, doesn't it? Isolated in second.
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  It's never a fun way to run 12 1/2 laps.
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  Coming up this evening, just after we record, there's a mild
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  meat which I thought was mentioning in terms of the
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  field. So again, in Berlin, this one's
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  called the ISTAF, and I have no idea what it stands for, but the
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  field includes Jude Thomas and Adam Spencer of Australia.
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  I mean like minus the major hitters, that's like the Diamond
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  League failed if you put like in the goose or care in there,
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  isn't it? It's pretty stacked.
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  And then lastly, we've there's two more Diamond leagues.
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  I think why it's been so quiet this week is because we just
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  used to having like a major Diamond League meet or something
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  every week at the minute, aren't we?
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  But there's a break for US champs coming up this Thursday,
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  which we'll get to, and then British champs the week after.
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  And then the Diamond League is back for two more meets before
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  the qualifying window for Tokyo closes.
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  So there's one in Seattle set in Poland and then one in Luzan in
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  Switzerland. So what's the space for people
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  chasing last minute times and qualifiers there before the
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  window closes? My fellows, do you want to tell
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  us about your week of training? Certainly.
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  So, yeah, so I'd run the Shelly 10K on the Sunday.
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  So Monday was just the regular commutes to and from the office,
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  nothing too much to report. Tuesday into the office again
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  and then to the track. So that's about 60.
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  Sorry, shorter commute to the track.
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  That's right. So on Tuesday I needed to go
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  collect one of the kids from from school because she wasn't
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  well. But that was that was all
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  sorted. That was all OK.
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  And then went for no, actually that was another day.
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  That was Wednesday. She said it was school
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  interviews, but then I went from from those to the track and just
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  did a black and modified track session by myself before the
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  group. So it was like a bit afternoon.
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  So it was 3 by 1200 meters that threshold, and then 6 by 200
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  meters in around sort of 32 to 34 seconds.
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  Legs felt a bit flat. They didn't feel terrible, but
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  they didn't feel amazing. But glad to have just done
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  something. And that's why I think REF sort
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  of suggested doing something more moderate, which was
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  reasonable given a price on Sunday.
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  Wednesday a couple of yeah, strange runs to and from the
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  office after dropping the kids off from school and pick them up
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  early. So explains why they're a bit
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  bizarre. But yeah, just easy jogging on
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  Wednesday. Thursday morning was the
• 22:32
  Thursday morning I had off work and so I had just the usual 3 by
• 22:36
  8 minutes with a one minute jog in the morning.
• 22:41
  And then in the afternoon had we sort of call it the Gregson.
• 22:46
  Remember that 10 minute tempo, 5 by 1 minute on, one minute off,
• 22:50
  10 minute threshold. And I had a commitment that
• 22:54
  night. So I was doing that solo in the
• 22:58
  early afternoon. Actually, Thursday there.
• 23:02
  Beg your pardon? Two questions for your Thursday.
• 23:05
  There is. Is it always the three by 8
• 23:08
  minutes you're doing in the morning one?
• 23:10
  I'll either do 3 by 8 or 4 by 6 minutes.
• 23:13
  Yeah, I think just whatever I feel like in terms of yeah, the
• 23:20
  three by 8 minutes just works neatly in terms of getting
• 23:22
  around late monger and then getting into the office.
• 23:24
  To be honest, I, yeah, really don't think too much other than
• 23:28
  I I want to get my lactate tested.
• 23:31
  After listening to the Coffee club interview with the Swedish
• 23:36
  athlete, I'm going to butcher his name.
• 23:38
  So I don't, I don't know if even if I want to attempt it, but
• 23:42
  yeah, I found that. I don't know.
• 23:43
  Just to sidetrack, did you have you guys listened to the
• 23:45
  interview? Yeah, I'm nearly done it.
• 23:49
  Did you like something I enjoyed like or part of it?
• 23:52
  It sounded as though like the double threshold itself, like
• 23:56
  he's really progressed over time and he's gotten better at it and
• 24:00
  he's been. And he sounds pretty meticulous
• 24:02
  with his lactate testing to ensure that he's sort of doing
• 24:06
  it at the right level. But then he's sort of like that
• 24:08
  sort of the sort of baking the cake.
• 24:10
  But then the icing on the cake is still doing a lot of specific
• 24:13
  work after that. So it's sort of one thing to.
• 24:16
  Yeah, so the threshold is like the foundation.
• 24:20
  It's like what he builds off and then getting me gets closer to
• 24:23
  the race. Danny like sort of like adds in
• 24:25
  the speed work. But because he's so strong from
• 24:27
  the threshold, like you're able to, I don't know.
• 24:30
  I think that's the way he does it anyway.
• 24:32
  But yeah, he's mad doing the the tests.
• 24:35
  Yeah, he does. So he doesn't have to pay,
• 24:37
  fortunately doesn't have to pay for them, which is nice because
• 24:40
  I think it's like 3 to 5 bucks a lactate strip for the mere
• 24:44
  mortal. But he gets his for free which
• 24:46
  is nice. I think that's what they were
• 24:47
  trying to get at when they when they were saying how many do you
• 24:50
  use per session or per week? And I thought, well, he's
• 24:54
  probably not going to be paying for them.
• 24:55
  But he did say that in the end, didn't he?
• 24:57
  Yeah, yeah. Did he say he's like was his LT1
• 25:01
  or LT2 was going at 250 per kilometre?
• 25:04
  Yeah, he did. I surely that like that, that
• 25:06
  has to be LT2, but that is still crazy.
• 25:09
  And he's like he was doing, he said he was doing 800 reps of
• 25:14
  short recovery. So the 800 reps were in 202, so
• 25:17
  61 second laps off relatively low lactate as well.
• 25:20
  Yeah, just to get efficient at his 5K pay.
• 25:23
  But he was saying that like if his lactate is 12, it's actually
• 25:27
  not that high for him because he can get up to like 20 or
• 25:31
  something like that, which is just he's built different.
• 25:34
  Yeah. And the fact he's after ongoing
• 25:37
  full time athlete pretty recently, like he was studying
• 25:40
  or working before this is even more mind blowing.
• 25:43
  Yeah, it's worth the list. Yeah.
• 25:45
  And interesting that he sort of talks about.
• 25:48
  So like he builds that base in terms of periodizing his
• 25:51
  training, but then he gets very specific.
• 25:54
  Like it sounds like he must do a lot of specific work, like,
• 25:58
  like, like put away long runs, put away any sort of double
• 26:01
  threshold all the time, sort of at goal race pace.
• 26:05
  And like when he says put away long runs, I wish they asked him
• 26:08
  like, what was his long run? What did it look like when he
• 26:12
  was doing his double threshold? Yeah, Yeah.
• 26:14
  Or like, what is the long run to him?
• 26:16
  Because is it 90 minutes? Is it 2 hours?
• 26:19
  Like you would? Yeah, Yeah.
• 26:22
  And it was sort of, I'm not sure.
• 26:24
  And he sort of mentioned like, because they said how many
• 26:26
  lactate strips? He's like, I only use 2A session
• 26:28
  now, which is like 10 or 12 a week.
• 26:30
  So it sounds like like 5 or 6 questions away.
• 26:34
  Yeah. So 2 on a Tuesday, 2 on a
• 26:36
  Thursday, 2 on a Saturday. Yeah.
• 26:39
  Yeah. Crazy.
• 26:41
  It's cool. It sounds like because for like
• 26:44
  the past couple of years now people have been going down the
• 26:46
  double threshold Rd. haven't they?
• 26:48
  And like, I don't know if it means anything different to use,
• 26:51
  but to me it's just always been like, oh, you just do to like
• 26:56
  relatively easy threshold sessions on a Thursday to get as
• 26:59
  much time at threshold as you can.
• 27:01
  And the rest of training kind of stays similar really as, as what
• 27:06
  it would be regardless of double threshold.
• 27:08
  But the way that he described it is like completely different,
• 27:12
  isn't it? Kind of put it in there like a
• 27:13
  bit of a timeline and like made sense of where the specificity
• 27:19
  comes in and what the purpose of double threshold is and where
• 27:22
  you should use it and what what it's useful for.
• 27:26
  I've never heard it like kind of sad like that.
• 27:29
  Yeah, no, it was. Yeah, it was a very cool listen.
• 27:32
  Did I have a second question on your Thursday at 9?
• 27:34
  Now I've forgotten it. That's OK.
• 27:38
  I can go through the Yeah, the workout was just the Gregson.
• 27:42
  So yeah, and actually didn't feel too bad.
• 27:47
  My pace is so the 10 minutes at 313 per K and then the minute on
• 27:54
  minute offs was sort of a little bit under 3 minutes for the
• 27:57
  minute faster minutes. And then sort of that maybe 350
• 28:02
  or 315 to 320 pace for the floats and then another 10
• 28:06
  minutes at 304 per K. So yeah, so that felt that felt
• 28:12
  pretty decent. Then Friday I just went for a
• 28:15
  couple of easy jogs in amongst sort of preparing for the
• 28:19
  interview. I had Friday off work, which was
• 28:21
  nice. So just nervously running around
• 28:23
  ahead of that. You should.
• 28:25
  Probably clarify. You didn't take Friday off work
• 28:28
  just for this did you? It was just coincidence, so.
• 28:31
  No, as soon as you told me that was the gig, I I told work I No,
• 28:36
  yeah, no, I I just come off of some pretty long days and nights
• 28:42
  of work. So it was sort of just the end
• 28:44
  of the period. So I sort of had some time owed
• 28:47
  to me. So that was I was always having
• 28:49
  it off. But you were prepared to hand
• 28:51
  your notice in over it. I had yeah, priorities, podcast
• 28:56
  priorities. We're nearly by the I'd say by
• 28:58
  the episode 50 we'll be able to go full time podcasters.
• 29:03
  OK. I don't know if you've been
• 29:04
  doing any cash flow forecasts, but there's no catch in this
• 29:07
  forecast. Of the three of us, like Ryan
• 29:13
  and I are the accountants, right?
• 29:15
  So we'd we'd less, we could be creative with numbers, but we're
• 29:19
  not even that. We're not quite that creative.
• 29:24
  We'd have to headquarter in Ireland though, isn't it?
• 29:26
  It's a bit of a tax haven over there, I think.
• 29:28
  Yeah. Or we'll move to like Monaco or
• 29:31
  Switzerland or something like that.
• 29:32
  That's the dream. Yeah, we'll see if we can lease
• 29:36
  an office of World Athletics in Monaco.
• 29:40
  Is that where they're? That's where they're based,
• 29:43
  yeah. Saturday I had so talking about
• 29:46
  getting a bit more specific. So the hope is I've been doing a
• 29:49
  bit of this double threshold stuff.
• 29:50
  And so then I had a harder hit out last Sunday for the 10K and
• 29:54
  then so had something a bit more specific on Saturday.
• 29:58
  But I sort of just said to Ralph, I'm a bit conscious when
• 30:00
  I do sort of race hard and then do like one of some of these
• 30:04
  like very specific workouts and I've got another race on Sunday.
• 30:08
  Sometimes I can just flatten myself, particularly my immune
• 30:12
  system. So we sort of landed a bit in
• 30:15
  the middle where I'd do the efforts at sort of pace, but we
• 30:18
  sort of wouldn't quite go as hard on the floats as what we
• 30:21
  would sometimes do for these specific workouts.
• 30:24
  But yeah, it's a bit of it was what the workout was on Saturday
• 30:28
  and it was like a, it's like an Irish like cold snap in Perth.
• 30:33
  It was freezing. It was I had like a like a
• 30:38
  icicle symbol on my dash when I was driving to Kings Park on
• 30:42
  Saturday morning, which I've not seen before. 10° zone.
• 30:48
  Early really. It was 4 I think four.
• 30:52
  Wow, youth Aussies are struggling so that yeah, it was
• 30:58
  bloody cold. My hands were really cold.
• 31:01
  I was not well prepared for for how cold it was.
• 31:04
  This is going to be like the heat, like you think our when
• 31:08
  it's warm over here, it's not actually warm.
• 31:10
  Your 4° is not cold. You don't know what real cold
• 31:13
  is. There's frost on the grass when
• 31:16
  it's -3 or minus. Two it.
• 31:20
  It hailed this afternoon, yeah. You know what, what The thing is
• 31:26
  it's, it is actually quite cold in the morning, it's like 3 or
• 31:30
  4°. But then come midday it gets, it
• 31:32
  always gets to like 1516, doesn't it?
• 31:35
  So it's like pleasant, but in the UK just.
• 31:37
  Still think that's? Cold, Whatever temperature is
• 31:39
  when you wake up stays that all throughout the day, doesn't it?
• 31:42
  Yeah, Clear. I've seen a tick tock where
• 31:45
  there's like a tornado or something at City Beach in
• 31:47
  Perth. Yeah, that happened.
• 31:50
  The weather is like really, really bad over there.
• 31:52
  What? Yeah, it's unpredictable.
• 31:57
  And somehow they were on the news, the Bureau of Meteorology
• 32:00
  saying we didn't see a comment. How can you not see a really
• 32:03
  tornado coming? Just open your eyes.
• 32:07
  It's not something, it's not something we ever have to look
• 32:09
  for. Didn't have the radar to detect
• 32:12
  it. But yeah, this worked out.
• 32:15
  So it was 8 minutes at 310 per K2, minutes at around say 340 to
• 32:21
  345 S All the floats are around 34345 S 8 minutes. 2 minute
• 32:26
  float, 6 minutes. 92nd float times 24 minutes with a minute
• 32:31
  float times 2. Two minutes with a minute float
• 32:34
  times 2. One minute with a minute float
• 32:36
  times two. Yeah.
• 32:39
  So it's a long workout. Where did you do this one?
• 32:42
  We ended up doing it on what the course of Max and I did it
• 32:46
  together. We sort of of both racing the
• 32:49
  half marathon in Perth next or this coming Sunday.
• 32:51
  So we did it on the course. We sort of jogged from Kings
• 32:54
  Park down to where they to UWA and it sort of goes along Mounts
• 32:58
  Bay over the Narrows, which is quite a substantial bridge onto
• 33:06
  South Perth and along the along the footpath there and then
• 33:09
  chucked AU turn and headed back. So that's part of what the
• 33:12
  course will be. But yeah, it didn't feel too
• 33:15
  bad. I mean, it's hard to get as much
• 33:16
  of A gauge because we're floating like those when we
• 33:20
  normally do those workouts. So it sort of started at 310
• 33:23
  pace, got down to I think we're running on the sort of 250 pace
• 33:26
  by the minute floats. But it's sort of maybe around
• 33:29
  just over 3 minute pace for a lot of the reps.
• 33:31
  But the because the floats were quite moderate, you sort of not
• 33:35
  sure just how close you are to your limit there.
• 33:38
  But yeah, we still felt all right, got it done.
• 33:40
  And what's the what's your float on a Thursday morning in your 8
• 33:46
  minute reps like how fast are you going on your one minute
• 33:48
  float? Oh, like 4 minutes.
• 33:50
  OK, OK, but that's quicker than what you you would do.
• 33:54
  Hey, you you jog on the I nearly yeah, just stuff nearly just
• 33:58
  shuffle. Yeah, altogether.
• 34:00
  But I think, but I think for particularly for these these
• 34:03
  like workouts normally like we're sort of trying to get
• 34:06
  pretty close to the fire. So I think I normally sort of
• 34:09
  press these floats a bit, but I think RAF is just happy for for
• 34:12
  us not to just to get through it.
• 34:14
  So what was the total time and distance for that session on
• 34:17
  Saturday? 45 minutes, 14 case.
• 34:20
  So sheesh. Yeah.
• 34:23
  We're talking about the half marathon coming up.
• 34:27
  Wawa Running podcast did messages and I think they were
• 34:32
  trying to get a bit of inside knowledge on your plans for the
• 34:37
  race or weekend because they sent me.
• 34:41
  So we saw a course record go down last week.
• 34:44
  As in Shelley Park brackets based by multiple bikes.
• 34:53
  Are we going to see one next weekend?
• 34:56
  The males course record is by a guy called Adam Hoyle and it's
• 35:00
  from 1986 now. You're going to have to be
• 35:03
  running pretty well if you are going to take the course record.
• 35:05
  Do you know what the time is? I did it now it dated back to 86
• 35:09
  that's for sure. 64 O 4. What?
• 35:12
  Gee, that's fine. Who's this person?
• 35:16
  What's this person's name? Adam Hoyle apparently, and then
• 35:19
  they also followed on with, interestingly, the men's and the
• 35:23
  women's record comes from the same year, which is at the
• 35:26
  women's is 114. So either a short course or
• 35:30
  training camps in the USSR. This guy's I've just I've just
• 35:38
  found the person's athletics. I double AF profile.
• 35:42
  They've run 2821 and 1347. So where is he from?
• 35:46
  Is he Australia? Yeah, 224 for a marathon, so got
• 35:52
  him covered there. But yeah, no, I don't think I'll
• 35:57
  be shooting for that. For sure.
• 36:01
  I'd like to be, but no, I think, yeah, I don't know, 66 minutes,
• 36:05
  maybe a bit under there will sort of be around what I'm
• 36:07
  hoping for, but we'll see. There's some blogging on the
• 36:12
  bike again. Will you be out there?
• 36:14
  This is there Sunday morning. Speaking of Sunday mornings, I
• 36:19
  did a long run this morning joined by Josh Adam and for the
• 36:29
  for the second hour of it, I did sort of an hour by myself, a run
• 36:34
  slash swim. Yeah.
• 36:36
  Have you seen? I've not had.
• 36:37
  I don't normally get that much engagement on my survival
• 36:40
  activities, but everyone sort of and there's an opportunity to
• 36:44
  pile on. They certainly did.
• 36:45
  So have you, you probably haven't seen my Straba Ryan, but
• 36:51
  the I don't know what happened to my GPS because they did it on
• 36:53
  multiple occasions, but it just completely freaked out and I'm
• 36:58
  sort of like I'm almost at Rottnest with with my map.
• 37:00
  I don't know why. So yeah, hard to know.
• 37:06
  We're all over it. Were they?
• 37:07
  They were I I've nearly run, I think I've run like a 26
• 37:11
  something 10K in the middle of all that he dropped 52.
• 37:15
  You dropped a 115 like 1 kilometre split.
• 37:18
  Yeah, it's. So annoying isn't it because it
• 37:20
  just skews with all your records to be stats?
• 37:24
  And it's and it's right through the middle of my run.
• 37:26
  So like, how do I? I don't want to crop, I don't
• 37:29
  want to delete my run. So I'm sort of not sure what to
• 37:32
  do there. So I've just left it and people
• 37:35
  just keep, I've not commented on any of it.
• 37:37
  And people just as they come across it, just explain to me
• 37:40
  that it's, you know how wrong it is.
• 37:42
  And so thanks. I'm aware.
• 37:44
  But yeah. If you've accidentally taken any
• 37:47
  segments there with like the GPS thing, the people who you took
• 37:50
  them from will be reporting it for you anyway.
• 37:53
  Strava, actually, I've not seen this before, but Strava
• 37:56
  themselves actually flagged it. They said we've detected an
• 38:01
  issue with this, this activity. This may be in a vehicle marked
• 38:04
  by the wrong sport or have a bad GPS crop out the vehicle or
• 38:08
  change the sport to resolve. So I'm assuming I'm not
• 38:11
  appearing on any leaderboards with that one, but yeah, 100 and
• 38:17
  says 154 KS, but it might be a little bit less.
• 38:20
  I'm assuming for the week it's a good week and you're racing next
• 38:25
  week. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:27
  So a bit of a lot of week to come, I assume, right.
• 38:32
  My week didn't really go to plan, but it started off well.
• 38:36
  So on Monday I got out for 50 minutes and then I'd done a few
• 38:40
  strides after and then my brother was playing a football
• 38:43
  game in the evening. So I just went out during break
• 38:47
  on during work like to get another half an hour in.
• 38:52
  Then Tuesday was my sort of my last like big proper day with
• 38:58
  the National 5K coming up next Sunday.
• 39:02
  So in the morning it was a threshold of five by three
• 39:07
  minutes with a one minute jog in between that and yeah, cruise in
• 39:12
  between like 3, I think it was like 316 and 310 for them.
• 39:18
  And yeah, feeling good. The lactate was low as well.
• 39:21
  Then that evening was like my last proper big session.
• 39:25
  So it was 3K like a predicted race pace.
• 39:31
  So I hit like 3 minute reps for that and then I had a 10 minute
• 39:35
  break and then I had a 5 by 400 meters and I was banging them
• 39:40
  four hundreds out in 6564. So yeah, that was my the last
• 39:47
  sort of proper big session and I felt good the next morning.
• 39:50
  Gwendy So what what was the first part?
• 39:53
  Not 3K straight was it? Yeah, 3K straight, so, and how
• 39:57
  like that's pretty. That's pretty heavy, like after
• 40:00
  a workout in the morning. And then like, so you must have.
• 40:04
  Did you spike up for that or you're still in?
• 40:06
  Yeah, it was on me on that freaking short track where I'm
• 40:09
  from. So that's why my Strava said I
• 40:13
  was running like 250 fives and I was like, fuck me, I'm so fit.
• 40:17
  Like I am so on. Can't trust garment satellites.
• 40:25
  So what, what pace do you think it was?
• 40:27
  It was around 3 minutes, yeah. 3 kilometers, yeah.
• 40:31
  But yeah, still feeling good. And then Wednesday morning I got
• 40:38
  out for 75 minutes and 16 kilometers.
• 40:42
  And then that evening I do my circuits class and I just
• 40:46
  noticed I wasn't feeling sort of 100% after the circuits class.
• 40:51
  I normally never get headaches. And I started getting a headache
• 40:54
  and my body was starting to feel a bit achy as well.
• 40:58
  Like when I was rolling out that night, I was like, oh, Ginny
• 41:00
  Mac, this isn't good. And then that night, like when I
• 41:04
  slept very, very poor, like I was like, I'd be shivering and
• 41:07
  then, umm, I'd be like, sweating.
• 41:09
  It's just not good. And I was meant to do 90 minutes
• 41:12
  and, like Thursday morning, So, umm, I literally just texted my
• 41:17
  work boss at like 5:00 in the morning because that's the time
• 41:19
  I had to let my alarm set. And I was like, oh, look here,
• 41:21
  can I work from home today? And he's really understanding.
• 41:24
  He was like, yeah, but I just lay in bed all day and I was
• 41:27
  like, there's no point to me running myself in the ground
• 41:30
  with a race in like 10 days time.
• 41:34
  So then did nothing Thursday, Friday, done nothing again.
• 41:40
  And now I'm on like so many supplements and all that shit.
• 41:43
  I'm just trying to like dose myself.
• 41:44
  So I'm have to come down with something.
• 41:46
  I'm not sure what it is, but my sister has it, my brother has it
• 41:50
  and my mother has it as well. So it's not, it's not COVID or
• 41:54
  you test for COVID or you know, COVID is not a thing anymore.
• 42:01
  No, I haven't tested for COVID. Like it could possibly be, I'm
• 42:03
  not sure. But I've had it like 3 times
• 42:05
  already, so I'm not too worried about it.
• 42:08
  Saturday morning, I was meant to have a track session, but I just
• 42:11
  pulled the plug on that. And then I did start feeling a
• 42:14
  little bit better. So Saturday evening I went out
• 42:17
  for just a little jog, just a little applaud.
• 42:19
  I was on 40 minutes and the heart rate was pretty low.
• 42:25
  Like I felt all right. It's just like I'm a bit
• 42:26
  congested, like I sort of feel like something in the back of my
• 42:29
  throat. So then this morning I done 60
• 42:32
  minutes, 15 minutes steady after 20 minutes just to pick up the
• 42:37
  pace to see how it was and like my heart rate did like shoot up.
• 42:41
  So I'm definitely not over whatever I have, but I'm, I'm
• 42:45
  just hoping like the little bit of exercise might like sort of
• 42:47
  shake up my lungs and just get whatever shit is on them just
• 42:50
  like loosen it up a bit or like so I can cough it up or
• 42:52
  something. But it's not really ideal.
• 42:55
  A couple of like a week out from a race.
• 42:57
  But I'm hoping I'll be over it by by this day next week.
• 43:02
  Fingers crossed. But yeah, for the week, 83
• 43:06
  kilometers and basically it's all downhill now.
• 43:09
  I have no double days, so hopefully I'll start to freshen
• 43:12
  up and start to feel a bit better.
• 43:14
  Yeah, I think better you get it now, right, Then, you know, then
• 43:17
  this this week. So sounds like you're on the
• 43:19
  other side of it, right? Like I know for me, the when my
• 43:24
  heart rate's still spiking or if I'm still sort of breaking out
• 43:27
  in fevers like a few days after, that's when it's like a bad
• 43:30
  sign. But if it sort of gets to the
• 43:31
  point where it's just like congestion, that's normally a
• 43:33
  good thing, right? Yeah, yeah, Hopefully I'm on.
• 43:36
  I can see like at the end of the tunnel anyway and just get
• 43:39
  through these next couple of days and then hit and run fast
• 43:43
  on Sunday, hopefully did. You times to get ill as well in
• 43:46
  the middle of July. I know, but that's the thing
• 43:49
  here, it's like it does be lashing rain, but it's like 20°
• 43:54
  so it's like really humid and wet.
• 43:56
  Like it's, it's just not nice outside even to train in.
• 43:59
  Like you're, you look outside and it looks cold, then you when
• 44:03
  you step outside like it's actually humid and warm.
• 44:05
  So yeah, it's just not nice to train in.
• 44:07
  Did you find out which heat you you're in at the moment?
• 44:11
  I'm in the first race. So yeah.
• 44:16
  But it's like to be honest, I'd rather come last in the first
• 44:19
  race then win the second race. I'd rather just be dragged
• 44:22
  around and like it'll probably be a massive big kick down as
• 44:25
  well because there is going to be like 1330 guys in the race.
• 44:29
  So it's basically just like running the smart race and like
• 44:32
  don't get too carried away. Just be around lads that like
• 44:35
  you're familiar with and like you know, we're going to be
• 44:38
  around where you're at. Do you have it?
• 44:40
  Do you have a feel for what the, you know, like ideally what
• 44:44
  you'd go through AK or 3K in like where you look to?
• 44:48
  We have some markers or more. Just go with the flow of the
• 44:52
  race, noting that you don't want to go any quicker than blah.
• 44:55
  I'm just going to go with the flow of the race.
• 44:56
  But after the first K, if I'm running any faster than like a
• 44:59
  255, I know I'm overshooting it. So we just need to like pull a
• 45:03
  black like once I'm around 3K, if I'm between like 8:45 and
• 45:10
  8:40 around then like I'll sort of know and I'll sort of go from
• 45:14
  there. But like ideally it will
• 45:17
  probably be a big kick down. That's the thing.
• 45:20
  So even if it is slow, I sort of need to like remind myself that
• 45:24
  like, it will get faster and you can make up so much time in that
• 45:29
  last kilometer, 800 meters. So like, I'm not going to win
• 45:33
  it. So it's literally just to try
• 45:35
  and run as fast as I can. If we take away the the illness
• 45:39
  thing, do you think potentially you could be in PB shape or?
• 45:45
  I'd say I'm there thereabouts, but yeah, I like, look, I really
• 45:50
  don't know. I wasn't expecting to run 827
• 45:52
  there a couple of weeks ago. So I really don't know what
• 45:54
  shape I'm in, being brutally honest.
• 45:56
  And now this illness is after like sort of putting a wee bit
• 45:59
  of a dampener on it, but like it's not the end of the world.
• 46:03
  Like I literally have like like 8 weeks of good training under
• 46:06
  my belt. Like sort of bigger picture,
• 46:09
  like I'm sort of looking at November time for the cross
• 46:12
  country over here. Like this is just to get me
• 46:14
  rolling again. So like isn't.
• 46:16
  That mad that you've you've got you've done 8 weeks, say the
• 46:19
  first four weeks was bloody fat camp where you're just jogging
• 46:22
  mainly and doing a little bit of light threshold and now you're
• 46:26
  like considering are you in five KPB shape or not?
• 46:29
  It's crazy how fast you can get it back.
• 46:32
  Like I was 11 weeks off running as well.
• 46:35
  Like, yeah, so look, that's what I'm like.
• 46:38
  It's actually good to hear this on from your side as well
• 46:41
  because like when you're injured at the time, you're like, oh
• 46:43
  shit, I'm never going to get back to where I was.
• 46:45
  But most of the time after an injury, like your body so
• 46:48
  recovered, like you actually come back stronger.
• 46:49
  So like in a way it's shape, but it's exciting as well.
• 46:52
  Yes, a big episode coming next week.
• 46:54
  We'll have dual race recaps from the we.
• 46:57
  Might have we might have to record on the on the Monday.
• 47:01
  We'll talk about that after. But then yeah, my Sunday because
• 47:04
  I'm racing like like around I think it's around half five.
• 47:08
  We might just postpone the pot if it's possible.
• 47:11
  You mean you don't just want to sit here the morning of your big
• 47:15
  race and just shoot the shit? I really don't, as much as I
• 47:19
  love you guys. What about if if there's a live
• 47:23
  stream, the main theme could like record over the live stream
• 47:27
  and compensate on your face? Actually, it's actually live on
• 47:30
  TV. Yeah, you you'll have to will it
• 47:33
  be on YouTube? Like will there be a link that
• 47:34
  we can share with people to possibly will be on Athletics
• 47:38
  Ireland YouTube channel? But yeah, I'll, I'll keep this
• 47:41
  updated. I know, but Athletics Island is
• 47:44
  is what is where likely we'll find a link presumably or if you
• 47:48
  have a VPN do any use of VPN What's it called a dodgy box or
• 47:52
  something like that. No, no, this is probably that's
• 47:54
  a strange different yeah yeah, if VPN you're able to like
• 47:56
  change your location so you can get all the Irish TV then but
• 48:01
  I'll we need probably will be like you back here.
• 48:03
  Pardon, we need you back here to get to sort that I assume?
• 48:08
  No, I'll send there probably will be a stream all.
• 48:10
  Right, Ireland is, is Ireland impacted by these new
• 48:14
  regulations that the the UK have been regarding the IP address
• 48:19
  and privacy and stuff like have you seen this on X people are as
• 48:24
  maybe this isn't appropriate for the part that we'll talk about
• 48:27
  after. I think I know what you're on
• 48:30
  about. I don't.
• 48:30
  I'm not sure. That people in the UK are
• 48:32
  getting VPNs to like ping their IP address outside the UK
• 48:36
  because of restrictions that have been put on.
• 48:40
  No, I don't know if that affected her hand.
• 48:43
  Anyway, if if I can update my upgrade my data plan then maybe
• 48:48
  I can live stream Dean Dean's half marathon as well from the
• 48:51
  phone? Oh yeah, go live and easy double
• 48:54
  Instagram. All right then this training
• 48:59
  week, so exciting ahead the next week then we'll I'll look
• 49:03
  forward to next week's episode. And any update on the On Foot
• 49:08
  watch? Not worth it.
• 49:10
  Nothing changed. Yes, it's another way like wait
• 49:14
  and see, right? Another week, yeah, of well I
• 49:17
  did. I got two more treatments of
• 49:19
  this. I think it's called
• 49:20
  ionthroposis, which is the cortisone injection, but without
• 49:26
  the injection elements, electrical impulse through the
• 49:29
  skin and it tapes it up every time as well.
• 49:32
  So like holds it in a certain position.
• 49:36
  Yeah, that's all now. And we've got two more coming up
• 49:38
  this week so yeah, we'll see. Running news.
• 49:45
  We've got to talk about math Fox boys.
• 49:46
  He's. Back.
• 49:47
  Back with a bang. Yes, you think he heard us in
• 49:51
  wherever he was last week when we were joking about Matthew Cox
• 49:55
  Sydney lineup. What the hell?
• 49:58
  Yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, maybe.
• 50:01
  Yeah. Excited.
• 50:02
  Excited did you have? He posted on his Strava, didn't
• 50:06
  he? Yes, well, I'll go on you.
• 50:08
  Oh. You went digging?
• 50:10
  When? What did?
• 50:12
  I don't know where it came up. Was it?
• 50:14
  Oh, I, I mentioned I got kudos. Yeah.
• 50:17
  And then I went on to his Strava to look at him.
• 50:20
  And his most recent post was like, 2018.
• 50:24
  And then I just clicked on it. And in the middle of all the
• 50:28
  comments he had wrote a little section explaining that he's out
• 50:32
  and yeah, he done a bad thing and all.
• 50:34
  And I think he's in the Gold Coast at the moment because
• 50:37
  that's where he's from, isn't it?
• 50:39
  Yeah, but yeah, he's out. And then I think later on he
• 50:43
  posted a run. I think he's extremely unfit, so
• 50:46
  he won't be running Sydney. But no, it's not not nice to see
• 50:50
  anyone ever locked away, especially for something that's
• 50:53
  legal in another country. But yeah, he he did do, he
• 50:57
  committed the crime, but. And he served.
• 51:01
  Yeah, he did. Well, he didn't serve all the
• 51:02
  time. I don't know if you're
• 51:03
  interested to see what his opinion on it.
• 51:05
  So, So for context, right, like because I don't know if we've
• 51:10
  ever spoken about Matt Fox or Sweat Elite, have we?
• 51:14
  I can't remember, but in much detail, yeah.
• 51:18
  But he, so he's a runner himself.
• 51:20
  He's run under 220 for the marathon and sort of has vlogged
• 51:25
  a lot of his experiences. But he started up like a company
• 51:28
  called Sweat Elite quite some time ago.
• 51:31
  And I do remember he used to, it used to be a lot of written
• 51:35
  content, but you would, you would subscribe to his articles
• 51:38
  and he'd write like there would be written articles that you
• 51:41
  would be able to read and learn about like insights into
• 51:44
  different training groups and, and those sorts of things.
• 51:47
  And then he moved and like during COVID in particular, I
• 51:51
  think, right, he, he really got into like creating these really
• 51:54
  good YouTube videos. And yeah.
• 51:58
  And they were, they were amazing.
• 51:59
  Like I think the style that he sort of had in terms of
• 52:03
  following an athlete capturing some of their like key training
• 52:06
  sessions, like almost like when they get to the specific part of
• 52:09
  their training blocks. And he was, he was regularly
• 52:11
  right, travelling Europe and North America and Africa and
• 52:15
  getting like the biggest name since all the distance running.
• 52:18
  And I think it sort of blew up during COVID.
• 52:20
  Yeah, it was the first of its kind in a way, as in like Strava
• 52:24
  wasn't big back then. You didn't know what any of
• 52:26
  these elite runners were doing, what their training was.
• 52:29
  So he was sort of like the inside view of like what they're
• 52:32
  doing now. A lot of the runners have their
• 52:34
  own YouTube channels and they're making money off it.
• 52:37
  So it's what elite that sort of YouTube channel is sort of dead,
• 52:41
  but he's some gems on that YouTube channel.
• 52:44
  They're really, really good. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:47
  And it was sort of like you say, I think the the IT was sort of
• 52:50
  like the first in its con, wasn't it, in terms of and, and
• 52:52
  a lot of people maybe have piggybacked off the success,
• 52:56
  success of those videos, but they got a lot of views as well.
• 52:59
  I think and, and, and sort of debunked a lot of the mystery
• 53:04
  around what some of these athletes were doing in terms of
• 53:07
  ahead of like some of their like key races.
• 53:09
  It was really cool. And then sort of off the back of
• 53:12
  that started doing a lot of podcast content, didn't he?
• 53:16
  A lot of his own either partnering with someone else or
• 53:19
  just keep sharing his own insights into the industry and
• 53:22
  how competitive it is, how difficult it is maybe to sort of
• 53:25
  secure athletes to participate in these videos and sort of some
• 53:29
  of the financial insurance and outs as well as sort of did some
• 53:34
  of his try lucky training series ahead of some of the races that
• 53:37
  he did. And then sort of very recently
• 53:40
  was sort of what he undertook a bit of a challenge of running a
• 53:43
  was it a marathon a month for 12 months was sort of the
• 53:46
  challenge. He was on a sub 220, that's it,
• 53:49
  a sub 220 marathon a month for 12 months and then it all sort
• 53:54
  of shit the bed in, in Japan. What, four months ago where he,
• 54:02
  yeah, it was sort of made public that he'd brought in, is it
• 54:05
  cannabis into the into, into Japan and form a, a cannabis or
• 54:10
  something like that. There's TNC gummies or whatever
• 54:13
  it was. Yeah, which is like extremely
• 54:16
  frowned upon in like that Japanese culture, like they're
• 54:18
  anti drug. But in America, where he's from,
• 54:22
  it is legal. Yeah.
• 54:24
  I'll be honest, like his IMO podcast series, like as as
• 54:30
  controversial or as like kind of funny as it was like it's quite
• 54:34
  inspirational, especially like when we were setting this up
• 54:37
  because he just fire all these shots off and just like voices
• 54:40
  opinion without any cares in the world.
• 54:43
  I don't think he realized he was being controversial either.
• 54:45
  He was just like saying it how it was in his eyes at least.
• 54:49
  And I can relate because like pre doing the podcast that you
• 54:53
  think you have all these big ideas and like these opinions
• 54:56
  and stuff and then you come to record it and put it out.
• 55:00
  Maybe I shouldn't, maybe I shouldn't say that.
• 55:03
  So fair play to him. But yeah, so good to see him.
• 55:07
  Well, because. Yeah.
• 55:08
  And so I suppose then for further context, right, like
• 55:11
  this all happened. He closed down all of his
• 55:14
  businesses and no one. And for a fairly public figure,
• 55:17
  we didn't hear or learn of him or learn about his whereabouts
• 55:21
  for, for up until Saturday, right.
• 55:24
  And then found and then he, he posted on his rather page to say
• 55:28
  that sort of he's back and yeah. And and that he'll be releasing
• 55:33
  AI, don't know if he titled it, it'll be an IMO.
• 55:37
  But yeah, we'll obviously be tuning in when that comes out.
• 55:40
  I'd love to see the analytics on that episode.
• 55:43
  The the retention rate must be pretty high.
• 55:47
  Maybe one of us needs to pull the shorts straw and go and do a
• 55:49
  few months to get the viewers up.
• 55:56
  What country? I'll let you do it in Ireland
• 56:00
  mate, don't worry, it's fine. No, I'd rather not.
• 56:07
  OK. Then I think we've covered that
• 56:10
  one off, do you think? Yeah, so YouTube Diaries, give
• 56:13
  some of them sweat elite old videos or watch they're they're
• 56:16
  really, really good. Another big piece of news which
• 56:19
  I was reading this week. So you know everything which
• 56:22
  went went on with Grand Slam track and how they shut it down
• 56:25
  early and cancelled the last meet and then it was all kind of
• 56:28
  like up in the air Grand Slam were claiming that they'd be
• 56:32
  back next year and like it was a success.
• 56:35
  These three meets were great ones like we just whatever they
• 56:40
  weren't trying to take any accountability or like
• 56:42
  acknowledge the seriousness or realness of the situation, I
• 56:46
  guess. And then it's come out this week
• 56:48
  that they owe 13 million to athletes and they didn't pay for
• 56:55
  the Miami track, which was of the second meet.
• 56:59
  So I found it quite astounding that they had to rent the track
• 57:03
  for 78,000 U.S. dollars which is like.
• 57:06
  A lot of money for. It was only like a little high
• 57:09
  school track as well. It wasn't as if it was like a
• 57:11
  major stadium. But they missed the first
• 57:14
  payment for that, had the deadline extended, missed that
• 57:18
  again. So these are like. 30K
• 57:20
  instalments that they were due to pay and they couldn't make
• 57:23
  them. So then actual some details came
• 57:27
  out so MJ has been getting Michael Johnson, who's obviously
• 57:30
  set it all up. He's been in the firing line in
• 57:33
  quite a big way because, well, I'll tell you what's happened
• 57:37
  and then we'll see. So an 8 figure investor attended
• 57:42
  the Kingston meet, which is the first one in Jamaica.
• 57:45
  And following this, they pulled their investments.
• 57:49
  And now this is where MJ has been getting so much blame
• 57:53
  because apparently the investment was only committed to
• 57:56
  the level of putting a term sheet in place.
• 58:00
  Like there was no actual contracts.
• 58:02
  They never physically had any of the money.
• 58:04
  And then they've done all this marked in on 100K per win and
• 58:08
  gone big, obviously with what they've spent.
• 58:10
  Like apparently the athletes were getting treated like
• 58:12
  royalty, which you would expect, but they actually didn't have
• 58:17
  the money to be doing it yet. And then that guy or woman or
• 58:20
  firm have withdrew their investment or their commitments,
• 58:24
  shall we say, after only the first race.
• 58:28
  And then it seems like Grand Slam have just been kind of
• 58:30
  putting on a front for the second and third one, trying to
• 58:33
  smile through the pain and pretend like it wasn't real.
• 58:36
  And then after the third one, they've gone.
• 58:38
  Yeah, this. This isn't sustainable.
• 58:41
  Not good, not good as well because it's like, I don't know,
• 58:44
  you know, the sort of athletics is sort of you sort of hear all
• 58:49
  these stories like even like this, like chatting with Izzy.
• 58:51
  Like you learn about how hard people have to work and sort of
• 58:54
  the things they have to do on the side to sort of maintain
• 58:58
  enough financial assistance to be able to sort of participate
• 59:01
  in running full time. And this was sort of pretty
• 59:04
  exciting. We're a sort of athletes first
• 59:06
  and sort of large financial incentive for athletes.
• 59:09
  So it's sort of the fact that it's the first of its kind and
• 59:12
  it's got completely and the wheels have fallen off during
• 59:15
  the first sort of, you know, attempt at a not good, I don't
• 59:19
  think. It'll seem like it's a bit of
• 59:20
  incompetence, like, doesn't it? I'm not saying MJ is solely to
• 59:24
  blame, but like from a business decision point of view, like how
• 59:28
  could they not have had like proper advice on how so like
• 59:31
  proceed with that rather than just going full steam ahead.
• 59:35
  Particularly if you're talking so that's at least 10 million
• 59:37
  bucks, right, Eight figures, is it?
• 59:40
  So like, like how you're not pretty watertight on your, you
• 59:44
  know, on the contractual negotiations with that said
• 59:47
  investor. Like it's sort of all hangs off
• 59:49
  that I don't get how this this stuff happens.
• 59:53
  Like there's so many people involved in something like this.
• 59:56
  And like, it must be like doing your unaccounted, like it must
• 1:00:00
  be clear from the start that it wasn't adding up.
• 1:00:02
  Or like doing the money they would have to make to actually
• 1:00:06
  like even just get to the next year, like between athletes even
• 1:00:09
  paying 77,000 for a facility, like how does it add up?
• 1:00:15
  Yeah, normally before you sort of proceed with anything, you
• 1:00:17
  sort of have to like spec it all out, right?
• 1:00:20
  Like in terms of you, before you make a decision to go or no go,
• 1:00:24
  you sort of, yeah, you know, you know, you sort of need to
• 1:00:27
  account for all of your costs and then work out whether and
• 1:00:30
  what sort of return you're expecting to get.
• 1:00:32
  And before you make a sort of decision.
• 1:00:34
  And, you know, like I'd be and sort of as Ryan mentioned, like
• 1:00:39
  you'd have an idea on those costs.
• 1:00:41
  And I think those costs sounds like it would all be managed,
• 1:00:43
  but you would probably have something more substantial like
• 1:00:46
  in terms of that, like in principle term sheet, you would
• 1:00:49
  have something more firmly agreed and well understood like,
• 1:00:53
  because that's essentially what's bankrolling this whole
• 1:00:55
  operation. It's I don't think it otherwise
• 1:00:57
  was like, what were the revenue streams otherwise?
• 1:01:00
  Because I don't, I do they monetize the television rights
• 1:01:02
  and stuff all that Well, like, I don't think so.
• 1:01:04
  Like we didn't tip in any money to watch it.
• 1:01:06
  And the stadium was not like that.
• 1:01:09
  Jamaica made the stadium, the atmosphere looked non existent,
• 1:01:12
  didn't it? So which is what probably led to
• 1:01:14
  them looking at being able to back out.
• 1:01:17
  But you the fact that they were able to back out within like the
• 1:01:20
  first meeting of the first event of the first year means that it
• 1:01:24
  obviously wasn't more to type the sort of the agreement they
• 1:01:28
  had for the supply of all the money for.
• 1:01:31
  Yeah. You would have thought that they
• 1:01:32
  should have secured like at least like a multi year
• 1:01:35
  commitment or investment from them and would have said like
• 1:01:40
  listen, we're going to be a bit of a disruptor.
• 1:01:41
  Like we might not be received so well initially, but as the
• 1:01:46
  product is shown and people start to enjoy it, then the buy
• 1:01:49
  in will come and like the return on investment might be year
• 1:01:52
  three-year 4, Year 5, whatever. But that's the fact that they're
• 1:01:56
  just gone. Pulled the ghosty straight away.
• 1:01:59
  And like the conditions for them to be able to bail on it, like
• 1:02:01
  you'd want that to be, you know, but they obviously did something
• 1:02:04
  that allowed them to break, you know, break contract, break the
• 1:02:08
  contract, right? So in the term sheet worrying.
• 1:02:13
  I'd love to see the financials on that stupid drink that I had
• 1:02:16
  to go at the Gold 1. How much do you pay in them?
• 1:02:23
  Well, not. And there was there was clearly
• 1:02:28
  some sort of like social media element to it all as well.
• 1:02:32
  Because if you notice, like there's Cupertier and Carl
• 1:02:37
  Hawker, like they have their Sova channel, don't they?
• 1:02:40
  And Josh Kerr coincidentally around inception of Grand Slam,
• 1:02:44
  started his own one and they were all posting like regular
• 1:02:47
  videos and stuff. And then since Grand Slams fell
• 1:02:50
  away that they've done one or two but not the way that they
• 1:02:53
  were. So you'd imagine that was part
• 1:02:55
  they were getting paid for their YouTube stuff as well.
• 1:02:58
  Definitely, yeah, I know that. Was all some of the news then on
• 1:03:01
  British Champs before we get to the USA is key apparently.
• 1:03:05
  I haven't confirm this or not, but I did say it from a decent
• 1:03:10
  source that Keely Hodgkinson hasn't accepted her invite to
• 1:03:13
  the British 8800 meter Championships ahead of the
• 1:03:17
  deadline which is now passed. So if that's true, that's a
• 1:03:21
  shame, a massive shame. But on the flip side of things,
• 1:03:25
  I don't know if you remember a girl called Phoebe Gill, She
• 1:03:28
  only like literally came on the scene last year.
• 1:03:30
  She was like 17 or even 16 maybe at the time.
• 1:03:34
  And she was still like standing on the start line in a club vest
• 1:03:37
  and stuff. And she ended up, I think she
• 1:03:39
  won British champs and she went to the Olympics at 17 and got to
• 1:03:44
  the semis. She hasn't raced all year either
• 1:03:48
  since January, but she has accepted her invite, so
• 1:03:52
  hopefully she can be in there against Georgia, Hunter Bell and
• 1:03:55
  Gemma Ricci. Keely has a while.
• 1:03:58
  She's true anyway, isn't she? To world champs she doesn't have
• 1:04:01
  to run British. That's.
• 1:04:02
  True. Yeah, because she is still
• 1:04:05
  supposedly meant to make a return at one of those Diamond
• 1:04:09
  League meets I was mentioning before.
• 1:04:11
  Either C Elsa or Lazanne. So like that'll be the real
• 1:04:14
  telltale. If she pulls out of that then
• 1:04:17
  you really are starting to doubt the world champs.
• 1:04:20
  But surely you can't just turn up to world champs heats as you
• 1:04:24
  as your opener regardless of how well training is going?
• 1:04:27
  You need some sort of race hit out in their heads of it, don't
• 1:04:30
  you? She posts something on her
• 1:04:31
  Instagram reel of her like ripping around the track
• 1:04:34
  yesterday. I think so.
• 1:04:36
  She's she's been dead active. That's the only positive thing.
• 1:04:39
  Must all be part of the plan. So yeah, can't be too unfit.
• 1:04:43
  Nothing. Anyone have a double trouble
• 1:04:46
  they need to get off the chest? My only like, I'll throw it out
• 1:04:53
  there. I was thinking a bit more about
• 1:04:55
  like the Faithkipiagon news and the fact that it was like a
• 1:04:59
  diuretic. Sorry, a like masking agent.
• 1:05:03
  Yeah. And the riff, Riff Chapman.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, sorry. Hold up.
• 1:05:12
  Sorry, is this episode 52? I've really flipped on my head
• 1:05:20
  with spicy double troubles. No, sorry.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, Ruth Chipping get it just in terms of like the fact that
• 1:05:32
  it's a masking agent just feels like it's like it's a lot more I
• 1:05:36
  I probably I think I was still just coming to terms with the
• 1:05:38
  fact that like that record like it smelled like it was a bit
• 1:05:43
  fishy at the time and it and she's gotten done and sort of
• 1:05:46
  trying to make sense of it all last week.
• 1:05:48
  Whereas when I was thinking about it a bit more like the
• 1:05:50
  fact that you're taking these masking agents talks.
• 1:05:52
  So maybe it's a bit more like sophisticated than just like,
• 1:05:55
  hey, I might take something in training, like I take a vitamin,
• 1:05:59
  but I take something else that might help me recover or do a
• 1:06:03
  bit more for me. Whereas if you're getting to the
• 1:06:05
  point where you're taking like these in high doses, this stuff
• 1:06:08
  to like flush through your system, I know it just feels
• 1:06:10
  like maybe it's even worse than what you think.
• 1:06:13
  Yeah, there's clearly a big set up going on there.
• 1:06:15
  And as you say, it doesn't, it doesn't look good, does it?
• 1:06:18
  Because they're trying to cover up something like really, really
• 1:06:20
  serious. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:23
  So yeah, that's my only thought. I've got A1A small 1 Double
• 1:06:28
  Trouble. Aussies complain and that's too
• 1:06:30
  cold. I'll just leave it there.
• 1:06:33
  Mic drop. We're not set up for the cold,
• 1:06:37
  you know that. Like we don't have what do you
• 1:06:39
  have, like heaters in your floor or something like that?
• 1:06:43
  We've got radiators on the wall. Yeah, radiators, but what even
• 1:06:46
  are they? Like people wouldn't even know
• 1:06:48
  what they are here. I don't know how to explain it.
• 1:06:52
  It's basically like this big metal thing on a wall and yeah,
• 1:06:56
  heat comes out of it. You have a big.
• 1:06:59
  Gas boiler and it just pumps boiling water to your radiator
• 1:07:03
  and then that the heat just they have one in every single bloody
• 1:07:05
  room and it gets real toasty real quick.
• 1:07:09
  Yeah, that's why it feels so much worse here, because we're
• 1:07:12
  sort of not set up to be able to, you know, warm things up,
• 1:07:16
  just like we're not set up to kill things down, pretty much.
• 1:07:22
  I also will chip in with one the gym in our apartment building.
• 1:07:30
  So it's not bad to be fair considering you literally don't
• 1:07:32
  have to leave your apartment. There's like a small dumbbell
• 1:07:37
  weight track and like a few multifunctional machines.
• 1:07:40
  You know where you can do like a couple of things on one one
• 1:07:43
  machine. And then there's one treadmill,
• 1:07:47
  1 railway, one bike and one cross trainer.
• 1:07:50
  And for some reason the power in the treadmill has been broken
• 1:07:53
  for months, so that has been off.
• 1:07:55
  I mean, that's OK because I don't need to use that anyway.
• 1:07:59
  So then I've been using the bike one day, cross trainer the next,
• 1:08:02
  just to give myself a smudge of mental stimulus in terms of
• 1:08:06
  changing it up. And then it went down before and
• 1:08:09
  the bloody cross trainer now also has no power.
• 1:08:13
  So the Tour de France motivation is going to have to remain high
• 1:08:17
  because I'm on the bike for the foreseeable.
• 1:08:19
  And then I can't even go to the bloody gym because you go go to
• 1:08:22
  walk outside to go for a walk or something.
• 1:08:24
  It's absolutely lashing down all the time.
• 1:08:26
  And is it there's no power going to the socket?
• 1:08:29
  Like can you move the elliptical to a different position?
• 1:08:32
  And that's something to do with the sockets, yeah.
• 1:08:34
  So drag it up to your room. You see a pair of light 1A step.
• 1:08:41
  You see, a Perth lad won a stage of the Tour the other night.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah, Ben O'Connor was it? Is he?
• 1:08:47
  And then another Aussie last night.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah, because there's this lad, Harry Sweeney.
• 1:08:51
  He's actually YouTube diary. We can do that next week.
• 1:08:55
  I don't know why, but he's the only cyclist I watch and he's
• 1:08:59
  got a YouTube channel because he does a bit of cooking as well.
• 1:09:01
  And he went quiet there for ages.
• 1:09:03
  And then I was looking at YouTube last night and he popped
• 1:09:05
  up and yeah, he's in that pink team EF or something in Green
• 1:09:09
  Edge, in Orica Green Edge or I don't know, some pink team named
• 1:09:13
  EF, but Ben O'Connor rides for it's like pink colours or purple
• 1:09:21
  or Ben Healy. Oh, Ben Healy.
• 1:09:24
  He's the, you see, British lad. He's like sitting like he's
• 1:09:28
  sitting like 4th or 5th overall, I think.
• 1:09:31
  Yeah, that team I follow. Gotcha, gotcha.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, no, he's doing very well. But yeah, no, there was a Perth
• 1:09:37
  lad that went off the front for like a largely Aussie, Aussie
• 1:09:41
  base team, which was cool. But yeah, have you seen the
• 1:09:44
  prize money for for like the stages and stuff like that?
• 1:09:47
  It's like minimal. No, Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Is it OK? Yeah, 11K11K per stage win and
• 1:09:54
  then even the go on. So all their money must Well,
• 1:09:58
  what's the Yeah, sorry, what's the overall money?
• 1:10:00
  Even yeah, like the GC is I think 500,000 maybe and then the
• 1:10:05
  minor jerseys are like 20 K and stuff like that.
• 1:10:09
  It's just all must be from sponsorships.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah, it's interesting that they can get away with that given how
• 1:10:14
  well, like how the following for the Tour is huge, right?
• 1:10:18
  You'd think you'd get more for a stage win.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah, because apparently the the lesser known riders, but like
• 1:10:23
  even say like for example that Aussie guy and the the Irish guy
• 1:10:26
  usually talking about there, they probably don't earn much
• 1:10:29
  money at all. But then the top, top ones are
• 1:10:31
  earning massive money, which is a big gap.
• 1:10:34
  Dean, I think you're going to give us a bit of a preview ahead
• 1:10:37
  of the USA track and field champs.
• 1:10:39
  Yeah. So these USA track and field
• 1:10:41
  champs double as what selection for the world champs that are
• 1:10:45
  coming up in Tokyo that we've sort of been talking about a
• 1:10:47
  bit. And so I think the way it works
• 1:10:52
  for if you want to get selected, so if you want to participate in
• 1:10:56
  the world champs, you need to place in the top three.
• 1:10:59
  So like different countries have their own selection criteria on
• 1:11:02
  how you sort of make a championship team for a
• 1:11:06
  particular country in but for the USA, basically they they I
• 1:11:10
  think it was it run from Thursday to Sunday mine.
• 1:11:15
  Is that right? Four days, yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah. And so, yeah, series of like
• 1:11:21
  races over those four days and sort of athletes are right
• 1:11:24
  running for national titles. But I think it's mainly, I think
• 1:11:28
  it's I said they're nationals, isn't it?
• 1:11:29
  But it's the but the main, the main goal really.
• 1:11:33
  And you sort of notice this when you're sort of watching the
• 1:11:35
  races and they're normally work really well commentated and
• 1:11:38
  streamed on YouTube. Like the commentators are always
• 1:11:41
  really well informed. They have like great backstories
• 1:11:43
  to the athletes. And I find like it's one of the
• 1:11:45
  vetted but like meets to follow. But a lot of the drama centres
• 1:11:48
  around not necessarily who wins, but who comes in the top three.
• 1:11:52
  So like whether or not you finished first or third, you're
• 1:11:55
  making the America's team. And so a lot of the drama is on
• 1:11:59
  who's 3rd and, and, and sort of who's 4th who just misses out.
• 1:12:03
  There's like an added complication now.
• 1:12:04
  It used to just be if you're in the top three, you go like, I
• 1:12:07
  think US always sort of had the ability to sort of send all
• 1:12:10
  three people. Now it gets a bit blurry because
• 1:12:13
  I think I had a quick look at the sort of criteria, but I
• 1:12:16
  think you need to sort of essentially be eligible, let's
• 1:12:19
  call it like. And so therefore either have run
• 1:12:21
  the qualifying time will sort of be within the the quota based on
• 1:12:25
  your sort of ranking points to be able to sort of be eligible
• 1:12:28
  to participate at the world champ.
• 1:12:30
  So what that's meant is in the past, someone might finish in
• 1:12:33
  the top three. And we've seen this before the
• 1:12:35
  Olympics, someone had to someone finished in the top three at say
• 1:12:39
  USA track and field didn't have the standard to sort of for
• 1:12:42
  their event. I think it was like the three K
• 1:12:44
  steeple. And then in the in the next
• 1:12:46
  week, because I think the standards close on the 24th of
• 1:12:48
  August, which is sort of in three or three to a bit weeks
• 1:12:51
  from now, they had to go out and find a really fast race to run
• 1:12:54
  the qualifying time. So putting aside the fact that
• 1:12:56
  some athletes that are that are at the track and field don't
• 1:12:59
  haven't necessarily run the time or got the ranking points,
• 1:13:01
  essentially it's the top three that go and all and all the
• 1:13:04
  excitements around watching the each other race race themselves
• 1:13:08
  onto the team of America. But I've thought I'd go through
• 1:13:12
  a few of the events, so from 800 through to 10K and mention a few
• 1:13:17
  sort of ones to maybe get excited about.
• 1:13:22
  So just for cons. So I start with like women's,
• 1:13:24
  I'll go women's through the women's and then into the men's.
• 1:13:27
  But in the women's 800, you've sort of got 3 athletes with
• 1:13:32
  inside the top 17 ranked athletes in the world.
• 1:13:36
  So the entry standard's 159 and there's 56 people that can go.
• 1:13:41
  So of that entry standard of 159, you've got 13 women that
• 1:13:45
  have already run that that standard.
• 1:13:48
  And then you've got a further, you've got 20 women all up in
• 1:13:53
  America that are either in on the quota or in by the standard.
• 1:13:57
  So you can imagine that's pretty like pretty open.
• 1:14:00
  So you've got Addison Wiley who's run 156, Sage Herder
• 1:14:03
  Clecker. So that's Joe Clecker's wife who
• 1:14:07
  runs the on track athletes, I think, but in 157 and Juliet
• 1:14:14
  Whitaker also in 157. So you've got sort of three
• 1:14:17
  athletes who who all have rankings inside sort of the top
• 1:14:22
  17. And then you've got eight other
• 1:14:25
  athletes that have all run or sorry, ten other athletes that
• 1:14:29
  have all run under 159, which is the the auto standard.
• 1:14:33
  So I just feel like that's probably a fairly open race just
• 1:14:36
  off the bat. So essentially anyone who's on
• 1:14:39
  the start line there could finish top three and then that's
• 1:14:42
  their place secured. Exactly.
• 1:14:44
  So it'll all be basically watching that race to see who
• 1:14:47
  exactly crosses the line in that top three.
• 1:14:49
  And you see them instantly like excited and elated.
• 1:14:52
  And if you're 4th, you'd be incredibly salty.
• 1:14:55
  So that's where a thing Moon missed out on the Olympics,
• 1:14:59
  didn't she? I don't know if she either
• 1:15:00
  didn't finish in the top three or like she wasn't fit to run
• 1:15:04
  the nationals. Yeah, that was it, yeah.
• 1:15:06
  Yeah, she fell, which like she prior to them was like, yeah,
• 1:15:10
  she should be a walk up star and sort of GB policy or Aussie
• 1:15:14
  policy, like they have different selection criteria.
• 1:15:16
  So it meant that she would still go, whereas that's part of the
• 1:15:20
  drama, I think, of the US is like, you can have these people
• 1:15:23
  and they could be like, say, Grant Fisher, right?
• 1:15:25
  Let's say he's sick the week of the race or injured.
• 1:15:28
  He could be, you know, in all likelihood, the best athlete in
• 1:15:32
  the team, but I think potentially not be able to
• 1:15:35
  compete. So yeah, it just adds to all the
• 1:15:37
  excitement and drama in these races.
• 1:15:40
  So women's 1500, you've got Nikki Hilts, Sinclair Johnson
• 1:15:43
  and Ellie Saint Pierre as the top three currently inside the
• 1:15:47
  rankings, but you've got 8 ladies that have all run the
• 1:15:52
  qualifying standard. And a further, yeah, again, it's
• 1:15:57
  up to 20 athletes that are all sort of inside the quota based
• 1:16:00
  on world ranking points at this point in time, noting that it's
• 1:16:03
  still open for another few weeks.
• 1:16:06
  But again that I think as you mentioned, Ron that that final
• 1:16:09
  is all going to be whoever finishes inside the top three
• 1:16:11
  goes I think. It's probably like.
• 1:16:14
  An interesting dynamic going on behind the scenes as well
• 1:16:17
  because you'd have those, the athletes who are trying to
• 1:16:21
  qualify but also are thinking about peaking properly for Tokyo
• 1:16:25
  because they're a shot at like a medal or at least get to the
• 1:16:28
  final in the actual world champs themselves.
• 1:16:31
  So they're probably trying to like.
• 1:16:33
  Peek in a way that allows them to like come back down again and
• 1:16:37
  consolidate the training and peak even higher again in
• 1:16:40
  September. But then there's probably those
• 1:16:42
  athletes who are like, their dream is to get on the team.
• 1:16:46
  So everything they'll have done this year has all been tailored
• 1:16:49
  towards and focused towards these championships.
• 1:16:53
  So like they'll be given everything next weekend and also
• 1:16:59
  obviously they'll want to run at the world champs, but they
• 1:17:02
  might. They probably know deep down
• 1:17:04
  they're not going to actually be competitive and always what it's
• 1:17:07
  about for them is to make the team.
• 1:17:09
  So it probably kind of levels the playing field somewhat as
• 1:17:12
  well in that sense. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:17:15
  Women's 5K you've got just said Andrews, Carissa Schweitzer and
• 1:17:19
  Winnie Collardy, who was, she was first in that 2019 NCAA
• 1:17:26
  final that Izzy was third in that I was talking about on the
• 1:17:29
  pod with her. But they've all run between 1425
• 1:17:32
  and 1438. They're sort of like maybe the
• 1:17:35
  stand out three. But then like 4th is like Shelby
• 1:17:38
  Houlihan. You've got like other like Elise
• 1:17:41
  Cranny as well. Sort of all.
• 1:17:44
  There's nine women that have run under 1450, which is what Izzy
• 1:17:48
  was chasing the other day, I suppose, which is the auto
• 1:17:50
  standard. So sub 1450.
• 1:17:53
  But then you've got yeah, a host of others that are sort of
• 1:17:55
  otherwise in in terms of quota. So yeah, I feel like there's
• 1:17:59
  like maybe like if a couple that have maybe stand outs in terms
• 1:18:04
  of performances, but depending on what the tactics are of those
• 1:18:07
  races should prove pretty interesting.
• 1:18:10
  And there's often heats and finals as well.
• 1:18:11
  They have to navigate and they might be doing multiple events
• 1:18:15
  which should be interesting. On that women's five Ki think
• 1:18:18
  that Parker Albie, who's maybe like the stand out is a she's
• 1:18:22
  pulled out. Yeah, so she's she's so she's
• 1:18:26
  one of only three women that are in the quota for the 10K.
• 1:18:32
  So. So the 10K, because there's only
• 1:18:34
  20, there's one straight final. There's only 27 spots and it's
• 1:18:38
  Wani Khaladi, Carissa Schweitzer and Parker Valby.
• 1:18:41
  Parker Valby is injured. Hey, is that so?
• 1:18:45
  Yeah. She's currently ranked 17th I
• 1:18:48
  think. And so yeah, so that one, I
• 1:18:54
  don't know, like maybe they maybe on roll down, maybe
• 1:18:57
  someone can get in. I'm not sure.
• 1:18:59
  But yeah, it might be interesting that one that
• 1:19:01
  because the the interesting thing that women's 10K remember
• 1:19:04
  they're like auto standards 3020, which is like silly fast,
• 1:19:07
  right? So like no one's actually no
• 1:19:10
  American woman's run that time. I mean, no, no Aussie has
• 1:19:13
  either. And that's what Izzy was talking
• 1:19:15
  about. She's sort of got an eye to
• 1:19:17
  watching these races unfold over the next few weeks because
• 1:19:20
  that'll affect whether or not she remains with within the
• 1:19:23
  quarter. But goes to like she ran 3044 on
• 1:19:27
  the road because those Rd. times and track times count.
• 1:19:30
  But that's as good as what any American woman has run, I think
• 1:19:35
  given yeah, no, no one's run under.
• 1:19:38
  So like Wayne Colada's best time is 3033.
• 1:19:43
  So like in the qualifying window.
• 1:19:45
  Must be such an unnerving position to be in that way you
• 1:19:49
  you're in, but you know you're not racing anymore yourself, but
• 1:19:52
  you know there are chances for other people to like kind of
• 1:19:55
  improve and stuff. Just got to hope for.
• 1:19:57
  The yeah, you're not watching it like we are just sort of sitting
• 1:20:00
  back and enjoying it. Yeah, but I think yeah, I mean
• 1:20:05
  it'd be hard to shift it like her to I suppose we're.
• 1:20:08
  You take some comfort. It's like it's summer in a lot
• 1:20:11
  of these. So a lot of these 10K races,
• 1:20:14
  there's only a handful that are really fast, like the world
• 1:20:16
  Override like each year. And then normally you need some
• 1:20:19
  pretty nice conditions as we're talking about like a nice cool
• 1:20:22
  Irish summer afternoon. And so you're probably not going
• 1:20:25
  to get that too often in some of these like where some of these
• 1:20:28
  mates are. So perhaps, albeit I, I suppose
• 1:20:31
  you get offered a heap of bonus points, right.
• 1:20:34
  So that's probably one thing to bear in mind is they get points
• 1:20:37
  for the actual meeting itself. And nationals is is 1 where you
• 1:20:40
  get extra points. But outside of that, you don't
• 1:20:43
  expect the times to be too fast. So.
• 1:20:45
  You might have got bait out of that one there, but I think he's
• 1:20:48
  on laughing out of the F1. Lads, F1 is rained off.
• 1:20:52
  What? It's not God haven't started
• 1:20:55
  yet. It's it's too hot.
• 1:20:56
  Oh perfect. Let's let's keep going then.
• 1:20:59
  Yeah, we're all right. Moving on to the men's, he
• 1:21:09
  either has an art, he's either doing his washing, got his
• 1:21:12
  massage gun, or it's the F1 like it's the it's one of the three,
• 1:21:16
  right? I think he's just in in the
• 1:21:19
  totems. Took a nature break before as
• 1:21:21
  well. It's past lunchtime now guys.
• 1:21:25
  This time for recording is not good for me.
• 1:21:30
  He's on his way to Red Ass I'll. Just spend juggling putting 3
• 1:21:36
  kids to bed. But Nah, it's all good.
• 1:21:43
  All right. Men's 800.
• 1:21:45
  We've got Bryce Hopple, Josh Howey and Donovan Brazier.
• 1:21:51
  They've all run they're all with inside the top 12.
• 1:21:54
  They've all run ridiculously fast and they've all met the the
• 1:21:57
  order qualifying time of 144.57 men have in total 6 is Hob,
• 1:22:04
  Hobbs, Kessler, Jonah Kovich is in there with like a 140.
• 1:22:08
  There's there's six guys that have run under 144, which is
• 1:22:12
  insanely fast. And it looks like there's up to
• 1:22:15
  59 guys. So probably, let's say the
• 1:22:18
  final, most of the guys in the final are probably are in or or
• 1:22:22
  sorry eligible. So that one I feel like should
• 1:22:24
  be a good race because like, I don't know, I'd like to see
• 1:22:27
  Hobbs Kessler do very well, but he's sort of got his work cut
• 1:22:31
  out right? Like so he raced at the
• 1:22:33
  Olympics. He did the eight 1500 double,
• 1:22:35
  didn't he? And yeah, so the hope is that he
• 1:22:38
  sort of makes it in there, but he's sort of got his work cut
• 1:22:41
  out that Josh Howey has to be probably favorite, right?
• 1:22:44
  I know Bryce Hoppel has a quicker time within this
• 1:22:49
  qualifying window from the Olympics, from last year, from
• 1:22:53
  2020. Yeah, 2024.
• 1:22:55
  But Josh Howey's sort of like the man in form, you see,
• 1:22:59
  because it's raw racing. Like it's not a time trial.
• 1:23:02
  It's literally anyone's game. That's that's why the Usas are
• 1:23:05
  so, so good to watch. There's so much on the line and
• 1:23:08
  yeah, no one, no one is going to want to take it out.
• 1:23:11
  But some of them, the 800, maybe you can, right?
• 1:23:13
  They like, do you remember when I think it was ahead of the
• 1:23:16
  Olympics because are Hobbs Kessler and Bryce Hopper, are
• 1:23:20
  they training partners? They're trained together anyway.
• 1:23:22
  Sometimes last year they might have different sponsors or
• 1:23:25
  something, but they definitely. But they basically like, I
• 1:23:29
  thought they were like 1-2 together, Like they sort of knew
• 1:23:31
  what they were doing to. I feel like the 800 is more
• 1:23:34
  likely where you can front run that.
• 1:23:35
  But anything after that is like, it's just every man from a woman
• 1:23:39
  for themselves, right? Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  They that's that one. 1500 top three.
• 1:23:45
  Cole Hawker, Yarodna Goose, Hobbs Kessler 4th is Josh Hoey
• 1:23:49
  5th. Djonekovic, Vincent Coladi,
• 1:23:52
  Grant Fisher, Ethan Strand, Gary Martin, like couple of like high
• 1:23:56
  school, sorry, college phenoms as they're probably referred to.
• 1:24:00
  So there's sort of 12 all within sort of the quota.
• 1:24:06
  But yeah, I mean, presumably Grant Fisher doesn't race, but I
• 1:24:08
  reckon the the rest of those guys too.
• 1:24:11
  And what often I feel like happens is someone like Ethan
• 1:24:14
  Strand or Gary Martin, like those top college guys who are
• 1:24:17
  just in red hot form in college, who know how, who've raced a lot
• 1:24:20
  and know how to win and are really confident cause an upset
• 1:24:23
  often in like the 1500 or 5K. So that's what Grand Blancs did
• 1:24:28
  ahead of the Olympics last year, right?
• 1:24:31
  So the US Olympic trials. So I feel like that'll be a
• 1:24:34
  really fun race to watch. Even though yeah, because the.
• 1:24:38
  Ethan Strand actually came third but didn't have the qualifying
• 1:24:42
  time. Yeah.
• 1:24:44
  So drop down to Grand Blanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:49
  And that was part of the, that's where it all gets a bit messed
• 1:24:51
  up. Now is like some of these people
• 1:24:53
  in the races, they need to run on the day, they need to run top
• 1:24:56
  three, but then some of them are trying to run the standard in
• 1:24:58
  the race maybe or then they know they have like 2 weeks to go and
• 1:25:01
  run the standard. It all gets a bit gets far, a
• 1:25:03
  bit more complicated rather than just you finishing the race
• 1:25:06
  knowing you're getting a ticket and then you you know you're
• 1:25:08
  going. Yeah, if Kesla's got his work
• 1:25:11
  cut out in the 800, he certainly has in the 50 into.
• 1:25:14
  It's ridiculous, the depth pack you'd.
• 1:25:16
  Think Negus and Hawker take two of the spots for sure, and then
• 1:25:19
  the third one's kind of open, but it's not to say it's
• 1:25:22
  Kessler's because there's like four or five who could go to.
• 1:25:25
  Who would you tip if you were to pick one?
• 1:25:27
  Negus. Sorry, I mean, so let's say
• 1:25:29
  Cole, Hawker, Yarod, Negus. You can't pick them.
• 1:25:32
  Who's your other tip? I'll read the name.
• 1:25:33
  So Kessler, Hoey Kovich. Is it Vincent Ciardi?
• 1:25:37
  Ciardi Fisher? I don't think Fisher will do it.
• 1:25:40
  Ethan Strand or Gary Martin if it's sitting kick.
• 1:25:44
  I nearly put money on Hoey. Do you reckon he'll do it?
• 1:25:47
  I doubt it. I think he'll just go.
• 1:25:48
  All in 800. Just in the 800.
• 1:25:50
  Hey, so I'll go Kessler. I'll go.
• 1:25:54
  I'll go. Gary Martin, a Brooks man.
• 1:25:57
  He's a Brooks man as well. Shout out to rent in Japan.
• 1:26:03
  You're paying 20 to ones on Gary Martin.
• 1:26:07
  So I did, I did have a look, I jumped on bet 365 to try and
• 1:26:11
  find odds for this. And there's no, there's no
• 1:26:14
  lines, no, there's nothing. That's where athletics, I think
• 1:26:17
  is missing a a trick like if you, you know, gamble
• 1:26:22
  responsibly. But if you're able to do that
• 1:26:24
  and you're able to then hypothesize over with your sort
• 1:26:27
  of knowledge for this sort of stuff that the Let's Run podcast
• 1:26:31
  ahead of the US track and fields will get a lot more listeners
• 1:26:33
  when people are trying to profit from their knowledge, you know?
• 1:26:37
  Oh, so you're just thinking about an A growth tactic for us
• 1:26:40
  there as well if we started talking about probabilities and
• 1:26:44
  stuff for them people that TuneIn to us?
• 1:26:46
  I promise, if we're talking about retiring from our day jobs
• 1:26:50
  after episode 50, that's probably the only way I can
• 1:26:53
  actually foreseeably make it happen.
• 1:26:57
  Just taking that to the moon. I still got that Grant Fisher
• 1:26:59
  money burning a hole in my account actually.
• 1:27:02
  But I don't, I don't think any of us.
• 1:27:05
  On that, like you need to be good at tipping for that to be
• 1:27:07
  the case. I don't think any of us
• 1:27:09
  mentioned the Kenyan guy for the 15 at the London Diamond League,
• 1:27:13
  did we? And he just blitz Josh Kerr.
• 1:27:16
  Yeah, that's from Fairpoint actually.
• 1:27:20
  But again, if you had money writing on it, I reckon you'd
• 1:27:23
  study the form guide a little bit more closely.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah, rather than. Just being so emotional and
• 1:27:27
  going with the big name. We just wanted, yeah, we were
• 1:27:30
  just going with who we wanted to see when 5K and 10K.
• 1:27:33
  So 5K, Grant Fisher, Nico Young, Grand Blanks, they I think are
• 1:27:38
  the standouts all run between 12:44 and 12:48.
• 1:27:41
  And then you've got Cooper Tier and Cole Hocker that have also
• 1:27:43
  run under the 13 O1 standard. And then there's Dylan Jacobs
• 1:27:47
  and Morgan Beadleskim that have also with inside the quota.
• 1:27:51
  Willie Kincaid sits just outside.
• 1:27:54
  I don't know, I just think it's the top three.
• 1:27:57
  I would struggle to if I start right, just is so stacked.
• 1:28:03
  Yeah, but who do you you can't look outside the first three
• 1:28:06
  though, can you? No, but like I sort of want
• 1:28:09
  Cooper tier to qualify to like get through as well because he's
• 1:28:12
  just like a nice guy And he was it one of the Grand Slam mates
• 1:28:16
  where he just kicked kicked over the top of everyone, right.
• 1:28:19
  So it could be in a sit and kick.
• 1:28:21
  It could be possible, right? I actually done Orion on him and
• 1:28:25
  I asked him about that. I just learned to his DM and
• 1:28:27
  like, oh, what do you think of the new structure?
• 1:28:30
  The new structure 26. And he actually replied, yeah,
• 1:28:33
  yeah. What was his?
• 1:28:34
  What was his feedback? He was saying that it's softer
• 1:28:38
  but still stable. And then I was like, oh, when
• 1:28:41
  are you coming on the pod? And he's like, oh, yeah, I
• 1:28:43
  listen to his every week. You tell him to get in line.
• 1:28:48
  Yeah. He's like, he's not Olympian
• 1:28:50
  yet, so we can't he's not on our list.
• 1:28:54
  I'm. Offended I've I've probably
• 1:28:55
  actually got unread messages too.
• 1:29:04
  Yeah. What are the out of interest
• 1:29:07
  structures? What are they like?
• 1:29:09
  Are they a trainer? Yeah, it's just a stability
• 1:29:11
  issue. So it just supports your arch as
• 1:29:14
  well. But he uses them for like for
• 1:29:18
  let's say some like faster stuff as well.
• 1:29:21
  So then when you get into your actual speed shoe, you're like
• 1:29:24
  whoa. Because if you can run fast in a
• 1:29:25
  slow shoe, you're going to run fast in a fast shoe basically.
• 1:29:28
  So it just makes you work that little bit harder.
• 1:29:30
  What phones have they got in them?
• 1:29:33
  Some Zoom X stuff. I think it is some sort of like
• 1:29:36
  what plush bouncing Nike phone? I'm actually not too sure.
• 1:29:40
  Don't call me on that one, but I like the 25.
• 1:29:43
  Yeah, interesting. I remember you know when they
• 1:29:45
  were on next Gen. track and field.
• 1:29:48
  That was their YouTube channel initially.
• 1:29:50
  They used to buzz off the structure even back then.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could. Likes it as well.
• 1:29:57
  I've never worn a pair. That's interesting.
• 1:29:59
  Men's 10K, Grant Fisher, Nico Young, Graham Blanks again, all
• 1:30:04
  under 27 minutes. Qualifying standard is 27 flat.
• 1:30:08
  The other person with the standard is Willie Kincaid and
• 1:30:14
  gosh, Willie Kincaid and Nico Youngs time date back to the
• 1:30:19
  16th of March 2024. That's insane that that time
• 1:30:23
  counts them for a race in September 2025.
• 1:30:26
  They must have just done it when the quota opened or something
• 1:30:29
  like that. That's that's unbelievable.
• 1:30:33
  And then yeah, those are the only guys like the, the other
• 1:30:37
  guys aren't even in the quota. Again, the 10K is just so hard
• 1:30:40
  because it's only 27 spots. So you've really got to be right
• 1:30:43
  at the pointy end and 27 minutes under 27 minutes is just silly.
• 1:30:47
  So again, I can't see, I couldn't tip anyone outside the
• 1:30:50
  top three. I don't know, those guys have
• 1:30:52
  just been ridiculously dominant. I just think it would be those 3
• 1:30:56
  box trifecta. Yeah, the only the only dynamic
• 1:30:59
  I would highlight which could influence it is for people in
• 1:31:02
  that five and 10K who are trying to double.
• 1:31:05
  They might get caught out with the second one and like someone
• 1:31:08
  who solely focuses on. Whether it's the five or the.
• 1:31:11
  10K final, which comes as the latter.
• 1:31:14
  Someone could come through there, but you think that the
• 1:31:17
  strongest guys are hard to look past.
• 1:31:20
  Oh, here, Dark Horse. Do you remember a guy called
• 1:31:22
  Drew Hunter? Oh yes, yeah, he's cool.
• 1:31:26
  Phenom. Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  So he's back and he's sponsored by ASIC now and he ran like 330
• 1:31:34
  something for the 15. Yeah, he's and I think he's
• 1:31:38
  solely just focusing on the 5K for these American trials.
• 1:31:42
  So I'd say keep an eye on him. He'd be he'd be good odds.
• 1:31:46
  Hey, do you have a was it this was it ADMR or something that he
• 1:31:50
  was that he won? He like came from the clouds to
• 1:31:54
  win a high school like distance medley, like a or like 4 by mile
• 1:31:59
  or something like that. Have you seen that finish?
• 1:32:01
  No, no, I'll find it and share it.
• 1:32:04
  It's a good YouTube clip. But yeah, that's them.
• 1:32:07
  So that's the USA track and field sort of running for the
• 1:32:10
  next, you know, 5 or so days starting on Thursday.
• 1:32:13
  So this is a very suiting time to say and wouldn't it be great
• 1:32:18
  if we just all had one platform where we could all chat about
• 1:32:21
  these these results and races with our listeners and we could
• 1:32:24
  all engage together and all share our opinions and follow it
• 1:32:28
  live. If only.
• 1:32:31
  If only there was a clubhouse. I think that's us for the night
• 1:32:39
  though. We might.
• 1:32:41
  So that that was really good though, Dean, thanks for that.
• 1:32:43
  And then I guess the pressure's on for me as a breath to do some
• 1:32:46
  sort of justification ahead of the British champs now, which is
• 1:32:49
  the following week. So we've got some good racing
• 1:32:52
  action coming up to engage in. And likewise, if any of the
• 1:32:56
  listeners are like keen followers of the US scene or the
• 1:32:59
  British scene and you have opinions, like let us know.
• 1:33:01
  I'm sure we'll put some stories and polls up.
• 1:33:03
  Ahead of it. Cheers boys, that's us out for
• 1:33:06
  another week I think. Appreciate it.
• 1:33:08
  Thanks mate. Thanks for thanks for chatting.
• 1:33:11
  Short and sweet boys. Don't forget your jacket's OK
• 1:33:13
  now in Perth in your hat. Wooly hats.
• 1:33:17
  Slides out and away we go. The.