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Vince Vaughn _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _648(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Austin, Texas. I'll be doing a show there April 1st.
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  Speaker 1: That's coming up soon at ACL Live at the Moody Theater.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just prepping my material for my Netflix taping.
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  Speaker 1: And so be grateful to be down there to be
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  Speaker 1: one of the last times to see the Return of
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  Speaker 1: the Rat tour. Tickets are on sale now at theovon.com
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  Speaker 1: slash T-O-U-R. If you can make it. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: your support. Today's guest is an actor. He's known for
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  Speaker 1: just being that figure, that humor man. Wedding Crashers, Swingers, Dodgeball, Rudy,
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  Speaker 1: and the list goes on. His new movie, Mike and
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  Speaker 1: Nick and Nick and Alice, is on Hulu this Friday,
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  Speaker 1: March 27th. I had a great time with today's guest, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah! So do you have a place there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool. I've actually been thinking about moving recently.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of scared.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always scared. You are? Well, when you make a
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  Speaker 2: new purchase. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to spend any money on anything. I
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  Speaker 1: just like to kind of keep it somewhere. Until the
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  Speaker 1: devil takes it or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. And you also feel sometimes, I think, like
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  Speaker 2: this is, you know, you kind of know what you
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  Speaker 2: have and how that works. And now how does this
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  Speaker 2: change your spending and what you're doing? Because you always
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  Speaker 2: feel like, well, gosh, what happens if it goes away?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my friends said something to me the
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  Speaker 1: other day about buying a house. He goes, well, you
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  Speaker 1: could invest it in the stock market or you could
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  Speaker 1: invest it in a home. He's like, you can't live
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  Speaker 1: in the stock market. Right. And that was kind of
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  Speaker 1: interesting to me because I was like, oh, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: at least if you put your money into a home,
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  Speaker 1: then if it's going up, then you're living in it while.
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  Speaker 2: You have it. That's right. I mean, there's ways to
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  Speaker 2: look at it because I kind of looked at it
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  Speaker 2: because I never was educated in any of it. So
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  Speaker 2: as I made money, I started to figure it out more.
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  Speaker 2: But I started to look at stuff like what makes
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  Speaker 2: me money every month and then what costs you money
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  Speaker 2: every month. And so a house is kind of both
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  Speaker 2: because you have your property taxes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Especially here. And you also have your mortgage if you
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  Speaker 2: do and the stuff that goes with it. But it
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  Speaker 2: can go up in value as well. So I started
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  Speaker 2: buying rental properties that I could rent out for that
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  Speaker 2: reason because it was tangible and I could make money
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  Speaker 2: every month off it. The market, I never studied it.
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  Speaker 2: But I guess if you do the S & P,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I never spent my energy on that. But
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  Speaker 2: a house, I'm like, this neighborhood's nice. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: going up. Okay, I'll buy something here.
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  Speaker 1: Like trusting your instincts about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're more exposed to it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's where you're driving through it or something. You're seeing things. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the old thing was like, this neighborhood's not this,
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  Speaker 2: these neighborhoods are good. Now this one's not okay. I'll
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  Speaker 2: buy there. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You got to balance it with what you enjoy in
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  Speaker 2: your life. You want to be happy where you're at. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You want to get something like, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: always hate, like I never really want to invest in myself.
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  Speaker 1: I always, I'm just like a saver. I remember I
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  Speaker 1: would save my money. I would bury my money in
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  Speaker 1: the yard. I was that kind of it. I would
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  Speaker 1: go to people's homes and hide.
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  Speaker 2: Like a fucking pirate. I love that shit. You got
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  Speaker 2: a fucking treasure map and shit. I'm not even joking.
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  Speaker 1: They had these like crown royal bags when I was
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  Speaker 1: a kid and it was like the purple one with
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  Speaker 1: the gold.
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  Speaker 2: I remember those.
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  Speaker 1: And I would put my money in there and I
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  Speaker 1: would hide it in different places. I would hide it
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  Speaker 1: at friends who had better. security in their homes.
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  Speaker 2: I would hide.
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  Speaker 1: No, they had no idea. I would hide it there. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: we would steal people's silverware.
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  Speaker 2: We went to their house.
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  Speaker 1: Like we were doing like this little things we'd seen
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  Speaker 1: on like home alone. You find out it's not silver later.
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  Speaker 1: Go to the pawn shop and argue with somebody. It's
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  Speaker 1: sterling silver.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever go try to dig it up and
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  Speaker 2: couldn't find it? Oh, no. That's good.
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  Speaker 1: I always knew exactly where it was.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: I would check on it, that kind of stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: was a big barrier, like burying stuff to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that it was okay. My grandparents had a basement growing up,
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  Speaker 1: and so I think that kind of added some mystery.
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  Speaker 1: Basements always added mystery.
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  Speaker 2: Big time. And the scary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have a basement or no?
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  Speaker 2: I did. One time, everyone left the house. I was
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  Speaker 2: home by myself. I thought, I'm going to watch a
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  Speaker 2: horror movie. in the basement, because that was double scary.
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  Speaker 2: And I turned off all the lights in the house,
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  Speaker 2: because I really wanted the experience. I wasn't good at
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  Speaker 2: watching horror. I would get pressured and I'd do it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'd play it cool, but then I was fucking terrified.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like, my imagination was too strong. And I
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  Speaker 2: remember I turned this thing on and I was watching,
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  Speaker 2: it was The Evil Dead. You ever see The Evil Dead?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, that's fucking it. I got to
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  Speaker 2: a point where I had enough. And so I got
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  Speaker 2: up to run to get the lights, but I hit
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  Speaker 2: a pole and I went down. And then your mind's
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  Speaker 2: really playing tricks like this is it. It's coming in.
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  Speaker 2: But I kind of crawled, got my lights on, turned
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  Speaker 2: off the movie. I turned on every light in the house.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, basements are, well, they're a magical place because
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  Speaker 2: they can't be a place of discovery too, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: good and bad happens in a basement. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they had like those cellar doors when
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  Speaker 1: you realize that like, because I never put it together
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  Speaker 1: for the first like few times. Those are my grandparents.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a basement. And then it was these
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  Speaker 1: outside weird doors that, You mean like.
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  Speaker 2: The cellar where you had that little light come in
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  Speaker 2: and you knew you were underground? Like the outside had
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  Speaker 2: a little hole area? Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like these.
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  Speaker 1: Did y'all have some of those? Yeah, hell yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that those doors would open up and
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  Speaker 1: go down in that little staircase. Yeah, my grandparents had
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  Speaker 1: a garden. They grew up in Illinois, and so they
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  Speaker 1: had a garden outside of Peoria, just a small town
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  Speaker 1: out there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So. Yeah. From the area.
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  Speaker 1: You're from the area?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I grew up, my family originally was, you know, Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: my dad's side and then Kentucky, but ended up in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: And then my dad was a salesman. So we ended
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  Speaker 2: up in Illinois. Yeah. Oh, nice. What did he sell? Toys. Nuh-uh.
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  Speaker 2: Super cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you just had toys around the house a lot?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He had a lot of toys. He'd give me
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  Speaker 2: like samples and stuff. Samples were the best, dude. Samples
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  Speaker 2: were dope, bro. If your parent was selling- Because you
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  Speaker 2: were kind of ahead, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you had a bunch of something. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It was weird.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had one friend, his dad sold Oakley sunglasses.
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  Speaker 1: So he fucking would have like three pairs of Oakley's on.
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  Speaker 2: Like, um, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of toys did y'all have? Just kind of
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  Speaker 1: milling around.
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  Speaker 2: He became a manufacturer's rep. He did well. He was
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  Speaker 2: the first to go to college in his family. Um, and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: his dad had like a hundred acre farm and would
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  Speaker 2: work in the, and on, uh, in a, in a
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  Speaker 2: steel mill. But my dad was the first go to college.
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  Speaker 2: So they kind of moved us to better schools. That
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  Speaker 2: was their thing. We kept moving to get to better schools.
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  Speaker 2: But we weren't prepared for that because we didn't– I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know what a tutor was. Like no one had
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  Speaker 2: a tutor. So we moved to an area that was
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  Speaker 2: more academic and exposed to stuff, which was good. But
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  Speaker 2: he sold like– I love that. I don't think he
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  Speaker 2: sold this. He might have. But I love that Evel
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  Speaker 2: Knievel stunt cycle when I was a kid. But he
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  Speaker 2: sold like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and like– Oh. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was fun as shit. And then he had like– God,
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  Speaker 2: he had like these little, like those kind of bathtubs.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it was in the toy section, but not bathtubs,
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  Speaker 2: swimming pool. But it was just a big plastic circle.
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  Speaker 2: Remember those outdoor?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, were they hard ones or the soft ones? No,
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  Speaker 1: they were just like these- The rigid ones?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they would just be in the backyard in
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  Speaker 2: the summer because no one had a pool. And then
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  Speaker 2: he sold Galoob toys, whatever they sold. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Pull up that stunt cycle for me, can you?
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  Speaker 2: Evel Knievel. Did you ever have that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so, dude.
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  Speaker 2: That was so cool. You'd pull the thing and then
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  Speaker 2: it would take off. Oh, that thing. That thing was dope. Dude, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He was jumping shit and never making it. Yeah. But
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  Speaker 2: you were like, you would watch Wide World of Sports.
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  Speaker 2: And they say he's going to jump Snake Canyon. And
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  Speaker 2: then he would crash and he couldn't move. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: read somewhere that. The Daredevil. Back then, Daredevils were popular. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: they had. Yeah, well, that was a crazy thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at this.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: There's a commercial for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so dope.
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  Speaker 1: And it never did the shit it did on the commercial, dude.
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  Speaker 2: No, bro.
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  Speaker 1: It never, nothing ever did.
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  Speaker 2: No, nothing ever did. Remember when they were first coming
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  Speaker 2: out with shit that flied, it never did. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? And I wasn't good enough. I was never,
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  Speaker 2: I always needed an uncle or someone to put it together.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't good at putting stuff together. Were you?
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  Speaker 1: No, I would take it all out and I'd get
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  Speaker 1: furious or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I'd Tom Sawyer. I'd get someone that could do it,
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  Speaker 2: help me. Oh, I see.
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  Speaker 1: So you were extortionist.
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  Speaker 2: I was just, you know, I'd do certain things for
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  Speaker 2: them or could help, but I needed help with this.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I knew my limitations, Theo.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what we had.
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  Speaker 2: We had Rambo. Rambo was dope. I played with toys
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  Speaker 2: until I was older. I played with toys young. I
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  Speaker 2: loved toys. Did you? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of what toys we had.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think about it. Oh, the wrestling
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  Speaker 1: figures was huge when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Huge, super huge. I played with Smurfs, too. Did you
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  Speaker 2: ever play with Smurfs?
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  Speaker 1: We would watch Smurfs, but I couldn't understand it. They
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  Speaker 1: had those collectibles of Smurfs. You had the collectibles? Well,
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  Speaker 1: they had those little Smurfs you'd buy. But looking back,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Smurfs age as well. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: do it, yeah. Yeah. Gargamel was just weird. I think
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  Speaker 1: he got a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: One lady, Smurfette. They only had one going down.
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  Speaker 1: And there was, so yeah, there was sort of a,
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  Speaker 1: bring up Smurfette. She was kind of, she was cute,
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  Speaker 1: but she.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't have enough. She had a girl next door going.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't have enough body on her. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: But none of them did. Yeah, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point. But what was Gargamel doing there?
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  Speaker 1: Remember they had the dude? He was just a bad guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but it seemed more than that, though, to me.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it. They say that there's a whole dark
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing behind it. There's some stuff with Smurfs
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  Speaker 2: being really bad. Oh, really? I think so, yeah. Like
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  Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's all those Disney had the secret cocks in
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  Speaker 1: the movies.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that old thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they did,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. Did they? I think that you could
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  Speaker 2: find those. I never even looked at it. Did you
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  Speaker 2: ever smoke cigarettes? Oh, yeah. Remember Camel? They have that
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  Speaker 2: weird stuff on the camel cigarette. It looks like a guy,
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  Speaker 2: I think, who's naked or something, right?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Put up those camel cigarettes. Remember, you could make out
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  Speaker 2: the outline of a guy. With a wiener? I think so.
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  Speaker 2: I think if you look at it hard enough.
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  Speaker 1: You look at anything, you'll see a little bit of cock,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like. You know what I'm saying? If you
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  Speaker 1: mill around a gas station.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get up there and see it.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, you spend 40 minutes at a gas station. you'll
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  Speaker 1: see somebody's cock.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Come look at old boy. Look at his hands are
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  Speaker 2: on his hips like this. Same shit here. Let me
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  Speaker 2: see that hole. Looks like, yeah. Right there. Look at
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  Speaker 2: him playing his day. Yes! That ain't shit. I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 2: that's something. You think that's a.
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  Speaker 1: Guy with a.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, just... I think that's just a dude standing up. No?
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  Speaker 1: Dude, there's a picture of a guy smoking like.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you this though. If that were
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  Speaker 1: like 15, 20 years ago, then yes, we would all
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  Speaker 1: think that.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever hear shit too like pop rocks and
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  Speaker 2: Coca-Cola make your stomach blow up and all that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or they'll kill a Bichon or whatever you give
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  Speaker 1: them to them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People were bored. We didn't have the internet. We were
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  Speaker 2: making shit up, bro. We were hearing like Rod Stewart
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  Speaker 2: had to get his stomach pumped. Weren't you hearing all that? Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They said Richard Gere was like working for a.
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  Speaker 2: Had a hamster. You had a hamster. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that's true. I don't want to discourage nobody. But I
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  Speaker 2: think this was the stuff going around. Yeah, but that
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  Speaker 2: was a great rumor. That was Camel Cigarettes had some
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  Speaker 2: fucking naked dude on it. That's what was in the news.
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  Speaker 2: That's a that was the news, baby.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. I do miss when they had more imagination, though,
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  Speaker 1: even like you're saying that was something interesting. You said
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  Speaker 1: like when you were in the basement, your imagination, if
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  Speaker 1: it was big, it could be a blessing and a
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  Speaker 1: curse because it could really create the darkness.
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  Speaker 2: I never thought imagination is both. But yes, I think
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  Speaker 2: if you have a great inner life, like would you
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  Speaker 2: talk to yourself a lot? Oh yeah, it would be harrowing.
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  Speaker 1: I would be like, you're a piece of shit.
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  Speaker 2: I know. Sometimes good.
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  Speaker 1: Occasionally, sometimes like Merry Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: I remember one time, that's so good.
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  Speaker 1: I remember one time leaving a situation with older kids
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  Speaker 1: and not loving the exchange.
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  Speaker 2: And I was kind of walking my bike back and
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of talking out loud and playing different
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  Speaker 2: sides of the conversation. And there was one of the
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  Speaker 2: boys had happened to leave at the same time and
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  Speaker 2: he was behind me, really hearing me kind of have
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  Speaker 2: this conversation. And I kind of, so then I kept talking.
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  Speaker 2: but staring it with a different kind of point of
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  Speaker 2: view to kind of hide the fact that I was
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  Speaker 2: just working out out loud.
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  Speaker 1: Like I kind of saw him, but I kept going,
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  Speaker 1: but staring it in a place where I felt more
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with what.
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  Speaker 2: I was saying.
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  Speaker 1: Like just making up things that made sense, that would
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  Speaker 1: have made it justifiable to him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or not seem as nuts, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, one time me and my friend, we got
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  Speaker 1: in a fight or something in a ditch and and
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  Speaker 1: with some other kids. And then we were riding our
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  Speaker 1: bikes leaving. And I think we got the fight was
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  Speaker 1: pretty even. But we kind of went to like high
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  Speaker 1: five like that. And our hands got kind of stuck together.
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  Speaker 1: while we were riding our bikes. So it just looked
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  Speaker 1: like two dudes just like holding hands up in the air.
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  Speaker 2: And proud of it. Yeah, bro. Everyone should see this.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like we were like a couple of Harvey
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  Speaker 1: Milk fans just like leaving a speech. Triumphant.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. We seemed a little too triumphant.
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  Speaker 1: And our hands got locked and we were riding our
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  Speaker 1: bikes with the other hand just holding our bikes up,
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  Speaker 1: both riding the same way. So we couldn't let them go.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm sure to these dudes, it looked like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: these dudes are a couple of zest buggers.
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  Speaker 2: Well, really, you were really wanting to not damage the
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  Speaker 2: friendship over the fight. So you were overly connecting and
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  Speaker 2: making up for the fight. Well, the kids we had
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: fought were down the street. Oh, so you guys were
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: celebrating how you did. We were kind of celebrating.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think we did that great, but I
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: think we just went to do a high five.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were in it together. No one ran.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: Right, and our hands got locked. So I'm sure they looked,
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, we just beat up these two
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: gay kids, probably. And I'm not saying that, but that
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: could have been what they said.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: You don't know what they were thinking. You're just saying
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: it was possible.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: I know what they were thinking, and that's probably what it.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: Was, I think. That's probably what it was.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm super nostalgic.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I try to, I can be, but you gotta
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: move on too. I think it's good to reflect on that.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's good to be where you're at. Yeah. Both.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: When you were in college, did you like live in
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: the dorms or anything?
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: I never went to college. Oh, you didn't at all?
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Did you?
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I went to LSU, I went to, um. Oh,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of friends who went there. My
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: friend Hugh Hayden. Oh, I know Hugh, dude, I met
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: you with Hugh before.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Hugh's my guy. Is he still alive? Yeah, dude.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, good.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Fucking Hayden's the greatest, isn't he? Oh, bro. I go
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: down and watch the games. I'll go watch LSU with him.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: I always have fun going to those games, yeah.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's where I've seen you.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could have been. He's a great guy, Hugh.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: Hugh knows everybody.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, he knows everybody.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: He's like the glue of New Orleans, probably.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: He really does.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: And the Better Than Ezra guys, those guys are great.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: I know those dudes, yeah. Yeah, Kevin Griffin, I see
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: him a lot. He has a big festival over there
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: in the Pilgrimage Music Festival that he helped start.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hayden was friends with all those guys, too. Oh, dude,
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: you met Drew Brees? Yeah. He's a terrific guy. Oh, wow. Yeah,
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: because Hugh's friends with, I got to meet a lot
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: of those guys. Hayden is great. you know, obviously friends
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: with a lot of the Saints and stuff too, and
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Mickey Loomis and those guys.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: And Hugh's friends with all my ex-girlfriends somehow, which is interesting.
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: He was the best looking guy they had.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he was a good looking guy. He
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: makes friends with, yeah, he does good. Yeah, yeah. Look,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're just friends. I don't know either.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I'm insinuating they're not. I think it's all groovy.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any strings, but I'm just saying
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: it may not have just stayed like, they might not
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: just been sitting down playing canasta with each other.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally true.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: They may not just be hooking up and playing Rummikub.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: There might be some connections going on.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Hugh was just like, yeah. I mean, he was just,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: everybody knew him.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I just texted with him yesterday. Really? He's a good guy.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: So you guys keep in touch a decent amount.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: I do, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just so fun down there.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: It is fun down there. Did you think about going to,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: when you left here, did you think about going there?
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, going back to Louisiana? It's a little too slow
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: down there sometimes, you know?
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: How much did stand-up weigh on what you relocated to?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: The ability to get up? That's a good question. It didn't.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I was doing like a tour. So at that point,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: most of my sets, I was like going out of
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: town and doing like four nights and then coming back.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Like we'd go out. So I wasn't getting up and
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: practicing as much as much as I was just doing
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a tour.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: So you would go take out on a tour every...
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Material that you hadn't workshopped all. Oh, that I had.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: But it was like this tour. And the tour ended
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: up going for like three years because we kept finding
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: more markets to go play. So we'd play like smaller
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: and smaller markets.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: So you were changing material slightly, but you kind of
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: had your base. And you were just hitting areas you
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: hadn't hit. Gotcha.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: And it was growing. I was performing like four nights
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: a week, but I was just on. It was like
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: in venues and like as opposed to just doing practice sets.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: How does that get as you get older, the road
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: that way, that kind of longevity? Is it something you're
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: still excited about or does it become more of a job?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: It definitely becomes more of a job, and you have
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: to take more breaks. I didn't realize it, you know?
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Because you've got to fill up your tank. Well, yeah, yeah,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: you've got to fill up your tank. Recreate, recreation, recreate. Oh,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I burned out a few times. Do you bring a
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: crew with you, or do you go solo?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I take a tour manager, a couple other comedians, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: then we'll bring like a, for some of the venues,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: we'll bring like screens and a truck.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: So we have like one. Are they people you enjoy
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and spend time with? Yeah. That's good. You need that.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But then that can become unhealthy too. Spending
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: too much time with them?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. I mean, you kind of become a circus
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and it's good because you have each other, but then
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: you kind of are so with each other so much.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You can get a like family fight type
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: of energy.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: You need a break sometimes too. Yeah.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I guess as you get, do you choose films based
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: on now with you want to work with your friends?
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I have kids now. So that's once you have kids,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: that really becomes your priority. I have so many great
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: friends that I just don't see that often because we're
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: on different cycles. you know, their kids are at different
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: ages than mine or live in a different area. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: the family is really, and your kids become the calling card.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: You know, it's always funny. I thought of a movie
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: idea with this, which is when your kids are real young,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: they're a lot of work. Like me and my wife
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: didn't have any help. It was just me and her,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: which I... Really? Well, that's how I grew up. So
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I liked it like that. As they got older and
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I would leave for movies, we'd have people who kind
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: of can help her driving and stuff. But I found
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that like, you're so desperate to have other people that
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: have kids your age, because it's a lot of work.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So when the kids get to be three or four,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: if you meet other people with kids the same age,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: you can hang out, have a glass of wine, whatever,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: and the kids play together, so that's nice. But all
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: you really have in common is your kids are the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: same age. And then it feels like a good idea
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to go on spring break with them, because that's easy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: You can put the kids, can do stuff together, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the parents could hang. But then you can realize that
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you have very different parenting styles.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Have you been in some situations like that?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I think everybody has. It's sort of funny. But you're like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: is that guy going to tell his son to stop
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: hitting my daughter? Or am I going to have to
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: say something? You know what I mean? Or is that
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: guy way too old? That guy's screaming at his son.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He's an inch from his face. These guys are getting
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: super drunk and falling down in front of their kids.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: So you just don't know until you go on that
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: trip what the parenting and how they roll. But you
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: kind of hang with them.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone feels that way. So it's sort of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: something you start to hang out with more people who
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: have kids in your area because your kids' schedules are
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: dominating your time. Way more than you would hang out
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: with friends that you had in common through comedy or
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: through other stuff because- So it's all the kids. It's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: all the kids, yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been shocked if your kid picks a
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: certain friend and you're like, no, that's not the kid.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I kind of let my kids, I mean, I give
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: them kind of a baseline of things to look for
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: And then I let them make their mistakes and go
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: through it. But I've been fortunate. My kids both have
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: pretty good friends. They handle themselves well. I get nice
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: reports that they treat kids good. Yeah. I get texts
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: all the time or we'll hear stuff saying, oh, your
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: daughter walked my daughter out of this situation and was
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: nice to her. So that makes you feel good. But yeah,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's not as complicated as people make it, Theo.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I think it gets overcomplicated and a city in LA
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: if everyone's competing to get into the right school. Do
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? But I think if it's
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: just a basic idea of how you go about handling stuff,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: you kind of attract people that share those ideas. But
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: if you're competing all the time, I think you're kind
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of going to get in a bad situation. Did you
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: choose a good wife? I did. Yeah, she's from Canada.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: She grew up on a farm. Dude, that's where you
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: got to get them. You're so funny, dude. I know
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the way you said that was like, that's the secret code.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm definitely
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: looking to Canada. Yeah. Even further, I'll take something that's,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's still on ice.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: How far are you going?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I'll take a freaking Inuit. I'll take something that's in
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the freezer section, you know what I'm saying? Something that
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: hasn't been thawed out by some of these desperate ways
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: of America, you know?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I tell you, you've got good and bad people everywhere,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: for sure. For sure. But I definitely look for somebody who,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you know, I like their base values and how they
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: handle stuff. I think that goes a long way. Because
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of parenting is problem solving. Yeah. Working with
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: each other, yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And they have good posture up there in Canada. You
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: notice they have the best posture.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I haven't noticed that.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Watch Canadians when they go by. You could barely even
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: see them. They're so just horizontal, longitudinal.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: You'd be a little surprised you don't see them like
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Africans with that, like carrying shit on their head.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember that? They always have a basket. carrying
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: around real casual. Cause her posture was great. Oh yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And someone would even like, if the ladies would get pissed,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: they would be like, not even spilling anything. Not a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: fricking melon would fall out of the basket.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Oh dude.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I remember I went to South Africa a couple of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: times and you would see a lot of people walking
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: in there, but that was how they would travel to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: stack it on the dome.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I'd never been to South Africa. So nice. You liked it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause there's just so much going on, you know? Yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: just like it's beautiful and amazing and there's these beaches
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and there's all this insane history.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Were you there for a vacation or work?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I went there one time to Johannesburg to do a
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: comedy festival. I went once when I did this thing
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: called Semester at Sea where you like went as a
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: student like on this boat and we went there.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you ever go somewhere for work and then
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: say I want to come back when I have some
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: downtime to hang? That's cool. That's the great thing about
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: our work is you get to travel. Yeah. I find
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that to be a great education.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure, dude. Going to Vietnam or whatever.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of some other neat places. Yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: what's a place that you filmed in that you were like, wow,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: this kind of blew my mind? Even if it was
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: an American city.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a lot of them. I mean, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: remember going, you know, as a kid, getting to go
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to New York and actually living there was a big,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: very different for me, obviously, than I lived there for
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And you were acting then or not?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I was, yeah. I never really traveled anywhere, bro, until
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: work took me there. Like for us, a vacation was
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: in a... We would get in a station wagon. Where
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: would y'all go? We tried to Florida or Arizona.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Dude, Florida.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: You try not to get grounded because everyone's hopped up
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: on sugar and shit and you're crowded in and you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: try not to get in trouble in the back. But
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: we didn't really... We would drive most places for spring break.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I never left... I had relatives in Canada from my
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: mom's side. So we would go up there. But I
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: never went to Europe ever. Yeah. Until... I had gone
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: for work. For sure. Did you? No, dude.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: We didn't even know about Europe. The guy, the janitor
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that drew the map on our, like, cement at our
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: school left out three states of it, dude.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: So there was, like, people were like, what is happening?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: How does that happen? They just, you know, they probably.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: What were the states? What were the states? You wouldn't
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: know because they didn't put them down. Yeah. Well, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: think it was somewhere. Some of it. I think Maine.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I knew that Maine was missing. I didn't want to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: call him out because I felt kind of bad for
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the guy. But anyway, yeah. So we weren't going to Europe, dude.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Canada, they didn't even have it when I was a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: kid or whatever. They had like a picture. I remember
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: in our classroom, they had America. Yeah. Cause it was very,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: everything was very American then very like we are America.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: And then they had a picture of a wolf, like
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: chasing a boy. And that was Canada, like chasing a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: cold boy. And that was like what we thought was
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: going on outside of there. And Florida was the greatest
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: place you go in the world. If somebody went to
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Florida and they came back to school in a shirt
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: on said Florida, you were like, Oh man, you killed it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: They are so rich.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Totally. That's nice. You guys would drive all the way
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: from Illinois down to Florida? Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I'd go see my grandfather. Had a little farm.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: What kind of animals did they have over there?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: He just had cows. He just had cows. I remember.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I like cows.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: They're warm. Yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I remember as a kid, I was like in first grade,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and we were studying the pilgrims. And, you know, the
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: pilgrims were all in black and white. And so when
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: we drove from the farm to go see my grandfather,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I never saw him much. But when you get to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the smaller roads, they're like this narrow. You can't get around.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: There's just two lanes, and those country roads are smaller roads.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And we were behind Amish. I'd never seen Amish people. Oh, yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Time travelers. I thought they were pilgrims.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: So you had a bunch of kids in black and
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: white in the back of the carriage, you know. kind
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of staring at us, like you couldn't break eye contact,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: because they're looking right at you. And they're fucking slow, bro.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: They're not moving, like this horse is not excited. And
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: we're sitting behind them, we had like a Lincoln Tow
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: car or something, my dad was driving. And it was
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: so slow going, and I remember going, why won't these
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: pilgrims get out of our way? And my dad lost
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: his mind. He pulled the car over and took my
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: head off. You're no better than these people. Who are
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you to talk like that about someone? But he didn't realize, like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I really thought they were pilgrims.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I really thought that that was a pilgrim because I
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: hadn't had a slur. I couldn't even understand. Of course.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: What?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: These people living, not touching electricity. You know what I mean?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: But my dad's great and my mom, but they were
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: real keen on, you know, making sure that you were,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I think because they moved me to a nicer area,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: they were real big on making sure I, Wasn't, you know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: feeling better than anybody. But I think he got that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: one wrong. I think he thought I was making fun
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: of these Amish people. I didn't know what they were. Yeah.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: You're like, this could be Christopher Columbus's children or whatever
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: over here. And they just, you know, they're all hopped
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: up on cheese curds and they're slowing down.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: They're slow as fuck and we can't get around them. Dude,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that's hilarious, bro. Yeah, that's kind of what we had
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: in our classroom. We were super pro-America, too. Everything was.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It was taught in that way. The Pledge of Allegiance.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Which I thought was good. Hell yes.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I liked it. By the way, I love it. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: did too.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it kept us together. It was like one thing
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you had in common. It was like, at a certain point,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: if you don't have anything in common, if you take
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: away things that people have in common, then they don't
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: have anything in common.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I still feel the same way. I still feel like
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: it's the best out there. Not that it's perfect. There's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on. I don't think we even,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much control everyone even has over it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: But I still love the idea of it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people are going to homeschool now, too.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: There's more parents have switched to homeschooling now than even
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: during COVID.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I did some of it. You did it?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: My daughter in first grade, we did it. I did some,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you know, I put it. Well, that's easy to teach, though, dude.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Try one of the harder grades.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did. I had a lady that was good.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But I get a curriculum, you know, and then I'd
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: have a pick a curriculum that I like that lady.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: But the first year she was by herself, which she'd
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: look at me when I'd leave her in the classroom
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: like this. No one wants to be sitting by themselves.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: So then I found a public hybrid school where she
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: would go two days a week. And then I moved
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: her to a local Catholic school, and now she goes
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to a big public high school, and she's doing great.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: But for all the same reasons, you start looking at
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: this stuff and figuring that you want to try to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: give an education that is not so drowning and beating
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: them down.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Not really exactly. I mean, let me think about beating
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: them down.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Well, meaning everything was taught from a place for a while,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: like pointing out everything bad and you can't say this,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you can't feel this way or so much guilt education.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're bad to feel this way or that way.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And so I didn't, I thought it's just too heavy.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And also like just a hatred of anything. And I just,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I always, you know, like an optimism, positive.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And why not share different ideas? Why not have different
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: things of opinions and create an environment where you can
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: talk about different things? Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It feels like there's a lot. Yeah. Like kids were
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: just feeling bad about themselves. Like we did this.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Or our people. Lesson one.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I'd go to my kids and say, when I would
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: get stuff, I'd say, this is not the history of
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: how this shit started. This is not real. We didn't
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: invent any of this shit. You know, so you'd have
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to kind of go and that's a lot of work. Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 28:01
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  Speaker 2: Where are you at with marriage and kids?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I don't have a marriage right now.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Someone that you are serious with?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: No, but I would like to get there, so it'll
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: happen sometime soon.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: What's your process for that?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: That's been the problem. I've been working so much that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't really focus on it much, but now I'm
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: trying to focus on it more.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: How old are you, if you don't mind? I'm 45. Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm not going
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to die soon, but I'm going to, you know.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: You got time. I think the thing that happens is,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is we're so focused on the career and it takes
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: up so much time and it's easy to put that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to the sidelines. But then as you get older, sometimes
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: the joy or the things we got from the career
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: aren't as high as they were. And you start to
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: look at family and the idea of it and say,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that would be fun. Yeah. So you take kind of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the same approach that you take to your, towards your career.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And you start to put those ideas on meeting somebody.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: And then you start to work at it in the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: same kind of way. And I think my opinion, sometimes
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: what are the things I'm doing that are good? What's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: not good? What's a good thing to bring to a relationship?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: What's not working on yourself in a weird way? You'll
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: come in contact with somebody more than I got to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: go to the right class or go out during the day.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: It's more about doing that kind of work on yourself
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and And then I think you'll kind of attract somebody
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: in a similar mindset. But I would say, don't put
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: it off. Just focus on it a little bit in
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the same way that you've done with your career.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Did you have to do that? Yeah, I got to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: a point.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Like you did. And I thought, at first I thought,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't get all the cards in life. Like
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: maybe I was so not focused on this.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Right, it just doesn't work out.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Now I'm older and I wish I would have gotten
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: started sooner. But then I thought, you know, I want
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: to ask God for those years back. Like I can
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: get those years better than I would have had them
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: if I'm asking for them now, because now I'm wanting that.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? So now that you want it,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: you say, why can't I have it now? And whatever
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: way it looks for you at 45. Yeah. Well, yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I think the more, I just keep realizing it's not
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: me like, because sometimes I'm like, I don't really want
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to go out or go do this thing or something,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: but maybe I'll meet somebody, right? And maybe I'll, but
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: then it's a lot of times, I'm still meeting somebody
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: with the same kind of, I'm showing up with some
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of the same problems that I still, that have prevented me.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: So I think you're right about instead of like out
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: there metal detecting, maybe stay home and work on the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: magnet a little bit.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But I think do it with grace too. You can say,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to do this. This would
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: be better. What do I look? And also I think
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: you go, what do I want in a person that
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be married to? What do I want
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and what don't I want? Like just thinking about it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's almost like the same as a standup. What kind
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of venues do I want to play? What kind of podcast?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: What do I want to do? And by making those decisions,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you can manifest something you're excited about.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a good mom, that's what I want
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to have. A wife that's a good mom, that's probably
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the number one thing.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: 100%, yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Did your wife have to introduce you to her dad
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like they do in the movies or whatever?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: They were kind of– I met them pretty quickly. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: did call him and say I'm going to ask her
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to marry, and I think he was appreciative of it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: But they weren't as much like that. I was raised
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Were you?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: No, dude.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: There was like a lot of domestic abuse in our
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: area and people like hiding drugs in each other's, you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: bedrooms and stuff like that. So it was more.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Those are relationships that aren't going well. Yeah, pretty much. Right.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying you would want to, you know, the family. Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would like to have like a family, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with like people fighting at night before they
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: go to bed.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Show me a normal family. I'll show you a liar.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to go through their bullshit. You know, no
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: one's like fucking killing it. You know what I mean?
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Everyone's got their shit they fight about. There's days anybody's
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: mad at anybody. So that's never going to go away.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You're just trying to aim it a little better. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: just shoot a little bit. And a little bit.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I just want my arrow to end at least in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: a different area.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: But, dude, yeah, I remember one time we were so
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: mad at our mom and we were, like, crying.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: We were all crying.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And we tried to, like, put all of our tears in, like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a little jar. And we were going to take them
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to the police and be like, look what's happening at
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the house. But they won't stay in there. Like, in
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the morning they were gone or whatever.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: But I remember that. I remember us like.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Were you real tight with your mom?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: No, we weren't that tight, but we're tighter now.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I just went and surprised her for Valentine's Day the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: other day.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We had a nice time, dude.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: You have brothers and sisters?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a couple of brothers and sisters.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Close?
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: It's gotten better over the years.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: What about, what do you got?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: So older sisters. and my parents. And you were their boy?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I was the youngest, yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And they were older sisters? Yeah. No, did they ever
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: have friends come over and you were just like ogling
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Or were you put on a tuxedo? They were five
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: or six years older. Dude, that's the best. I would
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: sometimes get thrown under the bus to look cool for
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the older friends. You know, like you'd hang out and play,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and then when the older friends would come, you weren't included.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: That's normal shit. Yeah, go hide, Vince. Did they call
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you Vince, or would they call you Vince?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: They called me Vince if they weren't mad at me.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Then they'd call you anything. We'd fight like crazy younger.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: You'd be hot and then you'd be friends and you'd
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: love each other. You know, like anything. You'd really go
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: at it when you'd go at it. Did you have this?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Sometimes when you get in a fight with your siblings,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it's really like a game of tag. You'd be so
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: pissed and you'd hit somebody. But then you'd be afraid
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: because now you got them. So then they'd turn around mad.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And now they try to come to get you real bad.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: And you were trying to get to the door to
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: shut it. And then if they got you, it would
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: go the other way. So it's like whoever got the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: other one hard last is kind of how the fights
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: would go.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when everybody brought it to mom and then
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: seeing kids run around their mom is one of the
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: funniest things, you know?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Like they're hiding.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: It's so funny when you watch a kid with their
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: mom sometimes and they're just like, you know, they're moving
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in between the moms. Like they're just running or, you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: they're all like, or they're fighting around the mom. That
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: kind of shit's fun.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Or even how kids play hide and seek. Like an ostrich,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: their ass will stick out, but their head will be
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: behind a curtain. You ever seen kids play hide and seek?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, sometimes a kid will just sit there and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: cover his eyes.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And be laughing wildly. Yeah, dude, we could see you, dude.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Thank God there's not a kidnapper after the kid.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't have, I think we had a decent
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: amount of, like, they used to have a law that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they would put. Like if you was like a sex
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: offenders or whatever, children, sex offenders, you had to go
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: around and go door to door, right? Which was the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: worst because we all, we lived at home. Our mom
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was working. So it would just be, these guys would
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: come and they'd be like, I have to let you
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: know I live in the area.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I'm a sex offender. It would just be us kids.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I live in the area. I'm into super young guys.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Just letting you know.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Mom. But mom would be gone. And that was like
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: at every house. I'm like, who put this rule together? Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Now it's on an app. Yeah, it's easier now. I know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: but it's weird because you're like, oh, geez, this guy
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: over here.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: He's only 60 feet away.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe you better not know him. We just walk around.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: We were always outside going around. Nobody paid attention to us.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Dude, yeah, living in it, that was the best. We
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: had this one kid named Kirby that tried to crawl
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: through the ditch culvert one time, and the government had
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: to come and get him or whatever, I remember. The
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: government had to come get him. That government man came
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: down to do some work. Dude, shit, that was the best.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: We had this dude named Milford that would drive the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: school bus, and he was always they were always coming
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: and checking to see if he was drunk. It was
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: just like, it was, yeah, but there was nothing like
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that being like.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: We find out stuff later that a teacher molested people
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: and stuff. Oh yeah. You find that out later.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that kind of took a turn.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about, well, I watched your movie,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's cool, man. It's cool.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: The way that they shot somewhere, they slowed it down.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: It was interesting. Was that a choice that was made
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: kind of later? Do you have any clue or do
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you have anything to do about that?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: It's a director who puts it all together. And he
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: kind of has a stylized point of view to do it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But I liked it. I thought it came out cool.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's just bizarre. It was like, it's just like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it made me think, oh, things.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Can be different. Like flashbacks, yeah. Yeah. Like when he
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: would do flashbacks, you're saying.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Well, like even with the, like there's like a moment
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: where they have that cat that's in there and they
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: show him, but it's like. it goes in slow motion
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: just for like a moment or something. I just thought
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: it was pretty stylized.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought. I agree.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I don't want to give too much
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of it away, but so your character kind of goes back.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: What can we say? You can say whatever you want.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Just kind of a sci-fi thing where it's like a
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: rated R comedy with action, and it's got this kind
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: of sci-fi twist to it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: And your character, you played two characters of you.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: It was kind of cool to see like, Because you
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: always wonder, well, I wonder what it would be like
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: if you played this character in this thing while you're
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: watching somebody in something. But to see him play two people,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it was like, oh, that's, it's like, I can't even
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: explain it. It was just like, it almost seemed like
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: an experiment.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: It's crazy what they do with technology now. Because you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: kind of film one side of it, then you film
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the other side, and they put it, you know, together.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Like it's one thing that technology's gotten so.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Was there tough moments to play like two different characters
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: in the same thing or you didn't really think about it?
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I was amazed at how different the guys actually seemed
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, well, at one point I'm
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: just gonna kind of get confused but I didn't at all.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah they make them a little different because one's obviously
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: been alive longer and you're going back in time but
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: yeah it was a different experience for sure so I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like doing stuff that's a little different you
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: get bored doing the same stuff so anytime I'm doing
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: something that's a little different I like that so it
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: was It wasn't too bad. I mean, sometimes it was
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: just more stuff to film because you're playing two characters
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: in a scene. Oh, that's true. But I like trying
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: different stuff.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Was there, I read some of the, you were almost
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: in The Matrix one time.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I don't remember that. There's
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: stuff I've turned down, but I don't remember that being
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: one of them. Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Your first, one of your first movies was Rudy.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: That's the best, huh? That was fun, yeah.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Dude, I still sometimes see that guy clapping by the stands.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: So funny, bro. Yeah, that's so funny.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It's such a meme.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: The slow clap. Oh. Slow clap.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Charles S. Dutton, that's the actor.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great. Yeah. Did he pass away? I
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: don't know if he did or he didn't. Let's go
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: back to the board here.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Bring him up.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: He was cool. He was great in that part. Oh,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: he was so good. Great speech to Rudy. Yeah. Gratitude.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Still alive. Hell yeah. Come on, Charles. Show them, Charles.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Keep going.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Um, and he was in the show.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: They had a show called rock when I was a
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: kid that he was on. Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: That guy was great, dude. Um, did you ever meet
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the real Rudy over there? I did. Yeah. Yeah. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: didn't hang out with him much, but he was there.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I said hi to him a few times.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Cause I went over there to Mishawaka, Indiana. I used
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: to go do comedy over there. Sometimes he had a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: comedy club.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: He owned a comedy club?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: No, no. They had one on the edge of town
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: there right outside of where Notre Dame was.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Gotcha.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And, uh, and I would go.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Have you been to a game there?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, I've never been to a game. It's cool.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Tradition, yeah. Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would love to go. Well, the grass right there,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: when you walk onto the campus at Notre Dame, it's
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: like beautiful. And then when you're off campus, it's a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: little bit different grass.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, totally.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: It's more like the grass has been drinking or whatever
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: during the day even.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, that day drinking.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but on campus, it's super nice.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they take care of it for sure.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, is that the campus right there?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Give me that one with the snow right there.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: That's nice.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one thing I do like about Nashville is
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: that we do get some cold weather over there. That's
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: kind of a vibe. Do you miss that about the Midwest,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: about having cold weather?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I think whatever you get used to. I don't mind
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the cold. I'm always ready to be done with it
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: come January. I like it for the holidays. But come February,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: I'm done with it. As a kid, I loved it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: What would y'all do? Just go play in the snow
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: or get a snow day. As an adult, you're scraping
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: it off the driveway. You're scraping your car. It's more maintenance.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: And getting kids ready in the snow is a lot
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: more it. Yeah, you gotta lock them down. Lock them down,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: hold them down.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And then their face is just like a thing of snot.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And just redness. Like Christmas Story. Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Dude, the guy from Christmas Story, I met him with you.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of my best friends, probably. He is
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: my best friend.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Peter Billingsley?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Peter Billingsley, yeah. He's my closest friend. He's a great guy.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I met you guys. So you guys started
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the Wild West Comedy Festival?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: What was that like?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Because that was the National Comedy Festival, right?
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What was it? I'll tell you what it was.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of friends that were stand-ups, but
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: there wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the, like, 90s.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: We did swingers. We wrote in the script, it was
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the line that said, because Favreau's character was a stand-up,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: an ex-stand-up in that movie. So he wrote the line saying,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: in the 80s, it felt like they were handing out
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: pilots to stand-ups, you know, at the airport. And then
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: it was a time where there really wasn't a lot
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: for stand-ups. So I just started trying to help friends
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of mine out that were stand-up comedians. I did that
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Wild West comedy show where I went around and did
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: 30 Days and put, Sebastian was on that. Some other comics. Oh,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and y'all would just do it everywhere? I just would
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: go hit 30 cities in 30 days because it seemed
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: fun to me. So we'd perform every night. We did
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: 30 nights in a row. But I was really trying
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: to help some of my friends like Ahmed that I knew,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: guys that were stand-up comics. Oh, yeah. John Caparulo.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I saw him last night at the Comedy Store.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: So there was a bunch of stand-ups because there wasn't
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: as much opportunities. It's crazy because now stand-ups have a
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: lot more opportunities.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Brett Ernst is on there.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Wow. Brett Ernst. I like Brett.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Brett's a great storyteller. So they started going. But then
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: what happened is the stand-ups– now have a lot more opportunity.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: But at the time, it wasn't as viable. I think
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: in the last 15 years, stand-up really had this renaissance
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: where so much came out of it. And I look
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: at the stand-up stuff a little bit like what happened
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: with improv. I did improv when I was a kid
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in Chicago when I was in high school because there
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: was an improv olympic that was an offshoot of Second City.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't It was just a place to go
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: train and it was fun. It wasn't that big of
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: a deal. I enjoyed it and I learned stuff there,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: but I didn't stay the whole time. I came out
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: to California after high school. But as I got older,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: there started to be these different improv groups. And then
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: it became like a religion. This improv group, thought that
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: that improv group wasn't good. This improv group is good
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: at sketch. This is good at characters. And I thought,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: this is fucking improv. Like who the fuck is talking
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: about improv? Yeah, it's like when mimes start beefing or whatever.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's just comedy. I mean,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: what are you talking? It's so fucking crazy to me.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And so then stand-up kind of went through the same
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: thing where it started to form into like this stand-up
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: group or this group.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Or a comic is this. And I thought, Jesus, it's
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the same shit where it starts to get too self-important.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: And I think ultimately comedy is a big tent. You
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: can go real cerebral or you can be physical. It
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: There's nothing that prestigious or like a stamp of approval
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I agree.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: It's gotten to that place recently. There's been kind of
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: like infighting.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's infighting. It's like rappers now. Yeah,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: it is kind of. It's so silly.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: But everybody's afraid to kill each other.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: It's weird, right? It's just so stupid.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying we either need a Tupac and Biggie.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: We need somebody. You've got to go real bad to
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: get good. Yeah. Or it's just got to stop. It's silly.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: But it is silly. It's silly, bro.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of it got political too, I think.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Politics came into stuff. I think that's happened a lot
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: over the past few years with people like attaching themselves
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: like heavily, attaching themselves to politics.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Which is part of the job because you're going to
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: talk about current events. Right.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: But to attach yourself and say- But you don't want
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: to become part of a group and feel like now
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you're a champion for one ideology.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: You want to make fun of everybody.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: It's happened more over the past few years, but it's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: always been that, well, for a long time, it was like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Hollywood is pretty much overly kind of a liberal place.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And so you would have.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: But not really. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: It's more like we're smart and got it figured out.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And if you don't agree- then you're an idiot. Yeah,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: so that's true. It's more elitist. Yeah, not liberal in
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: the way that we think, where it's like, hey, it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: all groovy.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, it's not liberal like a hippie with a joint. No, man, no.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: That's pursuit of happiness. That's cool. Whatever makes you happy, bro.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Right, that's cool.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was at one point, though, I think, I
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: don't know. But it's definitely got more of the elitist take,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like this is.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Our way or the highway. I think it's changing now.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Well, do you think it's dissolving now? Or do you
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: think it's just spacing out more now?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting conversation, too, because I hear this from
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the different groups, too. I do think that there's less
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: control in some ways. But I also think that they
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: put themselves in a corner with trying to please everybody.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You know, you're going to catch pneumonia. You're trying to
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: please everybody. That's like that old Vonnegut quote. So Yes,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I think there was more of a stranglehold with ideas.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: But there's always been people who feel differently within that.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: It's like any group, I guess. But yeah, I think
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: what we're saying is similar, that it was never really
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a place where within individuals and friends, and we could
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: always disagree and always joke with each other. People my age,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I disagree, agree. And we'd change our minds. We'd laugh.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: We'd joke. But there was definitely a culture that if
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you didn't agree with these ideas, you were looked at
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: as bad. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I think Hollywood really got more political. I don't know
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: if it got more political.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: No, they got rewarded for it. Yeah. They started to
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: come out there and do it. And I don't even
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: know how much everyone even is informed on everything. Yeah.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: But they really like to get out there and do it. Oh, yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: But it's also wild how those people will speak on
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: one thing, but there'll be another topic that's way bigger.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: And they're hypocrites, too, a lot of times, like anybody is. Oh,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: for sure, dude.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I totally think I'm a hypocrite.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: You'll be like, I feel strong about this. But it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a strange thing when you start going like you know
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: better than someone. That's weird. That's when it gets weird.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: It's one thing to say this is where I'm at. Yeah.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And then hear someone else's point of view and disagree
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: or agree. It's another thing to be like– I'm so right. Yeah.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: And I got to, and I'm going to help you
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: or condescend to you. That's the part that no one,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, who wants, no one wants to hang out
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: with that. Yeah. So it got to that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: My agent is right. And so this, I'm going to
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: have to tell you what they think, you know, that's
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: also another, like, you know, that happens where people are like, well,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like they have to think how their agents
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: are managers. You know what I'm saying? Well, they feel
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: pressured to think a certain way.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: That's terrible. And that happens, but that's the problem. If
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: you're going through life, trying to check boxes, like Dorothy
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and the Wizard of Oz. Like, let me get the broom.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Let me do this. What is the wizard? You're not
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: thinking for yourself. You're just trying to do the things
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to. But it's always better if you get
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: quiet and do what's in your heart and do what
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you think is right. That's when you carve out stuff
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and make your own path.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And probably the best stuff and get the best stuff
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: out of you, even creatively.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And have the courage, I think, to
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: be honest. Try to be and, you know, go out.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: That's the problem, I think, that happened with film comedies.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And that's why I think stand-up got stronger is they,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: you know, stand-ups would kind of it was easier to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: give someone money for a special and say we're going
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: to knock that's their special but the studios weren't going
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: to produce a comedy and have more of uh be
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: more responsible for supporting the making of that film. Oh,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: So you're saying with a standup special, they can just put,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: this is their thing.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: That's their thing. We're out of it. We're just hiring
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: a special. But the truth is most people, they want
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to laugh. They don't want to see stuff be precious
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: that you can't talk or joke about. Most people can
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: make fun of themselves. You know, in the real world,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: if you don't have a sense of humor about yourself,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: then it's a, it's a lonely experience. you know, you
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: got to be able to laugh at yourself. You can
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: look back at stuff that you believe so strongly a
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: few years ago and laugh about it. So I think
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: you got to have that quality and comedy is that
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: being able to laugh at stuff. And I think that
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: it was easier than to go, okay, well, we're going
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: to just have a standup and that's their point of
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: view than it was to, they got too complicated not
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: to offend anybody with, going and making a movie. They
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: were trying so hard not to offend anybody. Does that
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: make sense? For sure it does.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's one of the reasons why I've seen
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of, why a lot of the late shows
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: have struggled. Because all they did during, the only person
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: they could make fun of at a certain point was
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: just white, redneck kind of people, and then everything tanked
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Think about that. But see, they never get it right.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: The podcasts have gotten so much more popular with less production,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: less writers, less staff. And the reason why is- We
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: have two.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: People working here and both of them are hung over.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And one guy has shingles. But the place is clean.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I like that. You keep a clean place. Thank you.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a vacuum.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, because people want authenticity. Yeah. And I think
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: that the talk shows, to a large part, became really agenda-based.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: They were gonna evangelical people to what they thought. You
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And so people just rejected it
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: because it didn't feel authentic. It felt like they had
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: an agenda.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: It stopped being funny and it started feeling like I
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: was in fucking a class I didn't want to take. Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Oh, for sure, dude.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I'm getting scolded.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. 100%. And so I think that's– the phenomenon isn't
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: what they say. They always blame technology. But the reality
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: is it's the approach. You know– Someone could go watch
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: a stand-up at Madison Square Garden and they want to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: go because it feels dangerous. The crowd is alive. I
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: don't know what Theo is going to do or say.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And I love taking that experience. So it's fun. I
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to stay home and watch it on a
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: TV because I want to experience that live. Right.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: And I want it pure.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: That's where you're coming from. That's the main point. And
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I think people are going to tune into a podcast
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: more so because they want to feel like people are
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: having a real conversation. It's interesting to them. But if
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you look at what happened to the talk shows and
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: why their ratings are low, it's got only to do
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: with the fact of what you just said, which is
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: they all became the same show. And they all became
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: so about their politics and who's good and who's bad.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like, imagine sitting next to someone like that
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: on a fucking plane. Bro, you'd be like, how do
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I get out of this fucking seat? Holy cow. You'd
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: fart your way out of it. Yeah, I would. Oh,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I would for sure, and I'm sorry. Fucking skunk. You
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: know the skunk's the king of the jungle.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: No one's playing with the skunk. You can watch all
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: the fucking videos you want. No one's playing with a skunk.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Skunk in the food chain in the woods, fucking skunk
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: is here. You get yourself a pit bull, I don't
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: give a fuck what you got. The honey badger, the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: fucking skunk is the king of the jungle. Don't bring
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: that badass around here.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Am I right? That's it. The devil's cologne, baby. That's it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: The devil's cologne, daddy. Look at that little mix. You
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: can talk about whatever the fuck you want as far
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: as an animal and velocity right there. All hail the king. Oh,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: look at that. That motherfucker's going where he wants. Now,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: he might need a nap. He might be like a
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: lover that needs to recharge. You know what I mean?
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He might be like an older lover. He might not
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: be able to go 10 times in a day, but
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: that one or two times, he's going to get it right, Theo.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: But what's he having for lunch? Whatever the fuck he wants,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: whatever's around. He's going to hit a spray and get
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: everyone else to scurry. Don't bother him. God.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Once that skunk puts its tail up, you've got a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: real decision to make. What a fucking... How much of
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: a badass are you? Yeah.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: So if you brought that skunk mentality to the plane,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you'd fucking run that shit. Well, I'm just saying every
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: now and then if somebody won't fucking shut up, dude.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: You got to put some ass on them. Well, you
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: just got to be a, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: You got to be the king of the jungle. That's
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying for sure.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: But did you ever feel, you never felt ostracized by
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Hollywood at all or no?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I always, I got along with people for the most,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: and always was, you know.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Always had a great career.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Trying to be honest who I am. But yeah, there's
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: times you felt like it would have been easier. It's
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: almost like a career move.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. But I was always the other way too.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not jumping on a hundred percent this or this.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Cause I have opinions on both sides. There's shit I
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: don't agree with at all. And then there's shit I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: don't agree with at all.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I don't see how people could, could choose a side completely.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Cause also once you're on a side, you're on a side.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Fuck that. I want to be able to have the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: freedom to go.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And also some, I'm agree with this over here.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I agree with this over there. It is what it is,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: but I, I just, We never cared about it so much.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: It wasn't in our defining conversations about how I like
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: somebody or life. We weren't 23 sitting around talking about
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: fucking taxes. But I think as it started to encroach
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: on us, for me, I started to go a little
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: bit back here because nobody wants to be told what
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Or feel like everything you do has to be through
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: a certain lens.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Or worrying about if people think you're kind or not.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: You're not going to tell me.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And especially when everybody's pretending a lot of times, because
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I would have friends acting one way, but then kind
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: of speaking another way sometimes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Well, those are the people that are so focused on
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: how they're coming off. They're worried about, and that's not
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: a real journey, and you're hurting in that. I think
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: we all go through those stages younger. Like everyone learns
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: that lesson. Well, we all want to be accepted. Yeah,
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: but you learn younger the right way to do it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Hopefully we never get it perfect and you learn the
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: wrong way. But if you're constantly worried what someone else
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: thinks of you and you're only around them a couple
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: hours a day, you're miserable most of the time. You
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: got to really try to be, you know, find the
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: way to be yourself, but be respectful. You know, that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the other side that I think happened is when I
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: was a kid, if I was loud in a restaurant,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: my parents would say, these people didn't come here to
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: hear you.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Fucking scream.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, you stared at the Amish wrong and you
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: got berated.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I got dog talked. Yeah. But now if you're mad
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: in a restaurant, they'll say, are you okay? And I
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: just think it's important to be aware of how you're
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: affecting other people. Yeah. But if you're all about you
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: and you're right and they're bad and you're good, then
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: you're okay to go after somebody because you're not really
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: thinking about what their shoes are, you know?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've started to like make it seem like the
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: delusional isn't delusional sometimes. Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Say that again.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, something's delusional, but if we act like it
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: isn't over and over and we'll be like– Normalize it.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: It's almost like you said, like the boiling water gets
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a degree higher one degree at a time, you know?
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, saying that like as they change the laws a
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: little bit at a time, you kind of wake up
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: and you go, this has gone way further than– but
• 56:32
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• 56:34
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  Speaker 1: Uh. did your fan did do you always live in
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: california since you moved here.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: No i went back to chicago for a minute but
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: and i lived in new york for a while but
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: um i'm out here now and uh you know i
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: like california i just get tired of like everybody uh
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: it's like a lot of these big cities i think
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a lot, it's a lot.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of energy.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of energy. It's also just, you know, uh,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: you're not getting, things aren't, uh, getting handled well. Yeah.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: And there's no accountability. It's like a bad relationship. Yeah.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like something, someone doesn't do what they
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: said they're going to do and there's no, I'm sorry
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: or want to change.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: I agree, dude.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: It's definitely gets, but you love, I still love California. Yeah. You, Oh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I just realized this is my second time back in
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: like about three months. Um, but I was here like
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: about two weeks ago and I do miss it more.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I just miss some of the energy. Like I live
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: in Nashville now and there's just less energy that, you know, it's,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: it's just different.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: You know, like here you get to meet more people.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: There's more like things going on.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Um, but you're in a great spot where you can
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: do both. You can enjoy your time here and you
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: can enjoy your time.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's been good, man. Um, the, what did
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: I see?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, Chicago.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: You said, uh, are you a Bears fan or no?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: I am. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Fucking Williams, bro.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: He's really great for like four and a half minutes
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a game.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: That ice, yeah. I mean, if you look at that NFC,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: we barely beat the Packers and the Rams barely beat us.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It's close. And then... were obviously right, then they lost.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Those games were all so close. But it was exciting,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: because we've been so bad for so long. It was
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: good to be good.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: We were channeling through the TV. We were screaming, like,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: somebody make this happen.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Who do you cheer for?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a Saints fan.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. We've had a tough time. Do you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: know some of those guys? I like the Saints organization.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I like Mickey, the GM. I never met Mickey. He's
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: a great guy. Is he? Yeah, yeah. He's good friends
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: with Hayden.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, he is?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I wonder if I have met him then. No, I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: haven't met him. They had a good year. They turned
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: around this year.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: They did good. Yeah, they did better.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Everybody's excited about him.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Who just had a baby. Bring up a picture of
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: his baby since I'm a fan of theirs. Cam Jordan's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a great guy that plays over there in that organization.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just came out and said nice things about
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: your quarterback. He did? Mm-hmm. Cam Jordan's nasty. He's fast. Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: He's a pass rusher all by himself.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I would not want him chasing me. I wouldn't even
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: go knock on his door and run.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Off or whatever. you wouldn't want him coming and saying,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I moved to the neighborhood and I got a register. Yeah, dude.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: You ain't going nowhere, bro. You ain't getting away. No basement.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Touch me now and get it over with.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: No basement. Nothing's keeping you safe, dude.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: No cellar doors are going to keep you safe. Do
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you wish, when you look on that, there he is
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: right there. I know he's had a baby. Congratulations, QB1.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: When you look back at that Bears game, do you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: think that they, do you wish they would have gone
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: two on that moment? Like just that momentum was there.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: It was amazing to hit that crazy pass. That was insane.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: To tie it up. And then we had that last drive.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: All we needed was a field goal. But we got,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: you know, it was the same kind of thing a lot.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: We lived and died by the sword all season. Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: So I thought it was a fun year. I would
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: have loved to have won the game. But there's a
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: lot of pieces to be excited about.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just that confusion at the end. Like, how did
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: they not know which way the guy, like as a fan,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's way more complicated. as a player, but
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: as a fan, you're like, how do you guys not
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: know what the, this is the most crucial moment?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I know. I don't know what happened there. I've heard
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: different stuff. I don't think anybody.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: And then it's almost like, was everybody just so cold
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: they wanted to go home? There's a little bit of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: that energy. Because I think that happens a lot where
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: you're just like, I'm so cold, I just want to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: go home.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd think it would be advantage for them. They'd
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: be more used to it, but you never know. Because
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: some of those guys could be from Louisiana playing on
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the team. It's not like all of them grew up
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: in the cold. Oh, I were all from everywhere.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I wish that teams had their, all the players from
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: their state. I think it would give us so much
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: more of like a, our state versus yours.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: It used to be more that way with college, but it's,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: that's in a, in a crazy place now.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: The college game. It's gotten bad. I think it's good.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: People are getting paid. I just don't think they figured
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: it out yet. Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I think we're in like the kind of the wild
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: west years of it.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Um, do you, the, the bears might be moving their stadium.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Did you see that? I saw that. What do you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: think about that? Well, I'd like to see him stay. Um,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: But I think they've got to figure something out with
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: the state. I haven't followed it too closely. What do
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: you know about it?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: It seems like, and Zach's one of our producers is
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: a— Bears. He's a Bengals fan, but he's in the know.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: It seems like it's because time is ticking for Illinois
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: lawmakers to make a better offer for the Bears. On Thursday,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Indiana pushed legislation forward that clears the way for the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Bears to build a new stadium in Hammond. Is it
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: just because they're willing to give them more money?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's something to do with economics, obviously. So
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know what. I think there's big tax incentives
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: to go over to Hammond, Indiana.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: And Hammond, Indiana isn't exactly like the coolest place.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So I think there's some people upset. It's close, though.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: It's right over the. Yeah. And Chicago has such a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: vibe in that city. I think people seem to be like,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: why leave?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: And also, if you move something to a new place,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: then there's going to be so much surrounding.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: They can put in all types of other things to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: go on.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like to see it, it's the second
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: oldest franchise in the NFL. The oldest is the Cardinals,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: which is from Illinois originally, before they went to St. Louis. Oh, St.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals? Well, it was originally the Illinois. It was Chicago.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: It was from Illinois. That's the oldest team in the NFL,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals. So they were from Illinois. And then they
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: went to St. Louis, and then they ended up in Arizona.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: They're like a senior citizen as you get older. You
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: start to move warmer and warmer, right? Yeah. They follow
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: the moving habits of like someone who's retired. Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: But the Bears– They're in hospice now. The Bears are
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: such a crazy– George Hallis, it's so crazy that it's
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: only the NFC trophies named after him because he was
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: really the– he was the first one to get a
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: college player to play for the NFL, the Galloping Ghost.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Did you know that? Well, originally pro football was just
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: farmers and there was no well-known names because there was
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: no money in it. And college football was real popular–
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: But going to college was even harder back then. So
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: when you'd come out of college, if you had a degree,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: you had a real opportunity to earn money.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Unless you were good, you would go work. Like, I'm
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: not going to go screw, I can't go screw around
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and be irresponsible. With a bunch of these rednecks and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go play football and no one's watching.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: So Halas, he played for the Yankees. He was a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: baseball player.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: He went to Red Grange from the University of Illinois
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: and he said, I'll give you half the gate. If
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: you come on a barnstorming tour, we'll go play places.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: And then people showed up, they'd go watch Red Grange,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: who was a big time college player. And so when
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: they got Red Grange to play with the Bears, they
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: knew if they could get the college guys to come in,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: the fans would grow, and then the college guys were
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: more open to it, because you could pay them, because
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: you'd get the fans to fill up the stadiums. And
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: then when they first did it, whatever college you were from,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: you would play for that local team because the college
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: would already be a fan of you, the people in
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: the area would be a fan. Right, so let's sell
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: tickets that way. And then they started the draft after that.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: But George Hallis did everything. He was a player, he
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: was a coach, he was an owner. He beat Lombardi
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: as a coach in his heyday one year. He coached
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the team and did well. But he started so much
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: that's in the NFL today, Papa Bear. He's really probably
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: the most important figure in the NFL. George Hallis? George Hallis.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: It would be a shame, and he's from Chicago, so
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: it would be a shame- to see that team leave
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: that city with that history, for sure. But I hope they,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't really looked into it, but I hope they're
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: able to figure it out and come to terms that
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: work for everybody. But he's an amazing figure in sports.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: And they named the NFC trophy after him, the House Trophy.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Bring up that Red Grange picture. Thank you, George Hallis,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: for your efforts. Look at Red Grange.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: The galping goes.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the other quarterback you could make the argument.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: For is Otto Graham. He was from Waukegan, Illinois. When
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: you look at him, it's crazy. I think he won,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but did he win seven championships
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: in 10 years as a quarterback? I think he played
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: for the Browns, right? Otto Graham. But here's what's interesting
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: about him. He went to Northwestern. He had a 300
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: batting average in college. And that's when everyone played baseball
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: because baseball was the only way to make real money.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: It was king. And he played basketball in college. And
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I think he won what would be an NBA championship.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: He was like the sixth man on a pro team.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: So he won a championship in professional basketball, hit 300
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: in college. And I think as a quarterback, did he
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: win seven championships in 10 years, right? Yeah. Is that right?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Is that crazy? Think about that. And everyone wants to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: say the goat, the goat, but you can't really compare
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: era to era. Jordan said, it's hard to say who
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the greatest of all time was because it was different
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: rules at different time. And one person learns from the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: next person. So Otto Graham dominated his era. Obviously, Brady
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: dominated his era, you know, and this guy. So it's
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: so hard to compare era to era who was the best.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I think sports always want to sell you now that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: you're watching the best ever because it sells tickets. Who
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to feel like they're watching the best product ever?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: But it's a totally different game than it was back
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: when you could hit a quarterback, when LT played. Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that it's not better that they've
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: changed it. I'm just saying it's hard to compare one
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: quarterback from an era to another.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Well, they never had turf toe when we were growing up.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Right. When did they come out with that? I don't know.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, though?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Like, you would never hear a guy as turf toe.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: You would hear a guy's toe was in pain, so
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: he carved it off with his wife's nail clippers on
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: the way to the stadium so he could still play.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: That was Ronnie Lott, right? He took his finger off.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: He ripped his finger off so he could play. It's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: a different era, yeah. Yeah, let me see that shit.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: That's the thing I always marvel at. That's crazy, though, too.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Ronnie Lott ripped his finger off. He's like, I'm going
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: back in. That's a dedication. That's not a hobby. But,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: you know, that's what I always think is crazy. When
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: you hear about boxers, what's the longest boxing fight of
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: all time?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: It used to be like 27 rounds.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: I think someone fought 100 rounds. Am I crazy? Could
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: you jump rope for 100 rounds? For three minutes? No way.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: What's the longest fight?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's probably the one in Gaza right now,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: but I'm assuming that.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Andy Bowen and Jack Burke, the longest boxing match in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: history was 110 round bout. Bro.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Because they used to fight until someone couldn't answer it.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: But at the end, were you just whispering heavily at
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: each other?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I think you're in the bathroom a lot. I don't
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: even think anyone saw it. So that's the thing that's crazy.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: And they would fight like, look how many fights these
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: guys had. These guys would fight like 10 times a year.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Now they're fighting twice a year. How many fights did
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Sugar Ray Robinson have? Did he have like 300 or something?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a guy will have maybe 30.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: 30? Because they space it out. But how do you
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: compare these guys? What was his record? I can't see.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: At the end, he was 174 in 19 and 6.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: So just about 200. What? Isn't that crazy? Oh, my gosh.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Your daughter must have been stevia by the end of that, dude.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: He had the aspartame beat out of him.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: You don't think he ever had– he probably had a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: turf toe.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: He probably had a turf head at a certain point, dude.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. But the difference was– That's unbelievable. Why
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: do you think someone could be like that?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the stuff that they're not– but this
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: is– I remember when my dad grew up, and he'd
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: go to the farm where his dad was, because his
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: parents were divorced, so in the summer he'd go work
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: the farm. But they didn't have any running water, so
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: he said when they would bath, they'd go.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Down to the fucking creek and fill up the thing
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: with water, they'd boil it, and.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Then dad would bathe, then his older brother, then him.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: But that wasn't that long ago. So if you go
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: back then, everything took physical strength. Like just moving around.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: No one was sitting around playing Mario Kart in between games. Right,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: your thumbs were the strongest parts of your body. So
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you were always like just doing anything took so much
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: energy and strength. You're using your muscles every day. So
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I think they train smarter, they know more, but there's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: more downtime and less strain on your body doing daily tasks.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: But back then, these guys were just getting from place
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: A to place B was exhausting. But I don't know
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: how you could fight 110 rounds. I don't know if
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: you could do jumping jacks for 110 rounds. It's so crazy,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: how did they do that? Remember, they used to have
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: 15 round fights and then they went to 12, because
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: they thought 15 was too much. So I don't know
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: how to compare. How do you compare someone How do
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: you compare someone from that era to this era? It's
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: just a different time. It's impossible. It's a different sport.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: And also they say the diet has gotten better. If
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: all these things had gotten better, you'd think that they
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: would be able to do it more. But then part
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: of it probably has been that the commercialization of it
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: has come in. And like, well, let's only have it
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: be here so we can have the viewership and have
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: the sell the tickets then.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: So that could be part of it. Or understanding safety
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: back then. Like you said, they wouldn't even know what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: turf toe was. It was just you moved on.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, every other person had a glass eye. When I
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: was a kid, every other person had a glass eye.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Like if some guy was going to, I remember at
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: the fair or whatever when they kept, fair would come.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: You'd have a guy that would sit there and have
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: a hat full of people's glass. You'd set it and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: therefore you went on the ride. They put their eyes
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: out because they didn't want to lose it on the Tilt-A-Whirl?
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people that had one. They leave their eye in
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: the bag?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: They leave it in a little basket or whatever. Basket
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: for eyes and lose change or whatever.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: That's an exciting hometown. I never saw that. Get it
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: when you come back out. But you'd have four of
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: them in there at a time. That'd be tough on
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: a date. There'd be some rides you couldn't go on.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe we're not going on the Tilt-A-Whirl. Honey, let's go
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: on the.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: What's that one that goes up real slow?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Ferris wheeler. the Ferris wheel.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Isn't that the slow one where you kind of sit
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: at the top? Oh yeah. That's what you're not going
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: on that salt and pepper ride where.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: You're fucking going up and down.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: But you should do that with friends. We dare them.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: We'd go have like hot dogs or hamburgers. And then
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: at the end you dare someone, can anyone eat all
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: this for 20 bucks? And someone would be desperate for money.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: So they'd be like, fuck, we don't kick it. And
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: they'd be like, I'm gonna have a shake. I'll eat
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: those chili fries. I'll finish that chicken breast sandwich. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: then you'd say, okay, another 20 bucks if you go
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: on that salt and pepper ride and they'd fucking lose
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: their shit. But yeah, I mean, it's a different, it's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: so weird. I also think the food might've been healthier Oh,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure. Because remember they went through that whole stuff
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: with the oil, seed oil, and we know it's bad
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: for you. Yeah. But they went through a whole thing
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: saying you should cook with that. But back then, people
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: were just cooking with butter.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I think the food was healthy. It was more natural.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: It was less fucked up food in some ways. Dude,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: strong saliva, dip spit. People were cooking it. You know
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Did you start dipping young?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I used to work on a farm, so
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: we would chew the– like the block of tobacco like
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: red man yeah like that um.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Would you like skull win a green like the circular.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: One no no we plug tobacco we all we had
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: a thing yeah so we did like plug when i
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: first started as a kid we didn't know it was
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: that bad for you because we knew smoking was bad
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: but you would think this wouldn't hurt your then they
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: started showing pictures in the school of people missing their
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: jaws but oh yeah but but originally you thought it's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: not bad.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: For your win but was all like the skull, wintergreen,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: like the circle stuff.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: And then, but the red man was the leaf. But
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: the first time you do it, you're going to vomit.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I puked out of my friend's mom's car.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Older kids are like, here, try this.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they will watch you fucking vomit.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Were you in a car? Yeah.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I sat out of each window. I was like, oh,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm sick just at this window. And I sat
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: out of each window and puked out of each window.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: There's no way to keep it in more than two
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: or three minutes. You're on the, you're on the ground.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: It was the worst.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: It still makes me fucking sick. It was cherry skull
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: or something. Do you remember the first alcohol you got
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: really drunk on?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, of course.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: So I remember climbing up a shelf in my brother's closet.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I found pornos. They had pornos up there. That was
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: a surprise. You weren't expecting that. It was a lot
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: of surprises. This one shelf I'd never been to. They
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: had a little stack of towels. You were a ground barrier,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: and he was putting shit up high. He was a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: mountain hider. I'm like, oh, this is where things are
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: up here.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: And I got up there, and I remember this kind
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: of like, and I found liquor up there.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was it?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Alizé, it was called. It was like a pretty, more
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of an urban liqueur, I think. Bring it up, a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: bottle of it. It was considered an urban liqueur right there.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: The orange was so good.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had it since?
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: I've never had it since.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: See, that's how it is. My first drunk was Peppermint Snops,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: and I never touched it again. I think the first
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: time you get really drunk, you never revisit that.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Ever. Ever. Ever. How did you do it? Were you
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: playing quarters or were you just drinking by yourself? Were
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: you with friends?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: Were you by yourself? I was by myself. Climbed up there.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I remember drinking and then watching porno or whatever.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: You started off as a fun afternoon.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: But here, 30 years later, it's still been an issue,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Did you just go through like what? Like a quarter
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: of a bottle or a couple glasses?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I think I had four sips, jerked off, and then
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: blacked out.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You woke up with the evidence all around.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: You didn't even clean up the crime scene.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Woke up, yeah, with my glass eye and a hat.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Friends were over here. I'm pissed that they
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: left the house.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mom, can you believe some kid came over here,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: jerked off on my stomach, and drank some of this
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and left, mom?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: Times have changed. With your new movie, if you could go, Mike, Nick, Nick,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: and Alice, if you could go, because your character kind
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: of goes back in time to make something different. Is
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: there a time if you could go back in time
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: that you would go back to kind of like, I
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: know it's a general question, it's kind of whatever, but,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: you know, it fits with the film, man.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: And it makes you think, what would you go back
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: to change? Because I think it used to be people
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: would be like, I'd go back and stop Hitler. I'd
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: go back and help Napoleon or do whatever.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: You think you would.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Or I'd go back and be in Jumanji 1 or whatever.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: But then now it's like people I think would do
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: individual things. Like I'd go back and buy a Bitcoin
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: It's more realistic. Right.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: It's a crazy thing to think you're going to go
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: and– be the one guy to fucking go to the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: king and tell him to shut the fuck up.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: And no one else is, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Like people are always like that. It makes me laugh.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I go do the, Oh, would you have? Yeah, maybe dude,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I'll go back and tell him. Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Obviously no one's walking up to the guy and saying,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Hey Hitler, calm down.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll be the guy.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Have you thought about in your life what
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you would do?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I think I would go back maybe to a certain
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: time probably. And, uh, I think I could have been
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: better like in this one relationship I was in probably.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: That's a great thing that you feel that. But I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: would say to you, I have had those thoughts. But
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: then I realize you have to travel down every road
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: you travel down and you don't get to learn those
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: lessons without making those mistakes. And so you're kind of
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: in a good spot now. You're very reflective. You think
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: about stuff. And so maybe if you hadn't gone through
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: those things, not that you want to get hurt or
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: hurt anyone, but sometimes you got to go through those lessons.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: And so like what we were talking about earlier, where
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I said, you can ask for those things now, you
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: got to take that knowledge and bring that to your
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: new thing. And maybe you think if you went back,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: but normally the person you were dating was sometimes had
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: their own lessons to learn. And that's why you found
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: each other. And you can romanticize, like, what if we
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: were each different people, but you weren't? And hopefully you're
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: both better people from the experience. So I think you
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: can not go back to that, but you can take
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the lessons and have something great now. And I don't
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: know that you would have been in that relationship with
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: that exact person if you were a different person at
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: that time. There was probably something with her going on, too,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: that drew you guys together to teach each other that,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: whatever that experience was. Make sense? Yeah.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it does make sense, man. Yeah, I think
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: there's just like probably it's almost like an ego part
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: of it once I think about it now from that.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you just wish you could go back
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: and love somebody differently.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: I love that. But you can love that person different now.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: And it's okay, Theo, because how would you have known
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: that unless you're going through it? It's like kids. Sometimes
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: you take something away from a kid and then you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: see him cry. If you're just playing with toys, you go, oh,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: that doesn't feel good. But I don't know that you
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: can learn that without seeing the response of somebody else.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But that's the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: thing with nostalgia is you can get excited, I think...
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: about doing those things the right way now. So you
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: you're nostalgic because you look back at those, you don't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: want to hurt anybody. You wish you could have played
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: it out differently, but it played out the way it
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: was supposed to for where you and that person was at.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: And also it's our ego. We're not that powerful, right?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes, I don't know if you've ever suffered from this,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: but I, I could really get caught up in trying
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: to help friends. And then I realized I use so
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: much time and energy And I'm really not that powerful. Like,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: I can't want them to change in the same way
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: that I probably had people try to help me and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: I wasn't ready to change. So you really can't get
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: someone to a place that you think is right for them.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: You can say it once. You can, you know, you
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: can encourage them. Right. You can give them grace and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: be there for them. But ultimately, you can't really make
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: that kind of a big shift with them. Yeah. Have
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: you found that?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure. You think you can. Or there's
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: times where it's like, yeah, I didn't try this enough
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: or something like that. But yeah, yeah, I couldn't. Because
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: I think we're hurting.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: And so when we find better ways of doing things,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: we want everyone to have that. Oh, yeah. And I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: don't know if you felt this way, but I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I had to go through a lot of it on
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: my own. You know, like I had to learn those
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: lessons and figure it out when like the cavalry showed
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: up and saved me. Not that I didn't have good
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: people in my life. But everyone does. They have to
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: go through those stages too.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you have to see something that like surprises
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: you enough or you have to sometimes– You have to
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: hit a level for you that's like, this has to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: be different, you know? Right. But yeah, you can't. Like,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you can offer suggestions. You can kind of show somebody.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: You can lead by example sometimes.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: And I think you can reflect on times when you
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: handle stuff in ways that you feel good about.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do enough of that sometimes.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: But I bet you have a lot of it.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I probably have some good ones, yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some really good ones. And as you get older,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: don't you think more and more? Yeah. And so that's
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: what's in front of you. And so that's why I
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: would say the nostalgia is, I like that. for myself too,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: but I realize at some point I have to take
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: those things and really try to do it with what's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: in front of me now. And I think you can
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: have that exact relationship instead of saying, wasting time on saying, well,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm older now, I should have started this younger. You
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: can say, I know these things now and I'm going
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: to start it now. And I'm going to get a
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: great experience based on the things I know. Cause the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: other just takes you in a place where you're kind
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: of not allowing it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's making sure that you're learning from
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: the past, you know?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you feel excited for what's in front
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: of you and you can't really go back. And that's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: the thing with stuff. It's like, you got to look
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: at it and learn from it. You can't, but then
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: at some point you got to move forward.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like anything, it's like a set. What
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: did I do? Right. What did I do wrong? What
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: should I have done? But at some point you're good
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: to move on and go to the next set. Cause
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: if you just dwell on that set, you can get
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: stuck in it to the point where it's counterproductive. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: Do you have a process for that of dealing with? Oh,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have a good process now that you
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: feel good about? I think it's gotten better.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: I think even having conversations like this are probably helpful
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: to be honest about it.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: You know, same for me too.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Having things that are like reminders and be like, yeah.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: And that's, that it's, yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: And I think you can take the things that you've
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: done well at that in your professional life and apply
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: those same principles to our personal life.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Or try to, um, But I don't know that I
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: would go back to answer your question because, and I
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: don't mean- But you're characteristic of that. If you would
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: have asked me 10 years ago, I would have said, oh,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: for sure. Because I'm not saying there's not things I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: didn't handle really bad or things I regret. Of course
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: there is. But I think I couldn't change those because
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have come out as
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: different or stronger or at least more thoughtful if I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: hadn't gone through those experiences. You got to walk down
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: every road, I think. So I like the idea that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: I could go back. But maybe you fuck up some
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: other shit. Yeah, dude.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Oh, I think I probably would.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: I just maybe would push the lesson until later. Yeah.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: If I still make some of the same mistakes. It's
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: not like, you know, you get better at it. I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: find that the time in between the mistakes is long.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: But they never go away all the way.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: And your reaction to them and giving yourself a little
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: bit more grace, but yeah, and making sure you don't
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: go down and making sure sometimes that you don't like,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: maybe hurt other people as much, you know, you know, or,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: or just like.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: You're very thoughtful. I bet you don't do that very often.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: You're more respectful of their feelings in a way, not
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: like actually hurt somebody, but.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: But I know what you mean. Hurt doesn't mean physical necessarily.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: It means that you made someone feel unloved or unwanted
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: or underappreciated. Like a bruised banana or whatever. Yeah. But
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, there's also a thing with being funny and connecting.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. Cause it's, I really enjoy teasing
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: with friends sometimes. And if someone showed any weakness, we'd
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: kill you until it didn't bother you. Anything that bothered you,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: that was gonna be the topic of jokes until you
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: got over it. It wasn't our job to make you okay.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. You had to fuck it. And
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: I think some of that was good. Oh, dude, it
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: was the best, bro. We would fucking, everybody would pick
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: on you. Everybody, but everybody got it. You would all
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: deal with it. And now everything is, now it's more
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: like bullying. Dude, I saw two Waymos bullying a fucking
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Kia Sorento. On the way here.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: And I was like, nobody's helping this guy or whatever,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: this female. I don't know what a kid is.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: But with comedy, we were just brutal. Oh, so much fun.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: And if we knew it bothered you, it would never stop.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: So it was a weird concept to me where I thought,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: you're not making fun of each other.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were just communicating. Even animals call each other names,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: I bet, a lot.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: You know, we just won't know it.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: They're at least signaling that they're not into what they're doing. Yeah.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Um, but your character has to go back in time.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: I do want to make sure that I talk about
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: your movie a little bit more and then we'll get
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: you out of here. Um, and thanks so much for
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: your time today, man.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's great to hang with you. I enjoy listening
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: to you and appreciate, appreciate you. So it's fun to
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: get a chance to sit and talk with.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Well, same man. Thanks for all the entertainment and, uh,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: inspiration and like, yeah, just so much good humor over
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: the years. Thank you.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Back, back at you.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Um, Yeah, because your character goes back in time, not
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: really to help himself, though, kind of.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: That's right. Well, isn't it to help himself in a way? Oh,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: that's a good point. He doesn't love the way that
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: he's handled stuff. Right. And he realizes the pain he caused.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: You don't think that's what it's for in the beginning,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: You kind of get, yeah, like you get that as
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: it goes along a little bit.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give away too.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Much of it because there's moments in it that were
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: very like a surprise to me. I was like, oh.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: There's some good twists.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: But I think the concept's right. And I think all
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: of us hopefully are that way. I don't know. I
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: think people are happier when you're thinking about others more.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: And I don't say that in like a kind way,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: like I'm great. I mean, just as a general feeling,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: you feel better when you are thoughtful of others and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: connecting with them than when it's all about you. But
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: we never had friends like that. We wouldn't hang out
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: with somebody that would talk about themselves all fucking day.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Would you?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't even have it as much back then.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: No. You wouldn't be at the fucking, you wouldn't be included.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to hear about it. No one wants to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: hear how you're killing it all day. It's so weird.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: But you know what I find now? Like parents do
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: with their kids, it's everywhere. Me, me, me. It's so crazy.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: It's just in general, I think there's way more of a,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: it's odd because you're mirroring the one hand that what
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: we were talking about with this kind of better than now.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it's really kind of about
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: ourselves more. It's a weird cultural moment. Yeah.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, we just see so much reflection of ourselves,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and we don't have a lot of time
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: to integrate. That's one of the biggest things I know
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: is that you should be like, you go see a
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: movie or you would read a book or you would
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: read some pages of a book or things like that.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: And then your brain and your heart and stuff would
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: have time to integrate stuff. But now it's like we'll
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: get onto our phone or there's a next thing, there's
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: a next call, there's so much connection that you're not
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: really processing.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Are you good at downtime and processing?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I'm getting better at it.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Because I want it more. I start to realize, oh,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: there's so much peace in this thing. It's like, yeah,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: it's almost there's nowhere to hide from the electronica, it
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: feels like sometimes these days.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: For sure. I could be guilty. You get a game
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: or something that you like.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but your phone, a game, a TV, another screen,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: they are an advertisement, whatever. Even just a little Chinese
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: guy that's just telling you something.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: It never ends.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: There's just a lot of information coming at you.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Do you have a good group of pals and people
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: that you connect with and hang out with a lot
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: in Nashville or here? Or is it more like everyone's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: in different locations and you hook up and you hook up?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: But I got to do a little bit better. I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: think I need to branch out a little bit more.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: I know good people.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: So I think sometimes I have to be- But I
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: like my alone time.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it can be isolating for me too at
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: a certain point.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: I like to recharge. I like that. And then I
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: do like to hang out. Yeah. But I'm not someone
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: who wants to hang out four days a week. Did
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: you feel a responsibility?
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Because you did that- Is Swingers when we all go
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: to Las Vegas?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so do you ever feel like a responsibility
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: to people that were going to Vegas? Like some guy
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: that got like GHB'd by a hooker or something and
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: it's like- I'm here because of Vin.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel any, like you ever lay in
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: bed at night and be like, how many dudes are
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: laying without a kidney in an ice bath right now?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: No, I always looked at like storytelling and comedy. Like,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: you know, there are stories like campfire stories, same with comedy.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: So they're not like how-to books. But people take them
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, but it's crazy. It's like, you know,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: I remember like when I would watch, you know, you know,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: fun movies that they were escapism, but I never, we
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: were never so fucking dumb that we were like, Oh,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: they're telling me like, I got to go out and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: risky business. I got to go get some hookers and
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: fucking get into Harvard. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Like they were, they were having fun with, they were
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: having fun with what was going on at the culture.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: So like in that movie, it was the mom and
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: dad are like, you got to go to Harvard. You
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: can't fucking have a party. And he's like, I'm a
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: fucking horny teenager. I'm looking to fucking mix it up.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: I'm living right now. And so the idea of that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: was the thing that was a problem, saying what the fuck,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: and running hookers as a pimp for the suburban kids,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: that's actually the thing that got him into Harvard, right?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy movie, but we never were like, oh yeah,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: these guys are my parents and they're telling me I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: better go fucking start a brothel out of my fucking basement,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: going back to basements. Like no, it was escapism, it's fun.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: So like Swingers is really about friends helping a friend
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: get past a breakup. But who wants to watch perfect people?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: These are people that have some good, some bad, and
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: that's the journey of the story. where you go through
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: people and you get to learn from what they did
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: right or what they did wrong. If you go back
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: to like even the Bible or Greek mythology, some of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: these morality tales, it's like someone does this and here's
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: the consequences of it. They're not all stories like everyone's
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: doing everything right. Most of these human stories are someone
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: made a decision based on ego or what was important
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: in the moment and they paid the price. Right. And
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: those are important stories. Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Well, there were, yeah, like Moral Tales, like Aesop's Fables
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: they had when I was a kid. They had different
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: things like that. I wonder if they still had that
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: stuff for kids because there was a lot of stuff
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: that was kind of common in culture that was where
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: you would learn things from. But yeah, if you watch
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Forrest Gump and you go out and break both your
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: legs so.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: You can- And try to run across the country. Yeah, dude.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Then I guess you're like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Forrest in some- I never took that serious. It's like,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: where are the parents at?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like same with albums. When we were kids,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: they started putting these warning labels on an album.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, parental advisor.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Remember that? It was like Tipper O'Neill or something. They
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: were putting like these.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: It said parental advisor. It was a black and white sticker.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: But that would make us buy it. Yeah. It's like,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: let me hear that fucking. Let me hear it, dude.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Parental guidance. But like as kids, we weren't like, when
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: I was listening to NWA, this wasn't like a fucking
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: how-to manual. Yeah. I was digging someone having a strong.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: opinion yeah unapologetic from their experience i was like fuck
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: i want to let me let me fucking listen to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: that that's fun but we were never so fucking dumb
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: do you know i mean that's part of the problem
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: that they make it i was like everyone's so fucking
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: stupid that what if you see you know any like
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: any kind of movie or story that it's somehow encouraging
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: kids to do it it's like shut the fuck up
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: i'm gonna listen to rock and roll and watch some
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: people make some bad decisions and laugh You know what
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, when did that become a thing where, like,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: if you do a set, you're funny, I hear your shit.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: It was lawsuits.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: That's what did it, probably. People sued for a thing, probably.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if you got so attached, you're like, oh,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I believe this, now I'm gonna.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Like, when you do your sets, and I enjoy them,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: sometimes you're going further with a point of view to
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: get a point across. You're not hoping you're reaching some
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: fucking eight-year-old kid to go follow, you know what I mean?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: You're like. Right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all a bunch of shit.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: You're being entertaining and fun. And I think there's a
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: place for that. I think, if anything, that's what, That's
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: what got in the way was that everyone started to
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: put these things under a microscope. Like, I don't know,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: like when we were kids in school, if we go
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: to the auditorium and they would give us like a
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: safety film on fucking bicycles, we'd just make fun of
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: that shit all day long. I'm not telling kids to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: go out and, you know, but everyone's gotta assume whatever
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: risk you wanna take. Like everyone's different. You gotta decide,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: are you gonna cross the highway? because you want to
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: get to that candy store and try to dodge the cars.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: No one should do that. But everyone ultimately is going
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: to make their choices.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there'll be people that do and people that don't,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: you know? Right.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: But how do we.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I saw a bike video and I was like, first
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: of all, I'm never wearing a bike helmet because I
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: understand it's safe. I know it is, but I don't
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: want my children to see me in a bike helmet
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: because my son and I would never be able to
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: make eye contact the same way.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, now all the kids have to. We didn't
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: know what the fuck that was. And in a way,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: I think it kept us, in some ways, this is,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: but I felt like I was safer because I could
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: try to jump that.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: But there ain't no fucking way I'm going to jump that.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Because the helmet. Yeah.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Like we knew, I may get some fucking scabs and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: shit and hit my face if I put like, you know,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: a wooden board on two things. But I'm not doing
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: five because I don't have a fucking helmet. You know
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like it was self-regulatory. If you got
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: me all fucking Michelin man and dressed up, I might
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: try to, go back like evil and try to jump
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: the fucking snake river. But I'm just saying like entertainment
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: and stories, you know, I think have fun with it
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: and you should watch it. But I mean, really what,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: what percentage of the population thinks that it's a how
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: to book? Yeah.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: And by the way, do we cater everything? to the fucking,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: excuse me, naive kid who's looking to jump on any
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: story he sees. Like, that's the way to live his life?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: It's kind of what we do. That's kind of what
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: we've done anyway.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: And hopefully that's kind of correcting course.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: We can't watch Dirty Harry because you think you can
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: just go fucking shoot a criminal without talking to him? No,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: it's escape. You're like, yeah, that motherfucker. You know what
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, you like it as a story.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: But that's what it was.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: But I think everyone kind of got that more. Like,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't listening to... No, but really... I wasn't listening
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: to rock and hip-hop and shit. Right, but.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: I think it was lawyers that did it. They're like, oh,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: this is what happened.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Or the do-gooders. Maybe they meant well. Right. But don't
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: you create a whole other series of problems? Because if
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: you can't express those feelings through movies and songs, where
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: do those feelings go?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Like, if storytelling and stand-up or movies isn't the place to...
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: Or podcast... If we can't express ideas, there are feelings.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: What do you do with those? You can't have those feelings?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think one day a smile will be in
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: a museum and you go to see it, you know?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: I really do. I hope not.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I hope not, too. Ultimately, I
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: know you don't believe that. I don't think I really,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a joke.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: You think there's a warning of it.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Right. I think we're getting closer. We're going to push
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: against it. If you want to see feelings, you'll have
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: to go to a museum. Oh, this was happiness.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Look, children. I think these kids sometimes, I think there's
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: a place for, I think it's good. I'm not saying
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: it's all. The pendulum always goes too far in one direction.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's good to have skills to talk about stuff.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: But it's always a little bit like this. If you
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: have a breakup with a girl that's bad and we're friends,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going to clear the decks. Our other friends are
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: going to do it. And we want to hear everything
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: you got to say about this breakup. And we're going
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: to give you our perspective. And we're going to really
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: focus on it. And that may go on for a week.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: But after three weeks... you're not allowed to talk about
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: it anymore. There's nothing else to say. We got to
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: drop it and move on. You got to get in
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: a new bad relationship. You know what I mean? Like
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: we can't keep talking about that. And so I think
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: what happens sometimes is we're indulging, talking and exploring it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: There's a time to do it. You need to do it.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: But at some point, if you're always bringing up the stuff,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: you just kind of stay depressed. Yeah. Like there's a
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: process to digesting it. And then there's a process of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: pushing it away and trying to get into something new.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: But if you're only focused on it, it just doesn't
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: go away.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you're kind of getting addicted to self-pity too at
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: that point in a way. Or you're just always living
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: in that and it's going to make you sad.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's something that's kind of like
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: been kind of a society– just a weird tour that
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: we took in society of like that there's something always
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: wrong with us.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Well, who isn't there something wrong with?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody has something wrong with it.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: As you get older, you start to go, my God,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: everyone's a little nuts. Yeah. Like we're all holding it together.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: But if you see people by themselves, like there's no
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: one you would be like, that guy's like at home living.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like everyone's got shit that's crazy. Hopefully. Hopefully.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Dude, the best thing is imagining that people are at
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: home just fucking. You know, putting lips.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: Urban liqueur. Yeah.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Urban liqueur and hopefully some French magazine.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Club.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: El Club, I think it was called.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: Le Club.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Your movie comes out on Hulu March 27th. And, oh,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Tatro's in it. His character is hilarious in it. Yeah,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: he's a great guy.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: He's good. Yeah, he's funny.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: He's a cool guy. Asa Marsden, they're all good in it.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: That's the lady in it?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's real foxy. Yeah. And then the
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: other guy, James Marsden.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: That plays Mike.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: He was cool. Yeah. And he's a good actor. He's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: a good actor. Yeah, he did a good job.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of good facial stuff and, like, a lot of, like, yeah, he's, like,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: good looking, but he also is entertaining. He reminds me
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: of Rob Lowe a little bit.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I could see that. Yeah. Handsome guy. Likeable. Right.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: But also, like, not just being handsome.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Not just being handsome.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Vince Vaughn, thanks so much. Great to sit with you. Nope. Yep.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for the Bears next season, man.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: We'll be cheering them. Cool. Is that kind of an
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: adopted team? That's my surrogate team. Yeah, I got you.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Just because we grew up so much. I grew up
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: there watching like, you know, like the only baseball teams
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: that existed were like.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Cubs and Braves.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Cubs, Braves, Cardinals though.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cardinals dominated.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Like collecting like Ozzie Smith cards.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Coleman. Yeah. Vince Coleman.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Vince Coleman, Ozzie Smith.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: They were dominant.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Cardinals were always dominant. Dude, you ever hung out with
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Mark Grace before?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: I met him. Yeah. Yeah, he's a great guy. He's
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: the best. He has the best stories.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: He was a hell of a player.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was so good. But those were the times.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Andre Dawson, all those guys, Rick Sutcliffe.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Greg Maddux. Love that team.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: That was like, there was like only three or four
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: teams that existed, it felt like.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were popular. They had personalities. But Cardinals have
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: been good forever. They're always fine. Lately, not as much.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: But they've always been dominant. Cubs, as you know, was
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: a long story. So it was a big deal when
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: we finally won. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you thought of all the- Are you with
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: the Titans at all? I wish they would draft Diego
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Pavia for the same reason that we said, that he
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: played at Vanderbilt, he crushed it there.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: I think- How fun was that kid to watch? So
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: much fun. Dude, I love that dude's spirit. I loved
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: watching that boy play. A kid from my high school
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: played wide receiver for him. Oh, really? Yeah, younger than me. me,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: because he's playing now, obviously. What's his name? It's not
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: like some 50-year-old had some eligibility on his fucking ears. Well,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: they'd probably give him another. Hoskins, his last name was Hoskins. Oh,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Richie Hoskins? I knew his sister real well. Bro, Richie's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: a dog, bro. He was good, right?
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Dude, he caught a couple, he caught some passes that
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: only he could catch, bro.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there he is. Yeah, they were dogs, dude. I
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: knew his aunt would have been my grade and was
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: a nice gal. But he played for them. So I watch.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: My high school puts out a lot of really good athletes,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: people that still to this day, Lake Forest High School,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: Public High School in Illinois, and a lot of people
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: do well. But this was an exciting year for Vandy.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: And that quarterback.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Diego Pavia, yeah.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: He was like this. I'm going to go to his pro. Oh,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: he's like that. Come and get it. Yeah, he was
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: super fun to watch. He's going pro now. Is he done?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Yep, he's training right now down in Tampa.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Where did he transfer from?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: He transferred from New Mexico State and then before that,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: New Mexico School of Mines. I think he could have
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: gotten one more year, actually, but.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: He's going to strike while the iron's hot.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: He's already in. Yeah, he's already going in.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: He's not tall. Well, that's the thing. They came out
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: and said that.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: It was like, so you're telling me he did this
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: great at not even the same height as some of
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: these other guys?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: It's true. Sometimes that motivates you to get better. Well,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: Brady was that in a way, right? He didn't hit
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: the prototype and made him work harder. I mean, being
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: tall wasn't his thing, but they also made it like–
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: but he obviously– sometimes the thing that they label you
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: as a disadvantage makes you stronger because– you have to
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: work harder. But that dude's a winner, bro.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Who do you want to bet? You
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: want to bet on somebody that wins every time they.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Say you can't?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: At an academic school in the SEC at Vanderbilt. I mean,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: you're playing big-time football every week. When's the last time
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Vanderbilt was in that position?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Never. And so the fact that this kid was a
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: part of that with a lot of other great players
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: and did that well, that's that intangible quality that has
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: to mean something. And that's the shit. That's the shit's
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: getting lost in this evaluation.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Always. In everything. It's so stupid. Yeah, it is. There's
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: a place for it. Yeah. But not the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm glad we all got that out of
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: our systems.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you too, Vince. Thanks so much, man. And
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: we'll check it out. Everybody, it's on Hulu, March 27th.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: Cornerstone Oh but when I reach that ground I'll share
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: this peace of mind I found I can feel it
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: in my bones