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Why Music Therapy Works with Tracey Puckhaber | Buying Local S3E48 · Buying Local Podcast

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Welcome everyone to Buying Local.
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I'm your host, Mike Nelson from 5 Towers Media joined today.
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But Tracy, I know I'm going to mess up your last name so you
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better you better yourself to the audience.
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My name is Tracy Puckieber. Would you have been close?
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Pronounced. I think I would have been close.
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Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, you never know
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when you get a bunch of consonants together, they can
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have a lot of different ways, so.
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I went from A5 letter last name to A8 or 9 so I feel that.
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Tracy, also, do you have a bunch of like letters next to your
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name on the Zoom thing? Do those stand for anything
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notable? I do, yes.
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So the Ms. is masters of science.
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So I did my masters at Malloy College, which I think now is
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actually Malloy University in Rockville Center on Long Island.
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And then the MCBC is I am a music therapist.
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So it's music therapies, music therapist, board certified.
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So in order to be a music therapist who practices, one
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must be board certified. OK, all right.
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And I know we're going to get into a little bit about the
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music therapy here further, but you know, I wanted to just kind
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of talk a little bit about nourishing minds tutoring and,
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and, and what they do. So can you give us kind of the
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the 30,000 foot view? Sure.
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So nourishing minds. I've been with Nursing Minds
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since January of 24 and I am their resident music therapist,
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their only music therapist at the moment.
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So I do music therapy. I've done some tutoring with
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them as well. So the one of the I feel like
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the best things about nursery minds is that there is no brick
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and mortar building. So it's really just word of
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mouth, it's referrals, it's networking, it's virtual, it's
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in person. We work from ages pre-K through
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college. We do college prep, we do test
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prep. We have a bunch of contracts
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with school districts. So if there's issues with a
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kiddo being in school, whether it's behavioral or medical, and
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they are not able to be in school presently, that's where
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we come in. And we provide tutoring in
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either their home or at a library or at the school
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sometimes too. Very nice.
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And I know obviously for people that listen to the show on a
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regular basis, Chris has been on a few times over the last couple
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of years. Yes, we've talked about it.
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Yeah. Were you guys talking about it?
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Yeah, he. Said he's never watched himself
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on one of these. He always makes Lauren, his
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wife, watch. Yeah, I mean, I, I can attest to
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that. I, I have a real tough time
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going back through and listening to our episodes and watching
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them. And yeah, you know, we're just
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all so self critical, I feel. Oh yeah, 100%.
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I cringe every time. I myself.
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So, yeah, so. Additionally to Music Therapy
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for Nourishing Minds, I've also recently taken on the role of
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business development representative.
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So I'm taking some stuff off of Chris's plate.
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So like some of the admin stuff, so onboarding and all those
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kinds of things. Very.
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Nice. Yeah, I've seen you at some
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networking events and getting out there in the community.
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And great. I know, I think, I think I saw
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you at the the the Adirondack Chamber event right a few months
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back. Yes, July.
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That was my first one, yeah. Yes.
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How'd it go? It felt like dating one-on-one.
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It felt like it felt like a huge dating scene.
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It was very odd. Honestly, it was good.
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I went to the one on last week at the Heisman court.
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Nah, it was it was better. There was actually one of the
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girls that was kind of standing on her own and I literally just
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be lying to her and I was like, I was you a couple months ago,
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so let's chat. Yeah, yeah, those first ones can
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be a little rough because it's. Yeah, you know, you're getting
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out there and to your point, right, it's kind of like the
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dating scene, Like it's like being at a bar and having to
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meet people that, you know, and. But I do, you know, the, I do
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enjoy the Adernic Chamber events.
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They're very well attended. And I I'm sure you probably
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found what I know. I've always found just
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everyone's very inviting and welcoming and.
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Yeah, definitely. So shout out to those guys,
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Trisha and Ava and they do a great.
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Job they do, they do. So.
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So let's talk about music therapy.
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Sure. What is it?
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So music therapy, have have you heard of it before?
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I I have OK but I still don't know what it is.
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Yeah, So I will tell you how I found out about music therapy.
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I was 16 years old. I was at a bar with my parents,
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and there was this like Eyewitness News special that was
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on about music therapy. And it was who I now know,
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Deforea Lane, she is one of our pioneers of music therapy.
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And she had on a teal, purple and black dress.
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And she was leading around a bunch of little kiddos with a
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tambourine. And they talked about what music
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therapy was. And I was a junior or sophomore
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in high school. And I went up to my parents and
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I said, that's what I want to do.
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And here I am many years later doing, I won't say how many
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years, but yeah. So music therapy is it is I feel
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like the the four most important words for music therapy are that
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it's clinical, that it's evidence based, that there's a
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therapeutic relationship aspect to it and it is led by a
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credentialed professional. So the actual definition, if you
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will, is music therapy is the clinical and evidence based use
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of music interventions to accomplish individualized goals
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within a therapeutic relationship by a credentialed
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professional. So, you know, a lot of other
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professionals will, you know, say, oh, I do music therapy, I
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use music therapy in my sessions.
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But you know, if you're not, if you don't have that MTVC after
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your name and I worked very hard for all those letters after my
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name that it's not actual music therapy.
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So one of the things that I probably had the hardest time
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with in for my masters was our research class.
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I, I mean, if you, if you do research, I feel like you really
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have to like research in order to like find it enjoyable.
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And it was definitely tough and, but, but that that research
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aspect of it is where we have all of our evidence of how
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important and how useful music therapy actually is.
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So what kinds of things do you do in music therapy?
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So what we so through nursing minds, I've been working, I've
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been doing. It's called Twinkle Tracy's
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Twinkle Tunes. So it's a program at the
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Saratoga Children's Museum and it's for kiddos 3 and under.
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We've been doing a six week pilot.
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Tomorrow is actually our six week.
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So it's for walking versus not walking kids.
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And so it's basically, you know, I, I walk into a session and I
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even in my hello song, I'm assessing all the things.
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I'm assessing their affect. I'm assessing whether or not
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they know their name. I'm assessing, you know, can
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this kiddo walk? Does this kiddo have some
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physical limitations? Can they make eye contact?
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So you're really assessing all of those things upon meeting
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clients. And then we take that
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information and then design music sessions for either
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individuals or groups based on whatever the needs are of the
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client. So we can use improvisation, we
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can use lyric analysis, we can use music and imagery.
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We do guided imagery, music listening.
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We do music based learning. I do a lot of, I also work at
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Building Kids in Queensbury. It's daycare through five years
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old and I do a lot of books, so I sing a lot of books.
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So you're tying in the education component, the literacy
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component to music as well? So that's kind of fascinating.
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How and I and I kind of know this.
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You know, we were talking I think before we started
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recording. I've got a 5 year old, yeah.
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And I know that when we are doing activities with him that
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involves singing, he typically has a better recall on that
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information. And like even today we're just
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doing his AB CS and he like he automatically just starts
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singing them. So I'm just, I'm fascinated by
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like what is the connection or how does it work that music
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helps them to learn the information or recall the
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information or understand the information more?
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And the thing that I love the most is is, you know, can you
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name anybody that you know that does not like music?
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And I, and I just feel like there's, there's just that
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connection in the brain that music sparks something different
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in anybody, whether it's kiddos or adults.
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And it just kind of changes the way that they think about it and
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changes the way that they are able to approach it.
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And I just really curious about this.
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So you'd mentioned with some of the kids that you're doing the
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music therapy for, they're not walking yet.
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And so like, I tell me about like, let's unpack that a little
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bit, 'cause I'm just the music therapy, like helps them to walk
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sooner or helps them. I mean, it's, it's not really a
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matter of like sooner or later or anything.
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So the the one, the younger group that I have, they are 16
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month triplets and just to see their engagement and their focus
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and you know, when you think of 16 month olds, even when your
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son was 16 months, how long were you able to get him to focus
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for? Any one period of time, yeah.
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Like 2 seconds, yeah. Right.
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So I mean, we've, I think our longest session was maybe 40
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minutes and that's, that's, you know, with them being engaged.
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So, you know, I'm using the music and a lot of what we do
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when I sing songs, I will leave space.
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So they kind of are incorporating their
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communication and their language with song.
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So AB CS, you know, kind of has that natural progression, that
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natural plateau of the phrase. So you leave that last letter
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and you know, for the most part kiddos will answer you.
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And in terms of like walking, we do, I do a lot of movement
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songs. We do a lot of jumping, hopping,
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walking and just kind of you have to make it fun.
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You know, you have to make it inviting.
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And one of the things that we talked about a few weeks ago in
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our Gold Star group was how, you know, as music therapists, we
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have to be on all the time. Like we can't have an off day
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because the clients will pick it up, especially kiddos.
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They will pick up your lack of focus, if you will.
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And you just you have to be present all the time.
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Yeah, yeah, I bet. Yeah.
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Especially with that age group, I mean, yeah, you zone out, you
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zone out for 30 seconds, man. They're, but they're on to
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something else. So what, when?
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So I, I think what I heard from him so far is you work with a
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lot of younger kids, but also you can work with older kids as
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well. What what are some of the like
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common reasons that you might be brought in to work with a a kid
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with music therapy not. We work in a lot with special Ed
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special education. Before my husband and I moved up
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here in 2022, we were from Long Island.
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Originally we I worked at a special needs preschool.
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So there were a lot of language, communication, self-awareness,
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self identification. And I actually, when I did my
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internship many moons ago, I started at Schneider Children's
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Hospital, which is now Cohen's, I believe, on Long Island.
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And my supervisor, like 2 weeks before I was supposed to start,
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my supervisor blew up with his knees.
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So I started without him and I just kind of was shadowed child
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life and kind of got the insurance and the outs of the
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hospital. And then it just kind of other
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things happened. His father had passed away.
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He had to have resurgery. And they at that point they were
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like, hey, you can't really stay without a supervisor.
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So I ended up going to Alternatives for Children in
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East Setauket on Long Island. And I worked with Beth Schwartz,
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who has been my mentor. We actually were just texting
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like an hour ago when I was telling her about this podcast.
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And I remember one of the things that she said to me when I first
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started was, you know, sometimes you're going to be the music
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therapist, Sometimes you're going to be the mom, Sometimes
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you're going to be the friend, Sometimes you're going to be the
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boogie, the boogie wiper. And you know, part of working
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with the special needs kids and even just kiddos in general is I
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feel like you just have to be present with them.
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And you know, I don't, I sing, I sing with them.
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I'm at their level. I don't sing at them.
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So a lot of the kiddos that I saw at the special needs school
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was we did a lot with communication and language and
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even just social awareness and, you know, safely being in a
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space and understanding your body and your, you know, your
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friends bodies. So is it the fact that you're
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putting the messaging into a musical format?
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Is that like, is that the the method of action?
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Like that's the thing that really makes it work or makes it
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or is there something else going on?
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Kind of, I feel like it's more of, you know, we're using music
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as our tool. So we're using, you know, we can
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do the same thing as a speech therapist, but we just use music
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as our way in basically. So we use music to work on the
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same goals and objectives that the speech therapist will work
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on or that the occupational therapist will work on or that
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the regular teacher is working on.
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Does that make sense? Yeah, I think so.
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I guess I'm just trying to like, you know, I'm just trying to
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understand when someone would like say, hey, I, I, I'm having
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trouble with this, whatever it is with my child and I should
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consider looking at a, a music therapist to help with this.
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Any, any kiddo, any adult who likes music, honestly.
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I mean, we work with children. We work with adolescents, both
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neurotypical and neurodivergent. We work in schools and
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hospitals, mental health facilities.
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There's a lot of work done with music therapy and the NICU to
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regulate breathing, developmental and learning
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disabilities, autism. And then on the adults and
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geriatrics side, I used to work at a a nursing home.
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So there was Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, traumatic brain
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injuries, mental health, labor and delivery.
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I know when I was pregnant with Brady, I made several playlists
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on my phone for specific parts of Labor, substance abuse,
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developmental and learning disabilities.
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There's really, you know, it's, there's so many places that we
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can do good with music therapy. Yeah, yeah.
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And that's unlike, as you say, all that stuff.
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It's like it really sounds like it can be a part of therapy or
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treatment for a lot of different things.
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Yeah. Is there anything it doesn't
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help with? I don't.
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And we go back to the, you know, to the music is the universal
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language, you know, And I, I don't, I don't think I've ever,
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in my 20 plus years, I don't think I've ever met anybody that
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really doesn't respond in, in some way to music.
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That's so tell me a little bit more about someone comes to you.
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They're like, hey, you know, my, my child has, I don't know,
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maybe they're delayed speech or right, like what?
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What are the kinds of things that you're specifically that
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you're going to do for those for those people?
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For delayed speech, I would take, I mean, I'm, I'm assuming
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we're talking like early intervention, like little little
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kiddos, like 1-2 years old, three years old.
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Yeah, well, it it's, I mean, I asked that one 'cause I remember
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reading a piece about coming through COVID, a lot of kids had
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delayed speech because for whatever reason, whether it was
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lack of socialization or masks or all of it or whatever, that
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whole crew of kids that are that came through that at a certain
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age that they high percentage of them are dealing with delayed
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speech, right. I just thought that might be
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something that you know more. Yeah, yeah.
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So, you know, a lot of I, I in my own practice, I will start
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with more familiar songs for those age ranges.
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So I would do Wheels on the Bus, I would do AB CS and just kind
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of get a sense of what they're able to contribute and then kind
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of take it from there. So that would be and then I
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would take, you know, any of the like the wheels on the bus, you
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know, you're using your arms, you're kind of lifting, you're
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identifying body parts. If you do happy to know it.
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And then I move on to the non familiar songs, more like the
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movement songs where I'm. I'm gonna use jump and stomp
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your feet and I'm looking to see if they're able to, to do that
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well safely, you know, but just to see if they're, you know,
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their gait and their physical, if there is any physical
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limitations, stuff like that. And then what are the kinds of
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outcomes that you're looking for in those situations?
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Slow and steady, you know, we're really just looking for,
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especially with, you know, if there's a speech delay, you
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know, it's not going to happen overnight, it's not going to
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happen in the first session. You know, we, you have to build
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that back to the first thing I mentioned about the therapeutic
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relationship. You know, you have to build a
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rapport, you have to build trust.
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So you're kind of taking each session and trying to build on
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what you did in the in the previous session, you know, So
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I'm looking for, you know, however many sessions in I'm
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looking for, you know, the color identification or the numbers or
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the letters or for them to increase their attention, their
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focus. Yeah.
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How do you do that, Tracy? That's $1,000,000 question.
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Yeah, I know. I mean, when I find it out, I'll
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let everybody know. Yeah, I don't, you know, with
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the, with the therapeutic relationship.
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I remember, I think I was at the school that I was at for maybe a
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year or so and one of the parents had come to pick up
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their daughter and I had my some kind of music, something on me,
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my guitar or something. And she stopped me and she said,
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are you Miss Tracy? I said, yeah.
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She said, oh, my daughter, She she loves you.
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She pretends to be you when she's at home.
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Like she'll like conduct her music therapy session and she'll
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do music with all her stuffies. And that was awesome.
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That was that's kind of like those those those are the
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reasons that we do what we do to hear those stories, you know?
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And then what about like working with older kids?
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So, you know, let's say maybe that the tweens or or ugly teens
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like what? What are some common things that
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you're working with those age level kids on?
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I feel like for those tweens, those teenager kiddos, probably
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emotional regulation, emotional identification.
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I worked when I did my internship at the Children's
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Hospital, we worked with an eating disorder group and we did
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lyric analysis with them every week.
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So we would take a new song. And, you know, it's amazing how
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you're able, how kiddos are able to, and it, it was a Children's
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Hospital. So they're, you know, under a
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certain age, they're in that tween teen age range.
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But it's amazing to be able to see the the conversation that
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kind of comes up when you're doing something like that.
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And that you kind of, I don't know if you've ever listened to
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a song that you know so well and then you hear it acoustically or
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you just, or some you hear it sung by somebody else and it
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just kind of you hear it different and it means something
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different. And just to be able to go
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through like with lyric analysis, to be able to go
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through phrases or words that kind of mean something to you.
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And then you're able to kind of take that into your life and
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carry that over into how you are, how you relate to people,
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and you know, how you are able to identify motions and to
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express yourself really. And you said what kind of
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analysis? Lyric Analysis.
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Lyric analysis. OK, so in that, so in that case,
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it's not so much about singing songs like it is with the
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younger kids, It's more about using the music as a like a a
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tool to help them kind of self analyze.
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Would that be? Yeah, yeah.
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I remember when I was in, when I did my undergrad at Berkeley
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College of Music in Boston, and I remember for our percussion
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class, we had to do something for our final.
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And I didn't really know what I was doing until the day before.
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And I remember thinking about friends of ours that they just
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kind of, they fought all the time.
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And I remember we did. I had everybody, I mean, there
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were like four of us in the class, I think.
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So everybody had a drum and everybody had their backs to
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each other. So there was no eye contact.
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You couldn't see what anyone was doing.
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You just had to use your ears and listen, and it's amazing how
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fast you just kind of connected through the music and, you know,
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through the drumming it's. Interesting.
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It's interesting that it has all these different uses across all.
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Different. Modalities right like that is
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absolutely wild, right so so let's talk about how we bring
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this into with nourishing minds. So tell me a little bit about,
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you know, how how did it come to be that, you know, nourishing
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minds was like, hey, let's add music therapy to our repertoire
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of two of. People.
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Yeah. So I there was, he had put an ad
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out. There was one particular kiddo
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who really responded to music very well and at the time was
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home because there was no, I believe there was no program
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that met his needs And they were just looking for, you know, like
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an hour a week to work with him and he did great.
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He that was my intro to nourishing minds and music
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therapy. And then from there, I kind of
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went on and one, one thing that Chris will always say is, you
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know, music, whether it's actual music therapy that I'm doing or
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tutoring, you know, music has always been my end.
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You know, music is always the way that I'm able to establish
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rapport and establish relationship because, you know,
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she has a keyboard. Like, what are we gonna do with
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that? Can I, can I see it?
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And then, you know, just like that, you know, it works.
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And then lately there's been there's just up here, there's
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kind of a shortage of speech therapists.
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And, you know, it's just another thing to offer school districts
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where, you know, we, we don't have a speech therapist, but
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hey, I have this music therapist.
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Would they be interested? And I and I can work on speech
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just as well as a speech therapist could, you know,
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differently. But it's a goal.
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Yeah, yeah. So how does it work now?
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So like I, you know, obviously I know Nourishing Minds offers
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both in person and like Zoom. Virtual, yeah.
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Virtual tutoring sessions? So do you do like music therapy
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sessions via the virtual world as well or?
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I have, I have done it before there was 1 kiddo that I did do
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it with. I I personally don't prefer it,
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especially for the first few meetings.
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I feel like that in person connection really has to be in
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person. You know?
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It's hard to it's hard to do music therapy sometimes when
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it's a new kiddo or any, any at any age, a new, a new client in
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general. And that's from my my preference
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I guess. Yeah.
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Well, I don't think it's just, I mean, I, you know, from a
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bonding and rapport standpoint, which obviously is very
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important in what you're doing, it's very, it's not impossible,
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but it is a lot harder when you're not in the same room and
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face to face. Right.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And even during, you know, during COVID, when I was at the
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school, we, you know, we did music via Zoom, but it was, I
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had already been working with all those kiddos for, you know,
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for six or seven months. So it's not like you know, it's
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different than walking in blind, not really knowing anything
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about them, them not knowing anything about you, especially
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with kids. Yeah.
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And even then, even knowing them, it was still hard.
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It was still hard to make them sit, you know, in front of a
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computer, especially when they're used to being in person
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and they're used to interacting. Yeah, you know.
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Yeah, those younger kids especially, right?
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Like I know like my 5 year old if he's watching a show on
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television, he's he's only half watching it right?
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Like also playing with his cars or his trainings and doing.
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All stuff and Yep, Yep, Yep. My son will.
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He'll sit for a little while. He'll sit for like 1520 minutes
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depending upon what it is, but a lot of times he'll just kind of
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like it'll be on the background in the periphery and he'll kind
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of stop and look up sometimes but then just keeps going and
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doing what he's doing. Yeah, what?
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So do you play like all instruments?
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I my My principal is piano and I sing and I play the organ.
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I've been playing in churches since I was 16.
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I fill in up here every now and again at and guitar.
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I'm not the most adept at guitar 'cause my hands are pretty
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small, but I make it work. And I feel like that was the one
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thing that COVID helps me with, was kind of finding the guitar
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again and just getting more comfortable with playing and,
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and just trying out different songs, you know, just to see
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what worked and what didn't. As far as like with the kids and
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stuff you're saying? Yeah, and even just like my, my
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comfort level on the guitar as the, I mean, I, we had to take,
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I think we did 2 semesters in undergrad, but you know, piano
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was always my principal. Piano was my comfort for me.
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It's easy to it's easier for me. I I know more about the piano
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than I mean, for the guitar with the size of my hand, I mean, I
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kind of have two chords in my pocket and with two chord
30:53
progressions, and that's pretty much it.
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Yeah. But the kids don't know that.
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Nobody knows that. Right, right, right.
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They, they don't know that you're hammering C&G for.
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Exactly, I play I play AD for pretty much every song.
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So I as someone plays a little bit of guitar very horribly.
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I am always fascinated by people that are Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I think it's just such a wild talent and how some people can
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just understand it is and easily my my son is one of those
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people. He like, he's amazing.
31:27
He he basically has taught himself a few different
31:30
instruments at this. Point and I'm great.
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Yeah, and I'm just always amazed by it.
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I'm. Like yeah, yeah.
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And I, my grandma used to play the piano and they live down the
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street from us. And my aunt and uncle, my 2
31:41
cousins, they were at the other end of the street.
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So you know, the, my grandparents were in the middle
31:46
and that was kind of like our meeting point.
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And our bus stop actually was like right down the street from
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their house. So we would often go there after
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school. And that's kind of how I fell in
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love with the piano. And it wasn't until, I mean, not
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recently, but it wasn't until like 5-10 years ago that I went
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to sit down. My grandma used to play Darktown
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Starters Ball, 20s or 30s, and I sat down to play it and I was
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like, it doesn't sound how Nanny used to play it.
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And my mom was like, well, she didn't read music.
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I was like, it was like, wait, what?
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I had, I had no idea at the time that she didn't play music.
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And she just kind of comps the chords and knew the melody and
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played the melody. And on the, you know, here I sit
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down and try to play and I was like, well, that's not what she
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played. That's interesting.
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Yeah, I, I actually trying to remember what song it was, but
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when my son, my son was much younger and he was, he took
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lessons for like maybe a year. And I remember I taught him how
32:43
to play a song on guitar. And then he went to one of his
32:46
music lessons and his teacher was like, yeah, that's not how
32:48
you play that song. I was like lots of ways to skin
32:53
a cat as they did. He throw you under the bus and
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tell him that. Oh yeah.
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Oh, for sure. That's all my dad showed me.
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Like that's what. He said.
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I don't know, right? I don't know if I'm the the best
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teacher, apparently. So I know that we're getting
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short on time, but you know, and I don't want to keep you here
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all day. I'm sure you've got other things
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to do. But you know, if you were going
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to tell our listening audience you know one thing about music
33:18
therapy, what would it be? Jeez, one thing.
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I know it's tough, tough 11 opportunity.
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I think, I think every music therapist that I've met just has
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a passion. I'm going to get all teary eyed.
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We have a passion for what we do.
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We love music and we love helping people.
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And that's kind of why I fell in love with music therapy when I
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was 16, because it just encompassed all the things that
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I wanted to do in life, you know?
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And I can do it with music and helping people.
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And yeah, it's we it, I feel like music therapy found to me.
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And I love, I love what I do. Yeah, it sounds like it found
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you. That's a pretty cool story about
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seeing that 116. And then I don't I don't know
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how many 16 year olds that follow through with what their
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senior old goal was. Yeah, exactly.
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I mean, I only looked at colleges that had music therapy.
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I mean, I only looked at a couple, but but yeah, it's, it's
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been great. That's awesome.
34:36
Yeah. So Tracy, if people want to
34:38
learn more about you, about nourishing minds and the
34:41
different ones that are out there, where do they find you
34:43
guys? Nourishing Minds tutoring.com.
34:48
They could also shoot me an e-mail at
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tracytracey@nourishingmindstutoring.com. That's perfect.
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Thanks so much for coming on the show.
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I. Appreciate.
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Thanks for having me. Yeah.
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