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The morality of the state and its limits · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  And here's your host, Wallace Garno.
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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Cutting Through the Chaos on the America Out Loud Network, where we cut through the lies and the propaganda to bring you the out loud truth.
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  I'm your host, Wallace Garno, and I want to talk today about uh the difference between individual and state morality.
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  This isn't gonna be all Machiavellian, it's nothing like that, but I do want to talk about the difference between uh state morality and an individual morality and the dangers of confusing and conflating the two.
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  Uh before I do, I am back home from Piotr Viarda.
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  We had a great time there.
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  It was kind of fun recording while we were there.
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  Uh, I still think that that resort is probably a cartel money laundering operation.
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  As soon as you walked into the place, and I'm looking around, and the guy's telling me that uh that they do not have uh an all-inclusive option there.
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  So you be you know, people you you you pay at the restaurants and they've got a bunch of restaurants, and I looked at it and I was like, okay, so I've got a kitchen in my room.
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  It's probably very expensive to eat at the restaurants every day without the all-inclusive plan.
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  So I'm probably not gonna probably would not be eating in the restaurants all the time.
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  The grocery store was amazing, but it was expensive.
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  So probably not gonna use the use their grocery store, probably excuse me, probably use a local grocery store off the resort.
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  So I'm thinking to myself, so you've got all these people coming in, they're eating a lot of their meals in their rooms, but nobody can prove that.
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  So you've got all these restaurants and you've got all the shows, and I'm sure everything is up to maximum capacity every night, whether there are people in there or not.
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  If if they weren't using it as a money laundering operation, they should.
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  That place is almost as good as a casino for that.
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  But anyway, enough of that.
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  We're back home.
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  We backed out in Pior Viarda in uh in February, probably, and uh we can get into today's show.
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  Uh, the law of Moses might be the most misunderstood set of laws in all of creation.
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  And it's confusing because, or misunderstood, I should say.
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  I don't know, it's really confusing once you understand it correctly.
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  Uh, but it combines moral law with both civil and ceremonial law, and if you just read through, you know, Deuteronomy and what have you, it doesn't always specify which is which.
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  But they are different.
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  The civil law in the law of Moses, of course, governed the ancient nation of Israel.
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  The ceremonial laws, they were designed to separate the Israelites as God's chosen people.
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  He wanted them to be separate, he wanted them to look separate, he wanted them to have special, they had special rules that set them apart and made them God's chosen people.
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  Uh there are Jewish people today who still abide by the ceremonial laws, by the way.
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  We call them orthodox.
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  Uh, but the ancient state of Israel no longer exists, and the civil portion of the law of Moses is no longer applicable as a result.
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  Not only that, but in the laws of Moses, uh, only one certain tribe, I think the Abraham the only one certain tribe, I forget which one it was off the top of my head, uh, but there was only one certain tribe that had to be the priests.
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  I think they were the Levites, they had to be the priests.
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  And uh, well, nobody knows who the Levites are anymore.
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  The the heritage of, you know, I came from from this tribe or you came from that tribe.
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  You know, what tribe people came from in the 12 tribes of Israel, that's largely been lost.
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  So if you don't have that priestly class, you know, it'd be very, very hard to abide by even some of the ceremonial laws in terms of who is supposed to have temple duty and what have you.
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  So, you know, the the uh those laws, the ceremonial the civil laws, those don't drive the modern world.
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  They don't drive modern Israel, they don't drive most Jews today, some of the Orthodox, as I said, still follow a lot of the ceremonial laws, but uh, but for the most part, it's it's just the moral law that we think about today.
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  People, however, they still look at the civil and ceremonial laws and they will try to attack biblical justice or biblical morality because of it.
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  Dietary restrictions are a very common example.
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  Critics will point to prohibitions on pork or shellfish in Leviticus 11, and they'll say, Well, look at this.
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  You know, biblical morality, it's it's arbitrary and it's outdated.
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  Well, they ignore that these were ceremonial boundary markers meant to set Israel apart.
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  They're God's chosen people.
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  They're not universal moral commands.
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  The New Testament actually explicitly sets these aside in Mark 7, 18 to 19 and Acts 10, 9 to 16.
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  So we don't follow the ceremonial laws or the civil laws of ancient Israel.
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  We don't we don't follow those.
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  It's the moral law that counts.
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  Uh the statement mistake incidentally appears as mockery of rules against mixed fabrics in Leviticus 19, 19.
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  That again was a symbolic purity law.
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  It was not related to morality.
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  Uh, more serious error can occur when critics cite the civil penalties of ancient Israel as though they represent moral law.
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  Passages such as Leviticus 2013, which covers death for homosexuality, Deuteronomy 22, 20 to 21, which is death for a woman losing your virginity before marriage, or Exodus 2117, death for cursing parents.
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  People invoke those to portray biblical morality as inherently brutal.
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  Well, they don't acknowledge that these were civil statutes governing a specific theocratic nation and were not designed to be universal.
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  One of my pet peeves, and people look at biblical morality and attack things like that.
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  You know, there are a lot of laws from the ancient world that may have made all the practical sense in the world, in societies several thousand years ago.
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  We're so far removed from those societies.
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  You can't you if you've never lived or never, if we don't have the base of knowledge for what ancient societies were like, what people were like in ancient societies, what the cultures of those societies were.
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  We don't have the base of knowledge to really know what made sense in terms of the law for a society that existed thousands of years ago.
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  We don't have the basis of the basis of knowledge.
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  We're just too far removed to be able to truly understand what it would have looked like to have lived in in ancient times.
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  Just we were too far removed from it.
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  There are a lot of laws that actually, if you understand them completely, they do make a certain amount of sense, but they sound absolutely barbaric today.
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  It was the custom was a law that if you that if if somebody if if you raped a woman, you had then had to marry the woman.
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  And people look at that today and see, well, you can't force the woman to marry her rapist.
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  But in the the those ancient societies of that time, if a woman was raped, it made her very difficult, it made it very difficult for her to then get married.
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  Of that time, if a woman was raped, it made her very difficult, it made it very difficult for her to then get married.
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  So you're basically preventing her from getting married.
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  So you're basically preventing her from getting married.
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  So what the law said, it didn't say you live with her.
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  So what the law said, it didn't say you live with her.
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  They didn't say you could you could have multiple wives in those days in those societies.
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  They didn't say you could have multiple wives in those days in those societies.
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  So a lot of the laws said that if you rape a woman, you have to marry her.
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  So a lot of the laws said that if you rape a woman, you have to marry her.
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  That they weren't saying you have to live with her, or even that you were going to live with her, even that you could live with her.
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  They weren't saying you have to live with her, or even that you were going to live with her, even that you could live with her.
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  What they were saying is her life is now your responsibility, her financial burdens are now your financial.
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  What they were saying is her life is now your responsibility, her financial burdens are now your financial burdens, and you will take care of her financially for the rest of her life.
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  You are now responsible for her well-being.
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  That is your punishment for what you did.
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  So it wasn't rewarding the rapist, as some people try to treat it today.
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  No, it was saying you have really hurt this person's life, and now you are going to pay for this person's life, and that's that's your penalty.
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  So, you know, it sounds horrific when we hear it today, and people use that and they'll say, Well, biblical morality was atrocious.
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  Well, thousands of years ago, very different society, very different culture, and we have to understand it within that framework, a framework that we are removed from by thousands of years.
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  Of course, it sounds barbaric to us today to look at some of the laws that may have made perfect sense for uh ancient man and ancient times.
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  We have to remember that that was a long time ago, and that our society doesn't look anything like that.
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  Now we tend to think of our society now today as being oppressive, but imagine a society that where life was brutal and short.
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  You know, that's what it was like for ancient man.
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  You didn't have the medicine he had today, you didn't have the dietary standards you had today.
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  Uh you didn't often you didn't always have enough food to eat.
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  If you had uh if you had uh a bad harvest, people would starve to death.
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  I mean, we don't live like that today.
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  We live in societies today that they would have considered everybody today lives like a king compared to what what people lived like a thousand or two thousand years ago.
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  So for us to take our rules today and think that the rules that societies had three or four thousand years ago are barbaric.
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  We don't have any basics of knowledge to make that determination.
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  What we can say is those laws look very barbaric today, and of course, the civil and ceremonial laws are not something that we, particularly as Christians, we are bound to.
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  You know, I think most uh most Jewish people today, they don't follow most of the ceremonial laws.
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  Ben Shapiro doesn't, I don't believe he follows most of the ceremonial laws.
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  Doesn't mean he's not Jewish, it just means he's not an Orthodox Jew.
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  So that is what it is.
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  We follow the moral law, and uh and Christians and Jews, we share a moral law.
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  You know, if you if you look even within ancient Israel, in fact, the application of civil penalties changed.
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  We see that in John 8 3 to 11, where Jesus refused to carry out a stoning.
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  The same pattern holds for Sabbath enforcement in Numbers 15, 32 to 36, and with ritual purity laws in Leviticus 15 and Leviticus 12, which are frequently read as moral judgments when they are in fact symbolic or civil in nature.
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  In each case, the criticism lands not on the enduring moral law of the Bible, but on categories of law that the tradition treats as contextual.
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  For Christians and unorthodox Jews today, it's just the moral law.
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  And the moral law really is designed to be permanent and enduring.
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  In terms of what the moral law is, Jesus summarized the moral law with what has been called the golden rule.
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  He put that in Matthew 22, 37 to 40.
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  It's basically love God above all things and love others as much as you love yourself.
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  Uh, even there, though, and this is where we're going to start getting into civilizational morality versus personal morality.
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  Even there, Jesus was applying God's moral law only to people and not to nations.
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  It's dangerous to apply moral law, God's moral law to nations.
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  Um applying individual morality to nations causes problems.
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  And those problems, they're not abstract.
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  As we shall see, this is a lesson Pope Leo would do very well to learn.
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  I'm going to pick on Pope Leo a little bit today.
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  The distinction between personal morality and public authority is in fact built into the structure of scripture, and it's preserved in the Christian tradition.
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  The commands given to individuals, such as mercy, forgiveness, uh, you know, turn the other cheek, all of that.
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  That governs personal conduct in the face of personal wrongs.
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  Those are voluntary acts of virtue.
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  Now, a man may choose to observe to absorb an injury rather than to retaliate, and in doing so, he's reflecting a higher moral calling, but that can't be applied to a nation without some pretty dire consequences.
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  As a nation is a governing authority charged with protecting others.
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  The government of the United States protects 340 million people within the United States, and of course, the United States is also the backbone of NATO, and it's the primary partner in a host of other defense treaties with friends and allies around the world when deciding whether or not to turn the other cheek.
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  The president of the United States can't just think about his own personal beliefs.
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  He's responsible for those other people.
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  He's got to think about the well-being of everyone, his decisions will impact, and he has to think about that both today and into the future.
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  The difference, by the way, is between personal morality and national governance relates to obligations that individuals don't even bear.
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  A private citizen, he can forgive a thief.
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  Well, a government that refuses to punish theft abandons its duty to maintain order.
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  A person may choose not to defend himself, but a state that refuses to defend its citizens is negligent and inviting attack.
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  Romans 13 describes governing authority as bearing the sword to restrain evil and protect the innocent.
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  That's not a concession to sin, but part of the moral structure of justice in a fallen world.
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  And this is why Christian tradition developed a doctrine of just war rather than one of abolishing war outright.
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  Now, if you listen to Pope Leo, the things that Pope Leo has said, he doesn't seem to see any war as moral.
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  War in the Bible, of course, it's not treated as good, but nor is it treated as inherently bad.
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  It is treated as conditional.
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  It's permitted under strict criteria such as legitimate authority, just cause, proportionality, and things like that.
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  The framework understands that the aggressor and the defender are not morally equivalent.
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  Moral responsibility remains with the one who initiates harm.
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  Nor is the aggressor always the first to strike.
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  The Bible is actually full of stories where the just side started an inevitable war before an enemy was ready to strike.
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  We could look at Joshua 6, 1 to 21, covering Jericho during the conquest of Canon.
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  During the conquest of Canon.
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  We can look at 1 Samuel 15, 1 to 3, covering Saul's attack at Amalek.
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  We can look at 1 Samuel 15, 1 to 3, covering Saul's attack at Amalek.
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  We can look at David's campaigns at 2 Samuel 8, 1 to 6 and 10, 6 to 19 against the Philistines, the Moabites, the uh and the uh Arameans.
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  We can look at David's campaigns at 2 Samuel 8, 1 to 6 and 10, 6 to 19 against the Philistines, the Moabites, the uh and the uh Arameans.
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  We can look in Numbers 25, 16 to 18, followed by Numbers 31, where Israel is instructed to attack Midian.
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  We can look in numbers 25, 16 to 18, followed by Numbers 31, where Israel is instructed to attack Midian.
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  In all cases there, the action was offensive, but it was justified to remove eminent threats.
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  In all cases there, the action was offensive, but it was justified to remove eminent threats.
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  If we
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  If we look at Iran, there was an eminent threat in Iran.
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  I just had a conversation with somebody today about this.
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  They said, well, do you agree that if Iran was only a week from having 11 nuclear bombs or the materials to build 11 nuclear bombs, that Trump then lied about the earlier attack on Iran?
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  And what I said is, well, I think that there were intelligence estimates after the uh earlier bombing on Iran that may have been overly optimistic.
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  It's also entirely possible that Iran lied when they said they were a week away from 11 bombs.
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  They might not have been a week away from 11 bombs.
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  But they said they were a week away from 11 bombs.
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  And when people say, well, people have been saying that they're a week away for 25 years.
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  Well, we've had intelligence estimates.
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  We've been trying to guess and to gauge how far along they are in weapons development and nuclear weapons and development.
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  We do that with all countries.
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  How close are they if they're trying to develop a nuclear bomb?
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  Particularly with enemies of our country, countries that don't like us, countries.
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  The Iranian people like us, by the way.
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  I'm not attacking the Iranian people here.
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  I'm attacking the Islamic Republic of Iran, the regime.
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  Incidentally, it's no longer really the Islamic Republic of Iran because the Ayatollahs, the Mullah system, that's not in charge.
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  The Iranian Republican Guard, the IRGC, that is what is in charge of Iran now.
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  And uh that is a regime change.
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  It's just it's a regime change that doesn't make anything better.
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  Uh I think it does make it better in the sense that 85% roughly of Iran did not like the Mullah system.
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  They wanted to overthrow 15%, however, supported the Mula system.
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  15% were the they wanted the theocracy.
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  They believed that the theocracy was just.
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  So you had 15% who would follow the Ayatollah.
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  How many of them are going to follow the IRGC if it's not answering the Ayatollah?
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  How many of them will follow what is now essentially a military terrorist junta?
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  It's not, they're not led by a theocracy anymore.
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  They are led by a bunch of they maybe they may be extremists in terms of of their their theocracy, but they don't have any moral authority under under Islamic law or Iranian law.
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  So now 15% that used to follow, that used to support the country, they're going to support that.
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  I think that this Iranian regime is actually in a very, very precarious state because uh it's it's it has no basis, it has no constitutional grounding under Iranian law, it has no basis and Islamic law.
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  It's 85% now, and then the other 15 too.
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  Nobody's going to support this regime.
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  Whether or not they have the wherewithal to overthrow it, I don't know.
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  What I do know is that the uh economy of Iran was in tatters even before we started bombing again, and uh it certainly hasn't gotten any better.
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  Uh you can I don't know how bad the inflation rate is in Iran right now, but it's been horrendous for years.
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  Their economy has been in a free fall for years, and it would it's it's you know, now they're gonna have to shut down their oil rigs, which which means that they're you can't always just turn them back on.
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  Uh they're really in a dire, dire, dire position economically, and I don't see this regime.
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  They need external help that they can only get if the regime is gone if they have uh if the Iranian people are back in charge of Iran.
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  So it's a very, very difficult place for them to be in.
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  And of course, we don't want the Iranian people to suffer, which is why we have not been taking out their infrastructure, but this regime cannot have a nuclear bomb.
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  Iran is the one country on earth.
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  I've the Iranian, the Islamic Republic of Iran, I should say, the regime, not the people.
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  Iran is the one country on earth that has been very, very clear that they don't just want to have nuclear weapons, they want to use them.
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  The Ayatollahs have said that a couple of nukes could take out all of Israel, they could survive a limited nuclear exchange.
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  Uh, they've talked about about the potential for using jihadists with minivans to get nuclear weapons into the Great Satan, which is of course us.
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  The idea of a nuclear-powered Iran is absolutely horrific.
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  So I finally, I just asked people, now, if you think that this war is a bad thing, if you think that Iran is lying, get back to it to talking about that.
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  We have intelligence estimates.
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  For 25 years, we've had different estimates from different parts of our intelligence services, giving different answers for how close to a nuclear bomb Iran was.
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  Nobody's been saying they haven't saying a week away for 25 years.
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  That's not true, but there have been different estimates.
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  Sometimes I'll say it's six months, sometimes I'll say they're years away.
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  So you hear these different estimates.
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  They're estimates, they're intelligence estimates.
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  So I think the intelligence estimates after we bombed those uh those sites.
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  I think they were a little overly optimistic, perhaps, or possibly the Iranian negotiators were lying to us when they said that they were a week out from built from having the tirols for 11 bombs.
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  What I ask people, though, when they try to put me in a position like that and say was Trump lying then or is Trump lying now?
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  I say Trump's not the source for them being a week out and for 11 nukes.
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  That source with Iranian negotiators.
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  They told us that.
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  This isn't our intelligence estimate.
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  This is an Iranian claim that their negotiators made with our negotiators before we started bombing them again.
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  And they may be wrong.
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  They may have been lying.
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  They seem to think that would improve their negotiating positions.
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  So I'm totally open to the possibility that those negotiators were lying through their teeth, and they said that they were seven days or about a week out from 11 bombs.
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  How many cities are you willing to bet to find out?
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  The simple fact of the matter is that Iran is the one country on earth, the last country on earth that we would ever want to have nuclear weapons, the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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  And uh we have to do whatever it takes to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from getting nuclear weapons.
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  This isn't about the Strait of Hormuz.
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  This isn't about that this partially, I think it's about 40,000, as many as 40,000 Iranian uh protesters getting killed over over a couple of days by the Iranian regime and killings that are still going on, by the way.
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  So I do think that partially, yes, this is of course, that's horrific.
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  We want to do something about that.
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  Uh, but no, the real cause of this war is that we cannot allow Iran to get nuclear weapons.
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  We have to do whatever it takes to prevent that.
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  Should have done that with North Korea.
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  We should have been very hard.
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  We should never have let North Korea get nukes.
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  But at least the North Korean regime wants them to prevent us from attacking them, not to necessarily attack other countries.
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  Wants them to prevent us from attacking them, not to necessarily attack other countries.
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  They want to survive.
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  They want to survive uh the Iranian theocracy is happy to die as long as they take Israel and eventually the United States with them.
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  The Iranian theocracy is happy to die as long as they take Israel and eventually the United States with them.
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  So, yeah, it's that's not a country we could ever allow to have nuclear weapons.
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  So yeah, it's that's not a country we could ever allow to have nuclear weapons.
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  Um, and we have to think like a nation state.
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  Um we have to think like a nation-state.
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  See if a nation is told to apply the ethics of personal forgiveness to acts of aggression.
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  See if a nation is told to apply the ethics of personal forgiveness to acts of aggression.
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  Well, then deterrence weakness.
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  Well, then deterrence weaknesses and crime explodes.
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  What appears as moral enlightenment becomes a form of moral confusion with a state no longer judging between right and wrong in the defense of its people, but being asked to ignore judgment completely instead.
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  And a nation can't afford to do that.
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  Nations are not people.
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  They cannot afford to ignore judgment completely.
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  Mercy is, of course, a wonderful trait for individuals to have.
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  We should all have more mercy.
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  But when practiced by the state, mercy needs to be tempered with justice, as mercy detached from justice becomes framed by the criminal as permission.
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  And if you are doing it to other nation states, do you want Iran to think it has permission?
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  Of course not.
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  We do not want the Islamic Republic of Iran to think that it has permission to attack its neighbors as it's doing to attack Israel, to attack us, to attack Europe.
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  No, we don't want that.
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  We have to stop that.
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  It's uh it's as simple as that.
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  People talk about, of course, with foreigners.
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  You know, all individuals should welcome foreigners, of course.
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  But when a nation becomes overly welcoming, a nation becomes overly welcoming, not individuals, the nation becomes overly welcoming.
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  Well, then it's culture fractures, and that's particularly true if the immigrants have standards of morality that are incompatible with that of the host nation.
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  We're very lucky in the United States.
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  So the people that are coming from coming here are primarily coming from South and Central America.
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  They're hard working, they're they have a strong family structure, they're anti-abortion, they're Catholic.
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  We're we're the people that are coming here, they're natural Republicans, which is why so many of such a large percentage of the Hispanic vote voted for Trump, because they are natural Republicans.
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  Culturally, they're very, very similar to us.
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  Language, okay, they speak Spanish instead of English.
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  We would like them to learn English, but they they are culturally far more compatible with us than the Islamic people that have migrated into and continue to migrate into Europe.
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  Europe is in a much worse position than we are.
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  Some of the Muslims in Europe have become so extreme in England in particular, have become so extreme that there are travel bans for them to travel to, for example, Saudi Arabia.
• 23:43
  Muslim countries are refusing to allow European Muslims to go there because they're afraid of how radical they are.
• 23:51
  Well, that is that's that's what's happening in Europe, and that's that's that's that's that's Europe's tragedy.
• 23:57
  Uh they're in far worse shape than we are.
• 24:00
  All we have to worry about are things like uh, you know, if a nation brings in immigrants faster, then it can increase the supply of housing and other necessities.
• 24:09
  Well, economics 101.
• 24:11
  More people end up competing for the same resources and prices explode.
• 24:15
  Have we seen that here?
• 24:16
  Yes.
• 24:17
  That's particularly true, of course, if the people immigrating are doing so not for economic opportunity so much as for generous welfare benefits, which, of course, the host nation must then tax its populace to pay.
• 24:32
  Ziran Mamdani claims that New York City is in a more dire economic crisis today than it was during the 2008 financial crisis or during COVID-19.
• 24:43
  Well, is that because we have less food and water or fewer houses?
• 24:48
  No, it's not because we have less food or fewer houses.
• 24:51
  It's because President Biden, under President Biden, we allowed millions and millions of people to enter our nation illegally.
• 24:58
  These people now compete with those who are already here for places to live, for food to eat, and for other things.
• 25:05
  And that pressure is, of course, going to be greatest in places like New York City that declare themselves sanctuary cities and promise to provide migrants with all of the necessities of life paid for through tax dollars.
• 25:17
  Of course, New York City is broke.
• 25:19
  They cannot afford the promises they have made.
• 25:23
  Now, if an individual is called to give generously, which of course we all want to give generously, well, he or she gives from their own pocket.
• 25:32
  But that's not what's happening in New York.
• 25:34
  That's not what happens when countries do it.
• 25:36
  When the state attempts to enforce generosity through compulsion, all of a sudden the recipients stop seeing it as charity and start seeing it as an entitlement they have the right to receive.
• 25:47
  Also, as people begin to see charity as a state function, they cease being charitable as individuals, which is why charitable giving is much higher in the United States than in Europe, and much higher among Republicans than among Democrats.
• 26:01
  A lot of people like to say that that means Republicans are better people or Americans are better people.
• 26:06
  I don't think the difference is that Republicans or Americans are better people than Democrats or Europeans.
• 26:12
  Of course, I don't believe that.
• 26:14
  But Republicans in particular and Americans overall have not outsourced their generosity to others.
• 26:20
  Also, people who donate are being generous with their own money instead of only with other people's money.
• 26:28
  I found that there is nothing more generous than a progressive promising money they personally do not have.
• 26:35
  And as Mam Donny is finding out, promises are far easier to make than to keep.
• 26:46
  I think any time you put a democratic socialist truly in charge of something, uh, the people under them find out that promises are far easier to make than to keep.
• 26:54
  You know, they run on being this moral person who is going to do these moral things.
• 27:00
  You know, giving people free health care.
• 27:01
  Is that immoral?
• 27:02
  Is it immoral to give people free food?
• 27:04
  Is it immoral to give people free housing?
• 27:07
  It is immoral to make sure that everybody has uh a basic quality of life, a standard of living above a certain threshold.
• 27:15
  Is that immoral?
• 27:16
  Well, of course it's not immoral in in principle.
• 27:19
  But many things that are not immoral in principle can be immoral in practice because it's impossible to actually deliver some of the utopias that people want to promise.
• 27:30
  And you can do a tremendous amount of damage to a country, to individuals, to flesh and blood human beings trying to bring in impossible utopias.
• 27:40
  What Mamdanny is finding out is that they don't have the resources to feed and house all of the people that have gone to New York City, having been promised that they would be fed and housed.
• 27:52
  They don't have the resources to do it.
• 27:55
  They don't have the housing for everybody, they don't have the food for everybody.
• 27:59
  It's simply not possible to do.
• 28:00
  Not possible to do.
• 28:01
  Well, they've made the promises, and Mamdanny is not saying we're not going to provide for the promises.
• 28:01
  Well, they've made the promises, and Mamdanni is not saying we're not going to provide for the promises.
• 28:07
  We're not going to give you what we promised.
• 28:07
  We're not going to give you what we promised.
• 28:09
  What he's saying is we need more money.
• 28:09
  What he's saying is we need more money.
• 28:11
  So he's going to the state of New York and saying we need more money.
• 28:11
  So he's going to the state of New York and saying we need more money, please tax the billionaires.
• 28:14
  Please tax the billionaires.
• 28:16
  He's trying to tax the billionaires in New York.
• 28:16
  He's trying to tax the billionaires in New York.
• 28:19
  Uh they're going to have an exodus of rich people from New York to other places.
• 28:19
  They're going to have an exodus of rich people from New York to other places.
• 28:23
  A lot of people who are not rich will probably also leave New York because they're not getting the garbage picked up.
• 28:23
  A lot of people who are not rich will probably also leave New York because they're not getting the garbage picked up.
• 28:28
  They're not getting, you know, the
• 28:28
  They're not getting, you know, the basic things that the government in New York is supposed to do, it's not able to do because it's trying to do so many other things.
• 28:36
  If you look at Florida and compared to New York City, Florida's got way more people than New York City does, the whole state of Florida, that is.
• 28:43
  But they've got a budget that's about the same as the budget of New York City, and Florida is able to do far more for far more people with less money than what New York City is doing, and it's it's a whole state.
• 28:57
  It's not just a city, it's a whole state.
• 29:00
  The reason is that Florida does things that governments are supposed to do, and they have a limited sense of what that means.
• 29:08
  Whereas in New York City, ma'am Donnie, the Democratic Socialist thinks that the government should be the provider of things, that the government should, he doesn't really see a limitation in the size or scope of government.
• 29:20
  And as a consequence, uh what he wants to do is just be the provider of everything for everyone.
• 29:26
  And to do that, he has to have everything so that he can give it to everyone.
• 29:29
  And you know, that just that that's that was doomed to failure from the start.
• 29:33
  Uh it's actually gonna get worse rather than better because he's not gonna back down.
• 29:37
  You know, Bernie Sanders, same kind of thing.
• 29:39
  Bernie Sanders seems like a very nice guy.
• 29:41
  If I met Bernie Sanders and had a beer, I'd probably get along with him.
• 29:45
  As long as we didn't talk about economics.
• 29:46
  If we talk about economics, I'd tell him he's an idiot.
• 29:49
  AOC, you know, I'd the same thing.
• 29:50
  She might be a very, very nice human being, other than being a little morally on her high horse, if you will.
• 29:56
  Um, she talks down to people that disagree with her.
• 29:59
  So does Bernie, but you know, it's it's that's that's he seems like a nice guy overall.
• 30:04
  Uh but the the what they want to do just doesn't work.
• 30:09
  And again, it's not that it's immoral to want to give people things, it's that it's not the purpose of the state.
• 30:15
  The state does not exist to be the provider of things.
• 30:18
  Individuals need to be the primary source of of their own well-being.
• 30:24
  Now, if somebody legitimately can't provide for themselves, of course, we want a government that is generous.
• 30:28
  We want a society that is generous with people who truly who legitimately cannot take care of themselves.
• 30:32
  But people should take care of themselves to the degree that they are able with the government stepping in to make up the difference.
• 30:39
  Not the government steps in and tries to take care of everyone.
• 30:43
  The government just doesn't have the resources to do it.
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• 34:09
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• 34:14
  I'm your host Wallace Garno, and we are talking about the difference between individual and state morality and the dangers of conflating those two things.
• 34:26
  Tim Waltz and Ilian Omar, they did not care about the fraud in Minneapolis.
• 34:32
  Those were Minneapolis welfare programs, and uh, you know, Ilyan Omar actually wrote one of the bills that was uh that was primarily used to commit some of that fraud, the one for the free meals for Russ students.
• 34:45
  She actually sponsored, and I believe she wrote that bill.
• 34:48
  So she directly involved in that sense.
• 34:52
  Well, I'm not gonna say that Ilyan Omar was was was committing the fraud.
• 34:57
  It does appear that her husband was running a fraudulent winery.
• 35:00
  That appears to be true.
• 35:00
  That appears to be true.
• 35:01
  She did they now they've they've downgraded the value of that winery by a great deal.
• 35:01
  She did they don't now they've they've downgraded the value of that winery by a great deal.
• 35:06
  I think they actually closed it down.
• 35:06
  I think they actually closed it down.
• 35:07
  It was never really open.
• 35:07
  It was never really open.
• 35:08
  It was a it appeared to be a front of some kind.
• 35:08
  It was a it appeared to be a front of some kind.
• 35:11
  Uh so I but I I don't have proof that Ilian Omar was actually getting fraud money in Minneapolis, or that Tim Wallace was actually getting fraud money in Minneapolis.
• 35:12
  So I but I don't have proof that Ilian Omar was actually getting fraud money in Minneapolis or that Tim Wallace was actually getting fraud money in Minneapolis.
• 35:20
  But uh, you know, of course they didn't care about the fraud all that much.
• 35:20
  But you know, of course they didn't care about the fraud all that much.
• 35:24
  The people that were receiving the fraudulent funds were supporting their campaigns.
• 35:24
  The people that were receiving the fraudulent funds were supporting their campaigns.
• 35:27
  Ilian Omar was doing commercials.
• 35:27
  Ilian Omar was doing commercials with one of the guys that was primary that was directly involved in that fraud.
• 35:33
  So, you know, they had a benefit there.
• 35:36
  If it if it just came from the fact that the people that were committing the fraud were helping their campaigns.
• 35:41
  So that's that's why they didn't care.
• 35:44
  And uh also note that neither Waltz nor Omar bore any personal cost.
• 35:48
  The fraud wasn't committed against their money, it was committed against your money and my money.
• 35:52
  It was committed committed against the tax dollar.
• 35:55
  So they had a benefit from it, if only politically, and they had no personal cost.
• 36:00
  So yeah, why would they care about that?
• 36:01
  The same story is true with Gavin Newsom in California.
• 36:04
  What was his solution to independent journalism explode exposing the fraud in California?
• 36:10
  It was to ban that journalism from taking place.
• 36:13
  They passed a bill making it uh impossible for somebody like Nick Farley to do.
• 36:18
  I think is that his name is Nick Farley to do what he was doing.
• 36:20
  So they said, oh, somebody came in and found a bunch of fraud.
• 36:23
  Well, let's ban finding fraud.
• 36:26
  We're not going to get rid of the fraud.
• 36:27
  We'll ban finding it.
• 36:28
  And why would you ban getting rid of the fraud if you don't pay for it yourself and if there's a political benefit to doing it?
• 36:35
  There's also a political benefit to not getting caught.
• 36:37
  Gavin Newsom would like to be president.
• 36:40
  Tim Waltz wanted to be the vice president.
• 36:42
  There is a political cost to getting caught, so of course they want to cover it up when it does happen.
• 36:47
  Tim Waltz now was out there taking credit for the federal government finding the fraud in Minneapolis, prosecuting people for fraud in Minneapolis.
• 36:54
  He's pretending he's doing that, but he's not doing that.
• 36:57
  That's the federal government doing that.
• 36:58
  Tim Waltz is just, you know, he's doing what what Tim Waltz does, and uh and stolen valor, all of that kind of thing.
• 37:04
  He's making up uh he's he's taking credit for what other people are doing.
• 37:09
  Not that this is just a Democrat problem.
• 37:11
  Please don't think that it's just a Democrat problem.
• 37:14
  The fact the truth is that the Congressional Budget Office tells us that there are hundreds of billions of dollars of fraud waste and abuse every single year.
• 37:23
  And if we include improper payments, some studies go as high as a half a trillion dollars in Medicare alone every year.
• 37:31
  I'm not saying it is a half a trillion, I'm saying some studies go that high.
• 37:34
  I don't actually know how high it is, but it's at least hundreds of billions of dollars a year and potentially as much as a half a trillion dollars a year.
• 37:43
  That would be a big, big big if we could get rid of that fraud, we could dramatically reduce, maybe not get rid of the deficit entirely, but that would take a big big bite out of the deficit.
• 37:54
  And you know, look at ourselves.
• 37:57
  Before Dodge, nobody lifted a finger to stop any of that fraud.
• 38:00
  Nobody even seemed to care.
• 38:02
  Even after Dodge, it does not appear that many people care about all of the fraud.
• 38:06
  You know, the mistake of applying personal morality to the government of nations, it's becoming more and more common.
• 38:12
  It's also becoming more and more costly.
• 38:15
  And as I mentioned earlier, I'm gonna pick on Pope Leo a little bit because this is a lesson that I don't think he has yet learned.
• 38:22
  When the Pope says this is a direct quote, in our time we still experience too much discord, too many wounds caused by hatred, violence, prejudice, fear of others, and by an economic model that exploits the earth's resources and marginalizes the poorest.
• 38:36
  Last part of that, he is suggesting that free markets cause harm.
• 38:40
  Do free markets cause harm?
• 38:42
  People are harmed in free markets, they're harmed in every system.
• 38:45
  People die in free markets, they die in every system.
• 38:48
  You have people who have less food, more food in every system.
• 38:52
  So the question isn't uh, is a free market perfect?
• 38:55
  Does it compare to heaven?
• 38:57
  No, the question is how does it compare to other economic systems that actually can exist or do exist on the earth today?
• 39:05
  And the truth is that free markets have been the biggest boom to living and working conditions in human history.
• 39:11
  The free market is the greatest invention mankind has ever had.
• 39:15
  It has reduced extreme poverty from about 45% of the world population in 1980 when I was a nine-year-old boy, to about 8% today.
• 39:24
  That is a ridiculous level of improvement, and it's not socialism.
• 39:29
  People sometimes say, well, what about the part of that that socialism did?
• 39:32
  Socialism has never made anybody wealthy except the people that run the countries.
• 39:37
  Maduro was wealthy.
• 39:38
  Fidel Castro was wealthy.
• 39:39
  Fidel Castro's daughter is still incredibly wealthy.
• 39:42
  So yeah, the leadership gets wealthy.
• 39:45
  The people do not.
• 39:46
  You know, people talk about the health system and uh, you know, who's the guy that made a video about it about how great Cuba's health care system is.
• 39:54
  Completely fraudulent.
• 39:56
  Cuba's got three health care systems.
• 39:58
  They have one for the government, that's actually pretty good.
• 40:01
  They have one for uh medical tourism.
• 40:03
  You know, if you and I want to go to Cuba, we can't because of the terror of uh you know we're not allowed to go there.
• 40:08
  But if a Canadian wants to go to Cuba for medical care, they've got a great health care system for that.
• 40:13
  Medical tourism is a big industry in Cuba.
• 40:16
  But then they have the one for the Cuban people, where most of their hospitals don't even have band-aids.
• 40:21
  I mean, it is it is one of the most atrocious health care systems in the world.
• 40:25
  When Bernie Sanders says it's good, no, it's a lie.
• 40:28
  Uh when when uh fat guy that makes the videos when he said that it was good, that too was lie.
• 40:34
  Can't think of his name.
• 40:35
  Uh you know what I'm talking about.
• 40:38
  It's a complete lie that that Cuba has, and they don't even have a functional health care system for their people.
• 40:44
  They haven't had a functional health care system in a very long time.
• 40:47
  So, you know, it's just a complete lie.
• 40:49
  Socialism does not reduce poverty, it increases poverty.
• 40:52
  It makes everybody equally poor.
• 40:55
  Free markets, well, in free markets, if you work, you do well.
• 40:58
  In the United States, according to the Brookings Institute, which leans left.
• 41:02
  If you have a if you work after high school, get a high school diploma and then maintain a job.
• 41:09
  If you avoid children out of marriage, and if you just work consistently, you will make it into the middle class.
• 41:16
  You it's it's hard to stay poor in America if you want, even if you want to, unless you're dependent on government.
• 41:22
  If you avoid government dependency, if you work, and you don't have kids out of wedlock, and you have a high school diploma, it is hard to stay poor in America, even if you want to.
• 41:34
  So this notion that there is no upward mobility is an absolute lie.
• 41:37
  There's a ton of upward mobility, even in the United States today, even as as much as we've gone in the wrong direction away from free markets, and globally, 45% of the world population in 1980 was in extreme poverty.
• 41:50
  That means in danger of starvation, only 8% today.
• 41:54
  Well, if we follow Pope Leo, we'll reverse that trend and subject billions of people who no longer face starvation with the same kind of extreme poverty that their families only recently escaped.
• 42:00
  Who no longer face starvation with the same kind of extreme poverty that their families only recently escaped.
• 42:08
  That's just a fact.
• 42:08
  That's just a fact.
• 42:09
  Pope Leo may be a true believer in socialism.
• 42:09
  Pope Leo may be a true believer in socialism.
• 42:12
  He, Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Casio Cortez, Mabdani, all of these guys, all of these socialists.
• 42:12
  He, Bernie Sanders, uh Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, uh Mabdani, all of these guys, all of these socialists, they may be true believers of socialism.
• 42:21
  They may be true believers of socialism.
• 42:24
  They may truly believe the faith.
• 42:24
  They may truly believe the faith.
• 42:27
  But that does not prevent the policies they
• 42:27
  But that does not prevent the policies they support and the policies that Pope Leo supports from causing tremendous harm.
• 42:35
  If Pope Leo had his way, billions of people would be in extreme poverty again.
• 42:40
  And yes, many of them would starve.
• 42:42
  And we might not take responsibility for it, but it would be his fault.
• 42:46
  And that's just that's just the way it works.
• 42:49
  When the Pope says Jesus does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war, that was a direct rebuke of Trump for bombing Iran.
• 42:58
  This, of course, came after Iran killed tens of thousands of its own citizens.
• 43:01
  Some estimates are as high as 40,000.
• 43:04
  And though the Pope eventually also condemned Iran for killing the protesters, apparently the Pope believes that killing your own people shouldn't carry any consequences.
• 43:12
  This gets back into that just war thing.
• 43:15
  Christianity is a doctrine not of no war, but of just war.
• 43:19
  And uh you can disagree with me if you want, but I think that we're doing Iran is the most just war that I have seen in my lifetime.
• 43:26
  I've been alive for I was alive for the tail end of Vietnam.
• 43:30
  That's how far back I go.
• 43:32
  Uh, this is the most just war of my lifetime.
• 43:36
  Uh the Pope also, of course, ignores that the Iranian regime is a 47-year history of promising to wipe Israel from the face of the earth, of making death to America its national chant, and of calling nuclear weapons the sword of Allah from an irrel within a religion that insists on spreading itself by the sword.
• 43:55
  That's Quran 9.5 and 929.
• 43:58
  The mulahs of Iran hate Christian dumb and have missiles that can hit the Vatican.
• 44:02
  You know, the Pope might think about that.
• 44:04
  They have missiles that can hit the Vatican.
• 44:06
  Iran said they were seven days from having materials for 11 bombs, and we found out after we started bombing them that they already had missiles.
• 44:15
  Nobody knew they had these that could hit the Vatican.
• 44:18
  That's a problem.
• 44:19
  When the Pope offers his deepest sympathy to the Palestinian people in Gaza, who this again, direct quote, deepest sympathy of the Palestinian people in Gaza, who continue to live in fear to survive in unacceptable conditions, forced once again from their lands.
• 44:33
  Well, when he says that, he's ignoring that Hamas rules over the Gaza Strip and uses it not to build a nation.
• 44:40
  Oh, no, no, no, they don't build a nation.
• 44:42
  No, they use it as a base of operations for killing Jews.
• 44:46
  Children of the Gaza Strip are taught as children that killing Jews is a moral imperative.
• 44:51
  They're taught it at school.
• 44:52
  It's in the songs that children sing, their cartoon characters on TV tell them to kill Jews.
• 44:59
  It's horrific.
• 45:01
  And uh the Pope says absolutely nothing about changing that.
• 45:06
  If you don't change the culture in the Gaza Strip, calls for peace, ring hollow.
• 45:13
  Hamas is raising generations of children to hate Israel and to hate Jews and to idealize dying and killing them.
• 45:23
  And uh, you know, 80% of the people of Gaza and Poles support this.
• 45:28
  The fact of the matter is Israel would love to live in peace.
• 45:31
  The people in Gaza, according to those polls, not so much.
• 45:35
  What they want is to kill Jews and to wipe out Israel.
• 45:38
  And I'm sorry if that bothers you, but that's what the polls say.
• 45:42
  80% of the people in Gaza support Hamas, 80% of the people in Gaza supported October 7th, and uh, you know, when Hamas did what they did, and then tells the people of Israel, this isn't a one-time thing.
• 45:56
  This is not a one-time thing.
• 45:58
  We're gonna do it again and again and again and again and again, October 7th, over and over and over and over again, until either we don't exist or until you don't exist.
• 46:11
  Can you really blame Israel for deciding that Hamas could no longer exist?
• 46:15
  Hamas, when I was in the Marine Corps, I've talked about this before.
• 46:18
  When I was training in the Marine Corps for the first Persian Gulf War, Desert Storm, we were told very very clearly, you go to Iraq, you take out Iraqi military hardware, you take it out where you find it.
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  If Iraq wants to put tanks in playgrounds with children playing on the tanks, you take out the tank.
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  The fact that there are kids on the tank, that's Iraq's fault.
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  That's not your fault.
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  It's the same thing with Hamas.
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  If they want to put rocket launchers on top of apartment buildings, you take out the rocket launcher.
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  It's too bad it's not an apartment building.
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  If they want to put command centers, military command centers under hospitals, you take out the hot the command center.
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  If you can get to it without taking out the hospital, that's great, but you take out the command center.
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  If you, if you if you allow combatants to utilize civilians as shields, what you're doing is you're normalizing the use of civilians as shields.
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  The only way to prevent that from becoming normal, the only way to avoid making that normal, to discourage other countries and other people from doing it, is to take out the legitimate military targets where you see them.
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  And I salute Israel for doing it with boots on the ground, door to door, carefully to minimize civilian casualties as much as they can.
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  The IDF, you know, they're they're suffering casualties too, and they're doing that because they don't want to kill civilians.
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  That's the truth.
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  And the Pope says nothing about that.
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  Israel would love to live in peace.
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  The people in Gaza, as I said, not so much.
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  Also, the Pope treats Islam and Christianity as sibling religions.
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  He says that we can get along in peace, that Islam is a religion of peace.
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  I don't know what Islam he's talking about.
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  A lot of Islamic people do follow it that way.
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  Millions of Muslims are peaceful, they live in ways that are compatible with secular societies.
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  I'm not attacking Muslims.
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  I'm attacking Islam as a belief system, Islam as a moral structure.
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  And uh, well, the Pope, when he says it when he treats them as sibling religions, he's ignoring that the central tenets of these two faiths have completely inverted moralities.
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  I wrote about the inversion of those moralities in an article on White Rose Magazine.
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  You can go to go to White Rose Magazine, you can get a lot more detail on that.
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  I'm going to touch on it briefly here.
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  If you want more detail, go to White Rose.
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  Christianity and Judaism, they both base their morality on the moral laws within the law of Moses.
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  We started the show with.
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  Summarized as God is loving God above all things and loving other people as much as you love yourself.
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  Well, Islam's moral base is that of submission to Allah's law, Sharia, that is submission to Allah's law.
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  And uh they don't exalt the submission if you if they actually exalt those who force others to submit even against their will.
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  Force others to submit even against their will.
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  That's the jihad piece.
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  That's the jihad piece.
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  So Sharia is the submission to Allah's law, and jihad is forcing others to submit to Sharia law against their will.
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  So Sharia is the submission to Allah's law, and jihad is forcing others to submit to Sharia law against their will.
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  One could not make two moral systems more different, the Christianity, Judeo-Christian morals, and Islamic morals, if they sat down and tried.
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  One could not make two moral systems more different, the Christianity, Judeo-Christian morals, and Islamic morals if they sat down and tried.
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  Christianity, it is personal from the ground up, with no rules for the running of the state.
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  Christianity, it is personal from the ground up, with no rules for the running of the state.
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  And Jesus made this explicit in John 18 36.
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  And Jesus made this explicit in John 1836, Matthew 22, 21, and Luke 17, 20 to 21.
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  Whereas the Quran specifies that Sharia is for all mankind, and that only Allah can make laws.
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  That's the Quran 1240, 657, 544, 4210, 3428, 715, and 2107.
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  In Islam, any laws made by man are inherently null and void.
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  Only Allah can make the laws.
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  The Quran covers civil law, it covers moral law, it covers everything, and it is according to its according to the Quran, that is the only law that exists.
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  Now, individual Muslims can, of course, live in ways that are compatible with the secular society.
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  But to do so, they have to ignore some of the central tenets of their own faith, including the tenet that anyone not practicing Islam correctly has been taught the truth and rejected it.
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  The only remedy for which, according to Quran 385, 4115, Sahih al-Bukarah 6922 and various other places.
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  The only the only solution for that is death.
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  If a Muslim is not practicing correctly, if they're not doing Muhammad's commands correctly, they've been taught the truth and rejected, and they have to die.
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  So that's what apostasy is in Islam.
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  If you're an apostate, yeah, you can live in a way that is compatible with a secular society, but now you're not compatible with a strict Muslim society because as an apostate they want to kill you.
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  The moderates in Islam are in more danger than Christians and Jews are in Islam because if the apostates are the ones that they're that they're called upon to kill first.
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  There's no constitution under Sharia, by the way.
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  And there's no civil rights under under the uh in in Sharia.
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  That's in Quran 544 and 3336.
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  Women are considered half as valuable, half as smart, and half as honest as men.
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  Quran 2282 and Sahih al-Bakura 2658.
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  If a woman is raped, she has to prove that she did nothing to invite it, or the rape is considered her fault, and the stain for that shame on her family can only be erased through an honor killing.
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  This is not directly written into the Quran, but it's a side effect in most Muslim countries based on women needing four witnesses to counteract the allegations of the man who raped her.
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  That's Quran 24.
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  Also, rape of anyone captured in jihad or in the furtherance of jihad is explicitly allowed under Islam in Quran 424, 235 to 6, 3350, and 70, 2930, which is why grooving gangs were allowed to gang rape thousands of underage girls across England for several decades, and why in parts of Germany and Sweden, the rape of native girls is now referred to as misunderstandings.
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  Not enforcing rape laws is how Europe has decided to square Islam with secularism.
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  And if that sounds horrific, it is.
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  Well, Islamophobia is not a word I even use.
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  We should be afraid of Islam.
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  We should be afraid of living under Sharia law.
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  And I could understand atheists looking at all religions as false, and then just blowing off all tenets of all religions as silly perversions of truth.
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  I disagree with that contention, but I can at least logically understand it.
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  The problem is that believers tend to follow the tenets of their religion, whether they're silly or not, and the more fervently one holds their belief, the more closely they are to follow them.
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  And I expect the Pope of all people, incidentally, to know that.
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  Now, Jews and Christians are apt to love their fellow man more as they deepen their faith.
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  Not all Christians have the deepest of faith.
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  We're all imperfect, that's the whole point of Christianity.
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  We need Jesus' salvation.
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  That's the whole point.
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  But the more we try to be like Jesus, the more we deepen our faith, the more we are apt to love our fellow man.
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  Muslims are apt to become more radicalized into jihad as they deepen their faith.
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  And this is not driven by Muslims being bad people, is driven by the religion itself.
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  Islam is incompatible with other ways of life.
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  Quran 354 celebrates Allah's willingness to lie, and they deceived, and Allah deceived, and Allah is the best of deceivers.
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  Pair that with Revelations 12.9.
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  And the great dragon was thrown down that ancient serpent who is called the devil and Satan the deceiver of the whole world.
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  Deceiver in both.
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  Is Allah Satan?
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  Well, morally speaking, the Judeo-Christian world, of course he is.
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  And is in Islam our Judeo-Christian God might as well be called evil.
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  Yeah, the moral systems are inversions of one another, so of course they find one another evil.
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  And while individuals should always strive to live in peace and tolerance, nations have to be honest about incompatibility between faiths.
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  When the Pope applies individual morality to nation states, he commits a very serious error.
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  When he equates Islam to Christianity as morally equal, he's committing something much closer to blasphemy.
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  And ironically, it's blasphemy under Islam as well.
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  The Pope is not alone, by the way, of making such critical errors.
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  Europe is providing a master class in civilizational suicide that there are plenty of Americans who want to follow along.
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  The Pope is unique only because he is supposed to be the torchbearer of the Judeo-Christian moral order.
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  The law of Moses is misunderstood because it contains different kinds of laws applied to different kinds of people in different kinds of contexts.
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  When those distinctions are ignored, well, the result, of course, is confusion.
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  Ceremonial law gets mistaken for moral law, and civil law is mistaken for a universal truth.
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  The same mistake is now being made at a much larger scale.
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  The Bible did not confuse the morality of the individual with the responsibilities of the state, and it did not pretend that mercy could replace justice or that peace could exist without the willingness to defend it.
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  It understood that nations have obligations, that individuals do not, and that failing to meet those obligations is negligence.
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  When modern leaders collapse those distinctions, they are not elevating morality, they are destroying it.
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  That is the error at the heart of the Pope's statements.
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  By applying individual moral commands to nation states, he strips governments of the tools required to protect their people.
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  By treating fundamentally incompatible moral systems as though they are variations of the same truth, he obscures the reality that not all moral frameworks are the same.
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  All moral frameworks are the same.
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  Now, misunderstanding the law of Moses, it leads to bad theology.
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  Now, misunderstanding the law of Moses, it leads to bad theology.
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  Misapplying moral law to the governance of nations leads to something far worse.
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  Misapplying moral law to the governance of nations leads to something far worse.
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  It leads to policies that reward aggression, punish restraint, and place entire populations at risk.
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  It leads to policies that reward aggression, punish restraint, and place entire populations at risk.
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  As we see in Europe, the result is civilizational collapse.
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  As we see in Europe, the result is civilizational collapse.
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  And if the United States follows Europe's lead, there will be no coming back.
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  And if the United States follows Europe's lead, there will be no coming back.
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  And just like that, ladies and gentlemen,
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  And just like that, ladies and gentlemen, we are out of time.
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  As always, thank you for tuning in.
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  Eastern Standard Time or on Sunday at 10 p.m.
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  Eastern Standard Time or on podcast whenever they have time.
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  And uh as always, we will see you next week at the same time and place where it'll once again be time to get involved and to get loud on America Out Loud.