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Bruce Bowen GOES OFF on Thunder's Future Dynasty, Hailburton's Struggles, Durant to Spurs Potential · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: have a guest join us, an old friend that I
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  Speaker 1: realized I ain't called him long enough because he used
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  Speaker 1: to be so busy. He'd be hollering at us from
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  Speaker 1: the car, driving people around in the morning and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Live from San Antonio, Bruce Bowen, what's going on, man?
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  Speaker 2: Bomani, it's good to be here, my man.
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  Speaker 3: You threw out something there, you know, live, driving the
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  Speaker 3: kids around.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say kids. I didn't say kids. I just
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  Speaker 1: said driving.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. My bad.
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  Speaker 3: Because it seems like in retirement, that's all I do.
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  Speaker 3: I drive my kids to tournaments. I mean, they sit
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  Speaker 3: in the back seat like I'm their chauffeur.
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  Speaker 2: So... I'd have to get that off my chest.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny you mentioned that, though. I was staying
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  Speaker 1: at a hotel in Houston because I did the commencement address.
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  Speaker 1: at Prairie View, and as I'm walking out, who do
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  Speaker 1: I see pulling up in the Navigator? Gerald McCoy. Why?
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  Speaker 1: Driving his kids to a tournament.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Like, every time I feel like if I see an athlete, like,
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  Speaker 1: in the wild, in the natural world, y'all got them
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  Speaker 1: kids in the back going to some game.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'll say this.
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  Speaker 3: It's impressive to see the amount of NBA kids that
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  Speaker 3: play in these summer leagues and these different circuits. It's
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  Speaker 3: impressive from the standpoint that, Bomana, you're a Californian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a Californian.
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  Speaker 3: When we were coming up, or I should say when
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  Speaker 3: I was coming up, we would go from Fresno to L.A.
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  Speaker 3: for the weekend to play in Slammin' Jam. This guy
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  Speaker 3: by the name of Izzy Washington ran this program. And
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  Speaker 3: you would find so many individuals. But you didn't have
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  Speaker 3: middle schoolers or elementary kids playing. Now you got this.
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  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, these kids are saying, I want to be
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  Speaker 3: an NBA player. I didn't think that when I was
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  Speaker 3: seven years old or 18.
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  Speaker 2: Years old, it just didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a great outlet for kids and we support
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  Speaker 3: our kids in any way, shape or form we can.
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  Speaker 1: Now, see, I'm a Texas guy. And the way the
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  Speaker 1: kids got down on that was just running, hit each
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  Speaker 1: other in the backyard. You know what I'm saying? Just
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  Speaker 1: playing unsanctioned football. But everybody I know, man, all y'all
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  Speaker 1: with these kids and y'all taking them out all weekend
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  Speaker 1: doing all of this. And I feel like explaining to people.
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  Speaker 1: It's still only 30 teams. It's all these kids doing
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  Speaker 1: more and more. It's still only 30 teams in the league. Now, look,
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  Speaker 1: it's a big old world. And this college money is
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  Speaker 1: about to completely change the game where, look, you come
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  Speaker 1: out of college and you made $ 8 million or something
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  Speaker 1: like that while you were in school. You're not set
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  Speaker 1: for life, but you shouldn't have to worry if you
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  Speaker 1: play this right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and this is where parenting comes into play.
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  Speaker 3: You know, your kid go to college for three years
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  Speaker 3: and they come out with $ 6 million. there's they shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be going into the NBA saying, oh, I'm struggling. I
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  Speaker 3: got to take care of my family. No, that should
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  Speaker 3: be that should be one of their goals of, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I've always wanted to play in the NBA. But it
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  Speaker 3: is really something to see where the game's evolved in.
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  Speaker 3: And it also makes you kind of look at it
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  Speaker 3: from another perspective to Bomani as far as, OK, if
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  Speaker 3: my kid is 22 years old and he has eight
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  Speaker 3: million dollars, What are the chances that he's going to
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  Speaker 3: turn that into 16 million by the time he's 30, 35?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think it kind of takes away that
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  Speaker 3: drive to learn and to want to earn when you're
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  Speaker 3: giving things quite like that without necessarily working for it.
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  Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with a buddy of mine yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and he's got a son that's a high-level player that's
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  Speaker 1: looking like he'll be able, if nothing else, to make
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money in college. And again, good for
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  Speaker 1: them because they was getting work for so long. So
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  Speaker 1: being able to say that you can get that money
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  Speaker 1: in college, I'm happy for him. money has never made
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  Speaker 1: a teenager a likable person. It has not happened one time, right?
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  Speaker 1: This is where this is all going to get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit weird because the parenting game, and it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: because the level of helicopter parenting that we see with people,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to see how many people figure out,
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  Speaker 1: you need to set it to where them kids ain't
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  Speaker 1: struggling in college, not hurting in college, but they ain't
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  Speaker 1: got to be walking around in college with no $ 100, 000
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  Speaker 1: chain because ultimately you're going to have to have something
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  Speaker 1: in life to look forward to. If it is better
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  Speaker 1: for you at this point in life than it ever is,
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  Speaker 1: and I know you know those guys who lived good
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  Speaker 1: while they was in the league and how hard it
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  Speaker 1: is now if they ain't got that money no more
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  Speaker 1: because what is there to look forward to? You have
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  Speaker 1: nothing left to look forward to. You did it all
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  Speaker 1: that fast.
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  Speaker 3: My thoughts on it Bomani is that, okay, after basketball,
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  Speaker 3: then what? If you didn't take college seriously, if you
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  Speaker 3: didn't get out of there with a degree, because the
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  Speaker 3: degree for me was always after basketball. I was fortunate
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  Speaker 3: to do what I did, but I knew that I
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  Speaker 3: would need to rely on something afterwards because I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to be able to do that forever.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of guys that are thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh, I'll just do a podcast like Bomani Jones.
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  Speaker 2: I can do what he does. Really?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's competitive out there.
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  Speaker 3: And so what are you going to study where you
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  Speaker 3: can necessarily go in that field? And you talked about
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  Speaker 3: walking around with a $ 100, 000 chain. What about the cars?
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  Speaker 3: What about the place of residence? What about how they
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  Speaker 3: look at a dorm room or an apartment now? Those
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  Speaker 3: are all, I believe, those are part of the journey
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  Speaker 3: of where you're going. So you start small and you
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  Speaker 3: end up big. But if you start big, what do
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  Speaker 3: you go to from that?
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  Speaker 1: It's the toughest thing like this. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: interesting watching all of this get navigated. It's somebody who
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  Speaker 1: advocated strongly for a very long time for this day
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  Speaker 1: to come. Right. It's like good for all of you.
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  Speaker 1: But man, I hope you put some if you put
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  Speaker 1: this bread away, you go wind up in so much
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  Speaker 1: of a better position and situation. I'm going to tell
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  Speaker 1: you this, too. Not that them college boys got money.
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  Speaker 1: It's a whole different game of shark that's coming at them.
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  Speaker 1: It's sharks coming at them in high school to get
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  Speaker 1: their hands on their financial, you know, financial management type
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  Speaker 1: stuff and everything else. And then if we be a
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  Speaker 1: real man, there's sharks that be waiting in the tunnel
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA are now going to be on campus.
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  Speaker 2: Not even on campus. They're at the AU level, baby.
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  Speaker 3: And this is where, unfortunately, you had parents. that were
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  Speaker 3: pimping their kids to be able to get this bread.
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  Speaker 3: Now you look at the dichotomy of a family situation
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  Speaker 3: because whenever an athlete feels like they've been taken advantage of,
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  Speaker 3: not just by somebody from outside, but from family, it
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  Speaker 3: creates a whole nother level of distrust and it creates
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  Speaker 3: a level of separate, people separating themselves from their families.
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  Speaker 3: So what was looked at as a great opportunity Now
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  Speaker 3: they're going to, you know, and it just came to
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  Speaker 3: me right now, Beasley. Michael Beasley has been through a
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  Speaker 3: lot of things.
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  Speaker 2: That we have seen for ages.
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  Speaker 3: He has been, I think, strong and brave enough to
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  Speaker 3: put it out there because I remember his situations. I
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  Speaker 3: remember him being a go-to guy in Phoenix and then
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  Speaker 3: wanted to change his world and all the things he
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  Speaker 3: had coming at him. We're talking about Michael Beasley, who
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  Speaker 3: could handle his business on the basketball court. But you
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  Speaker 3: look at him now, you look at the things that
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  Speaker 3: he's had to go through, that's unfortunate. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: wish that on anyone, but that's what we bring into effect,
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  Speaker 3: all this money now. And what about this, Romani? How
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  Speaker 3: about figuring out something where they can get their money
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  Speaker 3: later in life? Once you hit 30, you get a
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  Speaker 3: certain amount of that money that you got early on.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that this is something that they'd have
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  Speaker 3: to do with them their circle of trust. But I
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  Speaker 3: just think that you give kids too much money early on,
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  Speaker 3: it's nothing positive after that.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I do think, though, where Michael Beasley
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting case, and I think most of the
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  Speaker 1: people who listen to this podcast are old enough to
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  Speaker 1: have remembered seeing Michael Beasley at Kansas State. But if
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  Speaker 1: you did not. Woo! Woo!
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was so easy for him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was just there are people
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  Speaker 3: that you look that I looked at when I got
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  Speaker 3: to the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, dang, if he didn't have basketball, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what he would have. Yeah. He's one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Antoine Walker.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the easiness with what they did and how
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  Speaker 3: they did things, man. You know, I just think that
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  Speaker 3: so many times we don't see that in individuals. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go one more. Rudy Gay, the way
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  Speaker 3: that Rudy played, you were just like, man. Is it
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  Speaker 3: difficult for you? You were born a basketball player.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The thing I wonder, though, about Beasley, I remember that
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  Speaker 1: year that Beasley was at Kansas State. I want to
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  Speaker 1: say Dana O'Neill wrote this profile of him for ESPN
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  Speaker 1: and it was really long and it was really good.
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  Speaker 1: But the quotes from Michael Beasley screamed out. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to leave school. I'm not quite ready for the world.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to stay here and keep having fun.
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  Speaker 1: But obviously the money that was on the other side
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  Speaker 1: was too much. Do you know how badly somebody is
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  Speaker 1: saying that they want to stay somewhere? If they want
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  Speaker 1: to stay in Manhattan, Kansas, like you realize what, like
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  Speaker 1: with somebody, if they cry for help is I want
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  Speaker 1: to stay here and stay there. But I wonder for
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  Speaker 1: a guy like that, if he can get that bread
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  Speaker 1: in college then maybe you don't feel like you got
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  Speaker 1: to go to the league at 19 years old maybe
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  Speaker 1: you can take that time in college and grow up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was what college life gave him it
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  Speaker 3: was secluded it was secluded He didn't have to worry
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  Speaker 3: about them streets. He didn't have to worry about folks
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  Speaker 3: coming at him left or right. He was able to
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  Speaker 3: just be happy and play basketball as he did in
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  Speaker 3: his early youth. So those are also some of the
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  Speaker 3: things that scream out during that time, because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's something else, Bomani. Like when guys realize those that
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  Speaker 3: you were close to, their hands are out or their
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  Speaker 3: hands were in your pockets and it was unbeknownst to you.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's a that's a. That's a situation that I've seen,
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  Speaker 3: I've been in, and it really breaks the trust to
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  Speaker 3: another level.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this quote from that article I was just
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  Speaker 1: talking about from Beasley. And this is Michael Beasley at,
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  Speaker 1: I want to say, 20 years old, 19 or 20.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still a kid. I'm still irresponsible. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to still be irresponsible sometimes. When I go to the NBA,
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  Speaker 1: that's over. My life is America's life. LeBron James gets
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  Speaker 1: a speeding ticket, the cop goes on with his day,
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  Speaker 1: and LeBron is all over SportsCenter. Britney Spears shaves her head,
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  Speaker 1: it's everywhere. You shave your hair, who cares? That's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm ready for the NBA. Yo, he
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  Speaker 1: was telling you, and that first year for him in
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  Speaker 1: Miami was like, oh, him, Pat Riley has taken him, right?
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  Speaker 1: And all the way to the end, Pat Riley told people,
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  Speaker 1: that someday that boy's going to figure it out and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's going to pay for it. He was so good
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  Speaker 1: that everybody had to try, but it was just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more than he could handle.
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  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, when you don't have that, what you said
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  Speaker 3: in the beginning, that support system, that support system that
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  Speaker 3: allows you to receive those nuggets from a Hall of
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  Speaker 3: Fame coach and individual like Pat Riley, if he sees
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  Speaker 3: something in you, you got to remember, this is the
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  Speaker 3: same man that had Kareem Abdul-Jabbar This is the same
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  Speaker 3: man who had Magic Johnson. This is the same guy
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  Speaker 3: who had LeBron James and Dwayne Wade at one time.
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  Speaker 3: So when you hear those things coming from someone quite
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  Speaker 3: like that, you have to take into account of what's
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  Speaker 3: being said and how good this individual is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Last thing I will also say is I can't
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  Speaker 1: think of a worse idea than sending that boy to
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  Speaker 1: Miami to get it started.
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  Speaker 2: I concur.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say, you had your run as
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  Speaker 1: a youngster in Miami, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: But you know what, Bomani, I was not... So let's
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  Speaker 3: take that into account. My time in Miami compared to
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  Speaker 3: his early days in Miami. People don't know me. People
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  Speaker 3: don't know me as a player of the year in college.
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  Speaker 3: People don't know me as any of those things. He
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  Speaker 3: came out with, you know... The dollar signs was on
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  Speaker 3: his shoulders when he was coming out. Whereas I walk
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  Speaker 3: into a place, they're like, oh, Mina, que grande tu eres.
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  Speaker 3: And that was it.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, when someone did ask me what I did, no,
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  Speaker 2: I played basketball. Oh yeah, for who? Oh, Miami Heat.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, we got a team, huh? That's what's up.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's up. But, yo, let me ask you, before
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  Speaker 1: we go too far on this, man, you have to
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  Speaker 1: love the Thunder. Like, I watched them play defense, and
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  Speaker 1: I just think to myself, that's a team that Bruce
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  Speaker 1: Bowen would love to play.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take this into account. You look at each series
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  Speaker 3: they've been in and what they've done to the opponents,
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  Speaker 3: from a defensive standpoint, just that alone, they're number one
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  Speaker 3: in defense this whole year during the season. And they
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  Speaker 3: take pride in it. They understand that when things aren't
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  Speaker 3: going well, it's not about our offense. Nine times out
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  Speaker 3: of 10, it's the defense that has not been felt
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  Speaker 3: for your opponent.
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  Speaker 2: And I just love it, man.
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  Speaker 3: I think about this where People talk about, oh, and
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  Speaker 3: he struggled.
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  Speaker 2: He did this, he did that.
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  Speaker 3: The struggle was the fact that he always had somebody
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  Speaker 3: on him when he was coming off a pick and roll.
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  Speaker 2: That was the struggle.
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  Speaker 3: Not going under, they were wedging themselves between the screener
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  Speaker 3: and him and being physical. That's what I love about
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  Speaker 3: that series concerning Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about Denver.
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  Speaker 3: MVP got a team that is doing bigger and better things.
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  Speaker 2: Man, look here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Jokic looked good for half the time, but the
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  Speaker 3: other half of the time, he was laboring because of
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  Speaker 3: the physicality of the game.
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  Speaker 2: Now, people talk about, oh, you know, they're being too physical.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is basketball. We're talking about the best players
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  Speaker 3: in the world. We don't want to give touch fouls.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see how good they really are being able to
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  Speaker 3: create for themselves and deal with the physicality of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Shea Gilchrist, I mean, I watch him initiate contact quite
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  Speaker 3: like Anthony Edwards initiated contact in his one-on-one moves. But
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  Speaker 3: it's just impressive for him that he gets just enough
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  Speaker 3: separation to go ahead and do what's necessary. And I
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  Speaker 3: haven't spoken about Williams yet because I figure we're going
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  Speaker 3: to have a lot of time to talk about how
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  Speaker 3: special he is.
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  Speaker 1: So actually, I kind of want to start there because
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  Speaker 1: we're talking now coming off of Game 5 with the
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  Speaker 1: Thunder up 3-2 and Jalen Williams scored 40 points in
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  Speaker 1: Game 5. And look, I realize... I believe that there's
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  Speaker 1: a world where there's two kinds of people, people who
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: think Scottie Pippen is overrated, people who think Scottie Pippen
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  Speaker 1: is underrated. There is no in-between. But after he put
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  Speaker 1: up 40 points and people were then making the Scottie
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  Speaker 1: Pippen comparison, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Scottie
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  Speaker 1: ain't giving you 40 in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Scottie wasn't that.
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  Speaker 3: Scottie couldn't initiate the offense and still be an offensive threat.
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  Speaker 3: The beauty about it, and I was thinking about this,
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  Speaker 3: knowing that I was going to be on your show,
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  Speaker 3: thinking about two types of scores that you need on
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  Speaker 3: the floor and also someone else who can benefit from
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  Speaker 3: those scores. And you look at Gilchrist and Williams, they're
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  Speaker 3: two different type of scores.
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  Speaker 2: Both can get downhill. One's a little bigger in Williams.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that he is bigger, he doesn't settle
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  Speaker 2: for the jump shots.
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  Speaker 3: And I love that they get them moving instead of
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  Speaker 3: an ISO post-up. So you look at his points in
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  Speaker 3: the paint last night.
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  Speaker 2: That's the part that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Really demoralizes a team because someone just keeps coming that's
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: what we remember about kobe with shat he kept on
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: putting pressure on the defense getting in the paint it
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: wasn't about settling for jump shots it was about getting
• 17:13
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• 17:15
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• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Love what williams was able to do in addition to
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you never saw williams looking at Gilchrist kind of like, no, no, no,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it's my turn. It's my turn. No, he knows that's
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the MVP.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: So when they did their screen and roll, it was
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: more about, okay, I've taken the burden off of Shea
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: because I've been able to.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Do these things.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: So now let me go ahead and get it to
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: him because the team, or I should say the defense,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: is preoccupied with what I'm doing because of the attacking.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like I saw... both of those guys make
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like a graduation type step in this postseason. Because I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: had questions about, in spite of how good Shea Gilgis was,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: and he won the MVP, obviously, and didn't, it wasn't like,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: if he, I thought Jokic was the MVP, but it's
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: not a, I'm mad this other guy won it. You
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like he was, he was right
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: there in the same space. And with Williams, my question was, okay,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: are we really talking about a number two? Though what
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: it means to be a championship number two is different
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in this era of parity, right? but did I think
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: given what I had seen earlier in this postseason that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Jalen Williams could give you 40 in the must win
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: game five no I didn't did I think that Shea
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: could be the guy to will like get that 15
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: in the last five minutes not because he was just
• 18:33
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• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think he could do those things no now that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I have seen these things oh oh oh like I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't think he couldn't do it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But it was over.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: You didn't think he could, though.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you think about it. This team is
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: only in the playoffs for the second year. That's it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: So let me share something with you about Sam Presi.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Sam has developed a great environment there where all the
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: players want to do is become better. And they have
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to do that there. I know it sounds minimal, but.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: It's not a lot of distractions in OKC. If you
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: truly love the game of basketball, you'll be in the
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: gym working on your game, a la Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: James Harden.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on. And which one of
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: them needed to get out of there?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Come on now.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And the one that needed to get out, it was
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: contractual things early on with James, you know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: But once he got out, he was like, my eyes.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Have seen the glory of what adult establishments are.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Right there.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: But they've been able to create that environment there, you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and when you have kids today because you have a
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: lot of players today who love the game and they
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: just want to be in the gym i remember when
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: victor oladipo was drafted to orlando Jack had to send him,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Jack Vaughn at the time was the.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Coach, he had to send him out of the gym
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: because he'd.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Stay in the gym. You had gym rats. And there
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: was a time where guys would work out for a while,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: but then it was like, hey, what are we doing tonight?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: You see kind of the effect and impact of what
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Kobe was. You see the impact of what MJ was
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: as far as, hey, man, you got to get better.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: How do you get better? You put time in on
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: your game. And so for me, I see what they're
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: doing in that culture because if it's truly about basketball,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: then this is your Madison Square Garden.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You can become any and everything that you want here.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: We've seen others that's done it, and it's no coincidence
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that you've had three MVPs to come out of there
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: as far as Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, and Gilchrist.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I was talking about the Desmond Bay trade on Monday,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and I still don't know if that's a guy you
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: give up four first-round picks for. I don't care. You
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: can explain all the nuances and all of that stuff,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I'm still not sure
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that's what you do. But the point that I made
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: was I don't know if Orlando– I'm not as wild
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: about Paolo as other people. I think Wagner is good,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: but I don't feel like they have like that frontline guy.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: But what they put together is a collection of pretty
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: good players. Right. Low space. I think Paolo is better
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: than pretty good. But, you know, I don't see that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that that top top guy, except in this new NBA.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know how important that is because of the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: level of parity that's across the league, except Oklahoma City
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: does have that top line guy. And it looks like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: they might have that classic number two guy. And then
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: we start talking about Chet and they got all the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: first round picks and they got a deep team with
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who just do stuff. This could
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: be terrifying for a long time. Like, I don't want
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to act like these finals are over, but even if
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: they not over next year, I know who I think
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: go win the championship.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So yeah, Again, I was going into something about having
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: two dynamic scores on your team.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: We saw it in Shaq and Kobe.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: You saw it where Shaq was the most dominant person
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: that he can get the ball inside to him. And
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: you had Kobe that was able to do things. But
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: it was their system that allowed just two guys to
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: be the dominant forces. But you also had guys that
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: could knock down three point shot, as you see with OKC.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I have to say this. When you think about the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: dynamics of what's going on in OKC, it's kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: a la San Antonio. When you have Tony who can
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: get downhill, you have Manu who can get downhill.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: They get downhill in different types of ways, but they
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: continue to keep the pressure on the defense. Then when
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: it gets to San too consuming, you can dump it
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to TD on the block and he can be that
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: force there as well. So when you look at OKC,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of the similarities.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Chet Holmgren right now, he's doing his part, but he's
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: not required to try to be something else.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: He is interesting.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I thought he was going to have a career night
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: in Indy the other night when he had 15, I
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: think it was, in the first quarter or the first half.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: And then it kind of went silent. But he gave
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: you something then. And what happens with that is as
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: he continues to mature, he's going to find other ways
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: to get involved as well. You were saying that not
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: no matter what happens now, but looking at OKC's team,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: the only thing that will hold.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Them back, Bomani, is when someone, if someone decides, yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I've had enough of this. I want to go be
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the guy.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: But then they got 13 first-round picks in the next
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: six years.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: And, again, I credit Sam. Sam Pressey. You know, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: saw him in a clip yesterday when it was either
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: out of bounds or something, but I saw him. He
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: looked like he was ready to run on the floor.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I remember Sam when he was in his infant stages
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: here in San Antonio playing And I'm just proud of
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: what he's been able to do there. But again, you
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: look at what they have going on. They keep it simple, man.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: They keep it simple. Kids come in there to work,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: but they understand how important the defensive side is.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: And, you know, quiet is kept.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Indiana, for East Coast team, they're doing it really good
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: on the defensive side as well.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: They're making them feel.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I felt like they had a chance last night.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: But I think they cut it to four or six.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: And you saw OKC settling for a couple of jump
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: shots and maybe shouldn't or trying to force the issue
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and having turnovers. But then they got back to that
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: ball movement, body movement, and it was all she wrote.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw Sam at Summer League, I want to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: say in 21. And he was like, you know, I
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: pushed back against the allegations that they were tanking. I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: thought they were going young. And that's not necessarily the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: same thing. The process game, they were intentionally trying to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: be as terrible as possible. That was not the same
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: thing that was going on in Oklahoma City. And Sam
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, I can explain what's going on.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you don't have to explain nothing to me.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's very simple. You got a place where you got
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to draft the guys and you got to make it
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: worth it for them to stay. And so you're getting
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: all the picks you can so that you can increase
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the likelihood that you find the guy and show up.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And this is, again, different between Philadelphia because in Philadelphia
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they were building losers, right? Oklahoma City was like, we
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: may be losing games, but we are not building losers.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting how you worded that. I like that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: You know, you're building, you're also auditioning kids to see
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: who can handle what.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Do you truly love the game? Do I see fight
• 26:20
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• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Because it's not that you find the fight later on
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: once you get a couple of pieces. It's It's what
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: happens in the process of the building up. And then
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: you go out and you get the big from, shoot,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: kid now. Yes, that came from New York.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting how you look at the dynamics,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: how things have changed with him on the floor. You know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that people talk about guys can't
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: do something in the NBA, but yet still they're on
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the winning team and they're a great part of that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: winning formula. So to all those that hear the naysayers
• 26:59
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• 27:01
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  Speaker 2: It's about what the organization thinks.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: But again, these auditions, this is the same, well, kind
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  Speaker 3: At that time, he had a bunch of guys, Courtney Alexander.
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  Speaker 3: He had all these guys in San Antonio that were
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: getting a lot of minutes. Derek Dial, you know, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: people that, Folks won't know today, but they happened to
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• 27:32
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  Speaker 1: All right, we are back with Bruce Bowen coming into
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  Speaker 1: game six for the Pacers. You think they got any chance?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I do think they have a chance. I love what
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Carlisle is able to do with this team. And in
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: this team, you just find that they fight to the end.
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  Speaker 3: They You know, it started, obviously, with the Knicks series
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: and being down. And you saw in that group, man, like, hey,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: we still got a chance.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's OK.
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  Speaker 3: They extend their defense. And I think that's something that
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: gives OKC a problem. And thank goodness you have two
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: ball handlers that can handle the ball and initiate offense
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: for OKC.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: But I love the fact.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: That he has these young boys pressing up and really
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: doing a fantastic job. against some talented individuals. So with Carlisle,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't him, I might have a different opinion,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: but I still think that this group can still possibly
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: win the championship. Now, I didn't pick them to win
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the championship, but I do feel they can. And obviously
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of that depends on Halliburton and how he's playing.
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  Speaker 3: And I was watching him last night and man, So
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: there's moments where if you're not scoring the ball or
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: you're not doing something, it impacts all your game and you.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Just look like a slug out there. I'll say this.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: He got a little apprehensive on his shot last night,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: but I still saw him making plays for others. It
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't the so-called, oh, man, my game ain't right and
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I'm just over here. No, I still saw him in
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: a competitive way trying to get things done. But unfortunately
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: for him, it got a little bit in his head
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: with his shooting the ball yesterday.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So you think that it was okay to leave him
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: out there even though he was physically clearly not there?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's okay because he's the leader of
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that team. He's one of the leaders. No one else
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: can do what he does.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, it's just.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: One of those situations, unfortunately, where The next day, if
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: he doesn't play and they get smashed, what does that
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: do to the morale of everyone else then? So you
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: have to take those things into account. I don't think
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: this was a situation like a 1997 Pat Riley keeping
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: guys out.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: There too long.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: This was just a situation where he's not playing well
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and he said he's hobbled a little bit. But he
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: didn't look bad to me in the second half as
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: far as his movement. Now, they said something in the
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: first half, but in the second half, he didn't.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Look as bad. It was just the fact that he
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't making shots.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I will say this. I thought early that for the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: first time that the fight had been beat out of them.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And that is what has been so impressive about them.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: But nope, incorrect. The fight was still there. They still
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: came and they still brought it. And look, they had
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: these moments where they seemed to be a bit flustered
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in the first half. This wasn't a game where the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Thunder was taking the ball from them. It was where
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: they were giving the ball away, right? But they pulled
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: it back together. They got it there. In the second half,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: they pulled the lead into two. And that's the part
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: that gets me. It's just like, I think Oklahoma City
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is a better team, but you can't lapse against them.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That's the thing on both sides is you're really going
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to need to bring it for 48 because they're going
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: On you for 48.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: And you look at the bench and the bench production
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: for Indiana yesterday. That's who led the Cowboys. I believe
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: it was– Little guard.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: McConnell.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: McConnell.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: McConnell.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: McConnell Ladova. McConnell Ladova out there, boy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Man. And the thing is, they play without fear. And
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: they're competitive.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: You look at and those are the games where coaches
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: come back and they're talking amongst themselves and they say,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I wish we had more McConnell's out there.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't a dog effort from the others. So
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you don't say that. You're just happy that you have him.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: But that's what I mean, Bomani.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: It's like he got going and I think it sends
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: the message to OKC like, hey, hey, hey, remember, they
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: beat us game one because we were up. And I
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: felt like there's moments with OKC that they're looking for
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the knockout and the blowout. And that's when you start
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: settling for some of those jump shots. That's when you
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: become a little less protective with the basketball or a
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: little less careless with the basketball. So you see, it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: still interesting how Matham still hasn't had that consistent three-game
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: stretch for Indiana.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: We see he has a physicality, but I saw his
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: youth yesterday.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: And in that, his youth was, he got bumped on
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: the shot and he kind of, hey, I got bumped.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: You're not a star in this game. You're going to
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: go through some bumps. You're not Siakam. And man, let
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: me tell you this, for Siakam still to be playing
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: at this high level in season, I don't know what
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: season this is for him, but he's still a problem.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: And I mean, like, Problem like Manu Ginobili problem because
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: they seem so wow, but they're finishing at the basket.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Him in transition, they don't know what to do.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: You got to meet a guy like that in transit
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: because he gets going with a head of steam and
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you think, oh man, he's just wow. No, it's purposeful
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: with what he's doing and he's finishing at the basket.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It still always look like Siakam about to elbow somebody
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: in the face. I would hate to guard him. It
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: always look like it's this close.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You know what? This is basketball.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I get tired of y'all talking about now we review
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: things and was it a basketball play?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: You think Charles Oakley made basketball plays all the time?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: No.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You run across the bench, ah, take that young fella.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: You know, they need that in their life, man.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Did you just say they need it in their lives?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: They need it, bruh.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: You need a little of this. This helps you remember, like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: I better not go over there like that again. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: my grandmother said hard, hard hit, make it soft behind it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And she used to always use this phrase with me.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: You don't believe fat meat is greasy.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: It's not like... I do. No, you don't because you
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: keep doing wrong.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, I do believe in the playoff foul. Like
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: we've seen, I had a couple of good fouls. I'm like, nope,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: playoff foul. And they were respected as being playoff fouls.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Now, you know, Bomani, I'm not a lover of officials.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I hate that every single time people
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: want to do this. You know what this does? This
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: takes the onus off the ref. This tells the ref,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: you're not good at doing your job. We want to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: see something in second time, slower time to see if, yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: we can get it right then. But I just feel
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: this way is that just as many as what people
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: call bad calls, there's just as many good calls. And
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: It's not one-sided except with that one official who's no
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: longer officiating the sport of basketball anymore. I'm not talking
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: about him. I'm talking about these guys that we have
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: out there. And I love the fact that, you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: if they make a mistake, they make a mistake. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you this. A mistake is not just made
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: for the opponents. It's also for the home team as well.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: And I just wish we would stop that with the
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: whole thing when something happens.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, let's go to replay. Let's go to replay. It
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: stops the Florida game.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: And then you're taking the onus off of the refs
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: and not saying that they can do a good job.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: My goodness, we got three of them out there on
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: the floor, man.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I want to switch gears a little bit and I
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: will start general and then bring it back to specific.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, do you think. that teams should still be
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: in the market for Kevin Durant, given that your options
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: are really either a one-year rental or you're going to
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: probably need to give him a two-year extension. So let's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: say you're signing up for three more years of Kevin Durant.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. And I say it with this. But, Monty,
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: there was a time where guys hung around the NBA,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: maybe for financial reasons, you know, bad investment. This is
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: kind of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar kind of thing.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Or.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: You know, the send off, you know, with Julius Irving.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Nowadays, I think you have too many guys hanging around
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: because they love what it does for them. It is
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: not about the finances. It is not about anything other
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: than wanting to be in that limelight. And I guess
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it's their high to be still involved in basketball. When
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: you hit 40 in the NBA or 37, if you
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: got a lot of minutes, you shouldn't have a lot
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: of minutes. If you are being that mentor a la
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Vince Carter, who bounced around all over the place, bounced
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: around all over the place, but he was mentoring on
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: that bench. He was that other coach for that team
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: to help, you know, pass that message on what's necessary
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: in the game of basketball. So I think there's a
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: lot of guys hanging around too much right now. and
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: it takes away from others developing and being a better
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: opportunity for them. But you're older, you're talking about wearing
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: tear on the body, and you see them breaking down
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: at the most inopportune times. That only happens because you
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be playing a sport like that at that age
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: with all the miles that you might have on your body.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I have, mostly in the context of LeBron,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: people have gotten upset with me where I've said this,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm ready for the next generation to
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: have their place. I don't think that guys are supposed
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: to be at the top of mind for this long, right?
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And so it's incredible that LeBron has done it and
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I can't blame him for not stopping because he can
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: still play. Like I'm not saying he should quit because
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I'm ready for something new, but I am saying in
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: terms of like how we consume the product or the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: natural rhythm of a league, it's odd that the guys
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: that are still at top of mind are Steph Curry
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: after 16 years in the NBA, LeBron after 21 years,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: in the NBA or 22 years in the NBA I'm
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: sorry James Harden 16 years in the NBA and we
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: could go on with guys that are in the same
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: neighborhood and so it is a big change that guys
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: are staying this long and I think the point that
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you hit that kind of explains something that I had
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: not properly expressed was that guys didn't always play until
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: literally they could not play anymore Right now with Durant,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: it's interesting, though, because he doesn't play a lot of games.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: He's still really good when he plays. And it's hard
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to imagine there's ever going to be a world where
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: he can't get shots up. But at some point, being
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant in year 19, whether it be year 19
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: or near year 20, at some point, the payoff is
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: going to change.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: And to add to that, I just want everyone to
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: understand this.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: You're not saying that he cannot do it. You're not
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: saying he's not talented.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Enough to do it but i go into this the
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: wear and tear on the bodies like i don't know
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: off the top of my head but kevin's average minutes
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: per game for his career has got to be in
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: the high 30s and we're already talking about someone who's
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: had an achilles issue and the frame of kevin is
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: not one of bulk that that's the thing that's impressive
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: about lebron it allows him to It allows LeBron to
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: move over to another position.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Whereas LeBron's not, he's not on the wing anymore.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: He's guarding the fours and the fives now. So because
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of his physical being, he could do that. Kevin is,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: he is not that big guy. Now, you might get
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: him a good one, two years maybe, but if you're building,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: who's going to replace that? Those are the things that
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: come to my mind when you talk about what he's doing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: We're not talking about his skill set. But what happens
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: after two years when you have vested a lot into him?
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: And now what do you do in year three?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: By the way, Kevin Durant averaged 36 and a half
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: minutes last season. And in year 18, 36 and a
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: half minutes a game.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I got to say this, but that's impressive. It really
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: is impressive from the standpoint of all the years and
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: all the minutes that he's played.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: He has never.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Been a role guy, you know, where he got 12
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: minutes and had a solid 12.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I went three for four.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: That's the thing is that he doesn't know how to
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: be anything else, which is a credit to who he is.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: But that is truly amazing. Like the minutes that I play,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: I was looking at the Olympic team last year and
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: with him, Steph and LeBron, those three individuals, I was like, wow,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Years on the floor.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: But the beauty of the IQ, I don't think you
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: could ever ever get something like that anywhere else.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Now, then you have, you know, you had Joel Embiid. Like,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: he didn't look right to me on that team.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: It was just, it was moving too fast. And that
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: FIBA game is different. And to be able to adjust
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: to what it is there, ball movement, body movement, ball movement,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: body movement, it is not for everybody.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where the struggle was. with Tatum.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And I remember he got into the game and he
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: had a rip opportunity, just rip and go to the basket.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: He was trying to figure out what he wanted to do.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people are on Steve Kerr, like, oh,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: he should have played this, this, and that. But I
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: just see the difference in that game over there. You
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: can't just plug NBA guys in and say.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Hey, we got him.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm asking this, you're a San Antonio guy, the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Spurs got the number two pick two years after they
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: got the number one-est pick of the last however many years,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: do you think that they should take Dylan Harper?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Woo.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And I say it for this. Dylan Daddy and I,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: we real close.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that Ron talks about is
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the culture of San Antonio for my son being a
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: professional basketball player. He's going to learn things about being professional.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: And there's always a point in life when you see
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: your son playing at the highest level that you just
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: realize that you can't do nothing for him. And you
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: want him in an environment where things can help him
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: continuously improve, not just as a basketball player, but as
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: an individual as well. We saw that with Dale Curry
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: when Steph Went to Golden State. Dale wasn't in the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: gym with him with all them shots doing that anymore.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Dale was kicking balls to him because he couldn't reach it. Now,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: here you go. So when you have these types of scenarios,
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I think it only helps. And his skill, I look
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: at it like this. A deer and fox, you have Castle,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: you have Wimby. There's not going to be pressure for him.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: He's going to have a lot of one-on-one opportunities where
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: he just play the game.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: It's not a lot of places you can do that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: And people tend to learn that later in life when
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: they want to be the man and then they become
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: the man. Then they realize, oh, wow, it's two people
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: on me all the time. I no longer have the
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: freedom to do those other things. So I'm all for
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Dylan being a spur because of what it can do
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: for the club, but also what it can do for him.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you mentioned Fox and I thought that trading
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: for Fox was a good idea for them when they
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: did it, but I'm also not the biggest fan of
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Fox's game. I do feel good about, like, if you
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: need somebody to get it done when it matters, Fox
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: isn't going to be scared. But I feel like there's,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And there's a value to that,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: but there's also a certain inefficiency to his game. I
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: always wonder, like, what exactly are we going to get here? Like,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I think if they knew that Dylan Harper was going
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to be available... for them to take in this draft,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they probably don't go get Fox.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Well, but that's the thing. That's the beauty of having
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: these type of problems.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Because I think what Fox will add is that he's
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: never had a group quite like this. He's never been
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: in a, I think, a surrounding as far as an
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: organization that Is continuously trying to allow you to be
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: the best version of you, but more importantly, allowing winning
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: situations to take place.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: That's what it has to be, first and foremost.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is. I've been looking at Victor over there
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: with the monks. You know what I'm saying? You know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: seeing him down over there with the Shaolin monks. I
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like this. Like, I dig the I dig the fact
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: that at his age, he's thinking about the world in
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: this way. It is really over there, like kicking it
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: with the monks.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And you know what, Bomani? How does he learn that?
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Who influences that? That's another opportunity. That's a Greg Popovich
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: deal right there. Getting you outside of yourself to be
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: a better version of yourself and dig deeper into something.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: You know, that's the thing that I was always impressed
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: about with Pop is his education, all the reading that
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: he did. He's always handing books out. My thoughts are,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: how do you know that.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: That book is for me?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: That's because you've taken an interest in me And you
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: feel like this will enhance what I do. When it
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: comes to Victor, it's slowing the game down in a
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: way that allows him to see it differently, but also
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: understand what's required around him as well. The responsibility that
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: you have. And I think him going around in monks,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: he's learning a lot of things to be able to
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: go there and do that.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Now, this this is the year with the Spurs, because
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to be honest, they've been bad for a little bit
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: too long. This is the time. Before they got Victor,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't think they had any excuse to be as
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: bad as they were. Now this is a team that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: should be top six.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Okay. We'll say top eight at least.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Because it still takes time too with guys that have
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: never been in that environment as far as playoffs. Understanding
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: that that back-to-back game, even though you're playing a last
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: place team in the league on your back-to-back the second
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: leg of the back-to-back, you still have to prepare as
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: if that's the top team in the league. And understanding
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: that it is a requirement now that you give your
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: best effort night in, night out. Not that you didn't before,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: but sometimes you had lapses in thoughts and felt like, oh, okay,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: it was just one turnover. I'll get it back in
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: the third quarter. Now it brings everything into view as
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: far as, This is what's necessary for us to be
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: the best version of us. And we can't take steps
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: backwards and we can't take nights off.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Last thing for you. The Knicks need a head coach.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: You doubt? I was going to ask who you think
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they should hire, but you over there looking like, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: love the idea of you coaching Carl Anthony Towles. That's
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: what you want to do? You want to get in there?
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Honestly, you know what, Bo?
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Bo.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Bo Mahoney, I enjoy connecting with guys.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: And I believe that it's my connection with individuals that
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: allows them to see past what they see. It's being
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: able to encourage guys and say, hey man, no, you're
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: not just that, you're this. And so if you have that,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: if I ever had that type of opportunity, I'd love
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: to do it because it's what we do. It's you
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: giving back to the game. It's not just about, oh,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I got this guy. I want him to shoot threes
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: all the time. No, let's make it where they don't
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: have to work so hard for their baskets. I watched
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson do what he did this year. And yes,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: it was impressive. But all I kept thinking was, he's
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: so tired. Man, he has to work so hard for
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: his baskets. I think when you're able to simplify things
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: and make it where a guy can get a quick
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: layup or a quick post-up right into their play or
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: a quick shot because of the movement, that's what you
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: have to figure out, especially at the NBA level. It
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: can't be AAU on steroids because that's kind of what
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I saw with Houston a little bit this year.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I saw it. an AAU squad.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Going up against a high IQ squad against Golden State.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: And you can have all the athletes in the world.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: But if they can't play with one another, if they
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: can't get the ball from one side of the floor
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: to the other, if they can't set a screen for
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: one another, then what good is having those athletes? Jalen
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Green looked real good when he scored a bunch of points.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: But what happened after game two or one? And we
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: didn't see the same Jalen. And those are the things
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: where I think it's about getting into that, the brain
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: of that player and say, hey, no, we can't skip steps.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: This is how they're playing you. You have to be
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: able to fight through it. If someone make mention about
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: your nail color, don't worry about that. It's just something
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: they're saying to try to get you off your game.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: And you're talking about the one who does it the
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: best in the NBA as far as Draymond Green. So
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: understand everything he says, you just got to take with
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: a grain of salt. Those are the things I enjoy
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: about this game.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: And I tell you, I think about watching the Knicks
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and Brunson and all that flopping and stuff he do
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: on defense. I think he halfway there, he ready for
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: that Bruce Bowen touch on defense. He ready for it. See,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: he made me get close to the iPad right now.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Every time I do this, I end up having to
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: tell my therapist that you know what?
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: He got to me. It's been years. He hasn't been
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: on all the stuff that I'm feeling right now.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I knew, but I didn't know exactly when.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I've been waiting for an hour trying to figure out
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: how I'm going to be able to get this in.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I've been double-dutching. I've been like, how could I get
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to it? But New York would love it, Bruce. New
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: York would love that Bruce Bowen defense.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: Not only would Oak be able to come back in
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the building if I was there.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, man. I'm going to go
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: over there and they'll let me in the building. I
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: asked them for a press pass for Whitby's first game.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: They didn't even return my email. I'm like, oh, baby,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I think I'm on the list.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: What'd you do? What did you say about them?
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Probably just said something honest about the Knicks.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, what I was happy about is that
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: they didn't talk about the double dribble with Halliburton in
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that game where they end up losing because it was
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: It was a faux pas, but I remember a time
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: where they would have complained about that and complained about
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: it and forgot that they had a game two to
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: play as well. So, you know, but that next thing, unfortunately,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: I would love to know what is it exactly that
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: you want to accomplish? Because too many times in today's game,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: unless you're with an established organization like San Antonio, Golden State,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Miami Heat, OKC. Too many times these players go to
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: the owner. You know, there's a time where a player
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: will go to the owner and the first thing the
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: owner would say is, have you spoken to coach? They're
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: allowed to backdoor the coach and now they're running things.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I get it. It's a player's league. But you know what?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Just because you have a smart student in the classroom,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: he still needs a teacher. He still needs a professor.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: And these young boys need the guidance. It's not AAU
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: and you're going to jump to another team because the
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: coach took you out. He took you out because you
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: weren't playing defense or he took you out because you
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: didn't run the play.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You still need accountability in this.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: And it's getting lost because people want to be buddy
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: up with the owners.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: And some of the owners are falling for it.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Bruce Bowen, my man, always a pleasure. And I apologize
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: for waiting so long, brother. That's on me, man.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: But, hey, I did tell you. You got a job, baby.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: And I get it. If you were just chilling, man,
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: I might have a problem.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: No, man. Like I said, I know you a busy
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: man down there. Are you doing your coaching? You doing
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: your daddying? You know what I'm saying? You got things
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: to do, brother. That's on me.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, let's make sure it doesn't go so long
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: next time.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, you got it, brother. I appreciate it. And
• 59:05
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• 59:07
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• 59:09
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• 59:14
  Speaker 1: You do that. You let me know when you're in
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: New York. You know what I'm saying? You make it
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: up here. I got you. I even know the spot.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Big time.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, my brother.
• 59:25
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