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The Lindsay Clancy Timeline Inconsistencies, Alex Earle's Stepmom, and Wimbledon's Influencer Problem · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: we have timelines. We have, you know, supposedly his Reddits.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get into all of that. And it's
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  Speaker 2: Burning Man came and went. And I just need to
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  Speaker 2: talk a little bit about it because it's been going on,
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  Speaker 2: I think, like 40 years. And I've always been very
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  Speaker 2: curious about it. And so I really went on some deep,
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  Speaker 2: deep dives to find out what it is, what makes
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  Speaker 2: it so special, why people keep going back. Turns out
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  Speaker 2: that Gen Z is like, fuck this. I mean, Gen
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  Speaker 2: Z doesn't even want to deal, they don't even want
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  Speaker 2: to fuck with Airbnbs because they're like, we don't want
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  Speaker 2: to clean up. We'd just rather go to a hotel.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want to clean up and follow the rules. Well,
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  Speaker 2: if you look into Burning Man, it is so much
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  Speaker 2: personal responsibility about cleaning up after yourself. I'm still fascinated. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: how do they even do it? These huge art installations
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  Speaker 2: and it's like Disneyland electrical parade everywhere. And I am like,
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  Speaker 2: who puts the art thing together and tests it out
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  Speaker 2: at home and then they put in a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: cars and they drive and then they set up that
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  Speaker 2: along with... all your own water, okay? So you have
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  Speaker 2: to bring all your own water and you can't leave
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  Speaker 2: a droplet. Like there's no way to like, once you
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  Speaker 2: take a shower, they want you to take your old
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  Speaker 2: dirty shower water back with you. And then people go
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  Speaker 2: around the sand and they pick up every single piece
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  Speaker 2: of trash. And this year the people are like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? The vibes were off. you know, their vibes
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  Speaker 2: were off. People were filming. People are taking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there was a big art installation that said, fuck Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 2: And the next to it was Starlink and how to
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  Speaker 2: get on the wifi. I thought that was kind of ironic.
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  Speaker 2: So the whole point is you're not supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: on your phone, but people were, and they were filming it.
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  Speaker 2: And so then I asked, I asked someone very close
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  Speaker 2: to me who went for three years, and this was
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  Speaker 2: the first year she said, hey, She had to sit
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  Speaker 2: down her friends and her husband and go, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: doing it anymore. Now, she's a very capable young woman.
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  Speaker 2: There's a certain type of friend that would do this.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like that firstborn female, firstborn granddaughter. They're maybe Italian.
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  Speaker 2: They know how to organize shit because it takes so
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  Speaker 2: much planning. And that's why they keep going. It's really hard,
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  Speaker 2: but it's amazing. You absolutely have to take drugs. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how you would stay up to be on
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  Speaker 2: noodle duty from four to 6 a.m. because that's your contribution.
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  Speaker 2: Like everybody has to contribute something. I had a really
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  Speaker 2: wealthy friend that went with her husband and she had
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  Speaker 2: the 18 billion outfits and the wigs and all that.
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  Speaker 2: And she was like, it was so hard, it was
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  Speaker 2: so hard. I'm like, why was it so hard? And
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  Speaker 2: she's like, oh, I had to be a maid. Like
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  Speaker 2: part of her thing, and this is like a very
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  Speaker 2: wealthy woman that has multiple homes. But in order to go,
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  Speaker 2: you have to like, So then I said, well, aren't
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  Speaker 2: there just some rich people that don't have to do
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  Speaker 2: shit and don't have to clean up after themselves? Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's like the $ 100, 000 people. They spent about $ 100, 000. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, and aren't there like some yacht girl type
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  Speaker 2: sluts that can go with the $ 100, 000 people and not
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  Speaker 2: have to clean up and not worry about bringing their
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  Speaker 2: own water in an RV? And yes, I guess that
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  Speaker 2: exists too. And that's what's killing the vibe, people. It's
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  Speaker 2: just not as fun as it used to be in 1996.
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  Speaker 2: They said the average age of the burner, it's like
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  Speaker 2: how we have Juicy Scoopers, you're like a burner, so
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  Speaker 2: is 38. But in some of the photos that I had,
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  Speaker 2: I zoomed in, and I found this one guy, you
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  Speaker 2: could tell. He's hot, he has a good body, he's
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  Speaker 2: got gray hair, but he's fit. He's on a peptide tour,
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  Speaker 2: he goes to Burning Man every year. He could be rich,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And then there's an orgy dome, which
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  Speaker 2: is pretty self-explanatory.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: But then the weather gets bad, and they have to
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  Speaker 2: wear those goggles. And Bethany Frankel went, and her stuff,
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  Speaker 2: people were making fun of it. Somewhere, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where I saw it, this gay guy goes, I can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to see all the gays at Halloween being Bethany
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  Speaker 2: Frankel at Burning Man. And she's like standing on an
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  Speaker 2: RV in a dust storm with her weird like Mad
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  Speaker 2: Max goggles. And, you know, it was kind of interesting
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  Speaker 2: that she went and she was smart. She's like, people
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  Speaker 2: will follow this because nobody's really understood it. Even though
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  Speaker 2: there's been documentaries on it and everything. The fact that
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  Speaker 2: I have known people that have gone, I've heard about
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  Speaker 2: this for the last 30 years and never really understood
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  Speaker 2: it until this year because I started to ask the
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  Speaker 2: right questions. I just, yeah, like they drive out to
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  Speaker 2: this weird desert and then they have their own city
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  Speaker 2: and they ride these bikes. But then if it gets muddy,
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  Speaker 2: you can't ride the bikes anymore. And then the mud
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  Speaker 2: and if you have contact lenses, like the dust gets
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  Speaker 2: into your contact lens and then you just like have
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  Speaker 2: to huddle down. And definitely the average person probably spends
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  Speaker 2: like $ 8, 000 on on everything, there is a ticket, there's
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  Speaker 2: all this stuff. But then, you know, some people fall
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  Speaker 2: in love, some people come back and they're like super
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  Speaker 2: inspired and they take the Burning Man energy into, you know,
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  Speaker 2: finishing their book or focusing and all of that. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why they have to go every year to just
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  Speaker 2: like renew the energy and like go to like say
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  Speaker 2: goodbye to their loved ones and go to some weird temple.
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  Speaker 2: Then they actually burn the man. Now, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people go, I'm leaving. You know, it's like at a
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  Speaker 2: concert where you're like, you know what? Let's go. Let's
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  Speaker 2: start walking to the car. Let's get a head start.
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  Speaker 2: But wait, you know, the band hasn't played like their
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  Speaker 2: biggest hit yet. And you're just like, I don't care. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be stuck on the 405. Let's
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  Speaker 2: get the fuck out. So those people just those people
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  Speaker 2: leave and they're probably just so happy. They're like, we
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  Speaker 2: can watch. And then when they show the burning thing,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, this looks really dangerous. Like the wind is swirling.
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  Speaker 2: This big thing is burning. Like I'm like, how are
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  Speaker 2: they're not like horrific fires? And how long would it
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  Speaker 2: take a fire truck to get there? Two people were
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  Speaker 2: found dead. I don't know how, what the story is
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  Speaker 2: behind them. Last year someone was found dead. And then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so I guess that's just kind of like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's not that bad when you think like 40,000
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  Speaker 2: people went. And that's it. And the closest I came
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  Speaker 2: to it was my spring break of junior year. We
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  Speaker 2: went with some ATOs from USC. We went to Lake Mead.
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  Speaker 2: And nothing depresses me more than going on what I
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  Speaker 2: think is going to be a warm vacation. And it's
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  Speaker 2: like gloomy for a week. And it was gloomy. And
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  Speaker 2: we were on some weird houseboat with these guys. I
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  Speaker 2: don't remember hooking up with anybody, but it was my
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  Speaker 2: closest to Burning Man because that was like the first
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  Speaker 2: time I tried mushrooms and I've only had it twice
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  Speaker 2: since then. I tried mushrooms and there was some sand.
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  Speaker 2: And I just kind of remember feeling the mushrooms walking
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  Speaker 2: through the sand. And then there was this other houseboat
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  Speaker 2: that got stuck in like a sandbar. And these kids
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  Speaker 2: were from St.
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  Speaker 4: Mary's.
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  Speaker 2: And so we took them on our boat. So that
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  Speaker 2: was like my burning man. We're like, come on our camp.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know you. We're never going to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: But we can't. They were like stuck there. And this
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  Speaker 2: was like before cell phones and stuff. And it was
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  Speaker 2: like shitty weather. Like we never like jumped in the
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  Speaker 2: lake or like, you know, was hot and sexy like
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  Speaker 2: a Havasu. And so I feel like I've experienced Burning
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  Speaker 2: Man enough and it's definitely, you know, not for me. Camping, packing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even like to pack a bag for a
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  Speaker 2: two-day beach trip, which we did. We went to a
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  Speaker 2: beach house this weekend with the family and that was
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  Speaker 2: like very, very nice. But even that was like overwhelming
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  Speaker 2: for me to like figure out which bikinis to bring.
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  Speaker 2: So not for me, but it's not going away, but
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  Speaker 2: apparently the vibes have changed. Here's a photo of this.
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  Speaker 2: This is what Burning Man looks at 6 a.m. Again,
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  Speaker 2: just like a lot of older guys. I could see
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  Speaker 2: why Gen Z is like, no, thank you. No, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just join OnlyFans and be a yacht girl. See you later.
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  Speaker 2: Not for me. Um, also Wimbledon, according to the Daily
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  Speaker 2: Mail UK is banning influencer credentials after the U S
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: open turned into a zoo. So it was in New York. Um, Matt, um,
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  Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey was there.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right. All right. They showed him a lot. We
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  Speaker 2: watched a lot of tennis this weekend cause I was
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  Speaker 2: with my sister and nephew who plays tennis. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: I saw a lot of stars there in New York
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  Speaker 2: and apparently one of the tennis players had to tell
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  Speaker 2: the referee, like, I'm smelling weed so badly right now
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  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to like win this fricking thing. Can
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  Speaker 2: you tell the people to stop smoking weed behind me?
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  Speaker 2: They're like popping champagne, they're taking photos, there's ring lights,
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  Speaker 2: they're talking, they're talking on their phone. They don't even
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  Speaker 2: know what tennis is. And so again, the vibes are off.
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  Speaker 2: They had a choice to either go to Burning Man
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  Speaker 2: or the tennis, and they really didn't belong in either one.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the world we created. We can't have anything
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  Speaker 2: nice anymore, people. But here I am. I remembered when
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  Speaker 2: I met a very famous tennis player, Federer. And here
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  Speaker 2: I am. And so I posted it. It was from 2015.
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  Speaker 2: But I just was like, what a great weekend I had.
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  Speaker 2: enjoying the tennis. And a lot of people were like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, I'm so jealous. It was Moet Chandon.
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  Speaker 2: And it was something that they invited to me at
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  Speaker 2: the last minute because somebody probably flaked out. But he
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: was a delight and I got to meet him. Okay,
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: very excited. You know how I'm obsessed with Elizabeth Holmes,
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  Speaker 2: One Drop. If you knew that one drop of blood
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  Speaker 2: could keep your loved ones alive forever, wouldn't you do it?
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited about this opportunity to save the world.
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  Speaker 2: And I am being completely transparent and truthful with you
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  Speaker 2: right now. We were obsessed with this story of Theranos,
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  Speaker 2: which was her fake made-up company where you take one
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  Speaker 2: drop of blood and then you could go to a
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  Speaker 2: CVS and they would tell you if you had any
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  Speaker 2: diseases or if you had cancer or whatever just from
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  Speaker 2: one drop of blood. Anyway, the whole thing was BS
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  Speaker 2: and she defrauded all of her investors. And she is
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: not set to come out of prison, I think, till
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  Speaker 2: like 2030 or something like that. She was in the
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  Speaker 2: prison in Texas with Jen Shah. They became asshole buddies,
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  Speaker 2: as my dad would refer to people being close. And
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: which I know probably means another thing now that I
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: think about my dad saying asshole buddies. What does that
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  Speaker 2: really mean? Anyway, Nathan Felders. He did a documentary with her.
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  Speaker 2: And the trailer came out on social media this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: And she allowed him to film her being herself. She
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  Speaker 2: has two children, I believe two, with her husband, who
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  Speaker 2: also comes from some hotel air or something. He visits
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: her with those kids all the time. I think she's
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: so weird. I'm like, I cannot believe she like scored
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  Speaker 2: this rich guy, but whatever. And the rich parents were like, great, great.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just be raising the kids like, you know, Mary
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  Speaker 2: Kay Letourneau's in-laws had to do while she's in prison
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: for like five to ten years. Anyway, it is like shocking.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: And I almost thought it was like a parody because
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  Speaker 2: she just didn't really look like– how we knew her
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: when she was wearing the turtlenecks all the time and
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: her hair was like very blonde. Now it's just kind of,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: she's kind of natural and she's looking at him and
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: she's like, I'm being completely truthful with you. I'm going
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: to tell you everything. I would never deceive you. And
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I hope you realize that. Like it is so creepy
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: and everybody just cannot wait. And so that is coming out.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that this happened right before she went
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  Speaker 2: to prison. Does she even know this is coming out?
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  Speaker 2: Was she as shocked? Is she excited? Is it going
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  Speaker 2: to make her look worse or better? I don't know.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Also this weekend was the premiere where you get to
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: see all the episodes of Earl Meets World. Now this
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: is Alex Earl. And yes, I've spoken about her and
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: many of you don't know still who she is and
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: don't care But she's pretty much here to stay. And
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I think it was a pretty interesting move. She was
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: a young, beautiful girl, from Miami that started doing TikToks.
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  Speaker 2: And after doing them for like a year and a half,
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  Speaker 2: it just really popped off. And it's because she was
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  Speaker 2: very vulnerable about her life. And she was just that
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  Speaker 2: sorority girl that, you know, was hung over the next morning,
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  Speaker 2: showing you her outfit, get ready with me. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to get wasted. We're going to pregame. Oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: I like this guy. But she was also like very
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  Speaker 2: attractive and skinny and And so she's been really honest
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  Speaker 2: throughout her journey of becoming an influencer. And then she
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  Speaker 2: really exploded with, you know, commercials and being like a
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: regular name and Netflix came a calling and was like,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: would you like to have a reality show? And I
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: actually think it was a really smart move because when
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you look at like a Charli D'Amelio and Addison Rae, well,
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  Speaker 2: Addison is doing music, but with Charli D'Amelio, she had
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  Speaker 2: a family and they did a reality show. But I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that didn't really work. Maybe it was the timing.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was just Charlie is just really more of
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a cute dancer and the personality isn't really there. Maybe
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: she made it when she was too young. She still
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: has 150 million followers, Charlie. I went to go look
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  Speaker 2: at her and she's still doing those same videos where
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: she puts the phone on a stand and then shakes
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  Speaker 2: her ass. And she's got a nice big fat ass.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Like she's very hot and she's a little freckles on
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  Speaker 2: her face. And that's pretty much all she does. But
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  Speaker 2: when you look that she has 154 million followers and
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  Speaker 2: she's only getting like a couple hundred thousand views, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you're not that hot. Anyway, so I think it's
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  Speaker 2: good because I don't think you can just remain just
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: an influencer forever. And this kind of puts her, again,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: even more in the mainstream. So she has a very
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: interesting life in that she comes from money. Like her
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: family has a big, rich, fabulous, huge acre home in
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: New Jersey with a bunch of animals. It's beautifully done.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: The dad is rich. He's like a freeway contractor, much
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: like David Bedore, Shannon's husband, something like that. He makes
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: good money and he's pretty hot. And when her parents
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: were married, she has one sister, when they were like
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: 10 or 12 or something, he got caught with this
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: woman named Ashley. And because Ashley was previously famous for
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: being a call girl, sex worker, hooker light, whatever you
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: want to call it, with the governor of New York
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: at the time. they were kind of following her and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: still knew who she was. Now, I don't know if
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: he was a client. I don't know if they met.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: But then it was found out the mother, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: filed for divorce. Her mother's named Alicia. They get divorced.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But Ashley and he get married and they go on
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to have three kids. So the cast is Alex, her sister, Ashton.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of similar names, so it's hard. Her mother, Alicia...
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: The mother's hot model boyfriend. I don't know what he
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: does for a living. Her dad, TJ, who is her
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: dadager instead of a momager, who is the freeway contractor
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: but knows what's up in business. He's very likable. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the stepmother, Ashley, former call girl, but she's been with
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the dad for 17 years and she's produced three half
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: siblings to Alex. So it's like, It's really kind of
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: interesting because she has the history of being the other woman,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: but she was much younger than him when they got together.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And she's been like a really great stepmother. And she's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: also given him three kids. So it's not like she
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: just came last week. So I think there's something very
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: interesting in the stepmom of it all of like how
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: many years are you expected to– you know, not be
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: included or be disrespected or stay out of the family
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: photo or whatever it is. So that is all interesting.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: They're all very natural. They're living their life. They go
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to the one kids like equestrian thing. There's two little
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: girls and one is like you know, 13 and wearing
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: like a full face of makeup and is also trying
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to be an influencer. Then the other one is kind
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: of like the Khloe Kardashian of it, kind of sassy,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: only 11. She's the most logical one. She, great. And
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: then there's like a little boy who's like quirky and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: cute and into dinosaurs. So that's the story. And I
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: have to say, my sister and I binged it. We
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: kind of liked it. It kind of like brought us
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: back to those days of partying. She's very honest. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: in it, she breaks, she's just broken up. With her
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: boyfriend named Braxton. And she's crying talking about him so much.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: And she even gets drunk, which I, one of my
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: first jokes and sketches was drunk dialing. Friends don't let
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: friends dial drunk. In front of, like, friends don't let
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: friends drive drunk. It's dial drunk. So she does that,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: but it's texting. And she texts him at 4 a.m.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: And she's like, cool, let me do this. And I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: just want to say, God, I wish I had the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: knowledge that I have now at the Alex Earle age
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of 25. Because watching this show, I don't even think
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Braxton is going to watch this show. I really don't.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: He's a professional football player. He's a babe. He is like, yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I will talk to you, but I don't want it
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to be on camera. And literally, she's filming on camera.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: So I always thought it was cute that he didn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: seem to mind and he would like do the get
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: readies with me and they look so gorgeous going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: like a friend's wedding and all that. And he was
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: all down to be with her forever and he seemed
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: very accommodating. But she felt with her career exploding, she
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: just needed to be selfish and break up with him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So then the whole time she's regretting it and talking
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: about him and everything. And I'm like, you know what?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I believe that guys just don't think about us the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: way we think about them. And I think I know
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that after being married to a guy for a really
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: long time and raising sons. And listen, I just think
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: that when you're out of sight, you're out of mind.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't think he's pining about her. I think
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: he's got other girlfriends that are like really into him.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the type of thing where if
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: a guy sells a car, he's not like, I want
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to go visit that car at its new home every
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: three months just to see how it's doing. No. So sure,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: if you come around again and the time's right, he
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: might be down. But he is not thinking and pining
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: about you. But entertainment-wise and thinking most of the audience
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: is young girls, it's pretty juicy, pretty interesting. But yeah, like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: you know, I think about my old boyfriend sometimes and
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I wonder if, no, I don't think
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: my old boyfriend's even read my book and it was
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: about them. I don't think they did. I don't think they,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think my husband read my book. I don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: think they care. So I don't think that he's watching
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: eight episodes of you, Alex Earl, but you were very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: the other juicy part is the Alex Cooper of it. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so Alex Cooper has Call Her Daddy. big show, she
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: reaches out to Alex Earle when Alex Earle is exploding.
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  Speaker 2: But it takes a while before she reaches out to her.
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  Speaker 2: And then she has her come on her show. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: then they have this episode where she asks her all
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and they flashback to it. And Alex Cooper... asks Alex
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Earl all these intimate questions. Are you an anal virgin?
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: If you weren't with your boyfriend, what other professional football
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: player would you want to be with? She asks about
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: her stepmother Ashley's infamous hooker light past. And they revealed
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: in the They all didn't talk. She didn't talk to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: her family for three months because it put them all
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: in such a bad place. And it really put the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: stepmother in a place of like actually like she kind
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: of alludes that she like wanted to end it all,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. So what we do
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: find out is that Alex Earle asked Alex Cooper to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: cut that stuff out before airing it. And Alex Cooper didn't.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really important thing to know. when
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: evaluating the character of these two women. Because I've been
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: doing this for 11 years. You're like, Heather, we know. Whatever,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: it's been 11 years. And anytime someone has asked me
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: to cut something out, I have. And let me tell you,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: there's been times where someone's telling me something and I'm
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: literally getting wet thinking about the clip and how juicy
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: it is and how much press I'm going to get it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And I cannot believe they're telling me this. And I
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: say goodbye and I'm like jumping up and down. And
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: seven hours later... I get the panic text. And I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: honor it. They say, could we please cut that out?
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. And a lot of people don't do that. They
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: are like too bad. And they don't have the ethics
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: that I have. So I thought that was pretty Interesting
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: because it's not like Alex Cooper needed to have a
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: killer episode that week or she was going to lose
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: her contract. Like, yeah, sometimes the episode is shorter than
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you wanted because someone wanted something cut out or it
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't as juicy as you thought when they were leaving
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the building. That's life. Like that's being respectful. So anyway,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: that was interesting. Then she– Alex Cooper starts her podcast
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: network and she has Alex Earl do it. And this
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: is when we finally find out what happened because I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: have talked about what I thought happened between them on
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: this show quite a bit. And the dad, who's the dadager, TJ,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: like I said, who's very likable as a dad. He
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: goes to therapy. He seems like he's a good husband.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: He seems like he's a really good ex-husband, even though
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: at one time he cheated on his wife. He seems
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: like he really kind of keeps this family and this
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: business together. Anyway, he basically says, hey, this is– he
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: kind of explains it with Alex Earle that they got
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: this podcast and they didn't know what to expect. But allegedly,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Alex Cooper's people said, here's a camera and go record yourself.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Film it all yourself. Boom. they, no help, no producer help,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: no booking help. I mean, it sounded like she was
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: doing all herself. And then they would split the profit
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: from the ads and then they would take out production costs.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: And he was like, what production costs? Like we were
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: filming it ourselves. We didn't have a crew here. We
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: didn't have, and she was taking the camera around where
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: she was traveling Alex Earl to film herself doing this podcast. Now,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I also think She must have agreed to that. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: they probably thought, well, since you do all of your
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: own TikToks, you could do this while you travel. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: people will like to see all these different places you're at.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I think she just didn't, and this is what I've
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: said from the beginning, I don't think Alex Earle realized
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: how much work it was, how you have to share
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: so much about your life or you run out of
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: things to talk about. And maybe you don't want to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: share that much about your love life and your personal life.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: There was also some talk that I heard somewhere that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Alex Cooper was like, It'd be so much better if
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: you're single and dating because that provides so much content
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to tell stories. As you remember, Alex Cooper with the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: original Call Her Daddy was like a lot of like
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Alex Cooper would be like, hey, daddy gang, I just
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: went deep on the throne, like talking about giving blowjobs
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and everything all the time. And then she switched to
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: like interviewing Kamala Harris and doing other things like that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So I think she almost wanted Alex Earl to kind
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: of take over that arm of the podcast network where
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: it's like, you still want that fun 20 something drunk sex,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: funny talk. You can go to Alex Earl for that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And if you want Oprah, you can come to me,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Alex Cooper. So I think she realized and the dad
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: realized that This is too much work and too much
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: stress for the little bit of money that we're making
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: when we can make so much money just dancing around
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: in a bikini doing a major brand. And then I
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: also think Alex Cooper was like, yeah, your numbers aren't
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: as good as we thought. This is what you have
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to work harder at. You need to get more celebrities on.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You need to call your own personal friends. You need
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: to book it. And they're like, well, my God. My
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: other friend is doing a podcast and he is a
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: producer and he walks into a studio that's beautifully done
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and shot and filmed and everything. And they book him
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: guests and they write down the card so he has
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: questions to ask. Why am I not getting that? And
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I think because Alex Cooper came from a place where
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: she kind of self-did it all herself, she expected that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: her talent could also do that. And so– Then, so
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: what happened was Alex Cooper in the show, you see this,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that the course of the timeline, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: then she just announced like, you know, Alex Unwell, Alex
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Cooper's network Unwell has dropped Alex Earl's podcast. So it
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: sort of looked like Alex Earl was like dropped or
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: fired from lack of performance, but it was more like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: you know, a mutual agreement of not to work together anymore.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: But so then they have it out and kind of
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: have it out in that Alex Cooper calls Alex Earl
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: out and is like, I don't like that you're liking things.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: She does this video and she's like, hey. Enough with
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: liking things that are, you know, not nice about me.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: There's no NDA, girl. Say what you need to say.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Stop teasing it. Stop manipulating it. And then I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: what was interesting is Alex Earle, knowing that she's filming
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: this show, knowing that this could be really great content,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: having probably a great director and producer going, wait a minute,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: don't give your scoop on your– Instagram or TikTok, save
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it for the TV show. Because I really was watching
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: every single episode going, what are we going to really
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: find out happened? And so I do. I think Alex
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Cooper kind of wanted to utilize Alex Earle. When it
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: didn't seem to be utilizing her anymore to cut her
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: off the way you would with business, I think she
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: could be a little jealous that Alex Earle is so well-liked.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And even though Alex Cooper is well-liked and so wealthy
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and successful, it's like Alex Earle is just so likable.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: And she's done charity work and she started charities. Now
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Alex Cooper is like, I'm going to pay for people's
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: baby registries because she's about to give birth. I guess
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: they were all at the same agency. And just a
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, it was announced that Alex Cooper
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: left that agency to go to another top agency. I
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: think she went over to William Morris. And so that's
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: interesting that she did it right before the show aired.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: So there's probably some grievances about feeling like the agency
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't protecting Alex Cooper and more protecting Alex Earl. So
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that was, It was juicy. And, you know, I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: her sister is kind of dull, Ashton, but I think
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the relationship is real. And I think they really like
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: each other. And it'll be interesting to see what happens
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: next season. And if she starts to hold back on
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: her own social media and not sharing as much as
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: she should to save it for her TV show. Will
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: they start going to more events and things, living the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: high life, which is what happened with the Kardashians? The
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: first year was all of them at home throwing each
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: other around and spinning Kourtney on the ground and Khloe
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: picking up or throwing her in the pool. And, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: and then it was, you know, Khloe and Kim take
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Miami or whatever. And then they went and you saw
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: them doing all their brand deals and getting more famous
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and going doing Dance with the Stars and all that
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: other stuff. So she's already done Dance with the Stars.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: She's already done a lot. So that might be more
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: in the next season, I think, and maybe less of
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: like the little kids and all of that. But it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: interesting because of Ashley, the stepmom, who was the hooker light.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: What was interesting is like she was already kind of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: like famous and she said, hey, I was a waitress.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: And at a nice lounge and someone said, you can
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: make $ 1, 000 to go on dates with people. That's how
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: she presented it, which I think is pretty honest. Probably
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: some of the dates she didn't have to do much
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and some of them she didn't. She didn't mind and
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: she decided and whatever. And this was like, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago. And so she just says it and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: explains it, which I think is good at this point.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: But she loves doing it. TikTok and social media too.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of interesting too, how they come into
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: some arguments where Alex Earl is like, hey, Ashley's stepmom,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: could you not? This was one of the best ones.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: So during Super Bowl, the infamous Super Bowl with Bad Bunny,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Alex Earl was there dancing in the famous people. And
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: she got some shit. Like, why is blonde, blue-eyed Alex
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Earle dancing in the background of Bad Bunny? And she
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know. They asked me. Whatever. So
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: she just kind of like let that die down because
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: what can you do? And then like a couple weeks later, Ashley,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the stepmom, is like doing a dance with like writing
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: on it. And it's like, what you don't know is
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: we have such a diverse family that we have a
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Guatemalan niece. And Alex Earl's like, what? Like, I just
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: let this Super Bowl thing like die down. I don't need,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: this is just so wrong. And she's like, I understand
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: your intentions were good, stepmom Ashley, but like this only
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: just draws, I mean, stirs the pot, gets people to
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: dissect it. Like you really have to think about what
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: you post and what you comment on. And I think Ashley,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the mom is like, listen, girl, I was on the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: cover of the post before you were even knew what
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the post was. Like I was the it girl and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I remember she would go on like Howard Stern. She
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: was very unapologetic about it, which was kind of cool.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: So it's oftentimes what I said about Monica Lewinsky. with
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: President Clinton. I mean, years ago, I just was like, wow,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: talk about being ahead of your time. I mean, if
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: there was a girl that had an affair with Obama
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the way she did, who was an intern, that girl
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: would be a Kardashian today. That girl would have a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: whole career. So I feel like If the Ashley story
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: happened with the governor of New York, if that had
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: happened even like five, eight years ago, Ashley could have
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: been as big as Alex Earle today. And I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: that is what's also an interesting layer, along with them
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: all functioning as mother, stepmother, friends, getting, you know. But
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: it was interesting because there's this one time where they're
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: all sitting around with the original mom. And the stepmom
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: and the stepmother says to Alex and her sister, she goes,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you guys just need to get out there and date
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and just realize that all men cheat. I'm sorry, they
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: all do. And the mother is there. She's like, all
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: men cheat. They just do. And it was just so.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: funny.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't feel like those things were planned. I
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: feel like they have a lot of dinners and a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: lot of meals and you really see what their family
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: is like. So I think it's a big hit. I
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: found it to be fun to watch. Okay, now let's
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: just get into really quickly the latest with our girl,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Vicki Gunvalson. She celebrated her 64th birthday on season 20
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: of Real Housewives of O.C., And, you know, it's chugging along.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It's not real juicy. However, she's like, well, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Mike and.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I, I don't know.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to get married or not.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: What does that matter? What does it matter? Well, I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: never saw a ring. He never asked me to, if
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: we get married, we'll just get married. We'll just, we'll
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: just do that. We'll just, we'll decide together. We own
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a home together. Sometimes he's not here, but he doesn't,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: he's not going to like this. He's not going to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: like that we're all talking about this. And so then,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you know, Tamara's like, oh, okay. So now you don't
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: want to share your relationship. which is part of the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: job where they always get mad when someone's not sharing
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: their relationship. But Vicki's like, no, I did this before.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I did it with Don. I did it with, you know, Brooks.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I did it with the guy who wanted to be
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: the governor of California. I went and it worked out. And, um,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I don't blame her because she's like, this is it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: She's like, I got my orange back. I'm doing back
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to back shows and I'm doing the bare fucking minimum.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: And but still so entertaining because we were understanding why.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't want to piss off. the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: man that might be by my side for the rest
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: of my life because they want it to be part
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: of the TV. And I don't want to share that.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I say, I tell Mike all the time, I say,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: take your pants off, take your pants off. And he's like, oh,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: he's not going to like that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: He's not going to like it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And then Shannon is there and she has a sneezing attack.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah. And Emily's just like, well, what's going on?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: What's happening? I don't even know. It's just not Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So then let's move over to, oh, Tamara.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: So Tamara, it says that she almost got divorced from
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Eddie on a trip back from Big Bear. Well, it
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: is a windy road. I don't know what the fuck
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: they were fighting about, but it might not help when
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: you're coming back from Big Bear. I don't know why
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you'd leave Newport for Big Bear, but whatever. And she's like,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that was six months ago. And Eddie's like, why don't
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: we file for divorce? So I'm going to do, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: they do a whole nother sexy night. Remember the infamous
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: bathtub night where she was like, And they go to
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Laguna Sand and Sea Hotel and she wears like, her
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: body's banging. She wears this lingerie outfit and shows it
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to him while the guy's just like got the camera
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: like sweating and the waiter's like, here's your coconut shrimp.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Like they're at the bar at the restaurant and she's
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: like opening up her thing and she's got like this
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: sexy outfit on. And then they have to go to
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the hotel and get the crew in there and they
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: have to read sex games. and he's like slapping her
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: ass and she's barking on the ground. And then they're like, okay,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: let's take our clothes off now. Like, are we done?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Is the shoot over with? Can we get the mic off?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: And that's what it feels like. Everybody's just literally working
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: for the DMV of Real Housewives and they are doing
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: the bare minimum. So then we pop over to Ultimate
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Girls Trip and Everyone is so mean to Lisa Barlow,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: especially Heather Gay, who supposedly has a boyfriend now. So
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: good for her. But the best part is Vicky, they
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: have to wear costumes. And Lisa Barlow and Kyle just
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: wore Western hats. Like they just packed some black jeans
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: and a Western black hat and were like done. But
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: some of these women that were invited, especially from Atlanta,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: like Marlo and stuff, I mean, they must have spent
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars on these outfits. It's absolutely insane. And
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Vicky decided her alter ego was Jackie O. And she
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: put on this black wig and kind of like a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: wrinkly dress. And she was like, during the party, she's like,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go. I just don't feel like anyone
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: even notices me. I feel invisible. I don't like this wig.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And the wig really ruined it. And as I've told
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you guys, one of my biggest regrets was wearing that
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: black page boy wig to Kris Jenner's 60th birthday for
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a roaring 20s party. And really be careful what you decide.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you do. For a costume party, Halloween is around the corner.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: It can ruin your time. If it's uncomfortable, if you
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: don't feel cute and she didn't look cute. And let's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: just remember when Lydia had to, they all had to
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: go and drag as men and Lydia was Charlie Chaplin.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: And I just, I wake up in the middle of
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: the night and I think about Lydia and this outfit
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: and her face and that she did a little stash
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and whoever did her makeup, whoever talked her into this
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It's one of the worst Real Housewives moments. So I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: think Vicky was feeling like that in the dark wig.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: And it's a big regret. All right, you guys. Now
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: let's get into the latest with Lindsay Clancy and what
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: really went down with Patrick. This is shocking stuff. All right,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: now we just have to talk about the latest with
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the Lindsay Clancy case, as I promised. And I have
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: with me someone who I really think has really spent
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: hours and hours doing the homework and explaining why so
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: many people have questions about what was presented in the case,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the people versus Lindsay Clancy case. And welcome. This is
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: known as Maddie Addy on TikTok, but your name is
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Matthew Addison. And you have a really interesting life. You're
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: a product designer of a great skincare, which we'll get into.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And you've written a book about when you were an
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: assistant to the diva of all divas, which we will
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: get into, a true story. But I came across your stuff.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: You have a huge amount of followers, 667,000 followers. Because
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I was very impressed how you were walking. You became
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: obsessed with the case. When was the first time you
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: were watching it and you were like, wait a minute,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: what was the first thing that made you say, I'm
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: watching this case and this does not make sense based
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: on the testimony that's been given?
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: I actually was not going to watch the case just
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: because from what I had heard about it, It was
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: very clear that she had done it and who cares
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: past that? She had done it, go to jail, whatever.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I kept seeing all of these inconsistencies presented on TikTok
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: that grabbed my attention. And I was like, wait a second,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: what is going on here? I guess it was probably
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: the day of Patrick's testimony that I started to lock in.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: You know, now Patrick's people are, you know, they're saying because, well,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: just to reiterate for those, it was came out as
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: a mistrial. So we now know that it was 10
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to 1, I guess.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Because it's 11. It's 11 total.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: No, 11 to 1.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: 11 to 1. Sorry, 11 to 1. Saying, innocent by
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: reason of insanity. And then one holdout said no. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: he is a man, which is interesting because a lot
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: of this story seems to be somewhat interesting. gender like
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: people that don't really know what's going on was like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: how are these women supporting this woman who admitted to
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: ending three of her children's lives in a postpartum depression
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and like, what is wrong with society today? I understand
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: when you don't follow a case and we were told
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: from the moment it happened, I remember when it happened,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: oh my God, this is horrible. This woman did this,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: she admitted it and then tried to end her life
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and is now wheelchair bound. And now here's the case.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: And so first it starts with, you know, well, is
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: she guilty? Did she really plan it? Did she really
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: know what she was doing or she had a postpartum psychosis?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: So that was the first thing. And then this started
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to go of like, wait a minute, the going to
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the restaurant, doing the errands that Patrick did, leaving this timeline,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the Apple watch. And when people weren't following it as
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: much as I, and they're like, all right, just explain
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: to me like what happened. I will say, It's not
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: like three things. It's like 74 different things. And there's
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: even more that's come out.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: That he admitted, the one person that held out, that
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: he did have reasonable doubt whether she was guilty or not,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't willing to say not guilty by reason
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: of insanity.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: He just wasn't.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And that's what really pissed off Reddington, her attorney, because
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: he was like, well, then he's not following... the rules
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: and the judge was like, there's nothing I can do.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: It's a hung jury. Um, he's also saying maybe Trump
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: will pardon her, which is very bizarre because it's not
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: a federal crime. So, you know, that was strange. Um,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: and when asked about, uh, Patrick, he said, um, I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: think it's just been horrible what he's been going through.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: But he didn't say, this is a ridiculous, anybody that's
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: assuming that he had anything to do with it other
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: than finding her on the ground is, you know, insane people.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: And there were just thousands of insane people that spent
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: hours watching this that are questioning it. He just said
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: what he's been through is horrible, which is true. Right.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Whatever that might be.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: So I will say, going back to what you were
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: talking about with the 11 to 1 thing, end up
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: being a man. And obviously, I feel like everybody already
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: assumed that it was a man. But what really stood
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: out about that to me is that he wasn't looking
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: at the evidence in the same way that the rest
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: of the people were. And that was something that really
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: bothered the three female jurors who were in there. They
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: were like, he was not taking his time to look
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: at the evidence. So that really stood out to me.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: And Everything is moving and changing so fast with the
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: case that even this morning there was another interview on
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: CBS Mornings with Gayle King. Did you watch that one yet?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: No, tell me.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Okay. Because now my opinion has changed on everything in
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: the last 24 hours. So Kevin Reddington was on CBS
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: this morning and they were talking about the fact that
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: everyone keeps accusing Patrick and that Reddington has not been
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: very clear on his stance. Like he's been sort of
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: evasive about it. And today he was very clear about
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: the fact that he needs to be left alone. He's
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: been a good husband to Lindsay. So I feel, you know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: is this now just as simple as postpartum psychosis? There's
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: all of the.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Or is he just a tired attorney who just doesn't
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: want to even step his foot into this thing? And
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: also by even saying, hey... these things don't add up
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and let me look into it, it doesn't make him
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: look like a good attorney then because he took all
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: this evidence and assumed, you know, laid it out and
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: assumed it and all these things where people were like,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: oh no, he does suspect this and that's why he's
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: doing these weird little things and making him pick up
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: something with his left hand or his right hand and
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just think he's a tired attorney who
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: was hired to do a job and he very much
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: wanted it to end. And now he's in a position
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: where he'll look horrible if he doesn't do the next trial.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: You know, when there's been retrials in the past, mistrials,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: take Menendez Brothers, for example, it benefited the prosecution.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: And they knew what to do. And the prosecutor, the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: DA was like, you better not lose this one. We
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: already lost OJ. We already lost this. Like, so I don't,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: you know, without the idea of the third party, like
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: pointing like, Hey, maybe it, maybe it wasn't how it
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: was said. Then, um, you know, the prosecution might even
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: have a better advantage. I don't know.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: And I guess going back to the Trump of it
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: all as well, is that how is she going to
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: have a fair trial when the president of the United States,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: regardless of how you feel about him, is saying she's guilty?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like that- Oh, he has said that?
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said that in an interview. I think it
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: was the day of the mistrial, he said. She's guilty.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: It's a horrible situation. So obviously that influences a lot
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: of people in their decision as if there weren't already
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: enough people who were obviously following the trial as is.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: So I believe his intention is going to be to
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: have Trump connect with the DA because apparently he's a
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Republican too. That's what Reddington said. Just to basically say,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know. lay off back down don't run through
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: this all over again and yeah.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I think he just wants it to end I think
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: he's just like if there's any way it could just
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: end and she could just go to a psych ward
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: and because maybe he realizes there's still there still would
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: not be enough that would ever convict him the husband
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: of anything and of course he's saying like you know
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: threatening to you know sue anybody that's even saying this
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm not And we're not saying it. We don't know.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: We're just saying there is some very compelling arguments for
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: what didn't make time-wise sense. I've done different exercise plans.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: I've had the luxury of working with a trainer. I've
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: done Pilates classes and Pilates on my own. And I
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: have to tell you, I absolutely love ladder. And without ladder,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be sticking to a routine. I wouldn't be
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: doing the amount of reps. And I wouldn't be changing
• 54:40
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• 56:49
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  Speaker 2: what's the biggest thing that you think that most people
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: have a hard time accepting what I.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Think for me, the biggest thing in the timeline is
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: not being able to nail down exactly when he left
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: the house, which they were able to lock down exactly
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: when he returned because they showed through digital data on
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: the witness stand that he pulled in at 6.09 when
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: it was before 6.07. He got to CVS at 6.32,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: and it was only a three-minute drive from the home.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: So he only would have had to leave at 6.29,
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: and he says that he left at 6.15. And then
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: there was the email that he sent from the home
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: at 6.24, which he said he was sent from his
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Surface Pro, which Reddington got him to say, from your laptop.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: From the house.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: From the house. It's alluded to through the questioning and
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: him saying from your laptop. So people believe, I believe
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: that he did not leave the house until the soonest 625. So,
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: and he wouldn't have to have left until 629. So
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: ultimately the time that she was alone with the children
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: was somewhere between, or alone period actually was somewhere between
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: 14 and 24 minutes to do all of this.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: So it's- To end the life of the three kids.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Three children.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: And then to smash up her pills and drink it
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: in lemonade.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: To then slash her wrist the wrong way and slash
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: her throat with her non-dominant hand.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Which is all weird. And also being a nurse. And
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: then also, when was the email or when was the
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: search about the artery asked? In which they think that
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: why it supposedly appeared like she did it.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: But why would a registered nurse who worked for many
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: years not know where an artery was?
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: She was, yeah, Googling that and also it was spelled wrong.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: So it was something that maybe the average person wouldn't
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: know how to spell, but you would think that a
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: nurse would know how to spell.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly when, but I believe she was
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: not at the house. A lot of the things like,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: for example, when he clicked on suicide methods, she wasn't
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: at the home. She was at the doctor with baby
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: Callan at the time. So there are just a lot
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: of things that don't make sense to it lining up
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: to being her.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Right. So I want to just hear your opinion Your
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: hypothetical theory, like if this was a movie and you're
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: going to guess the end where the truth comes out.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: So we're not pointing fingers, anything. We're just saying we're
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: watching this and we're acting like we're writing a movie.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: What do you think is possibly could have happened, which
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: is not what was presented in the case?
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest again. Everything changed for me today.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you want to watch that or
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: not because I don't want you to be like behind
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: in presenting this. No, I think I did see it.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Well, he just basically was– but he's never said it
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: was him. That's what I'm saying. I don't think the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: defense attorney ever– I don't know that the defense attorney
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: ever really thought it. And I think he's kind of like, oh, shit.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I'd ever put all these clues together either. So by
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: acting like you kind of have to just stick with
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: your plan.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: So I guess, like I said, in my opinion, when
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: I was watching his interview today, it was the first
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: time that I ever saw Reddington sort of be like
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: very clear about the fact that it was postpartum psychosis
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: and to leave Patrick alone, basically. So for me, everything
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: up until now has very much so felt like He
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: was leaving room for interpretation. But then I was like,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: was he just doing his job? Isn't that what he's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: supposed to do? Prove reasonable doubt? Of course, during a
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: murder trial, he's not going to come forward and say
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: he did it or it's not him. But I guess
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: before this morning, I was very much so in the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: gray area. And I've allowed myself to go back and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: forth between the two of them. But with the amount
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: of evidence that seems to point towards it not being her,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: is it really just that the police did that bad
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: of a job that they could make it look like
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: it was a completely different person that had done this?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: But yeah, before today, I guess, as far as a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: theory would go, And I think the reason that this
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: has resonated with so many women across the world is
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: that so many women have experienced being in a relationship
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: with someone that this man appears to be like, narcissistic
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: or being gaslit or not being as helpful or her
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: taking all the responsibilities. And so they're noticing something that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: feels off or familiar, which I have recognized as well.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: And I guess... You know, even her saying at certain points,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: I saw myself doing it. People were like, did she
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: see herself doing it? Or she heard the voice. Was
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: he talking through those cameras that had been turned off? Like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: if she already was not well, how impressionable was she
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: during all of this happening? Before today, I would say
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: I was convinced that most of this happened before he
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: left the house. And that if there was something where
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: she saw herself doing it, was there another person in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: the house who looks like her? And his wife looks
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: just like her.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: And then there's a lot of evidence that puts– He
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: and his now wife, when they allegedly didn't know each other,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: they both happened to be in Costa Rica at the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: same time, which was very interesting how the internet found
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: that one. One girl was in Costa Rica, took a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: photo on her Facebook page and took a group photo
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: and tagged his now wife. And then they realized he
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: was in Costa Rica at the same time. He wasn't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: in the photo, but isn't that a coincidence? And then
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: looking for the apartment in New York and securing it
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: and putting the house in an LLC and having his
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: good friend who was also part of the DA's office
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: eventually buy it. Now, you know, other people don't care
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: that crimes happen in a house and if he could
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: get a good deal, he could get a good deal.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Like there are things that you can explain away that
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: are very circumstantial. And so is all of this circumstantial? Yeah,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I guess. But then you put it all together, the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: way she falls out of the thing, the fact that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: the window, the screen– If being said, he said it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: was cut, then it wasn't. It was not cut. The
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: way the blood was splattered, the bed was moved a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: certain way. Wouldn't she have not fallen that way? Why
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: was her hair wet? Why was her temperature as low
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: as that if she was there that it like, right?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: It would have not been that low or something. So
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: like did, you know, did it all happen differently? Before.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: He left.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: I do still have questions, of course, because, yeah, how
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: is her hair soaking wet? That was one of the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: first things that I thought as well. The way that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: her body was found in the position that she was
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: in does not seem to correlate with someone who jumped.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: But then someone could say maybe after she did that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: to her kids, she took a shower. And in the shower,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: she decided to end her life. And that's why her
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: hair is wet.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I go back to the timeline. Right. How is someone
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: doing all of this in 14 to 24 minutes? It doesn't... That...
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't add up to me.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Then the call– like where the calls were coming from
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: as far as when he was at the CVS store.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Asking– like it was that he called and he said
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: they don't have the kind of PDLX that you want.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: We'll just get the generic. But then he did find
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the– But again, that can happen. All of a sudden
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: you don't see you're not looking and then you'd go, oh, actually,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: they do have the one I want. OK, fine. But
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: that mattered because of the timeline, too, right?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of his testimony to me
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: just presented him as an unreliable narrator. And him talking
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: about that, that he went into the store, he called Lindsay.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: Lindsay does. So she doesn't answer his phone. So he's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: standing there during all this time. Then she calls him back.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: At CVS.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: At CVS. He says that they don't have it, but
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: then he comes home with it and you can see
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: it clearly through the CVS bags. That was one of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: the things earlier on that grabbed my attention as well
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: because it's like... you're repeating this story on the stand
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: that they don't have it, not that you found it.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: And the only reason anybody even knows this is because
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: of internet sleuths basically being like, wait a second, that's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: actually what he said he couldn't find and then he
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: came home with it. There's just a lot of holes
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: in his story.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And then what about the changing of clothes and the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: boots and the shoes?
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: So my thing is, Explain that.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Why people are like, why is he wearing a different
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: outfit at CVS on the surveillance camera and a different
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: outfit at the pickup food place when he was doing
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: those errands back to back?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: When I... initially got locked into the case and seeing
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: the inconsistencies, all I cared about was the timeline and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: seeing if it made sense and it didn't make sense
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: to me. And I presented it to everyone and that
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: video blew up.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: You said you got 20 million views.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: 20 million views from that. And obviously that's at the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: very beginning of the case. So as things come out
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: during the course of the case, the timeline changes or
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: they prove things to be wrong. After that video had
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: blown up, I My biggest request that I was getting
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: was to watch the trial from the beginning and break
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: it down into like little five minute increments for people
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: to be able to understand. And I made it a
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: point when I was doing that to only go off
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: of what was presented in court because I wanted that's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day what matters, not if
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: someone is doing a Bratz doll recreation of what they
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: believe happened. I was like, the facts are actually what matters.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: So I saw that and I'm aware of it, but
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: I just wouldn't let that into my mind. mind or
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: subscribe to it because I didn't want it to affect
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: what the actual.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Facts of the case were. Because in the trial, nor
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: the prosecutor nor the defense ever said, hey, wait, I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: just want to know why is your sweater different and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: why did you go from boots to tennis shoes?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Right. That never came up in court.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: So when we see him at– you went to CVS
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: first and then the restaurant or the restaurant then CVS?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: He went to CVS first.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: So he goes to CVS first to get the PDLX.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: He also buys the Skittles there. And in that one,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: he's wearing boots.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Then we go to the restaurant where he waits in
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: line to pick up his food. And in that one,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: he's wearing tennis shoes, right? And a different or not boots.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure about which shoes were in which clip,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: but I remember at 3B restaurant was when people saw
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: him unzip the entire coat, as opposed to in the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: first clip, he had the three-quarter.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: So, and then there were times where people were like,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: is it even the same person?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Could it be his best friend? And so that was
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: all very confusing, but because nobody said, hey, why'd your
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: sweater change? And he said, and he could say, oh,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: because when I was driving to CVS, I was eating
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Skittles and they were down my, no, he didn't eat
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: the Skittles because they were undone or were they undone?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: The Skittles?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know that we know what happened to the Skittles.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: But the Skittles were in the bag at the house.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not sure about that.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing the Skittles. Something about the Skittles. Maybe
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: it was just the Skittles were on the receipt, but
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: they weren't to be found. Okay. So then a crazy
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: one that people got very mad at me is someone said,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason– People that are like marathon runners, their
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: little trick is Skittles because there's like an enormous amount
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: of like energy and sugar, whatever, that will give you
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: just enough to like keep going. And he ran marathons.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: So did his new wife, Rachel, that he never allegedly
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: didn't meet. Even though there's a photo of them from
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: before he even married his wife. Is that photo legit?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: Is it AI? Is it whatever? I don't know. These
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: are just all the things people have found that make
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: you go, huh. But because nobody brought up that and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: he never said on the stand, no, I changed my
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: sweater because I spilled on myself. Or I had an
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: extra one in the car and I realized it was
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: stained and I changed the spotlight.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I wanted to change my boots to more comfortable shoes.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Then You're saying because that was never presented, you're like,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to really address that. But it's weird, right?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: It is weird. I tried my best to ignore a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: lot of those things. Some of the things I did
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: think were crazy that people were saying, yes, that he
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: had Skittles and ran home and then ran back.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: So like that theory would be that he got the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Skittles at CVS, ran with the tennis shoes, did whatever
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: he had to do.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Then ran back, changed his sweater. And then got the food.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: And then looked on the phone at the camera or
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: that's when he got the message saying, hey, somebody's outside
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: of your, it looks like somebody is laying by the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: side of your house. Like his neighbor said it. It's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: like the son, the neighbor's son called the neighbor who
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: owned the house and that neighbor had Patrick's number and said, what?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: So I know that the neighbor's son texted him at 5.50,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: and that's when he said that he spotted her outside
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: on the ground. Patrick arrived home at 6.09.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: But the son never thought to, like, call the police.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: He just told his dad, and then the dad didn't
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: think to also call the police, just said, I'll just
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: call— The husband?
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know that he called the husband. I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: just believed that. I knew that he had done the interview.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Because if he did call or text Patrick, I would
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: assume that the first place Patrick would have gone when
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: he arrived home was out back.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know. So 6.50, or sorry, 5.50,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: she was for sure outside on the ground. I guess
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: my question too with when he actually left the house
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: also is, there's ring camera from whether it's that neighbor
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: or someone along the road from where the house is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: to where CVS is to be able to say exactly
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: when he left the house. I don't know why that's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: sort of being left for interpretation. There were rumors online,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: and again, I don't know how accurate it is, but
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: there were rumors online that the neighbor did turn in
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: their Ring camera footage and that they never heard or
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: saw about it again.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you also kind of wonder in and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: all is that there are people that are lazy about
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: their jobs and it's an open and shut case. She
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: did it. It's consistent to what the husband said she
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: told him. And now she's telling everybody in the hospital
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: the same thing.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yes, they should have done
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: a better job, but could that be why they didn't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: investigate more? It's because they weren't doing a cover-up or anything.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: They were just really... Like, we're done. You know, why
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: do we have to– you know, so many times that
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: happens when someone's like, I swear to God, my daughter
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: didn't end her life. Right. And the husband's like, no,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: she did. And then like four years later, they exhume
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: the body and they look again and they're like, who
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: would have said this? The gunshot was from behind or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, well, because– You know, he said
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: that she was depressed and there was a typed letter
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: and everyone did this. But, you know, so it's like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I this isn't the first time that something's been presented
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: that just.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: And obviously that became a running joke throughout, especially the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: end of the trial. Everybody was saying because Patrick said. Yeah.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: Patrick said was the reason why a lot of the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: decisions were made. And, for example, the what was it?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: the residue on the inside of the cup was never tested.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: So they never actually confirmed that whatever was crushed up
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: inside of her cup was actually medication. It was a lemonade.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: Was it just a powder from something else? Nobody actually
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: knows because they never tested it. And their reasoning for
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: not testing it was what Patrick said. So they definitely
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: did not do things that they were supposed to do
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: because it just, it does give the impression of like,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: you know, It's a boys club or we just believe
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: him or we know him or I don't know if
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: it's a small town just not being.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Or also just you believe him and it's such a horrific,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: horrific story that you want to get the questioning over
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: with him. You want him to please go like. go to,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: go to Costa Rica, go to Europe. Like you have
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: no family left. Like your story is horrific. You know,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: she's in a wheelchair, she's in a hospital, she's going
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: to be awaiting trial. So they just, they, like I said,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: they just, this is what we were told, you know,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: like when it's a suicide and then it turns out
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: that it's not. And you have to, and the family
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: members have to like fight for it. But I also
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: think everybody went into that trial, her parents and his
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: parents and everybody else and herself, believing this story to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: be 100% true, that she was the only one responsible
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: for the most horrific thing that could ever happen. Yeah.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: I do think one of the most interesting parts of
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: the trial was definitely her mother-in-law taking the stand because,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know girls who their mother-in-law would throw
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: them under the bus for much less. So the fact
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: that she was up there saying that how amazing of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: a mother she was to her kids was really poignant
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I think that in that too, like as you think
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: about how sad that must have been for grandparents to like,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: you know, your whole life for the first six years
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: or whatever was just helping to raise grandchildren and now
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: not having all those things. next 30 years of your
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: life to be involved I don't know if they have
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: other children that have other kids but like that part
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: is so sad and to be at that place but
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: maybe the mom got to that place too because it
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: had been two years because her son does have the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: potential he's now married to a fertility doctor no less.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Well she allegedly also did not go to their wedding
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: the mother his mother did yeah which is interesting to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: the new.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Wife right you might wonder or even if you believe, again,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: the most perfect thing happened at the hands of the mother,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: you might have been like, my son wasn't there to
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: prevent this. He wasn't doing all he could. He was
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: going on trips. He was only taking the easiest, oldest
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: child around. And I believe.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: She also said on the witness stand that she did
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: advise them for her not to be left alone with
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: the children. But Patrick testified that they weren't told that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: by anyone.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Right. And just knowing that like your son was just
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: lazy and that you were like, I told you so,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: like I warned you. And so I think that's why.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: And again, I've said this from the very start. I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: think if Lindsay Clancy was not a paraplegic, from the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: waist down, paralyzed in a wheelchair. I don't think this
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: case would be anywhere near where it is.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: You think? 100%.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Because right away, when it first started, and we just
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: believed the story 100%, we had no questions. I've said
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: this to a few people and they're like, you're right.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: It's just You know, when other women have been on
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: trial for ending their kids' lives, whatever that is, and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: there's been a few, one which is still like a
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: questionable one. She's doing life. It was a story. I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: don't know if you knew it, but this woman was
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: in Texas. She was married. She had three kids and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: she fell asleep on the couch with her two little boys.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: And it was like a nice neighborhood. And she said
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: she woke up to a man in her house. She
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: was stabbing the kids and she too was stabbed. And
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: her baby and her husband were upstairs. And they convicted her.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: They said, no, there was no stranger that came in.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: It was you. And she's still in prison to this
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: day saying, I'm innocent. This was like 30 years ago.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I have to look into that.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: This was like 30 years ago. And there was one
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: moment where it was the boy's birthday. and she hadn't
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: been arrested yet. And she goes to the grave and
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: she sprays silly string on their grave. And some media
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: person caught that and it went viral and it looked
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: like she was laughing and having fun. But what they
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: didn't see is that she had cried and done all
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: this stuff before. And at the end was like, they
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: loved silly string and like, this is their birthday, but
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: that's all they showed. So it looked like she was celebrating. And,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: but there was, you know, enough evidence that they said, no,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: she did it. And whatever the reasons were, were not
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: very strong. And people have innocence projects and stuff have
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: tried to get her out. And she's done documentaries and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: done interviews and still claiming to be innocent and that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: this is a story that happened, but it's a bizarre story.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: And so I think with that, that woman was an
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: attractive blonde woman. And there's something about if, you know,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: she could go on and have another life and have
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: other children and get another great husband if she was
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: to get out. Yeah. I just don't think this– I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: think she's already confined to a wheelchair. She also– tried
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: to end her life. She didn't throw the kids and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: lock them in their car seats and push them down
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: the river because she was dating somebody and then claimed that,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: you know, a black man carjacked her, like Susan Smith,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: who still is behind bars. Like, it wasn't that. It
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: was like, no matter what, no matter even if, again,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: believing that she did it, She was suffering. She tried
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: to be a good mom. She was misdiagnosed.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: And then also the lawsuit that they both are suing
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: the medical professionals. Yeah. So that story, they won't win
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: that case if he did it.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: If he did it, then the medical professionals didn't fail her.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: The only way they could win that money is if
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: they failed her to the point where she– became psychotic
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: and did it and didn't mean to do it.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: I guess that's the thing too, is if this is
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: just as simple as she had postpartum psychosis and she
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: did this, it all goes back to the fact that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: she spent months seeking out medical professionals and suicide hotlines
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: and medication and was reaching out to everyone around her
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: to try to get help. So then it becomes a
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: bigger conversation of, and I think what Reddington is trying
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: to prove or say now is this person was seeking
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: all the help in the world and it wasn't provided
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: for them. And this was the result of that. So
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: now what?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Well, the craziest thing that happened is let's talk about
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: the news that came out that allegedly- People believe they
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: found Patrick's Reddit name.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: How does someone go about finding that? Do you know?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: I don't. I believe it was maybe from his email,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: his email address.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: And that just, this news is like within the last
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: day or two.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe 48 hours max.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: And you put this together.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't put this together.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't put this together.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: This was given to me, yeah.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Somebody else put this together. And his name, allegedly, was
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: Willie Dreamworld Smith. And he's just using Reddit as almost like,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: you know, what it's used for. Hey, on Reddit, I'm
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: moving to Oregon. What's the best city to live in
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: with the best prices? Like there's stuff like that. And
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: then there's, you know, darker Reddit subgroups. But some are
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: just like very helpful, you know? So he would go
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: and ask questions. And like, what are the ones that you,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: that this person highlighted that thought it was very interesting?
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: The things that stood out to me were actually at
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: the bottom of this. You can actually see the day
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: of the murders. This one says warning signs for a seizure. Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: Started with five, already down to 2.5.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: So basically he's asking a lot of questions about her
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: drugs and what it could result if taken wrongly or
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: different doses or whatever. And so someone would then- say,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: why is he asking these questions on a Reddit page
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: when you could just go to her doctor and ask,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: unless you wanted no one to know that you were
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: asking these questions.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: And what would this knowledge, how would the knowledge benefit
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: you knowing it, you know, without your doctor knowing that
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: you asked it? And so again, allegedly some people think
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe he was messing with her meds without her knowing.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Which was a question of mine at the time, being
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: that in her drawer in the nightstand, there were all
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: of these empty pill bottles. And a lot of them
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: were prescribed or some of them were prescribed days, maybe
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: weeks before this all transpired. And she notoriously did not
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: overuse her pills. She documented every single pill that she took.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 4: how many milligrams and what side effects that she was
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: experiencing from it because she was paranoid about not wanting
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: to take the wrong thing or becoming addicted to them.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: So it's interesting that then she has a nightstand full
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: of empty pill bottles that also was there after the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: police search had concluded. Those were only found because Kevin
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: Reddington went to the home and did a search of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: the home. And then there also was another bag of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: pills that were in Patrick's car as well. There's a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: lot of stuff that's just weird.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: There's so much.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: But the most shocking thing to me was, and this
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: was on the 24th, so the day of the murders.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: It says, eventually the realtor will want to enter a
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: new address to add contacts. So there's something to do
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: with creating a form or something for an open house.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: He wasn't a real estate agent. So what is he
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: doing on the day of the murders looking that up?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: So that, you know, yeah, like he's trying to figure
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: out how he'll sell this house.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's how it would appear to me.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: So maybe he was going to think, maybe he was thinking,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to try to sell it myself.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Which again.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: That makes sense.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: He was looking to move to New York. Someone would
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: also argue he was maybe planning on getting divorced, not
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: ending his kid's life. Getting ducks in a row. Anyone
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: would tell a woman, you know, plan ahead if you
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: are ready to leave.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: You know, figure it out. So, you know, so if
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: he was having an affair or not, maybe he was
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: just knowing that he was not going to continue this
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: life with her. Yeah. And he wanted out. So that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but yeah, it's suspicious. And then he
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: was deleting them.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: When did he start deleting them? Like in the last
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: 48 hours?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So as soon as people started reporting on this,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: so also it's a girl named Sky on TikTok. And
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: she started telling people before she sort of got everything
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: herself and started reporting on it. But Sky put all
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: of this together. And as soon as she said the name,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden everything went down. But they'd already locked.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: The name, which is called Willie Dream World. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Dreamwalled.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Dreamwalled.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. But yeah, she had already pulled everything.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: People had started doing their research. People are a lot
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: more educated on how to pull this stuff than I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: am as far as they know websites that you can
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: go to to pull things that have been deleted. So
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: people have been doing that as well. And they've been
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: cross-checking it. And this account is linked to an email
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: that says Patrick W. Clancy at whatever his email address is.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: And there's also a Twitter account, which I didn't really
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: look into or see anything that was standing out that
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: felt incriminatory to me. But just those couple things, especially
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: being at the time that they are, it's just bizarre.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: And not to be woo-woo or whatever, but I'm not
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: a person who believes in... I don't believe in coincidences.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: So just to see all... Like you said... at the beginning,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: if there's one or two things that are off, it's like,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: it's off, but there's so many things throughout this entire
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: thing that just don't make sense.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't know that we'll ever know,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like OJ, it was all down to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: a timeline too until, until DNA came in. Right. And
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: they were like, we got it down. We got the,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: you can't deny the DNA, but you know, the, the
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: jury was, It was too boring. It was too hard
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: to follow. It was too new. And they, you know,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: were taken by the defense. And, you know, that's why
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: OJ got off. Like, it was shocking to all of them.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: But they... Without the DNA, there was questionable timeline things
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: in that because I remember that case so well of
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: like someone saw the Bronco crossing the street and then,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: you know, and Cato heard the three things as he
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: probably jumped over the wall, but that's where the glove
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: was found. But then did a racist detective drop that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: glove and this and that. But the blood that was
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: like there was all– proof of the DNA and they
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: just were like, it was too new. Now, if someone
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: says there's DNA proof, we're all like, well, then it's
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: done because we understand DNA. But back then, yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: Even that is a whole nother thing though, because I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: believe his DNA is on the bands and then hers wasn't,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: or it was inconclusive with the kids.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: I also feel like when people were talking about the
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  Speaker 2: Apple Watch and the Surface Pro and all that, to me,
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  Speaker 2: that was also, it was also confusing. Like I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so just, Explain it to layman. So you're saying that
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  Speaker 2: he presented himself as her searching these things or that
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  Speaker 2: he took the watch with him or that he didn't
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  Speaker 2: take the watch with him or that she took the
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  Speaker 2: Apple Watch off? Like I was confused by what people
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  Speaker 2: were insinuating when they would talk about that.
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  Speaker 4: So she took off the watch at 523.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And so this is where it all, again, it's another
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  Speaker 4: point where it gets weird. She takes off the watch
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  Speaker 4: at 5.23. He sends that email from his Surface Pro
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  Speaker 4: at 5.24. And so he left the house early as 5.25.
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  Speaker 4: So why is she taking off the watch right before
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  Speaker 4: when she... They were able to have people on the
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  Speaker 4: witness stand who said specifically if something was from the
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  Speaker 4: Apple Watch or if it was from her phone and
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  Speaker 4: when she's going up the stairs. But Again, I tried
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  Speaker 4: not to go into the conspiracy of it all with
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: people saying, did you see this person in the gray
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  Speaker 4: sweatshirt and it looked like they handed him something and
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  Speaker 4: that was the watch. Right. But I do think it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: At the store, somebody saw this person that could be
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  Speaker 2: a man or a woman in a gray sweatshirt and
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  Speaker 2: it looked like he could be handed something. But I
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  Speaker 2: also agree. I was like, if that was really the case,
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  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you just go, I'm going to leave it behind.
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  Speaker 2: in the back of this aisle? Why would you have
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: to actually go and give it to them? So I
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  Speaker 2: agree there was some, but, you know, and then there's
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  Speaker 2: just people that do this know that this was a
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  Speaker 2: hot topic, you know, that was like a big thing
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: that people were talking about. But now that it's a
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: mistrial and stuff, I know that my audience, a lot
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: of people like to just move on.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Like, remember when the UFOs were over New Jersey? And
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: we just are like, whatever. Epstein files. All right. Yeah,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: that was very... Like, are we just going to... What's
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: going to happen with this? Right. But it's just, like, fascinating.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: And there's just, like I said, there's so many. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I hope somebody... Takes it and really does do a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: documentary about it or a movie or something. And like
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: utilizes all this stuff and then people can just take
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: it for what it is. But I think with the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: legality of everything, now everyone's just like scared because there's
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: this big legal case against the medical professionals. Mm-hmm. Also,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: is that a way for Reddington, for them to prevail
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: and for Reddington, now I don't know, but lawyers get paid.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Is that something that he was like, I'll take a
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  Speaker 2: lower fee or I won't charge you a whole amount.
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  Speaker 2: I'll wait till you win this case or I'll help
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  Speaker 2: you win that case.
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  Speaker 4: And get a percentage.
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  Speaker 2: Which again, no one can win that case if Patrick
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  Speaker 2: did it. If Patrick did it, they will not win
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  Speaker 2: this medical case.
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  Speaker 4: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: This malpractice case. situation. The only way that you can
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: win is that she did not get the medical professional
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: help that she needed. And because of that, she became psychotic.
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  Speaker 2: Because of that, she did this horrible crime.
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  Speaker 4: And that was something that Reddington was going into in
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: his first interview, the one he did first, which was
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: Good Morning America. He was talking about the first doctor,
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  Speaker 4: Jennifer Tufts, who had only been practicing for two months,
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  Speaker 4: I believe, and was talking about the fact that she
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: was a specialist in postpartum. So in the grand scheme
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: of things, like what you're saying is right, there's no
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  Speaker 4: people to go after if it is as simple as.
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  Speaker 4: She just, or I guess, or if it's not as
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  Speaker 4: simple as he did it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are going to conclude here and then, but
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