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Brad Edwards And His Book About His Pursuit Of Jeffrey Epstein · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Article was written by Nina Burley. Billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: knew a lot of powerful men's secrets, from princes to
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Speaker 1: captains of industry and global political leaders. But he protected
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Speaker 1: his own behind teams of powerful lawyers who battled up
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Speaker 1: until his death last summer to keep the black box
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Speaker 1: of his sordid world sealed shut. Yeah, we've seen it
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Speaker 1: tooth and nail. We've seen the way they battle to
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Speaker 1: keep this guy's information private, even in death. And normally
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Speaker 1: when someone dies, that's when all the beans are spilled, right?
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Speaker 1: All the information about that person becomes available and the
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Speaker 1: vultures show up to the corpse to get some picking in.
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Speaker 1: Not with Jeffrey Epstein. His secrets are even more protected,
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Speaker 1: it seems, in death. And that leads you to say
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Speaker 1: to yourself, all right, well, why is this guy different?
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Speaker 1: Why is he being so protected? Who is protecting him?
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Speaker 1: And I think we've established who is protecting him throughout
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Speaker 1: our 370 episodes here on the podcast and elsewhere. We
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Speaker 1: understand that this is more than just a trafficking ring.
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Speaker 1: We understand that this man was being protected by very, very,
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Speaker 1: very powerful people. But he protected his own behind teams
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Speaker 1: of powerful lawyers who battled up into his death last
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Speaker 1: summer to keep the black box of his sordid world
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Speaker 1: sealed shut. He and his lawyers presumed they could mute powerless, underage,
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Speaker 1: female sex abuse victims, and they succeeded until Florida attorney
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Speaker 1: Bradley J. Edwards got involved in their case in 2008.
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Speaker 1: And like last night, we talked about how he paid
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Speaker 1: off the gal from last night who ended up dying
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Speaker 1: from a overdose, Lee Patrick. She died of a heroin
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Speaker 1: overdose after dealing with Epstein, and after Epstein paid her $ 50, 000
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Speaker 1: for her to keep quiet. So we know that he
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Speaker 1: was slanging around money forever to keep girls quiet. And
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Speaker 1: the question is, how many of these girls ended up
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Speaker 1: with the same fate as Lee Patrick? How many of
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Speaker 1: these girls ended up in a drug-induced world of addiction
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Speaker 1: because of the abuse they suffered at the hands of
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and his associates? Edwards got involved in their
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Speaker 1: case in 2008. Edwards eventually represented 20 of the women
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Speaker 1: in a lawsuit against the government for its 2007 sweetheart
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Speaker 1: deal with Epstein. A deal obtained in spite of overwhelming
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Speaker 1: evidence that Epstein was engaged in a systematic sex abuse
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Speaker 1: and human trafficking ring. Yeah, that's spot on. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: to add there. That's exactly what occurred. We know how
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Speaker 1: devious the prosecution was in this case. We know that
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Speaker 1: they missed the boat. We know that they missed the mark.
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Speaker 1: We know that they helped the defense in defaming these gals?
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Speaker 1: We know that. The question is, why doesn't the public
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Speaker 1: know that yet? Palm Beach, Florida police had evidence from
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Speaker 1: dozens of teenage girls at Epstein preyed upon young, poor
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Speaker 1: women grooming them to participate in sex acts with him
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Speaker 1: and other men. but Epstein's fleet of pricey lawyers including
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Speaker 1: Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz and former Clinton Special Prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Kenneth Starr wheedled a negotiated plea out of the justice
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Speaker 1: system in which Epstein got less than a year of
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Speaker 1: local jail time and was allowed to work from his
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach mansion during the day. Yeah, because that's normal, right?
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Speaker 1: That's normal behavior. That's what happens to normal people. They
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Speaker 1: get involved in a sex trafficking ring. leadership position, they're
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Speaker 1: abusing girls or raping girls, and, you know, they only
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Speaker 1: get a 13-month stay where they don't even have to
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Speaker 1: be in the jail, they have a wing to themselves,
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Speaker 1: the door's open, so they have access to the lawyer
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Speaker 1: room whenever they want. Yeah, par for the course for
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Speaker 1: normal people. I mean, are you kidding me right now?
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Speaker 1: How is this even possible? How was this able to
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Speaker 1: occur when it was occurring? Where were all the city
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Speaker 1: council people? Where were all the prosecutors? Where was the mayor?
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Speaker 1: Where was the governor? Where was anybody, for God's sakes?
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Speaker 1: Edward's lawsuit and other pressure on the Department of Justice,
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Speaker 1: including a scathing expose in the Miami Herald, ultimately led
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Speaker 1: to a new investigation and Epstein's arrest as he stepped
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Speaker 1: off his private jet at a New Jersey airport tarmac
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Speaker 1: last year. And that's another thing that bothers me. When
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Speaker 1: he got arrested, why wasn't he perp walked? You see
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Speaker 1: all these other people. Look at Harvey Weinstein getting the
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Speaker 1: perp walk. Look at Bill Cosby getting the perp walk,
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Speaker 1: but not Jeffrey Epstein. Why were they still giving him...
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Speaker 1: Special treatment after he was arrested. Why didn't he get
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Speaker 1: perp walked? Why wasn't CNN waiting for him there? Why
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Speaker 1: wasn't all the major outlets waiting at the airport to
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Speaker 1: see him get arrested, etc., etc.? Ask yourselves, why did
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein deserve so much special treatment from the government?
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Speaker 1: What could possibly motivate them to protect him in this way?
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Speaker 1: In his new book about the saga, Relentless Pursuit, My
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Speaker 1: Fight for the Victims of Jeffrey Epstein, Edwards, co-written with
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer Brittany Henderson, shares insights into Epstein's psychology, strategies,
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Speaker 1: and vast networks of enablers from lawyers like Dershowitz to
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Speaker 1: his alleged procurer, co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell. Maxwell has denied any wrongdoing. Oh,
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Speaker 1: of course she has. We know that. We know that
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine is never going to come out and say that
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Speaker 1: she was involved. She's going to have to be compelled
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Speaker 1: to testify. She's going to have to be compelled to
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Speaker 1: come forward. Because a person like this, forget about it.
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Speaker 1: There's zero chance she's going to incriminate herself. There's zero
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Speaker 1: chance she's going to do anything that might cause her
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Speaker 1: to end up in jail. So she's going to have
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Speaker 1: to be actively searched out and actively prosecuted. Edwards talked
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Speaker 1: to Rolling Stone from his office in Palm Beach about
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Speaker 1: why he believes Epstein killed himself in jail, where Ghislaine
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Speaker 1: Maxwell is, whether the investigation continues and will reveal any
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Speaker 1: more famous men's names, and rumors that Epstein and Maxwell
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Speaker 1: worked for U.S. or Israeli intelligence. Well, when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the intelligence aspect, you folks all know exactly where
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Speaker 1: I'm at with that. Some people believe it was just
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Speaker 1: a Mossad-run operation, and okay, that's cool, fine, if you
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Speaker 1: want to believe that, that's alright. But in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: dealing with intelligence and knowing how this sort of thing works,
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Speaker 1: it's obvious that the CIA was the big brother here.
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Speaker 1: It's obvious that the Mossad, their involvement, everything ran through
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Speaker 1: the CIA. There is no way they could have set
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Speaker 1: this up in the United States without the CIA being
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Speaker 1: involved and without the CIA giving them the nod of approval.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the CIA wants this
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Speaker 1: information as well. They're information brokers. So if they have
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Speaker 1: dossiers on all of these famous people, which of course
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Speaker 1: they would have access to if they gave the nod
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Speaker 1: to the Mossad to run the operation, well, then they
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Speaker 1: control these people. And we know that to intelligence agencies,
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Speaker 1: information is the most important currency. So if you understand
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Speaker 1: how the CIA works in an overarching way, and you
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Speaker 1: understand how these operations are put into place, then you
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Speaker 1: see how the big picture starts to unfold. And you
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Speaker 1: see that the Mossad, while obviously a very potent intelligence
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Speaker 1: service on their own, really is the little brother of
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Speaker 1: the CIA, just like the five eyes of intelligence around
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Speaker 1: the world. The CIA is the big brother, the CIA
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Speaker 1: is the head honcho, and the spooks who work for
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Speaker 1: the CIA are the ones who are overseeing stuff like this,
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Speaker 1: if it's happening in America, 100% without a doubt. There's
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Speaker 1: zero chance something like this was going on under their
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Speaker 1: noses without them knowing. So again, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: people that want to just say that it was the Mossad.
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Speaker 1: And I agree that the Mossad had their role, of course,
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Speaker 1: because we know Ghislaine Maxwell's connections to the Mossad. We
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Speaker 1: know that her father was heavily connected to Israeli military intelligence.
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Speaker 1: So we know that the Mossad angle definitely hunts. That's
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Speaker 1: definitely something that 100%, this has all the hallmarks of
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Speaker 1: a Mossad operation. But I think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: are missing the point when it comes to the CIA
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Speaker 1: and how involved the CIA is with the Mossad, and
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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to an operation being run on
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Speaker 1: American soil. I think it's naive at best to think
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Speaker 1: the CIA had no involvement. Over the decade of depositions
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Speaker 1: and discussions, you got to know Epstein as well as anyone.
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Speaker 1: Can you describe his personality in a couple of sentences?
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Speaker 1: He was always trying to take advantage of everyone and
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Speaker 1: willing to engage in whatever tactic could advantage him to
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Speaker 1: manipulate everyone around him in order to maintain power. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: we know that he was a narcissist. We know that
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Speaker 1: his ego was the size of the earth. And we
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Speaker 1: know that he used intimidation and other tactics to make
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Speaker 1: sure that he was always in the position of dominance.
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Speaker 1: And he performed all of his duties like that, from
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Speaker 1: financials to procurement and abuse of girls. It was all
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Speaker 1: about power with Jeffrey Epstein. And you see it in
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Speaker 1: cases like this. A lot of times it's all about
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Speaker 1: power and being able to exert that power over the powerless.
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Speaker 1: And that's definitely the kind of person Jeffrey Epstein was. And...
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Speaker 1: that sort of disgusting proclivity was harnessed by the people
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Speaker 1: who were just as bad above him that were running
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Speaker 1: this operation, in my opinion. Does that make him kind
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Speaker 1: of a sociopath? Is there like a pathology there? Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a psychologist, but this one I think is
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Speaker 1: the easiest sociopath to identify. There is nobody who knew
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Speaker 1: him who believes he operated with a conscience at all.
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Speaker 1: He clearly only cared about himself, and he was constantly
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Speaker 1: trying to make everyone believe he cared only about everyone else.
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Speaker 1: He is the definition of a sociopath. Yeah, I've stated
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Speaker 1: this as well. Look, Jeffrey Epstein was all about himself.
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Speaker 1: He had this huge inflated idea about who he was,
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Speaker 1: how smart he was, and his impact on the world.
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Speaker 1: When in reality, we all understand that he truly didn't
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Speaker 1: have any impact on the world. He was a guy
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Speaker 1: with a lot of money and political connections. And he
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Speaker 1: was able to be manipulated and used by these intelligence agencies.
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Speaker 1: And it's ironic, right? When all was said and done
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Speaker 1: and they were finished with Jeffrey Epstein, he was discarded
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Speaker 1: like the same way he discarded these girls. So it's
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Speaker 1: fitting for him to come to an end the way
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Speaker 1: he did. He dies in jail and is ruled a suicide.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people think he didn't kill himself. Why
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Speaker 1: do you believe that he did? Yeah, no doubt in
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Speaker 1: my mind. His entire being was predicated on being the
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Speaker 1: king and being in power and having control over everyone
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Speaker 1: and everything at all times. Here is a guy who
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Speaker 1: was a sex addict and of a particular type. He
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Speaker 1: only engaged in sex acts with vulnerable people that he
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Speaker 1: could control. The control and power was much more important
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Speaker 1: to him than the sex. 100%. That's definitely spot on.
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Speaker 1: I definitely agree with that. Jeffrey Epstein was all about power, control,
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Speaker 1: and exerting that power. Of course, the sex was important
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Speaker 1: to him because he got off by it, obviously. But
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Speaker 1: the whole entire lead up to it and the whole
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Speaker 1: entire exertion of power over these survivors, that's what really
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Speaker 1: got him going. That's what really got Jeffrey Epstein off.
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Speaker 1: And whether the vulnerabilities that he was preying on was
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Speaker 1: the young age of the victim or the financial situation
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Speaker 1: or even the dancers and models of New York City
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Speaker 1: who had a dream and he could give them promises
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Speaker 1: and then puppeteer the situation and manipulate them, it was
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Speaker 1: being able to control all of these people and using
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Speaker 1: sex to demean them, degrade them, humiliate them, and further
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Speaker 1: control them. One, definitely all the aspects of a sex cult, right?
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was the guru and he had a certain
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Speaker 1: blueprint for how he would groom these girls to be
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Speaker 1: involved in his trafficking operation. And it would move on
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Speaker 1: from the procurement stage to the grooming stage and then
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Speaker 1: to the conversion stage. And Jeffrey Epstein had it down
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Speaker 1: to a T. And like Bradley Edwards is saying here,
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Speaker 1: it was all about power. It was all about power
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Speaker 1: to him. In addition, he had all of these employees
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Speaker 1: that he controlled with his money, and he basically roped
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Speaker 1: them into his cult of recruiting other vulnerable people for
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Speaker 1: him to manipulate through sex. Lastly, he doesn't care about
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Speaker 1: any of these people, but he has these powerful people
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Speaker 1: that are either well-known scientists, other world leaders, businessmen, people
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Speaker 1: that are respected in society, the world's most respected people.
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Speaker 1: And through his money and his other connections, he's able
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Speaker 1: to control those people too. Well, I'd like to add
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Speaker 1: to that. I believe the blackmail operation played a huge
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Speaker 1: part in that as well. When you have dossiers on
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Speaker 1: people and you have information that they were having sexual
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Speaker 1: relations with underage girls, boy, that is the kind of
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Speaker 1: thing that really destroys somebody. People can live through an affair, right? Oh,
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Speaker 1: you had an affair on your wife. You stepped out
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Speaker 1: on your wife. Kind of a scummy move, buddy, but
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Speaker 1: all right. Comes to this, something like this. There's no
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Speaker 1: coming back from this. So the ultimate form of control
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Speaker 1: is information. And Jeffrey Epstein had that in spades. When
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Speaker 1: he gets arrested, his entire life is taken from him.
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Speaker 1: He's no longer sitting on a jet, living the life
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Speaker 1: of a billionaire that is engaging in these sex acts
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Speaker 1: three or four times a day. In fact, he goes
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Speaker 1: from that overindulgence of sex to no sex. Once his
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Speaker 1: bond is denied, his employees no longer fear him. He
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Speaker 1: can't control them anymore. all of his powerful associates and
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Speaker 1: associations begin turning on him. Whether it's Les Wexner or
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Speaker 1: President Trump or Bill Clinton, everybody starts distancing themselves and
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Speaker 1: saying how terrible a guy he was. That part of
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Speaker 1: his world caved in too. That's for sure. I've said
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Speaker 1: this from the beginning. After the second arrest, he was
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Speaker 1: discarded as trash by his people. All the powerful people
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Speaker 1: that protected him, the people that were running him as
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Speaker 1: an asset, Les Wexner, all of them abandoned him and
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Speaker 1: left Jeffrey Epstein left holding the bag, right? You're no
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Speaker 1: longer getting this protection. And Epstein went from having the
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Speaker 1: ultimate amount of political protection to having nothing. He went
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Speaker 1: from somebody who had absolute control over literally everybody and
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Speaker 1: everything at all times to having no control whatsoever. And
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Speaker 1: that was not a life that he was ever going
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Speaker 1: to live. The only thing he had left to control
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Speaker 1: was himself. He was not going to be one on
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Speaker 1: the other end of being controlled and powerless. So he
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Speaker 1: took his own life. Well, look, that's definitely a plausible
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Speaker 1: outline right there, right? Unfortunately, I can't believe that he
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Speaker 1: killed himself until I see the evidence at this point.
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Speaker 1: Because all the coincidence that led up to his suicide,
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Speaker 1: it's just, there's just way too many coincidences for me
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Speaker 1: to believe. Now, again, like I've said, if I see
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Speaker 1: the evidence that points to him killing himself, I'm more
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Speaker 1: than willing to accept that, right? Whatever the facts are
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Speaker 1: in the case, I'm willing to accept. But there's just
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Speaker 1: way too many coincidences right now for me to accept that.
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Speaker 1: I actually need to see the same video that Barr saw,
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Speaker 1: that Barr seen, that he said... showed him that Epstein
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Speaker 1: did take his own life. And until I see that footage,
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Speaker 1: it's going to take a whole hell of a lot
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Speaker 1: of evidence to prove to me that Jeffrey Epstein did
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Speaker 1: in fact kill himself. You said once Bond was denied,
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Speaker 1: employees no longer feared him. Did you know him to
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Speaker 1: be violent or what was the fear factor? Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: would weave into all of his conversations with me an
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Speaker 1: element of fear. He would tell me, you know, Brad,
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Speaker 1: you should stop prosecuting me or else somebody is going
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Speaker 1: to get hurt. He would do it in a way
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Speaker 1: that wasn't overtly intimidating, but there were only two people
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Speaker 1: in the room. He was saying I was going to
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Speaker 1: get hurt. Yeah, Epstein and his people, they worked in
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Speaker 1: the world of threats, right? They were willing to make
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Speaker 1: these kind of threats, and then they would follow through
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Speaker 1: on them. They had access to a lot of powerful people,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the world of intelligence, a
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Speaker 1: lot of people that could really cause you a lot
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Speaker 1: of grief. And Epstein was not scared to flaunt that power,
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Speaker 1: and he was not scared to intimidate people with his connections.
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Speaker 1: Through talking with many of my clients, many of them,
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Speaker 1: he would make clear how powerful he was, that he
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Speaker 1: had friends in high places, and would often weave in
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Speaker 1: how some of his powerful friends had done bad things
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Speaker 1: to people. how he can make people lose their jobs,
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Speaker 1: lose their careers, and cause anyone who crossed him to
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Speaker 1: suffer consequences. That was part of his natural way of
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Speaker 1: dealing with everyone. There wasn't a single person that was
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Speaker 1: ever around him that I have ever encountered who didn't
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Speaker 1: leave the interaction in extraordinary fear, thinking, this is the
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Speaker 1: last person on the universe that I want to cross.
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Speaker 1: And it's crazy for me to think about that. I
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Speaker 1: look at Jeffrey Epstein and I see this big dork, right?
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Speaker 1: This big nerdy ass dork. And it's so foreign for
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Speaker 1: me to think that people could be intimidated by him.
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Speaker 1: But then you start to think about the people he
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Speaker 1: rolls with, the people he's involved with, the money he has,
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Speaker 1: the access to ex-intelligence agents or current intelligence agents even.
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Speaker 1: And the picture becomes more grim, right? You start to
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Speaker 1: understand that you're not just dealing with Epstein or his
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Speaker 1: trafficking ring. but you're dealing with his gigantic bankroll and
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Speaker 1: the serious people that he can hire with that money.
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Speaker 1: And would that include the very powerful people? Didn't he
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Speaker 1: collect videotape of powerful men? in compromised positions? Well, I
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Speaker 1: think that's always the suspicion, right? I don't know that
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Speaker 1: there's ever been confirmation that he's kept any video of
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Speaker 1: any powerful people doing any improper things in his home.
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Speaker 1: I never came across any videotapes, for instance, of that happening.
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Speaker 1: I think that he would allude to it sometimes, too.
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Speaker 1: But whether that was true or whether he was creating
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Speaker 1: that illusion to kind of bolster his prominence, I really
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think that, you know, Brad Edwards isn't
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Speaker 1: shooting from the hip, folks. He's being very Very straightforward here.
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Speaker 1: He isn't using any kind of speculation. He's only talking
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Speaker 1: about what he knows. And I think it's important when
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Speaker 1: it goes to establish his credibility that he's not firing
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Speaker 1: off all kinds of crazy, weird conspiracy theories or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. He's sticking right to the facts and what
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Speaker 1: he knows. I think that it's very fair to say
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Speaker 1: all the powerful people knew that he was well-connected and
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Speaker 1: was not beneath using whatever information he had to embarrass
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Speaker 1: others or compromise them or put them into a compromised situation.
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Speaker 1: And you see he, right here, Bradley Edwards... says straight up,
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Speaker 1: that Epstein wasn't above these moves. But again, Epstein was shrewd.
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Speaker 1: He was very, very capable of hiding what he was
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Speaker 1: up to. And we have to always remember, folks, it's
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Speaker 1: not what we know, it's what we can prove. We
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Speaker 1: can speculate about what we know, and we can talk
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Speaker 1: about it, and we can try and find the evidence
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Speaker 1: for it. But until we can prove it in a
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Speaker 1: court of law, we have to keep grinding. I think
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Speaker 1: that it's very fair to say all of the powerful
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Speaker 1: people knew that he was well-connected and was not beneath
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Speaker 1: using whatever information he had to embarrass others or compromise
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Speaker 1: them or put them into a compromised situation. Where is
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Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell, to the best of your knowledge, and what
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Speaker 1: is she up to? I don't know where Ghislaine is,
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Speaker 1: but I know that she recently filed that lawsuit against
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Speaker 1: the estate of Jeffrey Epstein in the Virgin Islands, asking
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Speaker 1: for the estate to pay her attorney fees, in part
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Speaker 1: so that she could remain in hiding. I think by
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Speaker 1: her own admission, she's hiding. Where she's hiding? I don't know. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't really have much to add to that either.
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Speaker 1: I have no inside information on Ghislaine Maxwell. I don't
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Speaker 1: know where she's hiding, right? I wish I did. I'd
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Speaker 1: call the FBI, that's for sure. I wouldn't be talking about,
20:25
Speaker 1: you know, oh, I have inside information about Ghislaine. follow
20:29
Speaker 1: me and I'll tell you about it. No, no, no.
20:31
Speaker 1: The second I get information, I disseminate it right away.
20:34
Speaker 1: The second I get it after I vet it, make
20:36
Speaker 1: sure it's legit. We talk about it on the podcast.
20:39
Speaker 1: And I believe that that's important. I believe that's important.
20:41
Speaker 1: If you're being, if you're credible and you want to,
20:44
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to set the tone, right.
20:47
Speaker 1: As somebody who was reporting the case, this case is,
20:49
Speaker 1: it's not about me. It's not about enriching myself. It's
20:52
Speaker 1: not about money. It's Believe me, if it was about money,
20:56
Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't be here with you guys every single
20:58
Speaker 1: day like this, especially with the way ad revenue is
21:01
Speaker 1: collapsing right now. But that's never been my motivation here.
21:04
Speaker 1: My motivation has always been from the standpoint of an
21:09
Speaker 1: investigative journalist, and a concerned citizen. Somebody who has just
21:13
Speaker 1: had enough of all the deception, all the BS going
21:16
Speaker 1: on at the very high levels of government, and then
21:18
Speaker 1: you see something like this come across your desk, you
21:21
Speaker 1: see this sort of case pop up, and boy oh boy,
21:24
Speaker 1: let me tell you what, did it fire me up,
21:25
Speaker 1: did it motivate me. And as the cases unfolded, I've
21:30
Speaker 1: just been more motivated each and every single day. You know,
21:33
Speaker 1: I've been here now 177 straight days, folks, reporting on
21:37
Speaker 1: this case. Every single day, haven't missed one. And I
21:42
Speaker 1: believe that's important because as we follow the case, there's
21:45
Speaker 1: so many twists and turns that unless you're reporting on
21:48
Speaker 1: it and in long form information, like a podcast or
21:52
Speaker 1: a YouTube video, it's very hard to follow this case.
21:57
Speaker 1: Do you believe there is an active FBI investigation into Maxwell?
22:00
Speaker 1: I believe that it's still an active, ongoing investigation. The
22:04
Speaker 1: prosecutors in New York have done an exemplary job, but
22:07
Speaker 1: are really hamstrung by the way the government treated Jeffrey
22:10
Speaker 1: Epstein the first time. I want to believe that, right?
22:14
Speaker 1: I want to believe that the prosecution is really going
22:17
Speaker 1: hard in the paint. And you have to think as
22:20
Speaker 1: the lawyer for the gals that you're not going to
22:26
Speaker 1: want to poke the prosecution, right? You want to make
22:28
Speaker 1: sure that you're not speaking out of the pocket. So,
22:32
Speaker 1: it's smart for Bradley Edwards to take this approach here.
22:35
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with him for taking this approach at all.
22:38
Speaker 1: But as somebody on the outside looking in, I can
22:41
Speaker 1: tell you that I don't believe the prosecution is doing enough.
22:44
Speaker 1: I believe that they're dragging their feet, and I'd love
22:46
Speaker 1: to see some more action out of them. What do
22:50
Speaker 1: you make of the rumors that Maxwell and Epstein work
22:52
Speaker 1: for some intelligence agency? Wow. There you go, Bradley Edwards
23:11
Speaker 1: telling you right there. Look, again, it's one thing when
23:14
Speaker 1: journalists tell you. It's another thing when Bradley Edwards himself
23:18
Speaker 1: comes out and says he believes that that dog hunts.
23:20
Speaker 1: That he believes there's something there. And you know how
23:23
Speaker 1: I feel about the intelligence angle in this case. 100%. 100%.
23:27
Speaker 1: They're the only people powerful enough to protect Epstein the
23:31
Speaker 1: way they had. They're the only people powerful enough to
23:34
Speaker 1: get him that kind of sweetheart deal in this country.
23:36
Speaker 1: Who else do you think wields that kind of power, man?
23:40
Speaker 1: Only the CIA, the NSA, the NIA, places like that.
23:45
Speaker 1: No other organizations have this kind of power, folks. I
23:53
Speaker 1: didn't think that the witness had any motivation to make
23:56
Speaker 1: that up. And I've had conversations with Epstein about the
23:59
Speaker 1: fact that at some point in time, he was working
24:01
Speaker 1: with the government, with the U.S. government, to recover money
24:04
Speaker 1: that the government had been defrauded and that he was
24:06
Speaker 1: like a financial bounty hunter. That's something that he told
24:09
Speaker 1: me personally. So you see it all come together, right?
24:12
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, the CIA, you already had connections. Enter Ghislaine Maxwell.
24:18
Speaker 1: That's the Mossad angle. Put them both together. And boy,
24:21
Speaker 1: oh boy, do you have yourselves a honey trap. Do
24:23
Speaker 1: you have yourselves quite the intricate blackmail operation? When you
24:30
Speaker 1: look at the allegations that Ghislaine's father, Robert Maxwell, was
24:34
Speaker 1: associated with intelligence agencies, and it's right after his death
24:37
Speaker 1: that Ghislaine meets Jeffrey Epstein, it would seem irresponsible to
24:40
Speaker 1: ignore all of those signs that seem to point to
24:44
Speaker 1: one or both of them having contacts with intelligence agencies,
24:47
Speaker 1: whether they're associated or not. 100%. Just gotta follow the evidence, right?
24:53
Speaker 1: Follow the breadcrumbs. And again, it's not about what we know,
24:57
Speaker 1: but what we can prove. So we have to just
24:59
Speaker 1: keep on it. Keep pounding this point away, keep searching
25:02
Speaker 1: for evidence, and eventually something's going to pop. Which country's
25:07
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies? It only looks to me like the United
25:11
Speaker 1: States and Israel. 100% again, folks. This is what I've
25:14
Speaker 1: been telling you from the very beginning, before I had
25:16
Speaker 1: access to any of this. And for me, it was
25:20
Speaker 1: obvious that there was a Mossad angle because of the
25:22
Speaker 1: way the operation was being run. And for those of
25:25
Speaker 1: you who know me personally, or for those of you
25:27
Speaker 1: who have been listening for a while, you know that
25:30
Speaker 1: my main appetite is Near East policy, the Middle East.
25:34
Speaker 1: So I'm very familiar with the way the Mossad operates.
25:37
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with the way they conduct themselves. And
25:40
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with the sort of operations they run.
25:44
Speaker 1: But I knew that they were never going to be
25:46
Speaker 1: able to run that sort of operation on American soil.
25:49
Speaker 1: They're working as a tag team, right? The Mossad and
25:53
Speaker 1: the CIA, they always work hand in hand. So it
25:55
Speaker 1: would be negligent to believe that they weren't working hand
26:00
Speaker 1: in hand when it came to this. Do you think
26:04
Speaker 1: Maxwell and Epstein were running some kind of blackmail factory?
26:08
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had to be in absolute control of everything.
26:11
Speaker 1: So he had to know what everybody around him is
26:13
Speaker 1: doing at all times. So did he surveil all of
26:16
Speaker 1: the main females in his life? Absolutely. Did he have
26:19
Speaker 1: their passwords to get into their emails? I would have
26:21
Speaker 1: no doubt whatsoever. Did he have surveillance cameras set up
26:24
Speaker 1: at every aspect of his property that he also monitored
26:27
Speaker 1: when he needed to? Absolutely. Everything he could do so
26:31
Speaker 1: that he could know what all of the people around
26:33
Speaker 1: him were doing at all times, he did that. He
26:36
Speaker 1: really did micromanage this big chessboard of people and it
26:39
Speaker 1: was only so he could use anything that he could
26:42
Speaker 1: learn against them to further cause them to feel indebted
26:45
Speaker 1: to him and manipulate them for his own selfish purpose.
26:49
Speaker 1: Everything that he did revolved around control. Wow, bang, bing, boom,
26:54
Speaker 1: right out of the park with that one. It's all
26:57
Speaker 1: about control with these people. All of these people care
27:00
Speaker 1: about is control, power, and enriching themselves. Not in that
27:05
Speaker 1: specific order, either. But those are the things that they
27:07
Speaker 1: care about, and Jeffrey Epstein was no different. The FBI
27:13
Speaker 1: seized a lot of evidence from Epstein's safe in Manhattan,
27:15
Speaker 1: including fake passports and diamonds. What other materials were taken
27:19
Speaker 1: from his properties, and will we ever see it? In 2008,
27:23
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was first caught, and I think that he
27:25
Speaker 1: destroyed a lot of the tapes and other evidence. Then,
27:29
Speaker 1: from 2010 through the time he was arrested in 2019,
27:33
Speaker 1: he started accumulating other naked photographs of females that he
27:36
Speaker 1: had taken either by himself or by Ghislaine. And he
27:39
Speaker 1: kept those as trophies. That's important. Remember I talked about
27:43
Speaker 1: serial killers and how they kept trophies and how it
27:45
Speaker 1: was very similar to Epstein? Right here, Bradley Edwards says
27:48
Speaker 1: it as well. And... I knew for a fact that
27:52
Speaker 1: he shared a lot of traits with serial killers because,
27:55
Speaker 1: you know, it's another thing that I like to research, right?
27:58
Speaker 1: I definitely, I find it intriguing to read about that
28:02
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I think it's fascinating to read cases
28:06
Speaker 1: of how serial killers were caught and their psychology, et cetera,
28:09
Speaker 1: et cetera. And Epstein shared a lot of similarities with them.
28:15
Speaker 1: I think there are surveillance videos that were also kept
28:19
Speaker 1: as trophies and that a lot of that, if not
28:21
Speaker 1: all of it, was confiscated in the raid of his
28:23
Speaker 1: New York mansion. I think that the FBI has all
28:26
Speaker 1: of his trophies of young females that he accumulated after
28:30
Speaker 1: the 2009-2010 period. So they have all of this evidence
28:35
Speaker 1: and no arrests, huh? Hmm, interesting. In a defamation case
28:40
Speaker 1: filed by one of the survivors, Virginia Roberts, against Ghislaine
28:44
Speaker 1: Maxwell for calling her a liar, the court publicly released
28:47
Speaker 1: hundreds of pages of documents the day before Epstein died,
28:51
Speaker 1: with new allegations involving Energy Secretary Bill Richardson and Senator
28:55
Speaker 1: George Mitchell, for example. Many other famous men are believed
28:59
Speaker 1: to be battling in court right now to keep the
29:01
Speaker 1: rest of those documents redacted or sealed. How many more
29:05
Speaker 1: big names are in the Epstein case and still held confidentially?
29:09
Speaker 1: I do think that there is a need for everyone
29:11
Speaker 1: to be careful with this. Because just because somebody's name
29:13
Speaker 1: is mentioned doesn't mean they did anything wrong. I've said
29:17
Speaker 1: that a lot of times here as well. We have
29:19
Speaker 1: to be very careful, right? We have to be very
29:21
Speaker 1: careful who we put on blast. We have to be
29:23
Speaker 1: very careful how we classify these people. Now... I'll never
29:28
Speaker 1: shy away from calling somebody an enabler. People that were
29:30
Speaker 1: around Epstein, people that knew him, people that really knew him,
29:34
Speaker 1: that were hanging out with him, that turned the other cheek,
29:36
Speaker 1: those are enablers and I'll call them that right away.
29:39
Speaker 1: But you have to be very careful. about who you
29:41
Speaker 1: put involved in the ring. And that's why I stick
29:44
Speaker 1: to the people that Virginia Roberts has mentioned. Until we
29:47
Speaker 1: have evidence pointing somewhere else, I'm not going to deviate
29:51
Speaker 1: from the facts in this case. I'm not going to obfuscate.
29:53
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put out disinformation. And I see
29:57
Speaker 1: that Bradley Edwards takes that same route, and that gives
30:00
Speaker 1: me a little bit more faith in the process I've
30:04
Speaker 1: chosen here. Because I want to make sure that this
30:07
Speaker 1: podcast is as factual and as truthful as possible. Because
30:12
Speaker 1: it's the most important part, right? That we're going off
30:14
Speaker 1: of right information, real information, and real evidence. This isn't
30:19
Speaker 1: a fishing expedition. It doesn't need to be. There's plenty
30:23
Speaker 1: of real life evidence here in this case to follow.
30:28
Speaker 1: But because of the public belief in the terms of
30:30
Speaker 1: who Jeffrey Epstein is, there is the natural inclination to
30:34
Speaker 1: assume somebody is guilty by just mere association. Having been
30:38
Speaker 1: the lawyer in the case, I understand both sides. I
30:41
Speaker 1: think it would be best if everything was released and
30:43
Speaker 1: people could see it for what it is. I really
30:45
Speaker 1: don't know how many other names or how many other
30:48
Speaker 1: documents are going to come out, but I think the
30:50
Speaker 1: balancing test is tough. And I agree with that, right?
30:54
Speaker 1: Just because you're named in the files doesn't mean you
30:57
Speaker 1: were involved. You might be a witness, you might be
30:58
Speaker 1: a material witness, etc., etc. That's why it's important for
31:02
Speaker 1: these documents to come out so it ends all of
31:04
Speaker 1: the guesswork. So people can really look at the documents
31:07
Speaker 1: and say, all right, this person, this person, this person,
31:10
Speaker 1: directly implicated. These people enablers and these other people material witnesses,
31:14
Speaker 1: or however it might unfold. But it's important to get
31:18
Speaker 1: those documents out so it's no longer speculation. So it's a,
31:21
Speaker 1: and then it becomes a matter of record. Do you
31:25
Speaker 1: think the survivors got justice? The day that he was
31:28
Speaker 1: arrested was a day after a decade-long, constant, grueling battle,
31:32
Speaker 1: and they felt some sense of justice at that time.
31:34
Speaker 1: There was some closure. Jeffrey Epstein's last robbery of his
31:39
Speaker 1: survivors was to take his own life so that all
31:42
Speaker 1: they had achieved by finally getting him in custody was
31:46
Speaker 1: once again stolen from them. Look, whether he killed himself
31:50
Speaker 1: or he was murdered, whatever it may be, the fact
31:53
Speaker 1: is he's not wrong about what he's saying here. Justice
31:58
Speaker 1: was snatched from these survivors once again by him dying.
32:03
Speaker 1: Having watched this whole thing play out, how can the
32:06
Speaker 1: public be sure prosecutors don't do these sweetheart deals for
32:09
Speaker 1: rich predators in the future? Through our case, we shed
32:12
Speaker 1: light on the illegal deal that was created for Jeffrey Epstein,
32:16
Speaker 1: which will make it nearly impossible for them to replicate.
32:19
Speaker 1: And we've increased the rights of victims under the Crime
32:22
Speaker 1: Victim Rights Act through the case, which will make it
32:25
Speaker 1: much more difficult for this to be replicated. So if
32:27
Speaker 1: we've accomplished anything, it is shedding light on this unbelievable
32:31
Speaker 1: injustice that happened so that it's not replicated again. For sure.
32:36
Speaker 1: And that's why it's important that there's independent content creators
32:40
Speaker 1: that are coming out reporting on this case. Because going forward,
32:43
Speaker 1: we can never let this happen again. We can never, ever,
32:47
Speaker 1: ever let this happen again. I know that I'm going
32:49
Speaker 1: to be much more aware going forward after this case
32:52
Speaker 1: about this sort of thing happening at the very top
32:55
Speaker 1: of society. Because it's been proven that these people in
32:58
Speaker 1: general are sick and they don't care about the rest
33:01
Speaker 1: of us. Just look at the way they conduct themselves
33:03
Speaker 1: with their endless wars, running away to their mansions and
33:06
Speaker 1: their compounds while people are dying. You know, one person
33:10
Speaker 1: dying every four minutes in New York right now, whatever
33:12
Speaker 1: it may be. So, you know, these people don't care
33:15
Speaker 1: about us. They don't give a damn about us. So
33:19
Speaker 1: we have to make sure that we're very aware of
33:22
Speaker 1: the people we elect. We have to make sure we're
33:24
Speaker 1: very aware of what they're doing once they're in office.
33:28
Speaker 1: And we have to be even more aware of the
33:31
Speaker 1: unelected bureaucrats that infest these intelligence communities, these intelligence agencies,
33:37
Speaker 1: because these people are really the problem. In my opinion,
33:40
Speaker 1: these are the people that are behind the shadows. They
33:43
Speaker 1: have no names and they're involved with people like Jeffrey
33:46
Speaker 1: Epstein all around the world. Well, I'm here to tell you,
33:49
Speaker 1: enough is enough. Like JFK said, the CIA should be
33:52
Speaker 1: scattered to the four winds.