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The Essential Part of You with Lisa Campion · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Favers podcast. My name is Gamy Ferson,
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  Speaker 1: and I interview incredible people who share the story of
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  Speaker 1: how trauma has shaped their lives. And a big thank
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  Speaker 1: you for sponsoring today's episode goes to my guest and
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  Speaker 1: our sponsors five four, three, two and one, Our folks,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to have as
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  Speaker 1: my guest today, Lisa Campion. Lisa, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much guy, So glad to be here
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. So. Lisa is a psychic counselor, reiky master teacher
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  Speaker 1: and the best selling author of the Art of Psychic Reiki,
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  Speaker 1: Energy Healing for Empaths and more. With over twenty five
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  Speaker 1: years of experience and fifteen thousand sessions, she's trained thousands
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  Speaker 1: in Reichi and energy healing. Her mission is to help
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  Speaker 1: people awaken their psychic and healing gifts through her courses
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  Speaker 1: and cheat teachings. Excuse me, gently, powerfully, and with grace.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Lisa, just a bit about you, obviously, but
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  Speaker 1: before we get going, share with the listeners where you're
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  Speaker 1: from originally and where you are currently.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up just outside of Boston, and I haven't
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  Speaker 2: gone far I'm in Rhode Island, so I'm a New
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  Speaker 2: England girl.
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  Speaker 1: Nice, nice, all right, So let's start out if we
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  Speaker 1: can broadly and then get more specific. Reichy what is it?
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  Speaker 2: So it's a really gentle, hands on energy healing technique
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  Speaker 2: from Japan. It's pretty old. It's been around for a
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  Speaker 2: while and it is Some people say like acupuncture without needles,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's more like connecting with the universe,
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  Speaker 2: this sort of flow of universal life worce energy and
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  Speaker 2: reiki practitioners learn how to transmit or give that energy
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  Speaker 2: to their clients.
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  Speaker 1: It.
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  Speaker 2: When I learned it in nineteen ninety nine, it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of a fringe, weird thing to do, and these
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  Speaker 2: days it's eight hundred hospitals in the United States, especially
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  Speaker 2: here in New England where I'm at, we have some
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  Speaker 2: of the best hospitals in the world and they have
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  Speaker 2: full time reiki staff that are you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you get cancer, you're getting treated at
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  Speaker 2: Dana Farber, the you know, leading cancer therapy place in
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  Speaker 2: the world. You're gonna get reiki before and after your
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  Speaker 2: cancer treatments. You know, it's really it's in pain clinics
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  Speaker 2: for non narcotic pain use, and it's really great for
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  Speaker 2: mental health issues, depression, anxiety, and I think the best
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  Speaker 2: thing about it is anyone can learn it, like you,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to be special. I mean, guy, we're
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  Speaker 2: all special.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, let's just start out by saying that.
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  Speaker 2: We're all special. But all of us can learn reiki.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone can learn and I've taught kids, I've taught you know, anybody,
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  Speaker 2: any old person can learn it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, look, how did how the hell did this
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  Speaker 1: start for you? How did you get into this?
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  Speaker 2: Gosh? Well, you know, I was what was born in
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  Speaker 2: the sixth sees, just sat outside Boston, and I was
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  Speaker 2: one of those I see dead people kids. I just
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  Speaker 2: was super psychic. It was inextremely weird thing to be
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  Speaker 2: back then. I was just trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 2: was happening. I was seeing things abound, colors around people.
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  Speaker 2: I've seeing spirits, dead people. I was having the full
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  Speaker 2: on psychic experience. But back then, nobody that's not a thing.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't a thing. I was just trying to stay,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stay out of a mental hospital.
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  Speaker 1: How old are we talking now?
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  Speaker 2: My very very very first memories. I was literally born
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  Speaker 2: this way. You know, God bless my hippie parents didn't
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  Speaker 2: like drag me to the church and throw holy water
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  Speaker 2: on me, but you know, they didn't know what to
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  Speaker 2: do there. My mom was like, what an incredible imagination
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  Speaker 2: you have. That's sort of you know, but.
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  Speaker 1: What did you do when you started seeing this or
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  Speaker 1: experiencing this? How what did you do? How did you react?
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  Speaker 1: What did you think? And did you tell anyone?
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty quiet about it. I think that was
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  Speaker 2: sort of self preservation. My few four ways into telling
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  Speaker 2: people about it didn't go that well. So I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I'm on my own here, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: I you know, I was never really afraid, which when
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  Speaker 2: I look back on that, I think that's funny. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's sort of odd. I was way more afraid of
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  Speaker 2: living people and continue to be. Living people are scary
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  Speaker 2: to me, but you know, spirits not so much.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get a little specific. You said you
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  Speaker 1: saw colors around what just certain people? When it met someone, it.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of would depend, you know, like if I was
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  Speaker 2: in a relaxed state, which is still really normal, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, to be like relaxed daydreaming and that sort
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  Speaker 2: of alpha brain wave is when we're the most intuitive,
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  Speaker 2: most psychic. And I would see that. I would I
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  Speaker 2: would see what I called the gray people around my
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  Speaker 2: bed at night. And I grew up in one of
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  Speaker 2: those big Victorian houses, you know, and it was super hanted,
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  Speaker 2: so I just I would see those things in experience.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that if I talked to them and I listened,
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  Speaker 2: they would feel better and then they would go away.
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  Speaker 2: Psychos therapy and it later became a therapist, which is
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  Speaker 2: sort of funny, but you know, so I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what was going on I was at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, I was trying to pretend to be
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  Speaker 2: normal in public. And my hippie parents were cool. So
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  Speaker 2: they took me to transcendental meditation when I was ten,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what you did when you were hippie in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, and so I learned how to meditate.
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  Speaker 2: They did this thing called the Silver Method. Now it's
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  Speaker 2: called the Silver Method. Back then it was called Silver
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  Speaker 2: mind control, which they talked about spirit guides, they talked
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  Speaker 2: about meditation. I was in high school, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: had this fortunate set of kind of interventions that helped
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  Speaker 2: me understand and then I went to college in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighties and it was the dawn of the New Age, hallelujah,
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden there were books, new Age bookstores,
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  Speaker 2: psychic teachers. Then. You know, I feel it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of a hard road. I'm not I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: It was challenging for me a lot. And nowadays I
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  Speaker 2: feel really motivated and passionate about helping other people awaken psychically, spiritually,
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  Speaker 2: who are awakenings. I feel passionate about helping them do
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  Speaker 2: it in a much more beautiful, graceful way than I did.
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  Speaker 2: It was like school hard knocks for me. So if
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  Speaker 2: I can help somebody else go through that in a
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  Speaker 2: better way than I did, That's That's what I'm all about.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 1: Along with this gift or access or these experiences, was
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  Speaker 1: there were you an EmPATH as well? Do they go
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  Speaker 1: hand in hand or.
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  Speaker 2: They often do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, they often do. And I, of course, back then,
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  Speaker 2: there wasn't a term for that. You know, that's sort
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  Speaker 2: of a recent idea. I just knew that I was sensitive.
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  Speaker 2: I was often told I was too sensitive, and I
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  Speaker 2: had this experience when I was in college of really
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  Speaker 2: understanding what that was like. I went to a party,
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  Speaker 2: you know, freshman year, and I sat down next to
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  Speaker 2: this guy. He was super depressed. He's crying into his beer.
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  Speaker 2: I sat down next to him. He's telling me everything,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what people do when you're an EmPATH. This
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  Speaker 2: they tell you their whole life story. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I felt terrible. I was like
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  Speaker 2: crushing depression. I was like, what is wrong with me?
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  Speaker 2: I gotta leave, like I've got I gotta get out
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  Speaker 2: of here. And I really was like, I'm crazy, I'm crazy,
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  Speaker 2: there is something wrong with me. And I walked out
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  Speaker 2: of It was a house party. I walked out of
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  Speaker 2: the house and I turned around and I saw him
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  Speaker 2: through the window, still crying into his beer. But I
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  Speaker 2: felt fine. I was like, oh, I feel like myself again.
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  Speaker 2: I was eighteen. And it was in that moment that
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  Speaker 2: I realized it wasn't me that I was feeling what
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  Speaker 2: he was feeling. And of course that word EmPATH, high
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  Speaker 2: sensitive person, that wasn't a thing. I just knew that
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  Speaker 2: I that I that it wasn't me, and that I
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  Speaker 2: needed to figure out what to do about that. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so I became very dedicated to kind of like psychic
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  Speaker 2: self defense is what I call it, but like energy
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  Speaker 2: management and really learning how to tell the difference between
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  Speaker 2: my experience and somebody else's experience. And that's still a lifelong,
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  Speaker 2: you know, study for me.
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  Speaker 1: So you kind of defined what an EmPATH was, you said,
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  Speaker 1: someone who's what very sensitive? Yeah? Is it? Is there
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  Speaker 1: a more to the definition than that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's way more. So, I mean we all, hopefully
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  Speaker 2: we all have natural empathy. We don't know what we
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  Speaker 2: all of us don't, but we you know, hopefully that
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  Speaker 2: we do. And that's just like when we notice somebody's
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  Speaker 2: not feeling well, we have sympathy. It's more like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'll look at that person. You know, being an EmPATH
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  Speaker 2: is different. It's more it's not just about observing their state,
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  Speaker 2: it's we feel it. So it's like we absorb the
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  Speaker 2: emotion and all. Yeah, we take it on and you
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  Speaker 2: feel it like it's your feeling. So you can't tell
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  Speaker 2: the difference between you say, next to somebody's sad, all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're sad. You say, next to somebody
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  Speaker 2: that's in pain, all of a sudden, you're in pain.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like it's yours and that it's very confusing
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  Speaker 2: and challenging until you figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: So all right, you had this incredible gifts from very early.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a gift? Do we call it a gift?
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  Speaker 1: Indible gift? As a young kid, you're dealing with this,
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  Speaker 1: trying to stay on the rails not you know, keep
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  Speaker 1: yourself from thinking you're nuts. Supportive parents. Do you say
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  Speaker 1: to do you? How do you start to think about
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  Speaker 1: your your life in terms of Okay, I want to
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  Speaker 1: be what a therapist? I want to be? What do
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  Speaker 1: you what do you start to think?
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  Speaker 2: I was like twelve years old and I snuck into
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  Speaker 2: the movie Poltergeist because I wanted.
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  Speaker 1: To know.
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  Speaker 2: And there's the scene where there's a psychic in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: I like professional psychic, and she gives this little definition
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  Speaker 2: about like what's going on, like why what's a ghost?
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  Speaker 2: Why do some people get stuck? And what do you
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  Speaker 2: do about it? And I was like jaw dropped, Like
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  Speaker 2: first of all, somebody knew something. And it was in
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  Speaker 2: that moment I was like, I'm gonna do that. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna do that. I'm going to be a professional psychic.
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  Speaker 2: And I did. I started when I was nineteen. It
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  Speaker 2: was nuts. This was back in the eighties, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know why. I mean, I think just when you're nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: you think you can do things, so you do them right.
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  Speaker 2: And I was in college. I graduated from college and
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  Speaker 2: quickly learned I didn't have enough skill to really do
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  Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. So I went back to
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  Speaker 2: school and became a therapist. And for a long time
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  Speaker 2: I combined those two together, and then in you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the nineties, I learned reiki and added that into
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  Speaker 2: my work. And now mostly I write books and teach
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  Speaker 2: train other people who whose psychic abilities are awakening to
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  Speaker 2: manage their gifts. I would say my mission in life
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  Speaker 2: is a training army of dealers to go out there
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  Speaker 2: and save the planet.
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  Speaker 1: What is just defined psychic? What is the psychic?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are all psychic, so let's start with that.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone has a capacity for that. And I think that really,
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  Speaker 2: like I kind of love the old school definition ESP,
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  Speaker 2: which is like, we're we just have an expanded perception,
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  Speaker 2: so we're picking up on things that maybe other people don't.
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  Speaker 2: We're paying attention, you know, we filter out a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the sensory, you know, experiences that we're having. So
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  Speaker 2: I think psyche is for people that process more sensory
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  Speaker 2: data than other people, and that some of those senses
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  Speaker 2: expand beyond the physical into the realms of the energetic,
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  Speaker 2: right into the realm, even to the realm of spirit.
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  Speaker 2: So some psychic specialize in talking to dead people would
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  Speaker 2: call them mediums. I would say, I'm not a medium,
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  Speaker 2: but medium ship happens. Some psychics are, you know, sort
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  Speaker 2: of looking at scare glimpses of the future or the past.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that most of us have an intuition,
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  Speaker 2: is kind of a kind of psychic ability, and I
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  Speaker 2: think all of us have that, Like we every single
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  Speaker 2: human has had many, many psychic experiences. And it could
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  Speaker 2: be that little voice in your head that tells you
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  Speaker 2: to take your umbrella because it's going to rain, or
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  Speaker 2: take the back road today because there's a pile up
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  Speaker 2: on the highway, or you know that feeling you get
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  Speaker 2: when you meet somebody for the first time and you
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  Speaker 2: get the wiggies, or you feel something really like oh
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  Speaker 2: that person, that's like it. That's an intuitive impression, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes it's really dramatic, like like it was for me,
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  Speaker 2: like seeing dead people and angels and spirits and colors
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  Speaker 2: and you know, experiencing this other dimension or other world
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  Speaker 2: that is around us that not everyone has access to.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes it's just super practical, like we use it.
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  Speaker 2: We those hunches, nudges, the phone rings, you know it's
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  Speaker 2: your mom. In fact, you know the phone's gonna ring
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  Speaker 2: five minutes before it rings, and it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: your mom. How do we explain that? Like it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's very normal, It's very interwoven into our everyday life.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's part of our human birthright and
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  Speaker 2: that quite frankly, we wouldn't have evolved. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: we would have made it past gave Man Days if
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  Speaker 2: we weren't using this as part of our adaptive strategy
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  Speaker 2: of being humans.
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  Speaker 1: What would you say is your focused or specialty in
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  Speaker 1: this realm?
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  Speaker 2: Besides teaching and training other people. I think my specialty
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  Speaker 2: is really understanding people the level of the soul. So
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  Speaker 2: we have this sort of core essence of who we
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  Speaker 2: are that doesn't change, and if you believe in incarnation reincarnation,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't change between our lifetimes. We are we have
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  Speaker 2: this you know, original blueprint of who we really are,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what I read. So I might be looking
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  Speaker 2: at your past life history. I might be looking at
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  Speaker 2: what's amazing about you, what you came here to do,
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  Speaker 2: what your gifts are, what your future trajectory is, what
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  Speaker 2: is blocking you from living in your gifts, what your relationships,
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  Speaker 2: your soul contracts with your people are. That's what I
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  Speaker 2: really like to do the most, and I just do
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  Speaker 2: whatever shows up in my office, which is why I
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  Speaker 2: say things like mediumship happens, or you know, helping people
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  Speaker 2: make helping people who are stuck find a spiritual way forward,
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  Speaker 2: helping people who are in crisis understand things kind of
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  Speaker 2: from the soul's I view, that's all. I'm all that
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  Speaker 2: down for all of that. I don't do lottery numbers though.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people listening to this
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  Speaker 1: obviously are therapists or coaches of all kinds. Healers. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what do you? How do you interact with them? How
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  Speaker 1: do you work with them?
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  Speaker 2: What do you I work with them a lot and
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  Speaker 2: helping train them quite frequently. And I feel like all healers,
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  Speaker 2: all therapists, coaches are naturally intuitive. We are already using
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  Speaker 2: those gifts to dial in you know, I know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a coach or a therapist, or sometime you opened
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  Speaker 2: your mouth and you said something super extra cool that
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  Speaker 2: totally was like on point, and you're like what I
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  Speaker 2: was like? That was way more cool than I usually
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  Speaker 2: Where'd that come from?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And so that's an intuitive moment. That's a moment
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  Speaker 2: where you know you're higher self stepped in or your
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  Speaker 2: spirit guide stepped in, and you you were somebody's angel
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  Speaker 2: in that moment to say that, And I think the
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  Speaker 2: best therapists are use a combination of you know, their
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  Speaker 2: knowledge and experience guided with intuition. We feel, we feel
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  Speaker 2: what other people are feeling, and we have a way
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  Speaker 2: about works on it that you know, to witness it
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  Speaker 2: and other people that that's really incredibly healing. So I
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  Speaker 2: think they go together hand in glove. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't know any healers. Maybe if we get
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  Speaker 2: into like the real medical folks, that medical school sort
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  Speaker 2: of tends to beat this quality out of people.
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  Speaker 3: But besides that or not not even honor it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they they're coming at it from a different angle. Certainly,
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's changing now. But so would you say that
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  Speaker 3: you know you prefaced everything by saying, you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: all special. Yeah we are, but let's face it, not
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  Speaker 3: all of us have can say we have the access,
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  Speaker 3: the full access that you're talking about here, Is.
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  Speaker 1: That what it is? Would you say you have more
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  Speaker 1: doors are opened to your intuition than a lot of us.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's such a great question, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that this is a lot like musical ability is an ability.
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  Speaker 2: So I wrote a book called Awakening or Psychic Abilities,
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like it's like athletic ability or music ability.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody has some but if you look at you know,
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  Speaker 2: some people have more potential for others. It depends on
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  Speaker 2: what your purpose is in life. And whatever abilities we have,
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  Speaker 2: we need to practice. So we don't see a professional
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  Speaker 2: musician or athlete without we don't. We know they practice
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  Speaker 2: a lot. They've dedicated their life to, you know, reaching
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  Speaker 2: that level of mastery, and it if anyone can take
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  Speaker 2: their potential and develop it to their mastery anyone, if
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  Speaker 2: you're willing to do the work. It takes work to
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  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: So in terms of the healers who are listening, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a good question to ask, what are some
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  Speaker 1: things that maybe they can do to strengthen, strengthen this ability.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the easiest, quickest, most satisfying things
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  Speaker 2: to do is to start what I call a psychic journal,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and you just take a journal and you start writing
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: down your dreams, if you remember them, your hunches, your nudges,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: your impressions, if you're pulling oracle cards, write them down
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: in there. These psychic impressions we have are very ephemeral.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: They're a lot like dreams. They're very powerful in the moment,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and if we don't record it, they're kind of they're gone.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And then you know, you get a feeling something's going
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to happen on a Monday, and then by the time
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: it happens on a Wednesday, you might have forgotten about
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: it unless you wrote it down. And I think if
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: you start also, what we pay attention to tends to
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: grow develop strengthen. I always say, like when I wrote
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: a book about psychic development, I call it pay attention,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: but that that's not it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: But you know.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That that does really help. And then I think some
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you know, get a deck of oracle cards, start pulling them,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: that they really can help open the channels on this
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit more meditation. I think. The other thing
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we need to do is make time to quiet. We
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: have to be the These impressions come in into the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: right side of the brain, the intuitive side of the brain.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: We need to find waste when we're in the alpha
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: state brain wave state. So if you're constantly go, go, go,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: an analytical beta brain beta brain wave, you're not going
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to get it. And so we need a minute where
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: it's quiet. You know too, Maybe you just drive with
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the music off for a minute. Maybe you wash the dishes.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Is great. Here's a great exercise to try get your
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: psychic journal. Write a question and then do an activity
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: that engages your hands and your brain gently like wash
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the dishes, walk, take a shower, walk the dog full
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of the laundry with quiet, with no music or sound,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and then wait to see what arises. And that puts
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: you in the alpha brainwave state. Wait to see what
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: arises a hunch, a nudge, a feeling, a knowing, an
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: aha moment like oh that's the answer. Psychics get their
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: best hits in the shower.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It's like we you know, we relax, we calm down,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: we go into that alpha brain wave. Anyone can try
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: that and if you spend more time in the alpha
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: brain wave state and you pay attention, you're going to
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: notice and develop the skill a lot more.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And this skill that we're talking about here, is it
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: being more in tuned with ourselves and our own intuition
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: or is it are we talking about being more in
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: touch with everything around us? Or both?
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It's really both. And I make a slight distinction between
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: intuition and psychic. So for me, intuition is our inner knowing.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It's our inner wisdom, coming from your higher self, coming
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: from your instincts, coming from whatever you believe, your soul,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: whatever you believe in, whatever language works there for you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And that is that, Like we tend to feel that
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: in our bodies, in our our felt sense, like I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: have a good bad feeling about it, and our knowing,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: our inner knowing, I knew that was gonna happen, And
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that tends to be how our intuition comes to us,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and that is constantly happening. If you're paying attention. A
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: lot of times our mind comes in and ignores, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like that's silly, why why are you doing that? Like
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that's dumb, you know, so we kind of push it away.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Psychic is to me when we get information from outside
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: of our own system, and this might be we're reading
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the future a little bit, or we're I believe in
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: spirit guides because they see them all the time, Angels dead,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Uncle Fred, you know, the ascended masters who we all
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: have sort of a team of spiritual beings that are
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: here helping us, assisting us with our life. Thank goodness,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: because it would be hard to be here without them.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: And psychic is more that it's more tuning into information
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: from outside of ourselves. And the most common psychic experience.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I found this fascinating. There was a Gallup poll was
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: done in like the nineties. Then they interviewed quite a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: lot of people, like three thousand people, and eighty percent
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: of them confess to having this experience. It's called the
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: deathbed visitation, and it's having a dream or an experience
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: with somebody who just died. You dream Uncle Fred died,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and you dream about Uncle Fred that night, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Or you wake up in the middle of the night
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and Uncle Bed's standing at the foot of your bed,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: or you have a knowing like, oh gosh, how's Uncle Fred.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Like we we have this that eighty percent of people.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: This is not amazing, you know, and the same eighty
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: percent of people said they never told anybody about it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that is a really interesting distinction between intuition
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and psychic ability. You know, I think in our culture
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: there exists an impression of psychic and psychics and psychic
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: ability is Yeah, really is that changing?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Do you think?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I mean I think that's always been there,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and certainly there always has been Charlatan scammers, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: back from the early days of this spirit the spiritual
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: spiritualist movement, even back in the eighteen hundreds, so you know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: tea room readers like it. There there's sort of a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: certain amount of people who are are not ethical or
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: well trained, right, And you know, when I was going
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: through this in the sixties, seventies and eighties, it was
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: really not something you talked about. Psychic was like, you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: an eight hundred number or you know, like a nine
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: hundred number you pay for like five minutes, you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And that it's now and nowadays it's sort of like
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: psychics on TV, paranormal tvss on TikTok, you know, reiki
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: in hospitals, like it's all over social media, and I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a much varider acceptance for this. Maybe
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: there's something to this. And I think that also there
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: are more psychic people because as we do things like
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I always say the trifecta yoga, reiki, and meditation tend
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to open people's natural abilities. So I just see more
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and more psychic people than ever. And I don't know
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: if it's because we're becoming more psychic if we're just
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: allowed to talk about it, or and we're doing things
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that actually stimulate and open our psychic senses. I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it's sort of all of the above that we have.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: There's so much more leeway when certainly when I had
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: when I was growing up to talk about it, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I just you know, constantly flighted with people who are
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: having really strong psychic openings that need help. That's kind
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: of my specialty, one of my specialties. You know, you
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: took a reiki training, or you went to yoga teacher
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: training and you did you've been meditating a lot, or
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you know, you did some plant medicine or whatever it is,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: and now, boom, your psychic is really open and it
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: can be very You're having dreams, you're seeing things out
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of the corner of your eye, you're feeling the presence
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of you know, something around you, or those experiences can
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: be really disconcerting, frightening, scary, if you if we don't
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have if we don't have some help to help us
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: navigate that kind of opening.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: First of all, when you were growing up, you talked
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: about your parents and how supportive they were, and yet
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: there were times when you were like, you know, am
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I going to go off the rails? I think gonna
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: take me away? How did you get anchored? How did
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you keep grounded? Were you ever scared with these experience,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: by these experiences or what?
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: There were times I was scared pretty few the grounding,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just was. I think it
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was very athletic. So I did a lot of sports,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: and I studied martial arts. I really wanted to be
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a Jedi night, so I went to you know, I
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: went to martial arts school, and it was like kind
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of mystical, you know what I mean. It kind of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: gave me like plus, my parents were Unitarians, they really
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: were hippies, and I had sort of like a broader
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: framework that I could put these Star Wars you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: when Star Wars came out, and it gave me this
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: kind of like context for metaphysical context that I made
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: sense to me. It made sense of my experiences and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you know, the my lived experience. So I just felt
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: like I never felt like there was anything wrong with me.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I never felt like, you know, I just knew this
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: was what I was meant to do. I don't know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I was born with one of those people, born with
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: a very strong mission and knew from the beginning what
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting to me. You know, you're talking about.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: One of the things you're talking about is, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: developing our psychic ability, and we will put that in
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: context with healers or therapists or coaches. There's a combination.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: It's a very interesting profession, I think, because it's there's
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a combination of you know, knowledge book knowledge and understanding
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: certain techniques and modalities. And yet not unlike I guess
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: an artist or singer right whose instrument is themselves, therapists
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you're talking about developing that their ability, their psychic ability
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and themselves. That's a whole other aspect of development that
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: needs to happen, but so crucial.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Right absolutely. You know, when I went to therapy school,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I got all the book learning I needed and then
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I would put they put they put me in a clinic, right,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and I supervision and I that's where I really learned, Right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So the book knowledge is, you know, the the fundamental
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you know, frameworks and methodologies that we need are really important,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: but we also need that practice. We need practice, we
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: need feedback. So like I literally do supervision in my
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: psychic development classes where we run practice sessions we do,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: we give that feedback. And I also am extremely grateful
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: for that early training because I feel like it gave
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: me really solid framework to deal with people's trauma, because
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that is what I get day in and day out.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And so I'm my students are often coming to me
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: from the other direction. They're they're wiki practitioners, or they're
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: they're doing and they're they're entering into this therapeutic world
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: without that background. So I feel like one of my
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: jobs is to kind of help them. What do you
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: do when someone's suicidal? What do you do when someone
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: has severe addiction or mental health issues, which is you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: bereavement loss. I just see that in my practice, like
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: you know, like everybody else, like all the other therapists
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and coaches do. And I feel like the training that
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I had gave me really solid skills for helping people
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: through trauma and also really strong ethical background. So one
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: of my one of the things my little hobby horses
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: is teaching ethics to psychics to healers who maybe I
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: feel like that's a really really important conversation to have,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and we need some kind of professional guidelines around when
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: do we share our psychic information and how do we
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: how do we do that in a way that doesn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: violate other people's bull.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, give us say a little more about that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So a lot of times like newbie psychics, newbie reaking practitioners,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And I think that this comes about from watching TV,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: watching the psychic on TV, you know, who just walks
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: into somewhere in bolarts out random psychic information with out
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: asking the person's permission. Right, So I think that's that's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: a practice that creates a lot of difficulty for that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: That's not cool to do that, right. So I really
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: have a don't ask, don't tell policy, like I'm not
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: going to tell you anything unless you ask. I don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: share psychic information without asking, without permission, you know, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: even in the middle of a session, I might you know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: say it well, I'm feeling a past life. Is that
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: okay to talk about it? I don't assume that it
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: is asking for permission during every step of the process.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Can I touch you? Because I work with my hands
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: on people. Are you comfortable being touched? Can we talk
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: about this? How do you feel about that? You know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: so that I'm constantly referring that choice back to my
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: client and not making assumptions about what is okay with
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: them and what isn't. And I know plenty of people
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: will run into a lot of trouble with psychics who
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: blurted out in public really personal information or really wrong information.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You know, we we as psychics, people tend to really
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: believe what we say. I mean, some people don't. But
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: you know, you have to plant, be careful about the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: seeds you plant. And somebody, especially if you're doing energy work,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: they're in an altered state. They're sort of that in
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that hypnogogic state, and you know, you know, oh my god,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I think you have cancer and the doctors will never
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: find it. I've heard that one. I've done a lot
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: of clean up sessions for people who have been you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you know, run over by psychics with bad ethics.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: My guess today is Lisa Campion, author, teacher, Lisa, what
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: are you working on at present? What's going on?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I'm writing another book. I don't know, I don't know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I know, I don't know why
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I keep doing this. It's the sixth book, and it's
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: this one's really fun. It's called Sacred Reparenting, Spiritual and
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Intuitive Healing for your Inner Child. So wow, I'm doing
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: an inner childbook from more of a psychic spiritual perspective,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and right now it's it's killing me, but I'll be
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: so proud of myself when it's done. That's what I got.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Awesome, all right? So how do people learn more about
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you and what you're doing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: They can find me at Lisacampion dot com. Definitely stop
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: by visit. I have a lot of free resources on
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: my website. I have a YouTube channel. You can check
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: out a lot of free resources too, in a podcast
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: called the Miracle of Healing.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Awesome, and we'll have all that linked up here at
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Lisa,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: love you so inspiring. Love to have you back at
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a later date. It seems like there's a lot to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: talk about, but really appreciate you being here.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Guy. All Right, we'll be in touch them. Posiple F