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PODCAST: Episode 782 - Richie Cavalera of Incite Talks "Savage New Times" Album · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  Really is that long But I look at it like a privilege and honor
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  of damn I'm so lucky man. I never thought it would have
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  made it past that first lineup in EP and all that because that
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  was just a ruckus mess. Well, time.
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  What's up everybodyitskeithy@ghostcultman.com
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  I am once again honestly so lucky to hang out and talk to
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  Richie Cavallera from Insight. How you doing brother?
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  Ah. Always good, man, especially
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  when I'm rapping with Ghost Colt and Keith man.
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  Always a pleasure, man. Good.
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  To see you. Always good to see you man.
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  I've run into you at shows when you're slick in merch.
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  I see you on the road with your band.
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  I mean, we've, we've been lucky to follow you, you, you have
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  this band almost 20 years, over 20 years now technically because
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  the first EP was 21 years ago. So man, first of all, wow.
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  Right. Because to do anything for a
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  long time and stay consistent, it's hard.
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  So props to you. Thank you, man.
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  Yeah, it's crazy hearing that and all the interviews.
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  It's like, fuck, it really is that long.
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  But I I look at it like a privilege and honor of damn I'm
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  so lucky man. I never thought it would have
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  made it past that first lineup in EP and all that shit because
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  that was just a ruckus mess. Well, I mean, everybody's first
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  thing, right is like a hurry, you know, like I've worked hard
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  at this for a while, but then it kind of snowballs with time,
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  right? Time is the big enemy of all of
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  all things, right? Just we're in a constant state
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  of ebb and flow with it. And but yeah, man, I mean 7/7
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  full length albums in a couple of banging EPS, like, you know,
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  everybody says this is your best work is definitely the hardest
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  insight record. There's no fall off.
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  I like that you're trying new things vocally.
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  And I wanted to jump in. So we were talking a little bit
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  offline about Lane coming into the band and you said that he
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  had a big hand in writing this record.
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  So what was it like this writing process go around for you?
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  I mean this is like the freest 1 I think we've ever had.
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  You know, we did like 5 records prior to Wake Up Dead that we're
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  all kind of just like rap shoots in the way the the recording,
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  the writing was put together. So I think we always had great
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  things on records. But as you know, it just, it
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  didn't hit to where we knew we could get this band to.
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  You know, Wake of Dead became that that pivotal moment where
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  we let Lennon become a writer and really just drive the band
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  to where we wanted to go. Removing the X guitar player
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  that had done the previous records, just like, you know,
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  just put a stale taste in our mouth during the recording and
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  writing and stuff like that to where it was just like imploded
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  and it was like, all right, let's get this right.
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  Let's do it right. This is probably the the way it
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  needs to be and Lane coming in just completed that.
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  You know, Lennon L and me trio that needed that other guy, man,
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  and he he's just been a blessing.
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  He's so humble. He works his ass off.
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  He loves doing this. He loves, you know, like we
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  don't have roadies, we don't have all that glamorous tour
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  bus, all that stuff. So you've got to be cool with
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  riding in the van. You've got to be cool doing your
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  own gear. And he has.
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  And then then proceeding on to writing it just, it just floored
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  us what he was able to bring to the table.
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  You know, he wasn't afraid to introduce things to us.
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  He wasn't afraid to be like, yo, check this out or speak up and
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  really be involved. And that was just incredible.
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  And, you know, usually we'd always done it through like
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  e-mail or, you know, you know, Dropbox and shit like that.
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  So we, we had Lennon and him actually get together for quite
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  a few weeks and actually write together.
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  And I think that's, that's what you're hearing.
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  You're hearing this, this growth, this organic feel, this
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  fresh feeling, a rebirth of insight, kind of putting it all
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  together finally, you know, taking everything we've done in
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  the past, putting it on one record and making it even better
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  and more expansive. Oh.
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  I love that so much for you. And Elle is one of my favorite
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  people because I played bass and and Elle is one of my favorite
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  people performers in the business.
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  And it's good that you you got at least that one pillar guy.
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  He's been with you a very long time, probably the longest
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  serving member of the band beside you, obviously your band.
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  But yeah, it's really cool to be able to also still have that,
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  you know, those new fresh things with the guy that's been with
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  you a long time. Keeping it, you know, keeping it
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  fresh and not and and being able to kind of still have that
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  consistency is important. Yeah, I think that's why it's
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  lasted as long as having, you know, Ellen Lennon in me.
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  I think now it's 13 years. The three of us have done this
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  and that. That makes it worth so much
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  more. You know, when when you finally
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  have that consistency like over half of the band now has, you
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  know, over the, the half of the lifetime of the band, those guys
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  have been there with me and we've been through so much crap
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  and shit. Good times.
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  That fucking awesome to feel like the vibe everybody's
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  getting from this album, how everybody's digging lane.
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  And you know that that's cool. You know, we didn't just blow up
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  the 1st 2 records. We, we did a nice incline and
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  we're able to create albums of not chasing the predecessor.
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  And I think that's the coolest thing about Insight.
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  And that's really hard in this day and age in the music
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  business. And a shout out to your recent
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  new label, Raining Phoenix Music, who are doing the
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  phenomenal job with Y'all and every band they have.
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  Because it's really can't. We're in this kind of singles
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  era where pop and and hip hop and rap and in the country and
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  other styles of music are really always chasing that next high,
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  that next big surge. And I think for rock and metal,
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  we're still, you know, it's nice when something big happens, like
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  the recent Ghost and Sleep Token records.
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  Whether you like those bands or not, it's huge for rock and
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  metal to have bands with the number one record.
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  It's a rarity for us these days, so it's really cool to actually
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  hear that you're allowed to do that.
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  You're giving yourself the agency to keep doing that.
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  Because I do think there's a kind of a rut that the major
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  metal labels and rock labels can fall into where they're trying
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  to get the bands to the next plateau.
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  And that's important. You got to keep getting better
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  or can't do this anymore. Like every job, if you fuck up
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  the fries at McDonald's, you can't work at McDonald's
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  anymore. And so you can't turn in a bad
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  record. But like just the ability to be
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  yourself naturally and authentically, I think that's
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  really important. Instead of just, oh, we brought
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  in the Super producer to make the click track and then this
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  and that. It's like, no, like they wanted
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  you to be you and that's why they signed you.
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  Yeah, and really cool thing about our just our path is, you
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  know, we we never jumped to the chance to be with those big time
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  people. We were always with the most
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  underground independent label because it allowed us to have
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  the freedom to work with people like, you know, Matt Hyde and
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  all Steve Evans and, you know, Dan Seagrave an artist, and
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  Andrei Buzikoff an artist. And that that's just been the
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  most incredible feeling, you know, having someone that's
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  believed in us for so long, like Minus Said Records and Brad
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  Hardy to get us to this place. I don't think any other lineup
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  or any other record phase could have been prepared to grow and
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  be really big. I think now with what we've been
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  through and where we've been now, we're putting this fucking
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  incredible team together from RPM and Gerardo and Oscar to,
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  you know, C ^2 PR to our new management FM music, who, you
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  know, Testament and Exodus and Death Angel and all these bands
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  that are really old school legacy bands that you know, are
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  proving to be bigger now than they may have ever been.
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  And that's because of the team, man.
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  And I never realized how important that it was, you know,
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  to, to really taking your bands to the next level is having
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  everybody in the right place, man, from an agent to the band
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  members to, you know, the record label and everything in between.
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  So I think we're seeing that happen now.
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  And that's the cool thing I think about metal is it's a,
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  it's a thing that usually takes bands, you know, 10-15 years to
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  really get to that next level. So we really nurtured
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  development and the metal scene opposed to those other ones
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  where they're just, you know, shitting out what's hot and you
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  may never hear from them again tomorrow.
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  So metal is great like that, man.
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  Fans are metal heads are great and accepting a band and going
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  on the ride with them, you know? Right on.
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  There's actual data that says metal fans are the most loyal
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  fans of music of any of the streaming services and stuff
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  like that. For what it's worth, for what
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  it's worth, we're the most loyal repeat listeners, which shows.
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  And so the new album is Savage New Times, right?
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  And coming out on Raining Phoenix in August.
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  So we're getting to talk about this a little early.
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  I've been lucky to hear this thing a few times and I'm so
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  digging it. And I want to start with one
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  thing. I know you mentioned Steve and
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  I'm going to get to him in a second, but I feel like your
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  lyrics are always really underrated because I've seen you
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  live and you're so ferocious live and I think people are just
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  blown away if they hadn't already been familiar with you
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  like new fans. But I really love you really
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  went in on some really cool lyrics on this record.
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  Much more, I think, like very personal but also kind of
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  topical. And I wanted to ask you what
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  some of your inspirations were for this record.
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  Yeah, the style totally to me really exploded in, you know,
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  one might start working with Steve and each record from
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  oppression on got a little bit more better, you know, the, the
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  the presence became more refined, the lyrical patterns
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  and the word usage became more refined to where, you know, wake
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  up dead hit. And I, I felt like I was really
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  coming into my own as a lyricist and a performer at the same
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  time, which was so exciting. I was really diving into what I
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  was writing and how I was writing it and making it hit
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  harder with less, you know, and I feel I accomplished that on
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  this record. This this to me is like the
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  Richie I've been looking for that I knew was fucking in there
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  in terms of the studio process, you know, the live guy.
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  I think I've I've got that, you know, but it was like putting
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  the studio with what I can do live and how I do a live that it
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  just it clicked on this one man. We we tried songs like just a
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  rat. I think that that kind of broke
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  the mold with the last word deadbeat, you know, to think,
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  Oh, I can, you know, go to this style and have it be really
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  cool. So to hit that again, but even
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  harder with just a rat was so much fun.
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  And then songs like, you know, chucked off.
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  I think the lyrical play that I work on those lines is so
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  fucking cool, man, And I never really been that fired up for my
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  my lines, you know, So I felt like I was really nailing it
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  there, you know, and Dolores a whole new vocal style that I I
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  never knew I could do. It was just a matter of like,
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  Hey, I just got to got to try it.
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  You know, I had to pass Elle's test of it being heavy enough
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  and cool enough, you know, or else I was so scared dude, to
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  like show him these lyrics in this song.
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  But I'm like, dude, this is the music.
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  Like it has to be this way. And, you know, he came up with
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  the really cool idea of having the deep voice for the chorus
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  that emulate like the black metal old school kind of feel to
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  the thing. And yeah, just, it came out
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  great, man. And I'm, I'm really impressed
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  with Steve Evans again, what him pushing me, man.
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  Like he he did it in the best way.
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  Like he would just be like, dude, I'm working with you.
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  You're you're better than this. We can be better than this.
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  And, you know, really dissecting the lyrics and being like, what
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  does this mean to you? You know, that that was that was
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  something different. And it was just, man, it, it
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  just made me feel like I've got this shit going in the right
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  direction better than I ever have.
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  And I feel really excited to begin riding the next one.
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  Awesome man, I'm so glad to hear it.
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  Yeah, just a rat is banging. It's got fire bars.
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  I think we know you could rhyme and and and drop a flow like
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  almost a rap verse, but like it's real prevalent there and
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  you really, you know, but it's also still like a metal song.
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  But it's it's hard man and I love how hard you go.
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  It's like kind of a, you know, a new element.
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  I think about Randy Bly when he started to do melodic vocals
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  after like 25 years in Lamb of God and Burn the Priest.
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  And he was like, I finally found a song that meant enough for me
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  to try a melody. And Dan was like, OK, cool,
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  we'll just trust you. And I like that you have the
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  same kind of vibe with your guys.
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  Yeah, man, it felt like every song there was something we were
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  touching on that was new and just expanding on the boundaries
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  and what we had always been I. Love hearing it.
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  And then so also because you mentioned Lane and these songs
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  with Lane and Lennon coming in and really taking over that
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  process. Did they make stuff that was
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  just tailor made for you because they've worked with you for so
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  long, they know what you will flow well with?
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  Or did they push themselves to us?
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  Because I hear a lot of interesting, different stuff
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  than any of your other records on here.
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  Just just for, honestly. Yeah, I think that had a lot to
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  do with it. Lennon, you know, playing with
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  me. And like our old writer, he
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  would write what he what he cared about what what what
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  didn't give a shit about the input of other people.
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  So now to have Lennon doing it where he is like, you know, the
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  guy, he's been there for so long.
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  He understands what I'm good at, what I'm not good at, what the L
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  is good at. So that that really created the
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  songs to to to shift into more of what we've always been
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  searching for this this energy and things that we were able to
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  do live. And now you're hearing that
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  first class on the record and Lane coming in with so much
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  artistic ability to the drop in and play piano like you did on
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  Dolores. So then do 12 string on doubts
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  and the fears, like he just really was able to do things
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  that we hadn't had. And you know, his his soloing
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  ability is just incredible. His lead work is incredible.
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  I think his tone is nasty. Like I think that's what stands
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  out to me so much on this record is that guitar tone.
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  It's like, damn, like you don't forget it.
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  And I love that. And his live performance
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  literally meets up to what he's doing on that record.
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  So for people that haven't seen him, to get to see what he does
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  and shred like he does is just going to be so exciting for
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  metal heads across the country. And yeah, the process was just
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  better. And every aspect, you know, and
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  him being such a huge part of that, we even went to like, you
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  know, always be recorded, brother.
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  And it'd be like Orange County, sunny, real laid back kind of
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  environment. And this one was like, we went
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  to New Jersey freezing cold in winter in the the hood, man.
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  And then, you know, gunshots at night.
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  You're not sleeping, you're fucking, you're in it.
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  And we really dived into this record fully because of the
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  environment changing, not being so, you know, sunny and happy,
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  which is cool as well. That's amazing, and there's a
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  reason why Black Sabbath is from Birmingham, Maryland and The
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  Beach Boys are from California. But also, I do feel like there
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  is a very gritty East Coast, a little bit East Coast hardcore,
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  which you've always had a love for, you know, you grew up
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  around it. And so Steve, I'm so glad you as
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  always helping me with my segways, like Telepathy.
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  I was going to talk about the guitar also the guitar tone.
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  Like I finally feel like the sound of this record matches the
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  material in the best possible way.
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  And Steve is a genius. I wanted to ask you if you had
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  any favorite records of Steve's before you started working with
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  him, because he's so versatile and so great for so long.
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  I really don't actually know how he does it.
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  When you look up his discords, everybody, the guy is a beast.
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  He's done every band you like. He's either recorded them or
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  somebody influenced by them. For real.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what I love
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  so much about his ideas that he brings to the table.
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  It's just his broad spectrum of music that he messes with from
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  Prong, who I think was a huge influence on me from like the
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  early, you know, Prong, Pantera, Subalternator, where I really
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  got to see Tommy. And, you know, we toured with
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  him later to totally bond and, you know, talked about Steve
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  quite a bit on that tour. And Perseverance, I think by Hey
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  Breed is the one that stands out with me that got me interested
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  to look in Steve's direction. And obviously like Suicide
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  Silence. And my uncle had done a sepultur
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  record actually with him and, you know, talk nothing but good
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  things about Steven. When we first met him, it was
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  like, dude, you're, you're the 5th member.
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  You know, like he comes in and you know, he's got his notebook
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  and he's fucking dialed in. But he's really always happy and
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  smiling and he gets the dance going and he's involved with all
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  the jokes and it just really makes the situation comfortable
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  where you're like, I will trust this guy and everything he says.
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  Not only because of his catalog that he's done, but who he is as
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  a person. And I think that's why we've had
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  him for four records now in a row and just love him more and
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  more. We call him Party V and he, he
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  just dialed in man. His process really got better
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  now too, with us, like him having his own studio again back
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  in New Jersey or in his element. It became just a different
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  project from all the three we had done with him.
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  You know, the atmosphere was a huge change of pace.
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  And again, just him constructing the songs with us, you know,
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  going through them with a fine comb and knowing what the band
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  is and can do just really contributes, you know, I think
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  changing the artist or the producer too much can not be the
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  best thing. You know, I worked with a couple
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  people at the beginning and it was always different and, you
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  know, just so much in the air to where you can really focus on
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  jam and like, like we can get to now with Steven, It'll probably
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  be him for the rest of our our career, I would think.
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  And you know, we we brought an Arthur risk, which was
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  phenomenal too, man. Like him to put the final
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  touches on mastering was just like, whoa, so much beef came
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  in. And you know, hear him how fired
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  up he was about it with how much he's done was really cool too,
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  you know? And he's also a hella
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  accomplished producer himself. And guitar player and artist.
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  And yeah, I was going to say it's fun to know that Steve's
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  element is the hood with gunshots.
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  And you know, we have many. Prong is one of my favorite
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  bands ever. I have many Tommy stories.
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  We've interviewed Tommy a ton. I knew Tommy from the CBG these
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  days before prong got big. And I was always a huge prong
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  worshipper in the music that I made and even we'll make in the
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  future. So super cool, man.
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  And I love hearing all that, all of that, you know, introspection
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  about the process and stuff like that.
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  That's what I like personally, if someone were to interview me,
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  I want to be asked about this, this stuff.
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  And as a fan, I was always curious about like the what the
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  goings on are. It's always a good thing when
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  you give a produce When a producer earns a nickname from
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  the band and not from a bad reputation, that's always a
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  plus. Oh, man, and we we do the the
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  joke from cable guy where it's like we'll be on the headphones
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  in the booth and you're like, Steven, are you there Steven?
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  You know, it's so he's just there's it's such a light
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  hearted field. But then when you start
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  recording, man, he's he's up your ass dude, But like hit this
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  and you know, it's like a dad at the same time.
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  It's so cool. Word.
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  I'm so glad you talked about art earlier.
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  I know you and I are big nerd nerd people and record
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  collectors and music lovers. You know, I know it's very
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  controversial these days about AI or AI is and everything,
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  right? We're not going to really get
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  rid of it. And it's really machine learning
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  and not actual like the Cyberdyne Terminator AI.
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  It's actually machine learning. That's what we're all kind of
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  using everyday tech and you know, text, photo editing, video
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  editing, little shortcuts and things.
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  It's supposed to make our life better.
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  But also, you come from a family of artists and makers and
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  creators, and so why is it important to you?
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  I wanted to talk about album artwork.
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  Your photography was dope. Shout out to our girl Kim
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  Hanson, who does photography for Ghost Co also, as well as bands
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  and festivals and things. Shout out to her.
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  I love those photos of y'all in the diner and stuff like that
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  and just chilling. It feel very most photo shoots
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  don't look natural. Press photos are all like very
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  like hardcore and you guys look very chill and in your element
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  and stuff. But I wanted to talk about
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  specifically like why it's important to you to have real
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  artwork on things and and you know, it's helpful.
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  Technology is helpful. We we're here instead of in
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  person, which is amazing. I'm in San Francisco and you're
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  elsewhere. But you know, I do feel like
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  we're, I don't want to get to a point where artists don't get
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  paid for art, whether it's creators, makers or, you know,
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  whoever. Especially album artwork and
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  things like that is really important to me.
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  Oh, I agree 1000%, Elle, you know, Lennon and me and Lane are
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  all huge on artwork. You know, we, we, we were the
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  kids going in the vinyl shops and buying something based off
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  just to cover, you know? So for us, that's something this
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  man's always taking serious. From Dan Seagrave doing Up in
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  Hell and the Oppression cover, I mean Legend to Andre Buzakoff
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  doing Built to Destroy and now Marcelo Vasco doing Savage New
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  Times. It's it's beyond important to us
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  and especially it being real artists doing it.
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  You know that that to me it will always be.
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  I think the thing that can separate human and machine is
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  creating a song that's original and heartfelt, creating art that
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  makes you question in existence, you know, that that is what
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  makes us human is that ability to have imagination and create
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  that thing. So it's big to us.
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  And I hope, you know, bands don't just fall back on that and
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  take an easy way to, you know, write their lyrics or, you know,
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  whatever use it could be. You know, I know Dan Seagravey
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  draws all his by hand and paints them.
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  Andre does a lot of the same ideas too.
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  And Marcelo also, you know, so we we love, you know, looking at
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  a vinyl and just feeling that and really knowing that there
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  was a dude that like created this out of his mind just from
• 21:24
  listening to our record, you know?
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  Right. On it, I think that album, that
• 21:29
  album shade matches my shirt. I got to get me one.
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  It's sick, man. He he redesigned us a brand new
• 21:37
  logo for the new kind of inside 2 point O feel that we have, you
• 21:42
  know, and the artwork just it speaks to the savage New Times
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  of life or personal days or whatever the hell you're going
• 21:49
  through, you know. We're all going through it, man.
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  We had a psychotic break globally and now we're back.
• 21:54
  But nobody's the same. It's kind of crazy.
• 21:56
  It is. True.
• 21:58
  Man, it's wild. That's time warp.
• 22:01
  You know, I said I said something to a friend of mine
• 22:03
  and she was like, what do you expect me to raw dog life
• 22:05
  without like my my weed like I can't function.
• 22:08
  What's the good spot near you in Southern California for a
• 22:11
  dispensary? If I'm going down there for a
• 22:13
  visit and I need like a pen or a a pre roll or something.
• 22:16
  I mean, I go up to Long Beach and I hit the backpack boys,
• 22:20
  man. I mean, they're hands down doing
• 22:22
  it. You know, with all the best
• 22:24
  growers out there with the best strains, the best vape pens you
• 22:27
  can get, the hash hold, fat joints, you know, really good
• 22:31
  prices on Mondays. They got like the 15% off the
• 22:34
  store and it's never that busy. So shout out to them for always
• 22:38
  providing that sweet relief, as we call it, you know?
• 22:41
  All right, I'll link them in the description along with all your
• 22:43
  stuff. Just the last couple of
• 22:45
  questions, man. I know you got a big, this is
• 22:47
  going to run closer to the album drop in August, but I know you
• 22:50
  got a big summer of touring. Is there anything else later in
• 22:53
  the year you can talk about that will be timely when this this
• 22:57
  interview drops and the album drops?
• 22:59
  Yeah, I mean, we still have two more singles that we're going to
• 23:01
  put out, so we're going to end up putting 5 out.
• 23:03
  So you're ready to check those out.
• 23:05
  We have killer videos for him. The next single Lies, we had
• 23:09
  everybody in the crowd film with their phones, man, and send us
• 23:12
  that footage. So we're compiling all that to
• 23:15
  make a really cool idea video for them to enjoy.
• 23:18
  And then yeah, we should be, you know, on Summer Slaughter.
• 23:22
  And then we'll have another video coming out done by Jim
• 23:25
  Liboli doing it again. Did the just for just a rap
• 23:29
  video. So I'm fucking excited to see
• 23:32
  that. And then I think we'll have
• 23:34
  another tour in September, October with Barnes, 6 feet
• 23:40
  under and those good dudes. Not announced or confirmed yet,
• 23:44
  but that should be on the books by that time.
• 23:46
  And can't wait to jam with him, you know.
• 23:48
  Such a good humble dude and awesome.
• 23:50
  So killer. I got to meet Jim Laveau once
• 23:52
  about 10 years ago and he was fantastic.
• 23:54
  And it wasn't quite doing all the music videos.
• 23:57
  He was just kind of dipping his foot into that then.
• 23:59
  And he was wonderful to hang out with and meet.
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  I, I, I saw him at a festival I came out to Arizona for.
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  Back in. 2015 he was incredible really quick.
• 24:09
  By the way, I really hope I I know you're not the right person
• 24:13
  to ask about this. I should probably ask your mom,
• 24:16
  but Max Cavallera dynasty show, we got to cover that shout out
• 24:21
  to my dude Chris Elliott and of course Annie Atlasman, who's
• 24:24
  also, you know, worked in the business and also a great
• 24:27
  photographer and a ghost cultist as well.
• 24:29
  And that show was, I felt like I was there from reading that
• 24:32
  incredible review and seeing those photos.
• 24:34
  And I feel like I would love to see that be an annual thing.
• 24:38
  I don't know if it can always work with the touring, but it
• 24:40
  would be cool if it would come back because I think I would try
• 24:43
  to come out for one. We can hang chill all day, watch
• 24:47
  all the bands. It seemed like a really
• 24:49
  incredible experience all around.
• 24:50
  Yeah, I love that. I think that's like the the,
• 24:52
  the, the next evolution of, you know, the Dana show that they
• 24:56
  had done for, you know, 20 plus years.
• 24:58
  So we were excited to be a part of that and I felt like the
• 25:01
  vibe, the the family, the the metal scene, everybody that was
• 25:06
  there really loved it and appreciated it.
• 25:08
  And, you know, there's so many formulas of bands that we can
• 25:11
  use that have always been a part of Max and Cavallera and all of
• 25:15
  us, you know. So I would imagine that's going
• 25:17
  to be something you'll see. I think Salt Fly has a tour at
• 25:21
  the end of the year, so that's probably where it'll be, you
• 25:24
  know, circled around. But yeah, no, we'll, we'll be a
• 25:26
  part of it if it is. Because like you said, it was,
• 25:28
  it was a freaking blast, man. I would absolutely come out to
• 25:32
  to Phoenix for it if it comes back and I'm sure we'll cover it
• 25:35
  no matter what. Just the last question, bro, I
• 25:38
  always try to get you, I tripped you up a couple of times, not on
• 25:41
  purpose, but I like to ask a wild card question at the end.
• 25:44
  So I I look back through the times we've chatted before and I
• 25:47
  was like, what did I ask him? What did I ask him?
• 25:49
  So I wanted to know for the wild card final question, what is
• 25:52
  your favorite movie of all time? Does it could be any genre
• 25:54
  anytime? I would say Animal House.
• 25:57
  You know, I was, I was addicted to that dude for like my Stoner,
• 26:02
  you know, teen years, dude. I would just get high all the
• 26:04
  time and watch that and that that one kills me every time,
• 26:08
  man. I I can't get over that enough.
• 26:11
  Belushi kills it. Yeah, dude, there's, there's so
• 26:14
  many more lines. I actually made my fiance, she
• 26:17
  had never seen. And I watched it with her about
• 26:18
  six months ago and she was just fucking just stunned, you know,
• 26:22
  because they don't make movies like that anymore.
• 26:25
  That kind of just real raw good humor.
• 26:27
  It couldn't even get. Made today probably.
• 26:29
  And you know, Belushi, I feel like he was so punk rock, right,
• 26:33
  as a dude, just his style in life.
• 26:35
  Like, yeah, you know, louder and.
• 26:38
  Just the cast is so legendary when you like look at who is in
• 26:42
  that. You're just like, what the hell
• 26:44
  in there? I just kill it.
• 26:45
  All right. Yeah, phenomenal.
• 26:47
  Listen, thank you so much once again, Richie and the first
• 26:50
  family of metal Decavillere is always a pleasure, brother.
• 26:53
  I will see you next time, hopefully in person when you
• 26:55
  either come to my town or I go to see you on tour.
• 26:58
  And, you know, again, these are these are a treat for me.
• 27:00
  You're not supposed to have favorite people in the business,
• 27:02
  but you're one of my, you know, you're one of my peeps and my
• 27:04
  favorites. And I appreciate you supporting
• 27:08
  us back as we have supported you.
• 27:09
  So thank you. Hey, thank you.
• 27:11
  So much, man, to watch us kind of both grow and things just
• 27:14
  evolve and get cooler as time went on, man, it's been great
• 27:17
  and much love to you and everybody.
• 27:20
  Let's get it. Word.
• 27:21
  Let's get it. Watch the New Times.
• 27:23
  August 15th. Oh yeah, here we go.
• 27:25
  Records fall in here. You can pull it up.
• 27:26
  There it is. It was asking to be shown.
• 27:29
  Yeah, buy them. Shits buy them.
• 27:31
  Please don't. Yeah, don't steal them.
• 27:33
  Don't you know, Spotify's cool, but like, buy something.
• 27:36
  Please buy stuff from bands. Keep them alive.
• 27:38
  Thanks, man. We'll see you soon.
• 27:39
  Have a good one, brother.