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10-08-26 - Avs fall to Jets 3-2/Payton taking back playcalling?/Payton or Webb - nothing changes · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is the Appetizer Hour with Brett Cain on demand.
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  Speaker 2: Seven seconds left. Last chance here. McKinnon all the way through.
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  Speaker 2: Cadry holding.
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  Speaker 3: Shooting.
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  Speaker 4: Got a deflection.
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  Speaker 1: It went wide.
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  Speaker 2: McKinnon one more try.
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  Speaker 4: He's got the puck in the corner.
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  Speaker 2: Time has won out. And the Canada Life Center in
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  Speaker 2: Winnipeg continues to be a house of horrors for the
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  Speaker 2: Colorado Avalanche. They just can't win in this building. Mercifully,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have to come back here until March. Final
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  Speaker 2: score in Winnipeg, Jets 3, Avalanche 2.
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  Speaker 5: McGahee is right. That place is a house of horrors.
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  Speaker 5: The Avs dropped their first game of the year in Winnipeg.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a place where it, You don't play well.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know if it's unmotivated, if it's difficult
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  Speaker 5: when you go and play.
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  Speaker 4: You play up in Canada, you do a little Canadian circuit. Although,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the.
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  Speaker 5: Avs just felt like, first time we'll say it this year,
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  Speaker 5: felt like they ran into a goalie who just made
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  Speaker 5: some really, really good stops. Um, Skinner was awesome. And
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  Speaker 5: sometimes that's going to happen. I mean, you got a
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  Speaker 5: team that's walking in here with, you know, averaging seven
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  Speaker 5: goals a game in the first couple of games and
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  Speaker 5: they out shoot you 34 to 19. I mean, the
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  Speaker 5: abs did, I think play more than well enough to
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  Speaker 5: win that game, but Skinner was great. And sometimes that's
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  Speaker 5: going to happen. No, got on the board first with
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  Speaker 5: the Jaden Schwartz goal. Svechkov gets his first goal as
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  Speaker 5: an av as he ties it up 2-2 in the third.
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  Speaker 5: And you had a couple of different moments where Ring
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  Speaker 5: went off a post.
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  Speaker 4: Out in front. I mean, the save that.
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  Speaker 5: Skinner made early on Cale McCarr, who rifled one at
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  Speaker 5: about 102 miles an hour. Later in the game, you
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  Speaker 5: had Marty Natchez, who I have no idea how Skinner
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  Speaker 5: got back to that side of the net, made a
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  Speaker 5: hell of a push, and made a save.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody from last night should be super
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  Speaker 4: upset with this. The Avs weren't going to go 84-0.
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  Speaker 4: Playing in Winnipeg is hard.
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  Speaker 5: And playing against a goaltender who makes saves like that,
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  Speaker 5: like Skinner's been on a heater.
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  Speaker 4: Here to start the year. He's 2-0-1.
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  Speaker 5: He's faced 100 shots in the first three games. And
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  Speaker 5: out of those 100 shots, he's made 92 saves. Like
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  Speaker 5: he's just, he was really, really solid for him. And
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  Speaker 5: what's funny is there's probably a motivation for him. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Stuart Skinner is somebody who he's been the guy. He
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  Speaker 5: was in Edmonton last year, was in Pittsburgh last year.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't feel like he had a permanent home kind of anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: And now he sees an opportunity with Connor Halibut, who
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  Speaker 5: is suspended from the team, but also is basically said,
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  Speaker 5: I am not coming back here.
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  Speaker 4: Trade me.
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  Speaker 5: And he thinks he's got an opportunity to take over
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  Speaker 5: as a permanent goaltender in Winnipeg. Uh, Texas Skinner was
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  Speaker 5: not great.
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  Speaker 4: He was just okay.
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  Speaker 5: Finishing was the problem with the abs. I mean, kind of,
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  Speaker 5: but Skinner made some gigantic saves. Like he robbed the
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  Speaker 5: abs on more than a couple occasions. And in a
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  Speaker 5: game that was two, two in the third period, And
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  Speaker 5: we know what happens when the Avs get.
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  Speaker 4: One on the board.
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  Speaker 5: They tend to come in bunches. I don't think that
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  Speaker 5: he was just okay. I thought he was really good.
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  Speaker 5: And let's not pretend that finishing is an avalanche problem. Again,
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  Speaker 5: they had 14 goals for the first couple of games.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that the Avs, you know, did they
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  Speaker 5: play perfect?
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  Speaker 3: No. No.
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  Speaker 5: But I thought they played a decent game last night.
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  Speaker 5: They just weren't rewarded for some of the things that
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  Speaker 5: they did well. And that happens. You know, and I
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  Speaker 5: said this yesterday. I said, Moshe, who's the guy who
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  Speaker 5: kills the the abs all the time? Kyle Connor is
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  Speaker 5: always that guy. I don't know what his deal is
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  Speaker 5: every time he plays against the Avalanche, but gets two
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  Speaker 5: goals last night, including the game winner.
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  Speaker 3: Late.
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  Speaker 5: They're just a tough team when they play at home
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  Speaker 5: for whatever reason. The funny thing is I heard Connor
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  Speaker 5: talking about this in the car yesterday. That he said
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  Speaker 5: he's been doing Avs games for 10 years or something
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  Speaker 5: like that.
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  Speaker 4: He said it was the first time that he has.
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  Speaker 5: Traveled to Winnipeg before New Year's Eve or something, which
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  Speaker 5: is insane. And it had to be weird when you
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  Speaker 5: fly into Winnipeg and the weather was still okay.
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  Speaker 4: That has to be pretty wild. Now, anyway.
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  Speaker 6: Also, how many years have you guys been doing this show?
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  Speaker 6: I guess I'll include myself, but how long has Mojo
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  Speaker 6: Lombardi and Kane been a thing?
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  Speaker 4: Um, coming up on, yeah, I think eight years.
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  Speaker 6: It's also the first time that Mosher did a broadcast
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  Speaker 6: from his hotel room in Winnipeg and it was crystal
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  Speaker 6: clear for three hours. We didn't have a, we didn't
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  Speaker 6: have a single warble yesterday. So it turns out when
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  Speaker 6: the temperature isn't negative 40 degrees Celsius with a wind
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  Speaker 6: chill down to negative a hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: His stuff works. Go figure. Um, Well, I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 5: The Avs have a chance. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 5: team that's great on back-to-backs. They're playing again tonight. Got
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  Speaker 5: into the hotel. When did Mosier, Texas? Was it one
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  Speaker 5: in the morning or something like that?
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  Speaker 4: So they'll go.
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  Speaker 5: Get another opportunity to right the ship as they take
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  Speaker 5: on Calgary tonight. Calgary is awful. They're 0-3 to start
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  Speaker 5: the year. And we watched that slow descent into terribleness.
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  Speaker 5: towards the end of last year. It's part of the
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  Speaker 5: reason why you got Kadri and they kept money on
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  Speaker 5: the back end of that trade. So it should be
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  Speaker 5: a pretty prime opportunity to get back in the win column.
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  Speaker 5: Their losses this year have been 6-1 to the Kraken,
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  Speaker 5: 4-1 to the Canucks, and 6-1 to the Kraken again.
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  Speaker 5: So they've been outscored 16-3. Avs are great on back-to-backs.
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  Speaker 5: They should get this thing.
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  Speaker 4: Ride it in a hurry. Now, a couple things here.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to say too much on this because
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  Speaker 5: I am not the one that has.
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  Speaker 4: The information.
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  Speaker 5: But there is something going around about Sean Payton taking
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  Speaker 5: over play calling duties. From what we know, there is
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  Speaker 5: validity to this. Now, Vic has way more intel on
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  Speaker 5: this than I do, so he can explain this more
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  Speaker 5: once 7 o'clock rolls around. Bottom line is, if this
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  Speaker 5: is the case, this is an admission that play calling
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  Speaker 5: is the problem. And here's what I don't get. because
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  Speaker 5: we just noticed this yesterday, and there was an antenna
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  Speaker 5: that fired when I saw this news break yesterday, that
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  Speaker 5: D'Amico Ryans, who is the head coach of the Texans,
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  Speaker 5: very good defense, that he's taking away play-calling duties from
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  Speaker 5: Matt Burke following the team's 0-4 start.
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  Speaker 4: That makes a lot more sense because....
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  Speaker 5: The Houston Texans season is for all intents and purposes over.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody battles back from down 0-4 to make the playoffs
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  Speaker 5: and do something. He's making one last gasp effort that
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  Speaker 5: if we don't get this righted right now, then.
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  Speaker 4: It now becomes a reflection on me.
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  Speaker 5: If this rumor is true, Which, like I said, there
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  Speaker 5: is some validity to it. And Nellie, if you could
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  Speaker 5: do me a favor and play cut 14 on the
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  Speaker 5: basis of this subject, it was the four game sample
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  Speaker 5: size of Davis Webb's play calling.
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  Speaker 4: Um, first of all, I want to hear this.
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  Speaker 5: And then I'll give you some reasons for, uh, maybe
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  Speaker 5: positives in some concerns, but here's what Peyton said. Again,
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  Speaker 5: the four-game sample size of Davis Webb's play calling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think our focus needs to be more on
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  Speaker 3: the specific and the detail of each play regardless. I
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  Speaker 3: think Davis is very fast and quick and understands what
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  Speaker 3: we're doing. I appreciate the question, but I think that
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  Speaker 3: the most important job I have is really evaluating um,
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  Speaker 3: the wise and, uh, and I think they're looking, I
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  Speaker 3: think collectively we all after a game and, and after
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  Speaker 3: a four game sample size, look at, all right, this,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't certainly this isn't championship football or what we, uh,
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  Speaker 3: what we see, um, how quickly can we correct those things?
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  Speaker 4: It's an interesting answer. Um, And here's the way I
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  Speaker 4: look at this.
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  Speaker 5: If you're going to make this move now, you're 2-2,
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  Speaker 5: you're playing against a team.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be honest, guys. I have switched over now into
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  Speaker 4: the Mosier camp with one exception.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what the offense is going to do
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  Speaker 5: this weekend because I never know. My guess is they
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  Speaker 5: probably won't score a ton of points, but they'll put
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  Speaker 5: up enough. Here's what I'm assured of This defense is
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  Speaker 5: going to maul Justin Herbert. I mean, if you've looked
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  Speaker 5: at the injury report from the LA Chargers, it looks
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  Speaker 5: like a set list for a fish concert.
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  Speaker 4: Okay? It is so long.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you, their entire offensive line is like gone.
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  Speaker 5: If you can't, and no wonder Justin Herbert is getting smoked.
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  Speaker 5: If you can't do that exact same thing, then you
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  Speaker 5: have bigger problems than who's calling plays on offense. So,
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  Speaker 5: let me just give this to you real quick. The
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  Speaker 5: injury report for the LA Chargers. Joe Alt, neck, DNP.
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  Speaker 5: Tayoti Awashika, fibula, DNP. Cam Hart, knee, limited. Alec Ingold, shoulder, limited.
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  Speaker 5: Dante Jackson, hamstring, DNP. Derwin James, hamstring, DNP. Quinton Johnson, chest, limited.
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  Speaker 5: Charlie Kolar, forearm, limited. Trey Lance, groin, limited. Dean Leonard, rib, limited.
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  Speaker 5: Khalil Mack, rest, DNP. Scott Matlock, foot, limited. Ladd McConkie, foot, DNP.
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  Speaker 5: Trevor Petting, concussion, DNP. Branson Taylor, Nick, limited. Brennan Thompson, quadricep, limited.
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  Speaker 5: Dalvin Tomlinson, hamstring, limited. Rashawn Slater, ankle, DNP. All of
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  Speaker 5: those names, all of.
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  Speaker 4: Them, including one, two, three, four, five offensive linemen. Not
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  Speaker 4: even to mention their starting center who was out for
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  Speaker 4: the year before the season even started. Five of them
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  Speaker 4: showed up on the injury list.
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  Speaker 5: And out of those five, four were DNPs yesterday. Like,
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  Speaker 5: it's a mash unit. If you can't get after that
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  Speaker 5: offensive line and Nick Benito doesn't have five sacks this weekend,
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  Speaker 5: then that's a big problem. But to the offensive play
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  Speaker 5: caller part of this, and I'm now saying that with
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  Speaker 5: a question mark on who that is because, again, there
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  Speaker 5: is validity there. to the rumors that have been going
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  Speaker 5: around that Sean Payton might be taking over play calling duties.
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  Speaker 5: I want to explain exactly why this decision was made now.
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  Speaker 5: And I would have put it in a way of
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  Speaker 5: is Sean Payton pulling this trigger a little bit too early.
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  Speaker 5: So we'll get to that in just a couple of
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  Speaker 5: minutes as we broadcast from the back of some Shanker studios,
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  Speaker 5: serious lures for the seriously injured back after this.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So let's get into it again.
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  Speaker 5: There are rumors out there that Sean Payton might be
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  Speaker 5: taking over play calling duties already. I am here to
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  Speaker 5: tell you there is validity to the rumors. Now, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know for sure if that is the case. Again,
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  Speaker 5: Vic has more information on this. He will give it
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  Speaker 5: to you at 7 o'clock.
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  Speaker 4: But I know that there is.
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  Speaker 5: It's not like this is nothing. But I have questions
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  Speaker 5: about this. I was just digging into some numbers last
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  Speaker 5: year comparatively to this year. And numbers are different. Through
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  Speaker 5: the first four weeks last year, the offense was better.
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  Speaker 5: Not a ton, but was better. So I'll just give
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  Speaker 5: you a couple points of contact here. So this year,
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  Speaker 5: the Broncos, through four weeks, have scored a grand total
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  Speaker 5: of 74 points. Through four weeks last year, it was
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  Speaker 5: at 96. Their passing yards were at 861. Bo Nix
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  Speaker 5: this year is at 819. Had seven passing touchdowns last
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  Speaker 5: year at this time. They have five this year from Bo.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the big difference.
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  Speaker 4: There's two. It was rushing.
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  Speaker 5: Last year at this time, they had 113 carries for
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  Speaker 5: 573 yards and five touchdowns on the ground. This year,
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  Speaker 5: they have 90 carries for 325 yards and two touchdowns
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  Speaker 5: on the ground. And I've been mentioning the lack of
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  Speaker 5: running game is a massive part of why I think
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  Speaker 5: this offense is struggling. Bo Nix isn't himself going to
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  Speaker 5: put the fear of God in anybody in a defense.
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  Speaker 5: Bo Nix with a running game, then all of a
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  Speaker 5: sudden becomes a problem. If you can't run the football,
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  Speaker 5: you can't run effective play action. If you can't run
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  Speaker 5: effective play action, then there's not guys getting open. And
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  Speaker 5: then when there are guys getting open, Bo Nix is
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  Speaker 5: missing them. It's a combination of a ton of different things.
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  Speaker 5: But here's, I think, the biggest difference between last year
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  Speaker 5: and this year. Last year through four games, you started
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  Speaker 5: the season against the Tennessee Titans. You then played the
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  Speaker 5: Colts on the road. That was pre-Saus Gardner, by the way.
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  Speaker 5: You played against the Chargers in L.A.
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  Speaker 4: In week three.
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  Speaker 5: And then you played against a Cincinnati team that, first
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  Speaker 5: of all, didn't have Joe Burrow and, second of all,
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  Speaker 5: had a terrible defense. Compare that to this year, where
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  Speaker 5: you're facing, through the first four weeks of the year,
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  Speaker 5: Four of the best defenses in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Points per game, yards per game.
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  Speaker 5: The Chiefs, the Jags, the Rams, and the Niners are
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  Speaker 5: all at least top 10 and likely top five and
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  Speaker 5: in some cases top three in all of those different categories.
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  Speaker 5: It would be very hard to compare last year Through
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  Speaker 5: the first four weeks. To this year's first four. And
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  Speaker 5: that's why I think if Sean Payton is. Indeed making
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  Speaker 5: a switch at play caller. That he is through four
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  Speaker 5: weeks of the season. Taking away the sheet from Davis Webb.
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  Speaker 5: Taking away the headset. What chance were you really giving him?
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  Speaker 5: Like what did you think? Did you think the offense
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  Speaker 5: was going to be. Like. So amazingly awesome through the
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  Speaker 5: first four weeks against these defenses that you were going
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  Speaker 5: to put up 27 points a game. Especially doing that
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  Speaker 5: with one running back who is on injured reserve and
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  Speaker 5: the other running back is clearly hurt and not effective. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I think this would be really early. And maybe it's
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  Speaker 5: more about I don't know, Sean Payton just experienced not
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  Speaker 5: calling plays for the first time and he just can't
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  Speaker 5: take it anymore, which was something I certainly thought could
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  Speaker 5: be possible. Being a control freak and not being in
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  Speaker 5: control is an issue. And you can say, hey, this is,
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  Speaker 5: he's still in charge of the team, that's still being
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  Speaker 5: in control. we know what his his job is. His
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  Speaker 5: job is to call an offense. That's what he loves.
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  Speaker 5: And a texture says it was all part of Sean's plan.
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  Speaker 5: I think the implication here is you give Davis web
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  Speaker 5: play calling duties and it becomes the Shane Gillis meme.
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  Speaker 4: And it's, Oh, that's way worse. Oh, like it's one
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  Speaker 4: of those.
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  Speaker 5: Here's the, the thing. I'm going to repeat this over
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  Speaker 5: and over again. I don't see a lot different from
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  Speaker 5: last year to this year.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 5: And what's really funny to me is at the end
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  Speaker 5: of last season, a bunch of Broncos fans were begging
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  Speaker 5: for Sean Payton to give up play calling duties.
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  Speaker 4: And he did that.
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  Speaker 5: And now we're going to pretend those same people are
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  Speaker 5: going to pretend that Sean Payton calling plays is going
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  Speaker 5: to be the savior of it.
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  Speaker 4: This is why I was in the middle on both
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  Speaker 4: of these.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was pretty nuts of people to go
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  Speaker 5: out and just pretend like Sean Payton wasn't good at
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  Speaker 5: calling offense. He's been doing it for two decades. He's
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  Speaker 5: been respected as one of the best in the league
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  Speaker 5: in doing so. He got a team with a rookie
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  Speaker 5: quarterback to the playoffs. He then followed that up with
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  Speaker 5: a 14-win season. Whatever you want to say about the offense,
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  Speaker 5: they were right there. I also believe if he's going
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  Speaker 5: to commit to giving up play-calling duties, then he's got
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  Speaker 5: to commit to it.
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  Speaker 4: And here's another thing.
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  Speaker 5: If you're saying that this is on Davis Webb, that's
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  Speaker 5: the reason why this thing isn't working. In a roundabout way,
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  Speaker 5: you are shielding criticism from your quarterback saying he's not
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  Speaker 5: the problem, this guy is. Now, at this point, this
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  Speaker 5: is all a hypothetical. I don't know for sure if
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  Speaker 5: they're doing this or not.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: What I do know is there is validity to the
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  Speaker 5: rumors and that this isn't some just like talking point of, hey,
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  Speaker 5: random people jump on the internet and say, Sean Payton's
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  Speaker 5: taking back. There's something to it. But I just, I don't,
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  Speaker 5: if this is truly the decision, I don't really get it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and again, Nelly, if you could go back
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  Speaker 4: to cut 14 for me, this was Sean Payton's answer
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  Speaker 4: on the four game sample size of Davis Webb and
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  Speaker 4: his play calling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think our focus needs to be
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  Speaker 3: more on the specific and the detail of each play rig. regardless.
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  Speaker 3: I think Davis is very fast and quick and understands
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: what we're doing. I appreciate the question, but I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: that the most important job I have is really evaluating.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: The whys.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I think collectively we all, after a game, after a
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: four-game sample size, look at, all right, this isn't Certainly
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: this isn't championship football or what we see. How quickly
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: can we correct those things?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: What's funny to me, though, is.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: It didn't look like that last year either, and it
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: eventually became good enough for it. I mean, you make
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: the AFC championship game, and I do think that in
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: the AFC championship game, if Bo Nix plays, you're probably
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: in a Super Bowl, and then who knows?
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: It's a one-game sample. Maybe you win, maybe you lose.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: But that's why I came in all week and people
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: were getting mad at me on Mondays when I was
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: talking about, hey, I know you guys won the game,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: but that offense I don't.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Think is going to work all year. And it ended
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: up working.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Now, Sean Payton has obviously taken my approach to this saying,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I know we've gotten the results we've wanted.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: I know that's not good enough. And I think that's
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: a healthy way to look at it.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: A lot of coaches would be defiant and be like,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: what are you complaining about winning football for? I think
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: he's honest enough with himself, and this is a good quality,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: to say, yeah, we're winning, but.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: I don't think that that can continue. And even though
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: it did for a year, he looks at it this
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: year and he goes, I don't think it's... It could
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: turn very quickly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: Can I ask you something, Brett?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Suppose that the rumors are true, and... Well, I'm about
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: to pull a you here. I felt a sneeze building,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: and then it disappeared.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Ooh, that's worse.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: The student has become the teacher here. But anyway, suppose
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: the rumors are true, and then Peyton snatches back Davis
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Webb's chain like Debo in Friday, and he goes back
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: to calling plays. What if it looks exactly the same?
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: What if Sean Peyton takes back play calling, and then
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: they go out there, and they lose to the Chargers
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: like 17-6? Then what happens?
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Well, Sean Payton stays the play caller for the rest
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: of the year. That's what happens.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: If he makes this decision to take away from Davis Webb,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: guess what, guys? Davis Webb is never calling a play
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: here again.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: It's not happening.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: And likely, Davis Webb is leaving at the end of
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: the year. He just got OC and head coaching interviews
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: last year. Four games is not going to change enough
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: minds on that. But this is what I was kind.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Of warning you guys. Here's what's so weird. I don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: agree with this. I don't.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: And I feel like there's this opportunity now where you
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: can come in and you can look like the hero.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: Like once somebody gets through the really tough portion of
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: your defensive schedule, here's what comes up for the rest
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: of the year. You're playing against the Chargers and the
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Chargers defense has given up 26, 26, 24, and 30
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: on the year. Then you play Kansas City, which is,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: or I'm sorry. And then you play Seattle at home,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: which is going to be tough, but at least it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: at home on a short week. Then you play against Arizona,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: who's given up a ton of points this year. Then
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: you play Kansas City again, but that game is also
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: at home. Then it's against Carolina, whose defense is terrible. Vegas,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: who's given up points this year. Pittsburgh, who gives up points. Miami,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: who gives up points. The Jets, who give up points.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: You're now in the easier stretch of your schedule to
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: have success against the opposing defense.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: The first four weeks were bleeping hard, man.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: You played against some of the toughest defenses the NFL
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: has to offer.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: You are going to have struggles.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: To be fair... They came out of it 2-2. You
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: put up 30 points in one game.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Was it weird? Yeah, it was weird. But all of
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: last season was weird.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: And I wonder, you know, Vic had the video pulled
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: up yesterday during the show of the missed throws, 20
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: to 25 yards downfield, of guys that were open.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: That Bo Nix either didn't see or didn't pull the
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: trigger for. And I think perception on Davis Webb's offense
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: changes a lot if Bo makes those throws. Davis Webb
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: is not calling a check down. And judging by the film,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: guys are getting open. But Sean Payton is seeing something.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: That he thinks that's not the issue. And I would
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: love to know what that is.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: And I don't know if they're going to announce anything
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: like heading into the game.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Part of me feels like we're going to figure out
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: who's going to be calling plays when they flash to
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: the sideline and.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: The headsets on somebody. You know what I mean? But
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: I have some, I always confuse this. Which one means which?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Sympathy and empathy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Do you have sympathy for somebody if you've never felt
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: that before?
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Or do you have empathy if you've felt it before?
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: I think you're right. Empathy is when you felt it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Sympathy is when you haven't.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I'm sympathetic.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Towards Davis Webb's situation because I don't think that's a
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: fair shot. And I'll go back to something I mentioned
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: yesterday that I compared to this silly little job that
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: myself and Nelly do. I love this job because I
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: get to say what I think. And I get to
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: talk about what I want. And if I fail and
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: this show sucks and I get fired, which has happened before,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: then at least I know I did it swinging out
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: doing my own thing. And I wasn't adhering to some
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: sort of plan that somebody else had for me. I think,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: first of all, Davis Webb was handcuffed by he had
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: to operate in the Sean Payton world.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Have you ever seen Inception? It's like.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: You're in somebody else's dream. You don't have control over that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: You're just operating inside of it. You're Leo DiCaprio in inception.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: I would want to be in my own dream. I
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: would want the freedom to be like, um, If I
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: want to come out running wildcat on the first play,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: then I can do it. Not that you would, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: if you wanted to, you could do it. And I
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: don't think that freedom's here for Davis Webb, number one.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Number two.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Your first four games are against four of the best
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: defenses the NFL has to offer with a quarterback that
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: is a notorious low starter and a running game that's
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: totally impotent and ineffective.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Not great.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: And just when it looks like, hey, if I can
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: just get through a couple of more weeks, this schedule's
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: really going to ease up, and I think I think
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: things can get easier. Somebody pulls the rug out from
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: under you and says, this is my job again.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Sorry. So I don't know.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: I am sympathetic towards his situation because I feel like
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: if this is true, he wasn't given the opportunity that
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: I think he probably, well, no, that he earned. The
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: reason you gave up play calling duties to Davis Webb
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: is you were nervous he was going to leave and
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: take a job somewhere else. Well, you had him not
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: take a job somewhere else to call four games worth
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: of plays? And guys, the offense was bad. But I'll
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: ask you again. Was it that much different? I gave
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: you the numbers. The biggest difference in this is the
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: run game. So 303, 504, 0925. Again, Vic is going
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: to have a lot more information on this because he's
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: the one that kind of sent something to us last night.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: So when he jumps on at seven, talk a little
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: bit of abs and then I'll just throw it over to.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Him and be like, what's going on?
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: A lot more Sean Payton audio I want to get
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: to as well because this, I have now switched over
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: to the Mosher train of thought. This is a game
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: that is the Broncos should breeze through this breeze. And
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: it has nothing to do with the struggles we're talking
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: about on offense. It's all about the chargers have no
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: offensive line and their offense has been terrible.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Um, Chad Brown's going to join us at 8. Jeff
• 31:49
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• 31:52
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• 31:55
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• 31:56
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• 31:57
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• 32:05
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• 32:07
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• 32:33
  Speaker 4: to do one of those there. Bottom line is, I
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: am fascinated... with what could potentially be coming with the
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Broncos for a number of different reasons.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I have a sympathetic thought towards Davis Webb if, again,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: the rumors are true. And I'll reiterate to you guys
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: one more time because Vic's going to.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Join us at 7.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: He'll have a lot more information on this. But the
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: rumors going around that maybe Sean Payton is taking over
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: play calling duties again. I don't know if they're true,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: but the rumors and the questions surrounding it are valid.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: There is reason to be speculating this, is how I'd
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: put it, because I don't have the information that Vic does.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: But here's what's funny. The offense isn't good enough.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: We've known that. We've known that for a while. We've
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: known that with Davis Webb calling plays. We've known it
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: with Sean Payton calling plays. No matter what the decision is,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: if this is just truly a rumor and Davis Webb
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: is still calling plays, okay. If this is not, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Sean Payton will take over this weekend, you know what's funny?
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's any different.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: I truly believe that the Broncos are going to be
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: fine either way. Because they have an effective enough defense
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: and they do just enough offensively to win games. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: don't have these things in mind about, like, I don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: think the Broncos are ever going to be a team,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: at least this year, that all of a sudden turns
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: into a top.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: 10 scoring offense. That just.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Moves the ball with some of the best in the league.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: That looks like offenses that you see in Buffalo or
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: in Detroit or now Kansas City or whoever. I don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: think they got the horses in the backfield to do it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: That's a huge part of it. When you look at
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: teams who score, Buffalo got a pretty damn good back.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: This is just points per game leaders this year in
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: the NFL. I'll give you the top, I don't know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: six teams. Buffalo's got a pretty damn good back. Dallas Cowboys,
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Javante Williams was here. He didn't play like he's playing
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: in Dallas here. San Francisco, Christian McCaffrey's pretty good. Carolina
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: always has a running back that's effective. Chuba Hubbard, really good.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: He's got 306 yards this year through four weeks. The
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Lions with Jameer Gibbs, no question. The Chiefs now with
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker, no question. Ravens, Derrick Henry. The Chicago Bears,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: they have two different guys who have over 300 yards
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: rushing this year. Like, it's a necessity. With few exceptions
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: to it. There's a couple of teams, but that's it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: You need to have an effective rushing game. And that's
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: why I spent all offseason talking about the idea of
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: I know we're obsessed about getting.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: A wide receiver.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: And I love the acquisition Jalen Waddle. I think it
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: gives you a number of different opportunities within the offense.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: But where's the running back? And the mistake that I
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: made is I thought bringing J.K. Dobbins back was fine.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: I was concerned about health. I'll be honest with you.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: I wasn't concerned that J.K. would just look ineffective like
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: he has. That's a guy who's got a career yards
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: per carry of five plus. He's sitting at 3.6 this year.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: And I can't tell, is that him playing through an
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: injury or is that J.K. Dobbins just hit that expiration date?
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: That happens all too often for guys in the backfield.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: They just sort of peter out earlier than other positions
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: in football. And that could certainly be the case too.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not out here telling you that I think that J.K.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Dobbins is incredibly old. or anything like that, but when
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: you're a running back and he'll be 28 in December,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: there's just not many backs outside the really special ones
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: that at 28 years old are still effective. And I
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: think to pin all of this on Davis Webb is
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: kind of silly. And the funny thing is, I know
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Sean Payton watches the same film that we've I don't
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: even watch film. But I know he sees the plays
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: where Bo Nix is missing guys wide open downfield. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: part of me thinks, if Bo Nix makes those throws,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: are you having a Davis Webb problem? It kind of
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: feels like you're scapegoating somebody. The way that you went
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: about addressing your running game I have as high hopes
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: as anybody for Jonah Coleman, but I don't think Jonah
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Coleman is Bijan.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's Gibbs. Nobody on this roster is.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: You just need somebody to be effective enough that you
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: can trust him to get 70 yards a game. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's asking a ton. But if you
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: don't have it, then what are you going to do?
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: And this is Sean Payton's answer. Well, how do you
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: help out the offense, specifically Bo Nix?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I think running the ball efficiently, the play-action passing game,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: and then the specifics relative to route specifics relative to protection.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: That player, there's so much that goes into making his
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: job easier. And then if you're having trouble, for instance,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: with early down efficiency– man, you know, second and nine
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: or third down and long, those would be a few
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: that come to my mind right away.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: But all of that, I think, gets fixed with a
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: running game. Everything he mentioned. I mean, he said running
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: the football. Play action does not work if you don't
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: run effectively. I've made this analogy before, but it's true.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: If you're playing basketball against Shaq, he's at the three-point
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: line and he gives you a pump fake, are you
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: biting on it? If you are, you're stupid. You have
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: to be able to run the football to be effective.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: And I do think that, again, if all these things
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: that we're discussing are true, if Sean Payton is taking
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: over play-calling duties, this week, then I think that that
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: is a pretty healthy scapegoat in making this about Davis
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Webb and not about the other things that aren't being executed.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Because I'll remind you, last year wasn't all sunshine and
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: rainbows or what did Jerry Jones say? Glory holes and
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: fairy dust, whatever.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: And glory holds. Smiles and glory holds.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that wasn't last year. Last year felt like the
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: same sort of teeth pulling. Oh, please, can you do enough?
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Oh, they did. They barely won. They did it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: What did I say every week, Nelly? It was something
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: like the Broncos survived barely or something like that. It
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: was like that every week.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: You dropped the word sustainable more than an environmental science
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: major at CU. You talked about sustainability more than the
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Green Party, Brett.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: To be fair. To be fair. To be fair. Sean
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Payton said the same thing. He just used different words
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: This offense won't last relative to how they play in
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: the first half.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: That's code for sustainable. That's what it is.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: So anyway, a lot more to discuss with this. The
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Avs taking out last night in Winnipeg. A great game
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: by Stuart Skinner. Leads to the, as McGahee would call it,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: house of whores in Winnipeg. Just a tough place to
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: go win, but they take on Calgary tonight, who is awful.
• 41:36
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• 41:41
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