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Speaker 1: East the good reform it a huge issue to talk
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Speaker 1: about tonight after a Green's deputy leader dodge criticism of
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Speaker 1: hamas terrorists, and after Muslim Senator Fatima Payment got this
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Speaker 1: welcome at Perth Airport for quitting labor with talk of
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Speaker 1: starting a new Muslim party.
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Speaker 2: Well so tonight esther cracker from London on the stunning
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Speaker 2: election results in Britain. Danger for them and a warning
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Speaker 2: for us. Plus good news will worth us a huge
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Speaker 2: backflip and says it will sell Australian merch after all.
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Speaker 2: And the renewable energy scam. Who is going to pay
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Speaker 2: for the cleanup when these win farms with their massive
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Speaker 2: steel and concrete bases in the useful life? Now if
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Speaker 2: you're a farmer leasing out your land for these monsters,
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Speaker 2: and be very worried. And a Sydney council removes the
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Speaker 2: painting chosen as a finalness for our top prize for
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Speaker 2: religious art. But why was it even chosen in the
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Speaker 2: first place? But first now, I hope Anthony Albanezi finally
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Speaker 2: realizes the danger of the kind of identity politics he
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Speaker 2: lastly tried to ram down our throats, especially after seeing
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Speaker 2: what it's just done in Britain's election. Last week in Canberra,
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Speaker 2: Labor senator Fatima Payman quit the party to become our
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Speaker 2: Parliament's unofficial member for Gaza. She said she couldn't stay
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Speaker 2: in Labor when it wasn't doing enough for Gaza and
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Speaker 2: another reception she got which she returned to Perth. The
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Speaker 2: keffeiels and the hijabs there, the clapping, the chanting, the elulating.
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Speaker 2: Now that would scare Labor for a start, and the
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Speaker 2: premiers are on Friday warned against Payment or anyone else
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Speaker 2: now starting a new Muslim political party, not knowing how
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Speaker 2: much he was contradicting himself.
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Speaker 3: I don't think and don't want Australia to go down
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Speaker 3: the road of faith based political parties because what that
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Speaker 3: will do is undermine social cohesion. That it is not
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Speaker 3: in the interests of smaller minority groups to isolate themselves.
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Speaker 2: I actually agree. I've been saying for years our political
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Speaker 2: parties should be for people of whatever faith, color or origin,
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Speaker 2: so that they're fighting only for what's good for us.
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Speaker 2: All as Australians would be turn apart if we instead
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Speaker 2: get political parties based on race and religion, promoting communal resentments.
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Speaker 2: To demand their own politicians, their own special handouts for
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Speaker 2: their community, not the Australian one. So no to this ghettoising.
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Speaker 2: You know, this tribalizing. But like I said, I've been
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Speaker 2: saying it for years. In contrast, Anthony Albanesi was last
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Speaker 2: year demanding an Aberagal only voice, a kind of advisory
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Speaker 2: parliament just for one race. That was his own plan
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Speaker 2: for a smaller minority group to isolate themselves, something that
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Speaker 2: would undermine social cohesion, with Abaginal actives obviously going to
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Speaker 2: demand not just their own politicians, but inevitably their own parliament.
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Speaker 2: But I can see why the scales have now fallen
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Speaker 2: from Albanese's eyes about this kind of identity politics, because
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Speaker 2: Britain's election has just shown us that danger and the
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Speaker 2: danger that payment and Muslim supporters are to Labor and
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Speaker 2: to Australia. And that's because four Muslim independents got elected
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Speaker 2: to Britain's Parliament on Thursday on a pro Palestine an
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Speaker 2: anti Israel platform, with one shock at Adam beating a
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Speaker 2: Labor front bencher in an electorate with thirty percent Muslim voters.
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Speaker 4: This is for the people of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Another winner, Adnan Hussein celebrated like this. Well, there's actually
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Speaker 2: a fifth independent who won. A former Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn,
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Speaker 2: expelled from Labor after an anti Semitism scandal. He also
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Speaker 2: won with the backing of many Muslim voters in his
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Speaker 2: electorate after campaigning hard on Gaza and against Israel. And meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: two female Labor candidates who had just beaten off pro
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Speaker 2: Gaza Muslim independence in Birmingham and that is also thirty
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Speaker 2: percent Muslim said hardliners had written and even attacked their campaigners.
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Speaker 2: One Jess Phillips, was held down by some of those
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Speaker 2: hardliners on election night, chanting for whom Muslim opponent.
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Speaker 5: I understand, I understand that a strong woman standing up
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Speaker 5: to you is.
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Speaker 6: Met with such reticence.
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Speaker 7: Anyway, this this election has been can you throw the mate.
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Speaker 2: Now back? In these winners was a shadowy group called
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Speaker 2: the Muslim Vote. We have an Australian group with the
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Speaker 2: very same name and agenda right here grew this talk
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Speaker 2: to payment and the British one is ecstatic about its
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Speaker 2: election result. It said, folks, only through the grace of
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Speaker 2: the or Mighty, without whom nothing is possible, you did it.
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Speaker 2: And it warn the main political parties. Muslims are united
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Speaker 2: in Muslim heavy areas, your majorities will be under threat.
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Speaker 2: Now something similar could come here, and labor is freaking
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Speaker 2: and no wonder because of the twenty nine federal seats
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Speaker 2: with Solomon Muslim minorities. Now it holds twenty seven, and
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Speaker 2: sure enough the threat is here already with payment and
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Speaker 2: the Australian version of the Muslim vote. Not to mention
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Speaker 2: the Greens whose pendent who extremes, yes, that it was
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Speaker 2: discussing they did a second but first payment. Now she
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Speaker 2: claims she decided only suddenly last week after praying to
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Speaker 2: Allah to break with labor over Gaza and demand the
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Speaker 2: immediate recognition of Palestinian state, which is a bizarre demand.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Palestine today, led in one half
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Speaker 2: by their master terrorists who started this war with Israel
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Speaker 2: by slaughtering twelve hundred Israelis. The other half is led
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Speaker 2: by terror responses. That's how extreme or native payment is.
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Speaker 2: It also shows how kind of ethnic politics imports foreign
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Speaker 2: conflicts into our peaceful country. So I don't actually exaggerate
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Speaker 2: much by calling payment the member for Garza. She hasn't
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Speaker 2: quit labor because of any domestic issues like you know,
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Speaker 2: Australians are getting poorer. I've got to quit labor. No,
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Speaker 2: she quit to fight above all for Palestinians, for Gaza.
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Speaker 2: But our sitting in parliament not as a labor member.
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Speaker 2: But well, she says, she's independent. But you join the
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Speaker 2: dots because before consulting Allah and quitting labor, Payment actually
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Speaker 2: talked to Australia's version of the Muslim vote and Matt
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Speaker 2: Glenn Jury, a man whose job is helping small political
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Speaker 2: parties get elected, He's thought to the Muslim vote about
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Speaker 2: just that, and Payment wouldn't give a straight answer when
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Speaker 2: she asked if she'll now form a Muslim party, which
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Speaker 2: is an easier job for a sitting senator at this stage.
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Speaker 4: I do not plan to form a party.
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Speaker 8: And you know, we'll stay tuned now.
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Speaker 2: People say, and it's true, a Muslim party is going
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Speaker 2: to struggle to defeat a labor MP here, even in
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Speaker 2: the seat of Blackland held by education mister Jason Clare,
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Speaker 2: we're thirty two percent of voters are Muslim one third.
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Speaker 2: That's because what they say with you know, not all
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Speaker 2: Muslims are going to back a Muslim party is true.
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Speaker 9: Although with Greens and till preferences. You can't rule anything out,
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Speaker 9: you know, and the Greens would likely steer preferences to
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Speaker 9: a Muslim party here because you look how anti Israeli
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Speaker 9: and pro Palestinian they've now become. You saw that in
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Speaker 9: full shocking display yesterday when Green's deputy leader Mary in Ferruki,
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Speaker 9: herself Muslim, so extreme that she yesterday refused five times
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Speaker 9: on the ABC to call for Hamas to be dismantled disbanded,
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Speaker 9: which is extraordinary given harmass and Isamus terrorists group so
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Speaker 9: evil that actually started this war by slaughtering twelve hundred
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Speaker 9: is rare's beheading men, raping women, kidnapping about two hundred
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Speaker 9: and fifty people.
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Speaker 2: Does Hamas need to be dismantled?
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Speaker 10: It has nothing to do with Palestinian statehood and Palestinian
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Speaker 10: self done. The question was we have dismantled The Palestinians
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Speaker 10: need to decide.
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Speaker 4: If they choose Hamas.
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Speaker 1: That's okay, David, that is such.
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Speaker 2: What can I say, like should it be dismantled?
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Speaker 7: Hamas is an organization that exists in the region that
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Speaker 7: we are talking about.
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Speaker 1: Surely you're able to say whether you'd like to see
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Speaker 1: them go on and it's not up to meet.
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Speaker 2: Disgusting. So yes, do worry for the unity of our
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Speaker 2: country under this kind of politics, and hope that labor
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Speaker 2: stops promoting this identity politics now that it's paying the price.
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Speaker 2: Now Alice Springs is under a curfew again, an amazing
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Speaker 2: thing to see in Australia days to start with, all
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Speaker 2: adults off the streets at ten pm. Wild But then again,
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Speaker 2: this is a town, a city where violent chrome, especially
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Speaker 2: by average youths, is still devastating a matter how many
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Speaker 2: millions governments are throwing at it, and this time around
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Speaker 2: two am yesterday, four off duty police, three of them women,
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Speaker 2: they were walking along the Todd River Walkway with with
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Speaker 2: about twenty males, attacked them from behind, punching, dragging them
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Speaker 2: to the ground, kicking. Two of the women had to
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Speaker 2: be taken to hospital and it turns out this was
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Speaker 2: only part of three days of mayhem. As a Northern
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Speaker 2: Territories police chief, badline today.
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Speaker 11: But unfortunately in the last seventy two hours we've seen
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Speaker 11: some significant harm and civil disturbances. On Friday afternoon, we
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Speaker 11: saw a police officer who was conducting his duties run
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Speaker 11: over by a vehicle, suffering a fracture to his leg
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Speaker 11: and his arm. He's in hospital still and he'll take
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Speaker 11: some time to recover. On Saturday evening we saw a
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Speaker 11: large scale disturbance involving up to eighty people on the
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Speaker 11: council lawns and all the springs. They'd been at two
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Speaker 11: licensed premises earlier in that night and had exited the
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Speaker 11: licensed premises and went across the road into the council
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Speaker 11: lawns and engaged in disturbances and violent conduct, causing our
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Speaker 11: police to respond. They assaulted our police that subsequently led
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Speaker 11: to the assault of four off duty police. On Sunday,
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Speaker 11: at lunchtime, we saw an attack at an event on
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Speaker 11: the town council lawns where a forty two year old
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Speaker 11: woman was stabbed with a knife. Last night we saw
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Speaker 11: three youth in a stolen motor vehicle conductor robbery at
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Speaker 11: a service station and then terrorized motors around the Saberdeen
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Speaker 11: Alla Springs.
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Speaker 2: Ironically, the police commissioner worried how this curfew might have
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Speaker 2: affected Naydock Week. This week the celebration of Aboriginal culture.
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Speaker 2: Joining me from Alice Springs is local businessman Darren Clark,
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Speaker 2: who's actually for Alice's website Island and Ava Springston National
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Speaker 2: scandal nearly two years ago and finally forced action from
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Speaker 2: the Alzy government. Darren Clark, Great to see you. Your
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Speaker 2: website broke the news of this attack on the for police.
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Speaker 2: What more do you know and what's the reaction been
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Speaker 2: apart from this curfew? Thanks for having me, Andrew.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll broake this on yesterday morning. A couple of
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Speaker 5: sources come to me early in the morning. Also broke
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Speaker 5: the one on Friday afternoon with the police officer being
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Speaker 5: tapped under a vehicle.
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Speaker 2: Now, that didn't get any media at all.
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Speaker 5: So I made some phone calls to the police media
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Speaker 5: officer yesterday morning and I said, look, what are you
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Speaker 5: guys doing about those stories here? Because we've got a
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Speaker 5: couple of certificate stories that need releasing. The public need
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Speaker 5: to know about this, and you've had some off yety
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Speaker 5: police officers and another officer who was serving being injured.
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Speaker 2: So what are we doing now?
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Speaker 5: They weren't going to release any of that, Andrew, until today,
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Speaker 5: so this wouldn't have got out to it today and
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Speaker 5: I've just visual Gavin and older made him that you've
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Speaker 5: got forty eight minutes to release something here. How these
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Speaker 5: I'm going to have it up anyway and then the
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Speaker 5: media will jump on it and you'll have a bit
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Speaker 5: of a problem.
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Speaker 2: So they did release it.
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Speaker 6: Look, we've had a very very torrent weekend.
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Speaker 5: It's not good when you've got police officers being you know,
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Speaker 5: dragged under a car. Well, I personally know this officer
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Speaker 5: May is one of the great guys going around this
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Speaker 5: town and a twenty five year serving police officer, and
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Speaker 5: he's in a lot of pain. He won't be back
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Speaker 5: into the front line till next year after a lot
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Speaker 5: of therapy. These four off duty officers have been to
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Speaker 5: a function on Saturday night. Now, one of these there's
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Speaker 5: a mother and daughter combination there. The mother's a police
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Speaker 5: officer serving police officer and the daughter now, the daughter
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Speaker 5: actually gradual weighted life week so she was out celebrating
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Speaker 5: her greater waste from into the police force, was meant
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Speaker 5: to start today and gets attacked on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: You know, And that's Sarren.
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Speaker 5: It's a never ending story here.
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Speaker 2: That's just incredible. That's an amazing story.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: You know what shocks me about what you said earlier,
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Speaker 2: So it makes me wonder what else they're not telling
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Speaker 2: us right, how we're being kept blind to the reality
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Speaker 2: of what's happening not just in Olice, but in the
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Speaker 2: in the remote communities as well. Now you've also posted
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Speaker 2: a vision of youths and apparently stolen charrgink. This is
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Speaker 2: what the police culture is referring to yesterday cutting off
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Speaker 2: threatening another motorist. Now the Albany is in non terurtary
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Speaker 2: labor governments, so they promise all sorts of things over
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Speaker 2: the past couple of years to fix what's happening in Alice.
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Speaker 2: Money programs, more police, temporary curfew, tough restrictions, and liquor
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Speaker 2: sales and so on. I don't know if any of
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Speaker 2: this really is more more than band aids. To be honest,
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Speaker 2: what are you seeing, Andrew?
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Speaker 5: It's band aids, mate, It's just band aid after band
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Speaker 5: aid after band aid, because no one wants to go
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Speaker 5: to the core issues. To you, no one wants to
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Speaker 5: tackle the hard issues of what's going on in the
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Speaker 5: Northern Territory and a lot of remote areas in Australia
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Speaker 5: at this point of time. Now we've got indigenous people
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Speaker 5: that are living out in remote communities.
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Speaker 2: They hardly.
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Speaker 5: These kids can't go to they don't go to school,
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Speaker 5: they haven't got decent housing, they haven't got a chance
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Speaker 5: of getting a job. And you've got to have economic development.
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Speaker 5: You've got to create and give people purpose in life. Andrew,
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Speaker 5: if you and I didn't have any purpose in life,
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Speaker 5: we wouldn't get out of bed.
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Speaker 6: And if we got out of bed, we probably.
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Speaker 5: Sit around and drink one of your bottle of Scotches made,
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Speaker 5: but probably not as expensive.
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Speaker 2: That as what you drink it.
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Speaker 5: But you know what, you know what I mean, You've
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Speaker 5: got to give people purpose in life. Now, these children
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Speaker 5: are not getting a purpose in life. They're not getting
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Speaker 5: a future, and they're not getting a fair crack up life, Andrew.
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Speaker 5: And no one wants to tackle the issue just being
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Speaker 5: a price. She talks about this all the time, she
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Speaker 5: talks about it, die in and die out, about giving
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Speaker 5: these kids a shot at life. But no one wants
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Speaker 5: to strip it back. No one wants to push the
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Speaker 5: pause button on indigenous affairs and actually have a fair
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Speaker 5: income crack at this problem. Because you know what, Mate,
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Speaker 5: they talk about generational change, but every week or month,
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Speaker 5: we're just losing another generation. When we're putting this back
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Speaker 5: and back and back and true, this problem worse and worse.
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Speaker 2: So true. I mean you might recall Tony Haven't when
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Speaker 2: he was prime in a Center. I think the West
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Speaker 2: Australian Premiere Columbinette at the time said the same. Some
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Speaker 2: of these very remote communities were heaps of money that
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Speaker 2: was getting brought into just to keep the supplied when
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Speaker 2: there's no real prospect of many good jobs. Services are
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Speaker 2: hard to get there. We've got to think about closing
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Speaker 2: them down. And I don't know. So if you put
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Speaker 2: a great welfare pit in the middle of Australia, just
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Speaker 2: poured welfare money there, there's no jobs. I don't care
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Speaker 2: what race or color or creed you are. Chances are
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Speaker 2: that community there is going to go sour. And I'm
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Speaker 2: afraid that's what we're going to see and we will
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Speaker 2: not stop it until the focus is on integration. Darren Clark,
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Speaker 2: you've been doing a fantastic job alerting Australians to what
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Speaker 2: the officials want hidden. Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: Great stuff, and you know, by the way, Alice Springs
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Speaker 2: is not the only side the government's indigenous policies are failing.
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Speaker 2: Two years ago, the government scrapped the cash List debit card,
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Speaker 2: which have been used in some troubled Aboriginal communities, particularly
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Speaker 2: to stop people spending their welfare money on booze and
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Speaker 2: gambling that to use a card to spend on things
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Speaker 2: like food. Now, though, a review by Adelaide University the
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Speaker 2: Academics has found that scrapping that card has been followed
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Speaker 2: by more gambling, more public drunkenness, more alcohol related violence,
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Speaker 2: more children going hungry, more children missing school, more children
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Speaker 2: wandering streets at night, every single thing that people an't
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Speaker 2: me and just sent a nampergimper price and others were
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Speaker 2: warning labor and it wouldn't listen. Now, sure, these academics said, oh,
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Speaker 2: we don't really know. You know, we can't if we
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Speaker 2: can blame the card for all that, because there's also
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Speaker 2: been cost of living rises local factors may be yet right,
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Speaker 2: I think this is another example of this government following
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Speaker 2: its mad ideology and not common sense, and Aboriginal children
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Speaker 2: particularly are suffering for it. Now to the panel, Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 2: former Victorian Paddy President, Michael Costla, former New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Labor Treasurer. Gentlemen, both thanks to your time. Look at
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Speaker 2: three day curf you're out of springs at the start
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Speaker 2: of doc week. Is it a time we talked seriously
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Speaker 2: about average of Australian list in the remote areas? Has
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Speaker 2: the change if we're going to beat this endless cycle
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Speaker 2: of bad news at Michael.
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Speaker 12: Kroger, Well, of course, Andrew, We've just had a curfew
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Speaker 12: a few months ago. These are band aids, as we've
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Speaker 12: just heard. So where's all the billions of dollars gone
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Speaker 12: that we've spent over the years, state and federal and
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Speaker 12: territory governments.
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Speaker 2: Where's all that money gone?
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Speaker 12: I notice the Coalition tried to get an inquiry into
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Speaker 12: feasibility into looking at where that money had been spent.
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Speaker 12: Where's it all gone? Why our Abiginal family is still
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Speaker 12: living in squalor. But the truth of the matter, as
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Speaker 12: you and many others have pointed out, is that unless
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Speaker 12: we've got parental responsibility, discipline, schooling and end domestic violence
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Speaker 12: and into Aboriginal men bashing their wives, kids going to school,
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Speaker 12: stopping the drinking and gambling culture. Unless we deal with
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Speaker 12: those things, there's no magic cure. They'll keep having these
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Speaker 12: curfews till the cows come home. But Andrew sadly, sadly, sadly,
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Speaker 12: nothing will change.
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Speaker 2: I think it's really weird, Michael Costa to hear a
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Speaker 2: labor chief Minister of in the Northern Territory today suggests
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Speaker 2: her best broute to ending this. What we're seeing is
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Speaker 2: a the curfew, while b they get these visitors Aborigines
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Speaker 2: out of town.
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Speaker 8: Listen to this, So this curfew is about all of that,
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Speaker 8: getting on top of the issues of crime, but also
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Speaker 8: about returning people to country, returning people home to their
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Speaker 8: own states as well.
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Speaker 2: It's in part because about five thousand visitors are in
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Speaker 2: town for the out of Spring show. When even Labor
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Speaker 2: is saying that, oh, just get averages out of town
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Speaker 2: like this, you know, it almost sounds like something from
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Speaker 2: last century. We have got a problem here with politicians
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Speaker 2: offering no real solutions.
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Speaker 10: There's no doubt about that, Andrew. And Look, imagine if
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Speaker 10: a liberal or a coalition person said we've got to
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Speaker 10: get all these people out of town, they'd be attacked
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Speaker 10: as being racist. I mean, let's be fitting about this.
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Speaker 10: There's a small, probably a larger than small minority in
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Speaker 10: those particular communities that are causing this trouble. But to
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Speaker 10: sort of say you're going to remove five thousand people
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Speaker 10: because that potentially that's causing all of the problems, is
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Speaker 10: really an admission of failure. And I've got to say
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Speaker 10: to you, you know, I tried, when I was treasured
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Speaker 10: in New South Wales, for example, to do a zero
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Speaker 10: based budget on all of the Aboriginal programs, and the
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Speaker 10: reaction was horrific, you know, because there are vested interests
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Speaker 10: in using those funds in ways that the public is
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Speaker 10: not aware of. And that means, you know, for spending
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Speaker 10: it on bureaucratic solutions rather than on the ground solutions
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Speaker 10: for these problems. And until that's dealt with, you'll never
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Speaker 10: see any change. And that's partly the reason the public
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Speaker 10: voted against the Voice. They know that the Voice is
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Speaker 10: not going to solve these problems getting kids back to school,
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Speaker 10: getting those fundamental services in there, and giving opportunities. As
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Speaker 10: you're guess there Darren said, is really the solution.
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Speaker 2: So true, So true, Michael Krager. When you see the
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Speaker 2: Muslim Independence winning in Britain, beating Labor candidates and nearly
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Speaker 2: beating many more, how worried should labor here be about
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Speaker 2: a Muslim party?
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Speaker 12: Well, quite worried because politics is not about religion. Politics
22:28
Speaker 12: should be about the ordinary day to day affairs of government, defense,
22:32
Speaker 12: national security, the federal and state budgets, and then helping
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Speaker 12: the underprivileged and providing services for our community and being
22:42
Speaker 12: in charge of infrastructure, the police, education, health. This is
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Speaker 12: not a country where we want to fight the war
22:51
Speaker 12: over Palestine. We have very strong views about what should happen.
22:55
Speaker 12: But people seeking election to parliament because they want Hamas
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Speaker 12: to run the Palestinian state or they don't want Hamas
23:03
Speaker 12: to run the Palin state, we don't know. So Labor
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Speaker 12: should be worried. But this is this is the problem
23:08
Speaker 12: for labor because they haven't taken a principal stand in
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Speaker 12: relation to Israel, which is which should have been on
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Speaker 12: day one, to defend the only democracy, liberal democracy in
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Speaker 12: the Middle East and oppose terrorism and oppose organizations like HUMAS,
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Speaker 12: and not to give funding to UN bodies et cetera,
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Speaker 12: et cetera, et cetera, And so being weak on this
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Speaker 12: issue has led to the encouragement of these extremists like
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Speaker 12: that Fruki yesterday in her disgusting interview which she wouldn't
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Speaker 12: even talk about HUMAS being dismantled. So this is the
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Speaker 12: problem when you have one foot either side of the
23:43
Speaker 12: barbee fence, and that's what's Labor done, and they will
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Speaker 12: reap the world with Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Well, Michael Costs is picking up on what Michael craign
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Speaker 2: just said. I have been sickened and frightened really about
23:57
Speaker 2: how the Greens have been exploiting this, this conflict overseas
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Speaker 2: to muster the votes here, spreading really sectarian hatreds, fears,
24:08
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, and marine ferruci Green deputy leader
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Speaker 2: refusing five times. Yes, I had to say how much
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Speaker 2: would be disbanded. She couldn't even say she wants to
24:18
Speaker 2: see an end of a viciousism as terrorist group that
24:22
Speaker 2: massacred civilians, great civilians, kidnap civilians. Is it a time
24:28
Speaker 2: that Labour said the Greens are now so extreme, so toxic,
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Speaker 2: that Labor will no longer give them their preferences at
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Speaker 2: the election. Help Greens MPs get elected by swapping preferences.
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Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, I think that that is certainly should be
24:44
Speaker 10: on the agenda. And I've said for many years now
24:47
Speaker 10: that the Greens are essentially a party of division, and
24:51
Speaker 10: every time you support them, you legitimize them, and in
24:54
Speaker 10: the long runner under minds Labor in terms of the
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Speaker 10: Muslim Party. I just want to make the point that
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Speaker 10: clearly the solution to this is that both parties, that's
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Speaker 10: the main parties, refuse to give preferences to these They
25:06
Speaker 10: have a preference swap to isolate these people, because Michael
25:09
Speaker 10: Kraig is absolutely right, well there should be no comfort
25:13
Speaker 10: given to any form of racially based party or religious
25:17
Speaker 10: based party in this country. Labour's got a significant problem
25:21
Speaker 10: with the Greens, and really it's not just Israelis on everything.
25:24
Speaker 10: And I think the position they've taken at the moment
25:27
Speaker 10: on nuclear energy is another example of that. They could
25:29
Speaker 10: have split the Greens by taking a sensible position on
25:32
Speaker 10: this because half the Greens, as you know, are not
25:34
Speaker 10: there as environmentalists, are there as political left wing operatives,
25:38
Speaker 10: and there always has been. Yet there are a section
25:40
Speaker 10: of people there that believe in these climate policies and
25:43
Speaker 10: require some sort of policy agenda that meets those needs.
25:48
Speaker 10: And Labor and the Liberal Party could have united on
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Speaker 10: the nuclear energy to isolate a section of the Greens,
25:53
Speaker 10: and they haven't done that unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wonder what Greens like Senator Peter wish
26:01
Speaker 2: Wilson must be thinking as he's seeing some of these
26:04
Speaker 2: haters around him. I mean, he must be embarrassed and
26:06
Speaker 2: shamed in the Green I think privately to US politics,
26:11
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, which I've got to say, is making our
26:15
Speaker 2: own politics look absolutely fantastic and allticklary boo. US President
26:19
Speaker 2: Joe Bardens having real trouble stopping debate about his agent
26:23
Speaker 2: mental incapacity head of the November election. After a shocking
26:27
Speaker 2: performance in the debate against Donald Trump, here is on
26:30
Speaker 2: the weekend, yet again, trying to make everything good, but
26:33
Speaker 2: forgetting it actually won the twenty twenty election already here
26:37
Speaker 2: is they're trying to push me out on the race.
26:41
Speaker 6: Well, let me say as clear as I can, I'm
26:44
Speaker 6: staying in a race. I'll beat Donald Trump.
26:49
Speaker 2: I will beat him again in twenty twenty.
26:55
Speaker 12: Well, by the way, we're going to join again in
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Whoops. And now another Democratic Congressman, the influential Adam Schiff,
27:04
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, is in effect urging Buden to go. Here
27:07
Speaker 2: is the performance on the debate stage.
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Speaker 13: I think rightfully raised questions among the American people about
27:15
Speaker 13: whether the president has the vigor to defeat Donald Trump.
27:20
Speaker 2: And this is an existential race.
27:23
Speaker 13: Given Joe Biden's incredible record, given Donald Trump's terrible record,
27:28
Speaker 13: he should be mopping the floor with Donald Trump. Joe
27:33
Speaker 13: Biden's running against a criminal. It should not be even close.
27:36
Speaker 13: And there's only one reason it is close, and that's
27:39
Speaker 13: the president's age.
27:41
Speaker 2: Michael Krager, how much of this is a crisis not
27:44
Speaker 2: just for the Democrats but the United States.
27:48
Speaker 12: Well, that's part of democracy. You have good years and
27:51
Speaker 12: bad years in terms of the leaders of your country.
27:53
Speaker 12: We've had a few outstanding prime ministers and the one.
27:55
Speaker 12: We've had some ordinary ones. But the news for Joe
27:58
Speaker 12: Biden is he won't be running. He'll be standing down
28:02
Speaker 12: at or just before the Democratic Convention on the nineteenth
28:04
Speaker 12: of August. He will not be the Democratic candidate. That'll
28:07
Speaker 12: be Kamala Harris. Don't laugh, but that'll be Harris because
28:10
Speaker 12: she's the vice president and unless Michelle Obama, let's say
28:13
Speaker 12: Michelle Obama runs, she's the only one that they could
28:16
Speaker 12: pick apart from Harris. And then the question is who
28:19
Speaker 12: will be Harris's deputy? So it won't be Gavenue good
28:23
Speaker 12: news and.
28:24
Speaker 2: Then followed by shocking news. I mean Camala. I'm sorry,
28:28
Speaker 2: Andrew got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, Yep, yep, look,
28:31
Speaker 2: I know you're right, You're right, Michael Costlin, Michael Kroger,
28:34
Speaker 2: thank you very much to you both, dear me the
28:39
Speaker 2: US after the break Britain strange election result, a massive
28:44
Speaker 2: win to a Labor party that only twenty percent of
28:48
Speaker 2: Britain's actually voted for, and a new Foreign Minister who
28:52
Speaker 2: couldn't answer the most basic questions about history for foreign countries.
28:55
Speaker 2: I'll show you and you will be amazed, if not horrified.
29:03
Speaker 2: Back to that weird British election, I mean, a huge
29:06
Speaker 2: win for labor with a huge danger first Labor Labour
29:12
Speaker 2: hasn't been in government for fourteen years now, and I
29:15
Speaker 2: got to say some of its new ministers don't seem
29:19
Speaker 2: match fits. The new Foreign Secretary back when he was
29:23
Speaker 2: a contestant on Celebrity Master Man. Now true, this was
29:25
Speaker 2: a decade of girl but I've got to say his
29:27
Speaker 2: ignorance of foreign matters and even British history was astonishing.
29:32
Speaker 4: What was the married name of the scientist Marie and
29:35
Speaker 4: Pierre who won the Nobel Prize for Physics in nineteen
29:37
Speaker 4: oh three for their research into radiation.
29:39
Speaker 2: Antoinette Curie which fort Us.
29:41
Speaker 4: Was built in the thirteen seventies to defend one of
29:44
Speaker 4: the gates of Paris, and was later used as a
29:46
Speaker 4: state prison by Cardinal Richliers the Bastilli, who acceded to
29:50
Speaker 4: the English throne at the age of nine on the
29:52
Speaker 4: death of his father, Henry the Eighth in fifteen forty seven.
29:56
Speaker 2: Henry the seventh Edward the sixth.
29:59
Speaker 4: Which country is so Rose Revolution of two thousand and
30:01
Speaker 4: three led to the resignation of its president, Edward Shepperd Nazeh.
30:09
Speaker 2: Yugoslavia, No, it was Georgia. The more important is that
30:15
Speaker 2: this is a labor government under a new Prime Minister,
30:18
Speaker 2: Kirs Starmer, that was voted in by only twenty percent
30:22
Speaker 2: of British voters. That's because only sixty percent of voters
30:26
Speaker 2: even bothered to cast a vote for anyone, and of
30:28
Speaker 2: those who did, just thirty four percent voted Labor. Yet
30:32
Speaker 2: it's still got two thirds of the seats under Britain's
30:35
Speaker 2: First past post system, and that's because the Conservative vote
30:39
Speaker 2: was this time split between the Conservative Party and the
30:41
Speaker 2: new anti immigration Reform Party of Nigel Farage, who got
30:46
Speaker 2: fourteen percent of the vote but just five seats. So
30:50
Speaker 2: this Labor government has got huge political power, the very
30:54
Speaker 2: little public support or love. Joining me from London is writer,
30:58
Speaker 2: broadcast and columnist Esther. It's great to see this is
31:02
Speaker 2: a very lift wing government under a prime minister who
31:06
Speaker 2: just wants to manage I don't think it's a wild
31:08
Speaker 2: eardy log himself, but his inpiece do the same piece
31:12
Speaker 2: actually know they probably didn't really vote for them, but
31:15
Speaker 2: against They voted against the Conservative government.
31:20
Speaker 14: I think Kiirstarmer is very aware that his majority and
31:24
Speaker 14: his win is built on quicksand so if you actually
31:27
Speaker 14: look at the statistics behind this election, they're quite devastating
31:30
Speaker 14: for Kiirs Starmer and it's quite i spect frustrating for
31:34
Speaker 14: him to know that his own personal popularity is so low.
31:36
Speaker 14: I mean, this is a government that was elected with
31:38
Speaker 14: fewer votes than the Jeremy Corbyn won in twenty seventeen
31:42
Speaker 14: and twenty nineteen. So really the real story here is
31:46
Speaker 14: not that the Labor Party won, but the Tories lost.
31:49
Speaker 14: I mean the Tory vote just collapsed. Reform came second
31:52
Speaker 14: in a ninety eight Labor held constituencies, and that's just
31:56
Speaker 14: to demonstrate the scale of which the Toy is just
31:59
Speaker 14: completely fell off the map. They've lost, you know, the
32:01
Speaker 14: post Brexit coalition has completely imploded, and the Labor Party
32:05
Speaker 14: knows this. I mean, the Labor Party is effectively trying
32:08
Speaker 14: to vuy for the same territory that the Tories are.
32:11
Speaker 14: And this is what's presenting a huge opportunity for reform.
32:13
Speaker 14: For a new party which is basically four years old,
32:16
Speaker 14: to win four million votes on its first try, it
32:19
Speaker 14: is quite incredible. They want more votes than the Liberal Democrats.
32:22
Speaker 14: But the Liberal Democrats won seventy two seats and Reform
32:24
Speaker 14: one five. So of course calls for electoral reform are
32:28
Speaker 14: going to intensify. But the bigger question is what's going
32:30
Speaker 14: to happen in twenty twenty nine, because it's a huge
32:32
Speaker 14: opportunity for reform here. If the Tories don't get their
32:35
Speaker 14: acts together, which I suspect they won't, if Labor don't
32:38
Speaker 14: do very well and become very unpopular very quickly, which
32:41
Speaker 14: many of us are suspecting, there's a real chance for
32:43
Speaker 14: reform here to completely shift and the political map here
32:47
Speaker 14: in Britain.
32:49
Speaker 2: I think you could be right. Under this crazy voting system,
32:52
Speaker 2: they might get a tidal wave of support too, provided
32:55
Speaker 2: they get the right candidates. Quickly de France, though it
33:01
Speaker 2: held its second round of voting for the International Parliament.
33:04
Speaker 2: The anti immigration right, the National Rally of Marine Lapenn
33:08
Speaker 2: was tip to have a really good chance of winning,
33:10
Speaker 2: but became third. The leftist parties, Communist socialists, the right
33:16
Speaker 2: bag of parties buried their differences for a sec united
33:19
Speaker 2: as the new Popular Front and came first, with President
33:23
Speaker 2: of Macron's party second. And some of the left celebrated
33:25
Speaker 2: their win in the left dis way by burning stuff, smashing, looting,
33:28
Speaker 2: shooting fireworks of police. The thing is esther not one
33:32
Speaker 2: of those three parties got enough to form a majority,
33:36
Speaker 2: and that left wing knew Popular Front once to kill
33:38
Speaker 2: off of Macron's economic reforms, lower the voting age and
33:42
Speaker 2: so on. France could never afford it, and yet people
33:44
Speaker 2: voted for this. What's going on there?
33:48
Speaker 4: Yeah?
33:48
Speaker 14: So now France is looking at a hung parliament and
33:50
Speaker 14: we've seen the leader of the left wing coalition basically
33:53
Speaker 14: declare that the left has won and that he should
33:55
Speaker 14: be made prime minister. And if you're seeing a lot
33:58
Speaker 14: of the violence you're seeing on of many French cities
34:01
Speaker 14: are actually coming from left wing activists. Now, imagine if
34:03
Speaker 14: this was the right, and the right decided to protest
34:06
Speaker 14: in this way, they would treat it as a second
34:08
Speaker 14: coming of Nazi Germany. So it's interesting how the dialogue
34:11
Speaker 14: is going on there. But the real issue here again
34:13
Speaker 14: and France is facing its own electoral problems like the UK,
34:16
Speaker 14: is the nature of the electoral system. It really, particularly
34:19
Speaker 14: the second round, it has a way of perversing the
34:22
Speaker 14: popular vote. So what happened is many of the left
34:25
Speaker 14: wing and centrist parties pulled out their third place candidates
34:28
Speaker 14: from over two hundred constituencies in France in order not
34:31
Speaker 14: to split the votes to have a stronger sort of
34:33
Speaker 14: opposition to Marine La Penn's party. Now, I think that's perverse.
34:36
Speaker 14: I don't think you should be able to do that.
34:38
Speaker 14: I don't think you should be able to manipulate the
34:40
Speaker 14: electoral system in such a way. But the biggest loser
34:43
Speaker 14: of this clearly is Macron, who is now probably going
34:46
Speaker 14: to keep his his prime minister in place as a
34:48
Speaker 14: caretaker prime minister while negotiations are underway, probably well after
34:51
Speaker 14: the Olympics. So it's certainly not an ideal situation. But
34:55
Speaker 14: clearly what people are trying to ignore that they can't
34:57
Speaker 14: ignore it is France, like the UK, like many countries
34:59
Speaker 14: in Europe, are lurching to the right because the people
35:02
Speaker 14: that are governing them are simply not listening.
35:06
Speaker 2: Another case of the government not representing the voters. I
35:09
Speaker 2: would have thought, and I have to say, the party
35:12
Speaker 2: that came first is comprised of parties that can't agree
35:15
Speaker 2: with each other, so I don't know where that's going
35:17
Speaker 2: to go. The Olympics coming up, big security issues. My goodness, Estercratly,
35:23
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time after the break.
35:26
Speaker 2: The big con you haven't heard about about all those
35:29
Speaker 2: wind and solar factories. Guess who has to clean them
35:32
Speaker 2: up when the time comes that we're finished with them. Now,
35:36
Speaker 2: if you have got one on your farm, you are
35:39
Speaker 2: in trouble. There's a bit catch with these wind and
35:46
Speaker 2: solar factories that the Albanezy government wants built all around Australia.
35:50
Speaker 2: In fact, it wants six times more than we have already.
35:53
Speaker 2: And the catch is this, say you want to build
35:56
Speaker 2: a coal mark, you've also got to be able to
35:58
Speaker 2: pay for remedia, you know, turning back to nature when
36:02
Speaker 2: the mom is finished after some assets there. But who
36:05
Speaker 2: is insisting on that for these huge wind and solar factories.
36:09
Speaker 2: Now you take a wind generator already, it's got a
36:12
Speaker 2: problem disposing of the massive blades which need replacing every
36:16
Speaker 2: twenty years or so. But think what it would cost
36:19
Speaker 2: to also eventually have to get rid of the massive
36:21
Speaker 2: steel base that's built for each one and then all
36:24
Speaker 2: the concrete poured over that base. Residents near the panned
36:28
Speaker 2: solar factory at Gundery Planes near Goldben we're asking the
36:33
Speaker 2: same thing about that. Who's going to pay for the
36:35
Speaker 2: cleanup when that solar farm or factories at the end
36:39
Speaker 2: of its life, And unbelievably the answer seems to be
36:43
Speaker 2: who knows it's buyer. Beware, if you're a farmer who's
36:45
Speaker 2: released their land and some company from so China for
36:49
Speaker 2: solar panels or wind towels, it's on you. Hear it
36:52
Speaker 2: from New Southwest Premier Chris Milton Wins.
36:55
Speaker 15: The upfront fee that people receive for hosting or using
37:00
Speaker 15: renewable energy sites on their land is important, but they
37:04
Speaker 15: need to know the full picture and if decommissioning is
37:06
Speaker 15: part of that. They've got to be remunerated for it.
37:08
Speaker 10: In most cases bonds haven't been paid or there's no
37:11
Speaker 10: money put aside, and a lot of these when companies
37:14
Speaker 10: and solar companies may well not be there.
37:19
Speaker 2: Join me, is Stan More, chairman of the Save Gundary
37:21
Speaker 2: Planes action Group. This is a bit of a worry,
37:26
Speaker 2: is it? Thanks for joining us. A company called light
37:28
Speaker 2: Source bpiece This is going to build a solar factory
37:30
Speaker 2: out your way in factively one of two. There three thousand,
37:35
Speaker 2: six hundred acres in all, covered by one and a
37:38
Speaker 2: half million solar panels and three hundred invertisse stations. What's
37:42
Speaker 2: your worry with that?
37:44
Speaker 12: Well?
37:45
Speaker 6: Number one, should it actually go ahead? And having to
37:49
Speaker 6: live beside it. Our house is only one hundred and
37:52
Speaker 6: fifty meters from the border and we've got almost four
37:56
Speaker 6: kilometers of common boundary with one of those developments.
38:03
Speaker 2: But should it go ahead?
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Speaker 6: For a long time now, my concern has been who
38:10
Speaker 6: is going to actually not just switch it off when
38:13
Speaker 6: it's finished, but who's going to remediate and rehabilitate the land.
38:20
Speaker 6: We keep getting told, oh, you know will be around
38:26
Speaker 6: like light Source BP will be around. However, they have
38:30
Speaker 6: already sold the first five sol the factories that they've
38:35
Speaker 6: developed here in New South Wales and Queensland. In December
38:39
Speaker 6: they did a deal with Beijing Energy and have solved them.
38:44
Speaker 6: So who's going to be responsible We don't know. I
38:47
Speaker 6: don't think the bureaucrats know. And if you do the
38:51
Speaker 6: numbers and we haven't got a lot of numbers on
38:56
Speaker 6: solar panels and recycling of everything associated with that. It
39:03
Speaker 6: costs more actually to recycle a panel than it is
39:07
Speaker 6: to put it in a tip. It's a cheaper who
39:10
Speaker 6: bury it. But in relation to the wind towels now
39:14
Speaker 6: to the west of me, across the Great Dividing Range,
39:18
Speaker 6: we've already got around about squirlve, I think of these
39:24
Speaker 6: things and I'm aware of one operator there who was
39:29
Speaker 6: getting eighteen thousand dollars per tower per year. Now with
39:36
Speaker 6: the current costs of between four hundred and six hundred thousand,
39:43
Speaker 6: they it will with that income that the farmer's receiving
39:48
Speaker 6: will only it'll be twenty two to thirty three years
39:52
Speaker 6: before he breaks even. And so the money that is
39:56
Speaker 6: getting up front now and he's responsible for removing it.
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Speaker 2: Now, can you imagine I mean, I've just shown the
40:07
Speaker 2: size of these bases. It's just unbelievable what it would
40:11
Speaker 2: take to dig it all out of the ground, and
40:14
Speaker 2: no one seems to have thought hmmm. And it seems
40:17
Speaker 2: to be from what the Premier said on you you
40:21
Speaker 2: better be saving your money if you got one of
40:24
Speaker 2: these in your land, because the bill is coming to you.
40:27
Speaker 2: Stand more. All the best of a great article in
40:30
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Speaker 2: all the best in your fight. I mean letting him money.
40:36
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41:33
Speaker 2: huge backtrack from Warlworth great news after getting smashed by
41:38
Speaker 2: for not selling Australia merch Remember that, I wonder whether
41:42
Speaker 2: you'll now forgive it. Plus the Sydney Council removes this
41:45
Speaker 2: painting from an exhibition supposedly for religious art. I wondered
41:48
Speaker 2: what the organizers were thinking in the first place. Just
41:56
Speaker 2: in that damn butcher, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, just
41:59
Speaker 2: killed another twenty Ukrainians, about twenty just by firing missiles
42:04
Speaker 2: at Ukrainian cities, one at the hospital in Kiev. I
42:08
Speaker 2: mean seriously. Unlike with Hamas, Ukrainians do not use their
42:12
Speaker 2: hospitals as military centers. This is if you want to geniide,
42:16
Speaker 2: you want to start, this.
42:20
Speaker 16: Is it.
42:20
Speaker 2: I might have to go to Ukrainians check for myself
42:22
Speaker 2: what's going on there, but to some good news. I
42:25
Speaker 2: think even Woolworth's now realizes that most Australians hate all
42:30
Speaker 2: this stuff being used to divide us, and it's had
42:32
Speaker 2: a big change of heart, which will surprise you because
42:35
Speaker 2: you'll probably remember last year's debate on the Voice. Woolworth's
42:38
Speaker 2: backed it back the Voice. What's more banned Australia Day,
42:43
Speaker 2: no posters, no Australight a merchant are told shoppers who complained, well,
42:47
Speaker 2: Australia means different things the different parts of the community,
42:51
Speaker 2: and we want to show respect to all who come
42:53
Speaker 2: into our stores. No Austraight a merch. But it's huge backlash.
42:56
Speaker 2: Officers leader pit it up and said don't shop at
42:59
Speaker 2: Woolies wooll isn't as whoa whoops? We aren't going to
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Speaker 2: sell Australia Day flags for the Olympics. And guess what
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Speaker 2: we'll sell the flags after the Olympics too, which I
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Speaker 2: guess includes the next Australia Day. How about that? Join
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Speaker 2: me Daniel Weil. Deputy Executive Director in Institute of Public
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Speaker 2: Affairs is Stephen Javura, an author and senior lecturer in
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Speaker 2: history at Campion College. Stephen Java, do you think woo
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Speaker 2: Words has learned an important lesson?
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Speaker 8: Oh?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, look, I think it probably has, But I mean
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Speaker 16: it's I think the fact that they could do that
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Speaker 16: in the first place really showed that there's a deep
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Speaker 16: problem in Australian culture, and it's a problem of ingratitude.
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Speaker 16: I've never known a country that just dumps on itself
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Speaker 16: as much as Australia does. We are one of the
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Speaker 16: safest countries in the world, where a very democratic country.
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Speaker 16: We have some of the lowest rates of official corruption.
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Speaker 16: We're a prosperous country and yet you hardly ever hear
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Speaker 16: a good word about it from so many of our elite.
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Speaker 16: And what we actually need is to cultivate a culture
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Speaker 16: of gratitude, so corporations like Woolworths would never even dream
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Speaker 16: of doing what they did. And I don't call upon
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Speaker 16: the government to do this. I don't call upon schools
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Speaker 16: to do it. I actually call upon parents and grandparents
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Speaker 16: to start teaching their children about how great Australia is
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Speaker 16: and just demonstrating gratitude to this country that's been lovingly
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Speaker 16: handed down to us by our forebears.
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Speaker 2: What you don't love, you don't look after. But I
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Speaker 2: would disagree with you in one thing. I do call them,
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Speaker 2: the schools, to start teaching the good things about Australia
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Speaker 2: in preference to the alleged rotten Daniel Wilde.
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Speaker 7: What do you make of this, Well, I agree with
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Speaker 7: everything that Stephen has said about gratitude, and I would
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Speaker 7: add that you know, we've been talking about this, Andrew
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Speaker 7: for many months, which is when we fight for our values,
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Speaker 7: we can win. We saw that with the Voice to Parliament,
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Speaker 7: which was one of the most dramatic victories for the
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Speaker 7: Australian way of life that we have seen. Sixty percent
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Speaker 7: of US aliens voted no, including by the way, forty
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Speaker 7: percent of labor voters voted no against almost every single
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Speaker 7: major established institution in our country. We've seen it with
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Speaker 7: the pushback on Australia Day. Good on Peter Dutton for
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Speaker 7: calling for the boycott of well worse it worked. Many
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Speaker 7: people said it wouldn't work. Well it did, and it
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Speaker 7: shows that when we fight, we can win. Now, this
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Speaker 7: is by no means the end. It's just the beginning.
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Speaker 7: But as our job to make sure that the Voice
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Speaker 7: is a turning point in our national culture and our
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Speaker 7: national history. And I think there'll be many more victories
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Speaker 7: like this to come.
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Speaker 2: Well, one would hope. But you're right about the benefits
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Speaker 2: of fighting. If you don't fight, you'll never win. The
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Speaker 2: Mayor of Liverpool talking about values. The Mayor of Liverpool Council, Nedmnoon,
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Speaker 2: I know him as a good bloke of found has
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Speaker 2: now ordered the removal of a painting from a council
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Speaker 2: exhibition because the Christian community said it taken offense a
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ being portrayed as a Looney Tunes character. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'm not in favor of censorship. Really, what do you
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Speaker 2: make of this thieve? And is it right to remove
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Speaker 2: this painting for that reason? Or should critics in fact
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Speaker 2: wonder why it was there in the first place as
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Speaker 2: a finalist in what is our biggest prize for religious art,
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Speaker 2: the Blake Prize been around since nineteen fifty one.
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Speaker 16: Well, like you, I'm no fan of censorship, and look,
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Speaker 16: I think if for reasons of artistic quality it should
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Speaker 16: have been there, then so be it. I don't know,
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Speaker 16: I'm no art critic. One thing I will say, though,
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Speaker 16: is I think Christians need to be very careful about
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Speaker 16: too closely resembling other religious fanatics in Australia, where in
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Speaker 16: actual fact, one of the distinctive things about Christianity is
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Speaker 16: that we believe that persecution is a blessing. I draw
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Speaker 16: I'm a Christian myself. So I appeal to Christians to
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Speaker 16: remember Acts chapter five, where the apostles rejoiced that they
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Speaker 16: were persecuted, Matthew chapter five, where Jesus says, if you
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Speaker 16: are persecuted, you are blessed. Don't carry on like the
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Speaker 16: other fanatics. Look after your schools, look after your churches,
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Speaker 16: look after your families. Don't take offense on God's behalf.
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Speaker 16: Don't take offense on Jesus's behalf. He's not a snowflake.
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Speaker 16: He can take care of himself.
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Speaker 2: Yet I think this is an example of where when
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Speaker 2: you get this tribalism, that it becomes a zero sum
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Speaker 2: game and suddenly everyone's at it with tactics that certainly
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Speaker 2: have worked in censoring, for instance, cartoons of Muhammad. A
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Speaker 2: lot of people think, well, why can't we get that
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Speaker 2: kind of special dealing. What do you make of this, Daniel,
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Speaker 2: Because for I actually think the Irish would be on
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Speaker 2: the Blake Prize administrators. You know, this is something that
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Speaker 2: started more than seventy years ago. The idea was in
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Speaker 2: part to fill churches with more religious works. One the
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Speaker 2: first winner was Justin o'bron's Picture of the Madonna. But
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Speaker 2: since then it's increasing. It just seems to sneer at Christianity, featuring,
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Speaker 2: for instance, even a picture of Zama bin Laden morphing
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Speaker 2: into picture of Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, clearly, this isn't really artwork, as you say,
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Speaker 7: it's just an opportunity to snear at Christians. Look, I
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Speaker 7: completely understand the concerns of the local councilor, and I
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Speaker 7: suspect a lot of those Christians in his area who
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Speaker 7: have raised concerns could well have come from parts of
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Speaker 7: the world where Christians are persecuted, so they probably have
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Speaker 7: an antenna for these issues. But look, I don't think
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Speaker 7: there's a strong case to remove the painting. If the
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Speaker 7: council wants to remove it, they can. It's on a
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Speaker 7: council art gallery. But I think we want to be
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Speaker 7: very careful before we go down this road of removing
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Speaker 7: artwork or censoring speech on the basis that it causes offense.
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Speaker 7: I have no doubt that this genuine offense, but we've
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Speaker 7: got to be very careful.
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Speaker 2: So true, Daniel Wilsief Drew, thanks both for your time. Hey, Look,
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Speaker 2: last week put a picture of ABC crew of five
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Speaker 2: catalysts wearing wearing what seemed to be Kefius. Asked the
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Speaker 2: ABC were they Keffius is a parason protest? They never responded,
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Speaker 2: But it's seams, It was a cafea kind of clothing,
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Speaker 2: but for you know, armies protecting yourself from dust, So
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Speaker 2: not a political statement. That's it for me now. Caleb
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Speaker 2: Bond hosting Sharry good Night