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Got to jump into, we were going to jump into some playoff
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predictions and all that, but wait a minute, we talking about
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Darren upstate New York wheezing his ass off.
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How are you? Dude, it's cold.
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It snowed again. I went to pick up my daughter
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from college. It took like 10 hours from start
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to finish thanks to the snow. Yeah, just it's cold, it's
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windy, it sucks. Whatever.
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Down in El Toro de Mexico, Pedro, how are you today?
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It's warm, that's good. It's very warm and sunny, which
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is a positive thing. Although I haven't been outside
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all day because I've been in meetings all day, but outside of
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that, it looks lovely out there. After this, I am going to see
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hold on to this, I'm going to see Lionel Richie tonight,
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which. Hello, very good to me you're
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looking for. Well, I'm sure this week's news
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has you dancing on the ceiling. Yeah, Lionel Richie preference.
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There we go. One point for me.
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So yeah, like I said, we were going to go into, you know, we
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got our see if I can get it on there.
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Hey, while you're doing that, a little housekeeping, don't
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forget if you have not signed up for the Capital One Bull Mania
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contest, it actually starts on Saturday.
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And it actually does start with the Cricket Celebration Bowl,
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which kicks off at noon between South Carolina State and Prairie
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View A&M. We will not be covering or
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betting on that, but if you want to get off to a good start in
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the pool, please make sure you pick that game at 12:00 or
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you're already going to be a game behind.
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You just want to get that out there.
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All right, Well, yeah, like I said, we were going to cover
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these bowl games and some games going on this weekend, the
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playoff. We have thoughts on that coming
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up as well. But then a fun thing happened
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yesterday. About 3:00 we get a notice on
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our phone and well, as you can tell by the Block M on our
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screen here, Michigan has fired Sharon Moore.
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Christmas came early for Pete, probably not for the reasons he
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expected, but well guys, the floor is yours.
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Darren, do you want to go first so you can get a word in
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edgewise I? Would just like to say shame on
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the shame on the college football world for paying
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attention to the wrong college football coach girlfriend.
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You know, you're all worried about Belichick.
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You know, I'm just going to leave this shame on shame on the
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college football world. But yeah, I mean, I, I remember
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texting you guys a screenshot of what had happened.
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And then it just seemed like every hour it got worse and
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darker and it got really dark. It got bad.
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You know, I, I I'm not going to get into any details.
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I mean, let's face it, you know, we we know Pete and probably a
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lot of Michigan fans didn't want this guy coaching his team.
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But man, there's a lot of people's lives are effed up
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because of this guy, so. I did manage to catch a couple
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live streams from Michigan fan bases last night and a lot of
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them were like, you know, they're kind of happy he's gone.
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I don't think Pete was alone in this, but if you want to go
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ahead, we'll give Pete the floor.
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Yeah, have have at it man. I love that.
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I That's great. Yeah.
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I mean, I've been lobbying for his head for a while.
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Anyway, that's not news to anybody who watches this show.
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I've been very disappointed with his coaching, with his
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recruiting, with a number of things.
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So yeah, Christmas did come early.
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But we don't need shame on the program and the process, right?
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Just fire the guy for being incompetent and not doing his
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job. We didn't need this.
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There's been rumblings for a bit behind the scenes that something
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could have been going on. There was an investigation back
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in the summer where they did interview both Sharon and this
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girl where both of them flatly denied it back in the summer.
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So there was nothing to go on. So that went nowhere.
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Rumblings kept continuing through the fall multiple times
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that there was something going on.
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It kept popping up over and over and over again.
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Once again, there wasn't much to go on because there was no
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evidence right at the end that you're not going to fire a coach
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for just some hearsay when there is really no evidence to support
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it. So apparently what happened
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very, very recently, like this week, is that the girl decided
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to speak. A lot of it seems to be that her
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dad maybe maybe started this conversation with Ward Emanuel.
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So it looks like that's direction it came from.
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Is her dad or her dad convinced her to do it?
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They did it together. It's not entirely clear at this
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point, but her dad was involved somehow.
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And so up until this point, neither one of them would say
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anything. And then she slash her dad had
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this conversation and produced clear evidence.
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I would imagine that's texts, pictures, God knows what.
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There apparently was a pregnancy, abortion, all kinds
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of things that happened. So, so I'm guessing she probably
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showed medical evidence of that as well.
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So it it went very quickly from evidence, it went to the board
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and the board quickly took action and he was fired.
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So obviously we've seen some of the stuff that's happened since
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then where he lost his freaking shit immediately.
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Well, imagine that, right? So the number one, first you,
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you just ended his career, right?
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I mean, who the heck's going to hire this guy again for
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anything? Or he ended his career, he goes
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home, he has to tell his wife, but by the way, he has a bunch
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of kids that he got fired for what reason?
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So he's got to tell her that, oh, by the way, I was cheating
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on you, got fired for that. Oh, by the way, all the money
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that we're bringing in gone, right?
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So they got in an argument. He left.
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It seems the police report's not out yet, but we're not exactly
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sure. It seems that he went to her
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house and either tried to break in or something, threatened to
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kill himself, maybe tried to try to do something to her as well,
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or threatened to, was arrested, and now he's in jail.
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They haven't indicted him yet. Apparently that's up in the air
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of when that's going to happen. It's not going to happen today,
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maybe tomorrow, who knows where that goes.
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So it's not clear exactly what happened with the whole police
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thing and I don't want to speculate, I don't know, but
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some bad stuff, right? This guy obviously had a
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massive, massive breakdown after this occurred.
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So I feel terrible for his family and everybody else is
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awful. I feel bad for this girl who
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went through this and her family freaking terrible.
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Apparently this girl, to make it even worse.
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So she's an assistant. Who was the girl who actually
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took care of the family on game day?
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So she was the girl that was taking the his, his wife and his
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kids around the stadium on game day.
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So that was that close to the family.
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So this was bad. This is bad in every way you can
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possibly think about it being bad.
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So this is a betting show. We're not getting into all that.
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I'm not going any deeper that that's as much as I know at the
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moment. There's a lot of spectrum, as
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you can imagine. I'm a Wolverine.
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There's a bazillion people that I know there's that have all
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kinds of inside information, all kinds of other stuff.
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Not getting into it. What I do care about, because
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this is a betting show, is where we go forward with coaching.
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There's honor rumors out there. Obviously, Kaylyn de Boer is
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number one on the list right now.
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There's a lot of reasons for that.
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He has ties to Michigan. He was at Eastern for some time.
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As a matter of fact, Ward Manuel's wife is the realtor who
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was working, you know, with Kaylyn's wife when they moved.
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So there's a connection there already.
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Dusty May, who coaches at the Michigan basketball team who's
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really good right now, also was at Eastern.
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So there's this little connection thing going on there,
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which is interesting. So it would seem that the, you
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know, kind of leader in the clubhouse by far right now is
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probably Caitlin de Boer. And and certainly if they lose
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this first game of theirs, I would think he might very well
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be the person that gets hired simply because then the scrutiny
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he's going to take in Bama is buyouts pretty low.
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I would think that he's going to just be here.
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I would think that's what's going to happen.
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Likely. It's not the person.
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I mean, obviously he's got the connections.
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You know, he's got Fama. I mean it's hard to not like
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that higher. I'm APJ Fleck guy that he's not
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even being talked about right now.
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Honestly, that's not going to happen.
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There's a bunch of others, you know, that that are being kicked
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around. So we'll see.
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But I at the moment, I think it really it's Caitlin or family
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number one by far. I mean, obviously there's the
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wish list of people like John Harbaugh and the whole family
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thing. That's probably not going to
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happen right now. But largely because there is a
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big rift right now between Harbaugh, the Harbaugh family
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and that whole tree of people and the leadership at U of M.
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It's just an issue with them. So I don't think any of the
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people that are in that group will come back to U of M as long
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as that administration is still there.
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Special Ward, so that won't happen right now.
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Could that happen if they left? Maybe, but it's not going to
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happen now. So you know, Kaylin probably
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there's there's a few others in play that makes some sense, but
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it gets really interesting beyond that, which I'm sure we
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can talk about. If Kaylin goes, who goes to
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Bama? Right is Lane.
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Kiffin, Lane Kiffin. Over there because you know,
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it's lane, lane, lane does lane things and I would not.
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After a one month tenure at LSU. Lane, It's funny, I watch the
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other podcast and politics and such, and one of the guys, the
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big LSU guy, and they're so happy to have Lane.
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That'd be funny as hell. Left immediately.
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So whole lot of weird stuff going on.
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I'm sure we'll have more talks if more information comes out.
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But yeah, this has been a huge black eye for the university.
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Not good at all. Really hard to watch yesterday
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and especially for all the people that are just getting
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hurt by this. That's so bad.
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So anyway, that's my spiel. I'm done.
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But very, very sad. Do you think the rumors coming
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out had anything to do with a loss to Ohio State or that
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they're going to come out anyway?
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Like even if they had beat Ohio State and somehow won the Big 10
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going into the playoffs. They were coming out anyway
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because it did This didn't really, I mean this this has
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been a rumor kicking around since the summer, well before
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any of this camp and before any losses or anything else.
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It just this took, you know, came to a head because she
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because she started talking right now.
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What compelled her to talk? I think it sounds like her dad
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is what compelled her to talk. So I don't know.
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I think we'll find out more information about what happened
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there. But this came from her because
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she was not speaking before. So I don't know if they broke up
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right. There was some kind of issue
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with the relationship that caused this, which seems to kind
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of sound like it would be. But something happened there in
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that relationship and now she started speaking and that was
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it, 'cause she had evidence and done now.
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He might, I mean eventually coach again.
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I mean, he freezes coaching again.
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Yeah. Coaching again, but.
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Not with the second part of this, with the first part.
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If he just got fired with the relationship, fine.
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Oh. Yeah, then everything else,
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yeah, I guess. Forget it's fine, right?
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But then you get arrested and he say if he truly try to assault
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her or something. Who the hell is going to hire?
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He did that too. Oh.
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Boy, well, he did something. He's in jail.
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I mean, so if he gets indicted for trying to assault her or
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something, forget he's done, right?
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It's the first part he could provide, the second part forget
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he's done. Yeah, the only things I heard
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from today, you know, expect Ward Manual to be fired in the
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coming week as he knew about this and they conveniently
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waited till after signing time. Yeah.
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Suddenly make this public. He is.
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Sharon is supposed to appear in court tomorrow.
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I also heard. So able to hear his side.
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Obviously, I don't know what he's going to say, but you know,
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he I guess he'll get his day in court like everybody is entitled
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to. And Pete, I don't know if you've
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heard about this like, you know, now with the the poor rules.
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Coach gets fired. Yeah, Ryce Underwood, consider
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leaving. I mean, how much talent that
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they currently have may they not have?
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But they they could but they have to wait.
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But there there is a rule in place not worth they have to
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wait till the new coach is higher right.
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So they can't leave now. They have to wait.
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Till they have five day, I think 5 days or something like.
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That right, So and if you hire a start of a coach, if you hire
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Kaylyn or somebody, I mean, sure, then they have fine that
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these players can make their decision.
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But I mean, I don't know why you would leave if you have a a
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really good coach and a really good program, I don't know why
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you would leave. But they could.
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They could choose to leave for sure.
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The silver lining of all this, if there is one interim head
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coach targeting winners favorite Bif Pogi, him and all of his
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hedge funds and sausage making analysis lead them into the what
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the Cheez it bowl? Yeah, Cheez it bowl.
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Yeah. Let's get can we talk about
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college football now? Can we?
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Let's do that. Let's do that.
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So all the college football bracket came out and Alabama in,
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Miami in, Notre Dame out and you got a feel for Notre Dame.
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I mean, nothing ever goes their way.
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When are they going to catch a break?
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You know, ever. I mean, feels so bad for Notre
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Dame, but the committee? Came on the show saying I wasn't
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going to talk, but now you're, now you're.
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Poke, poke, poke. Here we go.
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So I thought I thought this year was funny.
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Catholics versus committee. I think, you know, it's there.
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So I mean, they bring the memes out there.
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I don't know if you have any thoughts on this.
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I mean, I think Alabama should have been left out.
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I think that's a consensus that Notre Dame should have been in
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and Alabama out so that since ESPN runs this thing, they're
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going to put, you know, they're going to put the SEC teams in
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over anybody else, even with, you know, for some reason,
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everyone talks about the leverage that Notre Dame has,
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which is why they're getting the automatic bid next year and all
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this other stuff. I don't see why, but I don't
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know. Any thoughts on maybe them
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joining a conference now or? I can tell you why they get the
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automatic state. Well first of all they have to
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be ranked at A at a certain spot depending on how many teams are
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in. Probably 10 or higher or. 12 or
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higher, if they if it stays 12, they have to be in the top 12 to
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be guaranteed a spot. If it goes to 14 or 16, they
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have to be in the top 13. And then I see a lot of the
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Notre Dame haters. Why did they get why?
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Why did they why? I don't know.
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They're going to squeeze Notre Dame out of the schedule.
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First of all, all the other Power 4 conferences signed off
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on this as being OK. So if you're going to be mad at
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anybody, I mean, don't be mad at Notre Dame, be mad at all the
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other commissioners that said they could do this.
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I mean, what school wouldn't do this if given the opportunity?
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They're not gonna join a conference.
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They do too. You know, they, they, every time
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you went around in the playoff bracket, you get a certain
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amount of money. Notre Dame didn't have to share
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any of that money last year with anybody.
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Why would they? Why would any school want to
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share it? But all the other conferences
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have to share it. So they're not going to go to a
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conference. They're going to take that US
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against the world mentality. Do I think they should have been
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in the playoff? No, I don't.
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Your resume was not that good. You had two games against
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playoff teams. You lost them both.
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When one of those we're not even having this conversation.
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You know, this whole I'm going to say it.
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They're acting like little bitches.
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I'm sorry, I'm a Notre Dame supporter, but this whole thing,
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this press conference with this AD bro, that was 20 minutes of
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my life. I can't get back.
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You're acting like a petty little bitch, just, you know,
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win one of those two games and none of this is even a thing.
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Do I understand the opting out? Fine.
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You're, you're, you're not against Miami or anybody like
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that. You're against the whole
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selection process. I get that.
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You know, you moved Alabama up two weeks ago for an unknown
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reason. And then what's that idiot's
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name that's running the committee?
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You're a check, hunter. You're a check.
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Who, by the way, looks like he couldn't preside over a trip to
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Chuck E Cheese, much less 12 other people making decisions on
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who should be playing in the postseason.
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I think the thing that really pissed Notre Dame off, and to be
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fair, BYU, Vanderbilt and to some extent the Texas fan bases,
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you came right out and said, all right, we dropped BYU below
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Miami because they basically got whacked in their conference
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championship game. But.
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You didn't do it to Bama. Didn't do it to Bama got.
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Whack. Yeah.
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All these teams that stayed home, Texas, Vandy, Notre Dame,
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Miami, they all had more rushing yards than Alabama did.
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OK, Because Alabama had -3 rushing yards against Georgia.
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I had more rushing yards in. Alabama, yes, you did, and you
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looked great doing it as. Well, I'm entering the transfer
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portal as. Well, you should, but like, why
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did you not drop Bama? You know, I it's just and that
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just basically comes out and tells me, yeah, everybody that
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thinks this is a whole ESPNSEC makes these decisions.
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I mean, I don't know if I totally believe that, but what
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other assumptions could you make after that show?
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I I don't know. So I get what Notre Dame's
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doing. And, you know, I not out of the
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bowl game. I don't really care.
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Like I was, I was talking to Pete about this last night.
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If supposedly there was a team meeting, you met with your
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captains, you met with your seniors, if you all unanimously
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decided we don't want to play in this game.
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All right, that's cool. Nine other programs at this
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point, as we're sitting here, have opted out anyway, so I I
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don't really care. Like if you watched the Pop Tart
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Bowl, you think Jeremiah Love is going to suit up for that before
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he goes to the pros? You think he should?
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That's the People's Championship game.
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Listen. There is nothing I want more.
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It is my bucket list to stand on the sideline and take a bite out
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of a six foot pop tart. I'm not gonna lie that I mean,
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there is that. I wouldn't share a six foot pop
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tart. I'm not sure if it was.
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S'mores I would fight you so that you wouldn't be allowed any
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cause s'mores pop tarts the ball.
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But I'm just saying I I see both sides.
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The timing makes you look like you're just a petty group of
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bitches, and to some extent you are.
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But you know what the other side of that is?
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Well, they played six ACC. Well, it'd be mad at the ACC for
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sucking ass. I, I, I don't know what else to
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tell you. They had two big 10 teams on
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their schedule. They had two SEC teams on their
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schedule. It's not their fault that the
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ACC blows. I mean, you got a five loss team
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win your conference. You know, maybe you, you should
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be better. You know, I, I could see both
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sides of it. Not not leaning towards
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supporting my team right now but.
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I just take that whole charade that they put with, you know,
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they during the championship games, they show the committee
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there in some room with a bunch of TV's and they're all sitting
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there in big lounge chairs eating like finger foods and
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like, oh, well, that was a big play right there.
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A big play. Like they already know what
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they're going to do. They were going to do exactly
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what they were going to do. And the fact that they they do
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this in the weekly shows every week, it's.
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Yeah. Do away with the polls, do away
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with the committee. It's go back to the old way.
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That's what we should do, Go back to the old way.
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The bottom line is the the goal of the committee, per their
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website, is to get the 12 best teams in your.
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Your criteria right now does not allow that.
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It does. Not and you had two teams
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absolutely playing like ass, which conveniently or both in
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the Southeast Conference, Oklahoma and Alabama, they both
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should have been out. I think Miami should have been
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in and you can argue till the end of time whether Notre Dame
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or BYU should have gotten that other spot or Vanderbilt.
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I, I don't care. You can even make a case to me
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for Vanderbilt and I wouldn't be mad at you.
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But it's the process I think that Notre Dame and everybody
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else is upset about and and right fleece and just all the
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switching. Why why didn't you have Miami
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ahead of Notre Dame after, you know, they beat them?
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I get Miami had a couple of bad losses.
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Maybe you dropped Miami too far. Maybe you had Notre Dame too
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high. But ever since Texas beat
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Vanderbilt midway through the season, you always had Texas
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above Vanderbilt right up until the very end.
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So. The process, we all know it
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sucks and there's so much hatred towards bowl games, which I
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don't understand. I love bowl season as a fan, as
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a better, but you do on New Year's Day like this, exactly
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like like this in the whole Michigan thing.
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I think this is just the the tip of the iceberg for both of these
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situations. I think it's going to get a lot
20:22
uglier before it starts to get better.
20:24
But that's my thoughts. They shouldn't be in, but the
20:29
criteria should be changed because.
20:33
They failed to think ahead. They always plan for this year,
20:37
then they did something for next year.
20:39
That whole automatic bid that's going to screw something else up
20:41
next year, then they're going to change that.
20:43
And every year they keep changing the rules.
20:45
They, they don't know how to think five years down the line,
20:48
6 years down the line and, and anything I remember when you
20:52
know, Miami, Virginia Tech and I think maybe Boston collar Pitt
20:56
came into the ACC and they were like, well, we'll put Miami and
21:00
the other side that way. We get 2 Florida State Miami
21:03
games every year. We get the, the regular season
21:05
game and then we get the conference championship game.
21:07
And then they didn't realize that one or both of these teams
21:10
are going to suck at any given time.
21:12
And then for the next 25 years, we've never had a Florida State
21:15
Miami championship game in the ACC because either Florida State
21:17
sucks or Miami sucks or they both suck.
21:20
And then we end up with, you know, Duke and whoever.
21:23
Go back to the BCS, go back to divisions.
21:25
I don't care what you got. To do bring back the Big Eight,
21:28
bring back the Southwest Conference.
21:31
Every week, every week they were valuing something is more
21:33
important. Yeah.
21:35
Well. The head to head is important.
21:36
Well Alabama looked great getting up 17 to nothing before
21:39
playing like ass for the rest of the season.
21:41
I just, you know, it's. Not consistent, right?
21:44
It's not clear. It's not consistent.
21:45
You don't know what they actually consider and more
21:47
important than anything else, and it is changing whatever they
21:49
want. Changes weekly.
21:50
All right guys, this is a whole other show which we can.
21:52
Do Yeah, We'll, we'll play it this weekend.
21:55
Here we go. That's a great February.
21:57
Show. Great live stream, everybody can
21:59
come in and bitch with us it'll. Be one of us, it'll be great.
22:02
Saturday, 3:00 Baltimore, MD Army Navy.
22:06
We got our Navy favored by 2 1/2 over under 39 1/2.
22:10
The series has been bookended. The first meeting was won by
22:13
Navy 24 to nothing and last year they won 31 to 13.
22:18
I don't have a bet on this one. This is usual little friendly
22:23
spat between my neighbors. We got Bill and Julie on one
22:25
side with all the Navy stuff. We got Mr. Bob on the other
22:27
side, old Army vet with all the Army stuff.
22:30
So those who go back and forth, it's good times for all.
22:33
So not going to lie, I'm rooting for Mr. Bob and Army this time.
22:36
So he always has treats for my dog and so he's always a very
22:40
nice guy. So go Army.
22:41
I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on this game, but
22:44
that's my thoughts. Go Army.
22:46
I'm just curious what you guys can let me know what the current
22:48
line is because for some reason I thought Navy is now favored by
22:51
a lot more than that. I can't look at it here.
22:55
It involves a New York college. It doesn't even show on my apps.
22:58
But sometimes I thought maybe went up to like 5 1/2 or 6 or
23:03
something like that, but. Did the total move?
23:05
I'm wondering. I have no idea.
23:08
Yeah, I said. I haven't any time to look again
23:09
today. Yeah.
23:12
Let me look here. No, no, no, no.
23:18
I'll get out of here. Well, while you guys are looking
23:21
that up, I'll just go because I, I, I don't have a bet on this
23:23
due to the whole, you know, Army being in New York.
23:25
Five and a. Half 5 1/2 OK so it has gone up
23:28
and that makes sense but I I did write down I did have a lean to
23:31
the under if I was making a bet. I also have a lean on Navy here.
23:34
I know these games are usually close.
23:37
The lower total covering 5 1/2 or 6 seem ridiculous, but Navy
23:42
changed our offense a lot going into last year and you can see
23:44
from the result Army had no idea how to stop it with the 18 point
23:47
victory. Yeah, Army's team last year had
23:49
Bryson Daly and Kanye Udo, that quarterback and running back
23:52
respectfully. Both those guys are gone.
23:55
I don't want to say Navy rolls here because I know this is
23:58
obviously a gigantic rivalry game.
24:00
Both sides well represented in Baltimore this weekend.
24:05
I don't know if Army has figured anything out and I guess we'll
24:08
find out. I just don't know if they have
24:10
the the skill positions on offense to keep up here.
24:12
Horvath supposed to play for Navy?
24:15
I watched that game Thanksgiving night, the second-half where
24:17
they pretty much dominated Memphis on the road.
24:19
Navy did. Think you're looking at
24:22
something similar margin of victory for Navy this year as
24:24
well. That would be my lean.
24:29
Yeah, I've got, I've got a bet on this one.
24:31
So 39 1/2. It did move a little bit down to
24:34
38 1/2. Right now, just looking live, it
24:37
looks like pretty much everybody has 38 1/2.
24:39
So it's come down a little bit. Actually, there's one that's 38.
24:42
Yeah, that feels about right. I mean, other than last year
24:44
that was pretty high scoring for this game.
24:45
This this game has traditionally been very low scoring, just
24:50
almost almost always like a really low scoring game.
24:53
That's what I'm playing here. I'm playing the fact that this
24:55
game is close, it's tight, it's low scoring.
24:59
It's just one of those things, you know, I didn't even look to
25:01
see what the weather was going to be, but quite often the
25:03
weather can be. Supposed to be nice.
25:05
Is it OK supposed? To be not well, not a factor.
25:08
I don't know if it'll be nice December in the Mid-Atlantic
25:10
State, but. And everyone could get in there.
25:13
It doesn't seem to matter, right?
25:14
I mean, it's just a close physical game.
25:16
No surprise with these two units here.
25:18
So yeah, I mean, I think it's going to be a relatively close
25:21
game, but a low scoring game. So that 39 1/2 fell pretty high
25:25
to me, just at least historically for this game.
25:27
So to me it's a one unit play on the under all.
25:31
Right. Any final thoughts on that one
25:33
or should we just move on? Well, you didn't give yours.
25:36
Do you have any final thoughts on?
25:37
That no, no final thoughts, no army, I guess for the.
25:40
Guy that gives your dog treats. Yeah, the guy that gives my dog
25:43
treats. Therefore, I'm rooting for Army
25:45
and I have no other views on this game.
25:49
Just watch my neighbors RIP on each other.
25:50
So let's go into the Gronk Bowl or what is this called the LA
25:55
Bowl Bucked up whatever it is. So we got Boise State in
26:00
Washington, opening line was Washington -8 1/2 over under 51
26:05
1/2. Boise, say going to the PAC 12.
26:08
They're getting the band back together next season or so.
26:11
And you guys got any thoughts on this one?
26:17
I lean over both these quarterbacks.
26:19
Madsen and Williams are supposed to play.
26:23
Boise State's probably not going to have too much excess running
26:25
the ball. Washington is really good at
26:27
stopping the run, so I expect them to go to the air, which
26:30
y'all know. A lot of times incomplete
26:32
passes, they're going to stop the clock.
26:34
It's going to allow for more plays.
26:36
I think this is going to be a point fest.
26:38
If that's 51 1/2 I do have a lean to the over, but no, no
26:44
official play for me. Peter.
26:47
Yeah, same. I was leaning heavily in the
26:49
over here. I almost play the overs.
26:51
I expect quite a quite a few quite a few points here.
26:53
So I expect the scoring fest. Of course, sidebar with the
26:56
whole Michigan thing. Jet Fish is on the list, on the
27:00
very short list to be a potential Michigan coach as well
27:03
'cause he has connection to Michigan.
27:04
So I don't know what that means or if it plays with this game at
27:07
all in terms of how the team is prepared or how his mindset is
27:11
going in. Probably not, other than the
27:13
fact that just going to let the score is scoreboard as usual.
27:16
So yeah, I expect a high scoring game here.
27:18
That over is very enticing. I decided not to play because I
27:21
didn't want to play everything here.
27:22
But yeah, it's leaning heavily over here.
27:26
All right. You guys were leaning over.
27:28
I am betting over for a lot of the reasons you guys just said.
27:31
Also, you know, Washington does not commit very many penalties
27:36
or fewer penalties in Boise State.
27:38
They have a really good kickoff return game.
27:41
So maybe that'll lead to some short fields high play by him on
27:45
Boise State. They're going to keep the plays
27:46
rolling and rolling and rolling. It's going to be a lot of plays,
27:48
a lot of yards, scoring fest. Boise State does protect the
27:53
passer a little bit better than I think than Washington does.
27:56
So maybe if there's a scooping score off of a sack possibility,
28:00
maybe it's not a freak like that.
28:01
Usually bowl game, something crazy always happens.
28:04
A lot of explosive plays from Washington.
28:06
This whole thing for me just screams over.
28:08
So I put a unit down on the over of 51 1/2.
28:14
We all agree that scares the crap out of me.
28:16
Same bro, I was thinking about betting that I am holding off
28:19
now I'm not even dodging it. So 1 unit.
28:23
That's this Saturday, 8:00 All right, now we got the Salute to
28:29
Veterans Bowl opening line is Troy -3 the over under is also
28:35
once again 51 1/2 Tay Meadows for Troy opting out.
28:40
He's starting running back. There's an opt out for
28:44
Jacksonville State or no. He's also on the defense, but
28:47
this guy doesn't really play that much.
28:48
So DJ Jackson, you're opting out.
28:52
Good luck to you. So we got Tuesday, next Tuesday
28:55
the 16th at 9:00 Montgomery, AL Darren, your thoughts on this
28:59
one start with you. I have.
29:01
None, like you said, Trey Meadows out definitely hurts
29:03
Troy. Their quarterback Goose Crowder
29:05
was hurt, came back, got hurt again so who knows if he's going
29:08
to play or not. Jacksonville State's defense
29:10
kind of ass. Not sure what to expect from
29:13
them. Had to make a play here.
29:15
I would take the three though with Jacksonville State just
29:17
because I don't know what Troy's going to do for a running game
29:20
here and Jacksonville State could certainly control the
29:23
clock here in this one. But you know the the opt outs
29:27
and everything. I'm a little leery, especially
29:29
when a a good skilled position player opts out.
29:32
Love the points, hate the defense, so I'm just going to
29:36
going to stay away here. I'm.
29:39
Peter yeah, for some of those reasons that 51 1/2 I mean, I
29:43
thought about the under here and just the opt outs and and then,
29:47
you know, it seems to me that it could very well go under here.
29:50
I I I was not very confident in that.
29:52
Plus I just, I do like betting Troy But I I thought I'd avoid
29:55
it here just because it's, it's just, there's too many opt outs.
29:57
I'm not quite sure what to do with this thing.
29:59
But I do think it's going to be a lower scoring bowl game in
30:02
that respect. So, you know, I so I'm leaning
30:05
under, but I didn't think it was worth the play here.
30:07
So those are my thoughts. OK, I was actually leaning a
30:11
little money line bowl sprinkle here.
30:13
We got the turnover ratio was massive in favor of Jack State.
30:18
Also with Meadows opting out a big offensive player there
30:22
getting 3. So I was actually leaning
30:24
towards a little money line here with Jack State.
30:28
But I just lean I when I bet a lot, I lose a lot.
30:32
I bet on like every game last week and it was a disaster.
30:34
So I'm not going to bet on all the bow games as much as I would
30:36
love to. But yeah, if I was going to bet
30:39
on this one, I would take a gamble with the the money line
30:42
and I would have taken Jack State.
30:44
And also for some reason, I just everyone thinks, yes, he's the
30:47
best. I think the Sunbelt's the worst.
30:50
I don't know. I know they have James Madison
30:52
in in the playoffs and everything.
30:53
But yeah, so for whatever reason, I just think, you know,
30:57
comment Tuesday is better than the Sunbelt.
30:58
But other than that turnover, turnover ratio was like
31:03
screaming at me to there's going to be some big plays, especially
31:06
with the backup running back in. I can see Jack State pulling
31:08
this one out. Any thoughts on that?
31:13
The Mac is the worst efforts in football, but it's the most.
31:17
It it isn't me again, yeah. I don't want to discourage our
31:19
favorite conference. No, I'm just, that's why I said
31:22
we love it the most. But as far as quality of
31:24
football? Yeah, it's not great.
31:26
Right. Yeah, bad.
31:29
All right, now we got the Cure ball, so we got Ronald Smith on
31:31
guitar. Excellent.
31:33
Simon Gallup. I'm oh, wait, I'm sorry.
31:35
That's the wrong cure. I'm sorry.
31:37
I. Think, I think two of those guys
31:39
are playing quarterback for their respective teams.
31:40
Because we. Don't have any starters here
31:43
anymore. Opening line South Florida -7 I
31:47
think it went down to 6 1/2 over under 56 1/2.
31:53
Old Dominion looking at for their first ten win season opt
31:56
outs. Byron Brown, the quarterback
31:58
quarterback for both teams. Colton Joseph is also out.
32:00
I had a bet I put in before I knew all of this, but we'll
32:04
start with Peter. What do you think on this game?
32:06
Yeah, me too. I had a bet I put in before all
32:08
this too, which was the over 56 1/2.
32:12
Yeah, I decided to roll with it. Why not?
32:14
I mean, you know, having the quarterbacks out is not exactly
32:17
helping my cause here. But then again, and the guys
32:20
we're going to fill in, throw a few picks, few fumbles, gosh
32:23
knows what happens. It's a bowl game.
32:25
You never know what's going to happen here.
32:26
I mean, I don't trust either one of these defenses all that much.
32:29
So it doesn't, you know, plus they haven't seen these
32:31
quarterbacks. So we're going to play sometimes
32:33
that that plays well, right? When you get get a guy out there
32:35
that don't, they have no tape on the guy.
32:37
He hasn't done anything. He starts flinging the ball
32:39
around the fields to bowl games. So who cares?
32:41
You know, there's been some pretty interesting performances
32:43
in bowl games with guys who just come off the bench, don't play,
32:46
start flinging the ball around and nobody's really seen them
32:49
play. And all of a sudden they're, you
32:50
know, they, they throw for 350 yards.
32:52
So who the heck knows what's going to happen?
32:54
So I am leaning in for a little fun.
32:56
I'm leaning in for some high scoring just for the heck of it.
32:59
So I'm sticking with my over bet 56 and a half 1,000,000.
33:05
Darren. Yeah.
33:07
I mean, once both quarterbacks left, I had 0 Anderson there.
33:11
I actually had written down a lean towards South Florida
33:15
before the Byron Brown news came out today.
33:17
I, I just don't know, like for South Florida.
33:20
Like what does your coaching situation look like?
33:23
Apparently Byron Brown's gonna be on the sideline as a coach
33:25
'cause I guess they don't have anybody left.
33:27
All the offensive coaches are, are now at Auburn.
33:31
Curious to see if Byron Brown follows, but that's another
33:35
show. But yeah, I went with, with the
33:40
obviously not a lot of opt outs, but two pretty significant ones
33:43
here that coaching uncertainty with South Florida.
33:47
I, I would trust them, but I can't.
33:51
I think there's like nobody left for the coaching staff.
33:55
So I, I will, I don't even have a lean.
33:58
I, I I'm passing on this one altogether.
34:00
I have a guy that could probably bring in for the day to coach
34:02
the team because he's not doing anything else right now.
34:04
As soon as he bails out, he could probably coach the team
34:05
for the day. He probably could.
34:08
He's available. There's Hottie's down in
34:10
Orlando. You never.
34:11
Know exactly you could have a great time.
34:13
Love to go there. Yeah, well, I do have a bet on
34:16
this one. I put it in before the opt outs,
34:19
but then I saw that, you know, quarterback from both teams are
34:21
opting out, So what the hell, stick with it.
34:23
I was not offered to buy out anyway, so I have no choice but
34:26
to stick with it. But I'll still give it out.
34:28
I have South Florida given 6 1/2.
34:30
Again, I'm looking at the turnover.
34:33
Turnover margin here is big in favor of South Florida
34:36
penalties. Also, you know they're more
34:40
efficient on 3rd and 4th down. Now this is all with the regular
34:44
quarterback and with Byron Brown coaching.
34:47
Hopefully he's smart enough not to call any bubble screens or,
34:50
you know, line up in a shotgun on 3rd and one and do all the
34:53
things. Maybe he's angling for a
34:54
coaching job. So I still like South Florida
34:58
giving 6 1/2 in this one against Old Dominion.
35:02
Any final thoughts before you move on?
35:05
I hope you guys both win. That's perfect.
35:09
Thank you for that. You're welcome.
35:12
All right, we're moving right along to the Ventures, 68
35:16
Ventures Bowl, Mobile, AL. This is next Wednesday.
35:19
Opening line, Louisiana -3 with a over under a 58 1/2 first ever
35:25
appearance for the Delaware Blue Hens.
35:27
Isn't that where Joe Flacco went?
35:30
It is. It is.
35:32
Wow so. And now Louisiana's got an 8
35:35
year bowl streak. So far, so good.
35:37
As of Thursday afternoon, nobody's opting out.
35:39
So Darren, we'll start with you on this one.
35:41
Any thoughts? Yeah, this is my only bet for
35:45
the early slate of bowl games here, starting with with
35:48
Louisiana. I had high hopes for them coming
35:50
into this season. Apparently only raging thing
35:53
they did was play like ass because they did not have the
35:56
year I had hoped. I do love their quarterback who
35:59
came in lunch Winfield. I mean, dude's first name is a
36:02
meal. How do you not love that?
36:05
But apparently the last game they played against Louisiana
36:08
Monroe, not only was he incredibly ineffective, 10 of 21
36:12
for 82 yards, he also got hurt. So while he is not on an injury
36:17
report, I don't if he shows up on Tuesday as hey, I'm not
36:22
playing. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
36:25
So kind of fading Louisiana, but I watched a couple Delaware
36:29
games. We all did when Conference USA
36:32
ruled the midweek during October.
36:34
I like Nick Ninicucci as QB and again, this is a team that's
36:38
their first year in the FBS. They weren't supposed to be
36:40
playing in a bowl game because the NCAA we all know makes rules
36:44
that totally benefit their student athletes 100% of the
36:47
time. But thanks to like 10 schools
36:50
opting out of bowl games, they get to go to 1.
36:53
And motivation is always something you have to consider
36:57
in bowl season and I don't know if you're going to find a more
37:01
motivated team in this first week of games than Delaware.
37:04
They have to be excited to be here because it wasn't expected.
37:08
The only reason I didn't go money line here is because their
37:11
defense can also be asked at times.
37:13
But fortunately for them, so is Louisiana.
37:16
So I will take the three points and I am betting on the Blue
37:20
Hens. Yeah, if the over under was a
37:23
little bit lower, I was going to shoot for the younger just
37:25
because of both defenses, alright.
37:27
Well, there's a reason it's not that low.
37:30
I mean, 56, it was like 56, you know.
37:34
Yeah, I see you guys. Didn't catch this, but the total
37:37
is actually in the title of the bowl game.
37:38
There will. Be 68. 38 to 30, Delaware.
37:44
Here we go. I was watching the video of
37:46
Louisiana. I mean, statistically as far as
37:50
yards and everything, these teams are offensively are
37:52
identical, but the way they get the yards are opposite.
37:54
Like Louisiana's all run, Delaware's all pass.
37:58
And just for that, I would bet on Louisiana if I was going to
38:01
bet on this just because passing more things can go wrong where
38:05
if he can just run the ball, you know, like we always say, run
38:08
the damn ball. So they have that.
38:10
They're pretty even in everything else.
38:11
The turnover ratio favors Louisiana a little bit as well.
38:15
I think the total advantage is +5 for total advantage, but
38:19
they're given three. I would like Louisiana minus to
38:22
three. Those are my thoughts, Peter I.
38:25
Don't know. Sounds like they ate that
38:26
quarterback's lunch last week, though.
38:29
That'll be done. Yeah, I mean, that total.
38:32
And if it was a couple points lower, I would have gone over.
38:34
I really considered it anyway, 'cause this could get in the
38:37
60s. But I'm really rooting for
38:39
Delaware for everything Darren said.
38:41
I mean, it's kind of cool that they're there.
38:43
They should be motivated. They're going to be excited to
38:45
be there, so it'll be fun just to watch a play there.
38:48
I I expect you'll see a a bunch of players that are playing
38:50
their ass off. So that'll be fun to see.
38:52
So I'd expect them to score a bunch of points.
38:54
So I still think the over's in play here, especially if it
38:57
comes down a little bit. If it ticks down a little bit
39:00
before that game starts, I would definitely be considering
39:02
playing that game. So we'll see.
39:04
We'll see what happens there, but I did not make a play except
39:06
numbers right on the border of where I want to be.
39:09
Give me a 57 or something. I'm I'm in, I'm at over.
39:12
So we'll see what happens. I think Tim brought up a good
39:14
point looking at some stats for these teams.
39:16
I think when you're comparing the Sunbelt to Conference USA,
39:19
you can kind of compare that because you know the level of
39:22
competition is probably the same.
39:24
I wouldn't recommend doing that. You looking at Boise State like
39:26
playing Washington, you have a Mountain West team, Playing a
39:29
Big 10 team. I mean, that's just a completely
39:31
different animal. I mean, if you really break it
39:34
down, you say, oh, Boise State was really good against the pass
39:36
this year. Well, you know, they didn't have
39:37
to play San Jose State, who wings it all over the place.
39:40
They didn't have to play Pete's favorite mountain less team,
39:42
Hawaii, who flings it all over the place.
39:45
So yeah, of course your past defense numbers are going to
39:47
look better, but you're probably not going to be able to handle
39:49
them on Williams in that game. So definitely compare the stats.
39:53
But just remember where these teams are are are coming from.
39:55
But I think in this case, the you can certainly do that.
39:58
But. Oh, I think this is the last one
40:03
of the day. We got the Xbox Bowl next
40:06
Thursday, the 18th in Frisco, TX.
40:08
Arkansas State favored by 2 1/2 over Missouri State.
40:13
The over under is 56 and a half. First ever bowl game for
40:15
Missouri State. Arkansas started one and four
40:19
and they became eligible the last week of the season.
40:21
That's in a rally. And as always, as of now, no
40:25
players have opted out. Darren, let's start with you.
40:29
Yeah, much like Delaware and Missouri State, another team
40:31
that should not be bowled eligible but they are.
40:34
I expect them to win the motivation battle here.
40:37
The only reason I have not fired on this yet, Tim had mentioned
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the OP out. So both these quarterbacks right
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now are supposed to be in and if it is Jacob Clark from Missouri
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State and it is Jalen Rainer of Arkansas State, I will be
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throwing up a short on game day betting the over here.
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Because those two guys, dude, it's like arena ball, man.
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These guys will Chuck it for 60 minutes, defense be damned.
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So I'm just letting you right now.
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I don't have a play on this. But if it gets to game day and
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both these quarterbacks are in, expect to see this ugly mug with
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a YouTube short betting the over because because I think this
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total is is probably about four or 4 1/2 points too low.
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Yeah, they're they're Darren just took my script.
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I mean, that's exactly it. I mean, at the end of the day
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here, if both of those quarterbacks play, this is going
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to go back and forth. This is arena ball.
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There's going to be a lot of scoring.
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It's going to be fun to watch. If you like offense, it's going
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to be great. All right, so I'm going to wait,
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but I will very likely play the over as well.
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If both of these quarterbacks are going to play.
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Haven't done it yet because it's the opt out thing.
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I don't know what's going to happen here, but if they're
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playing, I'm betting, especially if the number is anywhere near
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this because this is going to be in the 60s.
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Well, Pete, get with me on Thursday morning.
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We'll do a short together if Clark and Rayner are both in.
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Yeah, on this one, I was actually leaning a little
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another money line sprinkle here on Missouri State.
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You look at the turnover ratio and -9 with Arkansas State, but
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then you look at the pass protection from Missouri, they
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give up a lot of sacks and they commit a lot of penalties.
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So it's going to spoil the drives again, bowl games.
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I can see it on a stack of scoop and score something like that
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happening to to totally change the game here I was laying money
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line sprinkle on Missouri State, but I decided to back off.
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But maybe I'll look at it some more and maybe I'll join you
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guys with a short Thursday morning or something.
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But heavy lean towards Missouri on the money line and other than
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that, that's all that's all I got for that one.
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I don't know if you guys want to wrap it up, no.
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Here we go, Pete. What you got for this week?
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Let's recap it. Yeah, Army, Army, Navy, the
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usual battle here under 38 1/2. I'm not expecting a whole lot of
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scoring and a whole lot of physical play.
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And then we have old men in South Florida, even with the opt
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outs we're we're hanging in here and expecting some fun, I hope
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over 55 1/2. All right, And I've got Boise
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State, Washington going over 51 1/2 on Saturday, and on
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Wednesday I got South Florida -6 1/2 over Old Dominion.
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Darren. Yeah, I, I, I I'm a little more
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hesitant, especially the beginning of bowl season here.
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So I only have one bet. I took three points with
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Delaware over Louisiana. All right, that's gonna wrap up
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