Latest / The Kenny Report / The Kenny Report | 16 July

Transcript

The Kenny Report | 16 July · The Kenny Report

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
• 0:03
  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me again tonight.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's triumphant return to the campaign trail as he
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: announces a unique vice presidential running mate, But days after
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: the assassination attempt President Joe Biden, the Democrats and the
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: broader left continue their fake news demonization of Donald Trump.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: At home, the Albaneze labor government soft on the union
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: bobber boys that helped fund the ALP. I'll also catch
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: up with Senator James Patterson, Christen Tate, and Tim Blair,
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: and with Susio O'Brien and Steven Senatiempo. We'll look at plenty,
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: including shocking gang violence directed against food delivery staff.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: The greatest show on earth, and probably the most consequential,
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: was in Milwaukee today. It was the Republican National Convention,
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: of course. And before we get into the pols, let
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: me show you something from the opening prayers.
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: Oh Lord, our God, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem,
• 1:09
  Speaker 3: your eternal city, and for all the children of Abraham.
• 1:14
  Speaker 3: We remember and pray for freedom for the hostages kidnapped
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: and held so cruelly against their will. Lord, please keep
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: them in your sight and hasten the day of their freedom.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the hostages, the Israeli hostages.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: I remember them here every night.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: They held by hamas forgotten even abandoned by the political
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: left in the international community. So it was terrific to
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: see the Republicans putting these innocent victims front and center,
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: but onto the main event.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: And just two.
• 1:48
  Speaker 2: Days after a would be assassin's shot Donald Trump killing
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: a supporter and injuring others, the former president, with his
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: ear bandaged, returned to the public gaze. Trump didn't speak
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: at the convention. That'll come later, but it was a
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: triumphant return as you saw.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: What's clear is.
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: That Republicans are now completely united behind their candidate. The
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: Trump skeptics have either fallen away or been converted, and
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: one convert is JD. Vance, the inexperienced Ohio senator who
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: Trump has announced as his vice presidential running mate. Vance
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: quickly turned his strident criticism of Trump eight years ago
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: into a positive message.
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: I don't hate from that. I was certainly skeptical of
• 2:50
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, but President Trump was a
• 2:53
  Speaker 4: great president and he changed my mind. I think he
• 2:55
  Speaker 4: changed the minds of a lot of Americans because again,
• 2:58
  Speaker 4: he delivered that peace and prosperity. If you go back
• 3:01
  Speaker 4: to what I thought in twenty sixteen, another thing that
• 3:03
  Speaker 4: was going on Sean is I bought into the media's
• 3:05
  Speaker 4: lies and distortions. I bought into this idea that somehow
• 3:08
  Speaker 4: he was going to be so different, a terrible threat
• 3:11
  Speaker 4: to democracy.
• 3:12
  Speaker 5: It was a joke.
• 3:14
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden is the one who's trying to throw in
• 3:15
  Speaker 4: his political opposition in jail. Joe Biden is the one
• 3:18
  Speaker 4: who's trying to undermine American law and order. President Trump
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: did a really good job, and I actually think it's
• 3:24
  Speaker 4: a good thing. When you see somebody you were wrong
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: about him, You ought to admit the mistake and admit
• 3:29
  Speaker 4: that you were wrong.
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as I keep saying, the heightful retrick from the
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: left has to be called out that consistently demonized Trump.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: I told you last night about that bullseye comment from
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: Now he's tried to explain it.
• 3:45
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about the conversation this has started, and it's
• 3:48
  Speaker 6: really about language, what we say out loud, and the
• 3:51
  Speaker 6: consequences of those You called your opponent an existential threat
• 3:55
  Speaker 6: on a call a week ago, you said it's time
• 3:57
  Speaker 6: to put Trump in the bullseye. Some dispute about the context,
• 4:02
  Speaker 6: but I think you appreciate I.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: Did say cross hairs.
• 4:04
  Speaker 7: I was telling them focus on it. Look, the truth
• 4:07
  Speaker 7: of the matter was, I guess I was talking about
• 4:09
  Speaker 7: it as the time was there's very little focus on
• 4:12
  Speaker 7: Trump's Yeah, the term is bullse with a mistake to you,
• 4:18
  Speaker 7: I didn't. I didn't say cross hairs bulls. I focus
• 4:21
  Speaker 7: on him, focus on what he's doing.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: What on earth is Biden trying to say that bullseye
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: is bad, but cross hairs would have been worse. Some
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: lame excuse about wanting to put the focus on Trump.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: Well, there's an.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: Easy way to say that. You just say, put the
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: focus on Trump. You don't need to call for a bullseye.
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: Now, I've never.
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: Been all in on Trump, as you know, but I
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: was very supportive of the strength and the success of
• 4:49
  Speaker 2: his foreign policy as president. He made the world a
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: safer place and we are less safe now. And I've
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: always called out the unhinged attacks on Trump from leftist
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: politicians and most of the media. They've been hysterical, and
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: they've been deceitful, and it's never too late to fight back,
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: as Donald Trump Junior did today.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: What is that change going to look like?
• 5:12
  Speaker 8: Don what practically your father as president? I think you
• 5:15
  Speaker 8: would even say it was a divisive figure. What's it
• 5:17
  Speaker 8: going to look like in a second term. I don't
• 5:18
  Speaker 8: think he was a divisive figure at all. I think
• 5:20
  Speaker 8: the media created divisiveness around him. They lied about Russia,
• 5:23
  Speaker 8: Russia collusion, They said he was a trader. They went
• 5:25
  Speaker 8: after him in every which way is possible if the
• 5:28
  Speaker 8: media actually starts being an honest broker talking about the
• 5:31
  Speaker 8: things that he did, the prosperity he brought, the peace
• 5:33
  Speaker 8: deals that he signed around the world, rather than the
• 5:36
  Speaker 8: disaster that we're living right now, I think you do
• 5:37
  Speaker 8: everyone in the country a big favor.
• 5:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: The whole tiresome narrative from the media for more than
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: eight years now has been that Trump is evil, and
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: they choice anything and everything to try to prove that point.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: President Biden even reminded us of one recent example.
• 5:54
  Speaker 7: How do you talk about the threat to democracy, which
• 5:57
  Speaker 7: is real when the president's says things like he says,
• 6:01
  Speaker 7: do you just not say anhim? He's a man, say somebody, Look,
• 6:06
  Speaker 7: I have not engaged in that rhetoric. Now my opponent's
• 6:12
  Speaker 7: engaged in that rhetoric. He talks about to be a
• 6:14
  Speaker 7: bloodbath if he loses.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: He's still going on with this hysterical threat to democracy line.
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: But what about this talk of a blood bath if
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: Trump loses. That's deliberately misleading and recklessly inflammatory. I dealt
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: with this back in March. Remember here's what the US
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: media told people then.
• 6:37
  Speaker 9: Former President Trump's campaign now on the defensive after his
• 6:40
  Speaker 9: fiery rhetoric at a rally in Dayton, Ohio on Saturday night,
• 6:44
  Speaker 9: Trump warning while discussing the economy, that there would be
• 6:47
  Speaker 9: a quote bloodbath if he is not re elected in November.
• 6:50
  Speaker 9: This after the former president kicked off the event by paying.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: Tribute to those who attacked.
• 6:55
  Speaker 9: The US Capitol on January sixth. President Biden's campaign swiftly
• 7:00
  Speaker 9: bouncing those comments as threats of political violence.
• 7:03
  Speaker 6: What I heard with a continuation of the same rhetoric,
• 7:06
  Speaker 6: the same endorsement of political violence that we've seen from Donald.
• 7:09
  Speaker 10: Trump for years.
• 7:10
  Speaker 11: As you pointed out, it goes even farther.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Back, right.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Really, they're talking about threats of physical violence, political violence.
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: Listen to them, and then listen to what Trump actually
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: said he was talking about an economic blood bath.
• 7:25
  Speaker 5: We're going to put a one hundred percent power for
• 7:27
  Speaker 5: every single car that comes across the line, and you're
• 7:31
  Speaker 5: not going to be able to sell those cars if
• 7:33
  Speaker 5: I get elected. Now, if I don't get elected, it's
• 7:36
  Speaker 5: going to be a blood bath for the whole that's
• 7:39
  Speaker 5: going to be the least of it. It's going to
• 7:40
  Speaker 5: be a blood bath for the country. That'll be the
• 7:42
  Speaker 5: least of it. But they're not going to sell those cars.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: They twisted that comment about the automotive industry to threats
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: of political violence.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: That's sick.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: And if you think there's something ugly about just using
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: the word blood bath, well there's no shortage of the
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: examples of this same media, of course, using that same
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: term in their own political commentary.
• 8:05
  Speaker 12: But as politico dot com reports tonight on the quote
• 8:08
  Speaker 12: bloodbath at the RNC.
• 8:10
  Speaker 6: Headline's calling it a quote bloodbath.
• 8:13
  Speaker 13: A blood bath, not only is it going to be
• 8:15
  Speaker 13: a blood.
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: Bath, but after they leave in New Hampshire, it's a
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: bloodbath on her home turf.
• 8:19
  Speaker 13: That's really tough.
• 8:20
  Speaker 8: Has left a lot of corpses in his week. I mean,
• 8:22
  Speaker 8: we haven't count in the bodies as part of the
• 8:24
  Speaker 8: quote MAGA drive to take over Maricopa County and the
• 8:27
  Speaker 8: headline refers to it as an impending blood bath.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: So there you have it as a classic case of
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: the fake news, the fake hysteria, and the demonization of
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: Trump by the left, and Joe Biden is still doing it,
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: still using this discredited example. The hatred, of course, only
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: begets more hatred. You just have to listen to these
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: American comedians, including Jack Black on stage in Sydney on
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: Sunday night. Yeah, barracking for a political assassination as a joke.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: It's abhorrent. Their concert tonight in Newcastle has just been canceled.
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe people are waking up to this stuff. It's been
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: going on for nearly a decade.
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: In last night's interview here with former Foreign Mister Bob Carr,
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: try as I might, repeatedly, I could not get him
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: to concede that the Democrats, that the left have gone
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: too far for too long with the vitriol they throw
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: at Donald Trump. You're saying the excuse for this polarization
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: and violent retoric from Democrats and their supporters is Trump,
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: because he's a rogue.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: They're going to escalate absolutely.
• 9:59
  Speaker 7: I think if you look at the record, Chris, you've
• 10:01
  Speaker 7: got to say Trump has degraded the public debate.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Remember when the Democrats said, when they go low, we'll
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: go hi.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: Sure, it was a waste of time talking to Bob Carr.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Whatever happened to respectful disagreement in politics. Carr had nothing
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: to say except to slam Trump. He wouldn't criticize the
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: Democrats for their own demonization of Trump, their own contribution
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: to the problem. See, this is the trouble for the
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Democrats and their supporters around the world. They've got nothing
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: to say except to demonize Trump instead of trying.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: To beat him in a normal political debate.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: They've lied about Russian collusion, they've lied about his own words.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: They've tried to bankrupt him, they've tried to have him
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: struck off the ballot, and they've pursued him through the
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: courts to try and imprison him.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: They've deliberately and deceptively.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Helped to make politics as polarized and toxics as possible.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: And then they've tried to blame all of that on
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: him as well. And now they might be starting to
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: realize that their abuse might be the wind beneath his wings.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Look when it comes to respectful disagreement and being able
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: to have a proper contest of ideas, robust public debates.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: Well, that was a.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: Key theme that came through in our documentary last night
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: about the sixty years of the Australian newspaper. For instance,
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: Senator just sent to Nampijimpa Price and I revisited our
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: debates in the newspaper pages over the Indigenous Voice.
• 11:33
  Speaker 14: We had some moments there and I will admit to
• 11:36
  Speaker 14: the public that, yeah, I decided not to speak to
• 11:39
  Speaker 14: you for some time, even though you know, I think
• 11:42
  Speaker 14: we can absolutely say that we're both passionate about those.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: Issues, and they're still being published in our own words, yes,
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: without any interference in the same.
• 11:51
  Speaker 14: Newspaper, exactly exactly, And that is what real journalism looks like.
• 11:58
  Speaker 14: It provides, you know, those opinions, something for Australians to
• 12:03
  Speaker 14: really consider right across the board, you know, which I'm
• 12:07
  Speaker 14: very grateful for and of course I forgive you.
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, winners, grinners.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: Hey, but I wanted to mention the doco for two
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: reasons tonight. One to thank you for your feedback. It
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: really was a team effort I was pleased to play
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: my role. But the interview with Rupert Murdoch by Sky
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: New CEO Paul Whittaker was fascinating, of course and pivotal,
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: and our head of Programs Mark Carvert was a pivotal
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: player as well. Also Richard Andrews, the producer, but he
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: did most of that detailed work with all that wonderful
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: archival footage and the fascinating insights from our terrific guests.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: So thanks so much to you and to them for
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: helping us put the doco together, but to you.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: For watching it.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: And also the good news is you can rewatch it
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: or catch up if you missed it. You just use
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: this QR code on the screen. That's the latest Sky
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: News documentary, The Australian.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Sixty Years of News.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: You can stream it now on demand at skynews dot
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: com dot Au or the Sky News Australia app and
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: simply scan that QR code that you're seeing on the screen. Now, now,
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: let's get back to US politics for a moment and
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: heads straight to Milwaukee, where our Washington correspondent Anne Lise
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Nilsen has been in the thick of the convention action.
• 13:24
  Speaker 15: Chris, we've just wrapped up the first day of the
• 13:26
  Speaker 15: Republican National Convention, and this was one for the books.
• 13:30
  Speaker 15: There was the rumor that Donald Trump would appear, but
• 13:33
  Speaker 15: it wasn't certain, especially as he just survived an assassination
• 13:37
  Speaker 15: attempt days ago. But we did know he'd come to Milwaukee.
• 13:42
  Speaker 15: He wanted to keep his schedule exactly as planned because
• 13:46
  Speaker 15: he said he didn't want to change anything just because
• 13:49
  Speaker 15: of the shooter.
• 13:50
  Speaker 8: The moment he walked into.
• 13:51
  Speaker 15: This stadium, the crowd erupted. You could feel the reaction
• 13:56
  Speaker 15: before you saw him hit the screen, that people were
• 13:59
  Speaker 15: so emotional. As he sat in the sands to watch
• 14:02
  Speaker 15: the speeches happen this evening, he sat alongside his vice
• 14:06
  Speaker 15: presidential pick JD. Vans, had been recently rumored as being
• 14:10
  Speaker 15: the front runner for a few different reasons. He speaks
• 14:12
  Speaker 15: to voters in the Midwest of America, those key ones
• 14:15
  Speaker 15: they need to win over in Wisconsin where we are now,
• 14:19
  Speaker 15: in Minnesota, in Michigan, and he speaks to those blue
• 14:22
  Speaker 15: collar workers. The facts you have the head of the
• 14:24
  Speaker 15: Teamsters union saying positive things about the Republican vice presidential
• 14:29
  Speaker 15: candidate shows that portion of the population. Donald Trump wants
• 14:33
  Speaker 15: to capture again that he captured in twenty sixteen. Those
• 14:36
  Speaker 15: blue collar workers that feel like they've been abandoned by
• 14:39
  Speaker 15: the elites. They want to see manufacturing brought back to America.
• 14:42
  Speaker 15: They're concerned about globalization on that front. They want to
• 14:46
  Speaker 15: see reduction in illegal immigration, especially on the southern border.
• 14:50
  Speaker 15: They feel like that helps undercut the labor market which
• 14:53
  Speaker 15: they're participating in. And they frequently tell me that they
• 14:56
  Speaker 15: feel like the economy was better in the Trump years
• 14:59
  Speaker 15: and they want to go back to that kind of economy.
• 15:02
  Speaker 15: Inflation still hasn't come under what they want to see
• 15:06
  Speaker 15: and that what they want to have exists so they
• 15:08
  Speaker 15: can feel like they're growing. So this is where JD
• 15:11
  Speaker 15: Events is going to speak to all of those voters.
• 15:15
  Speaker 15: So this is a huge day in this campaign. It's
• 15:18
  Speaker 15: set the tone for Republicans and the months ahead, and
• 15:21
  Speaker 15: it's show Donald Trump is defiant in the face of
• 15:24
  Speaker 15: an assassination attempt. It's helped rally support us here and
• 15:28
  Speaker 15: he's hoping across the country. And Alise Nielsen for Sky
• 15:31
  Speaker 15: News in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: And Aalise Nielsen, they're all over it that I'll be
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: hitting the hay in the us in the next hours.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: But there'll be plenty moreening from Milwaukee tomorrow morning our
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: time and at Lease and the team will be all
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: over it.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Let's get it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: One of Australia's leading US analysts now, Tom Switzer from
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the Center for Independent Studies. Thanks for joining us, sir Tom.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: The first point I want to put to you.
• 16:00
  Speaker 16: Is we've seen a lot of analysts telling us lately
• 16:04
  Speaker 16: that it's all locked and loaded now that the assassination attempt,
• 16:07
  Speaker 16: that failed assassination attempt has brought this sort of meant
• 16:11
  Speaker 16: that Trump's going to cruise to a win, that Joe
• 16:14
  Speaker 16: Biden is locked in, and.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: That everything is predictable from here. I find this hard
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: to believe.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Surely, with such volatility in the American political situation at
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: the moment, there's a whole range of permutations that could unfold.
• 16:28
  Speaker 17: I think you're quite right, Chris, and I mean it
• 16:31
  Speaker 17: is true that this assassination attempt has strengthened and emboldened Trump.
• 16:36
  Speaker 17: And you also have to bear in mind the recent
• 16:38
  Speaker 17: Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity that helps Trump and
• 16:42
  Speaker 17: it hurts the Democrats lawfare campaign, as does the news
• 16:46
  Speaker 17: overnight when a federal judge dismissed the classified documents persecution
• 16:51
  Speaker 17: prosecution against Trump, a persecution as well. Instrump it's had
• 16:56
  Speaker 17: some legal victories as well, Chris. And you add to
• 16:59
  Speaker 17: that the fact that you have this huge influx of
• 17:01
  Speaker 17: multimillion dollar donations from the likes of Elon Musk. I
• 17:05
  Speaker 17: think he's pledged something like forty five million US dollars
• 17:09
  Speaker 17: a month between now and election day. And at the
• 17:12
  Speaker 17: same time, the Democrats are deeply divided about whether Joe
• 17:15
  Speaker 17: Biden should even be their candidates in November. But as
• 17:19
  Speaker 17: you say, you know, for a week is a long
• 17:21
  Speaker 17: time in politics. Sixteen weeks is an eternity. A lot
• 17:24
  Speaker 17: can happen, and there's enough time for the Democrats to
• 17:27
  Speaker 17: reorganize and reposition themselves.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, their convention is a month away.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: It's quite a late convention, certainly compared to the Republicans.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: What do you think of my little theory that ideally
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that love to get Biden reendorsed by that convention and
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: then talk him into resigning or not contesting, then talk
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: him into pulling out of the race, because then doesn't
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: the Democratic National Committee get to effectively pick a new
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: ticket without bothering with a convention.
• 17:58
  Speaker 17: We're in uncharted to rain hasn't happened before, and it's
• 18:01
  Speaker 17: not clear if anyone really knows what's conceivable and what's not.
• 18:06
  Speaker 17: I think their best bet, frankly, is to keep putting
• 18:08
  Speaker 17: pressure on Biden to make the decision to withdrawal from
• 18:12
  Speaker 17: the race and then have an open convention in Chicago
• 18:16
  Speaker 17: in the third week of August. I think that's their
• 18:18
  Speaker 17: best bet. This would be advertising democracy to the world exactly.
• 18:23
  Speaker 17: The Democrats to showcase a lot of a younger, more articulate,
• 18:27
  Speaker 17: let's be frank saner political figures. You don't have to
• 18:30
  Speaker 17: agree with the likes of Gavin Newsom, the governor of California,
• 18:34
  Speaker 17: or Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan, to appreciate the
• 18:37
  Speaker 17: fact that they'd be seen as fresh Americans like newness.
• 18:40
  Speaker 17: And the wholehard reality is that neither Trump nor Biden
• 18:43
  Speaker 17: resonates with independence. An independence account for about thirty percent
• 18:47
  Speaker 17: of the American electorate, and although Trump is doing well now,
• 18:51
  Speaker 17: it's not clear that you can appeal to those suburban
• 18:54
  Speaker 17: women voters that are so crucial to winning those elections.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: That's the most open and democratic way to do it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So they got four weeks to lean on Biden and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: get him to pull out. I suppose talking about freshness,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: let's talk about Trump's vice presidential running make decision JD.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Vance. I know I caught him Vance before. That's the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: South Australian thing. You know it will. But to JD.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Van's a fascinating figure, really the embodiment of the American dream.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: He's young, he's articulate. They're our working class boy made good.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But what else does he bring to Donald Trump?
• 19:27
  Speaker 17: Well, he's a former marine, he went to Yale. He's
• 19:30
  Speaker 17: obviously a very good writer. He wrote a best selling
• 19:32
  Speaker 17: book in Hillbilly Effigies. The other point to bear in
• 19:36
  Speaker 17: mind is that he represents the core base of the
• 19:39
  Speaker 17: Republican constituency these days. So he will do a very
• 19:42
  Speaker 17: good job of backing Trump and trying to consolidate Republican
• 19:46
  Speaker 17: gains in those ross belt states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota,
• 19:53
  Speaker 17: not just Ohio but also Pennsylvania. They're the states that
• 19:55
  Speaker 17: Trump and the Republicans really need to win in order
• 19:58
  Speaker 17: to win the presidential election. Appeals to them. But he
• 20:01
  Speaker 17: does have limited experience in government, you know, he's only
• 20:04
  Speaker 17: been a senator for a year and a half. Mind you, Broock,
• 20:06
  Speaker 17: Obama had only been a senator for about three years
• 20:09
  Speaker 17: before he was picked as the Democrat candidate. And you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 17: Vance will be the youngest vice presidential candidate since I
• 20:17
  Speaker 17: think Richard Nixon in nineteen fifty two, when he was
• 20:20
  Speaker 17: also in his late thirties. So look, there are pros
• 20:22
  Speaker 17: and there are cons I think, all things considered, it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 17: a good pick because it'll single a message to the
• 20:31
  Speaker 17: establishment that the days of American empire are over, that
• 20:36
  Speaker 17: America should reorder its strategic priorities away from Europe in
• 20:39
  Speaker 17: the Middle East and focus more on Asia to deal
• 20:42
  Speaker 17: with a rise in China. That's Vance's Vance's position, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 17: I suspect that's the view of most Republicans these days.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And that's a foreign policy direction that's vitally important to Australia.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And we'll get you back on sometime soon time to
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: talk about that in more detail.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Great to be with you, Chris, Tom Switzer there from
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the Center for Independent Studies. Let's now go to the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson, who's only days ago
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: returned from the US. Thanks for joining us again. James, Ever,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about your take on American
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: politics while you were there. Obviously left before the assassination attempt,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: but did you see since that the polarization and the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: toxicity of the debate was the worst you've seen.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Up until this time?
• 21:28
  Speaker 18: Good evening, Chris. In fact, when I landed at Melbourne
• 21:30
  Speaker 18: Airport on Sunday morning and I opened up the phone,
• 21:33
  Speaker 18: the first news I saw was what had happened at
• 21:35
  Speaker 18: that rally in Pennsylvania. Yes, America is divided, there's no
• 21:39
  Speaker 18: question about that, and the tone of the public debate
• 21:43
  Speaker 18: is more fraught than it has ever been, and it
• 21:45
  Speaker 18: is in some ways unsurprising, although obviously deeply concerning, to
• 21:49
  Speaker 18: see someone has been taken that to the ultimate and
• 21:53
  Speaker 18: most extreme end of attempting to assassinate a presidential candidate.
• 21:56
  Speaker 18: It's actually not something we've seen for forty years. The
• 21:59
  Speaker 18: last time of pre or presidential candidate was shot as
• 22:01
  Speaker 18: Roller Reagan in nineteen eighty one, and you have to
• 22:03
  Speaker 18: go back to nineteen sixty eight with Bobby Kennedy for
• 22:05
  Speaker 18: the last time an assassination of a presidential candidate was successful.
• 22:08
  Speaker 18: So it's a deeply worrying moment. It is an absolute
• 22:12
  Speaker 18: blessing that those bullets miss and we're not dealing with
• 22:15
  Speaker 18: a far more serious aftermath than we otherwise would be.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, as I keep saying, of course, the ultimate
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: responsibility and blame for this lies with the shooter, but
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: all political players and the media have to be mindful
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of this environment of hatred and polarization that's around.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It staggered me. Now, I'm no apologist for the Trump camp.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: We know that both Donald Trump and his supporters at
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: some tire stages have done the wrong thing and used
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: inflammatory language. But we seem to have enormous difficulty in
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: getting any from anyone from the left media or the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: democratic side to admit that they've been part of this process,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: that their constant demonization of Trump, portraying him as hitler
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and an outright threat to democracy, only inflames the situation
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: rather than off there's any sort of broad contest of
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: political ideas.
• 23:06
  Speaker 18: Chris, I guess I most qualified to comment is on
• 23:08
  Speaker 18: the Australian context and the similar rhetoric that we have
• 23:11
  Speaker 18: seen here, I think, particularly since the seventh of October
• 23:13
  Speaker 18: in the last nine months of humanizing Israel, but not
• 23:17
  Speaker 18: just Israel, the Jewish community and supporters of Israel as well,
• 23:20
  Speaker 18: and that has led to very distressing harassment of members
• 23:23
  Speaker 18: of Parliament and their staff and their offices. I mean
• 23:25
  Speaker 18: we have had a Federal Member of Parliament's office firebomb
• 23:28
  Speaker 18: in this country, a Jewish MP, supposedly because of his
• 23:32
  Speaker 18: position on the Middle East, in Josh Burns. That is
• 23:34
  Speaker 18: an outrage, just as is the picketing and harassment of
• 23:37
  Speaker 18: Peter Klill's office in Melbourne and the harassment of his
• 23:39
  Speaker 18: staff and the protest we saw outside of Labor Partty
• 23:42
  Speaker 18: fundraiser in Brisbane on the weekend or indeed their state
• 23:45
  Speaker 18: conference a few months ago. There is an extremism in
• 23:48
  Speaker 18: the left in this country which is emerging. It is
• 23:51
  Speaker 18: very worrying. It is intimidating people who are participating in
• 23:54
  Speaker 18: the democratic process and in a free and liberal democracy
• 23:57
  Speaker 18: like Australia, all of us should say that completely unacceptable.
• 24:01
  Speaker 18: In the party that has a particular responsibility to do
• 24:03
  Speaker 18: so is the Greens, and it's led to Adam Band
• 24:05
  Speaker 18: because they have fanned these flames, stoked these flames and
• 24:08
  Speaker 18: they are contributing to this tension.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Well, yes, so I drew this connection last night. Because
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: this is where we see hate speech in this country.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: We need to stamp it out. Surely the governing parties,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: especially in the states of New South Wales and Victoria
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and federally need to accept more responsibility. We've had people
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: charging death to Jews or where's the Jews, celebrating the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: death of innocent people on October the seventh and the like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and preaching hatred, yet there's been no action, no prosecutions.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Surely we've got to take a stand against this stuff.
• 24:41
  Speaker 18: That's absolutely right, Chris. It is astonishing to me that
• 24:44
  Speaker 18: nine months on, despite all that we have seen and
• 24:47
  Speaker 18: heard on our streets in our communities, that not one
• 24:50
  Speaker 18: person has been charged at the federal level under the
• 24:53
  Speaker 18: very significant anti incitement legislation that we have, or the
• 24:56
  Speaker 18: harassment legislation that we have that allows you to charge
• 24:59
  Speaker 18: someone using a carriage service like the Internet to engage
• 25:02
  Speaker 18: in this kind of hate speech. There's been no action
• 25:04
  Speaker 18: on that and it's deeply concerning. And on the political level,
• 25:07
  Speaker 18: the Prime Minister used question time a few weeks ago
• 25:09
  Speaker 18: to attack the Greens for fanning the flames of this
• 25:11
  Speaker 18: but what's he actually doing about it? What is he
• 25:13
  Speaker 18: going to give the Greens his preferences as he has
• 25:15
  Speaker 18: done at every other election, including in a seat like McNamara,
• 25:19
  Speaker 18: the heart of Melbourne's Jewish community, is going to preference
• 25:21
  Speaker 18: the Greens here as he did last time. Well, I sadly,
• 25:23
  Speaker 18: I suspect you will.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, actions speak louder than words, that's for sure.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, James, I appreciate it,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson. There the Shadow Home Affairs Minister. We've
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: got to get to a break. On the other side,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: we're going to catch up with Susio Brian and Stephen
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Senda Tempo talk about the cost of living pressures causing
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: households to cap back, and also the Queensland MP who's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: tracking down his social media critics. Let's catch up with
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: our regular Tuesday panel from The Herald Son Cuzo O'Brien
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne and Radio two Double Cee breakfast radio host
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: in Canberra, Steven Senat Tempi. Good to talk to you
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: both again. I got to get you first up on
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: this story. That's the nine Radio you're with the nine
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Radio organization, nine newspapers and nine radio have broken over
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the last few days. It's one of those stories about well, yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: we kind of all knew it anyway, and that is
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: just how corrupt the cfme EU is, the Building Union,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and how they are bother boys tactics and alleged criminal activity.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: John Seka, the Victorian chief who only weeks ago was
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: trying to get rid of the umpiring boss at the AFL,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: well he's had to quit and there's going to be
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: all sorts of ramifications. But what astounds me is just
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: how pathetic the federal labor government are on this. I mean,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: they take millions of dollars from the CFMEU, the key
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: backer of the left wing faction that the Anthony Albereesi
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: and Penny Wong and a whole bunch of leading labor
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: people belong to Listen to the Treasurer Jim Chalmers when
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: he's fronted up about some ramifications on Channel nine this.
• 26:55
  Speaker 19: Morning, I think we've seen some absolutely horrific behavior and
• 27:02
  Speaker 19: we will do what whatever is necessary to clean it up.
• 27:05
  Speaker 12: Okay, so you stopped taking donations from them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 19: I think, as Tony made clear yesterday and as I
• 27:11
  Speaker 19: make clear again today, there are good reasons why ministers
• 27:14
  Speaker 19: don't get involved in those sorts of decisions which are
• 27:16
  Speaker 19: taken by party organizations.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Stephen, how pathetic, how pathetic the treasure of the country
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: can't take a strong stand against this rampant, militant union
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: where the Alps happy to suck the money from them
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: forever in a day.
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: And I think that's the point.
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: It was over six million dollars in the last few years,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: four point two million dollars in the lead up to
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: the last election. I mean, all you've got to do
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: is follow the money. But the most extraordinary thing about
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: this is the attitude that we didn't know this was
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: going on, despite the fact that the mining branch of
• 27:53
  Speaker 11: the CFMU years ago said, look, we've had enough of this,
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: we want out. They've broken away to form their own
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: union because we just can't be in bed with these people.
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: The BLF, the precursor of this union, was deregistered by
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: Bob Hawk in nineteen eighty five. Anthony Albertezi himself has
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: distanced himself. We'll try to distance himself from John Setka.
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: All of a sudden, this is a revelation to everybody.
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: But the response from the National Secretary of the of
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: the CFMAU based here in Canberra has been equally merely
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: basically saying well, we'll do whatever.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: We need to clean it up. Well, why haven't you already?
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: And secondly he went on to then try and blame
• 28:30
  Speaker 11: right wing politicians for attempting to smear good hard working
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: unions because it's the right that hates workers having a fair,
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: fair day's pay. And I thought fared Ininkham, I mean
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: and Dan, everybody knew this was going on.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Well, and the ALP got rid of the building a
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: construction commission. The're supposed to step out of this sort
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of stuff. So there's a lot more to hear on
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: this story. There's no doubt about it. Really bad for
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the government. I reckon Susie and sticking with your competitors,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: our competitors and the nine media newspapers all out today.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's got the polls now two party preferred fifty to fifty,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton making stride strong gains here. So with this
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: sort of ugly stuff that labor's not stamping out, plus
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: especially the cost of living issues, that's probably not surprising.
• 29:16
  Speaker 13: This is a really interesting poll.
• 29:18
  Speaker 20: So it shows that the primary vote for the two
• 29:22
  Speaker 20: parties for the Coalition from sixty thirty six to thirty
• 29:27
  Speaker 20: eight percent, so that's a jump of two points. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 20: that's really good for them. And in terms of Dunton,
• 29:33
  Speaker 20: here is now a head on preferred Prime Minister by
• 29:37
  Speaker 20: one point thirty four to thirty five. And I think
• 29:40
  Speaker 20: Alban easy. It hasn't been a good week for him.
• 29:42
  Speaker 20: They have looked really weak in response to their CFMEU stuff.
• 29:46
  Speaker 20: But also the big thing for voters is cost of living.
• 29:51
  Speaker 20: Fifty three percent of voters are saying in this particular
• 29:53
  Speaker 20: poll in the age that the number one thing that
• 29:56
  Speaker 20: is going to decide their vote is cost of living.
• 29:59
  Speaker 20: That's fifty three percent, and that comes at a time
• 30:02
  Speaker 20: when thirty percent of people are saying.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: They're spending more than their earning.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Well exactly, just have a look at some of these
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: numbers where we've looked at the price rises in the
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: staple goods that we all need to get from the supermarket.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: They're going up exponentially. He's been like a fourteen percent
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: increase over the year. But you know flour and sugar
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: that everybody buys every week eighteen percent, eggs up eight percent,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: crackers fifty percent, some of these other things as seasonal,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but there's lots of stuff adding pressure to people's family budget. SUSI,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: this has to be the number one political issue in
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 30:35
  Speaker 20: Oh absolutely, And you know, and things like olive oil
• 30:39
  Speaker 20: virgin on the ridiculous seventy seven percent up and so
• 30:45
  Speaker 20: you know, we're going to see a lot more strategies
• 30:48
  Speaker 20: to try and reduce cost of living, you know, but
• 30:51
  Speaker 20: even the stuff with the trying to bring down prices
• 30:54
  Speaker 20: or parody at the supermarkets, they've all been weak on that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: Nothing really has changed everybody.
• 31:00
  Speaker 20: He's been talking about groce free prices and the duopoly
• 31:02
  Speaker 20: you worse than anywhere else in the.
• 31:05
  Speaker 13: Around the globe. What's actually been done about it?
• 31:08
  Speaker 20: The a trip will see saying oh, actually we can't
• 31:10
  Speaker 20: really do anything much at all. So there needs to
• 31:13
  Speaker 20: be much more action on those sorts of issues.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Stephen just quickly, does the cost of living biiton camera
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: or is camera insulated from that?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: No?
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: No, absolutely it does. I mean, obviously we've got the
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: top end public servants who don't care, but average putters
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: out there are hurting. But it's really starting to hit
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: small businesses as well. I was talking to a cafe
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: owner this morning who was talking about the cost of
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: doing business that's gone up and the things that people
• 31:36
  Speaker 11: are cutting back on. He said, people just don't come
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: in for breakfast anymore. He said, lunch trade is still okay,
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: dinner trade's not bad, but they've cut out coming in
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: for breakfast because they just can't afford to do it anymore.
• 31:45
  Speaker 11: He's had to put the cost of a cup of
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: coffee up by fifty cents and that's turning people off.
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: I mean, you know, and we're only talking about something
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: that's four dollars fifty five dollars there, and people just
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: can't afford to spend on those luxuries anymore. And I
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: think the thing that really points out in those figures
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: is a fourteen percent rise across the board. But when
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: you look at milk, bread and butter haven't risen at all,
• 32:04
  Speaker 11: that just goes to show you how much everything else
• 32:06
  Speaker 11: has gone up. It's absolutely extraordinary.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a worry, all right. I want to go
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to a couple of other issues, one each for you. Firstly,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Susie in your neck of.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: The woods, youth crime in Melbourne and this new phase,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: if you like, this new worry of youth gangs targeting
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: food delivery drivers. Got some shocking village video footage here.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: They've actually filmed their own attack. Yeah, Susie, that's right
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: in the middle of town, that's at South Bank. So
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: these people are out there trying to earn an honest
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: buck that can be mugged for money or for the food,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and sometimes the gangs are trying to take their cars.
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: Look, this is absolutely appalling.
• 33:03
  Speaker 20: I mean they're punching, they're kicking, they're stomping on this
• 33:06
  Speaker 20: poor guy's head. All he's trying to do is make
• 33:08
  Speaker 20: a living and you know what they're putting him through
• 33:11
  Speaker 20: that for a bunch of food, for fifty bucks worth
• 33:14
  Speaker 20: of burgers.
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: It's absolutely disgraceful.
• 33:16
  Speaker 20: And the fact that those sorts of clips are remaining
• 33:19
  Speaker 20: on social media. Where is the responsibility of the social
• 33:22
  Speaker 20: media companies? But you know what, these uber drivers, they're very,
• 33:28
  Speaker 20: very vulnerable.
• 33:29
  Speaker 13: They're working at night, off and by themselves.
• 33:31
  Speaker 20: They're getting out of cars, they're going up to households.
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: People are watching them.
• 33:35
  Speaker 20: They're deliberately ordering food, stealing their cars.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: It's just appalling, shocking. Got to get on top of that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It's a real worry now an issue I wanted.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: To get your thoughts on Steve, and this is from Queensland.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I love this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: A lot of people are trying to demonize this labor
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: MP by the.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Name of a Barry O'Rourke, and.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: He's looking at people who abuse him on social media
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and the like, and e gooes and knocks on their door.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Haven't listen. He'll explain how he does it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: Quite people really negative at your comments there, so I
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: didn't go on to Facebook and I track they then
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: I see if they're on the electoral role. And if
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: they're on the electoral role, I love going.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Good on him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Steve A right now, just to make sure everyone understands
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the electoral roles of public document. Anyone can look at
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that so you can find out where someone lives, as
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: long as he's not threatening them. Steve and I reckon
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it's great to front up to people who think they're
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: giving anonymous abuse.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: Look, Chris, I'm going to disagree with you here. For
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: an MP to do this, I think it's it's you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: it's off the charts. I mean to go into the
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: electoral role. And he went on to say I can
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: get away with this because I'm a fairly big blow.
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: I mean, you know, he's admitted that he's going there
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: to intimidate these well.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Show these people.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I thought he was saying he was going there to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: talk to them and see what their issue was. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: he said they're a lot kinder when they see him
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: face face.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure they are.
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: But I wish he had to spend all that time
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: he spent tracking them down on the electoral role. Maybe
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: he could have used that serving his constituents rather than
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: knocking on doors to try and bgnote himself. I'm totally against.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: This, all right. I just reckon.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: You only say to someone what you've prepared to say
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to their face. Don't take the cheap the chief of
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: social media's got Yeah, fair enough, great to talk to
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: against Stephen and Susie appreciate it. We catch up with
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: you next week. I got to get to a break.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: On the other side, We're going to talk about JD.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Vance a point of that as Donald Trump's deep running mate.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Find out more about that from Kristen Tate next. As
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I mentioned at the top of the program, Donald Trump
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: has announced JD. Van says his running mate. Now, Vance
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: is a fascinating choice. He's a living embodiment of the
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: American dream. I read his memoir Hillbilly Elergy back in
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen because I heard it and provide an insight
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: into why working class democrats could be turning to Donald Trump.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It is a great really, It's the autobiographical story of
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Vance's working class, welfare dependent upbringing and how through a
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: bit of love and a bit of talent and a
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: bit of luck, he managed to make good. He served
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: as a marine, he went to university, all the rest
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of it. It even became a Hollywood movie.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I thought your MoMA was going to be all right,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: be happy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: I know I could have done there, but you got
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: to decide you wanted to be somebody.
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: Think us your excuse gd FA.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Is the only thing that means a god.
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Well he did all right, and now JD.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Vance's sequel could see him become vice president and who
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: knows where else From there, I caught up with Kristen
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Tate to get her thoughts on Trump's selection.
• 36:59
  Speaker 21: As a running look, you can learn everything you need
• 37:02
  Speaker 21: to know about JD. Vance by watching the left reaction
• 37:07
  Speaker 21: to his having been named as Trump's VP. There has
• 37:11
  Speaker 21: just been a complete meltdown over this announcement, Chris the
• 37:15
  Speaker 21: Bid and the Biden reelection effort put out an official
• 37:19
  Speaker 21: statement saying Vance will bend over backwards to enable Trump.
• 37:23
  Speaker 21: You're seeing the talking heads on cienn and lose their minds.
• 37:26
  Speaker 21: I saw Van Jones saying that actually JD. Vance is
• 37:31
  Speaker 21: much more dangerous than Donald Trump. So they're having a
• 37:34
  Speaker 21: complete meltdown, which tells you that Trump absolutely picked the
• 37:38
  Speaker 21: correct candidate.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: JD.
• 37:41
  Speaker 21: Vance has been a winner in the Senate. Yes, he's
• 37:43
  Speaker 21: very young. He'll be the first millennial actually to ever
• 37:46
  Speaker 21: be on a ticket like this, but he has shown
• 37:49
  Speaker 21: that he really understands America first, he understands the MAGA movement.
• 37:54
  Speaker 21: And like you, I've been following him for a while
• 37:56
  Speaker 21: and it's been interesting to watch him evolve. He was
• 37:59
  Speaker 21: actually pretty anti Trump back in twenty sixteen. He even
• 38:02
  Speaker 21: wrote a really kind of blistering piece in The Atlantic
• 38:07
  Speaker 21: at the time called the Opioid of the Masses, denouncing Trump.
• 38:10
  Speaker 21: And he's come a long way since then. He sure
• 38:13
  Speaker 21: has really got it and it is an incredible immigration.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here is this American success story.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: He grew up in a really working class environment and
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: a great disadvantage, but he made good. He joined the Marines,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: he went to university, he got involved in business. He
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: wrote this fantastic memoir, of course, in Hillbilly Elegy.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And the point is.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He's not much younger than that Barack Obama was when
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: he became president, and certainly has as much experience, probably
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: more experience, certainly in business than Barack Obama had. Barack
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Obama never ran a government before becoming president. And on
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: that point, you mentioned that he was very critical of.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Trump, Mark one if you like.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Jd Vance was asked about that today and I thought
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: his response was very good.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I don't hide from that. I was certainly skeptical of
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. But President Trump was a
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: great president, and he changed my mind. I think he
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: changed the minds of a lot of Americans because again
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: he delivered that peace and prosperity.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: If you go back to what I thought.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, another thing that was going on, Sean
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: is I bought into the media's lies and distortions. I
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: bought into this idea that somehow he was going to
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: be so different, a terrible threat to democracy.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: It was a joke.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a Giglary, guys he takes about state
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: is a negative and lucky a good politician gets onto
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the front foot and Mike's a good point on behalf
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump.
• 39:37
  Speaker 21: It's actually really refreshing as well to hear someone in
• 39:40
  Speaker 21: public office admit that they changed their minds on something
• 39:44
  Speaker 21: and that's okay. I mean everybody changed their minds on
• 39:46
  Speaker 21: all kinds of things. And he explains his reasons for
• 39:49
  Speaker 21: changing his mind Trump was in office and showed through
• 39:53
  Speaker 21: his actions that he was a very successful president who
• 39:57
  Speaker 21: had a good grasp on policies that lift them in
• 40:00
  Speaker 21: America up so jd Vance, like the rest of us,
• 40:02
  Speaker 21: were able to see the impacts of those policies. And
• 40:05
  Speaker 21: now he's fully on board, especially with immigration, Chris, which
• 40:08
  Speaker 21: is so key. By choosing jd Vance, Trump is sending
• 40:11
  Speaker 21: a message to the voters that immigration is going to
• 40:14
  Speaker 21: be key. He says he wants to enact the largest
• 40:17
  Speaker 21: deportation in American history with the illegal immigrants that have
• 40:20
  Speaker 21: come in under Biden. And this is another way that
• 40:23
  Speaker 21: he has signaled that to us that he means business.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at Joe Biden. He's given
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a television interview. He's always fraught experiences for him. I
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: mentioned on the show last night his bullseye comments.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: He was asked about that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at how the president actually deals
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: with that bullseye comment that was made last week to donors.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't say crosshairs. I was talking to focus on Look.
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: The truth of the matter was, I guess I was
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: talking about it at the time, was there's very little
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: focus on Trump.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the term bullseye was.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: A mistake to you, I did. I didn't say crosshairs, bulls.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: I'm focus on him, focus on what he's doing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kristin.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: The point here is that Joe Biden still wanted apologize
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: or step down from the inflammatory language he's been using.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, he says he's a mistake.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: It would have been worse to say cross his but
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: bullseye it was all right. He's still saying that Donald
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Trump is a threat to democracy, which is a pretty
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: weird way.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: To look at an election.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: He doesn't get to be president without winning in a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: democratic contest.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: What's he going to do from here? Joe Biden to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: pull back from some of these retorics.
• 41:36
  Speaker 21: Well, he is in a pretty bad situation right now, Chris,
• 41:40
  Speaker 21: and I don't know what he's going to do, because
• 41:42
  Speaker 21: there's nothing he can do that will make any sense.
• 41:46
  Speaker 21: He's been telling his supporters for years now that Trump
• 41:49
  Speaker 21: is this big threat to democracy and essentially Hitler, and
• 41:52
  Speaker 21: all of a sudden now he's saying, Oh, political violence
• 41:54
  Speaker 21: is never okay. I watch him a speedy recovery. But
• 41:58
  Speaker 21: you know this answer he gave, like so many others,
• 42:01
  Speaker 21: they're just a mess of bumbling. And the selection by
• 42:06
  Speaker 21: Donald Trump of jd Vance, who's young, as you mentioned,
• 42:10
  Speaker 21: just makes Joe Biden look even more like a feeble, bumbling,
• 42:14
  Speaker 21: elderly oath.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: It makes it even.
• 42:16
  Speaker 21: Worse for Biden's ticket. That is why I keep coming
• 42:20
  Speaker 21: back to this idea of replacing Joe Biden, which I
• 42:22
  Speaker 21: think will be intensified.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 42:25
  Speaker 21: Some people are saying, Oh, they're going to do away
• 42:27
  Speaker 21: with that effort. I don't think so. The effort might
• 42:29
  Speaker 21: not be in public as much anymore, they might not
• 42:32
  Speaker 21: talk about it loudly. But I still suspect, as I
• 42:35
  Speaker 21: know you have for a long time, that he will
• 42:37
  Speaker 21: not be the eventual nominee.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just seems it seems there's no other option.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I know there are barriers. I know that this is
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: not easy.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe they renominate him at the convention and then replace him,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: because then they can have the Democratic National Convention, just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: pick a ticket.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: But what was saying at the moment, Christian, with.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: All the focus on the Republican Convention, it's as if
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the country's moved on. This is the show now, Donald
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Trump and j D Vanson what they're going to do,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and Joe Biden's almost.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: A subplot in the White House watching on.
• 43:10
  Speaker 21: Yes, the Republican Convention is not really a political event.
• 43:14
  Speaker 21: It's a moment of unity for this country. You'll notice
• 43:18
  Speaker 21: they keep coming back at the convention to this idea
• 43:20
  Speaker 21: of unity following the horrific assassination attempt on Donald Trump.
• 43:25
  Speaker 21: So you're right, it does seem as though the nation
• 43:27
  Speaker 21: has moved on. But look a few months in politics,
• 43:30
  Speaker 21: as you well know, Chris is an eternity. Anything could happen.
• 43:33
  Speaker 21: The left despises Donald Trump with a seeving hatred and
• 43:38
  Speaker 21: they will do whatever they can to make sure that
• 43:40
  Speaker 21: he does not become president. So we have no idea
• 43:42
  Speaker 21: what's going to happen between now and then. I don't
• 43:44
  Speaker 21: think Republicans should get too comfortable thinking Trump has us.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: All wrapped up exactly in volatile times. Expect more volatility.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Kristin appreciate it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 21: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, after this brig catch up with Tim Blair, going
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about Donald Trump's display of strength and defiance
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Also, seven News.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Is unusual new segment. Why do you see that? I'll
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: show you next. Let's check in with Daily Telegraph columnist
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and blogger Tim Blair. Good to talk to you again, Tim.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I love your column about Trump's moment. Of course, that's
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the moment that's dominated world news since Sunday morning our time.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, just the fact that this bloke understood
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: at that moment that he had to lead talk us
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: through your observations.
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I guess everyone always wishes that they if they
• 44:42
  Speaker 12: had the hero moment, that they would they would rescue someone,
• 44:46
  Speaker 12: or they'd be able to, like jump in front of
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: a speeding train and save a life, or that they'd
• 44:52
  Speaker 12: be able to, in a moment of extreme personal danger,
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: have the presence of mind to stand up to and
• 45:00
  Speaker 12: declare themselves the superior to the attack, to make it
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: obvious that they're above the assault on their life. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 12: Donald Trump not only did that, he used as a
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: terrible and deadly attack, used it to gain momentum for
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: his own cause and for his own people, and it's
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: totally changed the race. It's galvanized all of his party
• 45:26
  Speaker 12: and utterly shell shocked his opponents. They've got nowhere to
• 45:30
  Speaker 12: go on this at the moment.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: This is what we talk about when it comes to instincts, right,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: because you haven't got time to process all of that.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: His instinct was to be a fighter. His instinct was
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to lead and show that he was defied.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: But I thought the other part of this that people probably.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't think of in terms of Trump, but he needed
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to show that crowd that he was okay and that
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: he was defiant, and otherwise they would have been left
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: in a state of disrepair themselves. So I thought it
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: was a great active leadership for the people and obviously
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: people watching on television at the time, just to make
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: sure everybody knew he was good.
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, and we should always obviously not forget that a
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: life was lost in this and to our lives put
• 46:09
  Speaker 12: gravely at risk. So it wasn't it wasn't a people
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: are making comments and minimizing the impact of Trump's own injury.
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: It was a far more serious circumstance than all of that.
• 46:21
  Speaker 12: And you're right, Chris, it was important for Trump to
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: not only indicate to the broader party, to people watching
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: on television, millions watching on television, but also to the
• 46:29
  Speaker 12: immediate people there who were still under threat obviously until
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: the shooter was neutralized, as they.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Never we should never forget, of course, that poor innocent
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: man lost his life just for attending a political rally,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and to other people, as you say, seriously, into just
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: a shocking, shocking event. Let's go from that higher order issue,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: if you liked, to something a little bit more slower
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: down the scale of things. From the state of Victoria,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: always at the leading edge of wokeness, of course introduced. Well,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I've been trialing electric police vehicles.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Now they're trialing electric fire truck.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Now, this to me is horrendous, tim because I've joked
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: before about you know, criminals escaping from an electric police
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: car running out of batteries. But what if a car,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: what if a fire truck is stuck in the station
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: because it's not recharged to go out and put out
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a fire.
• 47:23
  Speaker 12: Well absolutely, But of course there is the other situation,
• 47:26
  Speaker 12: which is at least an electric fire truck can put
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: itself out when they burst into flame. But he's a
• 47:33
  Speaker 12: pretty little the lovely little secret about this vehicle. And
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: I'm indebted here to a wonderful YouTube channel called mguy
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: Australia and anyone who wants to follow electric vehicle issues
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: please look up mguy Australia on YouTube, who has revealed
• 47:45
  Speaker 12: to us all that very likely this vehicle, this all
• 47:48
  Speaker 12: electric fire truck has a diesel back up engine.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Ah, it's actually a hybrid. You'd have to have the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: backup diesel engine. Wonderful stuff. That's the sort of electric
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: vehicle we can all rely on. Hey mate, I know
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you a long while, but a personal question, if you
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: don't mind, I don't know the answer to this.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: What star sign are you?
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: Aries?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Aries? All right? One?
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: A sun Aries moon, the whole Aries packet whatever that means?
• 48:15
  Speaker 12: Mess around? I had it all planned out and schedule.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Why do you ask, Chris Well?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I want to show you a segment that began on
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: the Channel seven News last night. Apparently it's going to
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: be a regular feature and let's go to the tape.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Well, there it is. We can see aries now.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether you can read what the advice was, Tim,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: but I know I'm a Libren and.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: It told me to be smart but skeptical. I think
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that's good advice every day. Honestly, what's happening to this
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: news station?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: On Friday night they had an unfunny ABC lefty satirist
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and now they're doing the horoscopes every night.
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: Give her they're running horoscopes. Couldn't they foresee that perhaps
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: this wouldn't work out? Didn't they look ahead and say,
• 49:07
  Speaker 12: you know, didn't one of the horoscopes of the executives
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: who approved this say, don't do anything incredibly stupid?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Alternatively what they've done alternatively?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Alternatively, shouldn't it be tomorrow night's news?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: Why are they delivering tonight's news? With their access to
• 49:24
  Speaker 12: the to the future. They could haul in results from
• 49:28
  Speaker 12: the football, They can give us horse racing. They give
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: us a lot of numbers. Fantastic. We don't need to
• 49:32
  Speaker 12: talk here about the result of the US election. Channel
• 49:34
  Speaker 12: seven Go to the.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Staff Channel seven, Thanks for joining us, Tim, see you
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: next week. Yeah, go to Channel seven through the horoscope.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you everything you'll need to know for the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: rest of your life. I'll see you tomorrow night