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Weird Wars Fought For Dumb Reasons · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Yeah. War. To paraphrase, the common figure of speech is heck,
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Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a pretty thing. It's been
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Speaker 1: an unfortunately common occurrence throughout the span of human history.
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Speaker 1: Some people will even argue that it is an economic necessity.
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Speaker 1: But today we are here to tell you that war
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Speaker 1: can also be ridiculous. Hi, I'm Ben. I am no Ben.
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Speaker 1: You're your gamer, your fair weather gamer, like me, a
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Speaker 1: fair weather gamer. Uh there. I've had some pretty intense
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Speaker 1: gaming experiences, but I don't play video games every day,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not. I don't play games. That's right. That
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Speaker 1: kicks you out of kindergarten because I don't play, you don't. Um.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's another good war. It never changes. That's
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Speaker 1: the opening line for the Fallout games, which i'm and
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Speaker 1: you know, the point being that the war depicted in
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Speaker 1: those games is a future slash past, post apocalyptic nuclear war. UM.
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Speaker 1: But it never changes because it's all about the human
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Speaker 1: costs and about the stuff that goes on on the
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Speaker 1: ground and the way humans interact with each other. Um.
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Speaker 1: And in our story today, animals, yes, animals, of course
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Speaker 1: we're we're referring to actual non human animals, but we
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Speaker 1: like to begin every show with a shout out to
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Speaker 1: our favorite party animal superproducer Casey Pegram. So today we
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Speaker 1: want to open the story with, as you said, Noel,
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Speaker 1: a story of an animal. This is a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a legend. But travel back with us to four
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Speaker 1: nine were ce. There were two Arab tribes that were
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Speaker 1: tangentially related, right with the daib in perfect not bad,
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Speaker 1: not bad at all, not bad at all. Come out us, Internet,
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Speaker 1: Please come at us politely or or or with a
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Speaker 1: sense of humor. That's always good, that's great. That goes
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Speaker 1: a long way with us. So this this happens in
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Speaker 1: the in Arabia in the pre Islamic era, and supposedly
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Speaker 1: the story starts when a woman named al Bass went
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Speaker 1: to visit her niece, woman named Jelilla bent Mura Jalila.
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Speaker 1: Although she was a member of the Baker tribe, this
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Speaker 1: can be a little confusing. She was married to a
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Speaker 1: guy named Koo Lab who was the leader of a
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Speaker 1: different tribe, the Toglub tribe. Right, that's right. He was
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Speaker 1: apparently a real pill about you know, ownership of stuff,
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Speaker 1: which would have been a pretty common trait back in
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Speaker 1: those days. I mean, you gotta what's mine is mine
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Speaker 1: where it's like a very mad Max kind of world
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Speaker 1: where you gotta protect your stuff or else you're gonna
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Speaker 1: get got. Do you get gotten or do you go
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Speaker 1: get Those are the choices. Are you a go getter?
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Speaker 1: Are you get got her? Yeah? Right? And this guy club,
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Speaker 1: as you said, and he said, he's a bit of
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Speaker 1: a pill. He saw an unidentified camel in his territory
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Speaker 1: and he shot it with an arrow. But he did
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Speaker 1: not know that this camel was owned by a refugee
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Speaker 1: who was under the protection of al Bastle's the lady
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Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, right, and the man's name was sad
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Speaker 1: bin chaums. I believe that sounds good. Okay, great, quick
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Speaker 1: question right up front. You see an unidentified camel, you
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Speaker 1: know you see never mind, it feels like it needs it.
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Speaker 1: We don't know what that is. Why do you shoot it?
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Speaker 1: Why don't you just wrangle it and take it? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why why would you? Why would you kill a perfectly
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Speaker 1: good ship of the desert? I guess because you make
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Speaker 1: bad decisions, because well that's yeah, that's the theme here
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Speaker 1: for sure. Um So arrow is loosed into said camel
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Speaker 1: and owner of said camel Alba sus Uh was wasn't
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Speaker 1: having it. Furious. She is livid. She is screaming, ranting,
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Speaker 1: and raving about this. She tells her nephew, Joss's, that
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Speaker 1: she has been personally humiliated. Joss's is also mad. He
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Speaker 1: hears about it. He gets steamed too, and he goes
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Speaker 1: to the leader of the Toglub tribe. This guy cool
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Speaker 1: job right, and he kills him. He kills his brother
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Speaker 1: in laws. Oh man, and uh this essentially, no, it did, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's not. Hedge beets here triggered, trigger warning war, war,
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Speaker 1: trigger a war that lasted, as the legend goes, uh
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Speaker 1: forty years between these two tribes and the idea of
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Speaker 1: warring tribes in this part of the country. Um there
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Speaker 1: remains to this day, does it not? Yeah? It does.
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Speaker 1: And what we see next after this confrontation in this
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Speaker 1: murder is a series of increasingly terrible events. So one
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Speaker 1: of Baker's allies thinks that this is kind of dumb.
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Speaker 1: We can't be killing real people over just one. You
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Speaker 1: see Roman around the desert. You are see unidentified Roman camel.
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Speaker 1: What do you think I like it? Okay, I don't
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Speaker 1: like it. It's it's it sucks, but I like I
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Speaker 1: like your I like the cut of your jim. You
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Speaker 1: like your camels, identified that's one thing you've always respected
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Speaker 1: about you. I do. But there's more bloodshed before we've
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Speaker 1: we've triggered this. This forty and this number forty comes
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Speaker 1: into play at least in the places we've read this.
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Speaker 1: So there is another leader of the Todd lab who
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Speaker 1: is the brother of the of the leader who was
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Speaker 1: killed the chieftain, right is that is that? Can we
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Speaker 1: used that term here? His name is al Mohahal al Mohallal.
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Speaker 1: I like that, And he wants to to get you
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Speaker 1: snip this in the bud, you know, let's do with truth.
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Speaker 1: And there was apparently I'm reading this really great article
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Speaker 1: that sums this up beautifully on revolv dot com. There
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Speaker 1: was a tradition here that you would send one of
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Speaker 1: your own, putting your bloodline at risk, you know, as
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Speaker 1: an emissary to make peace. So he sent his son
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Speaker 1: oh Jare to parlay with the bakar Um and they
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Speaker 1: killed him right away. Yeah, this camel beef is intense.
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Speaker 1: That's good. I like that. Maybe it's because I'm hungry,
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Speaker 1: but it was completely expected that when oh jare traveled
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Speaker 1: to sue for peace, he would be forgiven because they
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Speaker 1: were obeying the traditional rules and more's for this kind
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Speaker 1: of situation. But al mohall Hall, as you said, completely
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Speaker 1: broke murdered ojeer. And then this is where the number
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Speaker 1: four he comes back into play, right because the father
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Speaker 1: who is mourning this Alahari he been a bad recites
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Speaker 1: a poem of forty verses. Yeah, he was the one
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Speaker 1: that wasn't having it. That was like, come on, guys,
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Speaker 1: we can fix this. But now they've crossed the line.
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Speaker 1: They've killed his son. Um, he's he's he's just free
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Speaker 1: forming this misery poem um, and it all becomes kind
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Speaker 1: of part of the war. He gets his men to
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Speaker 1: shave their heads, to shave their horses manes and tails off,
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Speaker 1: and now that becomes a tradition to an Arabic culture.
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Speaker 1: It's a sign of you grieving until you have gotten
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Speaker 1: Here's the kicker here, revenge, because we all know revenge
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Speaker 1: is a sticky wicket because even when you get it,
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Speaker 1: or the perception of revenge, you don't really feel better.
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Speaker 1: And it's something that you just kind of can go
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Speaker 1: on seeking. Everywhere you see you see it. Does you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean, well, I think it's
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Speaker 1: it's true. You know, revenge is as damaging to the
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Speaker 1: persons seeking vengeance as it is to their target. Often.
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Speaker 1: This war, which continued, as we said, for forty years
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Speaker 1: again over u r C, absolutely led to a massacre
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Speaker 1: of the Togglub tribe and almost into the tribe altogether.
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Speaker 1: The last few tag Club when they were still alive.
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Speaker 1: The tribal leader we mentioned, the poet al Harith ibn Abbad,
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Speaker 1: said his famous quote, I will not talk to Todd
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Speaker 1: Club until Earth talks to me. In other words, never never, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because Earth don't talk, Earth don't talk. No. But yeah.
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Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting about this, and as it's a
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Speaker 1: good set piece, got kind of kick off this episode
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Speaker 1: is the term bassis war kind of became a stand
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Speaker 1: in for a pointless and stupid war, a pointless beef. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there is a there is a happy ending too, Bosses war. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The way the story goes, and again this is a
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Speaker 1: story is that when the Togglub tribe thought it was
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Speaker 1: going to be the end of days for them, in desperation,
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Speaker 1: they dug a trench along the road where this al
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Speaker 1: Harriff guy was passing by and a man from the
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Speaker 1: tribe hit there in the trench. And while the guy
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Speaker 1: was riding by, this member of the Talcol tribe recited
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Speaker 1: a poem asking for forgiveness and technically fulfilling the condition
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Speaker 1: of the earth, speaking to what al harif. Here's tricksy,
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Speaker 1: here's the crazy thing. It worked and the war ended.
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Speaker 1: It is very strange. Poetry seems to play a very
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Speaker 1: powerful role here. Well, here's the thing that too, As
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Speaker 1: as the case for a lot of these larger than
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Speaker 1: life historical accounts, it's more than a little liberty taken,
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Speaker 1: you know. Um. There's a great article from I OH
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Speaker 1: nine called ten the ten most Insignificant Wars in History, um,
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Speaker 1: of which this is one in the list. And they're
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Speaker 1: kind of asking how much this is true what they've
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Speaker 1: discovered and we have confirmed and what we've read as
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Speaker 1: well is that yeah, they're most likely was a war
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Speaker 1: in four nine four see um, when stuff like this
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Speaker 1: happened in this flavor. Um. But this notion of a
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Speaker 1: war lasting for this war lasting forty years is probably
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Speaker 1: a little bit overstate. In the case you ever heard
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Speaker 1: of any other wars that lasted forty years, been wasn't
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Speaker 1: a little thing called war? First of creativity, we got
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Speaker 1: forty verses in this Sadness poem one first year. Um.
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Speaker 1: And then there's another story in this Anon article that's
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Speaker 1: very similar from around the same time that talks about
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Speaker 1: these two particularly warring tribes because there were a lot
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Speaker 1: of tribes. This was a tribal culture, right, This was
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Speaker 1: not just like a left and right situation. There were
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Speaker 1: tons of these factions, you know. And another story talks
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Speaker 1: about two tribes that went to war for forty because
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Speaker 1: they couldn't decide which had one a horse race. And
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Speaker 1: this is just the beginning. If you were a fan
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Speaker 1: of our Weird People who Built Weird Stuff episode, which
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Speaker 1: we still are receiving emails about and thank you very much,
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Speaker 1: then you are going to enjoy this grab bag. Today
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Speaker 1: we are inspired to explore other wars that began for
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Speaker 1: ridiculous reasons. Uh. And also along the way we will
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Speaker 1: help determine how much truth there is or how little
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Speaker 1: truth there is to these stories. What what what do
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Speaker 1: you got? Nold? Well, I just want to like got
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Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit, our back pedal. Rather, I sat
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Speaker 1: up at the beginning of the show that a lot
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Speaker 1: of these had to do with animals, which is very true,
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Speaker 1: but also inanimate objects and severed body parts. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's true. How don't you go first if you want
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Speaker 1: to go body parts? Yeah? All right, okay, Uh. This
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Speaker 1: this is one that really stood out to me. There
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Speaker 1: was a war between Great Britain in Spain that began
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Speaker 1: in October seventeen thirty nine, and it eventually merged into
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Speaker 1: the War of the Austrian Secession. This war today is
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Speaker 1: known as the War of Jenkins. Ear was this Jenkins? Oh? Yes,
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Speaker 1: Jenkins Jenkins Jenkins the Welsh master mariner Robert Jenkins, who
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Speaker 1: is now uh slightly less famous than his own ear
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Speaker 1: So he was born around the seventeen thirties forties. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He was returning from a trading voyage in the West
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Speaker 1: Indies in charge of a brig named Rebecca in seventeen
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Speaker 1: thirty one when his ship was stopped and boarded by
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Speaker 1: h privateer ship the law Isabella, on suspicion of smuggling.
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Speaker 1: And here's where the story gets into allegedly territory. The
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Speaker 1: commander of Lizabela was a guy named one de Leone Fondino,
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Speaker 1: and he had Jenkins tied up to a mast. He
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Speaker 1: sliced one of Jenkinson's ears off with his sword and
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Speaker 1: then told him to tell the British King the same
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Speaker 1: will happen to him if he's caught doing the same.
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Speaker 1: This reminds me of rominds me of that scene and
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Speaker 1: Reservoir Dogs where Mr Blonde played by Michael Madison is
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Speaker 1: torturing the poor tied up uh police officer, undercover police officer,
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Speaker 1: and he slices his ear off, and he's dancing around
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Speaker 1: and him with his severed ear and pours gasoling on
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Speaker 1: him and all that stuff. Um, yeah, I wonder if
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that was inspired by the War of
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Speaker 1: jenkins Ear. We we can only hope I would. I
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Speaker 1: would love it if. In an interview later, Quentin Tarantino says, okay,
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Speaker 1: the you know, the parrots out of the pouch, this
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Speaker 1: parrots out of the purse or whatever. This is entirely
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Speaker 1: my exploration of the War of jenkins Ear. But it
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Speaker 1: was a real thing. So he survives, Jenkins survives, and
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Speaker 1: which point out it was his left ear according to
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Speaker 1: the story. There's another version of the story that was
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Speaker 1: published in the Pennsylvania Gazette in seventeen thirty one. Same year,
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Speaker 1: it was October, a few months after the event, and
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Speaker 1: it says that it was actually a Spanish lieutenant known
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Speaker 1: as Dorsey who cut off Jenkins's left ear, and then
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Speaker 1: another Spanish crew member took it and tore it off,
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Speaker 1: but then gave it back to him and said take
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Speaker 1: that to the king. I know, grizzly stuff. Did we
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Speaker 1: talk about the groundwork for this ear? Ear? Beef? Like?
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Speaker 1: What were they? What were they fighting for? There? We
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Speaker 1: was there was a lot of context already here, right,
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Speaker 1: because this has got southern roots, stundant, like our nick
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Speaker 1: of the Woods. Yeah, break it down a little bit, um, Well,
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Speaker 1: just just that it was a conflict between land. Um.
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Speaker 1: That was that the Spanish and English were at odds
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Speaker 1: over in South Carolina and Florida. But this has been
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Speaker 1: going on for like hundreds of years, right, um. And
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Speaker 1: then you had the formal conflict starting in seventeen thirty nine,
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Speaker 1: and this is you know, Georgia had been founded as
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Speaker 1: a colony by this point, right, Yeah. You can find
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Speaker 1: excellent article on Georgia Encyclopedia dot org about this by
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Speaker 1: Julie Ann sweet and it it really I think drives
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Speaker 1: home the significance of this for colonial Georgia because in
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Speaker 1: a lot of these cases, we're going to see what
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Speaker 1: these various wars. There might be one thing that happened
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Speaker 1: that is a good story, and so we named the
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Speaker 1: war after that, but there's almost always a ton of
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Speaker 1: other context or other factors that have commingled and driven
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Speaker 1: the two nations and conflict into an open war. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and the arrow that you know shot the the she
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Speaker 1: camel in the neck right there, we go exactly a
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Speaker 1: nice way to bring it back around Noll. So Robert Jenkins,
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Speaker 1: we should also point out what he was doing when
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Speaker 1: he was smuggling. He was also raiding Spanish ships. That's
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Speaker 1: why he was being attacked and humiliated. But he did
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Speaker 1: not die after they after they let him go and
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Speaker 1: with or without giving him his his ear, which remains
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Speaker 1: a subject of debate today. He made it back to
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Speaker 1: Britain and in June of the same year he told
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Speaker 1: the King about what happened. He gave a deposition that
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Speaker 1: was passed to the Duke of Newcastle, who at that
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Speaker 1: time was the Secretary for the Southern Colonies, so in
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Speaker 1: charge of Georgia as well, and he said that the
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Speaker 1: Spanish captain quote took hold of his left ear with
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Speaker 1: his cutlass, slit it down, and then another of the
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Speaker 1: Spaniards took hold of it and tore it off, but
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Speaker 1: gave him the piece of his ear. Again. What do
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Speaker 1: you think it would sound like to have your ear
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Speaker 1: ripped off? It's probably like a wet lower sound actually
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Speaker 1: like no, no, it's wetter than that. I think it
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Speaker 1: would also, it would think it would start low and
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Speaker 1: then go high. No, it's gonna rip. It might go
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Speaker 1: the other way around, because as you're losing the year,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, and then you scream, You definitely scream. Oh,
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Speaker 1: And what would it sound like to you? I thought
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Speaker 1: the what I mean, that's okay to you in your
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Speaker 1: own your whole that would be all that was left.
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Speaker 1: We have gotten grizzly with this. I think that's very
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Speaker 1: interesting from a scientific perspective. Let us know what you
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Speaker 1: think you ever had ear torn off? Don't do it
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Speaker 1: just for this, please let us know. So after this,
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Speaker 1: there's another there's another myth here. You'll here claims that
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Speaker 1: in seventeen eight, just before the war formally begins, Jenkins
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Speaker 1: tells his story in an embellished version before members of
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Speaker 1: the House of Commons, and then fart way through this
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Speaker 1: story check this out, he pulls out a jar where
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Speaker 1: he's got his pickled ear. Yeah, I think that's so weird.
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Speaker 1: There's no proof though, Well do you think, because in
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Speaker 1: those days it's something like that happened, do you think
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Speaker 1: there was any hope that you would ever get it reattached?
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Speaker 1: It was pretty much just like it's done, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's done. The best you can do is put it
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Speaker 1: in a jar to show people at pennies if it's
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Speaker 1: still if it's still like partially attached, to pay on
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Speaker 1: how it was cut. It be possible maybe to sew
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Speaker 1: it back together and hope for the best, right, But
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Speaker 1: chances are I would just rot it would like it
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Speaker 1: would it would not? Yeah, yeah, right to us if
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Speaker 1: you just ripped your ear off and then sewed it back,
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Speaker 1: tell us what it's sound. But medical science, you know what,
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Speaker 1: they can help you out. Back back in these days
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Speaker 1: that the jar was was about the best you could
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Speaker 1: hope for. You keep it on the nightstand, you use
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Speaker 1: it as like a like a table setting ice breaker. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, good conversation starter, Yeah, but what was the results?
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing too about these wars again, so much context,
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Speaker 1: so much conflict. You get a name like this attached
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Speaker 1: to something because it's got it's got hoot spot, you know,
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Speaker 1: it gives it, it gives it a sense of grandiosity
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Speaker 1: or whatever legs it's got well yeah, or ears, yeah, whatever,
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Speaker 1: But what was the outcome? So eventually, whether or not
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Speaker 1: he actually appeared with his severty or in front of
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Speaker 1: the House of Commons, the Parliament begins pushing the keen
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Speaker 1: to seek compensation, redress, apologies for Spain is going to
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Speaker 1: be a theme in many of these conflicts. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: don't think we got into it with the camel situation,
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Speaker 1: but I bet you there was. Maybe they didn't. They
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Speaker 1: were so incense. There wasn't even discussion of pay me
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Speaker 1: for the loss of my camel. It was much more
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Speaker 1: based on just sheer outrage and the principles. And they
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Speaker 1: tried to send Yeah it's a shame, but so they
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Speaker 1: did attempt diplomacy. But by seventeen thirty nine that was
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Speaker 1: clearly not going to be a viable path. So King
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Speaker 1: George said, uh. In July ten, he told his Admiralty
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Speaker 1: Board two start quote initiating reprisals against Spain. So at
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Speaker 1: this point the Governor um of the British Colony of Georgia,
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Speaker 1: James Oglethorpe, got involved and he amassed some forces and
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Speaker 1: went into Florida, took down some Spanish forts. We've got
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Speaker 1: your Fort Picco Latta and you've got your fort San Francisco.
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Speaker 1: Du Popo Popo. I'm gonna go with Popo, p u po. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that um. And yeah, I went
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Speaker 1: into parts of Florida St. Augustine Um along the St.
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Speaker 1: John's River and again fantastic information coming from Georgia Encyclopedia
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Speaker 1: dot org um. And his aim was to cut off
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Speaker 1: supplies to the Spanish um and you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: head them off of the pass and get those supplies
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Speaker 1: from the forts, and then the Spanish you're going to
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Speaker 1: arrive the forces that were deployed in this situation. And uh,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of what his whole strategy was there, right right,
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Speaker 1: And denying access to resources is a tried and true
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Speaker 1: method of warfare. But I guess for whatever reason, it
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Speaker 1: didn't quite work out the way he wanted and he
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Speaker 1: ended up having to kind of take a step back
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Speaker 1: and just seeing where the pieces fell. When the Spanish
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Speaker 1: finally did show up and invade, and that happened in
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Speaker 1: the summer of seventeen forty two Spanish forces landed on
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Speaker 1: the tip of St. Simon's Island. They got together to
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Speaker 1: just the tip, just the tip. They got together to
21:24
Speaker 1: attack Fort Frederica. Uh, no relation to our long time
21:28
Speaker 1: from Matt Frederick or maybe there is, you know, we
21:31
Speaker 1: have to check. But but so, Oglethorpe was having already
21:35
Speaker 1: having a problem with organizing his army. I believe he
21:39
Speaker 1: had a lot of diverse commanders in the siege that
21:42
Speaker 1: he had. An attempted didn't work because he could not
21:45
Speaker 1: coordinate the navel and land based assaults. But as soon
21:51
Speaker 1: as the English forces got word of the Spanish parties arriving,
21:56
Speaker 1: I think they found a scouting party, Oglethorpe aggressively led
22:02
Speaker 1: a charge against the Spanish. What did they do? Well?
22:05
Speaker 1: I got one for you about a question, Um, what's
22:08
Speaker 1: the difference between a battle and a skirmish? A battle
22:12
Speaker 1: in a skirmish, you know, I don't know whether there
22:16
Speaker 1: is a technical, hard and fast difference. It's like the
22:18
Speaker 1: differen between a fight versus a scrap you know, right right,
22:22
Speaker 1: or an argument versus a spat a tiff. Perhaps, Yeah,
22:25
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. So I would imagine
22:27
Speaker 1: if we're just speculating, and I think you can go
22:29
Speaker 1: with me on this, if we're just speculating, I would
22:32
Speaker 1: I would imagine that a skirmish is probably lower in
22:36
Speaker 1: terms of number of people injured and a number of
22:39
Speaker 1: people killed. You know what I mean, It's like shots fired. Well.
22:42
Speaker 1: My friend Webster describes a skirmish as an episode of
22:45
Speaker 1: irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying parts
22:51
Speaker 1: of armies or so ships in the night. They bump
22:54
Speaker 1: into each other, not the big show. Yeah yeah, and
22:57
Speaker 1: they go, holy smokes, did kill it's them exactly, And
23:01
Speaker 1: they freak out and then people die. Half the people
23:04
Speaker 1: scream kill, half the people scream run. And you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: I'm sure we know this too. You can use skirmish
23:10
Speaker 1: as a verb. You can be you can you can
23:12
Speaker 1: you know so there skirmishing? Yes? Yes? Uh. And also
23:17
Speaker 1: this is American English, which I love because it means
23:19
Speaker 1: we can use almost anything as a verb. We can
23:23
Speaker 1: say that you got jenkins or you Jenkins. That so
23:26
Speaker 1: for our purposes here, but we're not a military history
23:31
Speaker 1: deep dive show. The point being is that all of this,
23:35
Speaker 1: all of these uh skirmishes and battles and and fracases
23:39
Speaker 1: and TIFFs and what have you and deaths um all
23:43
Speaker 1: resulted from a smuggler being kind of tortured. Mr. Blonde style.
23:50
Speaker 1: The story of a smuggler. That's the thing, right, because
23:53
Speaker 1: the story is way cooler, because I'm already kind of
23:55
Speaker 1: getting a little snoozed out going through every little stories.
23:59
Speaker 1: But the story are important in that they are the
24:03
Speaker 1: easiest way to motivate absolute population. Ultimately, if we fast
24:08
Speaker 1: forward a bit, UH, the end of this war occurs
24:13
Speaker 1: at the Treaty of ox La Chapelle in seventeen forty eight,
24:17
Speaker 1: and it returns all the colonial claims to the previous owners,
24:21
Speaker 1: and the two nations unofficially agree on the border between
24:26
Speaker 1: Georgia and Florida, and they name it, they say the
24:28
Speaker 1: Saint John River the St. John's River rather, And because
24:33
Speaker 1: of this war, because of Oglethorpe's actions, and because at
24:36
Speaker 1: least in some aspect, because a guy named Robert Jenkins
24:40
Speaker 1: got his ear cut off, Georgia remained an English possession. So, uh,
24:46
Speaker 1: you know if somebody, if your friend gets their ear
24:49
Speaker 1: cut off, don't don't feel like you have to wage
24:51
Speaker 1: war over it. Yeah took go crying over sliced ears. Yeah,
24:54
Speaker 1: so you cry. I'd cry. I don't know if it
24:58
Speaker 1: was my ear or the ear of loved one. I
25:00
Speaker 1: would go into like deep meditation techniques to try to
25:03
Speaker 1: not feel it. They got to a hospital or bandage.
25:07
Speaker 1: I think, what sets what set what sets these stories
25:09
Speaker 1: not not apart at all, what puts them together, what
25:12
Speaker 1: what joins them, is that it's these kind of simple
25:16
Speaker 1: acts that have the power to push humans in positions
25:23
Speaker 1: to create huge, horrible, long lasting consequences and conflicts to
25:29
Speaker 1: their limits and they get it done. But as you say,
25:32
Speaker 1: we've talked about this constantly with these powder keg moments,
25:35
Speaker 1: and like history, you always hear about the moment, but
25:39
Speaker 1: then the details are always there, the context as always,
25:43
Speaker 1: and we find the moment retroactively too often. You know,
25:47
Speaker 1: we have somebody who looks back when they're writing about
25:50
Speaker 1: an event that occurred hundreds of years ago, and they go, oh,
25:53
Speaker 1: it's because of that, It's because that's what it was.
25:57
Speaker 1: But we have more examples, and no, you found one
26:00
Speaker 1: that really fascinated me. All right, well I had to
26:03
Speaker 1: one about an inanimate object and one about um uh
26:08
Speaker 1: an animal. Which one would you like to hear? Oh? Man, okay,
26:11
Speaker 1: let's let's go to the inanimate object and then because
26:15
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to circle back with the animal. Yeah, okay,
26:18
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. The inanimate object in question, my friend,
26:21
Speaker 1: is a bucket. A bucket? A bucket? Could they could?
26:26
Speaker 1: I ask you just this is the honest question. Is
26:30
Speaker 1: this thing gonna end up being called the Bucket War? Yeah?
26:33
Speaker 1: Or the War of the Buckets, or you know, the
26:36
Speaker 1: the Skirmish of the pale Yeah, whatever, But this one
26:43
Speaker 1: was pretty gnarly, uh you know, as was the We
26:46
Speaker 1: didn't talk about deaths in the jenkins Ear War. A
26:50
Speaker 1: lot of people died. It's cool, very tragic figured as
26:54
Speaker 1: much I mean cool, like the cool they died, this
26:56
Speaker 1: meant like cool. We we we got that out. We
26:58
Speaker 1: admitted that war is tragic, war is with people. That
27:02
Speaker 1: it's heck as you say, is that an acronym? What
27:04
Speaker 1: is heck is? It's a good, good, good clean Christian
27:06
Speaker 1: boy stand in for the other word. Yep. Which we
27:09
Speaker 1: can say on this show is a show, I know,
27:11
Speaker 1: but I like saying heck, I know, it's very endearing,
27:13
Speaker 1: thank you. So So the Bucket War, the Bucket War.
27:16
Speaker 1: When did this happen? Well, it was in thirty five.
27:19
Speaker 1: And this also involves clashes between let's call them clans,
27:23
Speaker 1: I guess for lack of a better No, it's fine,
27:25
Speaker 1: but we don't need a better one. We're gonna go
27:26
Speaker 1: with clans, family, family communities, right, or they're bonded through
27:31
Speaker 1: biological relationship. This is right, This is correct. And you
27:34
Speaker 1: know a medieval society, family was everything right, and you
27:37
Speaker 1: would organize around family and it was all about your
27:40
Speaker 1: house and you know that, you know, and I'm just
27:42
Speaker 1: using Game of Thrones rules here, but I'm pretty sure
27:44
Speaker 1: that was all based on our boy George or Martin
27:46
Speaker 1: did his homework so we didn't have to. Yeah, just
27:50
Speaker 1: check out his audio books. You need to finish those
27:52
Speaker 1: books though, George. Come on, man, the show is gonna out.
27:55
Speaker 1: It's not happening, it's it's never coming out. Yeah. So
27:58
Speaker 1: this particular clash of clans was between the Ghibellines and
28:03
Speaker 1: the Guelfs. Sounds like made up doctor who aliens, the Guelfs.
28:09
Speaker 1: Maybe it was gelf Lins, but that was in the
28:11
Speaker 1: dark Crystal. I think the little puppet guys and the
28:14
Speaker 1: bad guys were the slee Stacks. That that's close. They
28:17
Speaker 1: were the Skexies. Skexes what a slee stacks. Slee Stacks
28:21
Speaker 1: are from Land of the Lost. Do you remember that show? Oh? Yeah,
28:26
Speaker 1: kind of thing where it was like time travel. They
28:29
Speaker 1: accidentally stepped through a portal into the Land of the Loss. Yeah,
28:32
Speaker 1: and it's always explained in the theme song, Oh I
28:35
Speaker 1: love it, I love It's They're like we were in
28:38
Speaker 1: a boat and then you're living in the Land of
28:39
Speaker 1: the Lost. Yeah. There, slee Stacks were evil creatures who
28:43
Speaker 1: would evolve to anthropomorphoid forms from reptile Okay, okay, well
28:48
Speaker 1: there's none of that in this particular conflict. This is
28:50
Speaker 1: strictly human, you know, reptilians or weird little elf people
28:57
Speaker 1: fashioned by the Jim Henson studio. Buckets, right, definitely buckets.
29:00
Speaker 1: So here's the thing I might need to help from
29:03
Speaker 1: you with this, because these are always just like a
29:04
Speaker 1: bit of a mind a mind frack um. You've got
29:09
Speaker 1: these warring sides that support different head haunt schows of God. Right,
29:16
Speaker 1: So we've got the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Barbosa, who
29:21
Speaker 1: was also the King of Germany, and then you have
29:25
Speaker 1: the Pope right, yeah, yeah, you specifically have Pope John two.
29:32
Speaker 1: All of this began or kicked off in earnest Um,
29:35
Speaker 1: or this conflict in the region when the Holy Roman
29:37
Speaker 1: Emperor Frederick Barbosa uh invaded Italy Um. And he did
29:42
Speaker 1: this with what he believed was God's blessing as like
29:47
Speaker 1: like crowning him for all intents and purposes, as God's
29:51
Speaker 1: conduit on earth. But that didn't fly super well with
29:55
Speaker 1: others who believed that the Pope was the only one
30:00
Speaker 1: that was crowned with God's conduitness and that was that
30:04
Speaker 1: was the normal thing, that was that was the established norm.
30:08
Speaker 1: And uh, you were telling me that the Guelfs and
30:11
Speaker 1: the Ghibellines were on different sides of this. That is
30:13
Speaker 1: absolutely correct, because you see, the Ghibellines supported the Emperor,
30:18
Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Emperor in this conflict, and the Guelfs
30:22
Speaker 1: supported the Pope Um and Italy was just a loose agglomeration.
30:28
Speaker 1: He taught me that word. Man, I'm gonna keep using um.
30:31
Speaker 1: Of these little city states kind of and like the
30:34
Speaker 1: story we've talked about with the Alabastas War and honestly
30:38
Speaker 1: with the Jenkins Ear, you've got these folks that think
30:41
Speaker 1: they own the border. Like if you're at a border area,
30:43
Speaker 1: you're like, now, this is mine. Because there's no official lines,
30:46
Speaker 1: it's probably based on some geographical thing, but that's all
30:50
Speaker 1: up for debate, especially when you start beefing with each other.
30:53
Speaker 1: And um So, eventually Frederick was Austin. They kicked him out.
30:58
Speaker 1: He was done. You know. The Pope ultimately rained rained
31:01
Speaker 1: supreme in these early disagreements, but that did not mean
31:05
Speaker 1: that there were not sympathizers that remained. So he kind
31:09
Speaker 1: of had his uh ultimate um fu moment by leaving
31:14
Speaker 1: the country kind of completely divided. Right, So you still
31:17
Speaker 1: have these warring city states, and then you had these
31:20
Speaker 1: opposing you know groups. I think it's the Pope who
31:23
Speaker 1: is the direct communicator with God. I think it's the
31:26
Speaker 1: Holy Roman Emperor. Now we now we fight, and it's
31:29
Speaker 1: complicated because with these shifting borders for these city states,
31:36
Speaker 1: one state could largely support the Holy Roman Emperor and
31:40
Speaker 1: one state could largely support the Pope. And the problem
31:44
Speaker 1: is that these could be very close together, especially in
31:47
Speaker 1: the example of Modena and Bologna. Right, yes, And I
31:51
Speaker 1: think at the top of this section I mentioned that
31:54
Speaker 1: um this took place in Castello de serreval and in
31:58
Speaker 1: the region that is Emilia Mania. That's what it would
32:01
Speaker 1: be referred to as today. At the time of this
32:04
Speaker 1: um this, this story, they were, as you say, ben
32:07
Speaker 1: Modemia and Bologna, and those are barely thirty miles apart,
32:12
Speaker 1: or maybe around thirty apart. So tensions are always always
32:18
Speaker 1: going to be high. They're virtually adjacent to each other.
32:21
Speaker 1: It seems like an unsustainable situation, I'm just guessing. And
32:25
Speaker 1: here here we are back with a lot of skirmishes
32:27
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be called that. They're not going to
32:29
Speaker 1: be full all out wars. They're just gonna be little
32:33
Speaker 1: conflicts between folks standing on opposite sides of the particular borders.
32:37
Speaker 1: Uh and and this bucket war is just such an event.
32:42
Speaker 1: So they're rating farms and uh their burning fields, generally
32:46
Speaker 1: thumbing the nose of the opposition, you know, and just
32:49
Speaker 1: kind of trying to mess them up because they fundamentally
32:52
Speaker 1: disagree with what everything they stand for. And yet they're
32:55
Speaker 1: somehow neighbors, right, Okay, all right, so ben, as you
33:03
Speaker 1: say in five we've got these uh what mini fights,
33:07
Speaker 1: these skirmishes. Yes, we're going with that. That's that's the
33:10
Speaker 1: new way. Um. And they just keep happening, and then
33:14
Speaker 1: things keep escalating. Then finally in July, um, you've got
33:17
Speaker 1: some of these bolonaise. Uh. I can't say that without
33:20
Speaker 1: getting hungry and delicious. So we we have our computers
33:26
Speaker 1: up today, and I want to confess to you and
33:30
Speaker 1: everyone listening, fellow ridiculous historians. When we started saying bullet as,
33:36
Speaker 1: I may have googled bullets recipe and started planning what
33:40
Speaker 1: to make for dinner. Well, maybe you know what, maybe
33:42
Speaker 1: we can bump that right on up to lunch because
33:44
Speaker 1: there's a lovely postive place downstairs, and we've been at
33:47
Speaker 1: it a long time. Today, we owe it to ourselves.
33:48
Speaker 1: Let's treat ourselves. It's Friday anyway, though, as you say,
33:51
Speaker 1: slaughtering folks, burning fields, just making a mess, looting and
33:56
Speaker 1: polluting all of that stuff, and they end up taking
33:58
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff back with them over the border.
34:02
Speaker 1: They keep doing this, Um, They're just doing a lot
34:05
Speaker 1: of damage, really, really, really reckoned the place. Um. And
34:09
Speaker 1: then in September he got some revenge being exacted because
34:14
Speaker 1: some of these troops were captured and you know, the
34:17
Speaker 1: Modenese had had it. So in under cover of dark,
34:21
Speaker 1: the Modanese soldiers or a group of them, they snuck
34:24
Speaker 1: across the border into the city center and next to
34:29
Speaker 1: something called the San Felice Gate, where they found an
34:33
Speaker 1: oaken bucket filled with loot, with with booty that belonged
34:38
Speaker 1: to Modina originally plunder. That's right, and said bucket was
34:44
Speaker 1: was nabbed, was nicked. They took it and put it
34:47
Speaker 1: under their arms and ran back and showed it off
34:49
Speaker 1: in their city center for all of the Modenese to see, right,
34:54
Speaker 1: and for the residents of Bologna to see as well.
34:59
Speaker 1: So the people Bologna are furious and they say, give
35:04
Speaker 1: us back that bucket, the better have that stuff we
35:07
Speaker 1: stole earlier in it too. It is pretty hypocritical that
35:12
Speaker 1: they were angry. It's something they had stolen, had just
35:15
Speaker 1: been restolen. Ye, it's pretty petty and childlike behavior. But
35:20
Speaker 1: again we're seeing that with all these stories. Um, so
35:24
Speaker 1: that's kind of They demanded the return of the bucket
35:27
Speaker 1: I guess they were more concerned about the booty. But
35:30
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen specifically what it was. I'm imagining
35:33
Speaker 1: it's maybe coin plundered from I'm just picturing like role
35:39
Speaker 1: playing games where where all the money is just in
35:42
Speaker 1: like sacks that are just littered around the place or something.
35:45
Speaker 1: You just kind of step on it and then you
35:46
Speaker 1: hear a ching sound and then it shows up in
35:48
Speaker 1: your inventory. You know what it probably I can tell
35:51
Speaker 1: you what it probably wasn't. It probably was not uh
35:54
Speaker 1: a religious artifactor or reliquary, because then the war would
35:58
Speaker 1: have been named after that instead of the bucket. This
36:01
Speaker 1: is probably just like straight up cash money or find
36:04
Speaker 1: fine clothing. And speaking of which, that's when the this
36:07
Speaker 1: particular conflict began. In earnest On November thirteen, twenty five,
36:14
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Mala Testino del Occio,
36:17
Speaker 1: who was the lord of remini Um led his people,
36:21
Speaker 1: the Balinese and um Any allies. They had been able
36:25
Speaker 1: to amass two besiege the city state of Marginia and
36:32
Speaker 1: get that bucket back. So ridiculous, man. So they were
36:37
Speaker 1: met by a pretty strong resistance soldiers from Modina, Mantua
36:42
Speaker 1: and Ferrara as well as some Germans sent by our boy,
36:48
Speaker 1: the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick Frederick himself, that's right, but
36:53
Speaker 1: not to be bested the pope in question x x
36:56
Speaker 1: I I I he sent thirty thousand, so they were
37:02
Speaker 1: vastly out number. Yeah, and that's in the additional couple
37:06
Speaker 1: thousand knights on horseback. So what we're seeing happen here
37:10
Speaker 1: is a proxy war essentially over a bucket that again
37:15
Speaker 1: you know, in defense of the bucket was not empty.
37:18
Speaker 1: So the Modenese, as you said, Noel, were pretty well
37:21
Speaker 1: out numbered where they have like six thousand troops I
37:24
Speaker 1: think a combination of foot soldiers and horsemen as well.
37:29
Speaker 1: And yeah, they they went at it, and despite those numbers,
37:33
Speaker 1: they really kicked some solid toukots. Absolutely. Yeah, they did
37:38
Speaker 1: something that read where they they disrupted it's called a route.
37:43
Speaker 1: They disrupted the activities and the organization of the larger army.
37:46
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, smaller force you can get out numbered,
37:49
Speaker 1: but it's a little easier to control maybe, and you
37:52
Speaker 1: and check your nimble and the larger force. If you
37:55
Speaker 1: can disrupt their communications, um with this thing called a route,
37:59
Speaker 1: you can cause chaos in their ranks and they're not
38:01
Speaker 1: going to know which way is up, absolutely, and I
38:05
Speaker 1: think that's a very important point, especially for this story.
38:08
Speaker 1: So the Modanese succeeded. But this was a bloody conflict
38:13
Speaker 1: by this point, right, Yeah, I think we we lost
38:15
Speaker 1: about two thousand on both sides, which I would have
38:18
Speaker 1: just thought it would have just been a total blood
38:21
Speaker 1: bath from the pope led thirty thousand, um, you know,
38:27
Speaker 1: against the only seven thousand, but only about two thousand
38:30
Speaker 1: lives were lost on both sides. But that's pretty insane.
38:33
Speaker 1: That's a lot of that's a lot of people over
38:34
Speaker 1: a bucket. Yeah, so what that's that's my next big question.
38:38
Speaker 1: That's burning And first what happened after this? Did the
38:41
Speaker 1: war end? And even more importantly, what happened to the bucket? Yeah,
38:45
Speaker 1: the war did eventually end. Um it raged on until
38:48
Speaker 1: fifty nine, when we've got Charles of Spain, the first
38:52
Speaker 1: that is, who by that point became a Holy Roman Emperor.
38:57
Speaker 1: That's a thing you can inherit that, I guess. But
39:00
Speaker 1: I feel like Brad Pitt's character at the end of seven,
39:03
Speaker 1: I keep going, what's in the bucket? Yeah, well, we don't.
39:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's lost to time because
39:08
Speaker 1: now the bucket does remain um in it's just bucket form,
39:13
Speaker 1: and you can see it in Modinia um and it's
39:15
Speaker 1: at the Torah della Gierlandina and that's just like um,
39:19
Speaker 1: I guess a mock up of it, right, Okay, yeah,
39:23
Speaker 1: just you know, to commemorate the day um and the
39:26
Speaker 1: real one though you can find at the Palazzo Communale
39:30
Speaker 1: even today, the modern day, I believe. So that's so cool.
39:34
Speaker 1: Your tickets, now, book your bucket tickets. I've never been
39:37
Speaker 1: so into a bucket What if somebody had that bucket
39:40
Speaker 1: on their bucket list? There we go. What if a
39:42
Speaker 1: bucket list was just a list of famous buckets that
39:45
Speaker 1: before I was thinking the same thing. You mind, reader,
39:48
Speaker 1: let's make let's make a bucket list. I want to
39:51
Speaker 1: if I more famous buckets in history. So huge props
39:54
Speaker 1: to Schehan Russell from war History Online for the bloodiest
39:59
Speaker 1: Medieval war is fought because of a bucket, because I
40:02
Speaker 1: pilfered heavily from that article for this one. But it's
40:05
Speaker 1: a fun story. Fun that's not the right word for it.
40:08
Speaker 1: But it's a ridiculous story because it just goes to
40:10
Speaker 1: show how the simplest things and the pettiest interactions can
40:15
Speaker 1: lead to serious bloodshed. It's kind of like the old
40:18
Speaker 1: line where if you already decided that you don't like someone,
40:24
Speaker 1: whatever they do is just gonna make you not like them. Still,
40:27
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how innocuous it is. And that applies
40:30
Speaker 1: to states and nations that want to go to war.
40:33
Speaker 1: If they need uh causes belly or they need a
40:36
Speaker 1: reason to go to war, they can just find one.
40:39
Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, everyone off off air. We we checked
40:45
Speaker 1: what time we were at and we got so into
40:48
Speaker 1: this that, Noel, do you realize we've been We've been
40:52
Speaker 1: fascinated by buckets, ears, and camels for like an hour.
40:59
Speaker 1: Buck was like apvels go by. I'm fine with that, though,
41:01
Speaker 1: you know. We gave them their do And then there's
41:03
Speaker 1: just one that we're gonna I think we're gonna leave
41:05
Speaker 1: on the table. So once again we kind of overprepared,
41:08
Speaker 1: but I guess it's better than under delivering. That's what
41:12
Speaker 1: I always say. So, yeah, we got two that we're
41:14
Speaker 1: leaving on the table, But maybe we'll just turn those
41:16
Speaker 1: into episodes of their own, because each one of these
41:18
Speaker 1: could have really been an episode on their own. That's
41:20
Speaker 1: that's true. At the camel one. I guess, well, it
41:24
Speaker 1: depends on how much we want to learn about pre
41:26
Speaker 1: Islamic tribal relations and the biology of camels. But that
41:31
Speaker 1: can you milk a camel? Yeah? You can? You can
41:33
Speaker 1: milk a camel? Is it gonna be worth it? I
41:36
Speaker 1: don't know. Did you know what? You can milk pigs too?
41:38
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen, you know, you always see the
41:40
Speaker 1: little piglets suckling on the big, big sal Yeah, so
41:43
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that. Yeah, I just you don't hear here
41:46
Speaker 1: about pig milk though. Yeah, no, I think we used
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Speaker 1: it once in a story on a different show, just
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Speaker 1: because it's such a weird term. But we digress, And yes,
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Speaker 1: that is part of the nature of ridiculous history. Today,
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Speaker 1: we're in to wrap it up. Stay tuned for possible
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Speaker 1: future explanations of the two ridiculous wars we did not
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Speaker 1: get to today. In the meantime, we of course always
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Speaker 1: And again, just to be completely completely clear, do not
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Speaker 1: just just don't do it even to make your point
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