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Episode 317- Rick and Elaine Discuss the Book of Job- Episode 19 · The Burros of Berea Podcast

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Well, welcome back to Rick and Elaine discuss
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the Bible and in particular the book of Job.
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How you doing? Hey, how you doing? I'm doing
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fine. I'm I'm going to be sensible this morning.
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I'm doing fine. That's because that's because
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you're not in Spain today. That's why you're
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being sensible because you're now in England.
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I am in England. So I've got that my intellectual
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capacity and my ability to sort of like rise
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above stupidity has to be shown. You know what
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that I was saying in that one, I can't remember
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which episode we did that people that, you know,
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who have a British accent or English, sorry,
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English accent sounds smart. We can't say British
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accent because the Irish are involved, but, um,
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exactly. That's so mean. I'm just kidding. I'm
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just kidding. The Irish are lovely people, but
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even this, even the Scottish are saying England,
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but they don't like to say that, but it is English.
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I'm sorry. You know, we can dress it up however
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you like, but you know, at the end of the day,
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I'm not proud about it. I mean, It just is what
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it is. It's a language. As long as it gets the
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point, of course, it doesn't matter. No, that's
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right. That's right. So being from the South,
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guys, being from the South, automatically people
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don't think we're smart. But what you'll learn
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is that we're wise. And so that's why people
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like like the Kennedy that's in Louisiana. He
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talks and it's like, like I've said before, like
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the molasses just running off the lips. Beautiful.
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The wisdom, the wisdom. Exactly. And that's it.
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I mean, apparently, I don't know how true this
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is, but the Galileans, they were sort of like
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bumpkins. They were country bumpkins. You know,
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a good job they're not living now, but they apparently
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spoke Hebrew with a bit of a lisp. Yes. people
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like you know judas from from caroth judas is
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caroth um he um uh kyrioth i think it was he
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came from wasn't it yeah kyriot yeah hang on
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let me just uh no let me let me get rid of that
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so um yeah sorry that was a phone call from somebody
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in spain so yeah it's okay that's all right but
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yeah he's broke it very refined so apparently
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he already believed that he was superior yes
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yes and yeah that's true wait what am i looking
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at i was trying to find these comments where
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are the comments at um we had a new commenter
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Yes, yes, I heard that all right, so in this
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guy's so he's he's coming in this day He's listening
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to the study. I think he's listening to the releases
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that are on actually the burrows of Berea release
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So he's he's behind us because in patreon. We're
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already like today is episode 19 So this is um
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from Justin Nichols, but it's back on episode
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seven, but I know Justin very well and Tony,
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Tony driver. I think you would really love Justin.
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Justin also makes music with AI. He's been sending
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me songs on the side too. And you, and he's,
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he's so encouraged by you and I hope you'll be
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encouraged by him. He sent me a song. It's amazing.
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I'm gonna send it to you. But here's what Justin
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said from episode seven. He says, Rick and Elaine,
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thank you both for this ongoing study and discussion.
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Your diligence and consistency in going through
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this deep, dense, profound book are impressive.
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Well, all glory to God. Glory to God. That's
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right. I've been enjoying listening to you to
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share your hearts and insights as you tackle
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this ancient But inspired wisdom literature.
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He said Rick excellent. It's Jesus on a rehab
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or a hob and nine Verse 13. I greatly appreciated
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that blessings to you my brother and sister.
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Keep going in his strength and grace. Thank you,
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Justin Amen. Amen. Justin is it Justin Nichols
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is his name. Yep. He's out in the upper Midwest
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now just in time Just in time Justin, it doesn't
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matter where you land by the time you get to
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this episode We'll have spoken so nicely to you
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six weeks ago Yeah, and about you that's right.
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Thank you. If he doesn't send anymore it could
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change True, if he doesn't so therefore, you
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know never can't tell you never can't tell you
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never can tell No, you're not as good as me Rick.
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Sorry. I'm not I'm not I'm not as good as you
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doesn't matter as long as you know your place
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as long And I do And I do know my place. All
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right, here we go. So from verse 19 or from,
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sorry, from episode 18, I titled it saying everything
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and saying nothing, which is exactly what Bill
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Dad did. So from Dina Thompson. Hi, Dina. Hi,
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Dina. Dina. No, don't get silly now. You're in
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England. All right. So. Hello, Dina. Hello, Dina.
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All right. She says, truly a wonderful time in
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the word with family. This episode had my mind
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blown. How about that? I appreciate the reminder
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to do more word study, taking the word worm and
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going deeper in study about it literally blew
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my mind in a beautiful way. I was reminded, I
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was reminded of doing the word study on Darnal.
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Yeah. I was going through a reading plan and
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the verse was the one about separating the wheat
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from the darnal. I had never heard that word,
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just only tares. So I looked it up because I
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didn't know it and found out that darnal is completely
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identical to wheat. Only someone with wisdom
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could tell them apart. That's really good to
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know. It made the verse so much more alive to
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me. Also, the word ghost and what that meant.
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All I could think about was the cross and that
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Jesus gave up the ghost. Any person who knew
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the scriptures knew exactly how deep that statement
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was. Mind blown. Absolutely. As my Alan says,
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her husband Alan Thompson, as my Alan says, you
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bring out nuggets of scripture and this has truly
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for me been a mining time with our God. Thank
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you for this study and the reminder to do more
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word study. I love you both very much. Thank
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you for sharing, Rick. I know abuse is not easy
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to talk about, and I'm thankful for your deliverance.
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Thank you, Dina. Absolutely. And this is what
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I'm saying. It's so beautiful that they can see
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our hearts are genuine. We can have a laugh.
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We can have a crack. And yet, you know, there's
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a time to laugh and a time to be serious. You
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know, and we do have a laugh. We're just human.
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We're just ordinary people that have an extra
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ordinary savior. And that's the beauty of it.
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We can just come together, say what we think,
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say what we feel. And that is the that is the
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essence of what we're doing. We're not sort of
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like sitting here, you know, giving out information
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or linking this and linking that in a way that
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it's intellect. It literally is being cited in
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the Word and seeing, oh, that works. Oh, that
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goes there. Yes, God used that word because,
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oh, going deeper into that, it really gives you
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this eye -opening understanding that you'd never
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had before. And it's all about God sort of like
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saying, come, come and just share this. Look
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at this treasure trove of treasure that you maybe
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never looked before. And I think that's the thing
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that this is doing. And like I said before, we
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sort of started the recording. You know, there
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is so much that we are gaining together. And
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that, for me, is the beauty of it. So when I
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meet these people, we would have already been
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bound by the Holy Spirit more and more and more.
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And like I said, whether we join, whether I know
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about how many children they got, where they
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live, you know, where they were born or what
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date their birthday is, at the end of the day,
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that pales into nothing compared to the fact
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that I know who they are because they're in Christ.
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Amen. Absolutely. And I'll say this to you, Dina,
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in regard to the abuse. Absolutely. Yes, I've
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been delivered. But one of the things that's
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part of that deliverance is I've had to go through
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and understand the depths of depravity in mankind
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and just how far God's grace abounds, but also
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understand that he's not asking you to get him
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off the hook. And that was the biggest thing
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for me is I used to separate those like God must
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not have known about that because he's good and
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loving and so therefore he didn't know that and
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then when he found out he felt sorry for me and
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he loved me no that's not the god we're talking
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about which makes it even harder for people when
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you but that's what i had to go through in order
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to be delivered i had that really. Come to know
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him because what we do when we're hurt is we
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lash out in anger. That's what I was doing I
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became very very angry at the world. I was angry
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at everybody I felt like my childhood had been
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robbed from me. I felt like I couldn't trust
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anyone and then I also felt because of those
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sickening thoughts that were coming through my
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head, you know the the lust for uh, pornography,
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the, the feelings of lust towards people that
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didn't even know I'm feeling this, that, that
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appalling feeling on the inside of me made me
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feel like I can't be trusted. And so it was a
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miserable, miserable life. And so I couldn't,
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you know, I couldn't do anything with it for
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the longest time. So I just, I showed everything
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out in anger. I just, I had a very short fuse
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or my feelings on my sleeve and it took me a
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long time to get through it. But once I did and
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I understood it had to come from our true relationship
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with our Heavenly Father through the Christ That's
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right. And this is it we're all born with a sort
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of a blank piece of paper and it's down to the
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experiences the situations the Circumstances
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that we go through and how we react to them that
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we build up this personality and character That
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is based on the bricks that have gone before
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so you end up with a wall that isn't you at all
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And that is what God does. He comes along. He's
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Spirit that is pure, holy and brilliant light
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shining within the realms of us. And He says
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through this honesty and through this understanding,
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you are not that wall that you've built for yourself.
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And I can take that wall down brick by brick
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and replace it with the beauty of what I am.
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It's the Holy Spirit. It's being replaced with
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the Spirit of God. And that's... That's basically
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what job is doing. I mean, you know, little bit
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of a link going back into Joe, but that's what
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he's doing. You know, what he understood before
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was only a small portion. You know, his wall
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was not completed. It was, it was there, but
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it was of no substance that he really understood.
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It was based on what he had, what he'd gained
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over the years at the ease of his life. It just
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seems everything was going so well. But through
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this, he sort of like looking at himself and
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starting to dismantle certain thought process
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and place the other bricks that God has given
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through what he's seeing, this godliness is starting
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to be built. And this is the thing, it never
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goes, nothing changes, nothing new under the
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sun. And this is the whole thing that we're discussing
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with Job. It's so relevant to us now. We're going
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through things that Job is going through. You
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were talking about things that happened in your
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life, my life. And it's going back to that person
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and saying, hey, you're not a product of that
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what happened to you. What you can do is take
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what God has now given to you, that spirit of
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godliness, of holiness, and take that what you
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experienced, not as it affected you negatively,
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but now in the Holy Spirit, as it has affected
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you so that you can now go and comfort other
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people. And it's turned into a positive. I think
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this is this this is what's happening here with
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Joe this is what happens you know Dean is talking
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about this and other people have spoken I get
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Tracy spoke about the things that he went through
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and again you like he said I'm glad I went through
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that because what he knows now he would never
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have understood if he didn't. So again I was
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in tribulations that you go through everybody
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has to say to themselves not complaining about
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I'm going through this because it will you teaching
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me. What am I learning? That's right. What am
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I learning? I need to take about a two minute
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break if you can give me just a second. I've
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got to go over here and do something really fast
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and then I'm going to come back and talk about
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Tony. So I mean, it's going to be quiet for just
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a minute, but I'll be right back, OK? Yeah, do
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they listen to me? Can I talk? Yeah, you can
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talk all you want. Go for it. OK, I can talk
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all I want. I talk about yourselves. Well, this
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is a turn up for the books, isn't it? I've got
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no one to bounce off of now. No wall to bounce
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off of. Not that Briggs of all, but you know
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what I mean. How are you peeps? How's your week
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been? Mine, as I've said, well, Briggs said,
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I'm now in England. Come over to see my family,
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my friends. Yeah, and it's not very nice weather,
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to be perfectly honest. It is gray. It is dark,
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dank, dismal, drab, dreary. All the Ds. Doing
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a lot of study. I don't know if there are anybody
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listening to this, why Rick's doing his thing.
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We have done a study, we're starting, we've done
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two sessions on Matthew 27, verses 51 to 53,
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that little section in between the rock split
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and the curtain was torn. And it says, you know,
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and the centurion said, for a certain deed, this
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was God's son, the son of God. But there's that
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little bit in Matthew. that he adds that the
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other two don't. So if you get an opportunity,
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if you're listening to this, check it out, because
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it's something that I've never heard before,
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and it makes perfect sense and so much more fits
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into it, into the Bible, into the scriptures
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that we read. So I would recommend it. Yeah,
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it's what happened when the graves opened. I
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think Rick's put it out under that. And I think
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it will go out on YouTube. So yeah, have a little
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look for that. Because we truly want to expand
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and discuss more things that maybe others haven't
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thought of or they've seen it in a certain way.
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But now we're looking at it totally differently.
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And yeah, I think you'll find it really eye opening.
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And I hope that you get a great deal from it.
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I'm sure you will. Now was that two minutes?
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Because I'm going to wrap him over the knuckles
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when he reappears but um ah and uh there you
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go talk about the devil lady always turns up
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bad pennies and all that hello rick hello so
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i can't wait to go back and watch everything
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that you just said thank you guys for letting
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me take that little break i'm singing and dancing
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I hate that I missed that. I hate that. I tell
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you, if you believe that you're more stupid than
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I would give you credit for. Right. Yeah. Well,
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what you were saying there just makes the most
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sense. I mean, it's incredible. I'm loving what's
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going on. Let's get to this comment from Tony.
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Hi, Tony. From England. Good day, y 'all. Good
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day, y 'all. Hey, y 'all. You're right, peeps.
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I really enjoyed this study in last weeks as
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well. It was powerful to see the contrast between
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knowing truth and actually applying it with love.
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Bill Dad's words were true, but they missed the
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heart of what Job was going through, while Job's
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response brought clarity and showed a deeper
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understanding of God. That's right. I also appreciated
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the connections made with the crimson worm and
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how everything we read was something they could
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relate to and understand firsthand. That really
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brings the scriptures to life. This is the start
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of my busy season. So if I don't have time to
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comment, I will still be listening. Hugs from
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the driver family. So here's a hug back to you.
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Exactly. Yep. Yep. And we understand. Yes, we
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understand. You have to speak. You have to say
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words and then do that, Elaine. Oh, I'm so sorry.
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I've got my little pinkies. I'm sort of making
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a little heart shape. It's not a very good heart.
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It's a bit wonky and a bit odd, but you get the
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picture. Like my heart. It's a little wonky.
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Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, wonky is quite good,
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really, isn't it? Wonky can be quite good, you
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know? Yes. Because I mean, it's in wonkiness
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that you realize that you're not right. Yeah.
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Yes, exactly. All right, guys, listen, here's
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the thing. All right. This study is actually
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not going to be very long today. And the reason
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why is because we've waffled on again. Well,
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it's not that it actually has more to do with
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what's being done in twenty seven. And then why
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I don't want to go into 28. I want 28 to be an
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episode all unto its own. It's very unique. This
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discourse. I've got a lot on my Bible. A lot
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on my Bible written down there. Look. In chapter
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28? Yeah. Yeah, see, so chapter 28, we couldn't
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even begin to do it justice today. I want to
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get into 27 and there's something unique. This
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is why I've split it up the way that I have.
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In chapter 27, Job is gonna start talking using
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that ancient wisdom understanding and it's gonna
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sound a lot like what his friends have just been
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saying to him and that's the thing that if you
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go into Job chapter 24 you remember we dealt
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with 24 and we talked about how he defined what
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wickedness was and when you get into chapter
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27 he starts saying almost it sounds almost like
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the same things that Elip has so much so Yeah,
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but that was just knowledge, what Elifaz said.
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It was, but you just nailed it. You nailed it.
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That's exactly what it was. Knowledge versus
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wisdom, but also what it's like to say it when
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you're in it. There's a big difference here.
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Outside looking in, saying it, versus inside
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looking out, saying it. Very different perceptions
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here. It's like that when people talk to you
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in a situation that you're in. It's like, yeah,
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don't worry. God is with you. And then when you're
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in it yourself, you hear somebody else saying
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to you, say, well, I know all those things already.
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Give me something different. Yes. You know, compassion,
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kindness. empathy, give me a hug, give me a cuddle,
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just sit there quietly. That's it. You know,
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I know the scriptures already. Right. So before
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I get Elaine to read this chapter 27, I'm going
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to give you kind of like the framework. This
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is the framework that I'm seeing. OK, I can't
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say everybody else's, but this is what I'm seeing.
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And I think it's very critical to this because
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scholars have argued from like chapter three
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or chapter 27, verse 13 on. They think that it's
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the friends speaking again and it's not. those
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scholars missed the boat on this one. And Job
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chapter 24, when Job is speaking, is what we
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see. It's what we can perceive. He's saying the
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wicked dance in the streets to the, you know,
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and they go to the death with all of these riches
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and they still have their posterity. That's what
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we see and observe. So Job breaks - That's the
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flesh again, isn't it? He's looking at it through
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material eyes, through fleshy eyes. Flesh, physical,
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life. this kind of life, physical life, this
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is what we see and observe. After chapter 27,
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it's what is true, what is actual, the reality
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of the spirit. Well, it actually ties in, doesn't
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it, with what we were talking about on Tuesday
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about when Christ said, I am the way, the truth.
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We were saying the truth is that which is unveiled.
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There's no concealment anymore. It's open. It's
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there to see when all is stripped away and you're
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left with the reality and the only reality is
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Christ Amen, and that's right and here is so
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okay. I Want to put it Guys, I'm like a five
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-year -old sometimes. I need I need somebody
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to talk to me like I'm a five -year -old Absolutely,
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and I'm saying it this way because it's just
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easier. So talk to me like I'm an idiot I say
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that to people. Yeah Yeah, yeah, one of my favorite
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shows the office he's like tell it tell it to
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me like I'm a ten -year -old and the guy explains
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it me and he gets and he goes Okay, never mind.
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Tell it to me like I'm a kindergartener and it
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was like You've only got to go back to Jesus
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you've got to go back to Yeshua's words and you
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think you so well at the end of the day He was
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so plain. He was so just using everyday words.
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He didn't use great big long words at half the
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time You have to look up to sort of find out
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what they mean, right? Yeah, I mean it doesn't
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benefit anyone Not at all. Not at all. That doesn't
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show wisdom either, really, Rick, if you do that.
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Is there a bit of flesh creeping in? That's right.
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That's right. No, you're exactly right. So when
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the friends speak, when the friends are speaking
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to Job, if we kind of zoom out and just look
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at the situation, they say the wicked suffer
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quickly, that the righteous prosper quickly,
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therefore Job's suffering equals Job is wicked.
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See how simple that is? Job suffering. Job is
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wicked. It's observable reality. So, immediate
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cause and effect. That's basically what they're
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saying in their ancient wisdom, which is not
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its knowledge. But Job says, you know what? Wicked
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often prosper now. Wicked are not ultimately
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secure. Righteous people suffer. You cannot judge
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a person's righteousness by current suffering.
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That's what Job is saying, right? Delayed justice.
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and complex reality. That's what we're dealing
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with here. That's what Job is explaining when
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he does this. Yeah, again, it's going back to
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that sort of like going through trials and tribulations
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that God takes you through, leads you to, lets
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happen to you so that you can come out the other
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end. It's all about refinement. It's being refined.
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You don't get, if nothing bad ever happens to
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you or comes your way and you live a life of
22:02
Riley, of no problems, what have you actually
22:06
learned? it's when you go through these things
22:09
that you know it's like he says in hebrews about
22:12
christ that jesus christ through his suffering
22:15
learned obedience suffering brings something
22:19
of benefit and this is the whole thing what job
22:22
is like you're saying you know he's going to
22:24
the heart he's going into the nugget the kernel
22:27
you know the very center and core of what reality
22:31
is and the reality isn't what they're really
22:33
seeing in the flesh the reality is the spirit
22:35
about which he's entering into now Yeah, absolutely.
22:38
And that's that's the critical part that I hope
22:40
everybody gets when you're going through job
22:42
like Elaine and I are A lot of times it feels
22:46
like we're repeating the same thing over and
22:48
over because that's actually what's going on
22:50
it's just getting deeper and deeper and deeper
22:51
into this idea this oversimplified retribution
22:54
theology versus what. Jobe is observing in reality
22:58
what he's going through reality what he's doing
23:00
because he's a righteous man and loves God and
23:01
what he's what's coming out of him as being in
23:04
the press it sounds like we're saying the same
23:05
thing over and over and that's very true and
23:08
so this can be an arduous study because like
23:10
more of what job saying but. It's not really,
23:14
because all these things happen all throughout
23:16
your life, Rick. And again, taking us from the
23:19
beginning to the end, we're seeing progress right
23:22
from the start to the end. There's a learning
23:25
curve. There's something beautiful that's come
23:26
out of it, something that's blossomed and grown.
23:29
And I think this is the whole thing through us.
23:32
It's the same thing. These people keep ringing
23:35
me. I can't talk right now. Right, yeah, sorry,
23:39
I'll back again, Rick. Forgot what I was saying,
23:41
so as you were, young man. As you were. I'm trying
23:46
to knock the calls off that are coming to me
23:48
from Spain about work. Right, right. So here's
23:51
what's going to go on. We're going to go ahead
23:52
and let you read this, Elaine, chapter 27. Think
23:55
about it like this. Job is holding the tension
23:58
and holding these truths. He's saying the world
23:59
is unjust now, but God is not unjust ultimately.
24:03
And I think that's the point that he's trying
24:04
to make. There there is a distinct difference
24:07
between the way that job is saying this versus
24:09
the friends I wanted to say that now because
24:10
when you hear it Your brain should be like, well,
24:13
isn't that what they just said to you? Well,
24:15
you can't understand it unless you like I said
24:18
24 sets up 25 and 25 26 and 26 27 and 27 then
24:22
we get into 28 where he goes into wisdom And
24:25
by the point then you have this whole storyline
24:28
of how job can say what he says That's why we
24:31
have to go through that. So would you read 27?
24:34
Yeah It said, Job continued his speech, My heart
25:03
will not shame me as long as I live. May my enemy
25:06
meet the doom of the wicked, my foe the fate
25:09
of the unrighteous. For what hope does the godless
25:11
have from his gain when God takes away his life?
25:14
Will God hear his cry when trouble comes upon
25:17
him? Will he take delight in Shaddai and always
25:20
call on God? I am teaching you how God uses his
25:23
power, not hiding what Shaddai is doing. Look,
25:27
you all can see for yourselves. Why are you emptying
25:31
such nonsense? This is God's reward for the wicked
25:35
man. The heritage oppressors receive from Shaddai.
25:39
If his sons become many, they go to the sword,
25:42
and his children never have enough to eat. Those
25:45
of his who remain are buried by plague, and their
25:50
widows do not weep. Even if he piles up silver
25:53
-like dust and stores away clothing in mounds
25:55
like clay, he may collect it, but the just will
25:58
wear it. and the upright will divide the silver.
26:01
He builds his house as weak as a spider's web,
26:04
as flimsy as a watchman's shack. He may lie down
26:07
rich, but his wealth yields nothing. When he
26:10
opens his eyes, it isn't there. Terrors overtake
26:14
him like a flood. At night, a whirlwind steals
26:16
him away. The east wind carries him off, and
26:20
he's gone. It sweeps him away, far from his place.
26:23
Yes, it hurls itself at him, sparing nothing.
26:27
He does all he can to flee from its power. People
26:29
clap their hands at him in derision and hiss
26:32
him out of his home. Jobe is getting down to
26:38
the nitty gritty here. All right. And when you
26:42
when it kicks off Chapter 27, it says you said
26:45
speech at the first verse that you said his speech.
26:51
Correct. Let me silent my watch because this
26:54
is going to drive me insane if I don't. Um, but
26:58
job comes right out guys and he says right out
27:01
of the gate. This is the discourse. It says that
27:04
he begins his discourse. I want you to think
27:06
of this as like a closing argument. This has
27:09
been like a courtroom drama. We've said that
27:11
from the very beginning, correct? So this is,
27:14
you think about this as his big closing statement.
27:16
He's already dealt with in chapter 26. He's already
27:19
spoke basically, um, back to build dad, um, and
27:23
the group. and so now here he is he's beginning
27:26
this discourse in my opinion it's like a legal
27:30
declaration it's an oath because he's getting
27:32
ready to make an oath in verse two as god lives
27:36
who has taken away my right and the almighty
27:40
who has made my soul bitter now that sounds mean
27:43
it sounds mean but listen to me think about what
27:46
i shared with you last week okay think about
27:49
what i shared with you about my personal life
27:50
i was five years old and i was abused okay that
27:56
is my reality that's my reality so if i know
28:00
that god is all -knowing and all of this can
28:01
happen to me and that he's totally aware of it
28:04
only now much much later do i realize it was
28:07
for my good which sounds insane for people but
28:09
it's not to me it's perfectly rational insane
28:11
for me but That's what Job is saying, because
28:15
Job is actually accurate here. You might say
28:17
that he's wrong, but he's not. Because God said,
28:19
okay, if you consider my servant Job, go ahead,
28:22
kill his kids, take his house, burn up his oxen
28:25
and all of this stuff. Just don't touch his body.
28:28
Well, that's what God's doing. So Job's like,
28:30
he has made me bitter. He has, because ultimately
28:35
it is God. But he's not being unrighteous in
28:38
saying it. I wasn't being unrighteous in feeling
28:40
it either. No, but I think that he's got the
28:45
two, because he doesn't understand the conversation
28:47
that went on between God and Satan, the devil.
28:50
I think that really he's getting the two mixed
28:53
up. He's seeing them the wrong way round. And
28:57
that's very possible. Exactly, which is ultimately,
29:01
Rick, what happened to you? You saw the experience,
29:03
but now it's twisted because now you see why
29:05
God allowed it. that's right and that's good
29:08
so it's so therefore you think oh wide has got
29:11
a layer but no he's done to me and then when
29:13
it yields what it's yielding you see well actually
29:17
i i'm faulty reasoning there was a faulty reason
29:21
you can have faulty reasoning but you can remain
29:23
righteous because you're honest 100 percent You
29:26
see the difference? You remain righteous and
29:28
upright because you're honest about it. Even
29:30
if it's twisted in your brain because of whatever
29:32
happened, he wasn't given the right to stand
29:34
between God and Satan and see all this. So he's
29:37
in the right by asking and saying the things.
29:39
It's wrong, but he's in the right. And thank
29:42
you for bringing that up. Yeah and I think this
29:44
is what happens to us while we're going through
29:46
something we do not see the right again it's
29:48
like this wonky line isn't it I mean what let
29:51
me just about wonky you know it's only when you
29:53
look back that you see it was wonky and and now
29:56
you can go like Jesus said who sets his hand
29:57
to the plow and looks back you know it's gonna
29:59
be wonky so therefore when you when you're taught
30:02
all these things what you do is you look forward
30:04
and then you take what you've learned so the
30:07
line isn't wonky anymore but you know you've
30:09
learned from the wonky line Yes, and you have,
30:14
and look at what Job's doing here. He says, as
30:18
God lives, he hasn't lost his faith. He knows
30:22
who's in control. It's not atheism. It's not
30:25
atheism. It's basically just faith wrestling
30:28
with perceived injustice. I mean, that's really
30:30
what this is. Faith wrestling with perceived
30:33
injustice, perceived injustice. But he's going
30:36
to start talking about what happens later. He's
30:38
not. This isn't lost on him. He looks at his
30:40
friends here in a little bit and he says it directly
30:42
to him. This is nonsense. He knows what's not
30:46
nonsense. As long as my breath is in me and the
30:51
spirit of God is in my nostrils. Who did he acknowledge
30:54
again? The spirit of God is why I'm alive, as
30:57
long as there is God's breath in me, as long
30:59
as the spirit is within me. And this is it. This
31:02
is, this is, it's like, again, going back to
31:04
any experience that you've had, it's only, only
31:07
perceived by the condition of your spirit. It's
31:11
only perceived by the experiences that you could,
31:13
that you've had, that you've built on to perceive
31:15
that what you're going through now. And that's
31:18
the whole point. You know, this is a perceived
31:21
understanding of the situation because he doesn't
31:24
know the whole situation. He hasn't got an idea
31:26
of the whole picture that's going on. So therefore,
31:28
there's a perception of it by that which he sees.
31:32
But in reality, which is the spirit, it's not
31:35
that at all. And that's why we need to remember
31:38
as believers in Jesus Christ in our operation
31:41
today, when we walk around, when you look at
31:44
somebody, you don't know the story. but you a
31:48
lot of times we do we'll judge them we will look
31:51
at them and say oh that guy's a vagrant or that
31:54
person is most he's obviously a drug addict or
31:57
that person is he looks a little sketchy like
32:01
he might steal from me i better lock my door
32:03
like we do that all the time like we make these
32:05
prejudgments but even jesus even to pull said
32:07
isn't it that you know a bit of a scruffy urging
32:11
comes in and you put him up the back of the congregation
32:14
synagogue. And yet, you know, the one with the
32:16
refineries, well, come down the front. Again,
32:19
you've divided it by what you see, what you perceive.
32:22
Yes. And Jesus makes it clear. You know, he says,
32:26
that's what the Pharisees want is to be at the
32:28
front of the table and to have all of this good
32:29
stuff. The scribes are like that. Yet we know
32:32
that they're devouring widow's houses. And so.
32:34
You're giving them the place of honor no come
32:37
in and be debased and then be brought up to the
32:39
to that point but my point is is that with this
32:41
just like job is saying like when we look at
32:43
somebody let's just remember that you don't know
32:46
the whole story. And that you need to have compassion
32:48
and that you can have communication. Now, I'm
32:50
not saying that you need to put yourself in danger
32:51
all the time. No, that's not what I mean. If
32:53
you see a dangerous situation, use your brain.
32:55
Get out of there. But also there are moments
32:57
whenever the spirit will will lead you and guide
33:00
you into these things. I've been around people
33:02
and suddenly like I remember picking up a hitchhiker
33:04
who was stoned out of his mind. And I was like,
33:08
I remember talking to the Lord like, this is
33:09
not good. This is not scary. I shared the gospel
33:11
with him and then he got out of the car and left.
33:13
Who knows? And that's the thing, isn't it? You
33:16
know, we don't know. You know, people say, you
33:19
know, if you see someone begging and you give
33:21
them something, I've had Christian say to me,
33:23
yeah, but you don't know they might be better.
33:25
And I said, look, at the end of the day, it's
33:27
not about my understanding of what I think that
33:29
they're doing, because I don't know. But I tell
33:32
you, it's about what I'm doing. It's about my
33:34
character. It's about my thought process. They
33:36
can do with it what they like. They can go around
33:38
the corner and laugh about it. But I was I gave
33:40
that in good faith. I gave that in love. I gave
33:43
that in belief that it would be so therefore
33:45
God knows my heart. He deals with them. And I
33:48
think this is it. This is this perceived. I'm
33:50
not going to get I'm going to do that for you.
33:52
I'm not going to. No, I don't really want you
33:53
as my friend. I'm not. Again, it's it's an illusion,
33:56
Rick. Yes. Not real. That's right. It's not.
34:00
And that's and that's exactly what Job is really
34:02
pointing out to them. They're the way that they're
34:05
interacting with him is those people like they're
34:07
looking at him and be like, obviously, You're
34:09
a sinful nasty man. You know, I mean that's just
34:11
how they're doing he's like wrong So job says
34:14
as long as my breath is in me and the spirit
34:15
of God is in my nostrils My lips will not speak
34:19
falsehood and my tongue will not utter deceit
34:21
So he's telling his friends like you're saying
34:23
all this stuff. You know what? Here's what I
34:25
could do. I could say yeah, you're right But
34:27
I'm not going to because you're not and so I'm
34:29
gonna stand in this truth Even if it doesn't
34:32
help me because think about it if you're in a
34:34
desperate situation Sometimes you'll say to somebody
34:36
exactly what they need to hear so that you can
34:39
get what you need We do that. Have you ever done
34:41
that like I've been in I've been in situations
34:43
like that were okay Well, if I'm gonna get something
34:46
from them I need to at least moderately agree
34:49
with whatever it is that they're saying and we'll
34:50
just go along with it Boy, that's a that's a
34:53
form of manipulation and that's what they say.
34:56
Go ahead No, no, I was just thinking again, it's
34:59
where you are in that situation, isn't it? Like
35:02
we said about what Job is perceiving. You know,
35:05
at that particular point, it's a bit of a dichotomy
35:07
really, because he's saying that my lips won't
35:09
utter unrighteousness. And then he speaks about
35:11
God who deals so bitterly with me. But he's only
35:14
looking at it from the perception that he has
35:16
at that particular time period. He doesn't know
35:18
that God has allowed this to happen. So it's
35:21
a bit of a... You know, God that deals with me
35:24
so bitterly, God that's denying me justice, I
35:27
won't speak any unrighteousness. You think, hmm,
35:29
actually, I don't know about that. You know,
35:33
you just said that you're not going to ask for
35:36
unrighteousness and no deceit, but really, in
35:38
a roundabout way, you have. because you've said
35:41
that God deals so bitterly with me. So, and he's
35:43
not even aware of the situation that's happening,
35:45
the courtroom situation of where this accuser
35:48
is coming before God. It's where he is at this
35:52
moment in time. So therefore, you know, at the
35:55
end of it, would he say that, well, actually,
35:57
I did impute wrong motives to God? Yeah, look,
36:03
absolutely. But what I really want to hone in
36:06
on here, though, Elaine, this is something that
36:08
I think is so critical as human beings. Job went
36:11
through something. I want you to imagine every
36:14
day might be thinking about that. His second
36:16
son that was born to him or his fourth daughter
36:19
or his third daughter, I mean, or whatever. Like
36:21
when he imagined that or whenever he got his
36:24
first sheep. And then he got his second one and
36:26
they first had their yearlings and then they
36:28
sort of growing. I remember his oxen when he
36:29
first got started and he started getting bit
36:31
whatever like he's got this whole narrative of
36:34
life that he's lived and God has blessed him.
36:36
And now it is gone. His bitterness and feelings
36:40
are validated. These are validated feelings for
36:43
him. But the ultimate truth hasn't come to him
36:49
yet, but he writes, right. I'm with you. So he's
36:52
talking about something that is in the middle
36:55
of the story that hasn't been revealed yet. It's
36:57
still in the field. Very good. But it's living
37:01
in the tension. It's living in the tension. Exactly.
37:05
Therefore, we have to be honest to the text,
37:07
because at the moment, we know where he is, but
37:10
we've got to look at it through the eyes of Job,
37:12
even though we're discussing the veil being lifted
37:17
slightly, and also the scales falling from his
37:20
fleshy eyes into seeing God more spiritually.
37:23
Yes, and it's easier for us to do it. As Christians,
37:26
we can do it because we know the whole story.
37:29
We know the whole story now and we can, we can
37:31
apply all of those truths to our, but he couldn't.
37:35
Right. But the thing is though, Rick, we can
37:37
still apply that to our life today because I've
37:39
had people say, like we've said before, why am
37:41
I going through this? Why does God, so basically
37:44
again, we can still be living out this story,
37:47
not knowing the end result because we haven't
37:48
reached it yet. Right. Did you see what I'm saying?
37:51
So we're trying to sort of by looking at what
37:54
Job's seeing as he's sort of having things revealed
37:57
as he's going through this setup. We have got
38:01
the beauty of seeing the end result. So by going
38:04
through this, although we're seeing what Job
38:06
is experiencing in that moment, we still have
38:08
the understanding of the outcome. So it's good
38:11
to see Amit Job where he is because we need sometimes
38:14
to meet ourselves where we are, but we know the
38:16
end result to Job. So therefore we can then say
38:19
to ourselves, although this is where I am in
38:22
this story right now, and I don't understand
38:24
exactly, but I know as in the story of Job, he
38:27
got it in the end. and i think this is where
38:29
we have to say these things to ourselves you
38:32
know i'm i'm where i am in this this position
38:35
now i am where i am why is it happening to me
38:38
but because we're discussing joe and we know
38:40
the end result i think this is giving great encouragement
38:43
and again like he's encouraged me so much i mean
38:46
there's been people that spoken to me and i've
38:49
just said you know There's the light always at
38:51
the end of the tunnel. It's only a shadow of
38:54
death that you walk through. It's only a valley,
38:56
a moment in time. It's not the reality. Yeah,
38:59
you just said it. Let me capitalize on what you
39:01
just said. You just said a moment in time. Yes.
39:03
And that's the next thing I was getting ready
39:04
to say. So I'm going to segue into this. You're
39:06
ready? It's about time. Yes, it is. What Job's
39:13
going to be saying here a little bit is about
39:15
the ultimate reality, the ultimate truth. What
39:19
the friends are talking about are things based
39:21
in time. Job is living in time, but what's being
39:26
pressed out into him is what ultimate reality
39:28
is that overreaches time. It goes beyond time
39:31
because God is timeless. Exactly. And there's
39:35
the two things. There's the dichotomy. He's looking
39:38
at it through the eyes of a fleshy person, but
39:39
he's now being taken into the eyes of perception
39:42
in the spirit. Yes. And he's not quite getting
39:45
it himself because he's speaking the right things,
39:48
he's uttering those right things, he understands
39:50
those things, but it's gradually starting to
39:53
appear that through this pain and suffering,
39:56
something more deep and profound is beginning
39:59
to rise up in him, something to live. Yeah, this
40:03
is how, what he's learning is how to become a
40:05
high priest. I've already said it. It's the way
40:07
the high priest understands God and how it overreaches.
40:10
all things, the ultimate reality in time. He's
40:13
learning that stuff, stuff that we've been reading
40:15
in the New Testament and the apostles and stuff
40:17
like when Christ comes, we see the ultimate reality
40:20
and the ultimate wisdom and the ultimate everything
40:23
with Christ. And, but for Job, he's learning
40:26
these things. He's becoming a higher priest.
40:28
I think that Job was probably a priest after
40:31
the order of Melchizedek in my opinion. Well,
40:34
I mean, the thing is, at the end of the day,
40:35
we don't know where he came from. Well, we do.
40:38
We know he descended from Abraham, but not from
40:40
the covenant people. I'm just saying I think
40:43
that that was the priesthood at the time that
40:44
he was alive. I think whether he was or not,
40:47
he certainly has a big role because God is using
40:49
him. So the fact that Satan points him out, have
40:51
you seen my servant Job? There's no one like
40:54
him. Wait a minute. There's no one like him.
40:56
Right. So no one like him. That's a big statement
41:00
from God. That's a big statement. And that tells
41:02
you something about Job. Uh -huh. It does. You
41:06
know, I mean, for him to turn around and say
41:08
that, you've got to say, Job is this big fish.
41:12
Yeah. Yeah. Right. All right. So let's get back
41:16
into this and wrap up 27 so we can finish this
41:19
study and we'll get into it. We can't really
41:20
wrap the whole lot up, can we? Yeah, we can.
41:22
No, no, no, no, we can. I've got a way to wrap
41:24
it up. Don't watch this. Excellent. What is far
41:27
be it for me to say that you are right till i
41:29
die will not put away my integrity for me i hold
41:32
fast my righteousness and will not let it go
41:34
my heart does not reproach me for any of my days.
41:38
He's trying to say i'm not guilty of the kind
41:41
of wickedness that you're saying that's what
41:43
he's pointing out okay he's. He's he's not going
41:47
to give them what it is that they think is true
41:49
because it's not true. He's not what they actually
41:52
want in their twisted minds and their twisted
41:54
mind. And then he switches in verse seven, right?
41:56
Then this is where the shift begins and he starts
41:58
talking about the fate of the wicked. I don't
42:01
have to go through all of this for you guys.
42:03
I'm going to highlight a couple of things. If
42:04
you want to hear what the fate of the wicked
42:05
is, everything that Job says here is accurate
42:08
because it's the ultimate reality. He's been
42:09
pressed into this. He knows this. And so he's
42:12
invoking this curse. formula let my enemy be
42:16
as the wicked and let him who rises up against
42:19
me be as the unrighteous for what is the hope
42:22
of the godless when God cuts him off when God
42:24
takes away his life that's the question what's
42:27
the ultimate outcome will God hear his cry when
42:29
distress comes upon him will he take delight
42:32
in the Almighty will he call upon God at all
42:35
times no no he will not I will teach you there's
42:41
the shift He's saying things like the friends
42:44
but not in the same light now. He's pointing
42:46
to them and saying I will teach you Concerning
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the hand of God why now he says I will in mine.
42:52
It says I am Yeah, I am I am I am teaching you
42:58
and what I'm saying now pay attention It's not
43:00
just knowledge. I'm teaching you here. I am teach
43:02
you something greater than knowledge And this
43:05
is what he's this is what maybe he's had this
43:08
all along. It's like if you had a sort of light
43:10
bulb moment, you've known the scripture, you've
43:11
known the scripture, you've known the scripture
43:12
and all of a sudden you go, ding. And you think,
43:15
I knew that, but I didn't know it. Yeah, that's
43:19
right. And this is, I think this is what he's
43:21
starting to realize. And in verse 12, verse 12
43:25
tells you, right? He says, behold, all have you
43:29
all of you have seen it yourselves. Why then
43:32
have you become altogether vain? What do you
43:35
think he's saying right there? What? See the
43:38
difference? This is a massive difference here.
43:41
Their thoughts are vanity. Remember, remember
43:44
the preacher and Ecclesiastes? Everything is
43:46
vanity. That's right. Vanity, right? And vanity
43:50
comes from teaching from your own initiative.
43:53
Good point. It's all about your own initiative.
43:56
And that's what he's saying. You know, why are
43:57
you talking such empty, empty nonsense? You know,
44:00
you really don't grasp the gravity of it. You're
44:02
speaking from men that have an idea of what wisdom
44:08
is, but you don't understand it at all. And again,
44:11
like we said, this is where the walls of Job's
44:14
knowledge of God is expanding, and theirs is
44:18
getting smaller, because once again, it's like
44:21
he's leaving them. Have you ever had that, when
44:23
you've had somebody in your grip, and all of
44:26
a sudden you see a change and you think, I've
44:28
lost them? Yes. Oh, yeah. And you think I can
44:32
start looking at their phone. And that's what
44:34
happens in relationships. And then that's when
44:36
the wickedness starts happening. That's when
44:38
unkindness starts happening. That's when women
44:40
go rip men's clothes up and cut them up. Yes,
44:43
yes. And this is, you know, when men start doing
44:46
other things that they don't like about. Again,
44:50
it's this sort of like, I'm losing you. So I've
44:52
got to be more mean. I've got to come across
44:54
as being sort of like more grander in my thought
44:56
process than you. And it's not about that at
44:58
all. And Job is just leaving. But when you wake
45:00
up to that reality, what they're saying doesn't
45:03
cut the mustard anymore. It doesn't hurt. It
45:06
hasn't got any legs. It hasn't got any spirit
45:08
that hold you down and bind you. You're free.
45:11
Yes. You're free. And that and for me, like this.
45:18
I keep saying every time I read it, it's like
45:19
this is one of the most critical parts of the
45:20
book. Well, it is like there's all these critical
45:22
moments in this book, and this is that moment
45:25
here where he's made it very clear, like, I'm
45:27
not going to tell you a lie to make you feel
45:29
better. I'm not going to implicate myself in
45:33
any wrongdoing because I know that I haven't.
45:37
I'm not going to do that. What I am going to
45:39
explain to you is how things operate in actual
45:41
time. But then I'll also give you what the ultimate
45:43
reality is. So verse 13, from 13 on, this is
45:47
the portion of a wicked man with God and the
45:49
heritage that oppressors received from the Almighty.
45:51
He's telling you the ultimate reality of the
45:53
wickedness. It sounds a lot like, you know, what
45:55
these other men are saying, but it's in an entirely
45:57
different light based on timing. It's like Jesus
46:00
said about the Pharisees, they're having their
46:01
reward in full. That's it. Yeah, that's it. You've
46:04
had your reward in full. Right, so then you keep
46:07
going through Job 27, there's no reason for me
46:10
to read these to you, read them yourself, go
46:12
to 27 verse 13 or verse 11 or 12, I mean, and
46:16
then work your way through it. He's giving you
46:19
true reality for wickedness and what in God's
46:25
view, all right, this is from the Almighty. And
46:27
by the time you get to the end of it, you know,
46:31
he's... 1 -6 he's given his oath of integrity,
46:35
7 -23 clarified the view of the wicked. So 24
46:38
and 27 go together, but it's a nugget of wisdom.
46:42
He's not contradicting himself at all, he's just
46:45
bringing it in now. because of this discourse
46:48
where we are, he's given them, he's shown them
46:51
how vain their thinking is, how wrong their thinking
46:53
is, how right he is in what he's dealing with,
46:56
and then we get into chapter 28, and it's gonna...
46:59
I hope we can get through it in one episode,
47:01
but I don't know that we can. It's such a good
47:03
chapter. And I just think that really he's preparing
47:06
in 27 for what's coming in 28. Yeah, it's a build.
47:09
All of this is a build. All the time. It's building
47:12
up. The crescendo is happening. The author is
47:14
brilliant. Thank you, Holy Spirit. But whoever
47:17
it was that sat down and pinned this down, the
47:19
Lord gave him some wisdom and like anybody else
47:21
in his world. Yeah. And poetic wisdom. I mean,
47:24
the depth of poetry. I mean, you know, like I've
47:27
said before, you know, you've got words with,
47:29
I wandered lonely as a cloud or I walked by myself.
47:32
I know. Whenever I'm in glory, when I'm in glory,
47:35
Elaine, I have this desire in my heart. I would
47:41
like to be able to sit down with the Lord and
47:43
say, Show me every little nugget. In what you
47:48
wrote and what you told us like show me at all
47:50
I like I want to know it because I see how you've
47:52
revealed yourself in different ways to different
47:55
people remember Hebrews 1 You know God who at
47:58
sundry times and in dire manner spoke to our
48:01
fathers by the prophets But in these last days
48:03
have spoken to us by his sons. I want to say
48:06
when you spoke to the fathers by the prophets
48:08
Can you show me all of the little nuances in
48:10
the language in the picture that I don't know
48:12
because I want to know you better I want to know
48:13
what you did And that's the thing I was thinking
48:16
about, like that Near Eastern understanding of
48:20
things, you know? And I just thought, yeah, you
48:23
know, when you see Paul and the other apostles
48:27
unveiling, unfolding, revealing all these things,
48:33
even those that had that mindset didn't get it.
48:36
So it just shows you that it's the Holy Spirit
48:39
that brings that mindset to you. So I thought,
48:42
Lord, you don't necessarily Because I know how
48:45
you plant a seed and I know how seed grows and
48:48
I know what a plow does. I know all those things
48:50
already. So therefore all I need is the Spirit
48:53
to when I look at the Old Testament and I look
48:55
at the New Testament, I see that God through
48:58
His Holy Spirit reveals what they didn't get
49:01
anyway. Yes. They didn't get it. They didn't.
49:04
You know what's amazing about this because you
49:07
and I talk about Genesis all the time. Yeah,
49:09
we do. Well, you know, whenever God separates
49:13
the man and the woman from the tree of life.
49:17
He says, now that the man knows both good and
49:20
evil, I can't let him have this other tree. No.
49:26
And the reason why is because of maturity. It's
49:29
because of the way in which they think. I want
49:32
you to imagine a world in which Eliphaz has eternal
49:37
life. I want you to imagine a world where somebody
49:42
like so far remember how hard he was talking
49:46
about his knowledge of good and the knowledge
49:49
of evil that's what they're talking about here.
49:51
The knowledge of good and evil i want you to
49:54
imagine so far having access to the tree of life
49:56
and being able to perpetuate his message to the
50:00
world forever and ever and ever. And I think
50:02
that's the thing. You've got life and you've
50:04
got knowledge of good and evil. But at the end
50:06
of the day, even when you have the knowledge
50:08
of what good and evil is, you still can't do
50:10
it. Not apart from God. You can't do it apart
50:14
from him. Exactly. And this is why constantly
50:17
all the way through the New Testament, the apostles
50:21
are always pushing obedience. Because as children,
50:24
we might experience good and bad, but we don't
50:27
really know the difference between good and bad.
50:29
No and that's why i'd hope that you know whenever
50:32
i said that job it's become how to become a high
50:35
priest is that if you think about that access.
50:38
In the garden okay now you've got good and evil
50:41
in the world that you're dealing with but you
50:43
need a representative something that job has
50:45
been crying out for in this whole book i need
50:47
a representative i need a representative not
50:49
realizing that god was making him the representative
50:52
is what's going on so that he can arbitrate.
50:55
The good and evil because he has a connection
50:57
to god that's how we can get to what the good
51:00
is that's how we can understand what the wicked
51:02
is because i have this connection with god who
51:05
gives me all truth this is what it's about in
51:09
the good and evil world. We have an intermediate
51:11
intermediary who has access to the father and
51:14
given us access to the throne. That's why we
51:16
have it because we have that intermediary there.
51:19
That's what job is becoming. So job is just expressed
51:22
to them in twenty seven what the ultimate reality
51:24
of wickedness is, which means this is something
51:26
that a high priest can know. And now he can actually
51:29
speak the truth and it won't be vain and will
51:31
be connected to God. He's literally learn what
51:34
it means to be an intermediary for others. And
51:37
by the way, you've told me, as you said earlier,
51:39
that's exactly what God asked him to do on behalf
51:41
of his friends at the end, right? That's right.
51:45
And again, I mean, going back to Genesis, I mean,
51:49
all the time, like again, like I say, you know,
51:51
if everything is going swimmingly in your life
51:53
and there's nothing that tempts you, you don't
51:56
know who you really are. You know, Adam was made
51:59
very good. He was good. But he wasn't flawless,
52:03
because soon as a temptation was placed in front
52:05
of him, he chose to go his own way. And that's
52:08
the thing, go his own way. And it's Jesus is
52:11
the way. And we know that Jesus is the total
52:13
understanding and the total knowledge of who
52:15
God is, the wisdom of God, you know, personified
52:18
in flesh form. And I think that's the whole thing,
52:21
that Adam lost that state of being. That state
52:25
of being which is what god is bringing us back
52:28
to that state of being that which they had in
52:31
the garden of eden they had it they lost it they
52:35
were plunged into darkness because the state
52:37
of being like christ is to be in brilliant light.
52:40
They lost brilliant light. They plunged into
52:43
darkness. And then you had sort of like we've
52:45
said before, Moses to Adam to Moses. Then you
52:49
have the law given. So therefore you've got more
52:52
light given. Well, actually, you know, you still
52:54
don't get it right. And then you've got, right,
52:57
then you've got the ultimate, you've got Christ
52:59
and he's the real light. And that's why, like
53:01
we say, you've got the darkness, you've got those
53:03
swords flaming every which way they're turning.
53:05
Because he's saying, you can't get it back into
53:07
the garden even unless I let you back in. it's
53:10
a state of being and it's only in me that you
53:12
will have that state of being to be able to enter
53:14
that garden that's why again like I said in in
53:17
when you go back to Revelation you see that there
53:20
there there is no walls there's no temple because
53:23
he is that he's and that's that state that that
53:26
we are wanting to be in that's that state of
53:29
thinking speaking and acting in accordance with
53:32
God and knowing that's only him that understands
53:35
what good and evil is and this is what Job is
53:38
beginning to understand. I mean, does he get
53:40
it all? No, because you can't until the New Testament.
53:43
You can't have it all unveiled. But it's being
53:46
unveiled slowly. The veil is being sort of lifted
53:49
as you go through the scriptures. And what is
53:51
it taking us back to? Well, Eden is the garden
53:55
of delights. I delight in your Word. Who is the
53:58
Word? It's Christ. I delight in the Word. You
54:01
know, he's my delight. That's where I'm coming
54:03
in. If we hold on to this motif, I've been talking
54:07
about how to become a high priest is that the
54:11
lesson for us and what we can do in our world
54:14
is that we are a royal priesthood, which means
54:17
that we have to learn how to operate in a world
54:20
of good and evil, in a world that needs to be
54:24
healed of it. They need to be healed of it. And
54:26
that's what they need. They need to recognize
54:27
there is good and evil first. They need to recognize
54:30
there's light and dark. Yeah, that has to be
54:32
told to them. So we as the city on a hill, the
54:35
light that shines to the world, that brings Christ
54:37
to the world, that when we bring it to them,
54:39
that's why we also have to be very careful not
54:43
to posture from a holy build that position or
54:46
a Zophar position or an Eliphas position. We
54:49
have to understand that as a high priest that
54:51
we're going in understanding that suffering happens.
54:54
outside of a sequence of time necessarily in
54:57
which God has ordered for it. So we have to operate
55:00
like that. Absolutely. And not only that, at
55:03
the end of the day, when you are a Christian,
55:05
when you are like Job, you've got to remember
55:09
that at the end of the day, just because you
55:11
are that, it doesn't mean to say that God blesses
55:15
your life. He's not a genie in a bottle that
55:16
you rub now and again and say, well, actually,
55:17
I want this, you know, take this away. In fact,
55:20
there's probably more suffering if you are true
55:22
to Christ, if you are that light on a hill, you
55:25
know, and he says on a hill, you know, so you
55:28
are on display to people. And I think that's
55:32
the thing, to recognize that you are maybe, I
55:34
mean, when I look at the apostles and the disciples,
55:37
I see that they went through, look at Paul. I
55:40
mean, look at how much suffering that man went
55:41
through. He said, they suffered? Well, I'll tell
55:43
you how much I've suffered. And that's what Christ
55:45
said. Don't worry, Ananias. He will know how
55:48
much he's going to suffer for me. And I think
55:50
that's the thing. And but anyone that goes through
55:53
suffering and recognizes it's God bringing it
55:55
is being refined. And that's the light that you
55:58
can take to other people and say, look, I've
55:59
been there, done that, but I've come out the
56:01
other side and I'm shining brighter than when
56:03
I went into it. It's true. And that's why when
56:06
you read things in the Book of Acts, like whenever
56:08
John and Peter get whipped, they rejoice because
56:13
God counted them worthy for suffering. Can you
56:15
imagine? Guys, it's upside down to the way that
56:18
the world thinks. It is, it is. And so suffering
56:21
is a part of it. Suffering is a part of knowing
56:23
who God is. And then as we as a royal priesthood,
56:27
we learn that not only in our own lives, but
56:29
also through reading in the scriptures and seeing
56:31
the suffering that those men went through. And
56:32
we know this to be true about God. But then we
56:34
can also enter into the suffering of others.
56:37
And like Paul says, get down in there with them.
56:43
Weep with them. He's saying Get into the suffering
56:47
with them absolutely that's how they're going
56:49
to come to know the father that's how it works
56:52
so we might sound like a sad lot but it's not
56:55
there's ultimately. Far, far from sad. Again,
57:00
through the things suffered, Christ learned obedience.
57:03
And it's all about being children, saying, Lord,
57:04
I'm obedient to you. Why? Because you definitely
57:07
know the difference between good and evil. That's
57:08
right. Well, that's a good way to end this one.
57:11
Guys, thanks so much for all of your comments.
57:14
It's OK, Tony, if you watch this and you can't
57:16
comment, we get it. Time's of the essence. Life
57:19
goes on. Life goes on, but we love you anyway.
57:21
All of you guys, uh, anybody who is like Justin
57:24
Nichols, thanks for commenting. We'll read it.
57:26
Yes. I don't care if you're in episode eight,
57:28
I'll read it on episode 25. I don't care. And
57:31
that's part of our community. Can I just say
57:33
that because I don't comment back, I, I'm, I'm
57:36
a thick twit when it comes to something like
57:38
technology. I've lost my, I've lost my, um, that's
57:45
a, that's a, that's a as far as my expletives
57:48
go on occasion. But yeah, I don't know my Apple
57:51
ID, so I can't get in there to comment. But if
57:54
anybody wants to comment, Rick, they can always
57:58
take my email address and I will answer them.
58:03
I will answer them, I'll speak to them, I'll
58:05
have a relationship with them. Would you like
58:07
to give your email address here or no? I don't
58:11
even know it. It's written down somewhere and
58:13
I don't know it to be honest. If you want me
58:15
to give it to people. What do you email me on?
58:21
Directly to you. Let me pull it up. If you're
58:24
okay with it, then I will just tell people. Are
58:29
you ready? Yes. Guys, if you want to email Elaine
58:33
Rae Clark directly, go to elaine .clark56 at
58:40
outlook .com that's e -l -a -i -n -e dot c -l
58:46
-a -r -k five six at outlook .com dot com and
58:51
you can email her directly just put your name
58:53
in the end you know make sure that you understand
58:56
what it refers to that in the subject line put
58:59
your name be sure to introduce yourself so that
59:02
i feel really sort of bad that you know you're
59:05
answering people and i'm just sitting there and
59:07
everything she doesn't really care i actually
59:08
do care very very much. Yeah i think that you're
59:12
just your english your snooty and you're better
59:15
than anybody. I mean going through jokes really
59:18
sort of like bringing me down a peg or two and
59:20
I'm really glad that you've been such an example
59:24
to me. I'm beyond the gutter now. I love it.
59:29
Well, guys, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.
59:31
Thanks for commenting. Thanks for everything,
59:33
guys. We're going to get into Chapter 28 next
59:35
week where we really, really dig in. It's probably
59:37
going to take a couple episodes. We might get
59:39
through one. I don't know. Maybe we'll do a 90
59:40
minute one. I don't know. But let's just we'll
59:43
wait till then. Elaine, thank you so much for
59:45
everything you do. You're so wise. I really appreciate
59:47
it. Well, yeah, too, too. Yeah, twit. When you
59:53
Roald Dahl had a book called The Twits, if you've
59:56
never read it. It's very interesting. You ever
59:58
read it? It's about a stupid family. Yes. All
1:00:04
right, guys. I don't need to read it because,
1:00:06
I mean, I've got a family like that. We're a
1:00:10
couple of twits here, right? Yeah, we're a couple
1:00:13
of twits. A couple of twits. I mean, I quite
1:00:15
like being a twit because people don't expect
1:00:16
much from you. They don't expect much from me
1:00:18
either. That's good stuff. No, and that's really
1:00:20
nice because when you come out with a little
1:00:21
nugget, they think, oh, didn't expect that. Oh,
1:00:24
never thought that was coming. All right, guys.
1:00:25
Well, God bless you. We love you. We'll talk
1:00:27
to you next time. Bye. God bless. Bye, y 'all.
1:00:31
Bye, y 'all. Y 'all come back now, you hear?
1:00:32
Yeah, I'll come back now, you hear? I have to
1:00:36
always look sideways, I don't know why.