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TEEN GIRL "EXCITED" FOR DATE: SADE'S LAST MOMENTS IN UNDERGROUND DUNGEON? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Breaking news.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, teen girl Shahday Robinson tells France she's excited about
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  Speaker 2: a first date with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire,
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  Speaker 2: but did her so called date lure the college co
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  Speaker 2: ed onto a date turned murder? Tonight, inside the underground
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  Speaker 2: torture dungeon in the murder suspect's home, where a hacksaw,
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  Speaker 2: a circle saw, and a power drill are discovered. Is
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  Speaker 2: that where Shade spent her very last moments alive? And
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  Speaker 2: if so, what evidence does it reveal? Good evening, I'm
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 3: Footage from inside the unfinished basement the police have called
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  Speaker 3: a sex dungeon shows it's in disarray. A large hole
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  Speaker 3: has been dug in the concrete floor. A drain in
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  Speaker 3: the floor is stuffed with towels. The drink cover marked
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  Speaker 3: with evidence numbers. A door without a handle leads to
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  Speaker 3: a dark closet, and there are several tables, a chair
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  Speaker 3: and exercise equipment. The mattress of a queen bed frame
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  Speaker 3: is flipped on its side and betting is tossed over
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  Speaker 3: a table in the corner of the.
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  Speaker 2: Room you are seeing footage that we have managed to
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  Speaker 2: obtain of the underground torture chamber as it has been described.
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  Speaker 2: But there is more more than what you're seeing. From
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  Speaker 2: a hack saw to a circular saw, to a power drill,
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  Speaker 2: a grave dug in the backyard, various sex paraphernalia all found,
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  Speaker 2: and this underground bunker belonging to the son of a
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  Speaker 2: Milwaukee millionaire. We also learned that he was in fact
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  Speaker 2: digging another underground layer. What if anything will this reveal?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we are learning at this hour and how that
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  Speaker 2: translates to probative evidence, evidence that proves something at trial.
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  Speaker 2: But before I go into evidence, I want to welcome
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  Speaker 2: a very special guest joining us. We have heard from
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  Speaker 2: Shade's mother. She has joined us several times. Joining us
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  Speaker 2: now is Shahda's father, mister Carlos Robinson. Mister Robinson, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. Mister Robinson, When did you
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  Speaker 2: learn that Shahday had been killed?
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  Speaker 4: For sure?
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  Speaker 5: When the DNA came back as a match to mine.
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  Speaker 5: When she was missing, I was hopefully she was still here.
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  Speaker 2: Up until that point, did you you believe that she
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  Speaker 2: was just missing, that she would be found.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that that's what I was praying for her, she
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  Speaker 5: would be found, that that the body parts wasn't hers, and.
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  Speaker 4: That she is going to be found.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me a Shade's father, Carlos Robinson, Mister Robinson, there
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  Speaker 2: was a moment where a volunteer, not police, but a
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  Speaker 2: volunteer discovered, as it's being called, a pet tribute blanket.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people have them. We have one of
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  Speaker 2: a little pet off shah Dazz and it was found
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  Speaker 2: wet and dirty and filthy in a park area, a
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  Speaker 2: part for children area, and nearby were human body parts.
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  Speaker 2: When you heard her blanket, her little pet tribute blanket
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  Speaker 2: had been found. What we it through your mind?
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  Speaker 4: This, all of this is incomprehensible.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I don't understand how the community and I
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  Speaker 5: appreciate everything that they're doing. How they can find a
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  Speaker 5: blanket that was already searched by an area that was
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  Speaker 5: already searched by the the authorities.
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  Speaker 2: Was it, mister Robinson, Had that area been thoroughly searched
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  Speaker 2: by authorities, because it's my understanding, volunteers found body parts
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked to the.
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  Speaker 6: To the police after they the blanket was found, and
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  Speaker 6: I asked them why they didn't find it, because they
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  Speaker 6: told me they searched that area previously.
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  Speaker 4: Uhuh, So I don't know how they searched it and
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  Speaker 4: didn't see that.
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  Speaker 5: H Uh.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's limited resources or what.
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  Speaker 5: Uh Huh, it's it's it's it's I don't feel like
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  Speaker 5: it's a lot of uhh.
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  Speaker 4: Uhh uh real.
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  Speaker 5: Effort being put trying to find her. I've been here,
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  Speaker 5: uh since eleven o'clock last night. I haven't been to sleep.
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  Speaker 5: I've been to the parts, I've been all over uh
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  Speaker 5: the flashlights, a binoculars, and I just don't feel like
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  Speaker 5: I can sleep.
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  Speaker 4: I just need to I just want to find her,
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  Speaker 4: you know, But I don't.
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  Speaker 5: I don't feel like it's a it's a let's say, uh,
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  Speaker 5: the effort that this should be a I don't feel
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  Speaker 5: like they're doing the effort that they need to do
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  Speaker 5: to find her, using the resources whatever they have to do,
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  Speaker 5: H to find my baby girl.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, what are you looking for?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 5: I keep uh, there's only two body parts left we
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  Speaker 5: have found, and I just want to put her the
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  Speaker 5: rest properly. I keep having dreams about it. So uh,
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  Speaker 5: I just want her to at least rest in peace.
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  Speaker 5: Oh huh, and uh I can't. I can't do that
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  Speaker 5: until I have her together. H They won't even let
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  Speaker 5: me see the body parts they have because it said
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  Speaker 5: it's evidence.
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  Speaker 4: So uhh.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just trying to do what I can do to
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  Speaker 5: finally hope that she leads me to her.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, just thank you so much for speaking with
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  Speaker 2: us today, because I know your heart is breaking and
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  Speaker 2: you have been looking through the night out with a
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  Speaker 2: flashlight trying to find your daughter her body parts. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the closest person in the world to me ever,
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  Speaker 2: was my dad Mac.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about Shade in life.
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  Speaker 4: My baby girl was an amazing person. She was She
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  Speaker 4: was full of love. She was a giver.
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  Speaker 5: She would give it a shirt off for me. She
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  Speaker 5: had a very good heart. She was intelligent. She was
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  Speaker 5: a good person.
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  Speaker 4: To be wrong, m hm.
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  Speaker 5: She had so much potential. We talked a lot about
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  Speaker 5: our future and what she wanted to do with her direction.
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  Speaker 4: She wanted to do, but I told her the.
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  Speaker 5: World as her western she makes that decision to let
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  Speaker 5: nobody make before.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, what did she want to be When she
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  Speaker 2: got out of college, what did she want to do?
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  Speaker 4: Her goal was to be a lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: Ultimately, oh, she was graduating from criminal justice a.
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  Speaker 4: But she was.
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  Speaker 5: She was torn between military and being a lawyer. But
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  Speaker 5: she always wanted to be a lawyer, so I think
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  Speaker 5: she was more leaning towards that than military.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Robinson. My brother and my sister and I were
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  Speaker 2: first generation college graduates, and I think that was one
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  Speaker 2: of the proudest moments of my father's life when we
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  Speaker 2: graduated from college. How proud of this girl, this beautiful girl,
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  Speaker 2: shah Day, How proud of her? Were you going to college?
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  Speaker 2: Paying her way? Working?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this girl did it all she did.
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  Speaker 4: She was a very independent minded person. She would call
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  Speaker 4: me h.
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  Speaker 5: And and tell me, you know that I'm doing this
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  Speaker 5: or I'm doing that. She had and that was just
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  Speaker 5: what she was doing was just the tip of her potential.
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  Speaker 4: She could be anything. She lost. She could have been
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  Speaker 4: the president. She really had that potential.
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  Speaker 2: Would she tell you on the phone that she loved you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we always love each other. She always lived. She
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  Speaker 4: can call them.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, you stated that two body parts have not
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  Speaker 2: been found. What part of shah Day has not been found.
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  Speaker 4: Her head.
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  Speaker 7: And one of her arms.
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  Speaker 2: Sir, when you learned that she was quote excited about
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  Speaker 2: her date with this Milwaukee millionaire son, what goes through
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  Speaker 2: your mind?
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  Speaker 5: None of it makes sense to me. She did not
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  Speaker 5: seem to this guy was not her type at all.
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  Speaker 5: Me and her mom talked about it.
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  Speaker 4: We don't understand it.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how he got her to come to
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  Speaker 5: his house, but that's not something I could see my
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  Speaker 5: daughter doing, especially with somebody she didn't know.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you know, she my.
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  Speaker 5: Daughter was attrice to the people that because when she
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  Speaker 5: first wanted to date, she would tell me that I
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  Speaker 5: found this guy.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, that this guy, I like this guy, and this
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  Speaker 4: guy he reminds me of you. He's very protective of me,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, you know, things like that was her It was.
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  Speaker 5: The quality she looked for and this guy has none
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  Speaker 5: of these qualities. So I just don't that dynamic don't
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  Speaker 5: match up.
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  Speaker 2: Mister Robinson, we are learning about this guy underground torture chamber.
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  Speaker 2: What goes through your mind when you hear about that?
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  Speaker 2: I think my father would just lay down on the
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  Speaker 2: ground and cry.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 5: The one of the questions I asked in the beginning
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  Speaker 5: to the officers, was.
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  Speaker 4: Was the was this and this happened post mortar or
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  Speaker 4: did she so?
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  Speaker 5: Mhm?
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  Speaker 4: They told me she uh uh they were postmoder m hmm.
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  Speaker 5: But still be uh the dude, it takes a different
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  Speaker 5: kind of evil to do.
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  Speaker 4: Something like this.
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  Speaker 8: Hm.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray.
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  Speaker 2: Sunday Robinson, a teen girl thrilled about a first date
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  Speaker 2: with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire, murdered and dismembered,
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  Speaker 2: not sure in what order. Her dad is out alone
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  Speaker 2: with a flashlight looking for shah Dat's head and arm.
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  Speaker 2: Where are the police? Where are the cadaver dogs? Why
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  Speaker 2: is mister Robinson out with a flashlight trying to find
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  Speaker 2: his daughter's remains, saying that his brother, sister, and nephew
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  Speaker 2: are going to join him. Can you even imagine your
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  Speaker 2: father out with a flashlight looking for your remains? What
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  Speaker 2: this family has been through this as we are learning
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  Speaker 2: about an underground torture chamber, including a hack.
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  Speaker 1: Saw a circle, saw a power drill.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me. Bria Jones, investigative reporter of Fox six News Milwaukee, Bria,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us the video we obtained
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  Speaker 2: of the basement. As some people would call it, but
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  Speaker 2: it was set up to be a sex and torture chamber.
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  Speaker 2: There's really no question about that.
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  Speaker 9: What do you know, Bria, Well, Nancy, this is my
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  Speaker 9: first time seeing that video. I can tell you that
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  Speaker 9: we have spoken with someone who knows Maxwell Anderson, saying
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  Speaker 9: that they were friends. They told us that they actually
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  Speaker 9: have been to that home. They described the home to
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  Speaker 9: us as messy. That woman that we spoke with and
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  Speaker 9: said that she's been over there several times, that Maxwell
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  Speaker 9: Anderson was a friend. Right now, there's just a lot
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  Speaker 9: of contention surrounding that at home. The first two weeks
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  Speaker 9: after Shotty disappeared and then was found dismembered, people constantly
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  Speaker 9: were going to the home every single day. We saw
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  Speaker 9: Milwaukee police officers actually outside of their home because people were,
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  Speaker 9: of course curious, trying to go behind the home, taking pictures,
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  Speaker 9: taking video. They're also furious that they believe that family
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  Speaker 9: members are actually allowed to go in the side of
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  Speaker 9: the home to clean and clear things out. But again,
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  Speaker 9: the Sheriff's office addressing all those issues. On Friday, they
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  Speaker 9: said on the statement saying that they are not stopping
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  Speaker 9: their search. They are continuing the surch They also said
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  Speaker 9: that if the home is sold, that will not impact
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  Speaker 9: their investigation. They also said that no one has been
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  Speaker 9: allowed to inappropriately enter the home since it became PSI.
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  Speaker 2: What more do we know about the so called sex
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  Speaker 2: and tortured dungeon? Was this where teen girl Shay Day
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  Speaker 2: spent her last moments alive? Listen?
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  Speaker 10: Maxwell Anderson had a sex dungeon in the basement of
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  Speaker 10: his West Milwaukee home. According to a law enforcement source.
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  Speaker 10: Cops found a sex sling restraints in handcuffs. A close
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  Speaker 10: friend of Anderson said that on a visit to Anderson's
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  Speaker 10: home last year, he noticed a large hole in the
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  Speaker 10: ground that was about five feet long bay six foot deep.
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  Speaker 10: Anderson said he was working on an underground basement, despite
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  Speaker 10: having a large basement in the home already. Neighbor see
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  Speaker 10: the basement in the home had small windows that were
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  Speaker 10: always covered so you could not see inside.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel. But first to Scott Johnson,
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  Speaker 2: forensic psychologist, author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders Forensic
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  Speaker 2: Considerations and Strategies, Scott, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What grown man continues to build underground layers? He's got
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  Speaker 2: one basement full of sex, slings, restraints, handcuffs, circular saws,
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  Speaker 2: hack saws, power drills, He's got a grave dug in
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  Speaker 2: the backyard, yet he's building another underground layer. What is that? Right?
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  Speaker 11: He sounds like a sexual sayist. So he's progressing, He's
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  Speaker 11: finding new space to torture, dismember people. I mean that
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  Speaker 11: would be the working theory is that he's simply banding
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  Speaker 11: on his perversion to torture her, rape and kill people.
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  Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, you're a high profile trial lawyer, TV analyst,
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  Speaker 2: partner and varner fattest, elite legal Eric. That's not gonna
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  Speaker 2: look good on an overhead projector in front of a jury.
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  Speaker 2: Think about it a dark courtroom. The prosecutor turns on
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  Speaker 2: that video I just played, and we find all about
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  Speaker 2: sex things, restraints, handcuffs, circular saws, hack saws, power drills,
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  Speaker 2: a grave in the backyard, unknown mystery, blood around and
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  Speaker 2: throughout the defendant's home, and his zeal to dig yet
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  Speaker 2: another underground layer. What do you do with that? Fattest?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, I mean I'm a seasoned criminal law attorney,
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  Speaker 7: former family prosecutor, and I shudder when I'm hearing you
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  Speaker 7: describe these things shutter to myself as to the depravity
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  Speaker 7: that appears to be going on in Maxwell Anderson's basement.
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  Speaker 7: And so you know, when the jury hears about these
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  Speaker 7: inflammatory discoveries that we're hearing about week after week, it's
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  Speaker 7: just the cases building. I think the walls are really
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  Speaker 7: coming in for Maxwell Anderson. And from a legal standpoint,
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  Speaker 7: it's looking very.
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  Speaker 2: Bad, very fattus. Are you familiar with the program The Office?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember when Michael always says what she said?
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  Speaker 2: Remember that that's what you just did.
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  Speaker 1: If I just said how horrible.
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  Speaker 2: This is going to be in front of a jury.
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  Speaker 2: You're the defense lawyer? What do you do with it?
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  Speaker 2: Try to get it thrown out? Argue there's no foundation
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  Speaker 2: for the video? What what can you argue? Yes, he's
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  Speaker 2: a perverted sex sadist, which means you like to inflict
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  Speaker 2: pain on other people, but not a killer. He's just
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  Speaker 2: your average run of the meal, friendly neighborhood sex sadist.
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  Speaker 2: Is that where you're going?
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  Speaker 7: You know, from a cruel defense perspective, if this is,
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  Speaker 7: certainly it challenge one thing that the government has not
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  Speaker 7: yet established is exactly the cause of death? How shawde
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  Speaker 7: Robinson perished, and so I could just foresee the criminal
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  Speaker 7: defense team spinning up something saying like, hey, there may
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  Speaker 7: have been an accident that took place, but Max Lenison
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  Speaker 7: didn't kill her.
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  Speaker 2: He tried to cover up what happened afterwards.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm just wondering if that's the avenue that the
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  Speaker 7: defense might try to travel on this case.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, you know what satan just
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  Speaker 2: came out of your mouth? Yeah, that's exactly where they're going.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, fattus, Okay, Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Chief medical Examiner, Terence County, Lecturer, Burnett School of Medicine
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  Speaker 2: at Texas Christian University. Doctor Kendall Crowns, you have performed
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  Speaker 2: around ten thousand autopsies. You think maybe more, Doctor Crowns,
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  Speaker 2: How can can you, a medical examiner, look at the cuts,
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  Speaker 2: the severances on her body. We know her father has
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  Speaker 2: just told us that he is still looking for Chahda's
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  Speaker 2: head and one of her arms. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: the man even had the strength to even say that,
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  Speaker 2: But you, doctor Crown's, can you look under a microscope
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  Speaker 2: at the cut wounds on her torso, her neck, her
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  Speaker 2: legs and tell me whether she was dismembered post mortem
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  Speaker 2: or in life.
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  Speaker 8: So the answer to that is yes, you can look
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  Speaker 8: at the wounds themselves. You don't have to look at
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  Speaker 8: a microscopically. Actually, when you look at the wound at autopsy,
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  Speaker 8: if there's hemorrhage or blood in the wound itself, you
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  Speaker 8: know there's a vital reaction to the cut or the stab,
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  Speaker 8: if you will, and you know that the heart was
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  Speaker 8: still beating at that time period. If the cut itself
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  Speaker 8: looks kind of dry and yellow, that's a dismemberment cut
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  Speaker 8: that occurred postmarmally or after death. So really what you're
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  Speaker 8: looking for is hemorrhage and the tissue or blood and
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  Speaker 8: the tissue that shows there was still a beating heart.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel as we delve into
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  Speaker 2: potential probitive evidence that it's now being discovered in a
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  Speaker 2: so called underground torture chamber. Very disturbing to think that
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  Speaker 2: this young girl, Shade Robinson, spent her last moments on
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  Speaker 2: this earth, her last moments alive there in this confused
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  Speaker 2: basement torture chamber full of sex paraphernalia, powersaw hack, saw
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  Speaker 2: power drilled. Was this the last thing she saw? Eric
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  Speaker 2: fattis trial lawyer, former prosecutor. What evidence would you be
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  Speaker 2: searching for right now? I would grab and bag every
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  Speaker 2: single implement I found, the hacksaw, the circle saw, the
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  Speaker 2: power drill you and name it a hammer, everything to
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  Speaker 2: look for microscopic evidence of blood. We know blood is
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  Speaker 2: found in the home. So far it has not matched shade,
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  Speaker 2: which begs the question whose is it? Is there another victim?
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  Speaker 2: But what evidence are we looking for in that torture chamber?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, I think it's fawn on to look at
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  Speaker 7: every single tool, every single instrument that you know, maybe
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  Speaker 7: on its own might be innocumous, but when viewed and
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  Speaker 7: together with the context of the sex dungeon, could be
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  Speaker 7: very incriminating. So yes, seizing all of those tools. And
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  Speaker 7: then also I would ask the neighbors whether they've heard
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  Speaker 7: any sort of drilling or sawing or power tools going on,
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  Speaker 7: because those things are audible.
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  Speaker 4: Those things make.
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  Speaker 7: Noise, and perhaps Maxwell Anderson tried to muffle them. But
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: I'm just wondering what the neighbors have heard over the
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: course of the past months or years that could contribute
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  Speaker 7: to this investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we know Eric fattis that the son of the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: millionaire now suspect number one. And by the way, he's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: got a five million dollar bond. Maxwell Anderson had the
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: upper level windows in the basement all covered up so
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: neighbors couldn't see in there, and I wonder, you know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: if you look at the house, the neighbors are far
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: enough away, I wonder if they could hear anything. When
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you look at this house, it's certainly deceiving. It's neatly
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: kept with the walkway the perfectly clean, pristine walkway. The
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: lawn is perfectly manicured. The home has this front porch
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: on it in the shade with a chair. It's very inviting. Wow,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Scott Johnson, looks can be deceiving, can't they?
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: They shirt down? Then, you know, most sadists are going
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: to have that outer appearance of normal and tranquility and
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: getting along with everybody. And it's what goes on inside,
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: no different than with domestic abuse. You like the people,
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: but what happens behind closed doors another story.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the outside again, because Scott Johnson,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: forensic psychologist and author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Forensic Considerations and strategies, Scott, Look, it's almost ain'tal compulsively clean.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's the neatness is over the top every
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at that tree on the right, it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: prune into a perfect triangle. The lawn is mode in
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: perfect lines. But in his sex dungeon, everything is in disarray.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: See a mind in disarray, which tells me a lot.
• 25:04
  Speaker 11: Right, and obsessive compulsiveness is very common with say this
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: especially however, as he's working out his perversion of what
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: he's trying to do and his fantasies trying to bring
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: them to reality, very little usually goes right. And that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: the discombobulation that as he's trying to get everything right
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: for how many people has he already killed? Right? Not
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: likely the first here, and therefore he's trying to make
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: amends for what didn't go right, so building the second
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: basement and things in disarray because fantasy is just not
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: coming to reality as much as.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: He would like it to be.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: With his obsessive compulsiveness.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Scott, what does a mind in disarray tell me? And
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the dichotomy of the compulsively neat exterior to the massive
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: disarray inside. Gosh, that could be a case study for you.
• 26:03
  Speaker 11: Well, yes and no, because again, the obsessive compulsiveness for
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: the outside is black and white. You mow the lawn,
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: you trim the tree. But the obsessive compulsiveness for the murders, torture, rape, dismemberment,
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: those things just don't come perfect, and so as you're
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: trying to make them perfect, you make a lot of mistakes.
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: Things get disarrayed, and also the mind gets more cluttered
• 26:28
  Speaker 11: and frustrated, which leads to more mistakes and more disarray.
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: But trying to get it right is what the sayist
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: is always trying to do to Doctor.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Kendall Crown's, chief medical Examiner Terrant County and lecturer at TCU.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Doctor crowns can the or hypothetically, could the hack saw,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the circular saw, or the power drill be matched up
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to the cuts, the very deep cuts used to dismember Shada.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Can you match up the tool to tool markings on
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: her body?
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: Actually, usually it's on the bone. The saws will leave
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: specific marks on the bone that can be matched up
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: to the little teeth on the saw. The drill itself
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: could be used and you could look for drill type
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: injuries on the bones as well. They can match to
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: the drill.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Bit crime stores with Nancy Gray.
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: I'm come here today. This is the hardest thing I
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: would ever have the tool in my life to speak
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: Shaddy's voice. Shaddy was a beautiful soul. She was an
• 27:49
  Speaker 12: amazing girl. Nancy, everything spoke is exactly what my Dard exerted.
• 27:54
  Speaker 12: I couldn't have asked for any better. Totter, there was
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: a mon daughter did that. Many adults were not even
• 28:04
  Speaker 12: able so complished in their life, Simes, the son of
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: a some fun daughter from me.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You are hearing Shade's mother speak through her tears about
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: the search for Shade. Her father has told us he
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: is still searching into the night with a flashlight, along
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: with his sister, his brother, his nephew, for this beautiful
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: girl's head. Why are they out there alone searching? Where
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: is law enforcement? Where are the cadets shoulder to shoulder
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: looking for this beautiful co ed's remains. That's just one
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: question I've got. We now know a water search has
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: turned up nothing. Listen.
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: In an update from the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office, deputies
• 28:58
  Speaker 10: reiterated that despite two uns successful water searches for Robinson's remains.
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: The investigation has not slowed down. Investigators are searching for
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: evidence and fueling tips on a daily basis while continuing
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: to look for Robinson's remains. MCSO also cleared up claims
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: that Anderson had been released from custody, stating that Anderson
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: has been behind bars since his arrest on April fourth.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Joining me Bria Jones, investigative reporter Fox News six. Bria again,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. What can you tell
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: me about those water searches and are they ongoing? Will
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: there be another water search? I'm curious, Bria, because we
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: know that some of Shadai's body parts seemingly washed up
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: along shore. And when you don't know a horse, you'll
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: look at his track record. If he threw some of
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Shahda's remains into the water, could that be where her
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: head and arm are as well?
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: That's right, Nancy, I think that's the big question right now.
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: Where is Shadai. Shaddy's birthday is actually May tenth, when
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: her family plans to have her memorial here in Milwaukee.
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: So that's why now her father is here desperately searching
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: for her.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Head and her arm.
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: Every single day. Her family members have been seeming to
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: be leading these searches. Again, as you mentioned, and you
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: said time and time again, we've not really seen much
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: law enforcement continuing their search. However, they say they are searching,
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: But right now it appears that it's the family. It's
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: the nonprofits. They're asking for volunteers, they're acting for waiters,
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: they're acting the public constantly. Force applies because they're going
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: out daily in the searching the water. Again, law enforcement
• 30:31
  Speaker 9: is saying that they are also searching. We saw some
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: evidence of those searches last week. However, it's the family
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: that's on the boosts, on the ground daily doing their searches.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I know they say that they're continuing to search,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: but that is not what I'm hearing from mister Robinson.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: He's out where the flashlight searching, and I know my
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: father would be doing the very same thing. Another technical
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: forensic issue has arisen, the potential that there are more bodies,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that there is more than one victim. Listen.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: In Maxwell Anderson's home, police discovered gas cans in the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: garage and blood in several areas, including on betting and
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: the wall of a stairwell leading to the basement. After
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: initial DNA test. An amended probable cause affidavit reveals that
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: the blood is not a match to Shote Robinson. Authorities
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: have not made any indication of who the blood belongs to,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: possibly another victim or Anderson himself.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kimdall Crown's joining as Chief medical Examiner Terrance County.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: That's Fort Worth. Doctor Kendall Crowns, I had the opportunity
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: to work several spree killings, including the being on the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: scene at the Fulton County Courthouse shooting where multiple victims
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: were killed. Prior to that, I handled multiple victims murders
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: in various locations, including outside. Question to you, doctor Crown's,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: when you process the saying where more than one person
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: has been murdered, that's a whole another trick when you're
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: trying to determine multiple DNA, various blood types, various fingerprints,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: various hair. I'm wondering if there's going to be hair
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: blood fingerprints on those power tools, how do you now
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that we know there's blood from another person in that home,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: how do you go about processing a sane like this.
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: So in this particular case or in that situation that
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: you're describing, you would have to document each item, take
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: swabs of all the items, and then give them each
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: individual numbers, and then start going through the process of
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: identifying the DNA, seeing if there's matches, seeing if there's
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: matches with missing persons. It can be a very lengthy,
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: tedious process because there can be so so many specimens
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: that are available in those scenes such as that.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Bria Jones joining US investigative reporter of Fox six News,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Bria Jones, it's my understanding that the suspect who maintains
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: this innocence that the suspects family has gone into the home.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Is that true?
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, what I can tell you is that that's
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: what Shaddy's family is saying. That some of them have
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: publicly shared videos and pictures of people that have been
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: going in and around the home. The Sheriff's office again
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: saying that people, if they have been allowed to enter
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: the home, that they were not allowed to do so
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: and appropriately. They also doubled down that this would not
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: impact or affect the investigation in any way. But we
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: have seen again trash backs outside of the home after
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: people were seen near it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: And of course if the suspect's family members are going
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: in there, such as his mom or dad. They may
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: know things that we don't know, like that he kept
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: a diary and where it might be. There's just plethora
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: of items that could be of value to this case.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: But of course law enforcement says they've searched it and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: they are allowing people in. I don't know how it
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: strikes you, but it doesn't strike me very well. Scott
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Johnson forhenysic Psychologist. I think I would be looking now
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: also to the suspect's online activity, possibly being a member
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of chat rooms, dating websites, how he portrayed himself. What
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: do you think about that avenue?
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, there's likely searches that he's done online communications he's
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: have and say this and others may communicate with each
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: other just you know, shooting the crap in their mind,
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: but discussing crimes and certainly again communication they've had with
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: family and what does family know? And again it's concerning
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: that the house is not yet secured because as more
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: information may come about, you know, what are we missing
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: from the house and family members involved sadus or psychopath
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: that's a genetic issue. Are other family members involved in this?
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: So that would also be another avenue we'd want to
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: look at and what the hell do they know?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: All I can think about right now is Chadet's father.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: He is out manned with the flashlight, with his brother
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: and his sister and his nephew, looking for his daughter's
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: head and her arm our. Prayers with him. We are
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: stopping now to remember an American hero investigator, Samuel Poloche, Charlotte,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. This upstanding investigator gunned down while serving in
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: a resta warrant Charlotte, a fourteen year veteran of the
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Adult Correction Institutes investigator Poaloch, leaves behind a grieving wife, Clo,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: and two children, Samuel and Gavin. American hero investigator Samuel Poloche.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you to our guests for being with us tonight.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: A special thank you to all of you joining us
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: here seeking justice for Shade. I'man c. Gray Sidiloff. Good
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Night's