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ACCUSED: Alabama Chiropractor Doses Wife With Lead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. They're young, they're handsome and beautiful.
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Speaker 1: The husband's got this fantastic chiropractor business going. The wife
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Speaker 1: has an incredible thing going on professionally as well, beautiful
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Speaker 1: home everything. So how does she end up near death?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious x
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Speaker 1: one eleven. Who are these people? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Dave Matt at Crime online dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Brian Man seems to have it all. He's married to
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Speaker 1: Hannah Petty for five years, and the couple have two children,
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Speaker 1: a boy and a girl, both under four years old. Reportedly,
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Speaker 1: Man takes good care of his family, handling the family expenses,
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Speaker 1: cooking for the household, and looking out for the family's
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Speaker 1: well being. He went so far as to recommend vitamins
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Speaker 1: and supplements to his wife to boost her immune system.
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Speaker 1: The Alabama chiropractor's business is also going well. Reviews on
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Speaker 1: a website for doctor recommendations are all positive, nothing less
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Speaker 1: than five star reviews. You know, I looked online at
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Speaker 1: the chiropracting practice he has and it's very highly rated.
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Speaker 1: It seems to be very popular. What more do we
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Speaker 1: know about the family? Take a listen again to Dave
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Speaker 1: mack Hannah. Petty used a new dietary supplement for about
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Speaker 1: nine months. She began her new meal regiment in the
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Speaker 1: spring and continued through the rest of the year. The
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Speaker 1: vitamins were supposed to boost her immune system, but something
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Speaker 1: was wrong. Petty was experiencing unexplained pain to the point
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Speaker 1: that she ended up in the University of Alabama at
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Speaker 1: Birmingham Hospital getting a diagnosis and treatment. It was nearly
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Speaker 1: two months before the mom of two was released Healthy.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a renowned medical examiner and
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Speaker 1: toxicologist out of Michigan, author of American Narcan and you
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Speaker 1: can find him at Recovery Pathway LLC dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: William Moroney, Doctor Moroni? What is lead poisoning? Lead poisoning
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Speaker 1: can happen because you're exposed to particles powder dust. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: it comes from the soil, sometimes it comes from old
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Speaker 1: water pipes. It's also one of the top ten chemical
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Speaker 1: substances in the world that we try to avoid. It's
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Speaker 1: so toxic at some point that if you're old enough,
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Speaker 1: you remember we used to have leaded gasoline. We had
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Speaker 1: to take the lead out of the gasoline because we
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Speaker 1: didn't want people breathing lead. And the worst possible thing
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Speaker 1: you can get lead poisoning is it goes to your brain.
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Speaker 1: One of the things is it changes your personality. It
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Speaker 1: puts you in chronic pain. And then it goes to
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Speaker 1: your kidneys and your blood and it makes you anemic,
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Speaker 1: and it goes to your stomach and it creates gastro
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Speaker 1: intestinal pain because it goes to the nerves and it damages.
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Speaker 1: It's toxic. It kills brain cells and spinal nerves and
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Speaker 1: peripheral nerves. It leaves you with numbness in your feet
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Speaker 1: and hands. It can leave you with headaches. And are
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Speaker 1: sources of lead in America and in developing parts of
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Speaker 1: the world are in paint. The number one source of
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Speaker 1: lead poisoning in the past was old homes. Because lead
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Speaker 1: is so toxic, they added it to paint. And houses
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Speaker 1: don't deteriorate with lead paint because the lead hills bacteria.
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Speaker 1: You know what I've ever heard about lead poisoning, doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: is about children that will eat paint. You know, children
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Speaker 1: eat everything. I'll never forget in kindergot one little boy
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Speaker 1: ate paste all day long. I mean the thick kind
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Speaker 1: of paste that comes in the big drum. I don't
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Speaker 1: mean like Elmer's glue that you can score it out,
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Speaker 1: he ate it all day long. Children will eat anything,
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Speaker 1: And I remember as a child seeing commercials on TV
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Speaker 1: about the dangers of eating paint with lead in it.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, you gotta hear this. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut see. Hannah Petty was listening to her chiropractor
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Speaker 1: husband when he suggested she take a dietary supplement that
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Speaker 1: would help strengthen her immune system. However, after taking supplements
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Speaker 1: for months, Hannah found herself so sick she ended up
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Speaker 1: at UAB Hospital. So sick she wasn't strong enough to
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Speaker 1: leave the hospital for two months. But eight weeks at
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Speaker 1: UAB and doctors had Hannah ready to get on with life.
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Speaker 1: But the diagnosis of what put her in the hospital
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Speaker 1: to start with was a bombshell. Lead poisoning landed Hannah
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Speaker 1: Petty in the hospital. But how does the twenty three
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Speaker 1: year old mother of two from North Alabama get lead poisoning?
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Speaker 1: And I can't say enough about UAB because when other
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Speaker 1: hospitals turned my father down is a very high risk
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Speaker 1: heart patient. They took him. We airlifted him there and
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Speaker 1: they saved his life. And just thinking about this, doctor
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Speaker 1: William Ronnie, I'm gonna bring in the rest of the
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Speaker 1: panel just a second. But doctor Moroney two months and
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Speaker 1: the hospital two months. Why, Well, the first part was
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Speaker 1: the diagnosis, and the worst thing you can say about
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Speaker 1: lead is there is no safe concentration of lead. But
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Speaker 1: so they kind of have to figure out how much
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Speaker 1: is there and what to do. And the second part
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Speaker 1: would be to see how much organ damage there is,
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Speaker 1: how much brain damage, how much nerve damage, and the
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Speaker 1: kidney damage leads to dysregulation and high blood pressure, and
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Speaker 1: high blood pressure can be very dangerous because the lead
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Speaker 1: damages the kidneys. So there's probo a couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: where they put into how much lead is here, what
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Speaker 1: organs is it? And then uh, it's not real successful.
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Speaker 1: But lead, like mercury and some other heavy elements, we
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Speaker 1: try to keelate it. Outation is a technique where you
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Speaker 1: you give medicine a chemical or a drug that attaches
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Speaker 1: to the lead and it's easier to excrete or metabolize.
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Speaker 1: When you keelate it. It's like going in and attaching
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Speaker 1: something and then pulling it out. Yes, it lead doesn't
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Speaker 1: It doesn't ordinarily come out in your yearn But if
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Speaker 1: you can key lea, what does it do to your brain?
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Speaker 1: What does it do to your brain? Specifically, it destroys
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Speaker 1: the nerve connections between the nerve cells between the brain cells. Hey,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney, held on a moment with me. Now see
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Speaker 1: your reporter with dailymail dot com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlyn, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Do we know if this
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Speaker 1: young woman, Hannah Patty, mother of two man she had
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Speaker 1: in the lottery, awesome husband, great job, good looking, loving father,
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Speaker 1: boy girl, beautiful home. I can guarantee if they did
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Speaker 1: not have lead paint or old pipes or any of
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Speaker 1: the things doctor William Ronny was just talking about in
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Speaker 1: that new home. But did she have long lasting permanent
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Speaker 1: disability from this or do we know that at this point, Aunty,
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Speaker 1: we don't know yet. It's too kind of early calling
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Speaker 1: the poisoning. The alleged poisoning started happening in twenty one,
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Speaker 1: about six months before she was hospitalized. So where that
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Speaker 1: will land her in the long term kind of ever,
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Speaker 1: means to be seen. But as you just mentioned there,
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Speaker 1: she's you know, sixs aful woman that kind of pics
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Speaker 1: her perfect life from the outside. But I'm curious what
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Speaker 1: the medical professionals say about the type of long lacting
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Speaker 1: your damage you can have. Because she is an esthetician,
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Speaker 1: she's a skincare expert, she does facial so I don't
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Speaker 1: know if something like this would impact her ability to
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Speaker 1: do her job. Well. I was thinking more along the lines,
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Speaker 1: I can't she walk and talk and think and use
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Speaker 1: her arms and hands. What do you think about, doctor Moroney,
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Speaker 1: what Caitlin Becker just told you. I mean, how can
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Speaker 1: she have the hand eye coordination to, you know, perform
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Speaker 1: aesthetic procedures on somebody's eyes or I don't know, but
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Speaker 1: how long does it take to figure out if you've
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Speaker 1: got long term damage? Dot Moroni, Well, not only the
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Speaker 1: long term hand eye coordination, but she may not be
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Speaker 1: able to feel the tools of her trade, and she
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Speaker 1: has to be able to feel the in in order
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Speaker 1: to make judgments, you know, whether it's life destruction or microblading,
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Speaker 1: you have to have a sense and somebody with lead
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Speaker 1: poisoning if it's too bad. Instead of sensitive fingertips feeling
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Speaker 1: things and text your differences, it'll be like trying to
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Speaker 1: touch somebody with a baseball bat full of sand. You know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroni, Do you know how much I respect you,
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Speaker 1: I care about you. We have the same thing. I
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Speaker 1: love photos of your family. When you pop up on
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Speaker 1: a text, I smile. But you know what, sometimes I
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Speaker 1: just hate when you start talking because it's always bad. Maroni.
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Speaker 1: It's always bad. It is terrible. But I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to kill the messenger. So guys, I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear more. Take a listen to our friend Dave mac
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Speaker 1: and our cuts set. Hannah Petties die ignosis was lead
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Speaker 1: poisoning and adult's Lead poisoning can cause high blood pressure,
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Speaker 1: joint muscle pain, headaches, difficulties with memory or concentration, and
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Speaker 1: abdominal pain. Many of the symptoms that lead Petty to
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Speaker 1: see a doctor. To begin with, the question is how
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Speaker 1: does an adult woman get lead poisoning. Lead poisoning can
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Speaker 1: be hard to detect, as the symptoms don't usually manifest
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Speaker 1: themselves until dangerous amounts of lead have already accumulated in
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Speaker 1: the body. Higher levels of lead can damage the kidneys
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Speaker 1: and nervous system. Very high lead levels may cause seizures, unconsciousness,
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Speaker 1: and even death doctors realize the only change in Petty's
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Speaker 1: routine was the new dietary supplement given to her by
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Speaker 1: her chiropractor husband. Oh, Crime Stories with Nancy, Grace with
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Speaker 1: Me is. Karen Stark is a prominent psychologist joining us
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Speaker 1: at A Manhattan. You can find her at karenstart dot com.
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Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Do you know how every single day,
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Speaker 1: David Lanch, my husband, chases me with a Vitamin C
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Speaker 1: tablet the kind you chew. And not only that, he
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Speaker 1: also tries to give me Ben a drill. All of
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Speaker 1: the children, both of children, they run when they see him.
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Speaker 1: He said, OTC freak. He thinks, you know, Ben a
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Speaker 1: drill and the X Y Z and this and the
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Speaker 1: suit of fath it's the answer to everything. I think
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Speaker 1: they're all horrible. I won't even take a Vitamin C.
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Speaker 1: What do people are? People obsessed with dietary supplements. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the dietary supplements are very popular now I actually take supplement.
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Speaker 1: I know we've had long conversations about all your supplements
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Speaker 1: on the set of Court TV, but I'm sure you're
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Speaker 1: still at it. You know, did I ever tell you
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Speaker 1: that I prosecuted some cases when I was with the
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Speaker 1: Federal Trade Commission. When I did, and I trust in
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Speaker 1: consumer protection, we're so called supplements, And I said that
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Speaker 1: with air quoties, we're being sold out of a pill
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Speaker 1: factory down in Fort Lauderdale aka Fort Liquordale. Before I
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Speaker 1: could get down there and shut them out, shut them down,
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Speaker 1: they had already shut themselves down and opened up under
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Speaker 1: a new name. Might have started all over. Things to
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Speaker 1: you lose weight. None of it worked. And I thought
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Speaker 1: I was going to lose a case because a nun Sydney,
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Speaker 1: a nun jumped up and said it worked for her
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Speaker 1: and she lost thirty pounds. How am I going to
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Speaker 1: fight with a nun on the stand anyway? That said
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Speaker 1: supplement supplement. I think you can get obsessed with the
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Speaker 1: Karen start. You can definitely get obsessed, Nancy, And you
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Speaker 1: know that doesn't need But the truth is supplements they
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Speaker 1: don't replace having eating well, having a good diet. Do
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Speaker 1: you know what Lucy eats every single day for lunch? Pizza? Pizza.
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Speaker 1: I have to give her a whole plate of veggies
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Speaker 1: when she gets home. Okay, I want to go back
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Speaker 1: to a case in shape it very quickly. Matthew Mangino
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Speaker 1: with me, high profile lawyer, and Robert Crispin, very well
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Speaker 1: known private investigator. But doctor William Moroney, what about supplements?
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Speaker 1: How can a supplement that's the only change at our
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Speaker 1: dietary routine? How can they give you lead poisoning? The
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Speaker 1: only way a supplement can give you lead poisoning is
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Speaker 1: the lead has been added to the supplement. It is
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Speaker 1: very easy. You know you're making my head hurt. How
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Speaker 1: do you add lead to a supplement? You can add
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Speaker 1: it to the coding, and it's not unusual to buy
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Speaker 1: a machine to make pills and have it pressed into it.
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Speaker 1: But more than likely you could spray or roll addust
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Speaker 1: the powder on to the supplement. But if the supplements
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Speaker 1: a capsule, you can open the capsule and add the
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Speaker 1: lead to the powder and then re close the capsule.
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Speaker 1: There's all sorts of ways you can do this. Okay,
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Speaker 1: why are you are you making it so difficult? I
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Speaker 1: hate to even stir the tang. Okay, what's the easiest way?
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Speaker 1: What's the easiest way to add or infuse a supplement.
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Speaker 1: Assume it's a tablet, but you know it could have
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Speaker 1: been something in a drink. But let's pretend tablet. What's
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Speaker 1: the easiest way to infuse it with lead? Easiest way
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Speaker 1: talking regular people talk at moroney, not doctor talk. Okay,
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Speaker 1: The easiest way is to get a big mixing bowl,
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Speaker 1: put lead powder in it, and take the tablets and
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Speaker 1: roll them around in the lead powder, and then put
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Speaker 1: them on a cookie sheet and bake him at two
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Speaker 1: hundred for about ten minutes. Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: joining me, author of the executioner's toll, Matthew Mangino, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: you greet that anybody that did that has definitely exhibited premeditation? Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: clearly if someone is going to go through the process
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Speaker 1: of contaminating the vitamins with the lead and going to
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Speaker 1: the whole process of confusing it. Where do you get
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Speaker 1: lead powder? Does anybody beside you Maroni know where to
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Speaker 1: get would you know where to get lead powder? I've
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Speaker 1: never purchased lead powder. Sit, look it up. Where can
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Speaker 1: I get lead powder? If it's outlawed? And it's so
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Speaker 1: biggling it right now? Nampy and you can get lead
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Speaker 1: powder online? Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, where Caitlin, there's
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Speaker 1: a bunch of different website. This is some golf website
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Speaker 1: powder it company happen it would you possibly want to
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Speaker 1: do with lead powder? Okay, back to Maroni. Remember Maroni
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Speaker 1: speak in regular people talk. I think, man Gina is
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Speaker 1: probably the only one that can understand you. Where would
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Speaker 1: you get lead powder? Well, the first thing I would
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Speaker 1: do is I would go to Amazon and google it,
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Speaker 1: and then I would have it delivered to my house.
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Speaker 1: Do you know who you just reminded me of in
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Speaker 1: a very spooky scary way, Cult mom Lori Valo, who
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Speaker 1: goes on her soon to be dead husband's Amazon and
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Speaker 1: orders her wedding ring and a quote beach b eacch
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Speaker 1: wedding dress and a whole outfit for a would be groom,
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Speaker 1: and lo and behold. Two weeks later, she's on the
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Speaker 1: beach getting married to somebody else because her husband is
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Speaker 1: dead and his wife is dead. It's so funny how
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Speaker 1: those Amazon orders are held in the I cloud. Isn't
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Speaker 1: that true? Robert Crispin Private Eye, Oh, absolutely, your entire
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Speaker 1: world is up in an eye cloud. You know, we
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Speaker 1: have some friends that are so afraid the government is
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Speaker 1: listening to their alexa. I'm like, you know what, fads, Please,
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Speaker 1: I insist you listen to everything that's happening at this house.
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Speaker 1: Your ears will bleed. But everything you order on Amazon
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Speaker 1: can be pulled up. Robert Crispin is PI, former Federal
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Speaker 1: Task Force Officer for dj DA in Miami. Certainly no
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Speaker 1: lack of business there, formerhan aside, crimes against children. It
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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. He's at Chrispin's Special
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Speaker 1: Investigations Amazon. Yet you know what Maroney's wrong. I guarantee
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Speaker 1: you somebody would be such an idiot that ordered on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: So listen. So Amazon is just a small piece of
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Speaker 1: the puzzle because these types of cases, Nancy, are very
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Speaker 1: hard to prove, and they're a long term investigation because
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Speaker 1: a majority of these happen in one of two places.
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Speaker 1: They either happen inside the home or they happen inside
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Speaker 1: the workplace. And normally it's over the course of time
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Speaker 1: before we realize what's going on, kind of like a
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Speaker 1: Munchhausen syndrome case where we put hidden cameras in to
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Speaker 1: catch the mom, you know, poisoning the formula before she
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Speaker 1: gives it to the child in these particular cases, and
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Speaker 1: I would surmise long term, I'm sure that they got
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Speaker 1: the pills we talked about, how do you get the
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Speaker 1: lead in the pills. You can purchase these capsules empty,
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Speaker 1: and you can make your own pills and you can
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Speaker 1: inject or you can fill those pills with whatever substance
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Speaker 1: you want. That's probably what happened here, or like the
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Speaker 1: doctor said, roll them in the powder dust and it
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Speaker 1: could be a number of different ways. Yeah, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of work to go through, but I can tell
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Speaker 1: you this. I just got an urgent message from crime
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Speaker 1: online dot COM's Jackie who wants me to know you
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Speaker 1: can get lead powder at Walmart. Okay, there you go.
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Speaker 1: There you go, Matthew, Me and Gina. I'm circling back
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Speaker 1: to you. But I understand, doctor William Moroney may have
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Speaker 1: a client, a patient coming up very quickly, Doctor Moroni,
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Speaker 1: When do you start noticing your ill if you're getting
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Speaker 1: lead poisoning, Well, if this is correct and she dosed
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Speaker 1: for nine months, you would notice it in the first
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Speaker 1: one or two months. What would be first symptom, Well,
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Speaker 1: it would upset your stomach. But it's hard to absorb,
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Speaker 1: and within two or three months you'd have blood pressure
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Speaker 1: problems and numbness in your hands and feet. And after
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Speaker 1: three or four months you'd have headaches and tremendous pain.
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Speaker 1: Blood pressure high or blood pressure low low. Let's go
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Speaker 1: out of Sorry it goes high, you can't regulate it.
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Speaker 1: You can't filter things out of your blood urine anymore.
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Speaker 1: Your tide doesn't work, your pressure goes up. Look, I
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Speaker 1: know you've got to go deal with your patient. I
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Speaker 1: don't want them to comply since they're dead, Doctor Moroney.
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Speaker 1: Just two quick things. You say she was starting noticing
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Speaker 1: after about two months. Is that what you said? Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: I still don't understand what lad actually does to your organs.
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Speaker 1: And number two, can't she ever be restored to complete health?
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Speaker 1: You will never be restored to complete health because it's
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Speaker 1: so hard to get out. There's no safe level. But
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Speaker 1: we can try the keylation therapy. The hardest heart is
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Speaker 1: mental functioning. She may never get back. And then the
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Speaker 1: damage it does to blood is that you become anemic
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Speaker 1: your body. The poisoning in your bones and your kidneys
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Speaker 1: prevents you from making healthy blood cell and you become
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Speaker 1: anemic guys, we are talking about it. I mean, gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: young twenty four year old mom. I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: picture of her. It looks like maybe Christmas morning, them
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Speaker 1: on Christmas pj's with her boy and girl in front
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Speaker 1: of a fireplace and there's a pot billy stove off
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Speaker 1: to their left our right. It's just a beautiful, happy home.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly how this whole thing happened, but
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut.
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Speaker 1: Two days after she left the hospital, Hannah Petty dropped
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Speaker 1: a bombshell accusation of attempted murder and filed for divorce
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Speaker 1: from her husband, Brian mann. Man is accused of giving
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Speaker 1: his wife Hannah what he said was a dietary supplement
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Speaker 1: for several months that he's wouldn't make her immune system stronger.
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Speaker 1: What the pills were actually doing was poisoning Petty, as
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Speaker 1: they contained particles of lead. Just days after she left
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Speaker 1: the hospital, Petty dropped her bombshell accusation of attempted murder
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Speaker 1: and filed for divorce, detailing the one point three million
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Speaker 1: dollars in life insurance policies that he held against her
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Speaker 1: and another one point five million in two additional insurance
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Speaker 1: applications that were denied. Okay, I was just coming to you,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer, about the two parallel investigations
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Speaker 1: going on here. You've got a divorce proceeding and now
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Speaker 1: you've got a potential criminal percenting. But I've got to
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Speaker 1: get another fat from Caitlin Becker, Senior reporter, dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 1: What did I just hear about two point eight million
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Speaker 1: dollars in lib insurance policy? That seemed to have reased
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Speaker 1: my eyebrows as well when we discovered that apparently he
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Speaker 1: had one point three million dollars in La conterny poalities
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Speaker 1: taken out on her already and that additional number at
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Speaker 1: that one point five were two other insurance applications on
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Speaker 1: her and those were denied. So it seemed that he
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Speaker 1: was trying to take out millions and millions and millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars on her life. Okay, Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer,
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Speaker 1: joining US author a former district attorney. Hit me, well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know, on the surface, this doesn't look good for
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Speaker 1: Brian Man. Okayiment claimant. Okay, you do know lead poison
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Speaker 1: can make you go blind. Was that some sort of
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Speaker 1: a sick pun It doesn't look good. Well, you can
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Speaker 1: say that again, Mangino, it looks bad for him, right,
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Speaker 1: But as in every case, we can't rush to judgment
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Speaker 1: in this situation. You know, there is evidence that obviously
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Speaker 1: she's suffered from lead poisoning. We don't know specifically if
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Speaker 1: they have the pills. We know that this divorce action
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Speaker 1: really started the whole case and the discovery process where
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Speaker 1: they began to ask Brian Mann questions about different aspects
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Speaker 1: of their marriage. And you know this ideas with regard
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Speaker 1: to these supplements that his lawyer then stepped in and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, we got to stop this. I believe I
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Speaker 1: heard Matthew Mangino actually use the words rush to judgment.
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Speaker 1: This is what I know. The woman has lead poisoning.
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Speaker 1: She's just twenty four years old. She's got a little
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Speaker 1: boy and a little girl one is under four that
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Speaker 1: I know, maybe both who could be left without a mother.
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Speaker 1: I also know that he took out life insurance policies
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Speaker 1: on her out the Ying Yang. I'm pretty sure Karen
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Speaker 1: starts like just joined me out of New York a
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Speaker 1: counter proctor. It's not a medical doctor. Are they No,
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Speaker 1: they're not, but they are allowed to manipulate people. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Robert Kristin, let's follow up on what Mangino just said.
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Speaker 1: Oh quick question to Caitlin Becker, senior reporter, dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Did Hannah know her husband was taking out all these
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Speaker 1: insurance policies on her life? It seems that she knew
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Speaker 1: some of it and not all of it. So I
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Speaker 1: feel like when she got out of the hospital, she
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Speaker 1: was sort of learning these things as she was looking
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Speaker 1: into divorcing him, So that one point five million that
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Speaker 1: he attempted to take out and was denied seemed to
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Speaker 1: be a surprise to everyone. Now, Caitlyn Becker, I asked
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Speaker 1: you if she knew, and you said she knew about
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Speaker 1: some of it. That's like the elephant in the room.
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Speaker 1: I may know about the one point three million dollar
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Speaker 1: life insurance policy, but I don't know about the one
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Speaker 1: point five million dollar one he's trying to yet. That
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Speaker 1: didn't the insurance company actually turn him down on one
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Speaker 1: of those two of them. Actually they turned him down
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Speaker 1: in two policies that totaled one point five I mean,
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Speaker 1: having an insurance policy out on you in a marriage,
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Speaker 1: especially when you have children, is not odd. But it's
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Speaker 1: when we start adding these pieces together that it seems
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Speaker 1: to be problematic. And it is what ultimately seems to
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Speaker 1: have led the police to Brian Robert Crispins joining me
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Speaker 1: private investigator at Crispin's Special Investigations. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert, how do we go
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Speaker 1: about proving this case? This is all going to come
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Speaker 1: down to science and blood work and testing. No, no, no no,
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Speaker 1: no no no. I don't mean that Maroney got me
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Speaker 1: covered on that UAB University Alabama has got enough medical
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Speaker 1: reports to show she was lead poisoned out the Yin Yang.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to prove is did he give
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Speaker 1: her the lead poisoning? That's the thing. How can we
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Speaker 1: prove that unless you've got an Amazon trail or a
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Speaker 1: Walmart trail or some trails showing me he bought lead powder.
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Speaker 1: Find out that she's turned over to law enforcements the
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Speaker 1: pills that he was given her, or the alleged vitamins
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Speaker 1: he was given her. And I'm almost positive that the
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Speaker 1: lab has come back and showing traces of lead in
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Speaker 1: those particular capsules they've tied those capsules back to him.
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Speaker 1: Because unless you have a video, and you only have
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Speaker 1: one person's testimony, it's kind of tough, you know that
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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor. So, whether we have a hidden camera
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Speaker 1: that they installed, law enforcement did it warn't put a
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Speaker 1: camera in there with the consent of the mother or
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Speaker 1: the victim, rather, or they have actually seized the pills
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Speaker 1: from him, from his car, from his pocket, from his office,
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Speaker 1: from his bedroom somewhere in that house. Yeah, he had
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Speaker 1: those pills stash somewhere unless he got rid of them
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Speaker 1: while she was in the hospital. Speaking of having him
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Speaker 1: on video, take listen to our cut nine our friend
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Speaker 1: irone Cruise, ABC seven radiologist Jack Chen says he noticed
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Speaker 1: a chemical taste in his drinks. In March, he set
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Speaker 1: up a hidden camera in their kitchen, capturing video evidence
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Speaker 1: of his wife. You you allegedly taking draino from under
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Speaker 1: the sink and pouring it into his lemonade in three
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Speaker 1: separate instances. In July, a doctor diagnosed Chen with two
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Speaker 1: stomachs gastritis and esophagus inflammation. And more from our friend
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Speaker 1: Amy Robot at GMA cut ten. These surveillance images show
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Speaker 1: the moments that California man says he was secretly poisoned
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Speaker 1: by his wife. The images part of a restraining order
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Speaker 1: filing by doctor Jack Chen against his wife of ten years.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Emily u this poisoning a curry over a period
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Speaker 1: of time that caused him in Part two to suspect
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Speaker 1: his wife was poisoning him, and so he placed surreptitious
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Speaker 1: recording devices in the Homey, the forty five year old dermatologist,
27:54
Speaker 1: was placed under arrest and later released on thirty thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars bail. In that case, the alleged perp is a
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Speaker 1: female dermatologist. In the case, we're looking at right now,
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Speaker 1: we have put the husband chiropractor under the microscope. But
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Speaker 1: now it's not just me looking at him. Take listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut three our friends from crime Online. An
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Speaker 1: Alabama grand jury indicted thirty three year old Brian Man.
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Speaker 1: He's now been charged with attempted murder after officials say
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Speaker 1: he intentionally tried to poison his wife. Court documents showed
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Speaker 1: that man is accused of using lead to poison his
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Speaker 1: wife and as she spent nearly two months in the
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Speaker 1: hospital because of it. The couple were undergoing divorce proceedings,
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Speaker 1: but those were halted until the criminal proceedings are complete.
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Speaker 1: Man has since been arrested on the attempted murder charge. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so let me understand this to Caitlin Becker joining me,
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Speaker 1: senior reporter, Dailymail dot Com. He has actually been indicted
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Speaker 1: by a grand jury. Is that correct? He has been arrested,
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Speaker 1: And this situation is very interesting, Nancy, because he was arrested,
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Speaker 1: he was freed on bond, then failed to give his
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Speaker 1: passport and then got arrested again or it got taken
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Speaker 1: back into cutsody because he failed to give it over
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Speaker 1: to outport and now he's out again, all on these
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Speaker 1: charges that he attempted to murder his wife with lead poisoning.
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Speaker 1: So first of all, he is indicted with attempted murder.
29:26
Speaker 1: Kaitlin Baker's exactly correct. Take listen hour cut five watt
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Speaker 1: the hertzel Man, charged with attempted murder after officials say
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Speaker 1: he poisoned his wife is back in the Morgan County jail.
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Speaker 1: Brian Mann was re arrested Thursday for failure to appear
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Speaker 1: court filing show. As part of the former Decatur chiropractor's
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Speaker 1: bond conditions. He has to surrender all firearms and his
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Speaker 1: passport to the Hertzel Police department. On those conditions, record
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Speaker 1: show he turned in the weapons but said he could
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Speaker 1: not find his passport. Man was then instructed to appear
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Speaker 1: before Hartzel police to report the missing passport, but he
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Speaker 1: failed to do so. Time Stories with Nancy Greece Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: private investigator. Please just stop, I lost my passport. Do
30:29
Speaker 1: I have to say the name Caitlyn Armstrong to you?
30:32
Speaker 1: Remember the glamorous yoga instructor who was accused of killing
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend's love interest, Mariah. Remember Moe Wilson, the world
30:43
Speaker 1: class dirt by her. She comes into town, they have
30:46
Speaker 1: an innocent get together, and suddenly Mariah is dead. Kate
30:51
Speaker 1: Lynn Armstrong then changes their appearance, dyes her hair, gets
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Speaker 1: a nose job, so forth and so on, and flees
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Speaker 1: the country. And now we've got this husband jumping up
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Speaker 1: saying I lost my passport? Are you kidding me? Well,
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Speaker 1: the passport is the last ticket to escape once it
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Speaker 1: really starts to come down to crunch time or a
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Speaker 1: plea or a sentencing. This is going to allow him
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Speaker 1: to get out. I can say he's right in Alabama,
31:16
Speaker 1: don't you know, hit hop right on over to Mary
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Speaker 1: Esther or Fort Walton where they have all those flight academies,
31:24
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be would be long gone and have
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Speaker 1: a pocketful of money and bye bye. He'd be in
31:31
Speaker 1: Costa Rica or I don't know where he would be
31:35
Speaker 1: because he would have his passport well to a country
31:37
Speaker 1: that's not going to extradite him back. Oh yeah, you're
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Speaker 1: so right about that. Yeah, I take a listen again,
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Speaker 1: take listen our cut six Crime Online. The dicator Chiropractory,
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Speaker 1: accused of trying to murder his wife by poisoning her
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Speaker 1: with lead particles, has been released from jail. According to
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Speaker 1: court documents, Judge Charles Elliot reluctantly granted the motion for
31:54
Speaker 1: Brian Mann to be freed from custody on a half
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Speaker 1: million dollars bond, but with straight conditions. He said, so
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Speaker 1: much as a speeding ticket would result in a rearrest.
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Speaker 1: Man was released on a half million dollars bond after
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Speaker 1: his initial arrest in September. One condition of that bond
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Speaker 1: was providing his passport preventing him from fleeing. However, after
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Speaker 1: failing to do that, he was placed back in custody.
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Speaker 1: Judge Elliott was adamant that man remaining custody just by
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Speaker 1: numerous attempts and personal letters to have his bond lowered,
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Speaker 1: believing he was a fly risk. The judge now says
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Speaker 1: the cases at a crossroads, and with man in jail,
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Speaker 1: he can't pay child support and alimony, keeping him in
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Speaker 1: custody inadvertently punishing his estranged wife and children. Okay. To
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Speaker 1: Kaitlin back, her senior reporter with dailymail dot Com, Caitlin,
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Speaker 1: as I tell my children and we all know this,
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Speaker 1: if it feels wrong, and it just doesn't feel right,
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Speaker 1: then you're not supposed to do it. Okay. That is
32:49
Speaker 1: according to me, the Holy Spirit in you trying to
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Speaker 1: tell you, scream that you don't do this. It's wrong.
32:57
Speaker 1: Some people call it a conscience. So if the judge
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Speaker 1: was so hell bent saying, if you even get so
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Speaker 1: much as a speeding ticket, your revoke. I've heard judges
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Speaker 1: chew out the defendant, really tear them when he tailhole
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Speaker 1: and then let him go home on and that's what
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Speaker 1: this judge, Charles Elliott did. Please tell me this guy's
33:17
Speaker 1: behind bars. This guy is not behind bars. He is
33:20
Speaker 1: a conditional release right now. His parents swore to the
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Speaker 1: judge that they did an exhaustive search and that the
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Speaker 1: passport is nowhere to be seen, and because Brian owes
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Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars in back child support, the judge, like
33:39
Speaker 1: you you heard, they're reluctantly agreed to release him. The
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Speaker 1: terms are very interesting. He has to go to jail
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Speaker 1: on the weekends. He has to report from Friday to
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Speaker 1: Monday morning. He has to wear a GPS monitor. He
33:51
Speaker 1: has to stay home from six pm to six am,
33:53
Speaker 1: but he's allowed out during the day. He's not allowed
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Speaker 1: to have alcohol or drugs on his person. But I
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Speaker 1: don't personally, I don't know what you think, but I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure how he's going to make up that eight
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I'm not going. I don't care what his
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Speaker 1: reviews are on YELP. I am not going to the
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Speaker 1: chiropractor who has an ANGLE monitor, who's out on bond
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Speaker 1: for its attempted murder. Karen Starring joining us from Manhattan
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Speaker 1: Jumping Karen. You know, in addition to the fact that
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense that they would release him,
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Speaker 1: because I don't understand how he's going to be able
34:23
Speaker 1: to earn a living at this point. Just like we
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Speaker 1: said just before, you know this, he's wearing an angle monitor.
34:31
Speaker 1: Who's going to come to him to use him as
34:34
Speaker 1: a chiropractic. But in addition to that, this guy sounds
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Speaker 1: like a psychopathic. He fear if I he's above the law.
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Speaker 1: That's not unusual. He doesn't have his passport, He has
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Speaker 1: no problem saying, oh, I just can't find it, So
34:48
Speaker 1: helen the work. And they trust somebody like that to
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Speaker 1: be responsible and not skip down forget all that. I
34:56
Speaker 1: agree with you, But Karen start, he's accused of poisoning
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Speaker 1: his wife and her dietary supplements over months and months.
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Speaker 1: How can you trust him to do the right thing?
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Speaker 1: You cannot. And this judge I've seen judges do it
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Speaker 1: a million times. Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you have two. The judge choose to defend an out
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Speaker 1: and then grants leniency, lets him go out on bond,
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Speaker 1: gives the light sentence, as if that defendant gives a
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Speaker 1: flying fig about what this judge is saying. No, why
35:28
Speaker 1: I mean, here's already eight thousand dollars behind on child support,
35:31
Speaker 1: So why do we think suddenly he's going to pay
35:33
Speaker 1: child support. But Nancy, you know, everybody who's charged with
35:37
Speaker 1: a crime other than a capital offense is entitled to bond.
35:41
Speaker 1: So she said, this judge said a five hundred and
35:45
Speaker 1: child to a bond hearing, and he said a bond
35:47
Speaker 1: of five hundred thousand dollars, which you know that bond
35:51
Speaker 1: has been posted. And it's not as though, you know,
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Speaker 1: this guy's necessarily walking free. He has an ankle brafley,
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Speaker 1: he has to spend the weekends in jail. You know,
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Speaker 1: it makes sense number one, that he's accused of a crime,
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Speaker 1: that he has the opportunity to continue to work, and
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Speaker 1: that he can support his children and support his wife. Again,
36:13
Speaker 1: if someone's going to go to a chiropractor with an
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Speaker 1: ankle bracelets accused of trying to murder their wife, I
36:19
Speaker 1: understand all that. But you know, we live in a
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Speaker 1: system where you're accused of a crime, your bow is
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Speaker 1: to ensure you appear in the future, and that's what's
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Speaker 1: been imposed here. Guys, take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: for Margo Gray waff Martal, chiropractor accused of trying to
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Speaker 1: kill his own wife, is out of jail. Court records
36:40
Speaker 1: show thirty three year old Brian Man was released on
36:43
Speaker 1: a half million dollar bond. Man is facing an attempted
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Speaker 1: murder charge. Man's wife claims she was poisoned with lead,
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Speaker 1: resulting in her having to be hospitalized. From January to March.
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Speaker 1: Under a court order, Man has to wear a GPS monitor,
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Speaker 1: stay at home from six pm to six in, and
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Speaker 1: undergo drug screenings. Robert Kristen an ankle monitor? Really, how
37:06
Speaker 1: many times have ankle monitors been bait? And I can
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Speaker 1: tell you why because nobody's monitoring the ankle monitor. That's
37:14
Speaker 1: how people get away. There is there's not enough cops
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Speaker 1: and investigators right now to stop the crime. The violent
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Speaker 1: crime hadn't on the street. Who is standing by watching
37:24
Speaker 1: the ankle monitor blips and beeps on the screen? Be
37:28
Speaker 1: absolutely Nancy. They all go into a system and there's
37:31
Speaker 1: a lurch that come once you breach your gel fence.
37:34
Speaker 1: And the problem with these ankle monitors is I would
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Speaker 1: never tell you how you can get out of it,
37:40
Speaker 1: but I know how these people are getting out of
37:42
Speaker 1: these these ankle monitors, and they leave them within the
37:45
Speaker 1: house and before law enforcement or supervised release officials know
37:51
Speaker 1: that you're missing or you're gone. You've got sometimes eight
37:56
Speaker 1: twelve twenty four hour head start. I can get to
37:59
Speaker 1: Europe eight and a half from Miami. See Chris, and
38:03
Speaker 1: I have seen so many times people get away, leave
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Speaker 1: the jurisdiction because they've been monitored by so called monitored
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Speaker 1: by an ankle monitor. Caitlin Becker. I'm almost afraid to ask,
38:15
Speaker 1: but where does the case stand right now? You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Before I get into that, I just wanted to flag
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Speaker 1: really quickly that this reminds me so much of another
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Speaker 1: case we've been talking about, Brian Walsh, who's accused of
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Speaker 1: killing his wife Anna while he was on house arrest
38:30
Speaker 1: with an ankle monitor. You know, my concern isn't as
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Speaker 1: much that he would flee, but that maybe he would
38:37
Speaker 1: allegedly try to finish the job he started. I mean,
38:41
Speaker 1: his wife have moved out and they're in an apartment,
38:44
Speaker 1: but he is out and about. He is under the
38:47
Speaker 1: terms of his release, he is not allowed to have
38:49
Speaker 1: contact with her, but people might not listen to that.
38:52
Speaker 1: So that's my concern. And right now he is out
38:56
Speaker 1: for those hours that he is allowed to be out,
38:58
Speaker 1: and a jury trial is scheduled to begin on October
39:02
Speaker 1: twenty three. Yeah, you brought up a great example of
39:06
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh. Anna Walsh's body still has not been found.
39:11
Speaker 1: She Ley's behind three little boys. He was on an
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Speaker 1: ankle monitor, and what a great alibi. Look, my ankle
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Speaker 1: monitor was at home the whole time. I couldn't possibly
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Speaker 1: have done it. We wait as just as unfolds Nancy
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Speaker 1: Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,